August 22, 2025 • 43 mins
The moment you've all been waiting for is finally here… our brutally honest review of And Just Like That Season 3 – the very last time we’ll see Carrie, Miranda and Charlotte on our screens.
We break down the character arcs, what really worked (and what didn’t), and unpack that shocking ending. Was this truly how it was supposed to end? Or was the finale cut short because the show was cancelled? The speculation is everywhere, and we have thoughts.
If you’ve been watching from day one, this is the farewell episode you don’t want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodnick, I'm cassmue Lugitch.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And I'm Tina Burke. Well, we did need three people
on today for this historic moment because this is our
brutally honest review of Just Like That, but also potentially
the last time on this earth in our lifetime that
we will talk about the Sex and City characters when
the show is currently airing. It really is an end
(00:51):
of an era, yes, because towards the end of this season,
the third season, it was announced by showrunner Michael Patrick
King that the show was coming to an end. So
it really adds an extra level of gravity and emotion
and passion to this last season and devastation. Yes, if
you're Laura Brodnick, who's been very passionate.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So I've started us off in a fun note. I
feel like because it was so abrupt, it feels like
people haven't really had a chance to grieve.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, exactly, which we will definitely get into when we
discuss the finale because I have so many thoughts. There's
so many characters and storylines, twelve episodes this season, so
much to talk about. But we're going to start off
with Charlotte as we go through our main characters.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I actually really enjoyed Charlotte this season. I know she
got a lot of criticism in early seasons for her
acting or whatever it was. I actually loved her. I
found her really endearing. I love her and Harry's relationship
and sort of her main storyline was going back into
the workforce and then Harry getting cancer. I just really
(01:54):
enjoyed watching her be a mom. I think she was
actually my favorite this season.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh that's interesting because a lot of the criticism of
the show came back, and there has been a lot,
was that people felt like Kristin davis One had forgotten
to act because out of all the people on the show,
she had been out of the game the longest, and
so it did take her a while to find her
footing in the show. I think she did in the
final season, but also people always wanted more from her character,
and I think the Harry storyline around his cancer finally
(02:21):
gave her something to be very emotional about outside of
just motherhood, because let us not forget this season started
terribly for her with a bullying story about her dog
Richard Burton.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
That was crazy to me because Richard Burton would never
do that. Sorry, this was your level of that range.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
WHOA, But no, it was like everyone else has these big,
emotional complex storylines and then Charlotte just has been getting
the weirdest stuff. And you know what, to be fair,
she had a dog storyline in Sex and the City too.
It's not crazy for her Taylor have a dog storyline.
But it did feel like maybe she wasn't getting those
moments to shine. And as you said, like she'd kind
of been in like Netflix so about its good movies,
(02:58):
and she'd been in a few things where she wasn't
using her like amazing acting skills as much.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Maybe it felt like she was a tear down from
the rest and where they were at.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But the Elizabeth Taylor storyline in the final season Sex
and the City was there for a reason. It was
just so she had a dog. It was there to
be a companion piece to her own journey of motherhood
and her taking on the dog. Remember how the dog
got pregnant, she was like, Elizabeth Taylor, Mommy, can't look
at you right now, and then her like being so
happy when the babies came along. It was this weird
kind of thing with her own fertility.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
We had beautiful and it tidy, and I think they
always did with her, like even when she was doing
something rogue and weird, it made sense for her, and
she still felt like a complete and total person with
like opinions and vibes and ideas, and then this just
felt like she was there.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
But that was I think at the beginning of the season.
I think as the season progressed, she kind of really
went into her own I liked all the clubbing stuff,
like being a woman in her fifties try and go
clubbing made me like have a little tortal and being
like I need to be in bed, which is exactly
how I feel like every day of the wake. And
then the Harry's stuff, I mean, trying to work on
their sex life after cancer. I think that was a
(04:02):
nice sort of at least something a little bit more
involved than the beginning of the season. But I do
think it just took Kristen Davis a little bit of
time to get back into the swing of things. But
if we look at episode one and just like that
season one versus season three, episode twelve, I think you
(04:22):
can notice a really big difference.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, and as speaking of the cancer storyline, obviously that
was such a big moment for her and I did
love it because it led to my favorite moment of
this entire season, which was the moment when Charlotte's in
the shopping center buying the adult diapers for Harry and
she sees carriage. She's not supposed to tell her, but
they just have this breakdown moment they hug each other,
and for me, that was like what the true essence
of the show is about. And I also kind of
(04:46):
felt a bit like just like, yeah, I knew we
were going here, because I knew Harry goldenblattzed penis would
just keep being a part of my life like it
was always. It was always such a big factor in
the original Sex and the City. We saw his full
frontal penis in the first season of and just like that,
it was a whole character. It's had its own plot point,
it's probably listed as a supporting character in the cast notes,
like it's always been part of the story, so it's
(05:07):
kind of fitting that the final episode was about him
getting high again then been able to have sex, I know, and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Also kids being so happy for them, Like Lily answers
the door, she's like mom and dad are in bed.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like I think about that moment in the finale when yeah,
Lily goes out to answer the door for Aunt Carrie,
and she was very giddy that her parents are having sex.
Because even though that actress is thirty and her true
age should be mid twenties, the character in the show
was only sixteen.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
According to Michael Patrick Harris. She's cross timeline.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, he's just doing whatever he wants and that's fun
for him. I thought it was like quite sweet because
obviously throughout the season we see the way that she
behaves towards her mom and like how much Charlotte just
wants to connect and bond with her and like be
supportive of her relationship and all of that, and then
like Lily's just kind of been a bit annoying at times,
as all teens are, and allegedly she's a teenager and
not a woman in the twenties, but it was nice
(05:55):
to see her have a moment, even if I'm like
ill cringe.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
She's just happy her dad's.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Made it through and he's there in love, and you
know what, fine.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Good for you. It wouldn't be me, but good for you.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Guys. What do we think about the Rock Millie storyline,
you know, the thoroughly modern Millie storyline and Charlotte being
like excited to be able to see Rock in address
a lot of the Rock and Rose stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That storyline we see going through this season has sometimes
been a bit clunkly handled, but has also I did
think that more was going to come out of that
particular storyline that we were going to see, maybe like
Rock struggle with their identity or something not that they
had made like a wrong choice and sort of identifying
as a particular gender. But it just felt like they
had centered so much to the storyline on the kids
(06:38):
that it was going to be there, and then it
was Charlotte's own internal struggle and it was kind of
all wrapped up very neatly in a bowl of like
I'm going to be many people of our life beautiful.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
It's so cynical of me as well usually, but like
I was like, great, we wrapped that one up, and
I mean we'll get to it when we talk about
the finale, But I do feel that was an ad
in to be like and we summed that one up.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, but it was I kind of feel like they
touched on it a little bit, and I did think
it was quite sweet because often when people talk about
family members who have transitioned, they talk about loss and
feeling like they've lost some one, And Charlotte was like
feeling guilty about liking seeing Rock and address and I
thought that was quite sweet.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I do think that the show continued. It obviously
would have been great to see it explored more. Yeah,
give Rock the chance to be more shining.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
There were a lot of storylines where I was like,
it felt like it was very very quickly wrapped up.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, exactly. Well, speaking of storylines quickly wrapped up, as
we talk about Charlotte, we have to talk about Lisa
Todd Wexley, who was kind of introduced as her sidekick
and they very much became her own character having her
storyline wrapped up as well. I kind of hated Lisa's
storyline this season.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I love you know so much, did you know?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I love Nicole Ariry Parker, the actress I think, and
make her the lead in her own TV show like
I love her. I loved her performance. I just thought
this season Lisa Todd Wesley, I must always say her
full name. All of her storylines were so sent on
her husband, like his relationship with her, his mother, and
his bid to win city comptroller. Still don't know what
that is. Apparently it's not that important, like they made
it seem more important than it was, like his bid
(08:07):
to win that, his dealing with the aftermath of that,
his loss. And I know she had that almost a
fair story with Marion hot Hot.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I really wanted them to kiss.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I'm just saying. And I think it would have been
fine because they would have fixed it up. But I
just I kind of hated how she was this super
interesting character that was brought into the show, and there
was questions about people bringing her in just oh, she's
just a diversity higher Rah, and then she was so
good that she felt like she really should have been there.
And then this whole last season just being about a husband,
and then the show ended and her documentary never came out.
(08:39):
That's crazy. What a waste of eight years of her life,
What a waste of three years of my life.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We didn't get to know about if Michelle Obama was
gonna like narrate it. I think Michelle Obama Cliffhanger. I
feel like with her story, I really like her as
a character. I liked her story. I just felt like
it was a bit on a loop. Yeah, you know,
like we didn't really get a lot of resolution, and
I feel like her character could have gone so many places.
(09:05):
There was so much to her and her style was
my favorite, and I know the whole Marian stuff, Like
he was very, very hot, but we would have been
very upset if she had cheated on George Washington.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I know, and he is hot and he can sing
George Washington. But I just thought someone.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That someone anyone has missed.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That, Yes, that's the character Blade in Hamilton. That's why
they got him to sing in that moment. I was like,
no notes on that, But yeah, I just would maybe
want a little bit more from her. But you know,
I hope Michelle Obama like the documentary. That's my main
takeaway from that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Me too. I did love when we got to watch
scenes of the editing, because like it sounded like such
a powerful little documentary, but then like not little, huge
and grand Michelle Obama's involved, but then and like they'd
be looking at the screen and they'd be like, Wow,
that edit was powerful, and it would be like a
PowerPoint slight transition.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yet don't zoom in, and I just like zoom in,
but it's going.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I do love her little outfits all the times I
have with her.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Which brings us to Miranda's story. It's like Steve's in
the room. But I had to I really, I just
love that. I'm going to please do.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I actually thought, out of all of them, Miranda's season
started out the most promising. And even though I'm a
big advocate for we can't keep saying and just like
that should be more like Sex and the City. The
first season of this episode felt very old school Sex
and the City, and it felt like Miranda was stut
to have this really interesting arc because she had finally
kind of lent into her sexuality. Things were good with Steve,
(10:41):
she'd moved out, she'd got this new job, but more importantly,
she was out on the dating scene as a single woman.
