On the show today, Saturday Night Live had a slightly divisive musical guest on this week’s show, and Em Vernem has some brutal feedback for them.
And, just when you thought it was starting to die down, The White Lotus cast feud has erupted once again, except now there are three people involved.
Plus, Blake Lively has given her first interview since her legal battle with Justin Baldoni started making headlines and if you listen closely, there’s one comment that will completely change how you think about her.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia, Welcome to
the Spill your daily pop culture things. I'm Laura Brodnick
and I'm vernam M's back on the orange couch from per.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I feel like I'm going to get like a sprain
in my neck from turning like this.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, sometimes we're in a proper studio and sometimes we're
on a massive orange couch and I you can maybe
hear the different ergonomic Well, you look great. I told
you that's very pretty. As she came in, look am
I slash and as we know, being pretty is what matters. Yeah,
the only thing that matters. Per That's the only compliment
I want to give you anyway on the show today.
Oh my god, so much to talk about. I love when,
(01:00):
like over the weekend, when I'm just like saving one
hundred things in my notes app, I'm writing down things
that have the headline Tell Emily, I've got a thousand
screenshots in my phone. When there's lots of little new
things to pop up over the weekend, That's what I know.
A Monday show is going to be lit. This one's
very lit. So coming up on the show today, White
Lotus season three, we thought it was behind us. The
drama has escalated. No, get Ryan Murphy in here. This
(01:24):
is the next season he does that TV show about
fictionalized famous feuds. That's what we need for this. Plus,
Blake Lively has given her first proper sit down interview
since the whole legal situation blought with Justin Baldoni. We're
going to get into that. There's so much to say,
but first you have something you wanted to bring to
the table. I need, which I'm not super across. I'm
(01:45):
gonna listen here.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, I need to talk about a man who needs
to come back down to Earth Jesus physically.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I'm talking about Benson Boone. Oh God, please don't need
to become the Benson Boone defender on this podcasts the
third time I've had to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So Quintera Brunson had to host.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Dave had to. She was offered to post.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
SNL Saturday Night Live last week as in because fan
and so I discovered on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It wasn't that long ago. When you're like SML is
still relevant, and I was like, yeah, it's pretty still
relevant in a massive way. And ever since then weekly
you pitched Saturday Night live segments. Frostgen comes up once
a week for me.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So Quinter Brunson was the host and the musical guest
on was Benson Boone. Now, usually the host will be
standing in the crowd when it's the music person's turn,
they'll be standing in the crowd and they introduced the
guest and then the camera panned to the stage right
and then the guest does their performance. However, it was
a bit different. Quinna was standing on the stage, she
(02:48):
introduced Benson Boone and then.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
This man did a backflip over her.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And started serenading her on stage. So there's something about
men doing backflips and make me feel like they're not
trustworthy Jesus, because like, why do you have to be
up there for that long?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
What are you trying to hide? What are you trying
to prove?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I actually found an article on Vulture about his backflips.
The headline was how many flips had Benson booth?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Do you want s now?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And I have to read this lineup because it's so funny.
It said before Benson boone Saturday Night Live debut, there
was one question on everyone's mind.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Is that motherfucker going to do a flip again? He
has to? Now? Can you imagine if you went and
saw Benson Boone live and he didn't blackflip? I demand
my freaking money back.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
He did two all up though, So he did one
in the promo, yeah, and one on the actual performance.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That's the perfect amount if he'd gone for three too much, sir,
too much.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I actually looked up when he started flipping. Yeah, all
roads lead to can you guess who? No, Kody Perry?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh yes, because she was the one who did that
iconic line on well iconics all way to do it.
But it's become iconic because he gets played and played
and played because he was on American Idol when she
was a judge, right yea, And he came out and
he was he's so young, he looks like a different person.
He looks like a Toddlers. I'm not going to say
he's hot, but he came across very hot. And she
(04:13):
said that line or everyone's going to swoon for Benson Boone. Yeah,
it became like a thing. Well she wasn't wrong. It
was weird.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So it was like twenty twenty one when he did
his audition and she said that line and she said,
I see you winning American Idol if you want to,
And I feel like this is when he started figuring
out that he could flip, but he wasn't as confident
in the backflip.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So he used to do it. I can't believe I
know the history of Bens and Boone slipping. He used
to like do it in the backyard for his dad, right,
I don't know about that. I don't Why do I
know that information about life is not in my head?
That's weird that you know that I can't remember to
register my car, but I know I can remember the
facts of like where Benson Boone learned to flip. And
(04:55):
he learned to do it in his backyard and like
a trempoline.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
He started off with like a safety kind of well
like this is still beyond what most people can do,
but one of those like roundups, and then he actually
had his hands on the ground like a handstand flip, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Which is what he did.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
After the audition of American when Katy Perry said, I
see you winning American Idol if you want to so
you know how now he can just stand and backflip.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Before you had to like a run up, so it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Looked like he was running out of the room.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So terrified by Katie Perry. He was an early adopter.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was like a sprint and then he did like
the flip. So he did like a front flip and
then a back flip and then kind of like how
gymnasts do where they like stand straight after it expecting
a round of a place. So he stands up straight
and then just like gleams, he gleams at the judges or.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Two of our freaking backflip. Okay, here's the thing. Just
speak honestly. Now, when he's up on stage and he's
singing beautiful things and he hits that really high note
and he throws his head back and he backflips off
the piano. Are you telling me you don't find that attractive?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I find it attractive, but it's not something that I
would dwell on.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I just think it's so hot when every time it
never gets old for me. Like I when I hear
that song start and I see him, like you can
tell when he's about he's about to do the flip,
I get excited every time.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
There's just something so like untrustworthy about men who do that,
And I don't know that's because I dated someone who
could backflip.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But I also.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Found that he actually hasn't. I found that he hasn't
commented exactly why he does the backflip. I saw an
interview on iHeartRadio jingle Ball where he was asked if
he's ever missed the mark yeah, and he says, so far,
I've hit it every time. There's you know, a couple
(06:48):
of times I've had it like landing that isn't my favorite,
but I've never once noticeably said, oh wow, that was
really bad. So I'm hoping that day doesn't come. But
so far it's been good.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That man's definitely going to break a bone on stage live,
like that's coming, and I've like mentally prepared myself for that.
Just the odds are against him because he's backflipping multiple
times a week, but he was like to have a
smooth lane. Can you imagine if the one time he
missed was when he was flipping over International treasure Quinter Bronson.
Can you imagine she looks so calm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I don't know, she's loving moment I took a screenshot.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Of the Wow, the screenshot I've ever taken. If you said,
one day you'll take a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Screenshot of Benson Boone backslipping, I got Quinter Brunson on SML,
I would not believe you, And yet I've got that.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So I'd be fearing for my life because I'm so tall.
