March 23, 2025 • 21 mins
On the show today the first trailer for Dakota Johnson and Pedro Pascal’s new movie has been released and is this the return of the high quality rom-com?
Plus, naked dresses have been a staple on the red carpet for years, but now a new trend is threatening to overthrow them. So now we need to have a chat about the rise of butt cleavage.
And actress Jaime King is in the headlines thanks to an ugly public divorce and custody battle which has seen her lose access to her children. Now her longtime friend and godmother to her youngest son, Taylor Swift, has been pulled into the story.
THE END BITS
The Spill podcast is on Instagram here.
Listen:
A Brutally Honest Review Of The Movie That Swept The Oscars
The Best, Worst And Most Scandalous Moments From The Oscars Red Carpet
Em Vernem is co-hosting a new Mamamia podcast. BIZ is rewriting the rules of work with no zero generic advice - just real strategies from women who've actually been there. Listen here.
Subscribe to The Spill Newsletter by clicking here.
Subscribe to Mamamia
GET IN TOUCH:
Do you have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss on The Spill? Send us a voice message, or send us an email thespill@mamamia.com.au and we'll come back to you ASAP!
WANT MORE?
If you’re looking for something else to listen to why not check out our hilarious and seriously unhelpful podcast The Baby Bubble hosted by Clare and Jessie Stephens.
Or click here to listen to the hosts of Mamamia Out Loud open up about creativity and how they stay inspired.
Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia... here.
CREDITS
Hosts: Laura Brodnik & Em Vernem
Executive Producer: Ned Green
Audio Producer: Scott Stronach
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura
Brodnick and today I'm joined by Hi Am.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cassemuel Lukid, and I'm filling in for them again.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I love we have guests on the show now. I've
just like handballed doing your own introduction. I'm like, you
say your name, say who you are. But I feel
like it gives it. You know, you know what I can.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I can manage it.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I got this. Well, you're here for a very exciting day.
But cleavage is going to come up. That's a topic
we're doing yeah along with Yeah, Yeah exactly, So stay
tuned for that guy is breaking news and also a
very scandalous and heartbreaking story that's unfolding in Hollywood right
now to do with a well known actress and a
custody disputant, some legal issues, and of course Taylor Swift
(01:03):
has been pulled into the whole thing. So we're going
to talk about why those headlines are everywhere. But first,
some fun movie news because the world has felt a
bit bleak lately, even in celebrity news. Usually like our
Little go to to have some escapism, but a lot
of the headlines have been very bleak. So I went
looking for some happy news.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, hence the butt clovy Yeah exactly, like lighten up
our lives a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Exactly. This can be all escaped from your real world problems.
So another piece of escapism is that in the last
couple of days, the very first trailer for the new
film Materialists was released. Now, why this was exciting is
that it's a new rongcom starring Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans,
and Pedro Pascal, and it's looking like it might be
(01:45):
a new and modern classic. Hey are you single? I'm
a matchmaker. Give me a call if you want to
meet somebody.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I deserve someone who fulfills all of my criteria.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Nothing over twenty PM.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I don't want someone who likes cats.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm trying to settle.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I promise you're going to marry the love of your life.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Do you want to drink sure coping deer?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Hey by too?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Definitely didn next spoken about it to you missed?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, you don't even remember my face the eternal Bachelora.
You can do better than me.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
My instincts's usually right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Now, Okay, wow, you know how to do the math,
don't you. You are what we call a uniquar, an
impossible fantasy. I absolutely love Pedro Pascal, Like he could
just like read the phone book to me and I'd
beat to it. Like he's got such a beautiful energy
(02:43):
and he's just seeing so great. It's almost like a
modern day Hitch.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah. So Jakota Johnson's playing a matchmaker and she's very
much torn between Chris Evans' character, who is not good
on paper, like doesn't have a lot of money, doesn't
have his life together, lives with roommates, and then Pedro Pascal.
I feel like this is how most people imagine they
would be romanced by Pedro Pascal, That he's this very rich,
worldly guy who kind of sweep you of your feet,
(03:08):
but he's also really kind. It's like someone fan fiction
about him.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, and this is the thing, I mean, everybody, we're
all very into smut fiction as particularly women. Women want
to be female smut at the moment is about a
man being really, really attentive to them.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, exactly. It's such a rise in that. And I
also feel like sex and romance has really disappeared, especially
from movies like I mean, it bubbles up every soft
and that's why people lose their minds over like a
Baby Girl or something like that. But in terms of
like rom comms and romance movies, because they don't get
released on like big cinema releases anymore, we don't have them,
(03:43):
and I feel like that's why this movie, which on
paper shouldn't be that exciting, except that it's got three
leads that we're very invested in. It's directed by Selene's
song who did Past Lives, which is one of my
favorite movies from the last couple of years. So it's
really interesting to see someone who has that strong of
a knack for storytelling taking on this. But I think,
like we're just so desperate for a love story, you
(04:05):
know what.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think it's also nice escapism. There's a lot of like,
you know, discourse around being like trashy and whatever, but
escapism is the way that we make ourselves feel a
little bit better.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You know, this is why these rom coms are so successful.
The other day, I was rewatching thirty Rock You oh yeah. Yeah.