And we had that incredible hookup in the first episode
with Rosie O'Donnell, and I thought it was going to
lead to which is so good.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I agree with you. I wish they had gone somewhere. Yeah,
I was reading. Actually Nixon said that Rosie o' donald
had been offered a role in every single season, and
just like that, I was upset that what was only
one episode, Like I kind of wanted her to be
like a bit of a not stalker, but like Miranda,
I think the.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
One episode was perfect because they always tried to get
her for Sex and City as well Becaulse never make
it work. So it felt like this kind of make
good from a decade that was lost. But I love
that it was getting back into this like boyfriend, girlfriend
of the week, Like every week you have a new
person and they're often played by like a really famous
person or a character actor or something like that, and
it's like we were teased with this world that will
(11:33):
never experience and then it was ripped away in the
form of joy who I do like.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It felt so Vito Sex and the City, Like when
they were in the lesbian bar and they're sitting around
like someone's looking at you know, they're not looking at you.
Oh my god, go over and then it's like so
good the babysitter. I was like this is so Sex
and the City coded as it should be, but it's.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Not always and also very old school Sex and City
like publicly humiliate Miranda.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The struggles, but when Rosie o'donald sang wicked to her
in the middle, like, I thought, what an episode show,
I love this place so good?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And then her relationship with Joy. I mean, I guess
it was nice to see her happy in a way,
but it did feel a little too vanilla for me,
given what was dangled at the start of season.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, I agree. I feel like I would have liked
her to have a few more flings and like discover
just explore that a little bit more, because she was
with Chay for so long and then we had the
one night stand and then we went straight to Joy.
I've spoken about this before. My main issue with Miranda
in this is that I felt like a lot of
(12:32):
her core character values had shifted significantly from Sex and
the City days. I felt that she became a little
bit more passive and a bit more awkward. Especially that
dinner party scene where Miranda confronts Carry. That bit really
irritated me because I was like, that is not what
(12:52):
Miranda would do, particularly Miranda in her fifties sixties, who
should be more sure of herself.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, that's I guess been one of the biggest criticisms
of the show as it goes through is that people
think that the true essence of who they were at
the end of Sex and the City and who they
were through the movies has a being picked up in
these later seasons, and it can't be exactly explained by age,
because a lot of the things that people are talking about,
where their personalities are different, all the way they see
(13:20):
the world is different, wouldn't change that dramatically with age.
And then there's the whole thing about people think because
Sarah Tisca Parker, Kristen Davis, and Cynthia Nixon are all
producers and they've had a lot more say in this
season than they did in previous seasons, that maybe they
were writing their characters to be more like them. But
to me, that doesn't hold true from Miranda because I
think she's very opposite to Cynthia Nixon, particularly when she
(13:42):
starts sex shaming Brady's baby mother and Mia and saying well,
how many minutes she slept with and stuff, and I'm like,
that's very anti Miranda to speak like that, yeah, and
just like.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Some of the awkward things that she would do, I
was like, that's just not Miranda.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah. I mean there were a couple of like key
moments where she shines. So I love that her and
Steve found their way back to each other in a
way this season. And then obviously her becoming a grandmother
was kind of an interesting plot point that we just
dropped very quickly because you know, I think the season ended,
they didn't have time to follow it. But I thought
that would have been a really nice kind of bookend
because at the end of the original Sex and the City,
(14:20):
there's this like beautiful moment where you see her like
being a mother and being a wife and caring for
her mother in law and marked her housekeeper being like,
you really love and you're not afraid to embrace that.
And I thought that's where the show was going to
kind of diffinished in that moment, and then it just
finished in a literal pile of shit. And that is
the first time I hate you, Michael Patrick King. That
scene in Miranda's apartment is the first time I've ever
(14:42):
looked away from it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I can't wait about that that finale, when we get
to it. I've got some, I've got notes, but I
also wanted more Steve. I love Steve. I think he's
one of my all time favorite characters, and seeing him
in more of the episodes towards the end made me
very happy. And when he blew up at Brady but
like getting her pregnant and being like, she doesn't want
(15:04):
to be with you. Couldn't we just hear the you know,
wasn't it just like a beautiful little throat? Go back
to when Miranda fell pregnant. Yeah, just such a nice
and I'm seeing Steve that angry.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's I think they could have had more callbacks. I
think people think the callbackside and off. But when he
was like, like you do with mom, and he's like,
I loved your mother, and I'm like, also a side note,
you could have said I have one ball and she
had a lazy ovary. The chances very slim, but there
was some nice I guess a full circle moment there
because the actress who plays Mia is Ben Stiller and
Christine Taylor's daughter, which means her grandmother is Anne Mears,
(15:39):
who played Steve's mother in the original Sex in the City,
whoa yes and obviously Steve's mother in the original Sex
and the City was.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Such an iconic character.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Loved her getting lived at the wedding, loved loved her
getting live the christening of her in general. And so
the actress who plays Mea, that's her real life grandmother.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So in another world, Oh, I love that. That is
a great little fun fan sus.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Fun, which means in another life, Brady Hobbs and Mama
Mia from the show are actually related because they share
a grandmother. Okay, don't everyone's going to start another plot twist.
I loved I loved her like little and I think
that's also like people are like, oh, we're supposed to
hate this girl, and I'm like, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't thin we're supposed to hate her.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Also, people can be complex. I feel like everyone's really
getting on this. Do I hate all like this person?
Like maybe she's complicated.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, she's just meant to be a brassy character like that,
and she's playing homage to the character that her grandmother
played many years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So no, I love that. I feel like she's me
is also playing that very heightened gen Z stereotype. Yeah, yeah,
which I think Sex and the City did a lot
of in those early seasons where was it the rise
of the twenty something or something when younger generation then
it was like when you know, they had Cat Denning's
come in as a sixteen year old really rich kid
(16:56):
and she had the party, and it was like it
was always about those callbacks to the younger generation of women,
and that kind of dynamic of seeing that gen Z
was quite interesting. I would have liked to have seen
a little bit more of that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well well, it kind of feels like, especially towards the
end of it, just like that as we kind of
saw with Mea and her like friends and even Brady
to an extent that the show was like really hammering
down like young people are the worst, which I'm not
against that sentiment, like it's a fun thing to throw
out there. Put it out very different to the first
season when they were trying to be like we're inclusive.
We're trying to be more like aware of like where
the world is, and towards the end there was almost
(17:31):
I felt like from the show like a bit of
an eye roll about like gender and gen Z and
like what people are allowed to say. And I was like, Okay,
I get it right, a's room. You guys think you're
being critiqued and you're taking out on the rest of us. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Something I did really love about Miranda's arc though, was
just her. I mean, her relationship with Carrie's always been
so special to me. But I did think, especially when
Miranda moved in and they kind of had these conversations
really jokingly but very like, no, you should stay longer.
I'm loving this, Like, yeah, they had those tensions and
like those occasional blow ups in Sex and the City
and we saw them, but I really liked seeing what
that would look like further into their friendship, longer into
(18:04):
their lives and where they were at a place to
be comfortable enough to like address and have a mini
confrontation and just get it out rather than I just
thought it was really nice to see, Like I know,
I'm talking about it being nice to see two people
kind of fighting, but like, it was really sweet to
see how they established their boundaries as grown ups and
how strong their friendship still was as a result.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, I hated that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I hated that whole thing. I thought Carrie was being
such a.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But they are their particular people, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I get that. As you get to ald, you get
more set in your ways. But I just really I
was like, she's being such.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Did you just drink my last Mexican coke? Maybe my
favorite line of the seasons so good and my banana
and my yog it?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
My two thoughts on that were like, essentially their family,
their sisters, they can fight. My other thing is like
Carrie do like a dawtersh or something. Yeah, it's so
much money has to be Yeah, don't even that. She
doesn't have to go outside her beautiful mansion. She can
pay someone to bring the food to her door. So
that's the kind of where a rarebit thing is. Carrie
has always been loving and infuriating exactly, So that's kind
(19:05):
of who she is.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And it felt perfect to me that, like, even still
at their big ages, something so silly is this is
her putting her her work on the table and then
spilling it and then cleaning it with the scarf, and
like the time, I mean silly, a little upsetting, but
also just.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Showed me that they still were who they were. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, speaking of Carrie, also one of the most beautiful
things and just like that as a whole has been
her friendship with Seema. I think like seeing the two
of them come together. They have had some of the
most beautiful moments throughout the show, like their first fight
that they had when Seema was selling the house over
Carrie saying like you just broke the glass, and then
seeing her saying like, I didn't mean to, kind of
like how you probably didn't mean to upset me when
(19:41):
you inferred that it was good that I was still
out there and I never find love. And then they
had that iconic scene when they were both getting their
hair washed and they went out to the road and
their wet hair and the rain and had that conversation
about when Aiden came in and ruined everyone's lives around
how Carrie had promised her this certain thing they were
going to do for the holidays, and then Seema being like,
I can't just be a third wheel to you, and
(20:01):
having these beautiful moments. So I thought like their friendship
through this season was really lovely. But of course there
was Adam.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I love Adam, so I loved the Sexy Gardener two.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
As soon as he drove up in that dirty truck
with that Hamburger T shirt and a slight smear of dirt,
his perfect face. I was like, here we go. This
is what I signed up for. This is what I'm
paying my max log in account for. This is what
we're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
If he enters my screen, like my mind just goes what.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's my favorite fact to tell people that that is
the same actor who played Tray on the OC and
again my teenage crush. Here he is a dirty old
Dirney old man.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I love it. I loved it. I loved the little
like a bit scruffy, ruffy, but he.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Got less hot as the season went on.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
We got like, I think his personality at first for
me as much as it could have been maybe a
little bit tirer with the dialogue, like he was funny,
he had quips, he had the girls laughing, and like
he's feel sassy. He had a really fun, strong first
thing of him. And then over time, Mom.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I didn't like the whole deyodorant thing. That really pissed
me off.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I was just like, I was just.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Like, like, leave the woman alone, let her do a thing,
like stop talking about And.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I thought his way of getting hurt not where the
deodorant was a super questionable one because obviously he did
the whole thing of telling her the dangers of it,
and that didn't work. Then he gave her own deodorant
and said it was new, which is so important. That
didn't work. And then at one stage, do you guys
remember seen he put her deodorant in his mouth and
came and kissed her. When she's like that's gross, he's like, yeah,
that's because it's your deeodorant, isn't that He went to
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put his deodret in her mouth and came back and
kissed her, and then he was like trying.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
To prove a point. I'm like, she's like a nightmare
in your mind. Well, I mean, it's gross, but it
would you die if someone did that to you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I mean, I don't love it. It's not the worst thing.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That could happen. But I'm also like, so has anyone
ever taught you that's not where deodrine grows. Yeah, Like,
it's not meant to go in your mouth, like likewise,
if you drink soap, it doesn't taste good. But exactly
that's its intended personal But ultimately, I am happy that
Seema and Adam ended up together. I think that's what
they was saying. That was the whole thing at the
pie where she's like, I don't miss the gluten. That
was her way of saying to the audience, I don't
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miss the idea of marriage. So it was quickly summed up,
but I liked it too quick. But we're fine with it.
