September 25, 2025 • 40 mins
This week a Dawson Creek’s reunion took place in support of James Van Der Beek and now we need to talk about every behind the scenes moment, from the cast reunions to the romantic rumour we probably should’t say out loud…
And Kanye West’s new documentary has been released in the US and there’s one particular scene that is too disturbing to watch.
Plus, Emma Watson has given her first long form podcast in years and she’s spoken about why she had to stop making movies. It’s a story that just might make you tear up.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brudnick and I'm Vernon and coming up on the show today,
the new Carneer Waste documentary has been released in parts
(00:36):
of the world. We're going to get into every disturbing
fact we know about that because a lot of new
information has come out. Plus, Emma Watson has given her
first long form interview in years, and it is full
of revelations about why she hasn't acted in five years,
her relationship with Hollywood. She cried in the interview, maybe
we'll cry talking about it. Who's to say, Who's who's
(00:57):
to say? But first, I've been crying this week for
a very beautiful reason. And it's the Dawson's Creek reunion.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's crazy, really, yes, Oh, like it's crazy that they
did a reunion.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, it's not a reunion the fact that they all
came back and played their characters, because they've all gone
the record and said they would pretty much never do that.
And I think that's the right core. Yeah, I think
leave it in the past. But what it was is
that James Vanderbeek, who played Dawson Leary on the show,
which was a huge, huge, I can't even talk about
what a huge thing this show was when it was
out came to an end in two thousand and three,
(01:33):
so over twenty years ago. Now people still talk about
it all the time. It's one of those kind of
like earth shattering teen shows that people like could touch
their lives to, you know, the one. Yeah, so it's
come out in the last two years that James Vanderbek
who played Dawson, was diagnosed with cancer and this event
was both a fundraiser of a hymn and also for
a cancer foundation, and was organized by Michelle Williams, one
(01:55):
of his co stars.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And so what it was really close, right.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I mean they weren't for a long time, not close.
They were close in the way of like they kind
of went to higher school together because it on this
big teen show, and then they all went off and
had their own careers and life. Yeah, exactly. So the
only two that have remained super close since then Michelle
Williams and Busy Phillips, who played Audrey in the late seasons,
they've been best friends and they call themselves soulmates, which
(02:22):
I love. They're like sometimes they've both had like husbands
and kids and stuff, but they're just like we're each
other's salmtes, like that's just a fact, which I've always loved.
So they've always been close, but really it's the last
couple of years, through James cancer diagnosis that has all
really brought them back together and got them on a
group chat. And so they got back together in New
York to do a live reading of the pilot episode,
(02:45):
and it was really sad because James Vanderbeek at the
last minute couldn't attend because he'd had two stomach flus
and he was really really sick. But the rest of
the cast was there, so Michelle Williams who played Jen Linley,
Joshua Jackson who played Pacey Bitter, Katie Holmes who played
Joey Potter, but also Curse Smith who played Jack and
Meredith Munroe who played Andy, plus like the actors who
(03:06):
played their parents, the actress who played Grams. Pretty much everyone,
pretty much everyone, and it was so good and also
because Michelliams organized it and her husband as a really
well known theater director. It was in the theater where
Hamilton usually plays, and at the last minute, when James
Vanderbeek couldn't attend, Lynn Manuel Miranda stepped in to play
James Vanderbeeks everywhere exactly, and Renee's Goldsberry, who is really
(03:30):
good friends with Busy Phillips because they did Girls five
over together, but also one of the original Hamilton stars.
Mc the night and she opened it up by singing
I don't want to wait and got everyone to sing it,
and then James Vanderbeek's wife came out, but first his
two oldest daughters came out and they sang the song,
which is really cute. So it was a whole situation.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Wait, if Busy was in their latest seasons, was she
there even though it was like a pilot reading.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, she was playing different roles. Oh my god, her
and Joshua Jackson fully passed on stage. It was so
good because their characters were together in the show for
a really long time and they had this like really
fiery relationship.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was in the audience.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh, so you could buy tickets. That was like part
of fun race, so it was media but you could
buy tickets and like lines were snaking around the block,
so it was like a fundraiser and it was being filmed.
I'm hoping they err even like I was sobbing from
just watching the video. So I don't know if we'll
get through that. And like, Dawson Street isn't my favorite
favorite show in the world, but it was. I just
think of like how like you and your friends have
(04:27):
been recently with the Summer I Turn Pretty and how
much you talk about it, yeah, and how much that
like took over your life. Yeah, just imagine that.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I think it's saying any show that had a huge
impact in your life when they're like back together again
and you're watching them interests, like similar to the Friends reunion,
when you're just watching them interact with each.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Other exactly, you see all these memories come back. And
also like the Summer I Turn Pretty, like that was
this for my generation.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Except I don't think they really like each other.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, it was like Summer I Returned Pretty, but like
times ten because it was a love triangle. I mean,
it's about other things this so it's six seasons. That's
a long time, yeah, exactly. And also it was old
school TV so it's six seasons, twenty two episodes and
hour long episodes. So imagine that, and imagine, oh my god,
so many movies. Love triangle started when I was in
(05:14):
primary school and then I graduated high school and it
was coming to an end. Just think about that. And also,
so the triangle was between Dawson. So Dawson's Creek is
about Yeah. So it's like this tiny little town called
Cape Side that's on a creek, and it's Dawson Leary
who's like this teenage boy who's like really creative and
dreams of being a filmmaker, and the person he wants
(05:37):
to be like all through the series is Steven Spielberg,
He's obsessed with Spielberg. Dawson's Creek ends with him getting
a call from Steven Spielberg, not the real, not the
real Steven Spilberger, being like, hey, I want to talk
to about a project. And for this Dawson's Creek reunion,
Steven Spielberg filmed a video. Incented in and he's like, Hey, Dawson,
I just want to just say you made it. I'm
gonna cry, Oh my god. Anyways, so it's Dawson and
(05:59):
then his best friend his whole childhood life is Joey Potter,
this young girl from like the wrong side of the
Track's poor family. Her mum died, her dad's in jail,
her sister's like pregnant to this guy, and everyone's like
she's trash. Basically she's not. And they're best friends. And
her home life is really hard and difficult, so she
often like rows her boat down the creek late at night,
or like runs to Dawson's house at night.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Life's hard, so she rows her boat, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, to like escape her. Like they used to creeks
to Dawson's house and there's a ladder. There's a ladder
outside Dawson's bedroom and she climbs up and they used
to sleep in Scary though, what.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Did they drown?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
No, No, they're fine. Creek's okay. The creek becomes less
of a character as you go on. When I was
in primary school on the show first started, there was
this rumor, you know, like twelve year olds are like, oh,
like this whole thing that everyone's like, oh my god,
it's called Dawson's Creek because at the end, Dawson's going
to die and they're going to put his ashes in
the Creek. That didn't happen, but it would have been
great though. That would have been great if that had
come true. Circle moment, and so Joey would always sleep
(06:58):
in Dawson's bed. They were best friends. And it starts
off with them. This was scant parents, and no their
parents knew. They knew Joey was in there. It's when
they start to be teenager. So the first episode of
Dawson's Creek has them discussing the fact that Joey's like,
I can't sleep over anymore and he's like, why you
always sleep over? That's what we do. And she's like,
but we have genitalia now, and he's like, we've always
had genitalia. At the time, everyone was like, kids can't
(07:19):
watch this show crazy, like this is too sexually explicit.
They said genitalia on TV. It was such a big deal.
I can't even tell you. I remember like parents at
school being like, are you letting your kid watch Dawsons
because I'm not letting my kid watch Dawsons and my
mom being like, you're not allowed to watch this show.
And I was like, but the Creek, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That was like my generation with the Simpsons like half
of you were allowed to watch it and half of
you want.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, it became like a real thing. And then like
Pacy's Dawson's best friend, but he and Joey always hated
each other, never got along. And then Dawson and Joey
start to fall in love. Then he breaks up with
her and he goes to Pacey AND's like, I can't
be around Joey at the moment, but I don't want
her to be alone, so can you please, like spend
some time with her? And Pacey's like, but I rarely
hate her anyway, they fall in love and it is Yeah,
(08:03):
it's enemies to lovers, it's a love triangle.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Enemy to lovers, friends to lovers.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's everything, and like some ten pretty like watching that finale,
everyone's being like, who she's gonna choose? But as we
always said, like people always knew who she was going
to choose in Dawson's Creek. After six seasons, then it
comes to the finale when they're all grown up as adults,
it was still really like who is she gonna choose?
And also there's like the moment Dawson.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Someone at the end.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's Roman, but also against the summer ten
pretty when everyone was like yelling at Belly for like
running and jumping on a train with nothing. My generation
is like, please, we watched Joey Potter run down a
dock and jump onto Pace's boat and say, like, I
choose you. This is the earliest seasons when they get
together for the first time and then sail away for
three months with nothing. Yeah, well, off into the ocean.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Just going around.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's actually and who's there, Like, is there a Stephen
and Taylor character?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I mean there's obviously Michelle Williams plays genuinely the bad
girl who comes from New York who's been sent away
from New York for being back to the Creek, New
York to Cape Side. No, everything, that's the that's the
whole thing. And there's like I guess her friendship with
Jack and stuff, and like they're different romances. But it's
just yeah, it's so good anyway. So that's my review
of Dawson's Creak twenty years later. But yeah, it was
(09:20):
really beautiful to watch the reunion. I watch everyone on stage. Well,
here's the thing, I think you would really love it.