I'm like, he definitely smacked me in the head. But
she's she's very tiny. Yeah, got plenty on being small. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So I feel like, yeah, they were good pairing.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I guess so they probably had Benson Boone on first,
and I'm like, now we need to find a tiny
so that he can backlim over him when we get
that past the legal day. So where did we end
on this? Do we like Benson Boone now? Or are
you off him? I like him if he stops the flip,
try something new? Oh, I mean, what could he possibly do?
Like a cartwell's not.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I don't want to need gymnastics.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
No, gymnastics seems wild and your damn songs. Oh no,
I want to say. I'm just gonna he can keep
the onesie. Yeah, the glittery onesie is hot. No, I
need that man to keep that clipping the moment he stops,
I'm out of the fandom.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So Walton Goggins is back in headlines. I'm sure he's
not very happy with this. We have talked about him
for a while now. We've talked about the hotness that
he became, and then there's down he became and in
a bit of a downfall when he allegedly cheated on
his wife with Amy lou.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm massive allegedly in front of that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Completely.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
The more we find out, the more I'm starting to
believe that could potentially be true.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So to quickly recap everything that went down. He starred
in the latest season on The White Loatus. His on
screen lover was Amy Lou Wood, and from the start
of the promo bandwagon of the last season, it seemed
like that they really really liked and respected each other.
They were always talking about each other in interviews. They
were always commenting on each other's Instagram accounts. One comment
(09:06):
in particular he left on her Instagram account was you
are the brightest slide in every room. A human's human
missed you, followed by two foxmojis, Oh, I'm very very sweet.
And then he did something that I'm sure a lot
of men his age would do is that he didn't
know how to use Instagram.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, and it seemed.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Like he blocked her on Instagram because all of a
sudden they weren't following each other on Instagram. You could
see this in the back end. And also all of
his comments on her Instagram completely disappeared, So it seemed
a bit off. There were a lot of roomor spiraling,
especially with allegations that he may have had an affair,
(09:47):
mainly because they've stopped talking about each other in press interviews.
It felt like it got really weird between them, and
also he was overly gushy on the Instagram post his
wife was posting yes.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And what people think happened is that his wife found
out that something had happened and that she said to him,
you have to block and unfollow her, and so he
did that, even though I'm sure anyone like his if
he talked to anyone who Publicist's team, anyone, they would
have said, that's going to be a massive red flag
to people. Why don't you just mute her for now?
But I think the situation had already escalated so much
(10:19):
behind the scenes that it had to be a block
and unfollow So.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Recently he did a profile with The Sunday Times and
he was asked about.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Because it's the first time he's done any kind of
real press since White LOADUS Season three wrapped, because he
didn't do a lot of those big press circuits of
the rest of the cast did after the show. You know,
some of them came to Australia. We had them on
the pod, but they were also doing all these big
international junkets and red carpets and like celebrating the end
of the series because I could finally talk about it.
And he also was one of the few cast members,
(10:51):
I think, like the only main cast member who didn't
go to the big finale party and do all the
press around that. And when Amy Lee Wood was asked
about it, she had a very diplomatic answer. She kind
of sidestepped and talked about the fact that it was
very his character of him not to show up, with
very of her character. She's like, it's so Chelsea and
Rick that he's not here, and I am That's all
she said about it. There hasn't been an opportunity to
(11:11):
ask him until now.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Until now, which they did ask and he just said,
I'm not going to have that conversation. And then this
publicier said we're not going there, thank you, and the
other publishers said, next question.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yes, because when you're at those kind of things, you
have multiple publicists and sometimes she's got a British one
and an American one. From what I can say, because
you have the publicist that comes with you and also
the publicist who's on the ground for the interview. It's
the whole situation. Every time you hear what of my interviews,
just know there's fifteen.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
People publicists one maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Or just one one even part time, so completely.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Shut down any questions about Amy Leewood is what it
looked like from the profile, and then a little messy
bitch would we like to call checks?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But before we get to that bit, he walked out
of the interview, right did he walk out? He walked out?
I did not know he walked out. Yes, So Jonals
kept asking and he said, what the fuck is this?
And then the publicist said we're just going to end
it there, and then they kind of just all ended.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Ah, but the whole interview was so nice.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, I think because they did that. That's the thing.
If you're gonna ask a question like that. You always
do it at the end, Like, first of all, you
get the leading question, especial if you know it's going
to be would.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You do a question where you know someone's gonna walk out?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, but I do it at the end. Well, obviously
you don't want someone to walk out. But the thing is,
like that journalist can't sit down for the first interview
with Walter Gogut and the whole thing has happen not
ask it. So at the top you ask like about
their project, which is why they're doing the interview, and
you set it all up and you get that ticked
off because then everyone in the room relaxes, and then
you start to do the kind of more personal probing
questions and then you ask them the biggest one at
(12:44):
the end, just in case they walk out, and then
you've already got the interview. And then he did walk out,
and he did walk out.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, but don't you think like if they walk out,
they know that's just going to be the headline everywhere
else because obviously all the other publications see that one
interview and they'll just pull out the biggest thing from it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, I mean it's hard because I'm sure they had
gone into the interview, like you get a list of
no go areas before you do an interview, and usually
they kind of find they're like, don't the talent about
like their politics or something like that. And I think
a lot of journalists, like myself included, stick to that
because you're like, well, if they don't talk about it,
I'm not going to ask them about it. But this
has been such a huge story in the headlines, like
you can't not ask him. But yeah, I thought it
(13:23):
was interesting that both the publicists are trying to shut
it down that eventually he's like, come on, man, what
is this and then they've just ended.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It, which to me, I would hate to make well
to be a guess.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You would have just been like, ask you anything you
want me to, don't worry about I'm sure she's away,
but a proper journalists can't do that. Not that you're
not great to me, this has been like one of
the biggest red flags that something really big has happened
behind the scenes, And I always kind of thought it
was because the thing is if nothing happened, especially with
like Ami Lee Wood, because she's so online, like she's
on Instagram, she's sharing everything she's commenting on things, like
(13:56):
she's really across what's being said, and she would have
been so aware what people were saying, so if she
wanted to. It's almost like they don't worry darling stuff.