I'm happy, she's happy, she's cool. I like her.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, So we've saved the best for last, which is
our heroine and the super chic Carry Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yes, so this seems like a while ago, but it
was not a few episodes ago, the whole Carry and
Aiden's situation. And I'm gonna say the one thing that
I think a lot of fans have taken away from
and just like that, is that a lot of people
finish sex and the City like loving Aiden, and I
think that that was all taken away in this new
season with him and Carrie. But I don't mean to
start a fight or being antagonistic, but I do think
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if you're going to bring him back and make such
a big deal that she gives up her beloved apartment
for him, then we best see that through as far
as we can and give those crazy kids who never
should have been together a chance.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I just feel like it just kind of. It was
so abrupt. I don't even really know why they just
decided that, no, this wasn't gonna It was just so abrupt.
And it was again about this trust thing. But Aiden
was the one that had slept with his ex wife
in the Carry didn't care. But the whole reason they
broke up in the first place because of Big and
then all of a sudden that was it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I was very pro Aiden, the man INSECTX and the city, like,
not for Carry, just for being a person. I liked him, like,
I didn't really think they were the ones to end
up together, but I agree, if you're gonna make this
big deal, bring him back. She gives up her apartment,
they buy this beautiful home, They're going to make a life.
Why did we do all that just to then tear
them apart again in like a very infuriatingly slow way.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I guess you almost had to see them get everything
they wanted, and again it didn't want, yeah exactly, and
again not that they had everything, but it's like, we
have no space together, we've got no homes. Okay, you've
got a home. And then he can't see her because
of his family. All of a sudden his family don't
want him around anymore, and his potential serial killer son
decided he could sleep without him dad.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So is anyone watching that kid?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Is he okay?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
No, he's not getting away from me and from Carrie?
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So I've nervous been such a scary child actor in
my life.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Never I Meanwhile, she's there looking like I know she
hated how she looked in that whole time, but like
I love a dainty dress. Yeah, and I was like
a deal fashion deal fashion moment, and she's like I
hate this, but she's like looking beautiful, having a great time.
And then there's just this kid breaking glass go away.
Oh yeah, that was super dangerous. So I understand why
Aidan had to flee and be with Carrie. But then, yeah,
the serial killer son's out of the picture for the moment.
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He's probably torturing animals somewhere. And then they've got their
home together and like all their friends are on board,
his ex wife's on board.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
There's no barrier. And when there are no barriers, and
they finally sat in their relationship realized that neither of
them could do it because neither of them could budge
on being one hundred percent in. Yeah, and I feel
like as an audience, we needed to see that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, and the whole Duncan. As soon as I saw Duncan,
I was like, Okay, they're not going to work out,
Like Aiden and and Carrie are not working out. As
soon as I saw that downstairs neighbor hot writer done,
I was done so excited.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
There was a lot of promise in this season. I
know that Sex and City and just like that is
supposed to about the men, but it's always been a
little bit about the men, men of the week crushes.
They're like the little they're like the little things that
run around to like entertain the women like they're the
queens and then the men of the what just is?
So when Duncan came along, I was all in because
he was so kind of different in a way just
oh maybe not because he was an angry artist, so
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Petrowsky he didn't want to hang out with her, so
he was big, So maybe he's like maybe he's like
actually like every other man she's ever dated, the.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Artist Yah Samantha's lesbian relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, the reay for Carrie like a culmination of Carr. Yeah.
I was going to say, like she's never had a
guy before, but an artist who doesn't like her, her
two ex boyfriends and her ex husband. But I was
very excited by the arrival Duncan because it felt like
new and exciting and dangerous, and there was going to
be such a build up to him. And my first
time where I started disliking him is that book that
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Carrie was writing. Let's talk about that, because it was
a big deal this season that the full voiceover was
coming back.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's all we were told.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I love the voice in that woman's head. I was
so excited hate her voice.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
We met the book.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That she was up here, it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Has been completely slammed the woman. What's the line? The
woman didn't know.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Know what was going to happen next, So what she
got herself into. That's the part where I started to
question Duncan, because he's meant to be this incredible writer,
this literary man. And he finally starts reading Carrie's first
novel and again we thought we were getting back the
full voiceover from the show, and that has been dangle since.
And just like that came back. When it was first
announced before the show started that Carrie would have a podcast,
everyone's like Oh my god, she's going to have a
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podcast that she does in her apartment and that's going
to be the stand in for the voiceover. But it
was j d Is hitting a woke button, So that
wasn't it. And then when this season started, everyone's like, oh,
the book that she's writing is actually going to be
her narrating, which it kind of was, but it was
this woman in like the eighteenth century. And the first
moment I lost all respect for Duncan the author, is
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when he opened the book and he was like, the
woman didn't know what she was getting herself into and
there was a pause. I'm like, he's going to tell
her that that is the most cliche, clunky tech because
it is cliche, clunky, terrible writing, and he's going to
be the first person who's really really honest with her
and this is going to build their relationship. And I
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was all in and I was seated and he goes
brilliant I know, and I was like, so you are
not a writer.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
What an unexpected way to start, and then like like
Miranda references it as well. It was just like I
was like, guys, come on.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And that was also shit for Carrie Bradshaw because Carrie
Bradshaw has got a lot of criticism from like real
life people over the years that she's a really bad writer,
because you know, sometimes people will zoom in on what's
on her computer. I never do that in a show
because you know who writes that, the interns, And I'm
sure they're really clever, but they just started getting exactly
who's just like Jerish Deberation, Sex and City Love whatever,
So don't do that. But if you actually listen to
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the voiceover in Sex and the City, like that's Carrie's writing,
they meant to be passages from her column and she's
a beautiful writer. So when this came out and people
were ridiculing it and saying like, of course she can't
write a book, I felt a real sense of injustice
for her that in this final season that had been
taken away from her. I didn't feel quite as passionate
that it was as awful as you, but I respect her.
What you want to read the woman, I'll read the woman.
(28:06):
Why not? But no, I agree. I found it weird
when she.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Goes, I love your book, he goes, I love your book.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
End scene, Like yes, I really did think that the
acclaimed biographer man British angry dude who doesn't like stomping
and blah blah blah would look at her book and
her chapter and have.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Notes at least yeah, and that he wouldn't like it,
and yeah, then maybe.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
She changed what she was doing her stories. Nodded cringe.
But you know I love cringe things, so I would
have read that book for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Exactly A cringe romance by Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
You just going to the best seller.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
List, best seller adaptation. It's all coming for you know,
the moment she and Seema are having cocktails and she's
talking about Duncan. It's the first time she's kind of
letting herself believe that something could happen, and she said
something really interesting that again, a lot of people have criticized,
but I'm on Carrie's side with this is that it's
the first time someone has made her feel really smart.
And a lot of people who critique this show for
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a living that I listened to and read their work
of being like, oh, she's always been the smart one,
but if you actually look at it, like mister Bieck
always saw her as like this crazy kid about town, Like.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He calls her kid yeah, yeah, like here's something she's smart.
He doesn't read her work.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Now, I know they loved each other, even though the
show forgot that at some point.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And Petrovsky was very like, I'm an talk down to her,
like he was like very patronizing, and so did Aiden.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I feel like she was always seen through the lens
of she's tiny. She loves all these big men, which
I hate women like that anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But the tall guys for the tall women, and.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's always like she's this crazy fashion ee star that
all these men just find so cute and sexy. And
I felt that when she said that that has been
she's been portrayed, so him being like, even though the
book was trash, him being like, I think you're so
smart and that's why I like you.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I didn't like you before that. I thought was
actually really loved.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And you could see that in the way she prefaced
it when she gave him the book. She's like, don't
make fun of this. Yeah, like I know that wasn't
what she said, but she gave it to him this
whole speel of like this isn't as good as your work,
this isn't as amazing, So to then you have someone
who actually saw her as smart and interesting and like
a whole complete person and not this crazy woman in
big heels.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, it was really lovely.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Although the way the relationship started was because she was
walking around in the heels in the house, which also
really irritated me, like, take your damn shoes, it's so
disrespectful she is.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
She's like, oh, I can't take my shoes off. I
don't know how to stand on flat feet. Okay, carry.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I actually do believe that performed in a way.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Can I tell you the moment I started hating Duncan
the author, please, I hated him so much. It's when
he went upstairs to fix Carrie's printer, and I always
thought his personality just changes, so like the writers obviously
like maybe the writer's to swapover where one group didn't
send the handover email to the other group about where
Duncan was going, and so they started afresh. It's like
a weird mad libs where it just went wrong. But
he goes up to say, to fix Carrie's computer. I
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kind of talk about this without feeling sick, and he
sees her dresses and he's like, oh, they're really nice,
which is fine, and then she's like, let me show
you something, takes him into her shoe closet, turns on
the light, sees all the beautiful shoes which have been
carefully picked out to like be all different designers that
Carrie has mentioned a worn over the years. A pair
of Dolly Alderton's shoes is in there, as like a
little nod to like the other ultimate single girl love.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Isn't that so weird?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I love that that's all ruined because Dunky walks over,
picks up one of the shoes and goes, sparkle, sparkle,
and then he goes, what's that and he pretends to
talk to the shoe and he goes, oh, you're sorry
that I've been keeping your mummy so busy and that
we haven't been able to go to parties. And in
that moment, I was so horrified. I felt my ovaries
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like shrink up, leave my body. I was like, I'll
never touch another man again, and like just leave this
world because I had the biggest ick from that man
and Carrie didn't get the ick I nearly reached. That's
when you know that you're really down bad for a guy.