But I think you would really struggle with the first
season because it feels very old school. It just moves
differently to TV shows now. But maybe once you get
into the Pacey Dawson Joey, like the deep love triangle,
you'll be so hooked. And when they go to college
(09:42):
and like they have all these other people joined the cast,
like Chad Michael Murray and stuff, and that's when Busy
Phillips comes along, you will be hooked on the Okay, Okay,
I don't mean to put a piece of gossip at
the end of this, but on stage, Katie Holmes and
Joshua Jackson at the reunion were like scene next to
each other and they were hugging. They were all hugging
on stage. But they're together doing a movie together. And
they did date during the show. I don't think the
date anymow but but I'll just say she put her
(10:04):
head on his shoulder when she's almost started crying, and
it was really beautiful. And then they did get into
the same car together after wards. Now I'm not here
because they could have just all been going to drinks.
I'm sure they're all just all going to dinner and
they just happened to get in the Cardigo, But anyway,
and then James Van der Beek also put up two
beautiful videos on the nine. It was so devastating because
he looks so sick, and I love that man so
(10:24):
much because not only was he Dawson, but he's a
committing genius. So if this Dawson's Creek Green gets streamed
anywhere that we can watch in full, we will let
you guys know. But yeah, it's been an emotional week
for this Dawson's Creek. Then I do want you to
watch it. Can we watch the first episode together? Because
I feel like I need to see if you're.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Like, do a watch party in the office.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
One hundred percent all the girls in our office who
are pining us as summer return. Pretty maybe we just
go back to Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's do that. Yeah, oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It doesn't matter my life. It matters to us and you.
It doesn't matter what the internet says, it matters what weaving.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yay, So what did you have an effect on my
mentor health?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yes? Yes, I'm saying yes, and I'd love you.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So you just heard a clip from a new documentary
that's out now in the US it's called in Whose Name?
And that was Kanye West yelling at Chris Jenna, his
ex mother in law. So this documentary it's not out
in Australia. I don't know when it will be out
or if it will be out, because I know we
(11:41):
have some strict regulations for those kind of things. But
if you are on TikTok at Instagram, you would have
seen so many clips of this documentary all over your feet.
Have you been seeing these?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh my gosh, so many And they're really difficult to watch,
I think anyone who's I'm not saying there's any assertions
of like domestic violence or anything here, but it is
like obviously like a dramatic violent situation within a home
to an extent, because this is, at the end of
the day, this is a family who's going through something
horrific and watching that and if you've ever through anything
like that or being in a relationship like that, like
(12:13):
it is very visceral to watch. Like I find myself
having to sort of almost scroll past. I mean, I'm
watching them for work, but yeah, I wouldn't choose to
watch them.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I've read so many reviews on this whole documentary and
a lot of the reviewers were mentioning in their pieces
that there were some scenes that they couldn't even watch,
Like they had to skip over this Chris Jenna one
was one that a lot of people had to skip
over because it was so aggressive and so violent and scary.
But for me, it was really interesting because I'd see
(12:42):
these clips and I feel like I was the kind
of person when I grew up, like Kanye West was
my favorite artist, Like I loved all of Kanye's songs,
and then I think when I started working and I
became an adult essentially, and things started to get a
bit iffy with him, he was making some crazy remarks
about stuff that was happening in the world. I completely
(13:03):
turned off. Like that was he was a first artist
where I couldn't disconnect the artists from the person and
I couldn't listen to any of his music anymore. Yeah,
And I think that was like we would see headline
after headline about him for years, for a really really
long time, and I think it got to the point
where society in general just stopped engaging in anything he
put out there. So what I found really interesting is
(13:24):
that this documentary is now being talked about by everyone,
and I think the reason why everyone's talking about it
was the way it was made is actually quite interesting.
So it was filmed and directed by a young person
named Nico Balsteros. He was eighteen years old when he
started working for Kanye West full time, and he said
(13:45):
himself he was an art student. When he was younger.
He would DM Kanye and be like, I'd love to
like film like your shows and film events that's happening
in your life. So he was started to like kind
of get into Kanye's circle from a really early age.
And then after Kanye's hospitalization for mental distress in twenty eighteen,
Kanye really wanted to film his bipolar disorder post breakdown journey,
(14:09):
so he employed Nico full time. Nico worked on this
project from twenty nineteen essentially till now. He has over
three thousand hours of footage, most of which is filmed
on his iPhone or on an iPad. And it's interesting
because if you do look at certain paparazzi videos of
Kanye or even on the Kardashians, you do see this kid,
(14:32):
the same kid, these massive like sunglasses I'm assuming their
Balenciagas sunglasses with his iPhone just filming things, and you
think he's just like a fan or like part of
his crew, but he was actually just filming all of
this footage for this documentary. And I think that is
so interesting because he's now been on the presstol for
this documentary. He's been doing a lot of interviews with publications,
(14:55):
and even though this documentary does not paint Kanye West
in a good light at all, like so many people
are wondering why would he ever put something like this out.
There's so much footage of him screaming at Chris Jenna,
screaming at Kim Kardashian. There was a footage of him
where he was confronted by Michael Chay after SNL when
he went completely off script and was complaining about why
(15:18):
do you give black people black characters and just pretty
much going like berating the cast members of SNL. And
he was confronted by Michael Chay and then he completely
cowards and it's like I'm sorry, man, I love you,
I love you, yeah, and Michael cha is like not
giving up.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Why would you do this to me my career, this
is my job, yeah, exactly. Kny's probably never had anyone
push back on him that way, because what we know
about him is that he has been treated like a god,
like this other worldly creature because of his talent. When
he first started a musician, he had a lot of pushback,
as like a lot of musicians do, like you won't
be famous, he won't be vice. But once he started
(15:53):
releasing music, he had this kind of like he was
always traveling with this huge crew of people who always
on his payroll. They treated him like a god. Other
celebrities would just be like, Kanye's incredible at that time
when he was in his first like big wave of success.
And then when you watch the Kardashians, he is really
treated with a real reverence from all of them, with
(16:15):
this again, with this kind of godlike quality from all
of them, Like the way that they all speak to
him is so vastly not that they speak badly to
anyone on the show, but you can just tell that
he came into this incredibly famous, rich family and they
were all just kind of like worshiping him. And I
think that's why he's put this documentary out because to
(16:37):
anyone else, they think, why would you put out a
documentary that shows you at your very worst unfiltered moments,
but he is so aware that there's nothing he can
do to shake that fan base. Like his social account's
got taken away, his record labels dropped him, his most
famous friends turned away from him, but he still has
that huge fan base. And I also wondered, too, is
(16:58):
like because he was on both Keeping Up with the
Kardashians and the Kardashians, and he's filmed in that, but
he must also be very aware that he's being filmed,
but it's the first time he doesn't really have a
say of what's shown and what is Like the Kardashians
are the producers, so I wonder if this is like
him telling his start of the story. He was like, well,
I'm just going to put out my own documentary that
(17:19):
shows all the stuff, because you hear from the Kardashian
producers that they filmed a lot of horrific things with
Kim and Kanye because they have cameras there all the time,
and they were there for the breakdown of the marriage
and all these things. And you see little snippets and
you see Kim Kardashian apologizing on the show to her
family for all the things that Kanye put them through,
but you never see Kane's outburst because Kim Kardashian has
(17:40):
always said she won't show that because of the kids,
and now he's showing it.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And now he's showing it, and there's stuff that he
talks about, like how Kim allegedly wanted an abortion when
she had North, like some things. It's really interesting because
I feel like everything we've seen of him on the
Kardashians now in relation to this seems like such a
good edit. Yeah, and this seems so raw and real,
But I think what's actually doing him justice in this
(18:05):
whole documentary is Niko, who is now twenty six years old.
The way he talks about Kanye makes him sound like
a great person, Like the way he said he was
like all his job was to do was to never
stop filming, Like he didn't have to do anything else.
He was just like, never stop filming. And the only
times that Kanye would pull him up was when he
stopped filming. Kanye was like, no, I want to see everything.
(18:26):
I want you to film everything. And he said that
right from the get go, which gave Nico permission to
always be wherever he is. He had to like change
his whole schedule to fit Kanye, Like it's been reported
that Kanye sleeps three to four hours a day only,
so Nico had to sleep three to four hours a day.
And this is like his whole like early twenties, right
from eighteen to twenty six, Like imagine just doing that
and the fact that Nico also was just in that
(18:48):
world so much like being Kanye, that he didn't actually
see what was happening, like how the world was responding
to what Kanye was doing, like how he lost his
partnership would added Us, which was like the biggest deal
like this partnership would added us Kanye had was like
bigger than any NBA star, Like he was making so
much money from that partnership, and then they dropped him
(19:11):
because he was making anti Semitic comments publicly, the White
Lives Matter thing that he did, the fashion show, like
he filmed every single one of those things. And yet
the way he talks about Kanye was that Kanye was
just very respectful of me and my time and what
I was doing. Interestingly, I feel like that's not something
Kanye would have asked him to do.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To speak well of him, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
He just is. But also like he would be in
this whole world, like that's all he would have known.
Like it's not like he can do this documentary and
then just like move on with his life, like he's
still going to be in that world.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, And it almost feels like he's very programmed to
speak about Kanye that way because it's all he's really
known and he I'm sure that Nico has seen the
worst of him in a way that even some of
the Kardashians or other famous friends haven't seen. But it
has been his whole life. He probably, even if he
wanted to, can't talk badly of him because he's been
programmed not to do that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I think the one thing that these clips that I've
been seeing and the comments on the clips, is that
everyone feels so so so for Kim Kardashian. Like we
knew to an extent of what she was going through,
but actually seeing it and like seeing how she's crying
in every clip and he's just screaming at her and
yelling at her just seems so degrading for someone to
(20:22):
go through, and she has kids and stuff like that.
