Selena Gomez & Demi Lovato’s Feud, Victoria Beckham’s Comeback Plan & The Movie News That Shocked Us
September 18, 2025 • 34 mins
After that long-awaited finale, it’s been confirmed that a The Summer I Turned Pretty movie is on its way, and one of our hosts is furious about it.
Plus, a Victoria Beckham documentary will soon be landing on Netflix, and it’s delving into some drama with the Spice Girls, but that’s not the most intriguing part of this release.
And Demi Lovato recently made some comments about her former friend Selena Gomez, and although her comments were not negative, they have stirred up a lot of conversation about their famous friendship fallout.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill,
your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm
(00:31):
Anne Vernon and coming up on the show's today, Victoria
Beckham has released the trailer for her new documentary series
and it's come at a perfect yet scandalous time. So
we're going to get into that. Plus, Oh, I feel
silly saying feud, but let's call it what it is.
A feud from the early two thousands has reared its
ugly head again between Selena Gomez and Demi Lovado. There
(00:52):
have been comments. We're going to get into the whole backstory.
There's a lot to say.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But first I have to make an apology.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh for my voice.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh sorry, a little BTS moment here on the Spill.
My voice is slowly going. I don't really sound like this,
and I know people are going to be mad because
people don't like my voice.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
When it's good. We never heard anyone say that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I've seen a few. I've seen a few angry people.
So I'm just putting it out there, my voice heard.
We've been doing a lot of work stuff that includes
a lot of speaking.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So em can't even look at me at the moment
because we spent the last what four or five days together,
and by it together.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I don't even mean like going home, like we've been
staying in hotels together. We've been having all three meals together, we've.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Been running through airport. It's only missing our flights together,
driving cars on dangerous roads.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Those first day in like three weeks where we're not
going to be together.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
To miss me, I'll call you. Think it will feel weird,
feel weird, I'll call you. But anyway, in case you
missed it, the summer I turned pretty. Last episode series finale,
season three, aired yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We have a lot of thoughts. We're not going to
go into them now because we are doing a brutally
honest review tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, guys, strap in for that. It's going to be huge.
Emma's she's got so many thoughts to say about this final.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And we actually haven't talked about it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We haven't. We're saving it for the pot. Also, your
body is like shaking in like anger in it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
When I say that brutally honest, I'm saying eighty brutal.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I end up defending those poor Fisher boys, aren't I
from you, you tyrant.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It'll be good, guys, It'll be good. Won't be too angry.
But anyway, the last episode ed yesterday. If you watched
the last episode, there was a beautiful letter at the
end of the episode by Jenny Hahn, who wrote the show,
was a big producer on the show, and she also
wrote the Summer I Turned Pretty books that the show
is based on. She's a well known name in Hollywood,
and they displayed this letter from her, just thanking the
(02:48):
fans for being on Belly's journey, saying that the series
made so much to her and the story mats meant
so much to her. So Jenny Hahn actually put this
letter at the end of the episode, and this is
a part of the letter that everyone just keeps talking about.
It said, maybe we will meet again one summer in cousins.
After that episode ed, there was a few hours of
(03:09):
all of us gossiping, going, oh my god, what a
great end to a lovely story.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Really were people saying that it's a very different vime.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I need to find your friends and then we get
a post an announcement, if you will, from Prime Video
saying that the summer I Turn Pretty Story is going
to continue and they're in works on a movie that
Jenny harn is also going to be writing. Yes, I
am not happy.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh you're not happy. Okay, I was done.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I was done with it. I prepared myself, I prepared
my body, I prepared my mind for this to be
the final element of the summer I Turned Pretty Story
for barey Story, and they already pushed it right like.
I think it was two episodes after the original story finished,
so they'd already given us like a little bit extra,
and they're giving us a lot extra. And the thing is,
(04:03):
I had such certain theories about the final episode that
I want to get into the briarly honest reviews. I
don't want to. Yes, yes, but I feel like they're
all just going to be going in the bin now
that there's a movie coming out.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yes, I understand why you're a bit upset. I think
the timing of it is interesting that they didn't announce
it until after the finale had aired, because they wanted
all eyes on the finale and unlike and just like
that it does feel like this was all planned out.
It wasn't like a stileopdust decision to make it that way.
They wanted people to go into the finale feeling like
it was this huge worldwide moment, which it felt like,
(04:35):
and then have the movie be like a little extra
delight at the end. I'll just say this about Jenny
harneh into that woman before twice, and she is not.
She has the interview some authors and they just very
like in the world with their characters, and she's that.
But she's also she's a bit like Shonda Rhymes and
that she's also like a master like content creator, world builder, publicist,
(04:57):
so like she's a bit of publicist in her where
she was like, we have this worldwide moment. This doesn't
come along very often, like once in a generation you
have people get invested in a love triangle like this.
We can't end it at season three. So that's why
the movie is coming out. This is why she stretched
the book. This is why they're doing these different press tours.
This is why there's all these East strikes built in.
This is why particular songs are used. It's about building
(05:19):
this big universe away.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Don't you feel like that. Now they're just like ringing
out a dry rag.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Is that a saying yeah? It is no, No, that's
a correct saying yeah, because you ring out a dry rag,
nothing comes out no, no, no. I can see why you
think that. And sometimes when things are coming back, like
I'm the first to jump on and down and be angry,
be like, there's no need to bring that back. But
this does feel like it ended at a moment where
you need a movie because I'm assuming the movie will
be about their wedding and you it would have felt
(05:46):
too much.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And too everything, like but like, why does she have
to get married twice?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Well, she hasn't been married yet, judge mend Oh my god,
she's had a rehearsal dinner, but not a wedding. But
I'm assuming this will pick frountil cortex hasn't been developed yet. Well,
that's why they're doing the movie, Emily, because I'm assuming
there'll be a five year time jump, so she'll be
twenty seven. That was really quick match for me. So
she'll be twenty seven. Yeah, a child bride, Yeah, very
much a child bride. But well, she was getting married
(06:11):
at twenty ones. This is slightly better that'sn't even bad.
Her frontal lope has formed at this point, So I'm
assuming it'll be the wedding and it'll be one of
those classic kind of moments where like all these characters
have had these huge lives and they all come back
together at the cousin's house for this wedding and drama ensues.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh my god, because it's like where.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Taylor and Steven, what about Jeremiah and what's her name
with the curly hair? Who? We'll get into that tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I just know Adam still has those champagnes.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, and it brings out the champagne is the wedding,
and Jeremiah is like from my wedding, so good. Laurel's
there being like I stopped this once, I'll stop it
again and don't tempt me with a good time. The
scene is set for huge drama, yeah something, and then
she'll get to read Susanna's letter, which we never got
(06:57):
that's because she didn't open it. There are too many
little loose ends. It's like it would have been too
much to tack their wedding on to the finale, because
it would have felt like an afterthought of having this
big ending in the justing at the end needs a
whole movie.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Emily, Well, obviously, I'm gonna watch it at least three times.
I'm not happy about it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Took that into my veins. Well, at least we've got
we've they haven't even started filming it yet, so we've
got at least a year.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh thank god.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So I'll see you back here in a year for
a brutally honest review of the Summer Return. Pretty movie.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I feel like someone at Netflix has been reading my
dream journal because one of my biggest dreams this year
has come true. Not even joking. A new Victoria Beckham
documentary is coming our way October nine on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It seems so excited about this.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Excited.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I know, I know a lot of people are excited.
I did watch it. See.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The thing is, it's like I watched the original Dave
and Victoria Beckham documentary.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You mean I watched that, and I watch a trailer
for this new documentary. I'm intrigued by it because she
was not my era.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yes, so I'm okay, we get it. You're young. Just
so I know. The spice skills are for everyone.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm excited to see. So only together for two millennials
and gen X women that are like so obsessed with
Victoria Beckham because I just like completely missed her.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh okay, well here's your chance to catch up. She's
coming back around again.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Is she your favorite Spice girl?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I can't be a favorite. I feel like I'm little
most like her. I thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
What am I most like?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Yes, Oh,
she's the stylish cool one. Okay, aren't they all pretty
cool in different ways? Who am I? Okay? Your baby
is that bad? It's not bad, it's just a fact.
