July 25, 2025 • 44 mins
Clueless turns 30 this week (yes, thirty) and there was simply no way we weren’t going to mark the occasion. Today’s episode is a brutally honest (and very loving) review of the cult classic that defined a generation.
We’re diving into everything from how the film came to be, the chaotic casting process, and the real-life stories behind the most iconic scenes and one-liners.
We also unpack why the film hits so damn hard, reveal the scenes we still quote weekly, and discuss how we genuinely don’t remember life before seeing Clueless. Because honestly, do you know one person who hasn't watched it? So sit back, strap in and get ready for a 90s nostalgia ride.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mama may I. Welcome to the Spell, your daily
pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodneck
and we have a very special episode today.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yes, today's episode is a brutally honest review of Clueless
que Kids in America.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The theme song that kicks it all off locking out.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
The dudio window outside the Guys in the City gal
as you Buy.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, So obviously, Clueless is one of the greatest movies
ever created, and it came out thirty years ago. Well
technically last week, but we had a bit on It
came out thirty years ago in a week long span. Now,
I should say the whole premise of brutally honest reviews
is that we do the review the week of release
(01:13):
for a TV show or a movie.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So I must.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Apologize that we are late on this one. We should
have done it thirty years ago, and that's on us.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
That's on us. We apologize. I'm so sorry for not
being born yet.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, we apologize because it wasn't born. I was a child,
and that's on us.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's on us.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We're gonna take.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
That here and we're going to do better.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But we thought this.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Week everyone is talking about the movie again. Everyone's writing
think pieces and reviews, the cast is doing interviews. It's
all over TikTok with people doing like them favorite memories
of this movie, because this is a movie that has
shaped multiple generations. And then we thought, we're not going
to let our mistake of being not born in a
child get in the way of a brutally honest review
of one of the greatest movies ever.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, so we're thirty years late, but it's gonna be
a good one.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And I should say, I mean, I've watched this movie
too many times to count.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Do you remember the first time you watched it?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I was thirteen. Oh, okay, I think I was still
a bit too young to fully understands the the caveats.
Also because teenagers in the nineties were way different to
teenagers now, Like I didn't understand a lot of like
the sexual innuendos and like the smoking and the fashion.
A lot of it was I was very confused. But
(02:24):
I remember illegally streaming it on my laptop. That was
like overheating on my like little deck in my bedroom,
and I had my posters or like Jessin McCartney and
the Jonas in the background. But I watched it because
it was like the cool girl thing to do, like
because I was in year seven and all the older
girls were like quoting Clueless, even though they were much
(02:45):
too young to also be in that like zygeist time,
but they were like quoting Clueless, and I was like, oh,
cool girls watch.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Clueless, and I have to watch the case today.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Still hold up till this day, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because it's still a banger over movie.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
When was the first time you watched it?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I have no memory, because it's always been there. It's
always been in my life. I think I watched it
before I had proper consciousness, Like I watched it as
a small child.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Maybe you did do it as a child, and then
so you have actually no excuse to not do it
really exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, I should have as a small child, and it
came out in nineteen ninety five. I should I should
have got on the mic then, but no, my sister
and I just watched it on a VHS tape over
and over and over again and it was just always there,
like a Disney movie. I don't remember the first time
I watched it. I don't remember not having it in
my life. And it's so funny because we watched it
so many times and it's obviously not a kid's movie,
but my mum was okay with that, and my other
(03:38):
sisters six years younger than us, and so she watched
it with us, and her first day of like kindergarten,
they said to everyone, get up and say something about
your family, and Lucy started reciting the whole Clueless movie
word for word. Was so inappropriate for KINDI Lucy gets
up and she's.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Like, you're a virgin who can't do She did?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
She did? She She knew the whole movie. And needless
to say, my mum got a call. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's so.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That is how much this movie is meant to so
many people. So we're going to get into it, and
we're starting from the beginning. So the movie was created
by Amy Heckling, who brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So she wrote and directed Yes, we owe that woman
so much.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So basically she was kind of shaping teen movies at
the time, and she was known for being able to
basically deliver a big box office hits. So she'd previously
done Fast Times at Ridgemont High, another iconic movie wildly
unsuitable for children that I grew up with.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
She did. I'm also look who's talking.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, the woman's a genius.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So what happens in Hollywood a lot of the time
is like when you have a few, especially back in
the day, a few big box office hits, you get
like a bit of a blank check whether Sadie, we
want this particular movie, go and create it. So Amy
Heckling was tasked with making a movie that would appeal
to teenagers on a mass degree, and she had remembered
reading the book Emma by Jane Austen as a teenager.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Great book, great book.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I actually gifted that book to my sister for her
birthday this year, read twenty two. She's never read it before.