If they wanted to shut that down, they could have,
but they chose. Obviously whatever happened was so huge they
didn't want to shut it down the public. They wouldn't
even go and lie because like you could lie. These
are actors, so many actors who hate each other pretend
(14:16):
to love each other on press tours. They could have
just kept following each other. They could have post together
for like one photo, you know what I mean, Like
they could have really shut this down. The fact that
they didn't goes to show that it's beyond repair behind
the scenes, like they can't even ham it up for
the cameras, which usually actors do.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Oh my god, So what's gonna happen next?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, I guess they're not working together anymore, so it's fine,
Like they'll probably just get asked about it a few times,
but it'll be like they don't worry darling stuff. We
won't know, but yes, back to our messy friend. So
it's not to Segway off that our messy friend people
started looking for a white lotus hued when Jason Isaacs,
who plays Timothy Ratliffe on the show The I feel
like people always say, like, oh, the dad of the
incest brothers, which is nice, they drugged up dad, the
(14:57):
drugged up dad who did something terribly wrong that we
don't know. Yes. So he gave a lot of different
interviews during the show's run, and at one point he
gave what's become like quite a viral quote where he
talks about like they were all in this intense film
situation and everything was so full on, and he's like
friendships were made and friendships were lost and all this
sort of stuff, which you and I thought it was
(15:18):
hilarious at the time because he just didn't need to
go there. Absolutely, but he loves the drama. He loves
getting in the mix, and.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So clear that he loves it because he's like, not
as heavily involved.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He's got nothing to lose. I'll tell you guys what happened. Yeah,
it's like you tried feel mysterious about whether he was
wearing a prosthetic or not when they did the penis shot,
and he's like, I don't think I should be asked
about that. No one's asking Mikey Madison Rah And then
his kids were like kids on the show were just like,
yeah he did. It's not a big deal. But he's
like trying to cause the drama right anyway, So that
all happened. So when this is all unfolding, Jason Isaacs,
(15:51):
who's the real Jason Isaacs on Instagram posted a photo
with Walter Goggins where they had bumped into each other
at the airport, and Jason Isaacs has snapped a selfie
of the two brothers hugging it out, and his caption says,
guess who I saw at the airport? Hey all, you
genius Internet sleuths, this looked like a few to you
(16:11):
question mark exclamation mark, exclamation mark, and then hashtag Rick's
alive exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark. Oh my god,
here's the thing, Jason Isaacs, no one thought you were
involved in the feud, you messy, messy bitch. No one
needed you to clear up a rumor. I cannot state
(16:33):
how much you were not involved in this. The only
reason we've said your name is because you keep giving
interviews where no one asked you if there was a
feud when you first gave that interview talking about friendships
being lost. You brought it up. You keep bringing it up.
Now you're posting photos to say that you're not fighting
with Walter Goggins. No one thought you was. We do
so much was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I just know when Jason asked Walton for a selfhie,
Walton would have been like, oh, fuck man.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
He was definitely the airport and he's like, fuck, that's
fucking Jason Isaacs. That's why he's got his sunglasses on
in the photo. He was obviously trying to like slip
past it. And then all of a sudden Jason was like,
well Walton, hey man, Hey, how are you? And he
was like hey.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The also funny thing about this is that there's a
lot of controversy with Duke University, Yeah and the White
Lotus because Timothy Ratliffe wears a Duke University shirt in
the season, and Duke University was like, we don't want
to be connected to this character, like it's such a
bad representation of our university. And in the post with
(17:34):
Walton Goggins with that like fucked up caption, he tags
the Duke.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh my god, I had not picked that up. I
was so stressed about the caption.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Unprovoked.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah no, he said after the show, because apparently Duke
University was like, can this man who's a terrible character
stop wearing our Duke merch on the show. Obviously the
shoulder had been filmed, and he's like, this is I mean,
he's so messy. He just lives for like a tabloid headline.
And he said after the show finished that he was
going to keep wearing the Duke merchandise just to like
(18:09):
mess with the university because they commented on it. So
now he's tagging them in his posts. Fuck, it's oh
my god. That imagine being that messy and also imagine
thinking that women are out here causing drama when Jason Isaacs,
all gossip leads back to Jason Isaacs, like all backflips
leap back to Katie Perry to Jason isa I was
(18:30):
I don't think we'll ever get an answer on that
Amy Lee Wood or will to Googgan situation. But I
think this has kind of just made it just really escalated, Tea,
And this is the first time we really know that
whatever happened is irreparable so at the moment, Blake Lively
is on the promo tour for her new movie Another
Simple Favor, which is out on Prime Video now, which
(18:51):
means she's had to give her first sit down interview
since that whole legal situation with Justin Baldoni blew up
and they're you know, they're going to court in over
a year. There's a lot happening there. But first of all,
we actually haven't had this conversation because you and I
went to the Oh wow, you're really like smiling intensely
at me. You and I went to the premiere of
Blake's new movie, well, the Australian screening, the Australian screen
(19:13):
I'll knock it down if you makes there's some good
cocktails there of Another Simple Favor, which stars Blake Clavely
and Anna Kendrake. Shout out to like the fifteen spillers
who messaged me on Friday night because I told everyone
to watch it on Friday night. It felt like a
Friday night movie. So I was getting all these messages
from spillers as they were watching it with their thoughts,
like we're all having a communal viewing experience. It was
very cute. So you and I went to the screening together,
(19:34):
but we sat at separate ends of the whole role
of mommea. Stuff that was there was like basically us
at the premiere. Then you went off to Perth and
we haven't talked about it, but I could hear a
very distinct like squealing and laughing during the movie, and
I was like, I don't even have to look over,
I just know that's Emily.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I was laughing a lot in the movie. So you
loved it, No, I hated it. What I thought it
was one of the worst movies I've ever saying.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You were laughing at it. I was laughing at it.
Blake Clavely was not in underjoke. You didn't think it
was just fun and silly and entertaining, and the clothes
were weird and.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
They absolutely leaned so hard into I guess the critiques
of the first which is what I liked. I thought
that was very clever and also very brave thing to do,
very brave. But I just don't think it was a
good movie.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I just thought it was apologies, Well, you should have
been here last week because I told all the spillers
to watch it and they did.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It is yeah, I wouldn't. I haven't told anyone to
not watch it because I feel like it's very up
to your taste. But I just hated it. There wasn't
a thing about it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You didn't think it joy part of it one miner
or just like I regret really Okay, wow, Well I
thought it was a fun time. I thought it was
exactly what it sailed. It was like, it did what
it's sad on the tin. It was just like a
fun little sequel.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It did what it only did said on the tin.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It was that was it. Okay, Well I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Okay, just so I was actually like, I remember before
we watched it, I was like, oh, this would have
been lovely to watch in a cinema because it's out
on streaming only.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, like this would have been a lovely cinematic experience
because it's like because we saw it, it's beautiful. And
then I watched it and I was like, oh, that's
why it's not going to be in cinema.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Okay, Well, I stick my.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I think going from Sinners to this was a bad
move on my part.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah. No one's saying they're the same.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Movie, but I think I should have watched something in
between to cleanse my pilot.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Okay, I mean again, this is why I tell people
this is like a fun Friday night movie, Like you're
stressed from the week on the couch, you can look
at your phone a lot of movies. I'm glad I
got that out of the way, and I'm also glad
that Blake Lively didn't hear it. It makes sense stressful
she had.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
To do this interview because she an institute promo for
this movie.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, and I think they have really cut back on
the promo. So usually from a movie like this, I
think like Blake and Anna would really be on the
press tour doing like mad covers and lots of different
interviews to their dynamic together. Yeah, I haven't seen them
really do any kind of junkets or anything like that
together as they normally would. So Mum and me, I
interviewed Henry Golding Love he's great in this movie, who's
(21:56):
one of the stars in the movie. And Paul Fike,
who's the creative director writer behind the movie. So we
interviewed them along with a lot of other outlets. But
the Anna Blake interview, as far as I can tell,
for most people, wasn't on the table, and they've been
like walking red carpets and everything. But I think all
the right carpet reporters have been told, you know, don't
ask about any of the legal stuff, which is fair enough.