In one of the episodes they do and channel, which
is basically it's female porn. I'm meeting inverted commas here,
and it's basically just a man being like, hey, you
look great today, how is your day?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And exactly what women want to hear, so simple, like.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That's what women want to hear, so like it's crazy
that that's kind of what women are just so desperate for.
But yeah, I mean, look, I love it. I love
a rom com, I love an easy watch. We don't
all have to be going for oscars, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But I think that's the interesting thing about this is
that a lot of the rom coms that have come
out the last couple of years have been those slightly trashier,
straight to streaming ones. Nothing against them. I think they
should make more of them so we have a fresh
one to watch every weekend. But this feels like that
return to like a highbrow rom com in the best
possible way, you know, like back in the day sense
of I want to say this, back in the day
when you had like a You've Got Mail or something
(05:14):
like that coming out, or even like How to Lose
a Guy in Ten Days or any movie with Adam
Sandler and Drew barrymore together. It's like they were rom
coms and the story was a bit silly, but they
had a list cast, a list directors, huge budget, best scriptwriters.
Like they threw everything at it like they would throw
at an Oscar movie. And I feel like that's almost
like a little bit what they've done here, Like Dakota Johnson,
(05:36):
Like obviously Madame Wad was a bit of a bomb,
but she's her career is bigger than that, like you know,
Aless leading Lady, Pedro Pascal, like you know, leading man
of the moment, Chris Evans coming in playing this role
off the back of playing Captain America for so many years.
Sleen Song directing who has is like critically acclaimed. It's
like they're throwing everything at it for it to be
that old school, highbrow rom com, which I love.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I'm really excited to see Pedro Pascal in this like
romantic comedy.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I feel like he's played a lot of really great characters,
but not a leading man rom com and I yeah, clearly,
And people.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Have never talked about his own relationships, so we don't
know anything about who he dates. He's like a man
of mystery.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I love it so that one is coming to cinemas
June twelfth. Get excited. I'm excited for the return of
the high brow romcom. That's all I want.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Love it. Now, moving on to something even more exciting
and obviously very very important to talk about, it's the
return of butt cleavage.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Thank god. I've been waiting for it to come.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I know, it's like, you know, sitting there waiting for
the stocks to come up, and we've got butt cloage.
But look, this kind of drend has been floating around
for a while now, but it's kind of had another resurgence,
and particularly with Zoe Kravitz at the twenty twenty five
Fanity Fair Oscars party. Now, she was wearing this beautiful
black dress by a designer called Vassarello, and in the
(06:57):
back there was a sheer panel revealing her bottom and
it's a very nice bottom.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Oh yeah, as far as like buck cleavage goes, that's
you know, very highbrow. Ten out of ten.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Now it's funny because I feel like a lot of
people are like really shocked by this and like, oh
goodness me, you know, where's the modesty. But it's like
I feel like we've seen everything else, ya, so what
else can we do? But I feel like the way
that Zoe did it, it still was very taste.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
For yes, because it had that sheer paneling and across
it that was so interesting out of all the Vanity
Fair dresses. And look, the Oscars dresses were nice this year,
but you know, everyone's wanting to be quite traditional and
quite respectful, and so all of the Oscar dresses for
the actual ceremony are not showing a lot of butck cleavage,
let's say, very kind of demure looking. And then at
the Vanity Fair party, that's where everyone who was pretty
(07:45):
much not invited to the Oscars can wear their full
party dresses. And especially this year was a sea of
very naked dresses, a lot of lace, a lot of
like sea through even like the underwear being see through,
even like Julia Fox with her breasts out with like
a little bit of fake hair covering it. And I
think there were so many naked dresses that they just
became a sea of sameness. So none of them except
(08:06):
for Julia Fox because I had the hair, but even
that people saw it were like, oh, yeah, that's not
really anything. And then Zoe Kravitz got all the headlines
just for a little peak of butt cleavage. Even though
she was more covered up than the other women, she
was still seen as more scandalous, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And it's interesting and look, this isn't the first time
we've seen this in the red carpet met Gala. You know,
we've seen Bella had did in these like sheer pieces,
Katie Perry, Heidi Klum did it back in two thousand
and seven. Yea the Victoria's Secret Fashion show where she
had the super low back that kind of showed her bottom.
And like even you know, early two thousand it's like
we're both millennials. We remember the Betina Leano bumpster jean,
(08:43):
Like you had to shave to put those jeans on.
Like it was low, low, low. So it's not necessarily
a new trend, but it is interesting how fashion has
How can we push it. What's the next level of exposure?
You know, you've got your side boob, you've got a
(09:04):
thigh gap, you've got but you've got a shoulder blade
or whatever it is. It's really interesting how these fashion
trends are like just pushing a little bit further a
little bit further, like what can we get away with?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, exactly, it's so interesting. I thought we were going
to kind of boomerang back to more kind of covered
up dresses because we went too far with the naked dress.
But I think like that just doesn't get headlines for people.