One of those limited edition covers you need that you
have to know.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Every girl has to read Emma.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So such clueless is some people say loosely adapted, and
I guess it is because very different time periods, but
it follows the plot pretty much beat for me.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I feel like, if you know, the inspiration was
from Emma then you see it. Yeah, was if you
didn't know that, you don't really see it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Those whole storylines, characters and relationships.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's pretty much Amy Heckling took the.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
She's a man, yeah exactly well that this spawned a
whole lot of teenage adaptation of classics stories and like
how ten things I hated about you as Taming of
the Shrew and all that sort of stuff. So it's
based on Emma follows it very closely. And as Amy
Heckling was writing the script, every time she said an
article came out with like this is the new slang
that teens are saying, she would save it so she
(05:56):
could build up the script because clueless is really no
one for really creating a whole language that we still
use today. She also when sat in on classes at
like Beverly Hills High and stuff like that to see
how the teens were talking. And as she was writing
the script, she would want her treadmill and watch Aerosmith
music videos, and that is where she saw Alicia Silverstone
for the first time. So Amy was watching Aerosmith music
(06:18):
videos to you know, get her through her exercise, and
she kept seeing Alicia in them and just thinking that's Share,
that's the lead of my movie. So when she turned
the script into the studio, she turned in the script
and she turned in a photo of Alicia Silverstone and
she said, basically, the movie is these words and she
says them, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's the pitch, and that turned out to be correct.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I love that I've gone into a full deep dive
of Amy because I think she's absolutely brilliant and I
think she also paved the way for so many of
our favorite like female directors like Greta and Emerald and stuff,
and I think she's just like part of that crew
in my head. And I love like hearing the passion
behind the character for Share, because what I really like
(07:02):
about Share as a character is that she's constantly happy
and positive and she never annoys you. Yeah, And I
feel like so many people try to have that typical
woman trope of always being the ditsy, happy, fun, quirky,
positive woman, and then it becomes so overdone that you
just get pissed off at these characters. And She's a
(07:24):
character that is so unique that you never get pissed
off at her constantly being positive exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And the thing is in any other movie, she would
kind of be the villain, like the beautiful, blonde, popular
girl at school with the money and the wardrobe and
all that sort of stuff. Like usually that's the foil
for the more kind of goofy doesn't know she's beautiful,
who gets a make over, a kind of lead character
in a teen movie. So to make her the lead,
but also make her kind and lovable and also make
(07:51):
you feel like so protective over her. And I feel
like that is what Alicia Silverstone brought to the role,
because she's also very anti like being a Hollywood star,
being that cool girl like There's sixty four. I think
it is costume changes in the movie for.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Her, Yeah, just for her character, because the fashion is
such a huge.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Part all designer and it was like a two hundred
thousand dollars budget just for the fashion, and they still
went over budget and had to beg designers to let
them borrow clothes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, all the way through. The had to do the
like favors, right, they had to in.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Return like name drop them in the script, and the
script became so iconic that like you don't even tell
that it's actually a branded deal.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I know that's why when she's getting monks, He's like,
get on the floor. She's like, so this isn't a
liar And he's like, what is that?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
She's like a really important design.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
He as like a child in like a tiny town
in North Queens and being like a liar important.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, I still check got it.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, every time I see any sort of a liar thing,
I'm just like, I think of that line. It just yeah,
it just works so well with her character. But Alicia
talked about the fact that she hated all the costume
changes and she hated like the glitz and glamor, and
she and she was hated girls like share at school
and so she really tried to play her the opposite
of that. And also she was like she's like, I
know the costumes are important and they helped me get
(09:05):
into the character, but it's not the vibe. The casting
of this movie is a leek should we just say elite.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
What I love about this movie is that it was
a lot of like taking chances on the cast, like
a lot of them this was their breakout role. A
big one was Brittany Murphy. And I feel like, and
I feel like I can say this, like up until
her unfortunate death when in her early thirties she was
the massive breakout star from the show and she was
so so successful after that, she did like Uptown Girl,
(09:31):
she had did like massive blockbuster hits. And it's really
hard to talk about this movie in like a light
that doesn't also cover the darkness that happened in her
life and after that, because it is such a sad
story about what happened, especially that we don't actually know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, everything that's happened.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, But I also love because a lot of the cast,
they always get asked about this, They do so many
interviews and they all speak really beautiful about Brittany and
say that that's how they want to remember her. So
you and I did do an episode about her very
tragic death. Well linkdam in the show notes that has
all the info.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Now it's just really nice to focus on like her
legacy from this movie. It's so interesting because obviously, like
Alicia was already cast when the movie went into production,
so they would bring all the other cast members in
to have chemistry reads with her to see if they.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Would get the part.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And when they were auditioning people for Tye, they had
saw all these actresses. And then Alicia Silverstone tells a
story if she saw Britney Murphy walk in the door
that day, you know, one of her first big auditions.