So she did her one big TV sit down interview
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which would have been a contractual obligation for the movie,
which I guess would have been all set up before
this whole thing blew up, And she did with Seth Meyers,
which I think was a really interesting choice because he's
known to you know, be like quite friendly with the
celebs and like not he's not like a heart in
the interview. He's one of their friends. Yeah, it's kind
of like one of the people. So it was like
(22:39):
a very nice way to do it. And you could
tell that she was really prepared for what she was
going to say, because as soon as the question came up,
and it was obviously pre planned in the interview where
it would that they would do this one question then
move on, and you could tell that she had planned
what she was going to say and she needed to
get it out there. So as soon as he said
to her, I understand, you've had a bit of a
tough year, and I don't know what you can say,
she said this.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
What I can say without going too into it, is
that this Sira has been full of the highs, highs
and the lowest lowers of my life. And I see
so many women around afraid to speak, especially right now,
afraid to show their experiences, and and fear is by design,
it's what keeps us silent. But I also acknowledge that
many people don't have the opportunity to speak. So I
(23:20):
do feel fortunate that I've been able to. And it's
the women who have had the ability to use their
voice that's kept me strong and you know, helped me
in my belief in my fight for the world to
be safe for women and girls.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's a pretty simple thing.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
It's so interesting this interview. This is one of the
first interviews I've heard of her where she sounds so nervous. Yeah,
Like you can hear the nerves in her voice, and
you can also hear and see on her face, like
her like scaredness of when people aren't laughing at some
of the jokes she's saying.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah. And it's something that she's never done.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Before, Like I feel like she used to just really
lean in on her celebrity status and her personality whenever
she does one of these interviews. But you can tell
also the minute the interview changes from her having to
talk about not just like everything that's happened because she
physically can't talk about it, but the movie as well,
and change into talking about something completely separate like Wrexham,
(24:12):
like a husband's football team, where you see her completely
relax and it was only after she had to deal
with all that that, like she completely relaxed. And you
can even see on YouTube because YouTube will show you
the most played part of video. Yeah, and you can
see it's just that part of the interview where she
has to talk about everything that's happened with the allegations
(24:32):
and the court case, and then it feels like everyone's
just dropped off immediately after that.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, it's so interesting because Blake Lively is not someone
who's had before. This whole thing blew up when the
movie first came out, and that was that whole backlash
against her and people thought that, you know, she was
the one who was torturing Justin Bealdoni and then all
different allegations came out and now she's suing him for
a number of things. Like including sexual harassment. He's suing her.
It's all become very litigious. But prior to that, Blake
(25:00):
Lively was one of the celebrities who could tell really
loved doing the talk show circuit. And a lot of
celebrities talk about not liking it because you've got to
like talk to producer beforehand and give them all these
really good stories and they kind of like pick which
one they want you to tell, and people get very
stressed about like having a good enough story, like even celebrities,
which is weird, I guess, because it's the one thing
they can't really control. They go out there and it's
(25:20):
either live or it goes up and it can't be edited.
But Blake Lively has always been one of those people
that does all the talk show circuits. She always tells
these stories. You can tell she has like little bits
prepared about her kids or like other people that sort
of stuff. And so I think that's why this clip
has gone a little bit viral, not just because it's
the first time she's spoken about the legal case, but
it's the first time she looks really uncomfortable and you
(25:43):
can hear the audience really cheering and clapping for her
and being really supportive. A lot of people who are
doing these talk shows look out to the audience to
kind of interact with them, and she's looking down. But
the other thing about these talk shows that you can't
see off cameras that they have audience warmers and like
floor managers and stuff, so like before the celebrity comes out,
they like warm them up with jokes and applause and
(26:04):
stuff like that, and they also tell them when to
clap or when to clap bigger or when to clap smaller.
So you can just tell that there were people on
the side when she's talking, being like, clap bigger, clap more,
just to make her feel you know what I mean,
to make her feel good when she's telling her story.
But it all just comes across, I guess, like very
intense to her. But I also thought like she was
very pre planned. Do you think like she's really trying
(26:25):
to very curate in now, Yeah, she's really trying to
show I'm not trying to destroy anyone. I'm not trying
to get money. This is about fighting for women and
women's rights and the women who can't speak for themselves.
Is that is really what she's pushing on her end.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Which is also really interesting because the whole press tour
initially for it ends with us. It was kind of
the sentiment that Justin Baldoni was saying about the movie,
which is so different to what she was saying about
the movie, and it's interesting how now she's taken on
that kind of language to talk about the whole ordeal altogether.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, I mean that's really what she's Yeah, exactly what
she's pushing almost like what people wanted her to say
during the press to her of the movie, where she
was more trying to keep it a bit lighter, and
she was trying to be like, this is a movie
that you know, go and see together. Obviously there's the
you know, grab your floral's line that went crazy. She
said a lot of other stuff, but obviously that was
the one that went everywhere. But yeah, she wasn't talking
(27:18):
about domestic violence or women's rights or anything like that
the same way that Justin Baldoni was. But also knowing
what we know now, like obviously we don't know what happened,
but there's a lot of allegations on both sides, but
a lot of her allegations towards Justin Baldoni sexually arresting
her making her feel uncomfortable. Her allegations include him like
(27:39):
forcing her to watch porn. She's also alleged he got
his friend who's an actor, to come in and like
be close to her when she was like nearly naek
under a shit. Like there's a lot of so I
do wonder like how much those allegations would have been
kind of playing in her mind when she was doing
the promo for that movie. Like it's very layered. But yeah,
interesting that that's the first time that she's spoken about it,
and I think she'll probably have to speak about it
(28:00):
quite a few more times in the future because you know,
this court case, like it feels like we've already been
through it all because you know, at the start of
the year and like towards the end of last year
is when it all started kind of bubbling up, when
there was big New York Times expose and then Blake
Lively fired the legal complaint, and then she filed the lawsuit,
and then Justin Bealdoni filed the lawsuit, and then Justin
Baldoni put up that whole website about Blake Lively and
(28:21):
it was a whole, big situation. They've had like one
court hearing just to kind of sort of get the
ball rolling and also to try and shut down justin
Bealdoni's sharing all this information. But you know, the actual
court case is not even starting until March twenty twenty six.
We've got nearly a whole year. Like that's how long
these things take. I guess that's say Sean Combs.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
We've been talking about Sean Combs for like feels like
five ten years, and the court case was only happening next.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Week, this week, next week in a C show. It
looks like it happens the week after, like so we
get to rest again, like yeah this week. Can't believe
laur in order or anything like that. Like the legal
system takes. So we have like nearly a whole year
left of this, but I'm sure they'll they'll both talk
about it again. But yeah, interesting to see her first appearance.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.