Which wan's that? Are you kidding me? I don't know, Okay,
(08:50):
I didn't think we'd have to do this in this segment.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I know Jerry because she's married to Christian Horner.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, weird way to know about.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I know mel C because we interviewed her recently. Yes,
I know because she's in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yes, okay, so you know a few of them. So
if the Spillers could just talk amongst themselves for a
second while I tell Emily who the Spice girls are,
because our listeners, I.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Know I'm gonna get bulled.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So Emma Bunton is Baby Spice.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Oh I don't know that one.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm so stressed by this.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I got even she Baby Spies because she was the youngest.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, because when they were all put into this group together,
So the Spice girls all came together as a manufactured
pop girl group. They all went to some little weird
warehouse somewhere in London and auditioned, went all through these rounds.
It's like what you see on TV shows now, but
it wasn't televised. It was just the studio trying to
put them together. And once they were put together, they
were all kind of given personas that kind of matched
who they were by the studio, but it was sort
(09:42):
of it was all marketing. So you had like Scary Spice,
Sporty Spice, Ginger Spice, Baby Spice, and Posh Spice.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
If I walked into a room of executives and they
called me Scary Spies, I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Going to be really racial undertones. Yeah, I discussed at
the time that have been now. But Emma Bunton was
that because she was the blonde, cutesy looking one and
so they would alsays dress her in the little baby
doll dresses and cogtails and the carpenter. Yeah, okay, is
overly sexualized or yeah, it's a cutesy one.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Em So.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
The documentary, which has nothing to do with the Spig
even about the Spiccyles. Can I just say it isn't
a while the Spiccyles. We still talk about them now.
They were only together for barely two years. No over
nearly thirty years ago. Actually yeah, yeah, but they just
their their force on the world and they impact so huge.
I know. Oh my god, we just closed that before
(10:38):
Jerry left the band. Yeah, it was a whole thing
to get into F one. No, okay, to go solo?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Got it? I heard she was the best singer.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
No, Melcy is the best singer. Got it.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, I'm gonna shut up now.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm going to lend you my copy of the unauthorized
Spy Skills biography that I got at the book fair
in I'm saying nineteen which not not them, it's the
unauthorized deography.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But also you should.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Know about Victoria Beckham because she's been famous. I know
about Victoria Beckham, not from this conversation. You don't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
She just did not like I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know what I mean, well, okay, so this documentary
is for you because while the David Victoria one was
like a peek inside like their marriage and their life,
so you saw back from footage from their early days
they talked about that, you saw them in their home now,
all that sort of stuff. This one is a bit
more centered on Victoria, and it's centered very much in
her building this fashion label because Emily, when the Spice
(11:32):
Girls broke up, she was not not She was no
one as being like fashionable on like a pop star level,
but she wasn't high fashion, and she desperately wanted to
be in high fashion, so she started the Victoria Beckham brand,
and the fashion community shunned her. There's even all these
reports of like when she was trying to be high fashion.
Design houses would be like calling their pr agents and saying,
why is Victoria wearing our clothes on red carpets? Get
(11:55):
her out of them, and they're like, we're not giving
them to her. You know how most celebrities they get
dressed by a designer. You either go to a gifting
suite of closes a centover and they'd say, we can't
stop her. She's buying them from the shop. She's going
into shops and maybe they hate her so much because
she wasn't seen as high fashion, was seen as because
she went through art and this is a great Victoria
Beckham era. She went through like a very tacky fashion
(12:15):
phase and like the best way, like hot pants, like
crop top corsets.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
When she wore that bag, everyone be like, WHOA.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well, potentially yeah, And that's when she had like a
big boob job and she had like the super long
blonde hair extensions and like you know, wearing ugs out
and about like that kind of really early two thousands vibe.
And then she went kind of very chic high fashion.
And when she built her fashion label, it took a
long time for it to be successful, and there's all
these things about David Beckham having to give her the
money and for a long time the company was like
(12:43):
she says it in the trailer and she's like we
were in the red, like they were just losing money
for such a long time. So it's taken her over
a decade to be like a credible fashion person. And
this is why the documentary is.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Like trying a lot. In the trailer, Yeah, she does
cry a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
She's talking about like she has always said she got
hugely bullied at school. I don't know if that's true
or not, because she kept she's doing that a little
bit of that.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Megati every celebrity to get bullied. I know I got bullied,
but I'm not a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You now you're the baby spices of the podcast Studio. Well,
I mean, she does that Megan Michael thing where she
talks about really being ugly as a kid. But in
the documentary, these photos come up and I was like,
you look pretty beautiful to be.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But also she.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Could have been bullied for many reasons. She's always talked
about that, so I feel like it was a huge
part of her life. So the documentary is talking a
bit about her child and her life, about her leaving
the Spice Girls. There's that moment where she says in
the trailer about what happened. People thought I.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Was that miserable cow that never smiled, but I do.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Don't be shocked. I have never.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Forgotten where I come from.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Performing was my dream.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The Spy s Girls made me accept who I am,
and then all of a sudden it stopped.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And in the lead up to a fashion show, and
that's why she's crying because she's talking about her family
not being proud of her and her business not surviving
because it was seen as like would have been a huge,
like worldwide public failure if she'd throw everything into this
fashion career and the world had rejected it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Right, So what question does everyone want to be answered
in this documentary? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, it's interesting. I think it's come at such a
good time for her because she and David got just
this beautiful piece of pr from the first documentary they
did together. Do you remember how much everyone like fell
in love with them. Everyone forgot about a lot of
the crazy cheating scandals and all these things that they
were like an estranged couple who just had a business arrangement,
like all of a sudden, that just the video of
(14:46):
them dancing together and the videos of them like being
in their house and everything, all of a sudden people
just loved them. So I think it gave them this
beautiful positive pr that you really can't buy. It like
has to be a moment. And the trailer seems a
little bit like that where David says to her, like,
we'd be proud of you if you made a cheese
sandwich and she's like, well, I can't make a cheese sandwich. Yeah,
facts Brooklyn can. Well that's the other thing. So I
(15:08):
think it's gonna be really interesting because obviously they'll have
to a lot of press in the lead up to
the documentary coming out in October, but they haven't been
in the spotlight since this whole story of the feud
with Brooklyn and his wife Nikola Pelts blew up in
such a huge way. And you know that there'll be
a premiere where all the kids are all dressed in
Victoria Beckham at and yeah, I think it'll be so
(15:28):
telling if Brooklyn and Nicola aren't there. But obviously this
production has been in the works for like over a
year at least, so it would have been started before
the whole feud story blew up. So that's the thing.
It's really going to come to a head. Like they haven't.
No one said anything publicly about Brooklyn Beckham being estranged
from his family, but I feel like the documentary is
going to address it. Not only just don't stress it,
(15:51):
you just see it in the pr roll out of it.
And I think also it will inda Victoria Beckham to
a whole new group of people who she's been taking
a bit of a hit in this whole Brooklyn Nicola thing,
people sort of thinking that maybe she's a terrible mother
in law, that she's overbearing, that she ruined their wedding,
Like that's the story. That's the story of why they
had the vow renewal, because the allegation is that Victoria
(16:13):
Beckham ruined their first wedding. So Brooklyn Nicola went and
had a wedding with just her family to kind of
erase the first wedding, right, So she took a bit
of a hit in that. But I think people are
gonna watch this documentary and now see this vulnerable side
of her, you know how documentary is, like they shape
this person to this incredible person. You're seeing the story,
so you get very on their side. I think it'll
(16:35):
do that, yeah, Evran, Yeah yeah. Evil Longoria was like
leading the charge of welcoming Dave, and when David Victoria
Beckham relocated to la she was throwing them parties. All
of a sudden. She and Victoria were pictured together all
the time and they've been like really best friends ever since.
And Evel Longoria is the one who often like jumps
in and like defends them from tabloid rumors and all
(16:58):
that sort of stuff, So front and center in the documentary,
she's like, don't say anything about my best friend.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
My best friend Victoria.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So yeah, October nine on Netflix. I can't wait. I
can't absolutely and I can't wait you to learn who
Posh spices. Finally, Okay, well, I feel like my spice
girl's Victoria Beckham. Announcement fell a little flat with you
because I didn't realize we're on different levels of the fandom.