This like goofy grid in her face, his big dough eyes,
just like bounce into the room, and she said she
whipped around to the producers and said, that's her.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That's Tie. We don't even need to do the read.
They did the reading. Amy was like I know, yeah,
like we know. So that was incredible casting. We got
Paul Rudd for a second. Who plays Josh Paul Rudd.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
The funny thing about Paul Rudd is that I think
he was the only character in that whole movie that
wore his own clothes.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The budget stopped at him. It was just like, he's
pretty much Josh.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Essentially.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's so funny because Paul Rod was trying to make
it Holy One at the time, and he went and
read for the part and heard nothing, and so he
had a career crisis and he's like.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm never going to be an actor.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't want to do And then Amy called him
and said we're cast you. And when they met, he
had shaved his head. So one of the reasons she
loved him for the role is he had this big, thick,
glossy hair.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
He's got great hair now, but in the movie he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And Amy's like, why would you do that? And he said, well, Amy,
I didn't hear from you. I thought my career was open.
I was like, I've got to shake things up. And
then he goes and then I watched Forest Gump. You
know how Forest Gump shaves his head.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
He had a brittany moment, and so.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's written into the script. There's that scene later on
when Cher and Josh are sitting at the table. He
makes a joke about her clothes and she says, well,
you look like Forest Gump and he takes his cap
off and that's his cap, his real cap because.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I had no budget. Their relationship is so fascinating because
it's such a risky romantic relationship to play because their
ex step siblings. And production actually wanted to change that
because I were like, this is weird. It's a bit incestuous.
And then Amy said, well, my grandparents were except siblings,
so we're going to be doing this.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Amy, that's not the flexing thing.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And it worked though, Like like you watch that movie.
You get a bit weird of that, But then you're
so badly rooting for both of these people to be
together that you completely ignore all the problematic nature of
their dynamic.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think that they try and really drill home in
the script, especially with Cher's dad mal who that is
a pitch perfect performance from him.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He excares me so much, like I love his character.
He's like, share, what is that?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's a dress? Says who Kevin Kline, go.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Put something on and she's like, duh, just gunna.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Or she's like, so we go to Malibu this weekend.
See those degenerates, Well they are your parents. Also, it's
so funny when you hear the cast talk about him.
They're just like he was actually the nicest actor they'd
ever worked with, that he was so lovely. But then
you just picture going, daddy, this is my friend. TI,
get out of my chair. But then also like they
(13:01):
really got a links to show that. As Chare says,
but you were barely even married to his mother and
that was five years ago. You wives, not children, which
is super lovely him. We're just gonna quote the whole movie,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's the most quotable movie I feel like if you
said to me, now, can you recite that movie from
intro to end? I would kind of be able to
do it. Yeah, I just I won't do it now.
But the microphone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Chemistry between the characters are so good because generally speaking,
that like character of that dad would be so terrifying
and so scary, and you would assume that his daughter
would be so scared to like do wrong by him,
And you just see scenes of him like yelling at
her and she's just like fixing his tie. It's so sweet.
Like the love she has for everyone that character, regardless
(13:45):
of how they like like her or not, is just
done so well, which is why the tension between her
and tie when we get to that part we'll talk
about more, but like it makes it so much bigger
than what it really is.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So I know we're moving around, but you guys have
seen the movie, but the setup of the character in
this world is so incredible. So one is that, Like,
obviously it was the nineties, so it was very big
then for like teenagers to be like really grungey looking.
And that was also not just the aesthetic for teenagers,
it was the aesthetic for like pop culture, and then
Amy Heckling wanted to kind of flip that on its
nose and have these teenagers who lived in this glossy,
(14:18):
unattainable world with their like designer outfits going to school
and hills having their phones and their cars and stuff.
And the first intro to that we have is that
iconic scene where shur goes to pick up dion and
they're both was wearing the world's most incredible outfits.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Here's where Diane lives.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
She's my friend because we both know what it's like
to have people be jealous of us girlfriend, and I
must give her snaps from her courageous fashion efforts. Hey share,
Dionne and I were both named after great singers of
the past who now do infomercials.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Justice for Cher who hadn't had her being Comeback Believe
song yet and also learning about like the character shares
kind of tragic backstory that her mother died during a
fluke viprosection appointment.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They're trying to make it really funny, and I was like, Oh.