It's like they'll do the most disgusting.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Thing, like talk to your shoe and a baby voice, and.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I was like, oh you mummy, ew yuck. I know. Yeah. Anyway,
so when Duncan said I was leaving, he was leaving
the show and never coming back to New York ever. Again,
I did feel bad for Carrie, but I also like,
run away from that man quick.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It was sad for her because you know she liked him.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Good for her.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But I agree he was doing my head in a
little bit by the end. And I do think it
was that shoe sing because I don't want to watch
that happen. Yeah, I don't want to see that side
of his personality exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Should we move on to the finale before we.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Get into that, A question to both of you. At finale,
do you think it was meant to be the final episode?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
No, yeah, no at all And okay, so if anyone
who's on across this whole thing, Michael Patrick King announced
that the show would be coming to an end, and
his official statement and the official statements from everyone else
in the show, including Sarah Jessica Parker, is that they
made the decision to end and just like that after
season three because they felt that they had come to
the place they wanted to stop, and Michael Patrick King
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said he called Sarah Jessica Parker and she said, I
believe there are no more stories about Carrie left to tell.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
This doesn't track for a few reasons, and one of
those is that it just seems strange with like the
amount of press they were doing throughout the series. And
also if you listen to the Writer's Room podcast, the
way they're talking in the finale episodes and nothing they're
saying alludes to it being the finale. It's also come
out from a few well placed sources that it was
track negotiations allegedly that break down the whole thing. That
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it's a very very expensive show to make. There's a
lot of different contracts that needed to be negotiated, and
they were trying up until the last minute to keep
it going but just couldn't get it across the line.
And also there were two very long episodes this season
that were then split in half, including the finale. So
the reason it feels just joined it and the reason
the second last episode doesn't feel like enough is actually
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the beginning of the first episode.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, we also hear from Motley Rodgers, who's the stylist.
She said she had no idea when she styled the
final episode that this was going to be the end
of it. And that's what I will say, so style,
You're styling the final episode of this series knowing that
this is probably going to be the end of an
entire franchise and you don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And Kristin Davis and Synthe Nixon has said that they
didn't know, which that is the thing that doesn't track
for me because Michael Patrick King said he didn't want
to tell the viewers because he didn't want people all
sees and being like, so, what's gonna happen in the end,
what's gonna happen in the end, and being so frantic.
He wanted people just to enjoy it. Again, I might
believe that without all the other evidence, but I'm like
christ And Davis and Cynthia Nixon, the two co lead
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actresses producers of the show who have been in this
franchise for decades with you. You lied to them as well.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's your track with me, and I think, like we'll
obviously talk about it, but yes, the ending scene helps
when you've got that song playing and the voiceover to
tie up all these storylines to make it seem like
it was the end of something. But for pretty much
everyone except Carrie, I'm like, wait, what what happened with this?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
What happened with this?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
There's all of these like loose storylines, and that's perfectly
fine for a season finale, But I would never have
expected it for like a series finale. And obviously, yes,
I would expect that it points to like here's where
Miranda's life is gonna head, Here's where Charlotte's lie's gonna head.
But I think without those final like three minute montage,
I don't think it would have felt like a finale
and the end of these characters. Really, for me, I
would not have expected that.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh I don't say that. I know, but I cried
so much.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But I wasn't crying for this episode except for the
bathroom seeing that. Okay, can we talk about the bathroom sea?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay? Okay, Now I haven't seen it, so I can't comment.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
People were very disgusted by it. If you don't know,
there's pool everywhere, I'm going to grace you out. Even
more so, I read this interview with the prop master,
So the prop Master's name is Michael Clay, and he
said that when Michael Patrick King came to him that
there was going to be a lot of pooh. It
was like this metaphor for the shit that the characters
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had gone through, which I think is a bit of
a stretch. I think it's just gross. Now, the pooh
was made out of do you know, I don't want
to know. The pooh was made out of modeling clay,
which was the top bit. Then what they did is
mixed in a bucket brand muffins, vanilla ice cream, chocolate syrup,
Lubner which is like yogurt, and then like lots of
water and they mixed it all in a bucket. One
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of the quotes was I wanted it to be really chunky.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's so disgusting. Why would sorry. This also fits with
a theory this wasn't supposed to be the lastpisode because
if this is the last episode the most glamorous series,
the show that you have devoted, like, yes, this show
means a lot to us, but it means a lot
more to Michael Patrick King and Sir Jessica Parker, who
this has shaped their entire lives and careers. They have
been doing this for decades. I just don't think that
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would have been their biggest thought going into the final
episode if they knew it was the final episode. And
also a note to mister Michael Patrick King, who I love.
That man has given me so much. But at the
same time, here's mismanagement of this season one. People are
saying that the show was too expensive to make, and
we can tell because of that situation, which I'm sure
was very expensive, and also the fact that half their
budget went to that stupid puppet of Giuseppe that took
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like over a year to make for one stupid joke
that didn't work. That is a mismanagement of funds. I
don't want to say that's why the show was canceled,
but it feels like that's why the show was canceled.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I would agree with that also because I feel there
are so many scenes that were added in throughout the
season and like, I love it, and just like that,
I don't hate watch it.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I genuinely love watch it.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I treat it and I know you do, and I
treat it as like it's a bit different to Sex
in the City, but I love it. There's so many
scenes in it where you go.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You were on location.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You hired an entire staff to be here for this
one scene of Sema in a different location and her
hair is burnt in a fire and she delivers some
weird dialogue and that's the end of the scene. And
it added nothing the funds that would have been used
on useless scenes throughout Misspanish.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I just think that Michael Patrick King just forgot why
we loved this show, because he keeps giving us throughout
the season little tastes like why did we never have
a conversation that we got to see with Carrie and
her best friends after the Aiden break up? Like we
never saw them had that debrief. We never got to
see her tell them like about Aiden sleeping with his
ex wife. For all these big moments.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
We also never saw any sort of throwback to be Yeah,
I think they forgot that part. Well. I think there
was a little bit to do with the fact that
Chris Notath had that yeah allegations, Yeah yeah, but you know,
you spent twenty years with this man or whatever it was,
and then Aiden comes along and you think he's the
best scene and then BIG's gone and your grief is
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gone for him, and you don't they never mentioned him.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, except all that they made that one line, and
I think it was in season two where Carrie and
Miranda walking again. Those walk and talk scenes or the
girls having cocktails are always the best, and they've been
so few and far between the season, but when they
had them, they hit so hard where Carrie's like was big,
just a big mistake and that's never addressed again, I know.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
But that's what I mean, Like she just says that
the last twenty years of their relationship was a mistake.
Like what what? What's hard?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Because the thing is when you listen to the writer's
room podcasts that I do, which is Michael Patrick King
and the writers who do each episode, and they, in
painstaking detail explain every decision, why they did it, Why
this person's doing that, here's the backstory you didn't see,
and when you have them in your head, it does
make more sense. But again, again not to shoot on
Michael Patrick kinks. I do love him, but I also
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think again I just want to take him aside and say,
if you have to explain it that much, if you
need a companion podcast for over an hour to explain
every decision your character's mean because you couldn't get that
across on screen, then you need to look at your
storytelling devices in saying that, though we had obviously some
nice moments with like the three Core girls in those
last two episodes, like they were all sitting at Carrie's
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house having the cocktails, the three way phone call when
they found out Brady had impregnated someone classic like Sex
and the City callback.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And I think it does make it clear that this
was not intended as the last episode to me, because
they didn't have a single scene of the three of
them together in the final episode. But what you're saying
about it having been cut in half, then technically they
were supposed to have one in this episode and they
just didn't. But so I just don't think you intended
to end something without giving me a scene with all
of them in that they like almost had it they
had four of them.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
It was just so strange. A few things were mishandled,
and I just wish they had got a full final
season that they knew that was coming, so they could
have wrapped up all these stories. Because the last episode
of Sex and the City, and I know we shouldn't
compare them, but the last episode of Sex and the City,
whether you agree with it or not, is so beautifully
done and everyone, every single character gets this beautiful wrap
up moment. And but then you still end with Carrie
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kind of walking down the street by herself. And so
there is that kind of like beautiful imagery for that
show that I feel like what you're saying, like they
tried to have it in the season. They tried to
have Carrie dancing around her home in the beautiful tul
So it's a callback to the first episode in the
sequence like classically Carrie, which I did love.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And the final line being the woman realized she was
not alone, she was on her own.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Can I just say one point on that, And this
is when I started crying. Well, I was crying all
the way through, crying for the characters, not for this
episode which I had to cover my eyes in. But
part of me did love that it ended up with
Carrie as a single woman. Not because I think it's
better to be married or single, there's one that's better
than the other. It's just that Darren Starr, who was
the original show runner for Sex and the City and
Candice Bushnell, who wrote the original Sex and the City
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books and Carry is based on her. When they first
got together to make the show, they always pictured that
Carrie would end up single at the end of the show.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That was their goal.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
And then when different writers came in and Michael Patrick
King wanted to really be about like who would she
choose Petrofsky, You're big, and that's the way they went.
So as I was watching that and I was seeing
Carrie had that moment, I did have this beautiful thought like, Oh,
that original Carrie who existed in like imaginations before she
was a character. She has somehow through this like wild
world of sex and scene and just like that ended
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up exactly where she was always supposed to be. And
so I kind of loved that. I did really like
a beautiful ending.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I thought it was beautiful, and like, as much as
I say, I don't think they planned it, I do
think that was possibly a reshoot or an additional or
something like. I did think it really beautifully wrapped it up.