And that's a lot about what your red carpet look
is about. Like a whole team of people is involved
in pulling your look together, and the way they measure
that success is by getting all those headlines and getting
your photo out there. So a covered up dress, even
(09:39):
though you would look very different, is not going to
do it. So I think like buck cleavage is the
next one to be pulled out. But it's I mean,
a fizoe. I think there was just something about the mesh,
and because it's her and she's won much more naked
dresses than that. That Joshi watered the Mtgullor a few
years ago, and it was all beads and crystals, completely
see through, and that was seen as the most iconic dress,
especially because those were the first photos of her and
(10:00):
chatting Tatum walking out hand in hand, So that became
a very iconic dress. But this one got headlines for
being more scandalous even though you're only seeing like a
bit of butt cleavage.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think as well, who she is, she can really
pull it off because she's so cool.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know what I mean, Like she's just got anything
she wears.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
She has such a great vibe about her that that
it kind of transcends it being trashy.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, where someone really did it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Quite I actually think it looks really tasteful. I know
that that's maybe a little bit controversial.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Now I thould look tasteful too. I wonder if because
it was the mesh across it, which just made it
that little bit more classic.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, and look we're saying this on runways as well.
You know Milan Fashion Week there was these super low
cut genes in men's where you know, the bottom was
hanging out, and I don't know if they went to
the local plumber and asked if there.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Was Isn't it weird? Like buck cleavage on a woman sexy,
but cleavage on a man even like I'm even like
on a red carpet of runway or something about it
just doesn't seem as I the hair maybe or maybe
because you just kind of see it around more often.
It's become, like you said, the plumbers, it's like become
synonymous with like not being a sexy treind but with
a woman. I don't know. I'm happy for the women
to have this one. By the way, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Look also, I don't know if I be able to
pull it out.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I yeah, I'm not saying that's not a trend. I'm
going to go for cleavage I can get behind. Obviously
it's unavoidable. Toe cleavage less exciting, but I like when
that makes a little bit of comeback. Butck cleavage not
so much. But at the moment, though, like we're still
seeing it in the traditional places like after parties, runways.
I think it'll become more mainstream or I'll be more
impressed when someone does it the Oscars, and I don't
(11:33):
think anyone's going to do it, Like Charlie's Throwing came
very close in the nineties with that orange dress, but
her very first it was completely backless and it just
stopped above butck cleavage. Yeah, and I think that's the closest.
Hilary Swank has kind of like flirted the idea with
all her backless dresses, but no one's want the Oscars
and I just think that's when it'll be weeen.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It'll be really mainstream when we see it down at Westfield. Yeah, exactly,
and it's not some guy bending over fixing a sink exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So I feel like when you hear the name Jamie King,
you either immediately know who she is and you're obsessed
with her and you've been watching her on screen for
twenty years, or you're not quite sure and you have
to google her name. I'm not sure which KMG fall into.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I fall into the I know who she is, but
I haven't like really followed her career. So I'm actually
not either of those.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Sorry, Oh that's all right, you know one or the other.
So I'm a bit of a Jamie King super fan.
So she start off as a model. She's been on
our screens for over twenty years. A lot of people
would know her from White Chicks, especially because that has
had a huge resurgence in the last couple of years.
Some people would know her from Cheaper by the Dozen two,
She'd a lot of Disney things.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Someone City, you know that movie.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, I loved her in Sin City.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
She's beautiful, blonde like stunning.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes, has done some zombie TV shows Black Summer, but
I think most people would know her from her most
iconic role, which is playing Lemon Brieland on Heart of Dixie.
So Heart of Dixie is a comedy that starred Rachel Bilson.
It was from the same team that made the OC.
It was on TV for many, many years. It's on
stand now and a lot of people watch it over
and over again as a comfort show. And her character,
(13:09):
Lemon Brielan start is kind of the villain of the
bell of this little town, and then over time just becomes, like,
I don't say this lightly, one of the most interesting
TV characters I've ever seen. She becomes the hero of
the show. She becomes definitely the most beloved character, which
when you're starring across from Rachel Bilson, is very hard
to do. Jamie King's also been known for many years
(13:29):
as a staple on a lot of red carpets at events.
She's one of those ones that every celebrity just seems
to be very good friends with and just someone that
I think a lot of us have grown up with.
So that's why it's been very difficult in the last
couple of months to see all of these very negative
headlines around her. So it was back in May twenty
twenty that she filed for divorce from her husband, Kyl Newman,
(13:50):
and that court case has been going back and forth
over the last couple of years. It pops up every
soft and making headlines. But it just seems like one
of those not normal but one of those run of
the male custody disputes in hollywoods where a couple are
separated and all of their court documents are being made public.
But in the last week or so, things have really
escalated because Jamie King had her two son James and Leo,
(14:11):
who were eleven and nine, removed from her custody and
custody was given to her ex husband, Carl Newman, And
this was because there's been a lot of allegations from
him and through the court that she has an alcohol problem,
a drug problem, and that she didn't complete a drug
rehabilitation program that she was meant to. And as a
result of that, she's had her kids removed from her custody.
(14:34):
She's only allowed to supervise visits with them, and it's
really escalated into this very messy Hollywood story.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, and look, I mean we've seen this time and
time again where you know, celebrities are battling with drug
and alcohol addiction. It almost gets to this, you know,
favor pitch point where they can't hide it anymore, and
it's actually really really tragic, and I feel like this
poor woman has obviously got some issues. She's now lost custody.