As a child, I was.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Like, oh, I know, I guess that that day is
very kind of a Disney thing to have, Like you
not have your mother and.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Have a gruffy ye grumpia.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's also that line where she's going up to her
mother's big, beautiful portrait and then kind of sitting on
her backstory where we get like one of those first
bits of dialogue that we still use today, where she was,
isn't my mama total Betty? And did you notice later
on where she goes why is Ty hanging out with
those Barneys? So that's a Flintstone reference, you know, like
the og Flintstones cartoon, how you had Betty and Barney Rubble,
(15:33):
and so the idea was that Betty was this beautiful
bombshell and Barney was kind of like a nothing guy.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So you call a hot girl he was no Fread, Yeah, exactly,
Fread was hot. We all know it cartoon, And I
feel like that's a.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Thing that people still say Betty and Barney and you
instantly know.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
What they're talking immediately.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I actually thought, by the time I was an adult,
I would have a computer that would pick out my outfits.
I know there's apps that do it for you.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Technology has really done us an injustice since clearless.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I know, like I.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Genuinely thought I'd have my little Mac desktop and I'd
have all the time in the world. In the morning,
you get to go up to it, let it load,
let it overheat, and then get it to either like
pick my outfit or randomize. Yeah, And I'm like, oh,
it was just so like I can't even explain to
you what it felt like watching that on my laptop
as a teenager. I was just like, oh my god,
(16:28):
this is what the cool girls do.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And I was like, that will be me one day.
You're still waiting. We kind of get to the high school.
And this is I think so important because so many
other movies have borrowed from this scene, which is the
kind of the flip around introducing like the stoners and
this and that, and like, obviously they do it really
famously in Mean Girls, but it's such this quick way
to really set the tone of the school hierarchy and
(16:53):
where Share and Dion sit in it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That first initial scene is the one that everyone's memorized
of them both walking into the school in those outfits.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
There's something like over one hundred different types of plaid
used in the movie, and most of them for Share
and also moments for Dion and the hat and they
come also, I love the drive to school when Chaer
is just first of all, she shouldn't be in that car,
she's only got a permit. A second of all, she
smashes into a pop plant.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This made me really confused about like the driving legalities
in the US.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think maybe she's technically allowed to drive with the permit.
I don't know, guys, saman takes when you know, what
I can safely say is that she shouldn't be knocking
over things and she shouldn't be running stop signs. But
that's also one of the most quotable parts of the movie.
Whatever I've had any little suggest she will say, I
still say that came out of nowhere. Or when Deane
goes hello, there was a stop sign? What I totally passed.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I totally passed.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yes with the outfits because it is such a shaping
part of the movie. So the costumes were designed by
Mona May, who is absolute incredible costume designer. I think
we owe so much of what we see on screen
and the most iconic outfits in cinema to her because
she also did the costume design for Romey and Michelle's
high school reera.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, and she says that like Ramie Michelle was kind
of like a continuation flueless, which I absolutely love because
once she said that quote, I saw it immediately. I
was like, Yes, this is it. I'm obsessed with the
skirt and the jacket that Share and Dionne wear when
they walk into school because I feel like that's the
costume that always gets picked for Halloween. It's a costume
(18:30):
that always gets picked for like dresser parties, over any
other outfit in the movie. And that scene of them
just walking in and finding out that Mona struggled really
hard to find the perfect color because she's like, yellow
can be like sunshine, but you can also be jaundice,
and you have to get it completely right. And they
tried her and blue, and they tried her in red,
and the yellow was the one that stood out for
(18:51):
the yellow.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So you know what I so love is that Alicia
Silverson has that outfit.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She hasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
She pulls it out in commercials, she pulls.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It out for TikTok, she did it on that lip
sync battle. She recently, honor of the thirtieth anniversary, recreated that.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Ooh with her son Bear.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Now, look, that woman has got a lot of flack
over the years, and some of it fair. I'm just
going to say, love her to death. She pedals some
dangerous health information. But she got raked over the coals
when she revealed that she used to feed Bear from
her mouth, just the bird feeding thing, because she's kind
of like a very kind of health conscious granola mom.
And I was like, can share horror.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
WIT's just live. I know, I have a confession. Oh
my god, what your mom fed you from her mouth?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Okay? So you know how like my background's Indian. Yeah,
so you obviously can't give your children like straight up
chili curries when they're born. So what my mom used
to do or she would take like the bits of meat,
suck out all the spice, and then sloppy chicken from.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You and Bear silver Stone. So I'm like, leave.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Her alone just because she says it out loud, like
moms do whatever to get their kids to eat.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'm just telling you that right exactly Alicia Silverstone's parenting.