It just seems like such an interesting career move. But
it's also one of the first career moves in a
really long time. That's actually working for.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Him exactly because I think a lot of people are
like really loving at least his honesty and the fact
that they feel like it's a really unfiltered look. But yeah,
him screaming at Kim Kardashian, I find so because she's
like cowering and she looks so broken. And the other
thing is like there's a whole room full of people
and they're all just standing there with their heads down
a lot of the time because they don't want They're like, oh,
this is They're either thinking this is a private moment.
(20:55):
I don't want to be involved, or like, no one
speaks back to Kane, like that's the rule in his house.
But he's screaming at her so aggressively, and she just
looks like a broken person. And you do think, like,
if there's three thousand hours of footage and we're seeing
like the tiniest little collection of that, what isn't in there?
Do you think that there's anything that Kanye would have
taken out?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, And Nico says in his interviews that like he
saw two edits and in the final version, and even
while he was filming there was nothing about Kanye going
don't film this, you shouldn't film this, like why are
you filming this? Like Nico said, there was nothing like that,
Like I just held the camera the whole time and
he made like maybe like some edit, but there was
nothing that he was like, no, you have to take
(21:37):
this out.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So because of that, I feel like, personally, if the
documentary does come out in Australia, I don't think I'd
be able to watch it. It's mean, the clips itself,
even the trailer, like a trailer of him screaming at
Chris Jenna, I felt sick.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yes, I definitely found felt that as well. If it
comes out in Australia, I think I will watch it,
and not just because it's my job, but the other
thing is, and I think this is kind of what
the Kardashians and Kanye count on, is that there is
this kind of fascination with their lives and especially with
this unfiltered moment. So like, as much I don't want
to see the awful bits I've seen little trickles of
(22:13):
it so much over the years, I do kind of
want to see behind the scenes, Like I know that
maybe it's not the correct thing to say, But I
do almost want to see what happened, just from like
this kind of twisted interest in these people and their
lives and such a personal moment we shouldn't be allowed
to see, but we've been granted access and its.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Office and stuff like that. She did so much in
the past six years. Oh yeah, that would just seem
like it's all being uncovered now. But yeah, so that
docuseries is out in the US. It's not out in
Australia as of yet, but there's so many clips on
social media that you'll be able to see, especially you
can piece it together on TikTok. I will warn you
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it is a very very hard watch.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So Emma Watson, who has been out of the spotlight
for nearly five years now since her last movie, Little Women,
Well she did like a short film since then, but
like Little Women was like a huge national release blockbuster.
She hasn't acted since then, so she hasn't been doing
real interviews or press. A few little smatterings here and
there for like endorsements.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But heard that she did a play about herself. Yeah,
she did make a play about herself that she sends
on dates, which is iconic.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
She reads it. She reads out on dates, and I
was like, actually, it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.
We should do that one hundred percent. Actually, there's so
many times in here she talks about dating. I was like,
this is why is so relatable? Yeah, she is, but iconic,
she's so great. So she went on Jayceet Shetty's podcast
on Purpose, and it is the first time she's sat
down for really such a honest and long form interview.
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It's two and a half hours, but it goes so
quickly because she's actually quite fascinating to listen to. She
speaks so well, Yeah, she really does. And she talks
a lot about the fact that she has made this
decision to step away from acting and from Hollywood because
she was feeling a lot like a product. And she
talks that Little Women in an interesting way because she
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played Meg in Little Wit. And she talks about the
fact that there's scenes where they're standing next to Beth's
grave site spoilers for Little Women that's been out for
hundreds of years. Women, I don't know what people have
watched Beth died. Yeah, you and I always say that
in our friendship group if someone gets sick ride.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Giving Beth.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Okay, if one of my sisters also complains of being sick,
I'll be like, okay, Beth eternally the sickly sister.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well I'm sick. I say I need to be read
to by the sea.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh like Jodahs for Beth references poor Bed. I know,
but all that's what reference says, poor Beth, Poor Beth.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
She just wanted to help that family.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
She just became short flu She just became shorthand for
I'm poorly and sick today. Anyway, So Emma Watson said,
filming those graveside scenes, she was trying to dig into
her own traumas to bring up those feelings so that
she could portray grief and sadness on camera, and that
that's when she had to sort of step back for
a moment and say like, oh, I don't know if
this is the right area for me to be into
that I'm continually having to do this to myself, because
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she was having a very negative takeaway from it. She
also talks about not wanting to do interviews in press
because she felt it was very disingenuous, and she felt
like doing red carpet interviews was too intense because you
don't get to have a real conversation. She's like, she's
so worried about what she looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
She said she felt like she was like a salesperson,
like she has a cell, constantly sells something.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And as you know, I always have a bit of
a bone to pick when celebrities say this, because the
interview starts off with her saying to Jay Shetty like,
it's so lovely, we have so much time to talk
and really have a conversation, and this is what I
don't get from interviews. And so many celebrities say that,
and it's most triggering for me. And this is a
bit of a personal problem because I do those interviews
and I'm the person who's stinging across from them that
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they're saying that they can't connect with.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That's not your fault that the interviews are five seconds lves.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well, that's the thing. It's especially hard when like a
big actors come to Australia, they do these press junkets
which are so intense, and it's really hard to get
a human moment out of someone, even though like I
try so hard to do that, and then they got
off to their friends podcasts, you know, other actors and
they talk about how terrible press is because no one
wants to talk to them and they're finally getting to
sit down and talk for two hours. And I was like, well,
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obviously I would talk to Emma Watson for two hours.
I would talk to any celebrity for two hours.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Like you don't want to talk to me for two hours?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Your team has said five minutes. And then also she's
honest about that in this interview, because she says like
she's stressed that she kind of real conversation because she
knows that she's been given talking points for the movie
that she has to hit these points, but she's not
allowed to hit these points, and so in her head
she's like stressed about having to do it, which I
know isn't a super relatable problem, but I do understand
what she's saying.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, you don't want like a Tom Holland and it
where you just give spoilers for Massive.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Mirdel exactly Well, certainly because when Tom Holland went on
Jay Shetty's podcast, again, I like Jay Sheddy and I
think he's really interesting as a podcast host, but I
do think he's.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Great at making candles as we found out I would
love Megan.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Oh yeah, he loves the candle making situation, he says
on here, he loves playing poker. He's a man of
many talents. But yeah. Tom Hollan also said on Jayshaw's podcast, like, oh,
I like doing this because we get to have a
real conversation. I don't like people just asking about the movie.
And I was like, soir, your team tells the stars
about the movie anyway, personal grap to move past. But yeah,
she talked about a lot of different things about like
stepping away from Hollywood for that reason. It also the
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interview starts off with her talking about her losing her license.
Do more of those headlines?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Wait, yes, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I was surprised that came up, but I guess it
quite young for that. What it was this year? No,
you were young.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm thinking of someone else and I think I don't
think I was like a race.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, yeah, was arrested young for that this year. Yeah.
I was like, yeah, you were young.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It was the start of this year. You were a younger.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
But did you lost her license at the start of
this year?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, sometime this year when it came out I'm not
sure how long she'd lost it for, but for excessive speeding,
and it was just kind of imagine like.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Being out of spotlight for five years. And then we're like,
we know you speak.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well, that's what she says in this interview, because she
was like, all of a sudden, she's like, she's talking
about the fact that she lost her license for speeding
and it went through the courts and stuff, and all
all that stuff is public information but wouldn't have never
normally get reported on except when the name on the
court cases Emma Watson.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Especially off the back on how much press we got
from justin Timberlake.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, exactly, celeb driving offences a huge hot topic. And
then she was like, oh my god. She's like, I
woke up that day and it was everywhere. She's like,
it was front page of the BBC News, It's on
every international headline. And then she talks about the fact
and I didn't quite agree with this, but I'm gonna
let the girl live. She's like, I have just been
on movie sets for so long and they send cars
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to pick you up because you wanted to drive yourself,
and so I only used to drive myself on the weekends,
and all of a sudden, I stopped acting and I'm
not being on movie sets, and so now I have
to drive myself everywhere and get myself to places, and
I'm just not equipped to do that. So I kept speeding,
so I lost my license.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I mean, I don't drive that much.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, you and I never drive. I have an alarm
now on my phone and it goes off every Saturday
with drive your car, and I go downstairs and drive
my car around the block. Otherwise, once I went for
four months about driving my car every stop, and I'm
like hit my car and I like run downstairs, and
I'm like, yeah, it's dead. This all happens to being
a city girl. Jan Johnson.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
However, like Emma Watson, I have been done for speeding
a few times.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I haven't, but it's only because like I only drive places.
I drive down the road to the shops and I
can't go I want to be in a freeway.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, I don't listen to my advice.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah no, no, again, this is the thing, like we're
sort of laughing at everyone wants in. But also I
feel a real affinity with her. Yeah, She's like it's
really hard. She's like I swear I used to be
able to do things. I'm just in this moment in
time where like I can't seem to get myself to
where I need to go. I can't seem to do
what I need to do. I can't seem to like
live as an adult in this world without all these
things around me. And I do think that's like quite
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you get to a stage sometimes you're like, I used
to be good at stuff. Yeah, I can't quite do
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
No, I can't drive.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
And also when she talks about dating, it's funny you
were saying that because she has written a play about herself.