(15:02):
She's actually having some financial problems as well. So one
of the big things has been the fact that she's
having a lot of financial difficulty. She was renting a
tenth thousand dollars a month property in Los Angeles and
unfortunately devaulted on her rent and according to court documents,
now owes the landlord up to forty thousand dollars in
(15:22):
back pay, which is really really challenging. She's now been
evicted from the property. She's left. I think there's a
case going on. She's saying that she will pay it back,
but you know, losing custody of her kids and now
losing her home, things are not going so great for
Jamie King right now.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, exactly. This has all been made public, so where
people have been really following along with all the granular
little details that are coming out and the accusations against
her about like not looking after her kids properly and
having to have supervised visits with them, and allegations about
her dependency on drugs and alcohol. But then she's made
allegations against Carl Newman and her husband, saying that he's
(16:01):
been very manipulative through their marriage and was abusive towards her.
And then she's also made accusations that her career has
stalled because of him. So there's like the court documents
when she was working on Black Summer, which was a
TV show that like took off and was quite popular
but has kind of stalled in production since then, and
she's saying that he would call the producers late at
(16:21):
night demanding information about her. So it's all become very messy,
and I think there's a few reasons that people are
really gravitating towards the story, and one of them is that,
like as I said, Jamie King is like someone who's
been on ice screens for a really long time, a
really prominent figure. She also has a big social media
presence and you know, for better or worse, used to
post her kids a lot and talk a lot about motherhood,
(16:43):
so like they were very much a part of her story.
So I think people are really fascinated by that. But
also it's like this kind of I guess not everyone's
like reveling in it, but some people, theory of the
comments are kind of like maybe more fascinated by the
story because it's a mother who's had her kids removed
from her, and because the custody has gone to the father.
There's this weird fascination with this story being on the
(17:06):
mother instead of the father, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think because so many of the stories that we
do here are of these you know, absent fathers, you know,
so when it goes the other way around, people are
just like, oh, what a terrible mother, how could she
do that? You know, I'm not going to pass judgment
on her mental health issues, but can you tell us
what the connection with Taylor Swift is?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yes, so Taylor Stift's name is now on all the headlines,
which I mean, I don't love, but I understand. So, like,
if you see these stories continually getting like new articles
we posted and lots of social around it, it's because
like outlets don't do that because they have a vested
interest in it, Like everyone must be clicking on it,
they must be commenting their time on site to read
these articles must be a lot. So now they're looking
(17:51):
for all the other different angles. And the big angle
here is that Taylor Swift and Jamie King has been
very close friends for a long time, and more so
than just like Jamie King being in Taylor Swift's girl
squad at the time.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, she's the godmother to her day, Taylor Swift is
the godmother to her child, Leo Thames.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, like the river, Yeah yeah, yeah. So for a
long time they were always pictured together. There was always
pictures of like Taylor Swift staying over at Jamie King's house.
They were like, you know, very close best friends. Kyl
Newman when he was married to Jamie King directed i
think was her style music video. So they were like
in this creative collaboration together. And then when Leo was born,
(18:31):
she became the godmother, and so it's very kind of intertwined.
And I think he had a lot of health problems
with his heart when he was young, and there was
all these stories of Taylor Swift donating all this money
to the hospital who had looked after him, all of
these kind of lovely stories. And now the story out
there is that because of what's happened that Taylor's just
like taken aside and she won't talk to Jamie King anymore,
(18:53):
which obviously neither of them, I should say, like Jamie
King hasn't commented on this publicly at all. All this
information that we know about their finances and their life
and their kids and everything are just caught documents to
be made public, and so neither Taylor or Jamie King
have commented on it. But now the story has become
that their friendship has fallen apart, and I understand it's
(19:13):
a hard one for them to comment on, Like what
is Taylor Swift meant to do? Come out and say,
I'm sorry my friend has lost custody of her kids,
but we're still friends, Like there's no way for her
to comment on it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, I mean, it's just like Blake Lively all over again,
isn't it, Paul Taylor Swift's kids getting dragged into all.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The Yeah, I understand that does make it juicier, though
it's yeah, exactly the same with the Blake Lively headlines,
Like it's much more interesting when you have Taylor Swift
woven in. But the interesting thing about the Blake Lively
thing is like her name is in those court documents
because she was present when some of the events happened,
But as far as we know, her and Jamie King
haven't been pitched together in years.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So yeah, apparently there has been a lot of sort
of gossip around the fact that they've been they've distanced,
they don't really speak anymore. You know. Look, relationships change,
like that's really normal. But obviously she's having a really
tough time and hopefully she can kind of get back
on I think.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing for someone who's been in
this industry for over twenty years, is there's also a
lot of chat that before this, she was trying to
get a lot of different projects off the ground as
a producer and attaching herself as the lead actress. And
now there's a lot of chat that because of this,
she's kind of done in Hollywood and studios won't work
with her and other actors don't want to work with her,
which again not knowing the context of what's happening in
(20:23):
this family, but there's a lot of other people who
have done just as bad things who are still very
embraced by Hollywood, like Brad Pitt, like his kids won't
speak to him. They've gone on the record, like he
also had similar court supervised visits and custody issues and
allegations of abuse, and that went on for years and
years and years, and he's still very much like embraced
(20:44):
by Hollywood and is still like one of the most
bankable leading men. So it's just interesting that double standard of.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
How he's a man.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, exactly. So it's like for a woman, like there's
just a lot more punishment. So that's all we know now.