I was like, not on my watch. Then she's like,
maybe don't.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Get vaccine, and I'm like, oh, I can't follow you there,
But the rest of the stuff, I'm on board with you.
I'm bored with you anyway, So that's that's neither here
on air. And then yes, we have the introduction of
Tye coming to school as the loser transfer girl, and
Brittany Murphy is wearing like a graphic T shirt she's got.
They've put like just a red almost like a gel
through her hair so they could like wash it out later,
(20:39):
and Dionne and Chair take her on his little charity project,
which she was on board with.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And I understand, Yeah, dion is like the crowd favorite.
She's like acting as us the audience going what's going on?
But what share Dionne did to Tie is what the
movie she is all that was trying to.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Achieve the whole Really, Wow, explain your hypothesis.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I feel like Clueless was the first true makeover transformation
that I actually believed. Yes, like ty we were introduced
to her and I was like, oh, yeah, this is
like a geeky kid, Like what can they do to
make her like the beautiful popular girl in that like
stereotypical way, And they did it, and she was beautiful
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and stereotypical and popular, and I was like, and I
see it, Like it wasn't like a beautiful girl in disguise,
even though Brittany Murphy is just absolutely stunning, but they
really made you believe that, yeah, she was a giggy
girl and like there's nothing you can do to change that.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, that is so true because they like.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
She saw that where she was just wearing glasses beautiful.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Which I love when they parody that another team, but
they just take up her glasses, like and we're not.
I know, it's such an iconic makeover scene where they
wash the head eye out and like do her makeup
and hair and they start even doing like body exercises
and stuff and I'm a supermodel plays to an iconic song.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And yet you really see it. It's also kind of
interesting in a way that like.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
It kind of flips throughout the movie because Cher is
meant to be kind of like the guiding light for Tie.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Used to fish out of water.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But it goes to show like how none of these
characters like Cookie Cutter, because Tie is actually the more
worldly one in a way, Like there's so many also,
so many references I didn't get as a kid. When
they're talking about things like coke and she's like, no shit,
you guys got coke.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Here.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
She's like yeah, this is America, and I'm like, as
an adult, my gosh, she wasn't talking about Coca cola.
But also when she's so shocked that shares a virgin,
which is another.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Thing because can't drive.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, which is an insult that comes up later.
But when they have that first thing, no shit, share
you're a virgin, and she was like, if you know
how it's picking out at my shoes and they only
got my feet.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I'm like, so true. It's true. But also it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Interesting because usually the popular girl in that kind of
movie in the nineties would be seen as like the
over sexualized and being a.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Virgin finning after all the boys.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, and immediately you know.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That she's not standing for any like teenage boy. Like
she's like, oh, high school boys grows yeah, and I'm like, wait,
high school boys are gross?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And am I trying to make them fall in love
with me?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And she was just like I think I'm just gonna
wait because I think I'm better than this, and you're like, actually, yeah,
like this.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Is such an important high school movie. I don't know
why young going out with the high school point. They're
like dogs, you have to clean them. And feed them.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
They're just like these nervous creatures that jumped its slaver
all over.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You, oh off of me, as she's a freaking feminist
icon because saying like, yeah, like we're so picky about
our shoes, we should be also picky about the people
we have sex with. And it's like she's talking the truth.
Also with like my man is setis fat, but technically
I'm a virgin.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Me as a five year old.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Being like satisfied, I was like these girls and my
people were on the same level. So much that I
know about like sex and drugs and stuff. I'm just
real like thinkin from clueless, like these women raised me.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And I only found that on my second watch when
I was about eighteen. When I was thirteen, I was
just like this is cool, and one of my second
and my second watch, I was like, oh shit, yes cool.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It's all coming full circle though, and then we see
Tires start to evolve become the popular girl. I also
love that first time that she's trying to teach her
how to speak properly and she's like, you can say
something like sporadically, and the first time she introduces her
to Josh, he's like I'll be.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Seeing you and she's like, yeah, I hope not.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Sporadically, it's like changing all her like not just who
she is, but how she speaks, how she thinks, which
evolves to not a good place as the movie goes along.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, does not evolve. She becomes really really mean, but
you can tell at her core she still has like
those deep like original needs, like how she is always
just pining after Travis. Yeah, and no matter who, like
Share tried to set her up, which she's like, no,
like she originally just wanted Travis, and then she like
had a crush on Josh, but then she realized she
didn't actually like Josh. Someone else liked Josh.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean, oh my god, just a moment for
Travis Breckenmeier.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I love that man.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I've watching him do some interviews lately and he's like,
obviously looks a lot older now, but he still has
that breck and Meyer smile. When I up Skater Boy, Yeah, yeah,
he did his own stunts.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Important to say in the movie Rode.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
To Skate Forward.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But also he said that he was a lot older
than Britney Murphy, well a couple of years older, because
she was the youngest wife bit, and he was saying
that he just saw her as a little sister and he
loved her so much, and that's why in that final
scene when a lot of different couples are kissing, he
leans over and kisses her on the forehead. And he
was supposed to kiss her on the lips. That was
in the script, and on the day he was like,
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I'm not kissing my little sister on the lips.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Sorry, not happening.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He's like, I know how much you're like in insects.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
This movie, but I will not buy by taking in
the incest. He took a stand against incest.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