She goes in the interview, I sent it to you
Jay for you to read, and he's like, oh okay,
which Jay's like, Madam is just like in the Yeah,
I actually feel like he would read it. But I
almost felt like, deez, Emma Watson sent it to me,
I'll read it. But she says sometimes she does either
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send it to dates or read it aloud to date
so they can understand her more.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That sounds like my worst night matter of the first date.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, here's the thing. It's interesting because.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
What's that to understand more? You know what I mean,
I feel like in her situation, if you're going on
a date, say with someone who's non famous, yeah, the
last thing you want to do is to tell them
more about yourself so early on, like they are already
coming in with there's like upper hand because they know
more about you already than you know about them. So
I would just call it for a bit.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
No, no, But she's doing it because she thinks that
the preconceived notion of her. It made me think of
that scene in Nodding Hill where Julia Roberts character says
to Hugh Grant, like, people go to bed with the
version of me, the movie star version of me, and
they wake up with the real me, and it's a
disappointment always. And that's what Maybe that's what people do
with me me too, like the version of you we
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see on the spill. Well, maybe you should try this tactic,
so Emma Watson said as a woman who is dating. Now,
Emma Watson is dating, but she is also and I
hate this. It's okay if she wants to do it,
but I hate when women do stuff like this. She's
self partnered, which means that she identifies as someone who
will always be even if she's in a relationship, she
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is partnered to herself, and that is her most important
I like the sentiment. I just don't think I loved
self partnered. Or maybe I'm not evolved enough yet to
be there, because I understand if anyone understands being a
single woman and being by yourself, like it's me. I
understand that one hundred Why women.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So scared of saying the word I'm single. Yeah, I
just say that it's fine.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't understand having to put a label on it
or like.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's like if you go to a wedding, do you
check yes for plus one? Yourself?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yourself?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Because yourself, So you get the chicken and the fish.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Because you've got yours on like your travel forms, your
bank forms, you say relationship status and you're alone, relationship.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
In a relationship?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
How many people living in the house for there's too
that's still about self partner again, whatever people want to do.
But I'm just I'm not evolved enough to be self partnered.
Emma Watson is she's obviously smarter than me. Well, she
went to Brown and Oxford, so I think that's fair
to say.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I love how I've talked with the caveat that, but
if I do get into a relationship, I'm still self partnered. Yeah,
because she's not going to stop her from getting into
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She says, she's out there dating, like she's not saying, oh,
I want to be single. It's like most people who
are single, they're like not making a stance on being single.
I mean, like I'm going to be single. It's just literally,
like I haven't met anyone, and being single is better
than dating one of the jerks that I've met.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah. Literally, But she says she went on.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
She talks to her date she went on recently. She's like,
I'm woman in my thirties dating and it's awful. She's like, no,
because she's in her thirties. But she's like, dating in general,
I think we can all agree no matter who you are,
is a bit difficult sometimes, but it's what she's doing.
And so she talks about the fact that she was
on a date with the Sky and halfway through the
date he goes to her like, oh, I've got to say,
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like I'm really the idea of Emma Watson makes me really,
really nervous, And she was like the idea of Emma
Watson makes me nervous because.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Oh, why did you say that?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, because she's like, it was this thing looming over
them on their date, that he was so nervous about
dating this person who has been famous, internationally famous, her
entire life is in these huge movies, has this huge persona,
but also does all these things, like as a spokeswoman
for this and has done this and all these things.
And she was like, yeah, I'm nervous of her too,
because that's not me. I didn't look like that. She's like,
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when I see pictures of myself on billboards and red carpets,
I don't look at that in real life. But she's like,
when I see my like myself edited down, I don't
speak like that in real life. So like, I walk
into a room with Emma Watson looming over me, and
she's too much to deal with. But I am Emma Watson.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, I would be really like shitty to be a
really famous person dating people who aren't famous, because you're
constantly having to explain yourself. You're constantly on the first day,
you're constantly having to be like, I'm like that, I'm
like that, this is what I'm like this one and
Oh my god. I can't even imagine how frustrating that
would be.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah. Yeah, there's just had a lot of relatable moments
in the interview. One is when she talks about one
of the reasons that she stepped away from making movies,
and she stepped away from Hollywood for over five years
and Little Women was her last big role. And also
interesting with Little Women like I don know if you remember
this at the time, that she did one premiere I
think and then opted out of the entire press tour.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I don't remember this.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, so the press tool was huge because it was
Sir Charone and Florence Pugh and Laura Dean and Meryl
Streep and Timothy Charlemagne. It was this huge thing. But
at the time, Emma Watson was one of the biggest stars.
Like now, Florence Pugh would probably be the biggest star,
but then Emma Watson was like number one.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
It was number one because when I first watched Little Women,
and that's when it became like one of my favorite
movies of old time, it was I was watching it
for Emma Watson, like for me, she was the most famous.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
So we've got to think she's coming off of not
just the Harry Potter franchise, but like Beauty and the
Beast and these huge kind of things and people really
loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
What was that movie she played, the one about those teenagers.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, Sophia Copler is the Bling Ring. Yeah. Oh that
was a mild apart her. I actually loved her as
like Americanah, my god, she was crazy. No, she was
so good in that. But yes, she talks about the
fact that one of the reasons that she stepped away
from acting, and it was really telling that she also
stepped away from the press to her of that movie,
because at the time, people like, why are all the
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other women like out hilling this movie across the world
and Emma Watson's not. She must have had some caveat
in a contract or did she just say I'm not
doing it, which I don't think you can because you
will get suit. You get paid an extra amount on
top of the movie to do the press run. So
something must have happened.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Now, some actors get away with not having to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, but they have to get that into the contract
before they filmed the movie. Right, Okay, if you like
sign on to film the movie, you get paid an
extra amount, and.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Do you think it's like unlikely for her to ever
get a contract like that just because she hasn't been
in the story for that long.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, now, I think that she would be the one
that they'd say, you have to do press because people
want to talk to you. Because of Harry Potter. People
always want to interview her. There's never going to be
a moment in her career where people are turning away
that opportunity to chat to her because she's just such
a recognizable name. But she talks about the fact that
she grew up on the Harry Potter sets and they
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felt like such a family, and then she went into
other movies basically looking for family and friendship and didn't
find it.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And they were very much like, this.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Is a job, because most people don't come to those
environments looking for friendships. They're looking for this is my chance,
this is my role. And I was not of that mindset,
and so I found the rejection really painful. I think
it's so unusual to make a set of films for
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twelve years and we were a community, like we really were,
And so I took that as an expectation into my
other workplaces, and I just got my I just got
my ass kicked.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I really did.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
I'm just not thick skinned. Maybe I just wasn't built
for those kinds of highly compatitive environments.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It, Yeah, it broke me.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, but in a way, I'm proud that it did,
because I guess that means they have something left to break.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
They're a heart left to break. That's so heartbreaking. Yeah,
it really is saying that I have a heart to break.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And she's if you watch the video of it, she's
crying quite a bit, and I understand that because she's
looking back on this moment. And then later in the interview,
she says, the other really hard thing is that when
you go on these press tours is that all the
actors sit there and they get asked like, do you
guys hang out together? Are your friends? Everyone says yes,
and she says it's not true. We don't hang out together.
People don't see each other. That's so rare for.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's just what the audience want to.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Hear, exactly. And she said, the further heartbreak is pretending
something that you want. She just sounds like an incredibly
lonely person for someone who and I'm not saying she
doesn't have family or friends or anything like that. But
I just think she went into all these movies with
so much money and fame that she didn't have to
keep acting. It sounds like she just wanted community, and
she wanted friends and just wasn't able to find that.
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I don't mean this to come out in a bad way,
but I do find something a little comforting in the
fact that even Emma Watson, Golden Girl of Our Lives,
struggles with loneliness and friendship, because when you get into
your thirties, finding friends is hard and finding community is
really really hard. And I just assumed it would be
a bit easier if you were her.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, it feels like it's harder.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, And she doesn't sort of say anything bad eating
her coast does. I'm sure people will jump to that.
They'll be like, was it Florence Pugh who.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I think most people are assuming it's women?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah? Was it ser Charone? Or like, was it someone
on the cast of Was it Josh gadd on the
cast of Beauty in the Nies? Was it Tom Hanks
in the Circle? Was it bag? Wasn't the girls on
the Bling Ring set? You know what I mean? Like,
but it probably was a little bit of all of them.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, where you go into like being a and that
being your life, like it's not just a job for you.
It's like they would have had tutors, their parents were
on set, they would look in the actual community to
them being an adult and trying to do the same thing.
And then you're just there by yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, And I think it happens. I think it's really
refreshing to hear, because like, even from my own point
of view, like I met a lot of friends at
Mama Mea who are all my best friends now. But
I before that, I moved to so many new cities
where I knew no one for work, and every time
I got there, I kind of assumed that I would
just be friends with who I worked with, And sometimes
I wanted to a year with no friends, having no
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one in a town, no friends, no one. And it
wasn't that there was something wrong with me, I hope,
or something wrong with them. It was more so that, like,
you just don't make friends and community everywhere you go,
no matter how sparkly you are. And so I feel
like that's what she's trying to say, And I feel
like people are trying to look for a celebrity feud.