It helped tie together everything and it was a nice scene.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
And I think loneliness and the concept of being scared
of being alone did feature so much insex and the scene.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
But they were obviously like younger and they were on
the dating scene and then they found their people, so
to end up back at this place where it was
something that terrified her through this episode and then she's going, oh,
I'm actually just like on my own and that's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
It was really lovely and we get a little throwback
for the two. Two we do, so I think that
made a lot of people happy. Then I'm like Mollie
Roger says that she doesn't that that was just a
happy accident, so I'm confused, But I.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Also think it was just a way to end the
season that ended up being a special moment that she
was in the two too. So like, overall, I know
we've said some bad stuff, but overall, I am so
thankful that and just like that existed. I wish it
would gone for five more seasons, but I'm just so
happy we had it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Me too, I think it was charming and lovely. Even
if there were moments maybe we all would.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Have cheted agreed one more, just like come on one
most four would have been good. I think four would
have been nice. I've just so many loose hands and
I really want to Yeah, I say never.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
You never know. Carrie Brashaw, she does unexpected things.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
We get another that that would beautiful. Thank you so
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodnick, I'm cassmue Lugitch.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And I'm Tina Burke. Well, we did need three people
on today for this historic moment because this is our
brutally honest review of Just Like That, but also potentially
the last time on this earth in our lifetime that
we will talk about the Sex and City characters when
the show is currently airing. It really is an end
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of an era, yes, because towards the end of this season,
the third season, it was announced by showrunner Michael Patrick
King that the show was coming to an end. So
it really adds an extra level of gravity and emotion
and passion to this last season and devastation. Yes, if
you're Laura Brodnick, who's been very passionate.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So I've started us off in a fun note. I
feel like because it was so abrupt, it feels like
people haven't really had a chance to grieve.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, exactly, which we will definitely get into when we
discuss the finale because I have so many thoughts. There's
so many characters and storylines, twelve episodes this season, so
much to talk about. But we're going to start off
with Charlotte as we go through our main characters.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I actually really enjoyed Charlotte this season. I know she
got a lot of criticism in early seasons for her
acting or whatever it was. I actually loved her. I
found her really endearing. I love her and Harry's relationship
and sort of her main storyline was going back into
the workforce and then Harry getting cancer. I just really
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enjoyed watching her be a mom. I think she was
actually my favorite this season.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh that's interesting because a lot of the criticism of
the show came back, and there has been a lot,
was that people felt like Kristin davis One had forgotten
to act because out of all the people on the show,
she had been out of the game the longest, and
so it did take her a while to find her
footing in the show. I think she did in the
final season, but also people always wanted more from her character,
and I think the Harry storyline around his cancer finally
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gave her something to be very emotional about outside of
just motherhood, because let us not forget this season started
terribly for her with a bullying story about her dog
Richard Burton.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
That was crazy to me because Richard Burton would never
do that. Sorry, this was your level of that range.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
WHOA, But no, it was like everyone else has these big,
emotional complex storylines and then Charlotte just has been getting
the weirdest stuff. And you know what, to be fair,
she had a dog storyline in Sex and the City too.
It's not crazy for her Taylor have a dog storyline.
But it did feel like maybe she wasn't getting those
moments to shine. And as you said, like she'd kind
of been in like Netflix so about its good movies,
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and she'd been in a few things where she wasn't
using her like amazing acting skills as much.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Maybe it felt like she was a tear down from
the rest and where they were at.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But the Elizabeth Taylor storyline in the final season Sex
and the City was there for a reason. It was
just so she had a dog. It was there to
be a companion piece to her own journey of motherhood
and her taking on the dog. Remember how the dog
got pregnant, she was like, Elizabeth Taylor, Mommy, can't look
at you right now, and then her like being so
happy when the babies came along. It was this weird
kind of thing with her own fertility.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
We had beautiful and it tidy, and I think they
always did with her, like even when she was doing
something rogue and weird, it made sense for her, and
she still felt like a complete and total person with
like opinions and vibes and ideas, and then this just
felt like she was there.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
But that was I think at the beginning of the season.
I think as the season progressed, she kind of really
went into her own I liked all the clubbing stuff,
like being a woman in her fifties try and go
clubbing made me like have a little tortal and being
like I need to be in bed, which is exactly
how I feel like every day of the wake. And
then the Harry's stuff, I mean, trying to work on
their sex life after cancer. I think that was a
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nice sort of at least something a little bit more
involved than the beginning of the season. But I do
think it just took Kristen Davis a little bit of
time to get back into the swing of things. But
if we look at episode one and just like that
season one versus season three, episode twelve, I think you
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can notice a really big difference.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, and as speaking of the cancer storyline, obviously that
was such a big moment for her and I did
love it because it led to my favorite moment of
this entire season, which was the moment when Charlotte's in
the shopping center buying the adult diapers for Harry and
she sees carriage. She's not supposed to tell her, but
they just have this breakdown moment they hug each other,
and for me, that was like what the true essence
of the show is about. And I also kind of
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felt a bit like just like, yeah, I knew we
were going here, because I knew Harry goldenblattzed penis would
just keep being a part of my life like it
was always. It was always such a big factor in
the original Sex and the City. We saw his full
frontal penis in the first season of and just like that,
it was a whole character. It's had its own plot point,
it's probably listed as a supporting character in the cast notes,
like it's always been part of the story, so it's
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kind of fitting that the final episode was about him
getting high again then been able to have sex, I know, and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Also kids being so happy for them, Like Lily answers
the door, she's like mom and dad are in bed.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like I think about that moment in the finale when yeah,
Lily goes out to answer the door for Aunt Carrie,
and she was very giddy that her parents are having sex.
Because even though that actress is thirty and her true
age should be mid twenties, the character in the show
was only sixteen.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
According to Michael Patrick Harris. She's cross timeline.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, he's just doing whatever he wants and that's fun
for him. I thought it was like quite sweet because
obviously throughout the season we see the way that she
behaves towards her mom and like how much Charlotte just
wants to connect and bond with her and like be
supportive of her relationship and all of that, and then
like Lily's just kind of been a bit annoying at times,
as all teens are, and allegedly she's a teenager and
not a woman in the twenties, but it was nice
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to see her have a moment, even if I'm like
ill cringe.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
She's just happy her dad's.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Made it through and he's there in love, and you
know what, fine.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Good for you. It wouldn't be me, but good for you.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Guys. What do we think about the Rock Millie storyline,
you know, the thoroughly modern Millie storyline and Charlotte being
like excited to be able to see Rock in address
a lot of the Rock and Rose stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That storyline we see going through this season has sometimes
been a bit clunkly handled, but has also I did
think that more was going to come out of that
particular storyline that we were going to see, maybe like
Rock struggle with their identity or something not that they
had made like a wrong choice and sort of identifying
as a particular gender. But it just felt like they
had centered so much to the storyline on the kids
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that it was going to be there, and then it
was Charlotte's own internal struggle and it was kind of
all wrapped up very neatly in a bowl of like
I'm going to be many people of our life beautiful.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
It's so cynical of me as well usually, but like
I was like, great, we wrapped that one up, and
I mean we'll get to it when we talk about
the finale, But I do feel that was an ad
in to be like and we summed that one up.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, but it was I kind of feel like they
touched on it a little bit, and I did think
it was quite sweet because often when people talk about
family members who have transitioned, they talk about loss and
feeling like they've lost some one, And Charlotte was like
feeling guilty about liking seeing Rock and address and I
thought that was quite sweet.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I do think that the show continued. It obviously
would have been great to see it explored more. Yeah,
give Rock the chance to be more shining.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
There were a lot of storylines where I was like,
it felt like it was very very quickly wrapped up.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, exactly. Well, speaking of storylines quickly wrapped up, as
we talk about Charlotte, we have to talk about Lisa
Todd Wexley, who was kind of introduced as her sidekick
and they very much became her own character having her
storyline wrapped up as well. I kind of hated Lisa's
storyline this season.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I love you know so much, did you know?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I love Nicole Ariry Parker, the actress I think, and
make her the lead in her own TV show like
I love her. I loved her performance. I just thought
this season Lisa Todd Wesley, I must always say her
full name. All of her storylines were so sent on
her husband, like his relationship with her, his mother, and
his bid to win city comptroller. Still don't know what
that is. Apparently it's not that important, like they made
it seem more important than it was, like his bid
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to win that, his dealing with the aftermath of that,
his loss. And I know she had that almost a
fair story with Marion hot Hot.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I really wanted them to kiss.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I'm just saying. And I think it would have been
fine because they would have fixed it up. But I
just I kind of hated how she was this super
interesting character that was brought into the show, and there
was questions about people bringing her in just oh, she's
just a diversity higher Rah, and then she was so
good that she felt like she really should have been there.
And then this whole last season just being about a husband,
and then the show ended and her documentary never came out.
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That's crazy. What a waste of eight years of her life,
What a waste of three years of my life.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We didn't get to know about if Michelle Obama was
gonna like narrate it. I think Michelle Obama Cliffhanger. I
feel like with her story, I really like her as
a character. I liked her story. I just felt like
it was a bit on a loop. Yeah, you know,
like we didn't really get a lot of resolution, and
I feel like her character could have gone so many places.
(09:05):
There was so much to her and her style was
my favorite, and I know the whole Marian stuff, Like
he was very, very hot, but we would have been
very upset if she had cheated on George Washington.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I know, and he is hot and he can sing
George Washington. But I just thought someone.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That someone anyone has missed.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That, Yes, that's the character Blade in Hamilton. That's why
they got him to sing in that moment. I was like,
no notes on that, But yeah, I just would maybe
want a little bit more from her. But you know,
I hope Michelle Obama like the documentary. That's my main
takeaway from that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Me too. I did love when we got to watch
scenes of the editing, because like it sounded like such
a powerful little documentary, but then like not little, huge
and grand Michelle Obama's involved, but then and like they'd
be looking at the screen and they'd be like, Wow,
that edit was powerful, and it would be like a
PowerPoint slight transition.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yet don't zoom in, and I just like zoom in,
but it's going.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I do love her little outfits all the times I
have with her.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Which brings us to Miranda's story. It's like Steve's in
the room. But I had to I really, I just
love that. I'm going to please do.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I actually thought, out of all of them, Miranda's season
started out the most promising. And even though I'm a
big advocate for we can't keep saying and just like
that should be more like Sex and the City. The
first season of this episode felt very old school Sex
and the City, and it felt like Miranda was stut
to have this really interesting arc because she had finally
kind of lent into her sexuality. Things were good with Steve,
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she'd moved out, she'd got this new job, but more importantly,
she was out on the dating scene as a single woman.