So man, please go again. Can I go again with
another announcement? Thank you? Camp Rock three officially happening. Jonah's
(17:30):
Brothers are back. Demi Levado's back.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh my god, I wait. So Danny's also coming.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
She's executive producing. I don't know what her like official
role in the movie will be, but she's like all
she's involved in it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm so excited. I know you guys touched on it
in the spill where we had our producer One's.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
In where the biggest Jonah's Brothers fan the entire world, And.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Guys, I'm not even joking. I think moniesia like pittures
a Jonah's brother story every week, yeap, and like not
much is happening with them, so she's really digging for
the guitar just in the world. What I like about
the Jonah's Brothers right now is that they're really leaning
into their trio dynamic. Yes, if you're a big Jonahs
Brothers girl, like Mini Cha more than me. There was
(18:12):
a period of time that was really stressful for us
Jonah's Brothers fans because they all wanted to do their
solo things. Nick went solo, Joe went solo with another band,
Kevin had his reality TV show Living with Jonas that
the brothers didn't want to be part of at all.
So they were kind of like separated. And now they
come back and they're really leaning into their brotherhood. And
(18:33):
I think that came as really good press for Joe Jonas,
especially after everything that happened with Sophie Turner, except everyone
just forgot about that completely and all of those like
court documents, Like since he's been on this big tour,
this Jonas Brother's tour anyway, Camp Rock three it's massive.
If you haven't watched Camp Rock one or Camproc two,
it is really great cinema, so many memes have come
(18:55):
out of it. Do you know if Alison Stone's coming back.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I don't know. That'd be interesting because she's just become
a New York Times bestseller. Yeah, and I think there
was something in it about Camp Rox, so maybe not
that she was meant to be the lead and then
they put Demi instead of her. Oh my god, drama,
So maybe not.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Maybe she'll come back as the lead.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That'd be so great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Redemption, Redemntion and the Jonahs' brothers just pretty much play themselves. Look,
they're not the greatest actors, so they can only play themselves.
Even then, the glodian show they had was them playing themselves.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's fine. Am I gonna have to watch camp Rock now?
And I've watched it?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, Okay, okay, we have to do a brilliance review
don't say that of Spice Girls, and then then briodley
on review of Camprock.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh Jesus, we have to. We have to if the
people want it, let us know. Anyway, We're actually not
here today to talk about Camp Rock. What I was
just throwing that in so you felt included. What are
we talking about? Because Damie Lovado has been doing quite
a bit of press in this last week, and she
went on with a loose segway. No, no, she's well,
I don't know if that. She's obviously building up to
(19:56):
announcing the official Camp Rock movie and she's got her
own music and things coming out. But she went on
Watch What Happens Live and she was asked about Selena
Gomez's new album. Oh my god, Now this is interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think anyone just wants to see the world burn.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Because Selena Goromerz and Demi Lovado were friends from the
very very early days of their careers, right.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, they started as best friends on Barney when they
were like literal children, and then they both grew up
on Disney Channel, Selena on Wizards of Waverley Place, Demi
on Sunny with a Chance, And then they had a
movie together called The Princess Protection Program.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Oh Look at Your Face Lighting, which.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Is one of the best movies ever because this was
like this came after Disney really leant into their friendship
as a product and everyone was obsessed with them and
they had their little YouTube channel and everything, and yeah,
one of the best movies ever and the outfits are
crazy good.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, they had one of those friendships that people were
so invested in that it became monetized in a huge way.
So the pressure was always on them to really perform.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It was always them two versus Miley and her best
friend Mandy. Oh all right, yeah yeah yeah. They would
like each so each duo would make so I'm going
on a tangent on your second, you know, I love it.
Each duo would make YouTube videos when YouTube was just
kicking off. Yeah, and like Selena and Demi would post
a YouTube video and then Mandy and Miley would post
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a YouTube video mocking their YouTube really and it would
just go back and forth, like I didn't know that
it was insane.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It was an insane part.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It was like the most insane time to be on YouTube.
I hate that we're on YouTube now. We should have
been on YouTube in two thousand and nine. Yeah, but
I'm like so important. It's better than just watching a podcast.
It was insane, and they always just had like the
Sepia filter. It was so I was peak. I would
get home from school and the first thing I would
do is like let my laptop load while I like
would take off. It was like it would like heat
(21:45):
my thighs because I was like loading his YouTube video
ongoing medical and I had my camp Rock posters on
the back.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh I told it time to be alive.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Anyway, Well, it's so interesting that you bring that up
because that very public feuding was such a thing from
the early two thousand. Yeah, not just with the female
stars at the time, Like a lot of men do
it too, but women just did it better. They had
better insuls, they had better stories, more interesting stories. Yeah,
we didn't care about the men.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Can we just slap each other when you're done?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, exactly. Women, it's like an it's like an art.
So everyone was very invested in Demi and Selena, and
then they had like quite a big friendship falling out,
sort of like mid two thousands, I want to say,
And there was a lot of back and forth around
like they had reading between the lines, like having your
friendship monetized. I think it became more of a job
(22:34):
for them and less about friendship. But there was also
the Taylor Swift factor.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I remember that the Taylor Swift factor was a big
one because Taylor and Selena got very, very close, and
it's been rumored at the reason they got really close
was because at the time Taylor was dating Joe Jonas
and Selena was dating Nick Jonas, so they were just
hanging out with each other, whereas like Miley was also
dating Nick Jonas and he was kind of going in
(22:59):
between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So god, Like that's like, if I had to go
back in a time and I could be a fly
on any wall, it would be Nick Jonas's relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's like they asked. It's like those movies where you
get asked, like what moment in time do you want
to go look back on or what moment what moment
from your life do you want to read live? And
you like, I want to go back to the YouTube
days of Nick Jonas and Demi Lovado's.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Nick Jonas was like the it guy, like obviously, like
everyone either loved Joe Jonas or no one really liked Kevin.
I know he's so hot now, so it's fine. He's fine,
is he?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yea yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Oh my god. He did like a solo show the
other day, like he sang for the first time.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh I saw people going crazy, amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, my god. Anyway, Nick Jonas and then he was
diagnosed with dice. Coming to please, He was diagnosed with diabetes.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I'm glad you laughed at attendent. I'm like, I'm sorry
we laughing.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
At I'm not laughing about this. It's because the Jonahs
brothers now laugh about it. Because when Nick was diagnosed
with diabetes on Disney Channel, Disney Channel really made it
sound like he was dying. They really went in and
like there was like these girls who look like Nick.
Girls were like crying. They were like candles out for me.
And like, now the Jonah's brothers take the piss because
(24:09):
Disney Channel they made to.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
A group of vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It was so bad.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
They're like, oh my god, we can sell like pray
fin t shirts to make it. That's literally what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I was so scared of this meant like this man
was going to die on me. And look he's like fine,
he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well he's notoriously fine. He's got a hot wife and
and a music career.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, but that's like kind of what started. I guess defude,
because also Demi and Joe had a brief moment together
and then.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
From Camp Rocky from Camp Rock.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And then Demi and Nick ended up being really really
good friends and they also did a few like music
gigs together after that, like they did like a carple
karaoke with James Corden and stuff like that much later,
But there was a huge rift between Selena and Demi,
and neither of them have like confirmed or denied that
that's happened. Like Selena is a type of person that
(25:07):
would never ever confirm something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean she's kind of online and MESSI a little bit, right, oh,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
She loves deleting her Instagram and say I'm done and
then coming back two days later.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, and she loves getting in the comments of videos
like again, she's really across what's happening. Well, the whole
reason is I remember that. I think it was like
early two thousands when Demi was at an event. She
was signing photos her fans and everyone was filming her,
and one of the fans goes with her on camera
how Selena, Like you haven't spoken to Selena? Like how
is she like warning this bit of their friendship? And
Demi kind of looks into the camera and is like,
(25:40):
I don't know, ask Taylor. Yeah, first kind of sign, right,
that was the first sign that Demi Levada was kind
of blaming her breakup friendship with of Selena Gomez with
Taylor Slift, and then it became very much like those
two against her. And then Demi also made some comments
over the years that she didn't kind of love Taylor
Swift's squad and she was kind of inferring that it
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was excluding people and she didn't like to behave like that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But also at that in that same vein, I feel
I really do feel for Demi here, because she has
been through a really tough time, yeah, especially being a
child actor, like she's gone through rehab multiple times, She's
had to face so much hardship, and I feel like
Selena Gomez was so focused on having like the good
girl edit that she couldn't allow anything to taint that,
(26:25):
and Taylor Swift for the longest time also had that
same edit. Yes, so their friendship just not only worked
on a personal level because they were both getting so
so famous, but professionally it just looked good and did
so well for their brand, and Demi Lovato wasn't able
to do that for Selena Gomez, so it felt like
that on a professional level, Selena Gomez just completely cut
her off.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, absolutely, And then speaking of that whole like edit
and everything, in twenty twenty, Selena Gomez, I think Demi
Levado like to performed at a big award show, and
Selena Gomez put up a thing on Instagram saying that
she was so proud of her and she was amazing.