But it's just someone who was looking for friendship and
friendship is hard and she couldn't find it. So ancuse,
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as I said, the full interview with Emma is over
two hours long.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, it's so worth listening. It's so worth it.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, speaks so well. Yeah, And as much as we're
having a little laugh at our speeding self partnered gal,
we still we can only do that because I feel
like she's ours. She's like our yea, our's one of
our people.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
We claimed her.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
We've claimed her. So it's like you can like make
fun of your friends, but other people can't survivor.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
With any people in relationships. No, you can't say anything
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brudnick and I'm Vernon and coming up on the show today,
the new Carneer Waste documentary has been released in parts
(00:36):
of the world. We're going to get into every disturbing
fact we know about that because a lot of new
information has come out. Plus, Emma Watson has given her
first long form interview in years, and it is full
of revelations about why she hasn't acted in five years,
her relationship with Hollywood. She cried in the interview, maybe
we'll cry talking about it. Who's to say, Who's who's
(00:57):
to say? But first, I've been crying this week for
a very beautiful reason. And it's the Dawson's Creek reunion.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's crazy, really, yes, Oh, like it's crazy that they
did a reunion.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, it's not a reunion the fact that they all
came back and played their characters, because they've all gone
the record and said they would pretty much never do that.
And I think that's the right core. Yeah, I think
leave it in the past. But what it was is
that James Vanderbeek, who played Dawson Leary on the show,
which was a huge, huge, I can't even talk about
what a huge thing this show was when it was
out came to an end in two thousand and three,
(01:33):
so over twenty years ago. Now people still talk about
it all the time. It's one of those kind of
like earth shattering teen shows that people like could touch
their lives to, you know, the one. Yeah, so it's
come out in the last two years that James Vanderbek
who played Dawson, was diagnosed with cancer and this event
was both a fundraiser of a hymn and also for
a cancer foundation, and was organized by Michelle Williams, one
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of his co stars.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And so what it was really close, right.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I mean they weren't for a long time, not close.
They were close in the way of like they kind
of went to higher school together because it on this
big teen show, and then they all went off and
had their own careers and life. Yeah, exactly. So the
only two that have remained super close since then Michelle
Williams and Busy Phillips, who played Audrey in the late seasons,
they've been best friends and they call themselves soulmates, which
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I love. They're like sometimes they've both had like husbands
and kids and stuff, but they're just like we're each
other's salmtes, like that's just a fact, which I've always loved.
So they've always been close, but really it's the last
couple of years, through James cancer diagnosis that has all
really brought them back together and got them on a
group chat. And so they got back together in New
York to do a live reading of the pilot episode,
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and it was really sad because James Vanderbeek at the
last minute couldn't attend because he'd had two stomach flus
and he was really really sick. But the rest of
the cast was there, so Michelle Williams who played Jen Linley,
Joshua Jackson who played Pacey Bitter, Katie Holmes who played
Joey Potter, but also Curse Smith who played Jack and
Meredith Munroe who played Andy, plus like the actors who
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played their parents, the actress who played Grams. Pretty much everyone,
pretty much everyone, and it was so good and also
because Michelliams organized it and her husband as a really
well known theater director. It was in the theater where
Hamilton usually plays, and at the last minute, when James
Vanderbeek couldn't attend, Lynn Manuel Miranda stepped in to play
James Vanderbeeks everywhere exactly, and Renee's Goldsberry, who is really
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good friends with Busy Phillips because they did Girls five
over together, but also one of the original Hamilton stars.
Mc the night and she opened it up by singing
I don't want to wait and got everyone to sing it,
and then James Vanderbeek's wife came out, but first his
two oldest daughters came out and they sang the song,
which is really cute. So it was a whole situation.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Wait, if Busy was in their latest seasons, was she
there even though it was like a pilot reading.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, she was playing different roles. Oh my god, her
and Joshua Jackson fully passed on stage. It was so
good because their characters were together in the show for
a really long time and they had this like really
fiery relationship.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was in the audience.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh, so you could buy tickets. That was like part
of fun race, so it was media but you could
buy tickets and like lines were snaking around the block,
so it was like a fundraiser and it was being filmed.
I'm hoping they err even like I was sobbing from
just watching the video. So I don't know if we'll
get through that. And like, Dawson Street isn't my favorite
favorite show in the world, but it was. I just
think of like how like you and your friends have
(04:27):
been recently with the Summer I Turn Pretty and how
much you talk about it, yeah, and how much that
like took over your life. Yeah, just imagine that.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I think it's saying any show that had a huge
impact in your life when they're like back together again
and you're watching them interests, like similar to the Friends reunion,
when you're just watching them interact with each.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Other exactly, you see all these memories come back. And
also like the Summer I Turn Pretty, like that was
this for my generation.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Except I don't think they really like each other.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, it was like Summer I Returned Pretty, but like
times ten because it was a love triangle. I mean,
it's about other things this so it's six seasons. That's
a long time, yeah, exactly. And also it was old
school TV so it's six seasons, twenty two episodes and
hour long episodes. So imagine that, and imagine, oh my god,
so many movies. Love triangle started when I was in
(05:14):
primary school and then I graduated high school and it
was coming to an end. Just think about that. And also,
so the triangle was between Dawson. So Dawson's Creek is
about Yeah. So it's like this tiny little town called
Cape Side that's on a creek, and it's Dawson Leary
who's like this teenage boy who's like really creative and
dreams of being a filmmaker, and the person he wants
(05:37):
to be like all through the series is Steven Spielberg,
He's obsessed with Spielberg. Dawson's Creek ends with him getting
a call from Steven Spielberg, not the real, not the
real Steven Spilberger, being like, hey, I want to talk
to about a project. And for this Dawson's Creek reunion,
Steven Spielberg filmed a video. Incented in and he's like, Hey, Dawson,
I just want to just say you made it. I'm
gonna cry, Oh my god. Anyways, so it's Dawson and
(05:59):
then his best friend his whole childhood life is Joey Potter,
this young girl from like the wrong side of the
Track's poor family. Her mum died, her dad's in jail,
her sister's like pregnant to this guy, and everyone's like
she's trash. Basically she's not. And they're best friends. And
her home life is really hard and difficult, so she
often like rows her boat down the creek late at night,
or like runs to Dawson's house at night.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Life's hard, so she rows her boat, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, to like escape her. Like they used to creeks
to Dawson's house and there's a ladder. There's a ladder
outside Dawson's bedroom and she climbs up and they used
to sleep in Scary though, what.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Did they drown?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
No, No, they're fine. Creek's okay. The creek becomes less
of a character as you go on. When I was
in primary school on the show first started, there was
this rumor, you know, like twelve year olds are like, oh,
like this whole thing that everyone's like, oh my god,
it's called Dawson's Creek because at the end, Dawson's going
to die and they're going to put his ashes in
the Creek. That didn't happen, but it would have been
great though. That would have been great if that had
come true. Circle moment, and so Joey would always sleep
(06:58):
in Dawson's bed. They were best friends. And it starts
off with them. This was scant parents, and no their
parents knew. They knew Joey was in there. It's when
they start to be teenager. So the first episode of
Dawson's Creek has them discussing the fact that Joey's like,
I can't sleep over anymore and he's like, why you
always sleep over? That's what we do. And she's like,
but we have genitalia now, and he's like, we've always
had genitalia. At the time, everyone was like, kids can't
(07:19):
watch this show crazy, like this is too sexually explicit.
They said genitalia on TV. It was such a big deal.
I can't even tell you. I remember like parents at
school being like, are you letting your kid watch Dawsons
because I'm not letting my kid watch Dawsons and my
mom being like, you're not allowed to watch this show.
And I was like, but the Creek, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That was like my generation with the Simpsons like half
of you were allowed to watch it and half of
you want.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, it became like a real thing. And then like
Pacy's Dawson's best friend, but he and Joey always hated
each other, never got along. And then Dawson and Joey
start to fall in love. Then he breaks up with
her and he goes to Pacey AND's like, I can't
be around Joey at the moment, but I don't want
her to be alone, so can you please, like spend
some time with her? And Pacey's like, but I rarely
hate her anyway, they fall in love and it is Yeah,
(08:03):
it's enemies to lovers, it's a love triangle.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Enemy to lovers, friends to lovers.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's everything, and like some ten pretty like watching that finale,
everyone's being like, who she's gonna choose? But as we
always said, like people always knew who she was going
to choose in Dawson's Creek. After six seasons, then it
comes to the finale when they're all grown up as adults,
it was still really like who is she gonna choose?
And also there's like the moment Dawson.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Someone at the end.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's Roman, but also against the summer ten
pretty when everyone was like yelling at Belly for like
running and jumping on a train with nothing. My generation
is like, please, we watched Joey Potter run down a
dock and jump onto Pace's boat and say, like, I
choose you. This is the earliest seasons when they get
together for the first time and then sail away for
three months with nothing. Yeah, well, off into the ocean.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Just going around.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's actually and who's there, Like, is there a Stephen
and Taylor character?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I mean there's obviously Michelle Williams plays genuinely the bad
girl who comes from New York who's been sent away
from New York for being back to the Creek, New
York to Cape Side. No, everything, that's the that's the
whole thing. And there's like I guess her friendship with
Jack and stuff, and like they're different romances. But it's
just yeah, it's so good anyway. So that's my review
of Dawson's Creak twenty years later. But yeah, it was
(09:20):
really beautiful to watch the reunion. I watch everyone on stage. Well,
here's the thing, I think you would really love it.
But I think you would really struggle with the first
season because it feels very old school. It just moves
differently to TV shows now. But maybe once you get
into the Pacey Dawson Joey, like the deep love triangle,
you'll be so hooked. And when they go to college
(09:42):
and like they have all these other people joined the cast,
like Chad Michael Murray and stuff, and that's when Busy
Phillips comes along, you will be hooked on the Okay, Okay,
I don't mean to put a piece of gossip at
the end of this, but on stage, Katie Holmes and
Joshua Jackson at the reunion were like scene next to
each other and they were hugging. They were all hugging
on stage. But they're together doing a movie together. And
they did date during the show. I don't think the
date anymow but but I'll just say she put her
(10:04):
head on his shoulder when she's almost started crying, and
it was really beautiful. And then they did get into
the same car together after wards. Now I'm not here
because they could have just all been going to drinks.