The Spill is produced by Amy Kimball with sound production
by Scott Stronik. And we'll be back here on your
podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Bye bye bye
Speaker 2 (29:24):
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this podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia, Welcome to
the Spill your daily pop culture things. I'm Laura Brodnick
and I'm vernam M's back on the orange couch from per.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I feel like I'm going to get like a sprain
in my neck from turning like this.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, sometimes we're in a proper studio and sometimes we're
on a massive orange couch and I you can maybe
hear the different ergonomic Well, you look great. I told
you that's very pretty. As she came in, look am
I slash and as we know, being pretty is what matters. Yeah,
the only thing that matters. Per That's the only compliment
I want to give you anyway on the show today.
Oh my god, so much to talk about. I love when,
(01:00):
like over the weekend, when I'm just like saving one
hundred things in my notes app, I'm writing down things
that have the headline Tell Emily, I've got a thousand
screenshots in my phone. When there's lots of little new
things to pop up over the weekend, That's what I know.
A Monday show is going to be lit. This one's
very lit. So coming up on the show today, White
Lotus season three, we thought it was behind us. The
drama has escalated. No, get Ryan Murphy in here. This
(01:24):
is the next season he does that TV show about
fictionalized famous feuds. That's what we need for this. Plus,
Blake Lively has given her first proper sit down interview
since the whole legal situation blought with Justin Baldoni. We're
going to get into that. There's so much to say,
but first you have something you wanted to bring to
the table. I need, which I'm not super across. I'm
(01:45):
gonna listen here.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, I need to talk about a man who needs
to come back down to Earth Jesus physically.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I'm talking about Benson Boone. Oh God, please don't need
to become the Benson Boone defender on this podcasts the
third time I've had to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So Quintera Brunson had to host.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Dave had to. She was offered to post.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
SNL Saturday Night Live last week as in because fan
and so I discovered on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It wasn't that long ago. When you're like SML is
still relevant, and I was like, yeah, it's pretty still
relevant in a massive way. And ever since then weekly
you pitched Saturday Night live segments. Frostgen comes up once
a week for me.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So Quinter Brunson was the host and the musical guest
on was Benson Boone. Now, usually the host will be
standing in the crowd when it's the music person's turn,
they'll be standing in the crowd and they introduced the
guest and then the camera panned to the stage right
and then the guest does their performance. However, it was
a bit different. Quinna was standing on the stage, she
(02:48):
introduced Benson Boone and then.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
This man did a backflip over her.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And started serenading her on stage. So there's something about
men doing backflips and make me feel like they're not
trustworthy Jesus, because like, why do you have to be
up there for that long?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
What are you trying to hide? What are you trying
to prove?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I actually found an article on Vulture about his backflips.
The headline was how many flips had Benson booth?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Do you want s now?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And I have to read this lineup because it's so funny.
It said before Benson boone Saturday Night Live debut, there
was one question on everyone's mind.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Is that motherfucker going to do a flip again? He
has to? Now? Can you imagine if you went and
saw Benson Boone live and he didn't blackflip? I demand
my freaking money back.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
He did two all up though, So he did one
in the promo, yeah, and one on the actual performance.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That's the perfect amount if he'd gone for three too much, sir,
too much.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I actually looked up when he started flipping. Yeah, all
roads lead to can you guess who? No, Kody Perry?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh yes, because she was the one who did that
iconic line on well iconics all way to do it.
But it's become iconic because he gets played and played
and played because he was on American Idol when she
was a judge, right yea, And he came out and
he was he's so young, he looks like a different person.
He looks like a Toddlers. I'm not going to say
he's hot, but he came across very hot. And she
(04:13):
said that line or everyone's going to swoon for Benson Boone. Yeah,
it became like a thing. Well she wasn't wrong. It
was weird.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So it was like twenty twenty one when he did
his audition and she said that line and she said,
I see you winning American Idol if you want to,
And I feel like this is when he started figuring
out that he could flip, but he wasn't as confident
in the backflip.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So he used to do it. I can't believe I
know the history of Bens and Boone slipping. He used
to like do it in the backyard for his dad, right,
I don't know about that. I don't Why do I
know that information about life is not in my head?
That's weird that you know that I can't remember to
register my car, but I know I can remember the
facts of like where Benson Boone learned to flip. And
(04:55):
he learned to do it in his backyard and like
a trempoline.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
He started off with like a safety kind of well
like this is still beyond what most people can do,
but one of those like roundups, and then he actually
had his hands on the ground like a handstand flip, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Which is what he did.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
After the audition of American when Katy Perry said, I
see you winning American Idol if you want to so
you know how now he can just stand and backflip.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Before you had to like a run up, so it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Looked like he was running out of the room.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So terrified by Katie Perry. He was an early adopter.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was like a sprint and then he did like
the flip. So he did like a front flip and
then a back flip and then kind of like how
gymnasts do where they like stand straight after it expecting
a round of a place. So he stands up straight
and then just like gleams, he gleams at the judges or.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Two of our freaking backflip. Okay, here's the thing. Just
speak honestly. Now, when he's up on stage and he's
singing beautiful things and he hits that really high note
and he throws his head back and he backflips off
the piano. Are you telling me you don't find that attractive?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I find it attractive, but it's not something that I
would dwell on.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I just think it's so hot when every time it
never gets old for me. Like I when I hear
that song start and I see him, like you can
tell when he's about he's about to do the flip,
I get excited every time.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
There's just something so like untrustworthy about men who do that,
And I don't know that's because I dated someone who
could backflip.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But I also.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Found that he actually hasn't. I found that he hasn't
commented exactly why he does the backflip. I saw an
interview on iHeartRadio jingle Ball where he was asked if
he's ever missed the mark yeah, and he says, so far,
I've hit it every time. There's you know, a couple
(06:48):
of times I've had it like landing that isn't my favorite,
but I've never once noticeably said, oh wow, that was
really bad. So I'm hoping that day doesn't come. But
so far it's been good.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That man's definitely going to break a bone on stage live,
like that's coming, and I've like mentally prepared myself for that.
Just the odds are against him because he's backflipping multiple
times a week, but he was like to have a
smooth lane. Can you imagine if the one time he
missed was when he was flipping over International treasure Quinter Bronson.
Can you imagine she looks so calm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I don't know, she's loving moment I took a screenshot.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Of the Wow, the screenshot I've ever taken. If you said,
one day you'll take a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Screenshot of Benson Boone backslipping, I got Quinter Brunson on SML,
I would not believe you, And yet I've got that.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So I'd be fearing for my life because I'm so tall.
I'm like, he definitely smacked me in the head. But
she's she's very tiny. Yeah, got plenty on being small. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So I feel like, yeah, they were good pairing.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I guess so they probably had Benson Boone on first,
and I'm like, now we need to find a tiny
so that he can backlim over him when we get
that past the legal day. So where did we end
on this? Do we like Benson Boone now? Or are
you off him? I like him if he stops the flip,
try something new? Oh, I mean, what could he possibly do?