He took a stand against incest. I have to talk
about my favorite scene.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Oh, what's your favorite scene.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's not my favorite scene, but it's the scene.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I mean, obviously every scene's our favorite scene, So what's
the one you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It sticks out the most to me when Cher and
Elton at the d MB in like the dark, yeah,
and it's nighttime, and then she rejects him, so he
leaves her there, and it's like, up until then, you're
still seeing all this like positivity around her, right, like
so many things are going wrong for her, like she's
failing her driving test. It's not happening, like her friends
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are kind of being weird with her, and she's still
so happy and positive and challenge energy. And she gets mugged.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's like the most low stakes mugging I've.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Ever seen, to the point where she gets up and
she's not even like super super rattle. She just like
walks over the payphone and calls Josh to get her
to pick up and she's like, I got totally mugged.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So good again.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Pulled from Emma, I think in the book, it's like
Emma's doing a painting and afterwards she's like, but you
wanted the portrait of her and she's like, He's like
the portrait you painted.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
And then in this she's like, but you have a
photo of Tie, hang your locker the photo you took.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So he basically assaults her like and then I yeah,
I love that scene Josh coming to pick her up.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Fun fact, I think you know this. Paul Rudd was
mugged like the day before Get a Break, First a
Run his share.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Am Amy was just following poor Biop.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
He really had to have enough time. This movie, he's
trying to.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Man the same person who filmed Clueless, Filled ant Man,
Quantum Mania.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
They're so scared of Paul Rud that like, we can't
leave him alone.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
We have to follow him, we have to look after dreams. So, yeah,
Paul Rud shaved his head. He looks ridiculous. He's wearing
the weird cap. He's he that's how he really dances.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You know the scene they're taken to the nightclub and
they're like, he's talking to the bouncer and then he's
doing the shoulder dance. That's how he really dances.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's such a dag. I love dag.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, he's such a dag.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And yeah, so like he also looks the exact same.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's wild, it doesn't. It's the same for doing the
Lord's work. I just follow.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He needs to be studied.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So a few days before they film that scene, Paul
Rod was mugged and his back back was taken and
in the backpack was the script for Clueless to.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Say that I don't remember and.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That was wrong. Don't you remember? The one scene he's
able to nail is a mugging scene.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Be calling you exactly happened?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
He's like, that was me days ago? And I also
didn't want to lie down in my outfit. I'm like,
I'm just saying that mugger. I didn't know the goal
they possessed of having the unreleased Clueless script in Paul
Rod's stolen backpack, so he had a hard time.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
So that was rough for him, but he pulled it
together to.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Film the scene. I do love that scene where he
comes to pick up Share because he's got his college
hook up in the car, and that's when we get
that moment where you see that Share is like it's
almost like a line through to legally blonde. It's like
you're really smart in a different way that's not just
like remembering a textbook or something, because it's like that
whole thing of Ellwood's having a bit of street smarts,
so knowing how long a perm takes to set that
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makes her the winner. And Share has a very similar
thing where the girl in the car is underscript college girls.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
How I think of her? I actually think her name
might be eight me in the movie anyway, nondescriptive villain
college girl is in the car with Josh, and she's
obviously like one of those very snooty, pretentious kind of
college girls.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
He's like trying to take the piss out of sharely.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Like to Share like obviously like cocked her as being
like a blonde bimbo.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
This girl just got mugged.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
She just got sexually assaulted and mugged. And then she's like,
you look dumb, so I'm gonna roast you. And then
they have that really iconic moment where she quotes Hamlet
and Chaer sees her moment and was like, that's not
what he said, and she's like, I think I remember
Hamlet accurately. And then you see Share just be like
in her eyes like I've got her and be like, well,
(29:37):
I think I remember mel Gibson acuary and he.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Didn't say that. That polonious guy did. And that's the
end of Josh's date.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So good, and that's a minute you see, Oh there's
going to happen, be something with Cher and Josh.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, there's a few different dynacs in the story where
things are interesting, and it's mostly really that whole thing
with Share and Josh and Ty that is like the
pivotal love story. Once she realized Christian is gay, fucking
love that character. Also, as a kid, I didn't understand
that he's model of Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Is it. Yeah, Oh my god, he is.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
He just kind of comes into the room and does
this and like kind of like the flip of the
suit jacket and like the way he walked.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, yeah, everything. Yeah, so that's his character is meant
to be like a freak sanch transplant.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And how he was like talking to Josh a lot
at the house.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, and just like come on, let's go. Yeah. Yeah,
oh my god, love it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That is the best of the scene where they go
into the highway where she finds out Josh's gay. But
also that is just also a shout out to Donald
Fason as Murray because he is so good breakout.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And like his character after that, like in Scrubs, Like
I just feel like he just made it like his
whole career. He's just so so funny. By that highway
scene where they're just like screaming and screeching like down
the highway and all the cars.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean again, everyone's movie relates to real life,
Like I feel like everything has happened in this movie
is somehow you either use the lingo relates to it
because that was me the first time I arrived in Sydney,
I got lost in my car. I've been driving all
night to get from Brisbane to Sydney. I arrived in Senior,
accidentally got onto the Harbor Bridge and I couldn't be
going with the harbor Bridge is Dion going on the highway.