I'm sure they're all just all going to dinner and
they just happened to get in the Cardigo, But anyway,
and then James Van der Beek also put up two
beautiful videos on the nine. It was so devastating because
he looks so sick, and I love that man so
(10:24):
much because not only was he Dawson, but he's a
committing genius. So if this Dawson's Creek Green gets streamed
anywhere that we can watch in full, we will let
you guys know. But yeah, it's been an emotional week
for this Dawson's Creek. Then I do want you to
watch it. Can we watch the first episode together? Because
I feel like I need to see if you're.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Like, do a watch party in the office.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
One hundred percent all the girls in our office who
are pining us as summer return. Pretty maybe we just
go back to Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's do that. Yeah, oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It doesn't matter my life. It matters to us and you.
It doesn't matter what the internet says, it matters what weaving.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yay, So what did you have an effect on my
mentor health?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yes? Yes, I'm saying yes, and I'd love you.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So you just heard a clip from a new documentary
that's out now in the US it's called in Whose Name?
And that was Kanye West yelling at Chris Jenna, his
ex mother in law. So this documentary it's not out
in Australia. I don't know when it will be out
or if it will be out, because I know we
(11:41):
have some strict regulations for those kind of things. But
if you are on TikTok at Instagram, you would have
seen so many clips of this documentary all over your feet.
Have you been seeing these?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh my gosh, so many And they're really difficult to watch,
I think anyone who's I'm not saying there's any assertions
of like domestic violence or anything here, but it is
like obviously like a dramatic violent situation within a home
to an extent, because this is, at the end of
the day, this is a family who's going through something
horrific and watching that and if you've ever through anything
like that or being in a relationship like that, like
(12:13):
it is very visceral to watch. Like I find myself
having to sort of almost scroll past. I mean, I'm
watching them for work, but yeah, I wouldn't choose to
watch them.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I've read so many reviews on this whole documentary and
a lot of the reviewers were mentioning in their pieces
that there were some scenes that they couldn't even watch,
Like they had to skip over this Chris Jenna one
was one that a lot of people had to skip
over because it was so aggressive and so violent and scary.
But for me, it was really interesting because I'd see
(12:42):
these clips and I feel like I was the kind
of person when I grew up, like Kanye West was
my favorite artist, Like I loved all of Kanye's songs,
and then I think when I started working and I
became an adult essentially, and things started to get a
bit iffy with him, he was making some crazy remarks
about stuff that was happening in the world. I completely
(13:03):
turned off. Like that was he was a first artist
where I couldn't disconnect the artists from the person and
I couldn't listen to any of his music anymore. Yeah,
And I think that was like we would see headline
after headline about him for years, for a really really
long time, and I think it got to the point
where society in general just stopped engaging in anything he
put out there. So what I found really interesting is
(13:24):
that this documentary is now being talked about by everyone,
and I think the reason why everyone's talking about it
was the way it was made is actually quite interesting.
So it was filmed and directed by a young person
named Nico Balsteros. He was eighteen years old when he
started working for Kanye West full time, and he said
(13:45):
himself he was an art student. When he was younger.
He would DM Kanye and be like, I'd love to
like film like your shows and film events that's happening
in your life. So he was started to like kind
of get into Kanye's circle from a really early age.
And then after Kanye's hospitalization for mental distress in twenty eighteen,
Kanye really wanted to film his bipolar disorder post breakdown journey,
(14:09):
so he employed Nico full time. Nico worked on this
project from twenty nineteen essentially till now. He has over
three thousand hours of footage, most of which is filmed
on his iPhone or on an iPad. And it's interesting
because if you do look at certain paparazzi videos of
Kanye or even on the Kardashians, you do see this kid,
(14:32):
the same kid, these massive like sunglasses I'm assuming their
Balenciagas sunglasses with his iPhone just filming things, and you
think he's just like a fan or like part of
his crew, but he was actually just filming all of
this footage for this documentary. And I think that is
so interesting because he's now been on the presstol for
this documentary. He's been doing a lot of interviews with publications,
(14:55):
and even though this documentary does not paint Kanye West
in a good light at all, like so many people
are wondering why would he ever put something like this out.
There's so much footage of him screaming at Chris Jenna,
screaming at Kim Kardashian. There was a footage of him
where he was confronted by Michael Chay after SNL when
he went completely off script and was complaining about why
(15:18):
do you give black people black characters and just pretty
much going like berating the cast members of SNL. And
he was confronted by Michael Chay and then he completely
cowards and it's like I'm sorry, man, I love you,
I love you, yeah, and Michael cha is like not
giving up.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Why would you do this to me my career, this
is my job, yeah, exactly. Kny's probably never had anyone
push back on him that way, because what we know
about him is that he has been treated like a god,
like this other worldly creature because of his talent. When
he first started a musician, he had a lot of pushback,
as like a lot of musicians do, like you won't
be famous, he won't be vice. But once he started
(15:53):
releasing music, he had this kind of like he was
always traveling with this huge crew of people who always
on his payroll. They treated him like a god. Other
celebrities would just be like, Kanye's incredible at that time
when he was in his first like big wave of success.
And then when you watch the Kardashians, he is really
treated with a real reverence from all of them, with
(16:15):
this again, with this kind of godlike quality from all
of them, Like the way that they all speak to
him is so vastly not that they speak badly to
anyone on the show, but you can just tell that
he came into this incredibly famous, rich family and they
were all just kind of like worshiping him. And I
think that's why he's put this documentary out because to
(16:37):
anyone else, they think, why would you put out a
documentary that shows you at your very worst unfiltered moments,
but he is so aware that there's nothing he can
do to shake that fan base. Like his social account's
got taken away, his record labels dropped him, his most
famous friends turned away from him, but he still has
that huge fan base. And I also wondered, too, is
(16:58):
like because he was on both Keeping Up with the
Kardashians and the Kardashians, and he's filmed in that, but
he must also be very aware that he's being filmed,
but it's the first time he doesn't really have a
say of what's shown and what is Like the Kardashians
are the producers, so I wonder if this is like
him telling his start of the story. He was like, well,
I'm just going to put out my own documentary that
(17:19):
shows all the stuff, because you hear from the Kardashian
producers that they filmed a lot of horrific things with
Kim and Kanye because they have cameras there all the time,
and they were there for the breakdown of the marriage
and all these things. And you see little snippets and
you see Kim Kardashian apologizing on the show to her
family for all the things that Kanye put them through,
but you never see Kane's outburst because Kim Kardashian has
(17:40):
always said she won't show that because of the kids,
and now he's showing it.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And now he's showing it, and there's stuff that he
talks about, like how Kim allegedly wanted an abortion when
she had North, like some things. It's really interesting because
I feel like everything we've seen of him on the
Kardashians now in relation to this seems like such a
good edit. Yeah, and this seems so raw and real,
But I think what's actually doing him justice in this
(18:05):
whole documentary is Niko, who is now twenty six years old.
The way he talks about Kanye makes him sound like
a great person, Like the way he said he was
like all his job was to do was to never
stop filming, Like he didn't have to do anything else.
He was just like, never stop filming. And the only
times that Kanye would pull him up was when he
stopped filming. Kanye was like, no, I want to see everything.
(18:26):
I want you to film everything. And he said that
right from the get go, which gave Nico permission to
always be wherever he is. He had to like change
his whole schedule to fit Kanye, Like it's been reported
that Kanye sleeps three to four hours a day only,
so Nico had to sleep three to four hours a day.
And this is like his whole like early twenties, right
from eighteen to twenty six, Like imagine just doing that
and the fact that Nico also was just in that
(18:48):
world so much like being Kanye, that he didn't actually
see what was happening, like how the world was responding
to what Kanye was doing, like how he lost his
partnership would added Us, which was like the biggest deal
like this partnership would added us Kanye had was like
bigger than any NBA star, Like he was making so
much money from that partnership, and then they dropped him
(19:11):
because he was making anti Semitic comments publicly, the White
Lives Matter thing that he did, the fashion show, like
he filmed every single one of those things. And yet
the way he talks about Kanye was that Kanye was
just very respectful of me and my time and what
I was doing. Interestingly, I feel like that's not something
Kanye would have asked him to do.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To speak well of him, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
He just is. But also like he would be in
this whole world, like that's all he would have known.
Like it's not like he can do this documentary and
then just like move on with his life, like he's
still going to be in that world.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, And it almost feels like he's very programmed to
speak about Kanye that way because it's all he's really
known and he I'm sure that Nico has seen the
worst of him in a way that even some of
the Kardashians or other famous friends haven't seen. But it
has been his whole life. He probably, even if he
wanted to, can't talk badly of him because he's been
programmed not to do that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I think the one thing that these clips that I've
been seeing and the comments on the clips, is that
everyone feels so so so for Kim Kardashian. Like we
knew to an extent of what she was going through,
but actually seeing it and like seeing how she's crying
in every clip and he's just screaming at her and
yelling at her just seems so degrading for someone to
(20:22):
go through, and she has kids and stuff like that.
It just seems like such an interesting career move. But
it's also one of the first career moves in a
really long time. That's actually working for.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Him exactly because I think a lot of people are
like really loving at least his honesty and the fact
that they feel like it's a really unfiltered look. But yeah,
him screaming at Kim Kardashian, I find so because she's
like cowering and she looks so broken. And the other
thing is like there's a whole room full of people
and they're all just standing there with their heads down
a lot of the time because they don't want They're like, oh,
this is They're either thinking this is a private moment.