And then I got the exact quote up for this
because I wanted to make sure that my because it's
from like twenty twenty, I wanted to make sure that
my facts were correct. So in an interview with Harpers Bizarre,
(27:08):
Demi Lovado was asked about Selena Gomez making this show
of support and what she thought of it, and Demi said,
when you grew up with somebody, always going to have
love for them. But we're not friends anymore. So the
instagram post felt and then the magazine writer said she
stopped mid sentence and she just paused for a long
time because obviously she said, I'm not friends with her,
(27:29):
and she's deciding whether or not she kind of goes
fully into the story or not. But then she pulled back,
probably knowing the headlines that would come from it, and said,
I will always have love for her, and I wish
her nothing but the best. I wish her nothing but
the best. Is what you say about someone that you
have no intention of really speaking with again? Really yeah, yeah, don't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You think, oh my god, well I guess so, or like.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
A stranger or someone you're a stranger. I wish them
nothing but the best, but I wish to have no
contact with them. Is the vibe?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, yeah, that changes thing. But also yeah, h I
feel like she has to like she has to be
so careful, right, Like the pr Selena Gomez machine is
in full strength.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yes, And that's again bringing us back to what happened
this week, because the reason people are talking about this
is obviously so many people like yourself and me too,
grew up with these people, with Selena and Demi, and
everyone wants to see this big friendship reunion. They have
posted little things together over the years, like at an event,
they'll be in a photo together, like.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
There was a photo that went viral in twenty seventeen. Yeah,
and they were together. But I also think, like, what's
really bad, like shitty about being a celebrity of this level,
especially when you're a child celebrity, is that you really
can't just have seasonal friends. Yeah, like people live off
celebrity friendships and then when they're just like not friends anymore,
which happens to everyone like there sometimes you'll be like
(28:45):
you're never like, I don't know many people who are
still friends with people they did a job with when
they were nine years old.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
There's so many people who I was I've been really
close friends with in my adult life and we just
because we've moved cities and jobs have just drifted apart
and that's fine, and we were in the public life,
they would look very scandal because.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
There's so many people who are obsessed with that friendship.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I think that's why when Demi Levado was asked this
week and Watch What Happens Live asked recently, she kind
of went like really full force, very positive, and she
was like, the album's amazing. I've listened to it so
many times. She named a song, so I think she
was like very prepared that she might be asked about
this or she's listening to the album like I don't
want to discredit her. And then she talked about Selena
Gomez's upcoming wedding, which is reported to be this month
(29:26):
or next month, like it's really soon to Benny Blanco
and said she was so excited for her and really
and like but also very much in ferry that she
obviously wasn't going to the wedding, which is fair enough.
But what I also thought about that is like every
time these girls from the early two thousands who had
these very public feuds, so like Damie Levado, Selena Gomez,
Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, whenever they're asked about them, they
(29:48):
always kind of laugh it off and say, oh, but
we're married now, Like we're married now, we don't fight,
and I always isn't that really weird that they've all
got this thing of like marriage like erases like any
bad behavior, it erases any suity. Like it's like, yeah,
like once you're married, you're a properly adult and then
you don't have time for feuds and like you think differently,
like you're a different person. I just don't think that's true.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
But it's I know, I think it's true in the
sense that like that's how the public perceived them now. Yeah,
like if you think about it, also, DEMI recently got married.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's the other thing. Yeah, that's what she was kind
of inferring from the comment. I think she's like, I'm
married now, so I'm an adult. Selena's getting married, so
she's an adult, so we would never fight anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, It's like she's leaning into that whole notion that
now she's married and she's putting out new music, this
is like the first bout of positive pr Demi Levada
has gone in a really, really long time. And she's
probably saying that, like, oh, now you guys like me
because I'm married. Yeah, And I feel like she's probably
so sick of it that she's just leaning in and
going like, you know what, I actually don't want to
deal with this anymore, So I'm just gonna lean in.
(30:48):
If you like me, fine. I hate that this is
the reason why, but I do not want to start anything.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right now exactly. I think that's also why even when
like Britney Spears got married, everyone was celebrating that. Obviously
there was a whole thing about her coming out of
the conservative ship, but it was also like, oh, now
she's like a proper adult and she won't have any
of these issues anymore, and I just want to Yeah.
I find it really weird that all of these celeb
girls who we love think that, like the idea of
marriage is kind of like the rebranding they needed. It's
(31:15):
almost like the public will give them a second chance now,
which they kind of do. I do think that, like
with all these quote unquote kind of like comebacks of
like Demi Levado and Lindsay Lohan and everyone, that we
wouldn't have accepted them if they hadn't been like married
with kids and all that sort of stuff. I agree
if they and I just think that I would be
more I mean a shit, it's like shit right, yeah, yeah,
(31:36):
like you.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Think, like Lindsay Lowen, like and it's so true, like
with the freaking of Friday Premier and like the press
junkets that they were doing when they were in Australia
and internationally, a lot of the questions Lindsay was being
asked was about being a mother.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, And I'm like.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Would you guys even like consider her as this like
a successful movie or successful piece of content if she
wasn't a mother, if she wasn't married, Like, I think
it's just it's really it sucks, but I think it's
also just a safe place for celebrity women to be in.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, and exactly it's the same thing with Paris Hilton,
Like when she got married all of a sudden. She
every time anyone asked her about any of her because
she said so many public feuds, and I guess a
lot of the people she feuded with are coming back
into the spotlight. She was like, oh no, no, we
would never like we're married now. Like it's I understand
saying like we were young then, because like you obviously
changed from when you're young to being an adult. But
I think that's kind of a strange thing. And I
(32:26):
also have a lot of hope for Hillary Duff doing
a press too with her new music and her documentary,
because Hillary Duff, notoriously over the years will talk smack
about anyone.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I love including you.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But even the same thing with Taylor Swift, right, yeah,
Like it's like when she announced her engagement, it's like
this worldwide sense of relief, like she's finally found the person,
just finally settled down. And I'm like, if she just
stayed single her whole life and was happy with being that, yeah,
we would never be happy with that.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
No, the world would not have said that. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I don't subscribe to that.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Bring back women fighting publicly. No, I don't mean that.
Bring back single women fighting, Yeah yeah, Let single women
fight and tear each other down. Let the world heal. Well,
thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.