I was screaming in my car. But that's also where
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we find out that Christian's a cake boy. He's a
friend of Dorothy I get as a kid.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's so fucking funny, and I wish d three hours.
I wanted to do like a whole podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I wish character we should pitch to Mama Maya. Yeah,
brutally on his review, but it's like us actually watching
it and then pausing it and.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Then and it's a five hour podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
How love that?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I feel like I'm just saying, I feel like they'd.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Be on board. Yeah, if you spend a whole day
and a half doing the views.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Will be there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I feel like so as Ti, we kind of see
that she kind of lets this popular new level that
she's in go to her head.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
It's that classic story of it's almost like a Frankenstein
story of your own creation becomes too powerful and turns
against you. It's like a Frankenstein story or like My
Fair Lady, or even like ex Markner or something where
you or Splice.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Or something like. It's very sci fi ESQ.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Getaway storytelling of you create this being to be this
idolized thing, and then they become too powerful and then
they overthrow you to an extent. And so it's when
Cher realizes that Tie has feelings for Josh that really
sets her off, which leads to the iconic line.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You're a virgin who can't drive still the ultimate burn.
And I think also that's where you first see Share
like suddenly get pulled out of her positive butterflies and
rainbows like facad that she's had on, because then she
just immediately her face drops and she was like way harsh, Tie, Yeah,
that was we.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Harsh Tie, and like he's a poor shart dropped.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I was like, You're meant to be like the fun,
happy girl and now you're a sad girl.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I think that's the beauty of this movie not being
like a kind of it could have just been like
a frivolous like high school story, but it's got so
much heart behind it because you just see like how
broken Share is it that of having her friends say
that to her as a fun fact too. Brittany Murphy
at the time was a virgin who couldn't drive.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
She a license and.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Are we all as as a twenty nine year old virgin,
you can't drive, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
She said. At the time, Brittany Murphy was like, as
I was saying it, she was like, Oh, this is
me and it's meant to be the worst thing you
can say to someone.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
She's also like seventeen at the time, so these are
like these defining moments in her like childhood, are like
literally gonna live with her for the rest of the life.
She's like, it's just really the best of something I
can give her. And they're like, yeah, it's the worst
thing that can ever happen, something that could and she's
like really and they're like, yeah, say it. Say it's
like literally the worst thing you could say to a woman.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Exactly, just the worst.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
And then she said she's like, anyway, I'm OUTI which
is a word that still gets used.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I don't care what my teacher said. I'm gone. See.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
As we go along, then we have that moment to
build up at the end where you see chare like
she's got her inn onelog going and she's walking through
the streets of Beverly Hills and shops spine outfit, which
is important, and.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Then she was like, Josh, why does she want him?
He's just a slug who lies around the house or
day he can't dance. And then it cuts that scene
of Paul running the car and she's like, he's kind
of a Baldwin, which we're to think that that's an
Alec Baldwin, Stephen and Adam Baldwin because the Baldwin brothers
were the hot things of the time, so.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Like what were they doing though when.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
They were actors, like the Baldwin brothers Sea of hot.