(20:55):
I don't want to be involved, or like, no one
speaks back to Kane, like that's the rule in his house.
But he's screaming at her so aggressively, and she just
looks like a broken person. And you do think, like,
if there's three thousand hours of footage and we're seeing
like the tiniest little collection of that, what isn't in there?
Do you think that there's anything that Kanye would have
taken out?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, And Nico says in his interviews that like he
saw two edits and in the final version, and even
while he was filming there was nothing about Kanye going
don't film this, you shouldn't film this, like why are
you filming this? Like Nico said, there was nothing like that,
Like I just held the camera the whole time and
he made like maybe like some edit, but there was
nothing that he was like, no, you have to take
(21:37):
this out.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So because of that, I feel like, personally, if the
documentary does come out in Australia, I don't think I'd
be able to watch it. It's mean, the clips itself,
even the trailer, like a trailer of him screaming at
Chris Jenna, I felt sick.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yes, I definitely found felt that as well. If it
comes out in Australia, I think I will watch it,
and not just because it's my job, but the other
thing is, and I think this is kind of what
the Kardashians and Kanye count on, is that there is
this kind of fascination with their lives and especially with
this unfiltered moment. So like, as much I don't want
to see the awful bits I've seen little trickles of
(22:13):
it so much over the years, I do kind of
want to see behind the scenes, Like I know that
maybe it's not the correct thing to say, But I
do almost want to see what happened, just from like
this kind of twisted interest in these people and their
lives and such a personal moment we shouldn't be allowed
to see, but we've been granted access and its.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Office and stuff like that. She did so much in
the past six years. Oh yeah, that would just seem
like it's all being uncovered now. But yeah, so that
docuseries is out in the US. It's not out in
Australia as of yet, but there's so many clips on
social media that you'll be able to see, especially you
can piece it together on TikTok. I will warn you
(22:54):
it is a very very hard watch.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So Emma Watson, who has been out of the spotlight
for nearly five years now since her last movie, Little Women,
Well she did like a short film since then, but
like Little Women was like a huge national release blockbuster.
She hasn't acted since then, so she hasn't been doing
real interviews or press. A few little smatterings here and
there for like endorsements.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But heard that she did a play about herself. Yeah,
she did make a play about herself that she sends
on dates, which is iconic.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
She reads it. She reads out on dates, and I
was like, actually, it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.
We should do that one hundred percent. Actually, there's so
many times in here she talks about dating. I was like,
this is why is so relatable? Yeah, she is, but iconic,
she's so great. So she went on Jayceet Shetty's podcast
on Purpose, and it is the first time she's sat
down for really such a honest and long form interview.
(23:48):
It's two and a half hours, but it goes so
quickly because she's actually quite fascinating to listen to. She
speaks so well, Yeah, she really does. And she talks
a lot about the fact that she has made this
decision to step away from acting and from Hollywood because
she was feeling a lot like a product. And she
talks that Little Women in an interesting way because she
(24:09):
played Meg in Little Wit. And she talks about the
fact that there's scenes where they're standing next to Beth's
grave site spoilers for Little Women that's been out for
hundreds of years. Women, I don't know what people have
watched Beth died. Yeah, you and I always say that
in our friendship group if someone gets sick ride.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Giving Beth.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Okay, if one of my sisters also complains of being sick,
I'll be like, okay, Beth eternally the sickly sister.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well I'm sick. I say I need to be read
to by the sea.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh like Jodahs for Beth references poor Bed. I know,
but all that's what reference says, poor Beth, Poor Beth.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
She just wanted to help that family.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
She just became short flu She just became shorthand for
I'm poorly and sick today. Anyway, So Emma Watson said,
filming those graveside scenes, she was trying to dig into
her own traumas to bring up those feelings so that
she could portray grief and sadness on camera, and that
that's when she had to sort of step back for
a moment and say like, oh, I don't know if
this is the right area for me to be into
that I'm continually having to do this to myself, because
(25:13):
she was having a very negative takeaway from it. She
also talks about not wanting to do interviews in press
because she felt it was very disingenuous, and she felt
like doing red carpet interviews was too intense because you
don't get to have a real conversation. She's like, she's
so worried about what she looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
She said she felt like she was like a salesperson,
like she has a cell, constantly sells something.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And as you know, I always have a bit of
a bone to pick when celebrities say this, because the
interview starts off with her saying to Jay Shetty like,
it's so lovely, we have so much time to talk
and really have a conversation, and this is what I
don't get from interviews. And so many celebrities say that,
and it's most triggering for me. And this is a
bit of a personal problem because I do those interviews
and I'm the person who's stinging across from them that
(25:55):
they're saying that they can't connect with.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That's not your fault that the interviews are five seconds lves.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well, that's the thing. It's especially hard when like a
big actors come to Australia, they do these press junkets
which are so intense, and it's really hard to get
a human moment out of someone, even though like I
try so hard to do that, and then they got
off to their friends podcasts, you know, other actors and
they talk about how terrible press is because no one
wants to talk to them and they're finally getting to
sit down and talk for two hours. And I was like, well,
(26:20):
obviously I would talk to Emma Watson for two hours.
I would talk to any celebrity for two hours.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Like you don't want to talk to me for two hours?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Your team has said five minutes. And then also she's
honest about that in this interview, because she says like
she's stressed that she kind of real conversation because she
knows that she's been given talking points for the movie
that she has to hit these points, but she's not
allowed to hit these points, and so in her head
she's like stressed about having to do it, which I
know isn't a super relatable problem, but I do understand
what she's saying.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, you don't want like a Tom Holland and it
where you just give spoilers for Massive.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Mirdel exactly Well, certainly because when Tom Holland went on
Jay Shetty's podcast, again, I like Jay Sheddy and I
think he's really interesting as a podcast host, but I
do think he's.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Great at making candles as we found out I would
love Megan.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Oh yeah, he loves the candle making situation, he says
on here, he loves playing poker. He's a man of
many talents. But yeah. Tom Hollan also said on Jayshaw's podcast, like, oh,
I like doing this because we get to have a
real conversation. I don't like people just asking about the movie.
And I was like, soir, your team tells the stars
about the movie anyway, personal grap to move past. But yeah,
she talked about a lot of different things about like
stepping away from Hollywood for that reason. It also the
(27:26):
interview starts off with her talking about her losing her license.
Do more of those headlines?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Wait, yes, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I was surprised that came up, but I guess it
quite young for that. What it was this year? No,
you were young.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm thinking of someone else and I think I don't
think I was like a race.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, yeah, was arrested young for that this year. Yeah.
I was like, yeah, you were young.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It was the start of this year. You were a younger.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
But did you lost her license at the start of
this year?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, sometime this year when it came out I'm not
sure how long she'd lost it for, but for excessive speeding,
and it was just kind of imagine like.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Being out of spotlight for five years. And then we're like,
we know you speak.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well, that's what she says in this interview, because she
was like, all of a sudden, she's like, she's talking
about the fact that she lost her license for speeding
and it went through the courts and stuff, and all
all that stuff is public information but wouldn't have never
normally get reported on except when the name on the
court cases Emma Watson.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Especially off the back on how much press we got
from justin Timberlake.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, exactly, celeb driving offences a huge hot topic. And
then she was like, oh my god. She's like, I
woke up that day and it was everywhere. She's like,
it was front page of the BBC News, It's on
every international headline. And then she talks about the fact
and I didn't quite agree with this, but I'm gonna
let the girl live. She's like, I have just been
on movie sets for so long and they send cars
(28:43):
to pick you up because you wanted to drive yourself,
and so I only used to drive myself on the weekends,
and all of a sudden, I stopped acting and I'm
not being on movie sets, and so now I have
to drive myself everywhere and get myself to places, and
I'm just not equipped to do that. So I kept speeding,
so I lost my license.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I mean, I don't drive that much.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, you and I never drive. I have an alarm
now on my phone and it goes off every Saturday
with drive your car, and I go downstairs and drive
my car around the block. Otherwise, once I went for
four months about driving my car every stop, and I'm
like hit my car and I like run downstairs, and
I'm like, yeah, it's dead. This all happens to being
a city girl. Jan Johnson.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
However, like Emma Watson, I have been done for speeding
a few times.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I haven't, but it's only because like I only drive places.
I drive down the road to the shops and I
can't go I want to be in a freeway.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, I don't listen to my advice.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah no, no, again, this is the thing, like we're
sort of laughing at everyone wants in. But also I
feel a real affinity with her. Yeah, She's like it's
really hard. She's like I swear I used to be
able to do things. I'm just in this moment in
time where like I can't seem to get myself to
where I need to go. I can't seem to do
what I need to do. I can't seem to like
live as an adult in this world without all these
things around me. And I do think that's like quite
(29:53):
you get to a stage sometimes you're like, I used
to be good at stuff. Yeah, I can't quite do
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
No, I can't drive.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
And also when she talks about dating, it's funny you
were saying that because she has written a play about herself.