And we had that incredible hookup in the first episode
with Rosie O'Donnell, and I thought it was going to
lead to which is so good.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I agree with you. I wish they had gone somewhere. Yeah,
I was reading. Actually Nixon said that Rosie o' donald
had been offered a role in every single season, and
just like that, I was upset that what was only
one episode, Like I kind of wanted her to be
like a bit of a not stalker, but like Miranda,
I think the.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
One episode was perfect because they always tried to get
her for Sex and City as well Becaulse never make
it work. So it felt like this kind of make
good from a decade that was lost. But I love
that it was getting back into this like boyfriend, girlfriend
of the week, Like every week you have a new
person and they're often played by like a really famous
person or a character actor or something like that, and
it's like we were teased with this world that will
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never experience and then it was ripped away in the
form of joy who I do like.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It felt so Vito Sex and the City, Like when
they were in the lesbian bar and they're sitting around
like someone's looking at you know, they're not looking at you.
Oh my god, go over and then it's like so
good the babysitter. I was like this is so Sex
and the City coded as it should be, but it's.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Not always and also very old school Sex and City
like publicly humiliate Miranda.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The struggles, but when Rosie o'donald sang wicked to her
in the middle, like, I thought, what an episode show,
I love this place so good?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And then her relationship with Joy. I mean, I guess
it was nice to see her happy in a way,
but it did feel a little too vanilla for me,
given what was dangled at the start of season.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, I agree. I feel like I would have liked
her to have a few more flings and like discover
just explore that a little bit more, because she was
with Chay for so long and then we had the
one night stand and then we went straight to Joy.
I've spoken about this before. My main issue with Miranda
in this is that I felt like a lot of
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her core character values had shifted significantly from Sex and
the City days. I felt that she became a little
bit more passive and a bit more awkward. Especially that
dinner party scene where Miranda confronts Carry. That bit really
irritated me because I was like, that is not what
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Miranda would do, particularly Miranda in her fifties sixties, who
should be more sure of herself.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, that's I guess been one of the biggest criticisms
of the show as it goes through is that people
think that the true essence of who they were at
the end of Sex and the City and who they
were through the movies has a being picked up in
these later seasons, and it can't be exactly explained by age,
because a lot of the things that people are talking about,
where their personalities are different, all the way they see
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the world is different, wouldn't change that dramatically with age.
And then there's the whole thing about people think because
Sarah Tisca Parker, Kristen Davis, and Cynthia Nixon are all
producers and they've had a lot more say in this
season than they did in previous seasons, that maybe they
were writing their characters to be more like them. But
to me, that doesn't hold true from Miranda because I
think she's very opposite to Cynthia Nixon, particularly when she
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starts sex shaming Brady's baby mother and Mia and saying well,
how many minutes she slept with and stuff, and I'm like,
that's very anti Miranda to speak like that, yeah, and
just like.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Some of the awkward things that she would do, I
was like, that's just not Miranda.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah. I mean there were a couple of like key
moments where she shines. So I love that her and
Steve found their way back to each other in a
way this season. And then obviously her becoming a grandmother
was kind of an interesting plot point that we just
dropped very quickly because you know, I think the season ended,
they didn't have time to follow it. But I thought
that would have been a really nice kind of bookend
because at the end of the original Sex and the City,
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there's this like beautiful moment where you see her like
being a mother and being a wife and caring for
her mother in law and marked her housekeeper being like,
you really love and you're not afraid to embrace that.
And I thought that's where the show was going to
kind of diffinished in that moment, and then it just
finished in a literal pile of shit. And that is
the first time I hate you, Michael Patrick King. That
scene in Miranda's apartment is the first time I've ever
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looked away from it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I can't wait about that that finale, when we get
to it. I've got some, I've got notes, but I
also wanted more Steve. I love Steve. I think he's
one of my all time favorite characters, and seeing him
in more of the episodes towards the end made me
very happy. And when he blew up at Brady but
like getting her pregnant and being like, she doesn't want
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to be with you. Couldn't we just hear the you know,
wasn't it just like a beautiful little throat? Go back
to when Miranda fell pregnant. Yeah, just such a nice
and I'm seeing Steve that angry.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's I think they could have had more callbacks. I
think people think the callbackside and off. But when he
was like, like you do with mom, and he's like,
I loved your mother, and I'm like, also a side note,
you could have said I have one ball and she
had a lazy ovary. The chances very slim, but there
was some nice I guess a full circle moment there
because the actress who plays Mia is Ben Stiller and
Christine Taylor's daughter, which means her grandmother is Anne Mears,
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who played Steve's mother in the original Sex in the City,
whoa yes and obviously Steve's mother in the original Sex
and the City was.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Such an iconic character.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Loved her getting lived at the wedding, loved loved her
getting live the christening of her in general. And so
the actress who plays Mea, that's her real life grandmother.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So in another world, Oh, I love that. That is
a great little fun fan sus.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Fun, which means in another life, Brady Hobbs and Mama
Mia from the show are actually related because they share
a grandmother. Okay, don't everyone's going to start another plot twist.
I loved I loved her like little and I think
that's also like people are like, oh, we're supposed to
hate this girl, and I'm like, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't thin we're supposed to hate her.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Also, people can be complex. I feel like everyone's really
getting on this. Do I hate all like this person?
Like maybe she's complicated.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, she's just meant to be a brassy character like that,
and she's playing homage to the character that her grandmother
played many years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So no, I love that. I feel like she's me
is also playing that very heightened gen Z stereotype. Yeah, yeah,
which I think Sex and the City did a lot
of in those early seasons where was it the rise
of the twenty something or something when younger generation then
it was like when you know, they had Cat Denning's
come in as a sixteen year old really rich kid
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and she had the party, and it was like it
was always about those callbacks to the younger generation of women,
and that kind of dynamic of seeing that gen Z
was quite interesting. I would have liked to have seen
a little bit more of that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well well, it kind of feels like, especially towards the
end of it, just like that as we kind of
saw with Mea and her like friends and even Brady
to an extent that the show was like really hammering
down like young people are the worst, which I'm not
against that sentiment, like it's a fun thing to throw
out there. Put it out very different to the first
season when they were trying to be like we're inclusive.
We're trying to be more like aware of like where
the world is, and towards the end there was almost
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I felt like from the show like a bit of
an eye roll about like gender and gen Z and
like what people are allowed to say. And I was like, Okay,
I get it right, a's room. You guys think you're
being critiqued and you're taking out on the rest of us. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Something I did really love about Miranda's arc though, was
just her. I mean, her relationship with Carrie's always been
so special to me. But I did think, especially when
Miranda moved in and they kind of had these conversations
really jokingly but very like, no, you should stay longer.
I'm loving this, Like, yeah, they had those tensions and
like those occasional blow ups in Sex and the City
and we saw them, but I really liked seeing what
that would look like further into their friendship, longer into
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their lives and where they were at a place to
be comfortable enough to like address and have a mini
confrontation and just get it out rather than I just
thought it was really nice to see, Like I know,
I'm talking about it being nice to see two people
kind of fighting, but like, it was really sweet to
see how they established their boundaries as grown ups and
how strong their friendship still was as a result.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, I hated that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I hated that whole thing. I thought Carrie was being
such a.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But they are their particular people, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I get that. As you get to ald, you get
more set in your ways. But I just really I
was like, she's being such.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Did you just drink my last Mexican coke? Maybe my
favorite line of the seasons so good and my banana
and my yog it?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
My two thoughts on that were like, essentially their family,
their sisters, they can fight. My other thing is like
Carrie do like a dawtersh or something. Yeah, it's so
much money has to be Yeah, don't even that. She
doesn't have to go outside her beautiful mansion. She can
pay someone to bring the food to her door. So
that's the kind of where a rarebit thing is. Carrie
has always been loving and infuriating exactly, So that's kind
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of who she is.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And it felt perfect to me that, like, even still
at their big ages, something so silly is this is
her putting her her work on the table and then
spilling it and then cleaning it with the scarf, and
like the time, I mean silly, a little upsetting, but
also just.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Showed me that they still were who they were. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, speaking of Carrie, also one of the most beautiful
things and just like that as a whole has been
her friendship with Seema. I think like seeing the two
of them come together. They have had some of the
most beautiful moments throughout the show, like their first fight
that they had when Seema was selling the house over
Carrie saying like you just broke the glass, and then
seeing her saying like, I didn't mean to, kind of
like how you probably didn't mean to upset me when
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you inferred that it was good that I was still
out there and I never find love. And then they
had that iconic scene when they were both getting their
hair washed and they went out to the road and
their wet hair and the rain and had that conversation
about when Aiden came in and ruined everyone's lives around
how Carrie had promised her this certain thing they were
going to do for the holidays, and then Seema being like,
I can't just be a third wheel to you, and
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having these beautiful moments. So I thought like their friendship
through this season was really lovely. But of course there
was Adam.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I love Adam, so I loved the Sexy Gardener two.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
As soon as he drove up in that dirty truck
with that Hamburger T shirt and a slight smear of dirt,
his perfect face. I was like, here we go. This
is what I signed up for. This is what I'm
paying my max log in account for. This is what
we're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
If he enters my screen, like my mind just goes what.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's my favorite fact to tell people that that is
the same actor who played Tray on the OC and
again my teenage crush. Here he is a dirty old
Dirney old man.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I love it. I loved it. I loved the little
like a bit scruffy, ruffy, but he.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Got less hot as the season went on.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
We got like, I think his personality at first for
me as much as it could have been maybe a
little bit tirer with the dialogue, like he was funny,
he had quips, he had the girls laughing, and like
he's feel sassy. He had a really fun, strong first
thing of him. And then over time, Mom.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I didn't like the whole deyodorant thing. That really pissed
me off.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I was just like, I was just.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Like, like, leave the woman alone, let her do a thing,
like stop talking about And.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I thought his way of getting hurt not where the
deodorant was a super questionable one because obviously he did
the whole thing of telling her the dangers of it,
and that didn't work. Then he gave her own deodorant
and said it was new, which is so important. That
didn't work. And then at one stage, do you guys
remember seen he put her deodorant in his mouth and
came and kissed her. When she's like that's gross, he's like, yeah,
that's because it's your deeodorant, isn't that He went to
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put his deodret in her mouth and came back and
kissed her, and then he was like trying.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
To prove a point. I'm like, she's like a nightmare
in your mind. Well, I mean, it's gross, but it
would you die if someone did that to you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I mean, I don't love it. It's not the worst thing.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That could happen. But I'm also like, so has anyone
ever taught you that's not where deodrine grows. Yeah, Like,
it's not meant to go in your mouth, like likewise,
if you drink soap, it doesn't taste good. But exactly
that's its intended personal But ultimately, I am happy that
Seema and Adam ended up together. I think that's what
they was saying. That was the whole thing at the
pie where she's like, I don't miss the gluten. That
was her way of saying to the audience, I don't
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miss the idea of marriage. So it was quickly summed up,
but I liked it too quick. But we're fine with it.