Like a cartwell's not.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I don't want to need gymnastics.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
No, gymnastics seems wild and your damn songs. Oh no,
I want to say. I'm just gonna he can keep
the onesie. Yeah, the glittery onesie is hot. No, I
need that man to keep that clipping the moment he stops,
I'm out of the fandom.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So Walton Goggins is back in headlines. I'm sure he's
not very happy with this. We have talked about him
for a while now. We've talked about the hotness that
he became, and then there's down he became and in
a bit of a downfall when he allegedly cheated on
his wife with Amy lou.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm massive allegedly in front of that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Completely.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
The more we find out, the more I'm starting to
believe that could potentially be true.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So to quickly recap everything that went down. He starred
in the latest season on The White Loatus. His on
screen lover was Amy Lou Wood, and from the start
of the promo bandwagon of the last season, it seemed
like that they really really liked and respected each other.
They were always talking about each other in interviews. They
were always commenting on each other's Instagram accounts. One comment
(09:06):
in particular he left on her Instagram account was you
are the brightest slide in every room. A human's human
missed you, followed by two foxmojis, Oh, I'm very very sweet.
And then he did something that I'm sure a lot
of men his age would do is that he didn't
know how to use Instagram.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, and it seemed.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Like he blocked her on Instagram because all of a
sudden they weren't following each other on Instagram. You could
see this in the back end. And also all of
his comments on her Instagram completely disappeared, So it seemed
a bit off. There were a lot of roomor spiraling,
especially with allegations that he may have had an affair,
(09:47):
mainly because they've stopped talking about each other in press interviews.
It felt like it got really weird between them, and
also he was overly gushy on the Instagram post his
wife was posting yes.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And what people think happened is that his wife found
out that something had happened and that she said to him,
you have to block and unfollow her, and so he
did that, even though I'm sure anyone like his if
he talked to anyone who Publicist's team, anyone, they would
have said, that's going to be a massive red flag
to people. Why don't you just mute her for now?
But I think the situation had already escalated so much
(10:19):
behind the scenes that it had to be a block
and unfollow So.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Recently he did a profile with The Sunday Times and
he was asked about.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Because it's the first time he's done any kind of
real press since White LOADUS Season three wrapped, because he
didn't do a lot of those big press circuits of
the rest of the cast did after the show. You know,
some of them came to Australia. We had them on
the pod, but they were also doing all these big
international junkets and red carpets and like celebrating the end
of the series because I could finally talk about it.
And he also was one of the few cast members,
(10:51):
I think, like the only main cast member who didn't
go to the big finale party and do all the
press around that. And when Amy Lee Wood was asked
about it, she had a very diplomatic answer. She kind
of sidestepped and talked about the fact that it was
very his character of him not to show up, with
very of her character. She's like, it's so Chelsea and
Rick that he's not here, and I am That's all
she said about it. There hasn't been an opportunity to
(11:11):
ask him until now.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Until now, which they did ask and he just said,
I'm not going to have that conversation. And then this
publicier said we're not going there, thank you, and the
other publishers said, next question.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yes, because when you're at those kind of things, you
have multiple publicists and sometimes she's got a British one
and an American one. From what I can say, because
you have the publicist that comes with you and also
the publicist who's on the ground for the interview. It's
the whole situation. Every time you hear what of my interviews,
just know there's fifteen.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
People publicists one maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Or just one one even part time, so completely.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Shut down any questions about Amy Leewood is what it
looked like from the profile, and then a little messy
bitch would we like to call checks?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But before we get to that bit, he walked out
of the interview, right did he walk out? He walked out?
I did not know he walked out. Yes, So Jonals
kept asking and he said, what the fuck is this?
And then the publicist said we're just going to end
it there, and then they kind of just all ended.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Ah, but the whole interview was so nice.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, I think because they did that. That's the thing.
If you're gonna ask a question like that. You always
do it at the end, Like, first of all, you
get the leading question, especial if you know it's going
to be would.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You do a question where you know someone's gonna walk out?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, but I do it at the end. Well, obviously
you don't want someone to walk out. But the thing is,
like that journalist can't sit down for the first interview
with Walter Gogut and the whole thing has happen not
ask it. So at the top you ask like about
their project, which is why they're doing the interview, and
you set it all up and you get that ticked
off because then everyone in the room relaxes, and then
you start to do the kind of more personal probing
questions and then you ask them the biggest one at
(12:44):
the end, just in case they walk out, and then
you've already got the interview. And then he did walk out,
and he did walk out.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, but don't you think like if they walk out,
they know that's just going to be the headline everywhere
else because obviously all the other publications see that one
interview and they'll just pull out the biggest thing from it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, I mean it's hard because I'm sure they had
gone into the interview, like you get a list of
no go areas before you do an interview, and usually
they kind of find they're like, don't the talent about
like their politics or something like that. And I think
a lot of journalists, like myself included, stick to that
because you're like, well, if they don't talk about it,
I'm not going to ask them about it. But this
has been such a huge story in the headlines, like
you can't not ask him. But yeah, I thought it
(13:23):
was interesting that both the publicists are trying to shut
it down that eventually he's like, come on, man, what
is this and then they've just ended.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It, which to me, I would hate to make well
to be a guess.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You would have just been like, ask you anything you
want me to, don't worry about I'm sure she's away,
but a proper journalists can't do that. Not that you're
not great to me, this has been like one of
the biggest red flags that something really big has happened
behind the scenes, And I always kind of thought it
was because the thing is if nothing happened, especially with
like Ami Lee Wood, because she's so online, like she's
on Instagram, she's sharing everything she's commenting on things, like
(13:56):
she's really across what's being said, and she would have
been so aware what people were saying, so if she
wanted to. It's almost like they don't worry darling stuff.