I'm sure more information will continue to come out, but
it's just a very sad story to read.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Should we go back to Buck Clavid?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah? Love that. Well, thank you very much for listening
to The Spill today, and thank you Kasanya for joining
us for what was a real rollercoaster of topics today.
Love it. Hello, and please don't forget to leave us
a review on Apple or Spotify. We read all of them,
so let us know if there's anything that you'd like
to see on the show. The Spill is produced by
Ned Green with sound production by Scott Stronik and we'll
(21:23):
see you back here on your podcast feed at three
pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Bye see ya.
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura
Brodnick and today I'm joined by Hi Am.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cassemuel Lukid, and I'm filling in for them again.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I love we have guests on the show now. I've
just like handballed doing your own introduction. I'm like, you
say your name, say who you are. But I feel
like it gives it. You know, you know what I can.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I can manage it.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I got this. Well, you're here for a very exciting day.
But cleavage is going to come up. That's a topic
we're doing yeah along with Yeah, Yeah exactly, So stay
tuned for that guy is breaking news and also a
very scandalous and heartbreaking story that's unfolding in Hollywood right
now to do with a well known actress and a
custody disputant, some legal issues, and of course Taylor Swift
(01:03):
has been pulled into the whole thing. So we're going
to talk about why those headlines are everywhere. But first,
some fun movie news because the world has felt a
bit bleak lately, even in celebrity news. Usually like our
Little go to to have some escapism, but a lot
of the headlines have been very bleak. So I went
looking for some happy news.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, hence the butt clovy Yeah exactly, like lighten up
our lives a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Exactly. This can be all escaped from your real world problems.
So another piece of escapism is that in the last
couple of days, the very first trailer for the new
film Materialists was released. Now, why this was exciting is
that it's a new rongcom starring Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans,
and Pedro Pascal, and it's looking like it might be
(01:45):
a new and modern classic. Hey are you single? I'm
a matchmaker. Give me a call if you want to
meet somebody.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I deserve someone who fulfills all of my criteria.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Nothing over twenty PM.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I don't want someone who likes cats.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm trying to settle.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I promise you're going to marry the love of your life.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Do you want to drink sure coping deer?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Hey by too?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Definitely didn next spoken about it to you missed?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, you don't even remember my face the eternal Bachelora.
You can do better than me.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
My instincts's usually right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Now, Okay, wow, you know how to do the math,
don't you. You are what we call a uniquar, an
impossible fantasy. I absolutely love Pedro Pascal, Like he could
just like read the phone book to me and I'd
beat to it. Like he's got such a beautiful energy
(02:43):
and he's just seeing so great. It's almost like a
modern day Hitch.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah. So Jakota Johnson's playing a matchmaker and she's very
much torn between Chris Evans' character, who is not good
on paper, like doesn't have a lot of money, doesn't
have his life together, lives with roommates, and then Pedro Pascal.
I feel like this is how most people imagine they
would be romanced by Pedro Pascal, That he's this very rich,
worldly guy who kind of sweep you of your feet,
(03:08):
but he's also really kind. It's like someone fan fiction
about him.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, and this is the thing, I mean, everybody, we're
all very into smut fiction as particularly women. Women want
to be female smut at the moment is about a
man being really, really attentive to them.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, exactly. It's such a rise in that. And I
also feel like sex and romance has really disappeared, especially
from movies like I mean, it bubbles up every soft
and that's why people lose their minds over like a
Baby Girl or something like that. But in terms of
like rom comms and romance movies, because they don't get
released on like big cinema releases anymore, we don't have them,
(03:43):
and I feel like that's why this movie, which on
paper shouldn't be that exciting, except that it's got three
leads that we're very invested in. It's directed by Selene's
song who did Past Lives, which is one of my
favorite movies from the last couple of years. So it's
really interesting to see someone who has that strong of
a knack for storytelling taking on this. But I think,
like we're just so desperate for a love story, you
(04:05):
know what.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think it's also nice escapism. There's a lot of like,
you know, discourse around being like trashy and whatever, but
escapism is the way that we make ourselves feel a
little bit better.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You know, this is why these rom coms are so successful.
The other day, I was rewatching thirty Rock You oh yeah. Yeah.
In one of the episodes they do and channel, which
is basically it's female porn. I'm meeting inverted commas here,
and it's basically just a man being like, hey, you
look great today, how is your day?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And exactly what women want to hear, so simple, like.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That's what women want to hear, so like it's crazy
that that's kind of what women are just so desperate for.
But yeah, I mean, look, I love it. I love
a rom com, I love an easy watch. We don't
all have to be going for oscars, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But I think that's the interesting thing about this is
that a lot of the rom coms that have come
out the last couple of years have been those slightly trashier,
straight to streaming ones. Nothing against them. I think they
should make more of them so we have a fresh
one to watch every weekend. But this feels like that
return to like a highbrow rom com in the best
possible way, you know, like back in the day sense
of I want to say this, back in the day
when you had like a You've Got Mail or something
(05:14):
like that coming out, or even like How to Lose
a Guy in Ten Days or any movie with Adam
Sandler and Drew barrymore together. It's like they were rom
coms and the story was a bit silly, but they
had a list cast, a list directors, huge budget, best scriptwriters.