I'm happy, she's happy, she's cool. I like her.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, So we've saved the best for last, which is
our heroine and the super chic Carry Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yes, so this seems like a while ago, but it
was not a few episodes ago, the whole Carry and
Aiden's situation. And I'm gonna say the one thing that
I think a lot of fans have taken away from
and just like that, is that a lot of people
finish sex and the City like loving Aiden, and I
think that that was all taken away in this new
season with him and Carrie. But I don't mean to
start a fight or being antagonistic, but I do think
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if you're going to bring him back and make such
a big deal that she gives up her beloved apartment
for him, then we best see that through as far
as we can and give those crazy kids who never
should have been together a chance.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I just feel like it just kind of. It was
so abrupt. I don't even really know why they just
decided that, no, this wasn't gonna It was just so abrupt.
And it was again about this trust thing. But Aiden
was the one that had slept with his ex wife
in the Carry didn't care. But the whole reason they
broke up in the first place because of Big and
then all of a sudden that was it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I was very pro Aiden, the man INSECTX and the city, like,
not for Carry, just for being a person. I liked him, like,
I didn't really think they were the ones to end
up together, but I agree, if you're gonna make this
big deal, bring him back. She gives up her apartment,
they buy this beautiful home, They're going to make a life.
Why did we do all that just to then tear
them apart again in like a very infuriatingly slow way.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I guess you almost had to see them get everything
they wanted, and again it didn't want, yeah exactly, and
again not that they had everything, but it's like, we
have no space together, we've got no homes. Okay, you've
got a home. And then he can't see her because
of his family. All of a sudden his family don't
want him around anymore, and his potential serial killer son
decided he could sleep without him dad.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So is anyone watching that kid?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Is he okay?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
No, he's not getting away from me and from Carrie?
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So I've nervous been such a scary child actor in
my life.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Never I Meanwhile, she's there looking like I know she
hated how she looked in that whole time, but like
I love a dainty dress. Yeah, and I was like
a deal fashion deal fashion moment, and she's like I
hate this, but she's like looking beautiful, having a great time.
And then there's just this kid breaking glass go away.
Oh yeah, that was super dangerous. So I understand why
Aidan had to flee and be with Carrie. But then, yeah,
the serial killer son's out of the picture for the moment.
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He's probably torturing animals somewhere. And then they've got their
home together and like all their friends are on board,
his ex wife's on board.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
There's no barrier. And when there are no barriers, and
they finally sat in their relationship realized that neither of
them could do it because neither of them could budge
on being one hundred percent in. Yeah, and I feel
like as an audience, we needed to see that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, and the whole Duncan. As soon as I saw Duncan,
I was like, Okay, they're not going to work out,
Like Aiden and and Carrie are not working out. As
soon as I saw that downstairs neighbor hot writer done,
I was done so excited.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
There was a lot of promise in this season. I
know that Sex and City and just like that is
supposed to about the men, but it's always been a
little bit about the men, men of the week crushes.
They're like the little they're like the little things that
run around to like entertain the women like they're the
queens and then the men of the what just is?
So when Duncan came along, I was all in because
he was so kind of different in a way just
oh maybe not because he was an angry artist, so
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Petrowsky he didn't want to hang out with her, so
he was big, So maybe he's like maybe he's like
actually like every other man she's ever dated, the.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Artist Yah Samantha's lesbian relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, the reay for Carrie like a culmination of Carr. Yeah.
I was going to say, like she's never had a
guy before, but an artist who doesn't like her, her
two ex boyfriends and her ex husband. But I was
very excited by the arrival Duncan because it felt like
new and exciting and dangerous, and there was going to
be such a build up to him. And my first
time where I started disliking him is that book that
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Carrie was writing. Let's talk about that, because it was
a big deal this season that the full voiceover was
coming back.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's all we were told.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I love the voice in that woman's head. I was
so excited hate her voice.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
We met the book.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That she was up here, it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Has been completely slammed the woman. What's the line? The
woman didn't know.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Know what was going to happen next, So what she
got herself into. That's the part where I started to
question Duncan, because he's meant to be this incredible writer,
this literary man. And he finally starts reading Carrie's first
novel and again we thought we were getting back the
full voiceover from the show, and that has been dangle since.
And just like that came back. When it was first
announced before the show started that Carrie would have a podcast,
everyone's like Oh my god, she's going to have a
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podcast that she does in her apartment and that's going
to be the stand in for the voiceover. But it
was j d Is hitting a woke button, So that
wasn't it. And then when this season started, everyone's like, oh,
the book that she's writing is actually going to be
her narrating, which it kind of was, but it was
this woman in like the eighteenth century. And the first
moment I lost all respect for Duncan the author, is
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when he opened the book and he was like, the
woman didn't know what she was getting herself into and
there was a pause. I'm like, he's going to tell
her that that is the most cliche, clunky tech because
it is cliche, clunky, terrible writing, and he's going to
be the first person who's really really honest with her
and this is going to build their relationship. And I
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was all in and I was seated and he goes
brilliant I know, and I was like, so you are
not a writer.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
What an unexpected way to start, and then like like
Miranda references it as well. It was just like I
was like, guys, come on.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And that was also shit for Carrie Bradshaw because Carrie
Bradshaw has got a lot of criticism from like real
life people over the years that she's a really bad writer,
because you know, sometimes people will zoom in on what's
on her computer. I never do that in a show
because you know who writes that, the interns, And I'm
sure they're really clever, but they just started getting exactly
who's just like Jerish Deberation, Sex and City Love whatever,
So don't do that. But if you actually listen to
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the voiceover in Sex and the City, like that's Carrie's writing,
they meant to be passages from her column and she's
a beautiful writer. So when this came out and people
were ridiculing it and saying like, of course she can't
write a book, I felt a real sense of injustice
for her that in this final season that had been
taken away from her. I didn't feel quite as passionate
that it was as awful as you, but I respect her.
What you want to read the woman, I'll read the woman.
(28:06):
Why not? But no, I agree. I found it weird
when she.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Goes, I love your book, he goes, I love your book.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
End scene, Like yes, I really did think that the
acclaimed biographer man British angry dude who doesn't like stomping
and blah blah blah would look at her book and
her chapter and have.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Notes at least yeah, and that he wouldn't like it,
and yeah, then maybe.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
She changed what she was doing her stories. Nodded cringe.
But you know I love cringe things, so I would
have read that book for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Exactly A cringe romance by Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
You just going to the best seller.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
List, best seller adaptation. It's all coming for you know,
the moment she and Seema are having cocktails and she's
talking about Duncan. It's the first time she's kind of
letting herself believe that something could happen, and she said
something really interesting that again, a lot of people have criticized,
but I'm on Carrie's side with this is that it's
the first time someone has made her feel really smart.
And a lot of people who critique this show for
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a living that I listened to and read their work
of being like, oh, she's always been the smart one,
but if you actually look at it, like mister Bieck
always saw her as like this crazy kid about town, Like.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He calls her kid yeah, yeah, like here's something she's smart.
He doesn't read her work.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Now, I know they loved each other, even though the
show forgot that at some point.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And Petrovsky was very like, I'm an talk down to her,
like he was like very patronizing, and so did Aiden.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I feel like she was always seen through the lens
of she's tiny. She loves all these big men, which
I hate women like that anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But the tall guys for the tall women, and.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's always like she's this crazy fashion ee star that
all these men just find so cute and sexy. And
I felt that when she said that that has been
she's been portrayed, so him being like, even though the
book was trash, him being like, I think you're so
smart and that's why I like you.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I didn't like you before that. I thought was
actually really loved.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And you could see that in the way she prefaced
it when she gave him the book. She's like, don't
make fun of this. Yeah, like I know that wasn't
what she said, but she gave it to him this
whole speel of like this isn't as good as your work,
this isn't as amazing, So to then you have someone
who actually saw her as smart and interesting and like
a whole complete person and not this crazy woman in
big heels.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, it was really lovely.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Although the way the relationship started was because she was
walking around in the heels in the house, which also
really irritated me, like, take your damn shoes, it's so
disrespectful she is.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
She's like, oh, I can't take my shoes off. I
don't know how to stand on flat feet. Okay, carry.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I actually do believe that performed in a way.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Can I tell you the moment I started hating Duncan
the author, please, I hated him so much. It's when
he went upstairs to fix Carrie's printer, and I always
thought his personality just changes, so like the writers obviously
like maybe the writer's to swapover where one group didn't
send the handover email to the other group about where
Duncan was going, and so they started afresh. It's like
a weird mad libs where it just went wrong. But
he goes up to say, to fix Carrie's computer. I
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kind of talk about this without feeling sick, and he
sees her dresses and he's like, oh, they're really nice,
which is fine, and then she's like, let me show
you something, takes him into her shoe closet, turns on
the light, sees all the beautiful shoes which have been
carefully picked out to like be all different designers that
Carrie has mentioned a worn over the years. A pair
of Dolly Alderton's shoes is in there, as like a
little nod to like the other ultimate single girl love.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Isn't that so weird?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I love that that's all ruined because Dunky walks over,
picks up one of the shoes and goes, sparkle, sparkle,
and then he goes, what's that and he pretends to
talk to the shoe and he goes, oh, you're sorry
that I've been keeping your mummy so busy and that
we haven't been able to go to parties. And in
that moment, I was so horrified. I felt my ovaries
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like shrink up, leave my body. I was like, I'll
never touch another man again, and like just leave this
world because I had the biggest ick from that man
and Carrie didn't get the ick I nearly reached. That's
when you know that you're really down bad for a guy.