If they wanted to shut that down, they could have,
but they chose. Obviously whatever happened was so huge they
didn't want to shut it down the public. They wouldn't
even go and lie because like you could lie. These
are actors, so many actors who hate each other pretend
(14:16):
to love each other on press tours. They could have
just kept following each other. They could have post together
for like one photo, you know what I mean, Like
they could have really shut this down. The fact that
they didn't goes to show that it's beyond repair behind
the scenes, like they can't even ham it up for
the cameras, which usually actors do.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Oh my god, So what's gonna happen next?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, I guess they're not working together anymore, so it's fine,
Like they'll probably just get asked about it a few times,
but it'll be like they don't worry darling stuff. We
won't know, but yes, back to our messy friend. So
it's not to Segway off that our messy friend people
started looking for a white lotus hued when Jason Isaacs,
who plays Timothy Ratliffe on the show The I feel
like people always say, like, oh, the dad of the
incest brothers, which is nice, they drugged up dad, the
(14:57):
drugged up dad who did something terribly wrong that we
don't know. Yes. So he gave a lot of different
interviews during the show's run, and at one point he
gave what's become like quite a viral quote where he
talks about like they were all in this intense film
situation and everything was so full on, and he's like
friendships were made and friendships were lost and all this
sort of stuff, which you and I thought it was
(15:18):
hilarious at the time because he just didn't need to
go there. Absolutely, but he loves the drama. He loves
getting in the mix, and.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So clear that he loves it because he's like, not
as heavily involved.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He's got nothing to lose. I'll tell you guys what happened. Yeah,
it's like you tried feel mysterious about whether he was
wearing a prosthetic or not when they did the penis shot,
and he's like, I don't think I should be asked
about that. No one's asking Mikey Madison Rah And then
his kids were like kids on the show were just like,
yeah he did. It's not a big deal. But he's
like trying to cause the drama right anyway, So that
all happened. So when this is all unfolding, Jason Isaacs,
(15:51):
who's the real Jason Isaacs on Instagram posted a photo
with Walter Goggins where they had bumped into each other
at the airport, and Jason Isaacs has snapped a selfie
of the two brothers hugging it out, and his caption says,
guess who I saw at the airport? Hey all, you
genius Internet sleuths, this looked like a few to you
(16:11):
question mark exclamation mark, exclamation mark, and then hashtag Rick's
alive exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark. Oh my god,
here's the thing, Jason Isaacs, no one thought you were
involved in the feud, you messy, messy bitch. No one
needed you to clear up a rumor. I cannot state
(16:33):
how much you were not involved in this. The only
reason we've said your name is because you keep giving
interviews where no one asked you if there was a
feud when you first gave that interview talking about friendships
being lost. You brought it up. You keep bringing it up.
Now you're posting photos to say that you're not fighting
with Walter Goggins. No one thought you was. We do
so much was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I just know when Jason asked Walton for a selfhie,
Walton would have been like, oh, fuck man.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
He was definitely the airport and he's like, fuck, that's
fucking Jason Isaacs. That's why he's got his sunglasses on
in the photo. He was obviously trying to like slip
past it. And then all of a sudden Jason was like,
well Walton, hey man, Hey, how are you? And he
was like hey.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The also funny thing about this is that there's a
lot of controversy with Duke University, Yeah and the White
Lotus because Timothy Ratliffe wears a Duke University shirt in
the season, and Duke University was like, we don't want
to be connected to this character, like it's such a
bad representation of our university. And in the post with
(17:34):
Walton Goggins with that like fucked up caption, he tags
the Duke.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh my god, I had not picked that up. I
was so stressed about the caption.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Unprovoked.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah no, he said after the show, because apparently Duke
University was like, can this man who's a terrible character
stop wearing our Duke merch on the show. Obviously the
shoulder had been filmed, and he's like, this is I mean,
he's so messy. He just lives for like a tabloid headline.
And he said after the show finished that he was
going to keep wearing the Duke merchandise just to like
(18:09):
mess with the university because they commented on it. So
now he's tagging them in his posts. Fuck, it's oh
my god. That imagine being that messy and also imagine
thinking that women are out here causing drama when Jason Isaacs,
all gossip leads back to Jason Isaacs, like all backflips
leap back to Katie Perry to Jason isa I was
(18:30):
I don't think we'll ever get an answer on that
Amy Lee Wood or will to Googgan situation. But I
think this has kind of just made it just really escalated, Tea,
And this is the first time we really know that
whatever happened is irreparable so at the moment, Blake Lively
is on the promo tour for her new movie Another
Simple Favor, which is out on Prime Video now, which
(18:51):
means she's had to give her first sit down interview
since that whole legal situation with Justin Baldoni blew up
and they're you know, they're going to court in over
a year. There's a lot happening there. But first of all,
we actually haven't had this conversation because you and I
went to the Oh wow, you're really like smiling intensely
at me. You and I went to the premiere of
Blake's new movie, well, the Australian screening, the Australian screen
(19:13):
I'll knock it down if you makes there's some good
cocktails there of Another Simple Favor, which stars Blake Clavely
and Anna Kendrake. Shout out to like the fifteen spillers
who messaged me on Friday night because I told everyone
to watch it on Friday night. It felt like a
Friday night movie. So I was getting all these messages
from spillers as they were watching it with their thoughts,
like we're all having a communal viewing experience. It was
very cute. So you and I went to the screening together,
(19:34):
but we sat at separate ends of the whole role
of mommea. Stuff that was there was like basically us
at the premiere. Then you went off to Perth and
we haven't talked about it, but I could hear a
very distinct like squealing and laughing during the movie, and
I was like, I don't even have to look over,
I just know that's Emily.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I was laughing a lot in the movie. So you
loved it, No, I hated it. What I thought it
was one of the worst movies I've ever saying.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You were laughing at it. I was laughing at it.
Blake Clavely was not in underjoke. You didn't think it
was just fun and silly and entertaining, and the clothes
were weird and.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
They absolutely leaned so hard into I guess the critiques
of the first which is what I liked. I thought
that was very clever and also very brave thing to do,
very brave. But I just don't think it was a
good movie.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I just thought it was apologies, Well, you should have
been here last week because I told all the spillers
to watch it and they did.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It is yeah, I wouldn't. I haven't told anyone to
not watch it because I feel like it's very up
to your taste. But I just hated it. There wasn't
a thing about it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You didn't think it joy part of it one miner
or just like I regret really Okay, wow, Well I
thought it was a fun time. I thought it was
exactly what it sailed. It was like, it did what
it's sad on the tin. It was just like a
fun little sequel.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It did what it only did said on the tin.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It was that was it. Okay, Well I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Okay, just so I was actually like, I remember before
we watched it, I was like, oh, this would have
been lovely to watch in a cinema because it's out
on streaming only.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, like this would have been a lovely cinematic experience
because it's like because we saw it, it's beautiful. And
then I watched it and I was like, oh, that's
why it's not going to be in cinema.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Okay, Well, I stick my.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I think going from Sinners to this was a bad
move on my part.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah. No one's saying they're the same.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Movie, but I think I should have watched something in
between to cleanse my pilot.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Okay, I mean again, this is why I tell people
this is like a fun Friday night movie, Like you're
stressed from the week on the couch, you can look
at your phone a lot of movies. I'm glad I
got that out of the way, and I'm also glad
that Blake Lively didn't hear it. It makes sense stressful
she had.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
To do this interview because she an institute promo for
this movie.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, and I think they have really cut back on
the promo. So usually from a movie like this, I
think like Blake and Anna would really be on the
press tour doing like mad covers and lots of different
interviews to their dynamic together. Yeah, I haven't seen them
really do any kind of junkets or anything like that
together as they normally would. So Mum and me, I
interviewed Henry Golding Love he's great in this movie, who's
(21:56):
one of the stars in the movie. And Paul Fike,
who's the creative director writer behind the movie. So we
interviewed them along with a lot of other outlets. But
the Anna Blake interview, as far as I can tell,
for most people, wasn't on the table, and they've been
like walking red carpets and everything. But I think all
the right carpet reporters have been told, you know, don't
ask about any of the legal stuff, which is fair enough.