She goes in the interview, I sent it to you
Jay for you to read, and he's like, oh okay,
which Jay's like, Madam is just like in the Yeah,
I actually feel like he would read it. But I
almost felt like, deez, Emma Watson sent it to me,
I'll read it. But she says sometimes she does either
(30:20):
send it to dates or read it aloud to date
so they can understand her more.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That sounds like my worst night matter of the first date.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, here's the thing. It's interesting because.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
What's that to understand more? You know what I mean,
I feel like in her situation, if you're going on
a date, say with someone who's non famous, yeah, the
last thing you want to do is to tell them
more about yourself so early on, like they are already
coming in with there's like upper hand because they know
more about you already than you know about them. So
I would just call it for a bit.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
No, no, But she's doing it because she thinks that
the preconceived notion of her. It made me think of
that scene in Nodding Hill where Julia Roberts character says
to Hugh Grant, like, people go to bed with the
version of me, the movie star version of me, and
they wake up with the real me, and it's a
disappointment always. And that's what Maybe that's what people do
with me me too, like the version of you we
(31:08):
see on the spill. Well, maybe you should try this tactic,
so Emma Watson said as a woman who is dating. Now,
Emma Watson is dating, but she is also and I
hate this. It's okay if she wants to do it,
but I hate when women do stuff like this. She's
self partnered, which means that she identifies as someone who
will always be even if she's in a relationship, she
(31:29):
is partnered to herself, and that is her most important
I like the sentiment. I just don't think I loved
self partnered. Or maybe I'm not evolved enough yet to
be there, because I understand if anyone understands being a
single woman and being by yourself, like it's me. I
understand that one hundred Why women.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So scared of saying the word I'm single. Yeah, I
just say that it's fine.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't understand having to put a label on it
or like.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's like if you go to a wedding, do you
check yes for plus one? Yourself?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yourself?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Because yourself, So you get the chicken and the fish.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Because you've got yours on like your travel forms, your
bank forms, you say relationship status and you're alone, relationship.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
In a relationship?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
How many people living in the house for there's too
that's still about self partner again, whatever people want to do.
But I'm just I'm not evolved enough to be self partnered.
Emma Watson is she's obviously smarter than me. Well, she
went to Brown and Oxford, so I think that's fair
to say.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I love how I've talked with the caveat that, but
if I do get into a relationship, I'm still self partnered. Yeah,
because she's not going to stop her from getting into
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She says, she's out there dating, like she's not saying, oh,
I want to be single. It's like most people who
are single, they're like not making a stance on being single.
I mean, like I'm going to be single. It's just literally,
like I haven't met anyone, and being single is better
than dating one of the jerks that I've met.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah. Literally, But she says she went on.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
She talks to her date she went on recently. She's like,
I'm woman in my thirties dating and it's awful. She's like, no,
because she's in her thirties. But she's like, dating in general,
I think we can all agree no matter who you are,
is a bit difficult sometimes, but it's what she's doing.
And so she talks about the fact that she was
on a date with the Sky and halfway through the
date he goes to her like, oh, I've got to say,
(33:09):
like I'm really the idea of Emma Watson makes me really,
really nervous, And she was like the idea of Emma
Watson makes me nervous because.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Oh, why did you say that?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, because she's like, it was this thing looming over
them on their date, that he was so nervous about
dating this person who has been famous, internationally famous, her
entire life is in these huge movies, has this huge persona,
but also does all these things, like as a spokeswoman
for this and has done this and all these things.
And she was like, yeah, I'm nervous of her too,
because that's not me. I didn't look like that. She's like,
(33:42):
when I see pictures of myself on billboards and red carpets,
I don't look at that in real life. But she's like,
when I see my like myself edited down, I don't
speak like that in real life. So like, I walk
into a room with Emma Watson looming over me, and
she's too much to deal with. But I am Emma Watson.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, I would be really like shitty to be a
really famous person dating people who aren't famous, because you're
constantly having to explain yourself. You're constantly on the first day,
you're constantly having to be like, I'm like that, I'm
like that, this is what I'm like this one and
Oh my god. I can't even imagine how frustrating that
would be.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah. Yeah, there's just had a lot of relatable moments
in the interview. One is when she talks about one
of the reasons that she stepped away from making movies,
and she stepped away from Hollywood for over five years
and Little Women was her last big role. And also
interesting with Little Women like I don know if you remember
this at the time, that she did one premiere I
think and then opted out of the entire press tour.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I don't remember this.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, so the press tool was huge because it was
Sir Charone and Florence Pugh and Laura Dean and Meryl
Streep and Timothy Charlemagne. It was this huge thing. But
at the time, Emma Watson was one of the biggest stars.
Like now, Florence Pugh would probably be the biggest star,
but then Emma Watson was like number one.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
It was number one because when I first watched Little Women,
and that's when it became like one of my favorite
movies of old time, it was I was watching it
for Emma Watson, like for me, she was the most famous.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
So we've got to think she's coming off of not
just the Harry Potter franchise, but like Beauty and the
Beast and these huge kind of things and people really
loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
What was that movie she played, the one about those teenagers.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, Sophia Copler is the Bling Ring. Yeah. Oh that
was a mild apart her. I actually loved her as
like Americanah, my god, she was crazy. No, she was
so good in that. But yes, she talks about the
fact that one of the reasons that she stepped away
from acting, and it was really telling that she also
stepped away from the press to her of that movie,
because at the time, people like, why are all the
(35:36):
other women like out hilling this movie across the world
and Emma Watson's not. She must have had some caveat
in a contract or did she just say I'm not
doing it, which I don't think you can because you
will get suit. You get paid an extra amount on
top of the movie to do the press run. So
something must have happened.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Now, some actors get away with not having to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, but they have to get that into the contract
before they filmed the movie. Right, Okay, if you like
sign on to film the movie, you get paid an
extra amount, and.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Do you think it's like unlikely for her to ever
get a contract like that just because she hasn't been
in the story for that long.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, now, I think that she would be the one
that they'd say, you have to do press because people
want to talk to you. Because of Harry Potter. People
always want to interview her. There's never going to be
a moment in her career where people are turning away
that opportunity to chat to her because she's just such
a recognizable name. But she talks about the fact that
she grew up on the Harry Potter sets and they
(36:25):
felt like such a family, and then she went into
other movies basically looking for family and friendship and didn't
find it.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And they were very much like, this.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Is a job, because most people don't come to those
environments looking for friendships. They're looking for this is my chance,
this is my role. And I was not of that mindset,
and so I found the rejection really painful. I think
it's so unusual to make a set of films for
(36:55):
twelve years and we were a community, like we really were,
And so I took that as an expectation into my
other workplaces, and I just got my I just got
my ass kicked.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I really did.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
I'm just not thick skinned. Maybe I just wasn't built
for those kinds of highly compatitive environments.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It, Yeah, it broke me.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, but in a way, I'm proud that it did,
because I guess that means they have something left to break.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
They're a heart left to break. That's so heartbreaking. Yeah,
it really is saying that I have a heart to break.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And she's if you watch the video of it, she's
crying quite a bit, and I understand that because she's
looking back on this moment. And then later in the interview,
she says, the other really hard thing is that when
you go on these press tours is that all the
actors sit there and they get asked like, do you
guys hang out together? Are your friends? Everyone says yes,
and she says it's not true. We don't hang out together.
People don't see each other. That's so rare for.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's just what the audience want to.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Hear, exactly. And she said, the further heartbreak is pretending
something that you want. She just sounds like an incredibly
lonely person for someone who and I'm not saying she
doesn't have family or friends or anything like that. But
I just think she went into all these movies with
so much money and fame that she didn't have to
keep acting. It sounds like she just wanted community, and
she wanted friends and just wasn't able to find that.
(38:21):
I don't mean this to come out in a bad way,
but I do find something a little comforting in the
fact that even Emma Watson, Golden Girl of Our Lives,
struggles with loneliness and friendship, because when you get into
your thirties, finding friends is hard and finding community is
really really hard. And I just assumed it would be
a bit easier if you were her.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, it feels like it's harder.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, And she doesn't sort of say anything bad eating
her coast does. I'm sure people will jump to that.
They'll be like, was it Florence Pugh who.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I think most people are assuming it's women?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah? Was it ser Charone? Or like, was it someone
on the cast of Was it Josh gadd on the
cast of Beauty in the Nies? Was it Tom Hanks
in the Circle? Was it bag? Wasn't the girls on
the Bling Ring set? You know what I mean? Like,
but it probably was a little bit of all of them.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, where you go into like being a and that
being your life, like it's not just a job for you.
It's like they would have had tutors, their parents were
on set, they would look in the actual community to
them being an adult and trying to do the same thing.
And then you're just there by yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, And I think it happens. I think it's really
refreshing to hear, because like, even from my own point
of view, like I met a lot of friends at
Mama Mea who are all my best friends now. But
I before that, I moved to so many new cities
where I knew no one for work, and every time
I got there, I kind of assumed that I would
just be friends with who I worked with, And sometimes
I wanted to a year with no friends, having no
(39:41):
one in a town, no friends, no one. And it
wasn't that there was something wrong with me, I hope,
or something wrong with them. It was more so that, like,
you just don't make friends and community everywhere you go,
no matter how sparkly you are. And so I feel
like that's what she's trying to say, And I feel
like people are trying to look for a celebrity feud.
But it's just someone who was looking for friendship and
friendship is hard and she couldn't find it. So ancuse,
(40:04):
as I said, the full interview with Emma is over
two hours long.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, it's so worth listening. It's so worth it.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, speaks so well. Yeah, And as much as we're
having a little laugh at our speeding self partnered gal,
we still we can only do that because I feel
like she's ours. She's like our yea, our's one of
our people.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
We claimed her.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
We've claimed her. So it's like you can like make
fun of your friends, but other people can't survivor.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
With any people in relationships. No, you can't say anything
about it. We're allowed to say it. Thank you so
much for listening to this episode of the Spill. Make
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