Like they threw everything at it like they would throw
at an Oscar movie. And I feel like that's almost
like a little bit what they've done here, Like Dakota Johnson,
(05:36):
Like obviously Madame Wad was a bit of a bomb,
but she's her career is bigger than that, like you know,
Aless leading Lady, Pedro Pascal, like you know, leading man
of the moment, Chris Evans coming in playing this role
off the back of playing Captain America for so many years.
Sleen Song directing who has is like critically acclaimed. It's
like they're throwing everything at it for it to be
that old school, highbrow rom com, which I love.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I'm really excited to see Pedro Pascal in this like
romantic comedy.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I feel like he's played a lot of really great characters,
but not a leading man rom com and I yeah, clearly,
And people.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Have never talked about his own relationships, so we don't
know anything about who he dates. He's like a man
of mystery.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I love it so that one is coming to cinemas
June twelfth. Get excited. I'm excited for the return of
the high brow romcom. That's all I want.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Love it. Now, moving on to something even more exciting
and obviously very very important to talk about, it's the
return of butt cleavage.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Thank god. I've been waiting for it to come.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I know, it's like, you know, sitting there waiting for
the stocks to come up, and we've got butt cloage.
But look, this kind of drend has been floating around
for a while now, but it's kind of had another resurgence,
and particularly with Zoe Kravitz at the twenty twenty five
Fanity Fair Oscars party. Now, she was wearing this beautiful
black dress by a designer called Vassarello, and in the
(06:57):
back there was a sheer panel revealing her bottom and
it's a very nice bottom.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Oh yeah, as far as like buck cleavage goes, that's
you know, very highbrow. Ten out of ten.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Now it's funny because I feel like a lot of
people are like really shocked by this and like, oh
goodness me, you know, where's the modesty. But it's like
I feel like we've seen everything else, ya, so what
else can we do? But I feel like the way
that Zoe did it, it still was very taste.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
For yes, because it had that sheer paneling and across
it that was so interesting out of all the Vanity
Fair dresses. And look, the Oscars dresses were nice this year,
but you know, everyone's wanting to be quite traditional and
quite respectful, and so all of the Oscar dresses for
the actual ceremony are not showing a lot of butck cleavage,
let's say, very kind of demure looking. And then at
the Vanity Fair party, that's where everyone who was pretty
(07:45):
much not invited to the Oscars can wear their full
party dresses. And especially this year was a sea of
very naked dresses, a lot of lace, a lot of
like sea through even like the underwear being see through,
even like Julia Fox with her breasts out with like
a little bit of fake hair covering it. And I
think there were so many naked dresses that they just
became a sea of sameness. So none of them except
(08:06):
for Julia Fox because I had the hair, but even
that people saw it were like, oh, yeah, that's not
really anything. And then Zoe Kravitz got all the headlines
just for a little peak of butt cleavage. Even though
she was more covered up than the other women, she
was still seen as more scandalous, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And it's interesting and look, this isn't the first time
we've seen this in the red carpet met Gala. You know,
we've seen Bella had did in these like sheer pieces,
Katie Perry, Heidi Klum did it back in two thousand
and seven. Yea the Victoria's Secret Fashion show where she
had the super low back that kind of showed her bottom.
And like even you know, early two thousand it's like
we're both millennials. We remember the Betina Leano bumpster jean,
(08:43):
Like you had to shave to put those jeans on.
Like it was low, low, low. So it's not necessarily
a new trend, but it is interesting how fashion has
How can we push it. What's the next level of exposure?
You know, you've got your side boob, you've got a
(09:04):
thigh gap, you've got but you've got a shoulder blade
or whatever it is. It's really interesting how these fashion
trends are like just pushing a little bit further a
little bit further, like what can we get away with?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, exactly, it's so interesting. I thought we were going
to kind of boomerang back to more kind of covered
up dresses because we went too far with the naked dress.
But I think like that just doesn't get headlines for people.
And that's a lot about what your red carpet look
is about. Like a whole team of people is involved
in pulling your look together, and the way they measure
that success is by getting all those headlines and getting
your photo out there. So a covered up dress, even
(09:39):
though you would look very different, is not going to
do it. So I think like buck cleavage is the
next one to be pulled out. But it's I mean,
a fizoe. I think there was just something about the mesh,
and because it's her and she's won much more naked
dresses than that. That Joshi watered the Mtgullor a few
years ago, and it was all beads and crystals, completely
see through, and that was seen as the most iconic dress,
especially because those were the first photos of her and
(10:00):
chatting Tatum walking out hand in hand, So that became
a very iconic dress. But this one got headlines for
being more scandalous even though you're only seeing like a
bit of butt cleavage.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think as well, who she is, she can really
pull it off because she's so cool.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know what I mean, Like she's just got anything
she wears.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
She has such a great vibe about her that that
it kind of transcends it being trashy.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, where someone really did it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Quite I actually think it looks really tasteful. I know
that that's maybe a little bit controversial.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Now I thould look tasteful too. I wonder if because
it was the mesh across it, which just made it
that little bit more classic.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, and look we're saying this on runways as well.