So she did her one big TV sit down interview
(22:18):
which would have been a contractual obligation for the movie,
which I guess would have been all set up before
this whole thing blew up, And she did with Seth Meyers,
which I think was a really interesting choice because he's
known to you know, be like quite friendly with the
celebs and like not he's not like a heart in
the interview. He's one of their friends. Yeah, it's kind
of like one of the people. So it was like
(22:39):
a very nice way to do it. And you could
tell that she was really prepared for what she was
going to say, because as soon as the question came up,
and it was obviously pre planned in the interview where
it would that they would do this one question then
move on, and you could tell that she had planned
what she was going to say and she needed to
get it out there. So as soon as he said
to her, I understand, you've had a bit of a
tough year, and I don't know what you can say,
she said this.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
What I can say without going too into it, is
that this Sira has been full of the highs, highs
and the lowest lowers of my life. And I see
so many women around afraid to speak, especially right now,
afraid to show their experiences, and and fear is by design,
it's what keeps us silent. But I also acknowledge that
many people don't have the opportunity to speak. So I
(23:20):
do feel fortunate that I've been able to. And it's
the women who have had the ability to use their
voice that's kept me strong and you know, helped me
in my belief in my fight for the world to
be safe for women and girls.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's a pretty simple thing.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
It's so interesting this interview. This is one of the
first interviews I've heard of her where she sounds so nervous. Yeah,
Like you can hear the nerves in her voice, and
you can also hear and see on her face, like
her like scaredness of when people aren't laughing at some
of the jokes she's saying.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah. And it's something that she's never done.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Before, Like I feel like she used to just really
lean in on her celebrity status and her personality whenever
she does one of these interviews. But you can tell
also the minute the interview changes from her having to
talk about not just like everything that's happened because she
physically can't talk about it, but the movie as well,
and change into talking about something completely separate like Wrexham,
(24:12):
like a husband's football team, where you see her completely
relax and it was only after she had to deal
with all that that, like she completely relaxed. And you
can even see on YouTube because YouTube will show you
the most played part of video. Yeah, and you can
see it's just that part of the interview where she
has to talk about everything that's happened with the allegations
(24:32):
and the court case, and then it feels like everyone's
just dropped off immediately after that.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, it's so interesting because Blake Lively is not someone
who's had before. This whole thing blew up when the
movie first came out, and that was that whole backlash
against her and people thought that, you know, she was
the one who was torturing Justin Bealdoni and then all
different allegations came out and now she's suing him for
a number of things. Like including sexual harassment. He's suing her.
It's all become very litigious. But prior to that, Blake
(25:00):
Lively was one of the celebrities who could tell really
loved doing the talk show circuit. And a lot of
celebrities talk about not liking it because you've got to
like talk to producer beforehand and give them all these
really good stories and they kind of like pick which
one they want you to tell, and people get very
stressed about like having a good enough story, like even celebrities,
which is weird, I guess, because it's the one thing
they can't really control. They go out there and it's
(25:20):
either live or it goes up and it can't be edited.
But Blake Lively has always been one of those people
that does all the talk show circuits. She always tells
these stories. You can tell she has like little bits
prepared about her kids or like other people that sort
of stuff. And so I think that's why this clip
has gone a little bit viral, not just because it's
the first time she's spoken about the legal case, but
it's the first time she looks really uncomfortable and you
(25:43):
can hear the audience really cheering and clapping for her
and being really supportive. A lot of people who are
doing these talk shows look out to the audience to
kind of interact with them, and she's looking down. But
the other thing about these talk shows that you can't
see off cameras that they have audience warmers and like
floor managers and stuff, so like before the celebrity comes out,
they like warm them up with jokes and applause and
(26:04):
stuff like that, and they also tell them when to
clap or when to clap bigger or when to clap smaller.
So you can just tell that there were people on
the side when she's talking, being like, clap bigger, clap more,
just to make her feel you know what I mean,
to make her feel good when she's telling her story.
But it all just comes across, I guess, like very
intense to her. But I also thought like she was
very pre planned. Do you think like she's really trying
(26:25):
to very curate in now, Yeah, she's really trying to
show I'm not trying to destroy anyone. I'm not trying
to get money. This is about fighting for women and
women's rights and the women who can't speak for themselves.
Is that is really what she's pushing on her end.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Which is also really interesting because the whole press tour
initially for it ends with us. It was kind of
the sentiment that Justin Baldoni was saying about the movie,
which is so different to what she was saying about
the movie, and it's interesting how now she's taken on
that kind of language to talk about the whole ordeal altogether.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, I mean that's really what she's Yeah, exactly what
she's pushing almost like what people wanted her to say
during the press to her of the movie, where she
was more trying to keep it a bit lighter, and
she was trying to be like, this is a movie
that you know, go and see together. Obviously there's the
you know, grab your floral's line that went crazy. She
said a lot of other stuff, but obviously that was
the one that went everywhere. But yeah, she wasn't talking
(27:18):
about domestic violence or women's rights or anything like that
the same way that Justin Baldoni was. But also knowing
what we know now, like obviously we don't know what happened,
but there's a lot of allegations on both sides, but
a lot of her allegations towards Justin Baldoni sexually arresting
her making her feel uncomfortable. Her allegations include him like
(27:39):
forcing her to watch porn. She's also alleged he got
his friend who's an actor, to come in and like
be close to her when she was like nearly naek
under a shit. Like there's a lot of so I
do wonder like how much those allegations would have been
kind of playing in her mind when she was doing
the promo for that movie. Like it's very layered. But yeah,
interesting that that's the first time that she's spoken about it,
and I think she'll probably have to speak about it
(28:00):
quite a few more times in the future because you know,
this court case, like it feels like we've already been
through it all because you know, at the start of
the year and like towards the end of last year
is when it all started kind of bubbling up, when
there was big New York Times expose and then Blake
Lively fired the legal complaint, and then she filed the lawsuit,
and then Justin Bealdoni filed the lawsuit, and then Justin
Baldoni put up that whole website about Blake Lively and
(28:21):
it was a whole, big situation. They've had like one
court hearing just to kind of sort of get the
ball rolling and also to try and shut down justin
Bealdoni's sharing all this information. But you know, the actual
court case is not even starting until March twenty twenty six.
We've got nearly a whole year. Like that's how long
these things take. I guess that's say Sean Combs.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
We've been talking about Sean Combs for like feels like
five ten years, and the court case was only happening next.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Week, this week, next week in a C show. It
looks like it happens the week after, like so we
get to rest again, like yeah this week. Can't believe
laur in order or anything like that. Like the legal
system takes. So we have like nearly a whole year
left of this, but I'm sure they'll they'll both talk
about it again. But yeah, interesting to see her first appearance.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.
The Spill is produced by Amy Kimball with sound production
by Scott Stronik. And we'll be back here on your
podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Bye bye bye
Speaker 2 (29:24):
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