It's like they'll do the most disgusting.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Thing, like talk to your shoe and a baby voice, and.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I was like, oh you mummy, ew yuck. I know. Yeah. Anyway,
so when Duncan said I was leaving, he was leaving
the show and never coming back to New York ever. Again,
I did feel bad for Carrie, but I also like,
run away from that man quick.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It was sad for her because you know she liked him.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Good for her.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But I agree he was doing my head in a
little bit by the end. And I do think it
was that shoe sing because I don't want to watch
that happen. Yeah, I don't want to see that side
of his personality exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Should we move on to the finale before we.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Get into that, A question to both of you. At finale,
do you think it was meant to be the final episode?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
No, yeah, no at all And okay, so if anyone
who's on across this whole thing, Michael Patrick King announced
that the show would be coming to an end, and
his official statement and the official statements from everyone else
in the show, including Sarah Jessica Parker, is that they
made the decision to end and just like that after
season three because they felt that they had come to
the place they wanted to stop, and Michael Patrick King
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said he called Sarah Jessica Parker and she said, I
believe there are no more stories about Carrie left to tell.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
This doesn't track for a few reasons, and one of
those is that it just seems strange with like the
amount of press they were doing throughout the series. And
also if you listen to the Writer's Room podcast, the
way they're talking in the finale episodes and nothing they're
saying alludes to it being the finale. It's also come
out from a few well placed sources that it was
track negotiations allegedly that break down the whole thing. That
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it's a very very expensive show to make. There's a
lot of different contracts that needed to be negotiated, and
they were trying up until the last minute to keep
it going but just couldn't get it across the line.
And also there were two very long episodes this season
that were then split in half, including the finale. So
the reason it feels just joined it and the reason
the second last episode doesn't feel like enough is actually
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the beginning of the first episode.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, we also hear from Motley Rodgers, who's the stylist.
She said she had no idea when she styled the
final episode that this was going to be the end
of it. And that's what I will say, so style,
You're styling the final episode of this series knowing that
this is probably going to be the end of an
entire franchise and you don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And Kristin Davis and Synthe Nixon has said that they
didn't know, which that is the thing that doesn't track
for me because Michael Patrick King said he didn't want
to tell the viewers because he didn't want people all
sees and being like, so, what's gonna happen in the end,
what's gonna happen in the end, and being so frantic.
He wanted people just to enjoy it. Again, I might
believe that without all the other evidence, but I'm like
christ And Davis and Cynthia Nixon, the two co lead
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actresses producers of the show who have been in this
franchise for decades with you. You lied to them as well.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's your track with me, and I think, like we'll
obviously talk about it, but yes, the ending scene helps
when you've got that song playing and the voiceover to
tie up all these storylines to make it seem like
it was the end of something. But for pretty much
everyone except Carrie, I'm like, wait, what what happened with this?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
What happened with this?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
There's all of these like loose storylines, and that's perfectly
fine for a season finale, But I would never have
expected it for like a series finale. And obviously, yes,
I would expect that it points to like here's where
Miranda's life is gonna head, Here's where Charlotte's lie's gonna head.
But I think without those final like three minute montage,
I don't think it would have felt like a finale
and the end of these characters. Really, for me, I
would not have expected that.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh I don't say that. I know, but I cried
so much.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But I wasn't crying for this episode except for the
bathroom seeing that. Okay, can we talk about the bathroom sea?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay? Okay, Now I haven't seen it, so I can't comment.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
People were very disgusted by it. If you don't know,
there's pool everywhere, I'm going to grace you out. Even
more so, I read this interview with the prop master,
So the prop Master's name is Michael Clay, and he
said that when Michael Patrick King came to him that
there was going to be a lot of pooh. It
was like this metaphor for the shit that the characters
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had gone through, which I think is a bit of
a stretch. I think it's just gross. Now, the pooh
was made out of do you know, I don't want
to know. The pooh was made out of modeling clay,
which was the top bit. Then what they did is
mixed in a bucket brand muffins, vanilla ice cream, chocolate syrup,
Lubner which is like yogurt, and then like lots of
water and they mixed it all in a bucket. One
(36:02):
of the quotes was I wanted it to be really chunky.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's so disgusting. Why would sorry. This also fits with
a theory this wasn't supposed to be the lastpisode because
if this is the last episode the most glamorous series,
the show that you have devoted, like, yes, this show
means a lot to us, but it means a lot
more to Michael Patrick King and Sir Jessica Parker, who
this has shaped their entire lives and careers. They have
been doing this for decades. I just don't think that
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would have been their biggest thought going into the final
episode if they knew it was the final episode. And
also a note to mister Michael Patrick King, who I love.
That man has given me so much. But at the
same time, here's mismanagement of this season one. People are
saying that the show was too expensive to make, and
we can tell because of that situation, which I'm sure
was very expensive, and also the fact that half their
budget went to that stupid puppet of Giuseppe that took
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like over a year to make for one stupid joke
that didn't work. That is a mismanagement of funds. I
don't want to say that's why the show was canceled,
but it feels like that's why the show was canceled.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I would agree with that also because I feel there
are so many scenes that were added in throughout the
season and like, I love it, and just like that,
I don't hate watch it.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I genuinely love watch it.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I treat it and I know you do, and I
treat it as like it's a bit different to Sex
in the City, but I love it. There's so many
scenes in it where you go.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You were on location.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You hired an entire staff to be here for this
one scene of Sema in a different location and her
hair is burnt in a fire and she delivers some
weird dialogue and that's the end of the scene. And
it added nothing the funds that would have been used
on useless scenes throughout Misspanish.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I just think that Michael Patrick King just forgot why
we loved this show, because he keeps giving us throughout
the season little tastes like why did we never have
a conversation that we got to see with Carrie and
her best friends after the Aiden break up? Like we
never saw them had that debrief. We never got to
see her tell them like about Aiden sleeping with his
ex wife. For all these big moments.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
We also never saw any sort of throwback to be Yeah,
I think they forgot that part. Well. I think there
was a little bit to do with the fact that
Chris Notath had that yeah allegations, Yeah yeah, but you know,
you spent twenty years with this man or whatever it was,
and then Aiden comes along and you think he's the
best scene and then BIG's gone and your grief is
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gone for him, and you don't they never mentioned him.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, except all that they made that one line, and
I think it was in season two where Carrie and
Miranda walking again. Those walk and talk scenes or the
girls having cocktails are always the best, and they've been
so few and far between the season, but when they
had them, they hit so hard where Carrie's like was big,
just a big mistake and that's never addressed again, I know.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
But that's what I mean, Like she just says that
the last twenty years of their relationship was a mistake.
Like what what? What's hard?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Because the thing is when you listen to the writer's
room podcasts that I do, which is Michael Patrick King
and the writers who do each episode, and they, in
painstaking detail explain every decision, why they did it, Why
this person's doing that, here's the backstory you didn't see,
and when you have them in your head, it does
make more sense. But again, again not to shoot on
Michael Patrick kinks. I do love him, but I also
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think again I just want to take him aside and say,
if you have to explain it that much, if you
need a companion podcast for over an hour to explain
every decision your character's mean because you couldn't get that
across on screen, then you need to look at your
storytelling devices in saying that, though we had obviously some
nice moments with like the three Core girls in those
last two episodes, like they were all sitting at Carrie's
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house having the cocktails, the three way phone call when
they found out Brady had impregnated someone classic like Sex
and the City callback.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And I think it does make it clear that this
was not intended as the last episode to me, because
they didn't have a single scene of the three of
them together in the final episode. But what you're saying
about it having been cut in half, then technically they
were supposed to have one in this episode and they
just didn't. But so I just don't think you intended
to end something without giving me a scene with all
of them in that they like almost had it they
had four of them.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
It was just so strange. A few things were mishandled,
and I just wish they had got a full final
season that they knew that was coming, so they could
have wrapped up all these stories. Because the last episode
of Sex and the City, and I know we shouldn't
compare them, but the last episode of Sex and the City,
whether you agree with it or not, is so beautifully
done and everyone, every single character gets this beautiful wrap
up moment. And but then you still end with Carrie
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kind of walking down the street by herself. And so
there is that kind of like beautiful imagery for that
show that I feel like what you're saying, like they
tried to have it in the season. They tried to
have Carrie dancing around her home in the beautiful tul
So it's a callback to the first episode in the
sequence like classically Carrie, which I did love.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And the final line being the woman realized she was
not alone, she was on her own.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Can I just say one point on that, And this
is when I started crying. Well, I was crying all
the way through, crying for the characters, not for this
episode which I had to cover my eyes in. But
part of me did love that it ended up with
Carrie as a single woman. Not because I think it's
better to be married or single, there's one that's better
than the other. It's just that Darren Starr, who was
the original show runner for Sex and the City and
Candice Bushnell, who wrote the original Sex and the City
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books and Carry is based on her. When they first
got together to make the show, they always pictured that
Carrie would end up single at the end of the show.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That was their goal.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
And then when different writers came in and Michael Patrick
King wanted to really be about like who would she
choose Petrofsky, You're big, and that's the way they went.
So as I was watching that and I was seeing
Carrie had that moment, I did have this beautiful thought like, Oh,
that original Carrie who existed in like imaginations before she
was a character. She has somehow through this like wild
world of sex and scene and just like that ended
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up exactly where she was always supposed to be. And
so I kind of loved that. I did really like
a beautiful ending.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I thought it was beautiful, and like, as much as
I say, I don't think they planned it, I do
think that was possibly a reshoot or an additional or
something like. I did think it really beautifully wrapped it up.
It helped tie together everything and it was a nice scene.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
And I think loneliness and the concept of being scared
of being alone did feature so much insex and the scene.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
But they were obviously like younger and they were on
the dating scene and then they found their people, so
to end up back at this place where it was
something that terrified her through this episode and then she's going, oh,
I'm actually just like on my own and that's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
It was really lovely and we get a little throwback
for the two. Two we do, so I think that
made a lot of people happy. Then I'm like Mollie
Roger says that she doesn't that that was just a
happy accident, so I'm confused, But I.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Also think it was just a way to end the
season that ended up being a special moment that she
was in the two too. So like, overall, I know
we've said some bad stuff, but overall, I am so
thankful that and just like that existed. I wish it
would gone for five more seasons, but I'm just so
happy we had it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Me too, I think it was charming and lovely. Even
if there were moments maybe we all would.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Have cheted agreed one more, just like come on one
most four would have been good. I think four would
have been nice. I've just so many loose hands and
I really want to Yeah, I say never.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
You never know. Carrie Brashaw, she does unexpected things.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
We get another that that would beautiful. Thank you so
much for listening to this bill today.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
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(43:07):
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