Please don't cancel us for those last comments. We'll do
leave us a review.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We won't mind.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And obviously it's a huge day across the world. But
also here at the Spill because the Summer I Turned
Pretty finale was just last night. So as we said,
tomorrow's episode of the Spill is our brutally honest review
of this season. Strapping guys, we're going to say things
that no one should ever say.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
On a podcast, emphasis on the brutal.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
And if you want even more content about the Summer
I Turned Pretty, head over to the spills watch Party
feed where we have a brand new podcast and for
Jenny Haun' super fans, you'll even hear a little bit
from Jenny Hahn herself. So just search watch Party wherever
you get your podcasts, and click to follow so you
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Speaker 2 (33:54):
Forget to follow us on TikTok and Instagram. We are
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episodes on YouTube. We'll put a link to our show
notes in that The Spill is produced by Minitius Warren
and we'll be back here on your podcast feed for
a week and watch at six am and then again
three pm tomorrow for a brutally honored view of the
summer turned pretty Bye bye
Speaker 1 (34:19):
H
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill,
your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm
(00:31):
Anne Vernon and coming up on the show's today, Victoria
Beckham has released the trailer for her new documentary series
and it's come at a perfect yet scandalous time. So
we're going to get into that. Plus, Oh, I feel
silly saying feud, but let's call it what it is.
A feud from the early two thousands has reared its
ugly head again between Selena Gomez and Demi Lovado. There
(00:52):
have been comments. We're going to get into the whole backstory.
There's a lot to say.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But first I have to make an apology.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh for my voice.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh sorry, a little BTS moment here on the Spill.
My voice is slowly going. I don't really sound like this,
and I know people are going to be mad because
people don't like my voice.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
When it's good. We never heard anyone say that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I've seen a few. I've seen a few angry people.
So I'm just putting it out there, my voice heard.
We've been doing a lot of work stuff that includes
a lot of speaking.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So em can't even look at me at the moment
because we spent the last what four or five days together,
and by it together.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I don't even mean like going home, like we've been
staying in hotels together. We've been having all three meals together, we've.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Been running through airport. It's only missing our flights together,
driving cars on dangerous roads.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Those first day in like three weeks where we're not
going to be together.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
To miss me, I'll call you. Think it will feel weird,
feel weird, I'll call you. But anyway, in case you
missed it, the summer I turned pretty. Last episode series finale,
season three, aired yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We have a lot of thoughts. We're not going to
go into them now because we are doing a brutally
honest review tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, guys, strap in for that. It's going to be huge.
Emma's she's got so many thoughts to say about this final.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And we actually haven't talked about it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We haven't. We're saving it for the pot. Also, your
body is like shaking in like anger in it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
When I say that brutally honest, I'm saying eighty brutal.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I end up defending those poor Fisher boys, aren't I
from you, you tyrant.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It'll be good, guys, It'll be good. Won't be too angry.
But anyway, the last episode ed yesterday. If you watched
the last episode, there was a beautiful letter at the
end of the episode by Jenny Hahn, who wrote the show,
was a big producer on the show, and she also
wrote the Summer I Turned Pretty books that the show
is based on. She's a well known name in Hollywood,
and they displayed this letter from her, just thanking the
(02:48):
fans for being on Belly's journey, saying that the series
made so much to her and the story mats meant
so much to her. So Jenny Hahn actually put this
letter at the end of the episode, and this is
a part of the letter that everyone just keeps talking about.
It said, maybe we will meet again one summer in cousins.
After that episode ed, there was a few hours of
(03:09):
all of us gossiping, going, oh my god, what a
great end to a lovely story.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Really were people saying that it's a very different vime.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I need to find your friends and then we get
a post an announcement, if you will, from Prime Video
saying that the summer I Turn Pretty Story is going
to continue and they're in works on a movie that
Jenny harn is also going to be writing. Yes, I
am not happy.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh you're not happy. Okay, I was done.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I was done with it. I prepared myself, I prepared
my body, I prepared my mind for this to be
the final element of the summer I Turned Pretty Story
for barey Story, and they already pushed it right like.
I think it was two episodes after the original story finished,
so they'd already given us like a little bit extra,
and they're giving us a lot extra. And the thing is,
(04:03):
I had such certain theories about the final episode that
I want to get into the briarly honest reviews. I
don't want to. Yes, yes, but I feel like they're
all just going to be going in the bin now
that there's a movie coming out.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yes, I understand why you're a bit upset. I think
the timing of it is interesting that they didn't announce
it until after the finale had aired, because they wanted
all eyes on the finale and unlike and just like
that it does feel like this was all planned out.
It wasn't like a stileopdust decision to make it that way.
They wanted people to go into the finale feeling like
it was this huge worldwide moment, which it felt like,
(04:35):
and then have the movie be like a little extra
delight at the end. I'll just say this about Jenny
harneh into that woman before twice, and she is not.
She has the interview some authors and they just very
like in the world with their characters, and she's that.
But she's also she's a bit like Shonda Rhymes and
that she's also like a master like content creator, world builder, publicist,
(04:57):
so like she's a bit of publicist in her where
she was like, we have this worldwide moment. This doesn't
come along very often, like once in a generation you
have people get invested in a love triangle like this.
We can't end it at season three. So that's why
the movie is coming out. This is why she stretched
the book. This is why they're doing these different press tours.
This is why there's all these East strikes built in.
This is why particular songs are used. It's about building
(05:19):
this big universe away.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Don't you feel like that. Now they're just like ringing
out a dry rag.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Is that a saying yeah? It is no, No, that's
a correct saying yeah, because you ring out a dry rag,
nothing comes out no, no, no. I can see why you
think that. And sometimes when things are coming back, like
I'm the first to jump on and down and be angry,
be like, there's no need to bring that back. But
this does feel like it ended at a moment where
you need a movie because I'm assuming the movie will
be about their wedding and you it would have felt
(05:46):
too much.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And too everything, like but like, why does she have
to get married twice?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Well, she hasn't been married yet, judge mend Oh my god,
she's had a rehearsal dinner, but not a wedding. But
I'm assuming this will pick frountil cortex hasn't been developed yet. Well,
that's why they're doing the movie, Emily, because I'm assuming
there'll be a five year time jump, so she'll be
twenty seven. That was really quick match for me. So
she'll be twenty seven. Yeah, a child bride, Yeah, very
much a child bride. But well, she was getting married
(06:11):
at twenty ones. This is slightly better that'sn't even bad.
Her frontal lope has formed at this point, So I'm
assuming it'll be the wedding and it'll be one of
those classic kind of moments where like all these characters
have had these huge lives and they all come back
together at the cousin's house for this wedding and drama ensues.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh my god, because it's like where.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Taylor and Steven, what about Jeremiah and what's her name
with the curly hair? Who? We'll get into that tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I just know Adam still has those champagnes.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, and it brings out the champagne is the wedding,
and Jeremiah is like from my wedding, so good. Laurel's
there being like I stopped this once, I'll stop it
again and don't tempt me with a good time. The
scene is set for huge drama, yeah something, and then
she'll get to read Susanna's letter, which we never got
(06:57):
that's because she didn't open it. There are too many
little loose ends. It's like it would have been too
much to tack their wedding on to the finale, because
it would have felt like an afterthought of having this
big ending in the justing at the end needs a
whole movie.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Emily, Well, obviously, I'm gonna watch it at least three times.
I'm not happy about it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Took that into my veins. Well, at least we've got
we've they haven't even started filming it yet, so we've
got at least a year.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh thank god.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So I'll see you back here in a year for
a brutally honest review of the Summer Return. Pretty movie.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I feel like someone at Netflix has been reading my
dream journal because one of my biggest dreams this year
has come true. Not even joking. A new Victoria Beckham
documentary is coming our way October nine on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It seems so excited about this.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Excited.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I know, I know a lot of people are excited.
I did watch it. See.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The thing is, it's like I watched the original Dave
and Victoria Beckham documentary.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You mean I watched that, and I watch a trailer
for this new documentary. I'm intrigued by it because she
was not my era.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yes, so I'm okay, we get it. You're young. Just
so I know. The spice skills are for everyone.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm excited to see. So only together for two millennials
and gen X women that are like so obsessed with
Victoria Beckham because I just like completely missed her.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh okay, well here's your chance to catch up. She's
coming back around again.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Is she your favorite Spice girl?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I can't be a favorite. I feel like I'm little
most like her. I thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
What am I most like?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Yes, Oh,
she's the stylish cool one. Okay, aren't they all pretty
cool in different ways? Who am I? Okay? Your baby
is that bad? It's not bad, it's just a fact.