You know Milan Fashion Week there was these super low
cut genes in men's where you know, the bottom was
hanging out, and I don't know if they went to
the local plumber and asked if there.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Was Isn't it weird? Like buck cleavage on a woman sexy,
but cleavage on a man even like I'm even like
on a red carpet of runway or something about it
just doesn't seem as I the hair maybe or maybe
because you just kind of see it around more often.
It's become, like you said, the plumbers, it's like become
synonymous with like not being a sexy treind but with
a woman. I don't know. I'm happy for the women
to have this one. By the way, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Look also, I don't know if I be able to
pull it out.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I yeah, I'm not saying that's not a trend. I'm
going to go for cleavage I can get behind. Obviously
it's unavoidable. Toe cleavage less exciting, but I like when
that makes a little bit of comeback. Butck cleavage not
so much. But at the moment, though, like we're still
seeing it in the traditional places like after parties, runways.
I think it'll become more mainstream or I'll be more
impressed when someone does it the Oscars, and I don't
(11:33):
think anyone's going to do it, Like Charlie's Throwing came
very close in the nineties with that orange dress, but
her very first it was completely backless and it just
stopped above butck cleavage. Yeah, and I think that's the closest.
Hilary Swank has kind of like flirted the idea with
all her backless dresses, but no one's want the Oscars
and I just think that's when it'll be weeen.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It'll be really mainstream when we see it down at Westfield. Yeah, exactly,
and it's not some guy bending over fixing a sink exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So I feel like when you hear the name Jamie King,
you either immediately know who she is and you're obsessed
with her and you've been watching her on screen for
twenty years, or you're not quite sure and you have
to google her name. I'm not sure which KMG fall into.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I fall into the I know who she is, but
I haven't like really followed her career. So I'm actually
not either of those.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Sorry, Oh that's all right, you know one or the other.
So I'm a bit of a Jamie King super fan.
So she start off as a model. She's been on
our screens for over twenty years. A lot of people
would know her from White Chicks, especially because that has
had a huge resurgence in the last couple of years.
Some people would know her from Cheaper by the Dozen two,
She'd a lot of Disney things.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Someone City, you know that movie.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, I loved her in Sin City.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
She's beautiful, blonde like stunning.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes, has done some zombie TV shows Black Summer, but
I think most people would know her from her most
iconic role, which is playing Lemon Brieland on Heart of Dixie.
So Heart of Dixie is a comedy that starred Rachel Bilson.
It was from the same team that made the OC.
It was on TV for many, many years. It's on
stand now and a lot of people watch it over
and over again as a comfort show. And her character,
(13:09):
Lemon Brielan start is kind of the villain of the
bell of this little town, and then over time just becomes, like,
I don't say this lightly, one of the most interesting
TV characters I've ever seen. She becomes the hero of
the show. She becomes definitely the most beloved character, which
when you're starring across from Rachel Bilson, is very hard
to do. Jamie King's also been known for many years
(13:29):
as a staple on a lot of red carpets at events.
She's one of those ones that every celebrity just seems
to be very good friends with and just someone that
I think a lot of us have grown up with.
So that's why it's been very difficult in the last
couple of months to see all of these very negative
headlines around her. So it was back in May twenty
twenty that she filed for divorce from her husband, Kyl Newman,
(13:50):
and that court case has been going back and forth
over the last couple of years. It pops up every
soft and making headlines. But it just seems like one
of those not normal but one of those run of
the male custody disputes in hollywoods where a couple are
separated and all of their court documents are being made public.
But in the last week or so, things have really
escalated because Jamie King had her two son James and Leo,
(14:11):
who were eleven and nine, removed from her custody and
custody was given to her ex husband, Carl Newman, And
this was because there's been a lot of allegations from
him and through the court that she has an alcohol problem,
a drug problem, and that she didn't complete a drug
rehabilitation program that she was meant to. And as a
result of that, she's had her kids removed from her custody.
(14:34):
She's only allowed to supervise visits with them, and it's
really escalated into this very messy Hollywood story.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, and look, I mean we've seen this time and
time again where you know, celebrities are battling with drug
and alcohol addiction. It almost gets to this, you know,
favor pitch point where they can't hide it anymore, and
it's actually really really tragic, and I feel like this
poor woman has obviously got some issues. She's now lost custody.
(15:02):
She's actually having some financial problems as well. So one
of the big things has been the fact that she's
having a lot of financial difficulty. She was renting a
tenth thousand dollars a month property in Los Angeles and
unfortunately devaulted on her rent and according to court documents,
now owes the landlord up to forty thousand dollars in
(15:22):
back pay, which is really really challenging. She's now been
evicted from the property. She's left. I think there's a
case going on. She's saying that she will pay it back,
but you know, losing custody of her kids and now
losing her home, things are not going so great for
Jamie King right now.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, exactly. This has all been made public, so where
people have been really following along with all the granular
little details that are coming out and the accusations against
her about like not looking after her kids properly and
having to have supervised visits with them, and allegations about
her dependency on drugs and alcohol. But then she's made
allegations against Carl Newman and her husband, saying that he's
(16:01):
been very manipulative through their marriage and was abusive towards her.