Which wan's that? Are you kidding me? I don't know, Okay,
(08:50):
I didn't think we'd have to do this in this segment.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I know Jerry because she's married to Christian Horner.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, weird way to know about.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I know mel C because we interviewed her recently. Yes,
I know because she's in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yes, okay, so you know a few of them. So
if the Spillers could just talk amongst themselves for a
second while I tell Emily who the Spice girls are,
because our listeners, I.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Know I'm gonna get bulled.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So Emma Bunton is Baby Spice.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Oh I don't know that one.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm so stressed by this.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I got even she Baby Spies because she was the youngest.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, because when they were all put into this group together,
So the Spice girls all came together as a manufactured
pop girl group. They all went to some little weird
warehouse somewhere in London and auditioned, went all through these rounds.
It's like what you see on TV shows now, but
it wasn't televised. It was just the studio trying to
put them together. And once they were put together, they
were all kind of given personas that kind of matched
who they were by the studio, but it was sort
(09:42):
of it was all marketing. So you had like Scary Spice,
Sporty Spice, Ginger Spice, Baby Spice, and Posh Spice.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
If I walked into a room of executives and they
called me Scary Spies, I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Going to be really racial undertones. Yeah, I discussed at
the time that have been now. But Emma Bunton was
that because she was the blonde, cutesy looking one and
so they would alsays dress her in the little baby
doll dresses and cogtails and the carpenter. Yeah, okay, is
overly sexualized or yeah, it's a cutesy one.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Em So.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
The documentary, which has nothing to do with the Spig
even about the Spiccyles. Can I just say it isn't
a while the Spiccyles. We still talk about them now.
They were only together for barely two years. No over
nearly thirty years ago. Actually yeah, yeah, but they just
their their force on the world and they impact so huge.
I know. Oh my god, we just closed that before
(10:38):
Jerry left the band. Yeah, it was a whole thing
to get into F one. No, okay, to go solo?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Got it? I heard she was the best singer.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
No, Melcy is the best singer. Got it.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, I'm gonna shut up now.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm going to lend you my copy of the unauthorized
Spy Skills biography that I got at the book fair
in I'm saying nineteen which not not them, it's the
unauthorized deography.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But also you should.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Know about Victoria Beckham because she's been famous. I know
about Victoria Beckham, not from this conversation. You don't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
She just did not like I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know what I mean, well, okay, so this documentary
is for you because while the David Victoria one was
like a peek inside like their marriage and their life,
so you saw back from footage from their early days
they talked about that, you saw them in their home now,
all that sort of stuff. This one is a bit
more centered on Victoria, and it's centered very much in
her building this fashion label because Emily, when the Spice
(11:32):
Girls broke up, she was not not She was no
one as being like fashionable on like a pop star level,
but she wasn't high fashion, and she desperately wanted to
be in high fashion, so she started the Victoria Beckham brand,
and the fashion community shunned her. There's even all these
reports of like when she was trying to be high fashion.
Design houses would be like calling their pr agents and saying,
why is Victoria wearing our clothes on red carpets? Get
(11:55):
her out of them, and they're like, we're not giving
them to her. You know how most celebrities they get
dressed by a designer. You either go to a gifting
suite of closes a centover and they'd say, we can't
stop her. She's buying them from the shop. She's going
into shops and maybe they hate her so much because
she wasn't seen as high fashion, was seen as because
she went through art and this is a great Victoria
Beckham era. She went through like a very tacky fashion
(12:15):
phase and like the best way, like hot pants, like
crop top corsets.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
When she wore that bag, everyone be like, WHOA.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well, potentially yeah, And that's when she had like a
big boob job and she had like the super long
blonde hair extensions and like you know, wearing ugs out
and about like that kind of really early two thousands vibe.
And then she went kind of very chic high fashion.
And when she built her fashion label, it took a
long time for it to be successful, and there's all
these things about David Beckham having to give her the
money and for a long time the company was like
(12:43):
she says it in the trailer and she's like we
were in the red, like they were just losing money
for such a long time. So it's taken her over
a decade to be like a credible fashion person. And
this is why the documentary is.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Like trying a lot. In the trailer, Yeah, she does
cry a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
She's talking about like she has always said she got
hugely bullied at school. I don't know if that's true
or not, because she kept she's doing that a little
bit of that.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Megati every celebrity to get bullied. I know I got bullied,
but I'm not a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You now you're the baby spices of the podcast Studio. Well,
I mean, she does that Megan Michael thing where she
talks about really being ugly as a kid. But in
the documentary, these photos come up and I was like,
you look pretty beautiful to be.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But also she.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Could have been bullied for many reasons. She's always talked
about that, so I feel like it was a huge
part of her life. So the documentary is talking a
bit about her child and her life, about her leaving
the Spice Girls. There's that moment where she says in
the trailer about what happened. People thought I.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Was that miserable cow that never smiled, but I do.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Don't be shocked. I have never.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Forgotten where I come from.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Performing was my dream.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The Spy s Girls made me accept who I am,
and then all of a sudden it stopped.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And in the lead up to a fashion show, and
that's why she's crying because she's talking about her family
not being proud of her and her business not surviving
because it was seen as like would have been a huge,
like worldwide public failure if she'd throw everything into this
fashion career and the world had rejected it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Right, So what question does everyone want to be answered
in this documentary? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, it's interesting. I think it's come at such a
good time for her because she and David got just
this beautiful piece of pr from the first documentary they
did together. Do you remember how much everyone like fell
in love with them. Everyone forgot about a lot of
the crazy cheating scandals and all these things that they
were like an estranged couple who just had a business arrangement,
like all of a sudden, that just the video of
(14:46):
them dancing together and the videos of them like being
in their house and everything, all of a sudden people
just loved them. So I think it gave them this
beautiful positive pr that you really can't buy. It like
has to be a moment. And the trailer seems a
little bit like that where David says to her, like,
we'd be proud of you if you made a cheese
sandwich and she's like, well, I can't make a cheese sandwich. Yeah,
facts Brooklyn can. Well that's the other thing. So I
(15:08):
think it's gonna be really interesting because obviously they'll have
to a lot of press in the lead up to
the documentary coming out in October, but they haven't been
in the spotlight since this whole story of the feud
with Brooklyn and his wife Nikola Pelts blew up in
such a huge way. And you know that there'll be
a premiere where all the kids are all dressed in
Victoria Beckham at and yeah, I think it'll be so
(15:28):
telling if Brooklyn and Nicola aren't there. But obviously this
production has been in the works for like over a
year at least, so it would have been started before
the whole feud story blew up. So that's the thing.
It's really going to come to a head. Like they haven't.
No one said anything publicly about Brooklyn Beckham being estranged
from his family, but I feel like the documentary is
going to address it. Not only just don't stress it,
(15:51):
you just see it in the pr roll out of it.
And I think also it will inda Victoria Beckham to
a whole new group of people who she's been taking
a bit of a hit in this whole Brooklyn Nicola thing,
people sort of thinking that maybe she's a terrible mother
in law, that she's overbearing, that she ruined their wedding,
Like that's the story. That's the story of why they
had the vow renewal, because the allegation is that Victoria
(16:13):
Beckham ruined their first wedding. So Brooklyn Nicola went and
had a wedding with just her family to kind of
erase the first wedding, right, So she took a bit
of a hit in that. But I think people are
gonna watch this documentary and now see this vulnerable side
of her, you know how documentary is, like they shape
this person to this incredible person. You're seeing the story,
so you get very on their side. I think it'll
(16:35):
do that, yeah, Evran, Yeah yeah. Evil Longoria was like
leading the charge of welcoming Dave, and when David Victoria
Beckham relocated to la she was throwing them parties. All
of a sudden. She and Victoria were pictured together all
the time and they've been like really best friends ever since.
And Evel Longoria is the one who often like jumps
in and like defends them from tabloid rumors and all
(16:58):
that sort of stuff, So front and center in the documentary,
she's like, don't say anything about my best friend.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
My best friend Victoria.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So yeah, October nine on Netflix. I can't wait. I
can't absolutely and I can't wait you to learn who
Posh spices. Finally, Okay, well, I feel like my spice
girl's Victoria Beckham. Announcement fell a little flat with you
because I didn't realize we're on different levels of the fandom.
So man, please go again. Can I go again with
another announcement? Thank you? Camp Rock three officially happening. Jonah's
(17:30):
Brothers are back. Demi Levado's back.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh my god, I wait. So Danny's also coming.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
She's executive producing. I don't know what her like official
role in the movie will be, but she's like all
she's involved in it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm so excited. I know you guys touched on it
in the spill where we had our producer One's.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
In where the biggest Jonah's Brothers fan the entire world, And.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Guys, I'm not even joking. I think moniesia like pittures
a Jonah's brother story every week, yeap, and like not
much is happening with them, so she's really digging for
the guitar just in the world. What I like about
the Jonah's Brothers right now is that they're really leaning
into their trio dynamic. Yes, if you're a big Jonahs
Brothers girl, like Mini Cha more than me. There was
(18:12):
a period of time that was really stressful for us
Jonah's Brothers fans because they all wanted to do their
solo things. Nick went solo, Joe went solo with another band,
Kevin had his reality TV show Living with Jonas that
the brothers didn't want to be part of at all.
So they were kind of like separated. And now they
come back and they're really leaning into their brotherhood. And
(18:33):
I think that came as really good press for Joe Jonas,
especially after everything that happened with Sophie Turner, except everyone
just forgot about that completely and all of those like
court documents, Like since he's been on this big tour,
this Jonas Brother's tour anyway, Camp Rock three it's massive.
If you haven't watched Camp Rock one or Camproc two,
it is really great cinema, so many memes have come
(18:55):
out of it. Do you know if Alison Stone's coming back.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I don't know. That'd be interesting because she's just become
a New York Times bestseller. Yeah, and I think there
was something in it about Camp Rox, so maybe not
that she was meant to be the lead and then
they put Demi instead of her. Oh my god, drama,
So maybe not.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Maybe she'll come back as the lead.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That'd be so great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Redemption, Redemntion and the Jonahs' brothers just pretty much play themselves. Look,
they're not the greatest actors, so they can only play themselves.
Even then, the glodian show they had was them playing themselves.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's fine. Am I gonna have to watch camp Rock now?
And I've watched it?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, Okay, okay, we have to do a brilliance review
don't say that of Spice Girls, and then then briodley
on review of Camprock.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh Jesus, we have to. We have to if the
people want it, let us know. Anyway, We're actually not
here today to talk about Camp Rock. What I was
just throwing that in so you felt included. What are
we talking about? Because Damie Lovado has been doing quite
a bit of press in this last week, and she
went on with a loose segway. No, no, she's well,
I don't know if that. She's obviously building up to
(19:56):
announcing the official Camp Rock movie and she's got her
own music and things coming out. But she went on
Watch What Happens Live and she was asked about Selena
Gomez's new album. Oh my god, Now this is interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think anyone just wants to see the world burn.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Because Selena Goromerz and Demi Lovado were friends from the
very very early days of their careers, right.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, they started as best friends on Barney when they
were like literal children, and then they both grew up
on Disney Channel, Selena on Wizards of Waverley Place, Demi
on Sunny with a Chance, And then they had a
movie together called The Princess Protection Program.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Oh Look at Your Face Lighting, which.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Is one of the best movies ever because this was
like this came after Disney really leant into their friendship
as a product and everyone was obsessed with them and
they had their little YouTube channel and everything, and yeah,
one of the best movies ever and the outfits are
crazy good.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, they had one of those friendships that people were
so invested in that it became monetized in a huge way.
So the pressure was always on them to really perform.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It was always them two versus Miley and her best
friend Mandy. Oh all right, yeah yeah yeah. They would
like each so each duo would make so I'm going
on a tangent on your second, you know, I love it.
Each duo would make YouTube videos when YouTube was just
kicking off. Yeah, and like Selena and Demi would post
a YouTube video and then Mandy and Miley would post
(21:16):
a YouTube video mocking their YouTube really and it would
just go back and forth, like I didn't know that
it was insane.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It was an insane part.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It was like the most insane time to be on YouTube.
I hate that we're on YouTube now. We should have
been on YouTube in two thousand and nine. Yeah, but
I'm like so important. It's better than just watching a podcast.
It was insane, and they always just had like the
Sepia filter. It was so I was peak. I would
get home from school and the first thing I would
do is like let my laptop load while I like
would take off. It was like it would like heat
(21:45):
my thighs because I was like loading his YouTube video
ongoing medical and I had my camp Rock posters on
the back.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh I told it time to be alive.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Anyway, Well, it's so interesting that you bring that up
because that very public feuding was such a thing from
the early two thousand. Yeah, not just with the female
stars at the time, Like a lot of men do
it too, but women just did it better. They had
better insuls, they had better stories, more interesting stories. Yeah,
we didn't care about the men.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Can we just slap each other when you're done?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, exactly. Women, it's like an it's like an art.
So everyone was very invested in Demi and Selena, and
then they had like quite a big friendship falling out,
sort of like mid two thousands, I want to say,
And there was a lot of back and forth around
like they had reading between the lines, like having your
friendship monetized. I think it became more of a job
(22:34):
for them and less about friendship. But there was also
the Taylor Swift factor.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I remember that the Taylor Swift factor was a big
one because Taylor and Selena got very, very close, and
it's been rumored at the reason they got really close
was because at the time Taylor was dating Joe Jonas
and Selena was dating Nick Jonas, so they were just
hanging out with each other, whereas like Miley was also
dating Nick Jonas and he was kind of going in
(22:59):
between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So god, Like that's like, if I had to go
back in a time and I could be a fly
on any wall, it would be Nick Jonas's relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's like they asked. It's like those movies where you
get asked, like what moment in time do you want
to go look back on or what moment what moment
from your life do you want to read live? And
you like, I want to go back to the YouTube
days of Nick Jonas and Demi Lovado's.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Nick Jonas was like the it guy, like obviously, like
everyone either loved Joe Jonas or no one really liked Kevin.
I know he's so hot now, so it's fine. He's fine,
is he?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yea yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Oh my god. He did like a solo show the
other day, like he sang for the first time.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh I saw people going crazy, amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, my god. Anyway, Nick Jonas and then he was
diagnosed with dice. Coming to please, He was diagnosed with diabetes.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I'm glad you laughed at attendent. I'm like, I'm sorry
we laughing.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
At I'm not laughing about this. It's because the Jonahs
brothers now laugh about it. Because when Nick was diagnosed
with diabetes on Disney Channel, Disney Channel really made it
sound like he was dying. They really went in and
like there was like these girls who look like Nick.
Girls were like crying. They were like candles out for me.
And like, now the Jonah's brothers take the piss because
(24:09):
Disney Channel they made to.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
A group of vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It was so bad.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
They're like, oh my god, we can sell like pray
fin t shirts to make it. That's literally what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I was so scared of this meant like this man
was going to die on me. And look he's like fine,
he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well he's notoriously fine. He's got a hot wife and
and a music career.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, but that's like kind of what started. I guess defude,
because also Demi and Joe had a brief moment together
and then.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
From Camp Rocky from Camp Rock.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And then Demi and Nick ended up being really really
good friends and they also did a few like music
gigs together after that, like they did like a carple
karaoke with James Corden and stuff like that much later,
But there was a huge rift between Selena and Demi,
and neither of them have like confirmed or denied that
that's happened. Like Selena is a type of person that
(25:07):
would never ever confirm something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean she's kind of online and MESSI a little bit, right, oh,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
She loves deleting her Instagram and say I'm done and
then coming back two days later.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, and she loves getting in the comments of videos
like again, she's really across what's happening. Well, the whole
reason is I remember that. I think it was like
early two thousands when Demi was at an event. She
was signing photos her fans and everyone was filming her,
and one of the fans goes with her on camera
how Selena, Like you haven't spoken to Selena? Like how
is she like warning this bit of their friendship? And
Demi kind of looks into the camera and is like,
(25:40):
I don't know, ask Taylor. Yeah, first kind of sign, right,
that was the first sign that Demi Levada was kind
of blaming her breakup friendship with of Selena Gomez with
Taylor Slift, and then it became very much like those
two against her. And then Demi also made some comments
over the years that she didn't kind of love Taylor
Swift's squad and she was kind of inferring that it
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was excluding people and she didn't like to behave like that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But also at that in that same vein, I feel
I really do feel for Demi here, because she has
been through a really tough time, yeah, especially being a
child actor, like she's gone through rehab multiple times, She's
had to face so much hardship, and I feel like
Selena Gomez was so focused on having like the good
girl edit that she couldn't allow anything to taint that,
(26:25):
and Taylor Swift for the longest time also had that
same edit. Yes, so their friendship just not only worked
on a personal level because they were both getting so
so famous, but professionally it just looked good and did
so well for their brand, and Demi Lovato wasn't able
to do that for Selena Gomez, so it felt like
that on a professional level, Selena Gomez just completely cut
her off.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, absolutely, And then speaking of that whole like edit
and everything, in twenty twenty, Selena Gomez, I think Demi
Levado like to performed at a big award show, and
Selena Gomez put up a thing on Instagram saying that
she was so proud of her and she was amazing.