And then she's also made accusations that her career has
stalled because of him. So there's like the court documents
when she was working on Black Summer, which was a
TV show that like took off and was quite popular
but has kind of stalled in production since then, and
she's saying that he would call the producers late at
(16:21):
night demanding information about her. So it's all become very messy,
and I think there's a few reasons that people are
really gravitating towards the story, and one of them is that,
like as I said, Jamie King is like someone who's
been on ice screens for a really long time, a
really prominent figure. She also has a big social media
presence and you know, for better or worse, used to
post her kids a lot and talk a lot about motherhood,
(16:43):
so like they were very much a part of her story.
So I think people are really fascinated by that. But
also it's like this kind of I guess not everyone's
like reveling in it, but some people, theory of the
comments are kind of like maybe more fascinated by the
story because it's a mother who's had her kids removed
from her, and because the custody has gone to the father.
There's this weird fascination with this story being on the
(17:06):
mother instead of the father, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think because so many of the stories that we
do here are of these you know, absent fathers, you know,
so when it goes the other way around, people are
just like, oh, what a terrible mother, how could she
do that? You know, I'm not going to pass judgment
on her mental health issues, but can you tell us
what the connection with Taylor Swift is?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yes, so Taylor Stift's name is now on all the headlines,
which I mean, I don't love, but I understand. So, like,
if you see these stories continually getting like new articles
we posted and lots of social around it, it's because
like outlets don't do that because they have a vested
interest in it, Like everyone must be clicking on it,
they must be commenting their time on site to read
these articles must be a lot. So now they're looking
(17:51):
for all the other different angles. And the big angle
here is that Taylor Swift and Jamie King has been
very close friends for a long time, and more so
than just like Jamie King being in Taylor Swift's girl
squad at the time.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, she's the godmother to her day, Taylor Swift is
the godmother to her child, Leo Thames.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, like the river, Yeah yeah, yeah. So for a
long time they were always pictured together. There was always
pictures of like Taylor Swift staying over at Jamie King's house.
They were like, you know, very close best friends. Kyl
Newman when he was married to Jamie King directed i
think was her style music video. So they were like
in this creative collaboration together. And then when Leo was born,
(18:31):
she became the godmother, and so it's very kind of intertwined.
And I think he had a lot of health problems
with his heart when he was young, and there was
all these stories of Taylor Swift donating all this money
to the hospital who had looked after him, all of
these kind of lovely stories. And now the story out
there is that because of what's happened that Taylor's just
like taken aside and she won't talk to Jamie King anymore,
(18:53):
which obviously neither of them, I should say, like Jamie
King hasn't commented on this publicly at all. All this
information that we know about their finances and their life
and their kids and everything are just caught documents to
be made public, and so neither Taylor or Jamie King
have commented on it. But now the story has become
that their friendship has fallen apart, and I understand it's
(19:13):
a hard one for them to comment on, Like what
is Taylor Swift meant to do? Come out and say,
I'm sorry my friend has lost custody of her kids,
but we're still friends, Like there's no way for her
to comment on it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, I mean, it's just like Blake Lively all over again,
isn't it, Paul Taylor Swift's kids getting dragged into all.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The Yeah, I understand that does make it juicier, though
it's yeah, exactly the same with the Blake Lively headlines,
Like it's much more interesting when you have Taylor Swift
woven in. But the interesting thing about the Blake Lively
thing is like her name is in those court documents
because she was present when some of the events happened,
But as far as we know, her and Jamie King
haven't been pitched together in years.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So yeah, apparently there has been a lot of sort
of gossip around the fact that they've been they've distanced,
they don't really speak anymore. You know. Look, relationships change,
like that's really normal. But obviously she's having a really
tough time and hopefully she can kind of get back
on I think.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing for someone who's been in
this industry for over twenty years, is there's also a
lot of chat that before this, she was trying to
get a lot of different projects off the ground as
a producer and attaching herself as the lead actress. And
now there's a lot of chat that because of this,
she's kind of done in Hollywood and studios won't work
with her and other actors don't want to work with her,
which again not knowing the context of what's happening in
(20:23):
this family, but there's a lot of other people who
have done just as bad things who are still very
embraced by Hollywood, like Brad Pitt, like his kids won't
speak to him. They've gone on the record, like he
also had similar court supervised visits and custody issues and
allegations of abuse, and that went on for years and
years and years, and he's still very much like embraced
(20:44):
by Hollywood and is still like one of the most
bankable leading men. So it's just interesting that double standard of.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
How he's a man.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, exactly. So it's like for a woman, like there's
just a lot more punishment. So that's all we know now.
I'm sure more information will continue to come out, but
it's just a very sad story to read.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Should we go back to Buck Clavid?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah? Love that. Well, thank you very much for listening
to The Spill today, and thank you Kasanya for joining
us for what was a real rollercoaster of topics today.
Love it. Hello, and please don't forget to leave us
a review on Apple or Spotify. We read all of them,
so let us know if there's anything that you'd like
to see on the show. The Spill is produced by
Ned Green with sound production by Scott Stronik and we'll
(21:23):
see you back here on your podcast feed at three
pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Bye see ya.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!