And then I got the exact quote up for this
because I wanted to make sure that my because it's
from like twenty twenty, I wanted to make sure that
my facts were correct. So in an interview with Harpers Bizarre,
(27:08):
Demi Lovado was asked about Selena Gomez making this show
of support and what she thought of it, and Demi said,
when you grew up with somebody, always going to have
love for them. But we're not friends anymore. So the
instagram post felt and then the magazine writer said she
stopped mid sentence and she just paused for a long
time because obviously she said, I'm not friends with her,
(27:29):
and she's deciding whether or not she kind of goes
fully into the story or not. But then she pulled back,
probably knowing the headlines that would come from it, and said,
I will always have love for her, and I wish
her nothing but the best. I wish her nothing but
the best. Is what you say about someone that you
have no intention of really speaking with again? Really yeah, yeah, don't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You think, oh my god, well I guess so, or like.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
A stranger or someone you're a stranger. I wish them
nothing but the best, but I wish to have no
contact with them. Is the vibe?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, yeah, that changes thing. But also yeah, h I
feel like she has to like she has to be
so careful, right, Like the pr Selena Gomez machine is
in full strength.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yes, And that's again bringing us back to what happened
this week, because the reason people are talking about this
is obviously so many people like yourself and me too,
grew up with these people, with Selena and Demi, and
everyone wants to see this big friendship reunion. They have
posted little things together over the years, like at an event,
they'll be in a photo together, like.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
There was a photo that went viral in twenty seventeen. Yeah,
and they were together. But I also think, like, what's
really bad, like shitty about being a celebrity of this level,
especially when you're a child celebrity, is that you really
can't just have seasonal friends. Yeah, like people live off
celebrity friendships and then when they're just like not friends anymore,
which happens to everyone like there sometimes you'll be like
(28:45):
you're never like, I don't know many people who are
still friends with people they did a job with when
they were nine years old.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
There's so many people who I was I've been really
close friends with in my adult life and we just
because we've moved cities and jobs have just drifted apart
and that's fine, and we were in the public life,
they would look very scandal because.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
There's so many people who are obsessed with that friendship.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I think that's why when Demi Levado was asked this
week and Watch What Happens Live asked recently, she kind
of went like really full force, very positive, and she
was like, the album's amazing. I've listened to it so
many times. She named a song, so I think she
was like very prepared that she might be asked about
this or she's listening to the album like I don't
want to discredit her. And then she talked about Selena
Gomez's upcoming wedding, which is reported to be this month
(29:26):
or next month, like it's really soon to Benny Blanco
and said she was so excited for her and really
and like but also very much in ferry that she
obviously wasn't going to the wedding, which is fair enough.
But what I also thought about that is like every
time these girls from the early two thousands who had
these very public feuds, so like Damie Levado, Selena Gomez,
Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, whenever they're asked about them, they
(29:48):
always kind of laugh it off and say, oh, but
we're married now, Like we're married now, we don't fight,
and I always isn't that really weird that they've all
got this thing of like marriage like erases like any
bad behavior, it erases any suity. Like it's like, yeah,
like once you're married, you're a properly adult and then
you don't have time for feuds and like you think differently,
like you're a different person. I just don't think that's true.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
But it's I know, I think it's true in the
sense that like that's how the public perceived them now. Yeah,
like if you think about it, also, DEMI recently got married.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's the other thing. Yeah, that's what she was kind
of inferring from the comment. I think she's like, I'm
married now, so I'm an adult. Selena's getting married, so
she's an adult, so we would never fight anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, It's like she's leaning into that whole notion that
now she's married and she's putting out new music, this
is like the first bout of positive pr Demi Levada
has gone in a really, really long time. And she's
probably saying that, like, oh, now you guys like me
because I'm married. Yeah, And I feel like she's probably
so sick of it that she's just leaning in and
going like, you know what, I actually don't want to
deal with this anymore, So I'm just gonna lean in.
(30:48):
If you like me, fine. I hate that this is
the reason why, but I do not want to start anything.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right now exactly. I think that's also why even when
like Britney Spears got married, everyone was celebrating that. Obviously
there was a whole thing about her coming out of
the conservative ship, but it was also like, oh, now
she's like a proper adult and she won't have any
of these issues anymore, and I just want to Yeah.
I find it really weird that all of these celeb
girls who we love think that, like the idea of
marriage is kind of like the rebranding they needed. It's
(31:15):
almost like the public will give them a second chance now,
which they kind of do. I do think that, like
with all these quote unquote kind of like comebacks of
like Demi Levado and Lindsay Lohan and everyone, that we
wouldn't have accepted them if they hadn't been like married
with kids and all that sort of stuff. I agree
if they and I just think that I would be
more I mean a shit, it's like shit right, yeah, yeah,
(31:36):
like you.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Think, like Lindsay Lowen, like and it's so true, like
with the freaking of Friday Premier and like the press
junkets that they were doing when they were in Australia
and internationally, a lot of the questions Lindsay was being
asked was about being a mother.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, And I'm like.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Would you guys even like consider her as this like
a successful movie or successful piece of content if she
wasn't a mother, if she wasn't married, Like, I think
it's just it's really it sucks, but I think it's
also just a safe place for celebrity women to be in.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, and exactly it's the same thing with Paris Hilton,
Like when she got married all of a sudden. She
every time anyone asked her about any of her because
she said so many public feuds, and I guess a
lot of the people she feuded with are coming back
into the spotlight. She was like, oh no, no, we
would never like we're married now. Like it's I understand
saying like we were young then, because like you obviously
changed from when you're young to being an adult. But
I think that's kind of a strange thing. And I
(32:26):
also have a lot of hope for Hillary Duff doing
a press too with her new music and her documentary,
because Hillary Duff, notoriously over the years will talk smack
about anyone.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I love including you.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But even the same thing with Taylor Swift, right, yeah,
Like it's like when she announced her engagement, it's like
this worldwide sense of relief, like she's finally found the person,
just finally settled down. And I'm like, if she just
stayed single her whole life and was happy with being that, yeah,
we would never be happy with that.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
No, the world would not have said that. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I don't subscribe to that.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Bring back women fighting publicly. No, I don't mean that.
Bring back single women fighting, Yeah yeah, Let single women
fight and tear each other down. Let the world heal. Well,
thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.
Please don't cancel us for those last comments. We'll do
leave us a review.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We won't mind.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And obviously it's a huge day across the world. But
also here at the Spill because the Summer I Turned
Pretty finale was just last night. So as we said,
tomorrow's episode of the Spill is our brutally honest review
of this season. Strapping guys, we're going to say things
that no one should ever say.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
On a podcast, emphasis on the brutal.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
And if you want even more content about the Summer
I Turned Pretty, head over to the spills watch Party
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Jenny Haun' super fans, you'll even hear a little bit
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Speaker 2 (33:54):
Forget to follow us on TikTok and Instagram. We are
at the Spill podcast. You can also watch our full
episodes on YouTube. We'll put a link to our show
notes in that The Spill is produced by Minitius Warren
and we'll be back here on your podcast feed for
a week and watch at six am and then again
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summer turned pretty Bye bye
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