I know you look at Alec Baldwin and Stephen Balwan
Adam Baldwin now and think that, but like this is
thirty years.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Now, because when I see them, I think all I
think of is like SML you know what I mean,
Like I miss that whole Like.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
You know, so when you say someone's kind of a
bald woman, it's the opposite of a Barney. A Barney
rubble is an ugly looking guy, and in the Clueless universe,
a bald one is a super hot guy.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Wow, Yeah, that is like great claim for them.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I know I've been running that.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
High for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I know. So sometimes when I look at Ilaria Baldwin,
I actually think, did she just watch Clueless?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, with her whole beturning to be Spanish, just.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Like Hailey changed her last name.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I know a company. She should be both ball like Bourby's
and Clueless. It's so much better.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So she's walking through.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
The streets and then she was like and then she's like, oh,
he's kind of a bullwd and then she's all of
a sudden and this is my most iconic shots in cinema,
where she's walking along and then she goes, oh my god,
I love Josh and the fountain lights up behind her,
and can I tell you I've been to that fountain.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It was my first the first time I went to her.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh, we have to find those photos. It's in Beverly Hills,
Flora's share me.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I sorry myself into the fountain crying. I'm it's like,
I love Josh too, Josh. It's so yeah. It is
really cute of how she has that moment if she
loves Josh and she's like, I'm completely in love with Josh.
But then we don't have that kind of quick payoff
because then we have that awkward kind of build up
into their first kiss.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, oh my god, okay, the first kiss. I was
like watching this as a teenager, I was literally the
minute she says I love Josh, I thought I'd have
like this big moment going yes, you do you do?
But as a teenager, I was like, do you.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's actually white the incredible plot twist because it's so
perfectly done. It's like such a slow burn, and again
he's like this annoying guy who thinks that she is.
Kind of the thing is he never actually thinks she's done,
which I think is to his credit. They kind of
do build up their relationship in a really interesting way.
It's such a slow burn. It's such a slow build.
It's so carefully peppered throughout the script that in that
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moment where she has that realization of I love Josh
and the fountain lines up, you as the viewer are
perfectly sync to have that realization with her, and that
is nearly impossible at a movie to do, to have
the character and the audience realize something so perfectly at
the same time. Yeah, it's working on levels we can't
(36:52):
even understand.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And I think also by having that storyline of they
are like extepsibly, Yeah, it's always as a like a
caveat of like, oh, that will never be a romantic thing.
So you're always in the back of your head saying, no,
this is not actually.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Even though they're really not. I think it's fine. Yeah,
and even set silings that even live together that.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Lot no, no, no, So he just does like the accounts.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
So then we have the thing where they're like having
a little flirt at the table share accidentally marks the
wrong calls in the files. A lawyer that means her
father's associate yells at her, which I feel like, I
feel like, hopefully that guy got fired the next day.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, I know your place, Yeah, your place, sir.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
The real villain of this movie, the paralegal at the
table at the dad's dinner table.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
So then we have just a beautifully framed shot of
Josh and Chaer sitting on the stairs on that beautiful
curve staircase with the two entrances, and you had that
build up where he's talking to to trying to make
her feel better, and it's a moment two where it's
like you kind of do believe they're going to be
together forever. He's not just in love with her because
she thinks she's pretty. He's like in love with who
she is in that moment, and that's what she realizes.
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And I'm going to say that kiss where she's like,
you think I'm beautiful and he's like, you know you're gorgeous?
Could you ever care about me? Thing? And then that
kiss Top five Hollywood Kisses Me where he leans right over,
grabs her and pulls her hair like gently, and like
how they had that passionate kiss.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, it's hot. It's really hot, so hot watching this
like over and over again as a teenagers, just like it.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Is the ultimate movie kiss, Like the chemistry is off
the charts and it's so funny. That clip is like,
I'm sure you can guess what happened next, and it
cuts to a wedding.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, the teacher's wedding.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, and again but she put together Yeah again. I
wish we could have talked about the teacher because also
Wallace Sean, who plays so good. I know, it's so
funny because he's such a renowned, critically acclaimed actor and
writer and stage actor. And he's like, people just come't
to me all the time, being like I Loved You
and Clueless and The Princess Bride, and I was.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Like, I love you and gossip Girl. It's great. But like, yeah,
a big pop point that we didn't get to cover
much was like Shares, Like big thing is like she's
a really good matchmaker. Yeah, and she was doing really
bad in school, so she put her teachers together to
kind of like convince them to give her better grade,
which is also what her dad is really proud of
her for for being able to like talk away into
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better grades. Share, what's this all about? The poor card?
The same semester?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
What do you do have turned in some extra credit reports?
Did you take the mid terms over?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
You mean to tell me that you argued your way
from a C plus to an anus.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Totally based on my powers of persuasion? You proud, honey.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I couldn't be happier than if they were based on
real grades.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But they actually did fall in love and they had
the wedding at the m.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, and then they get married at the end. And again,
also Wallace, is she like for her teachers Okay, well
she got them together. And again, so much of Wallace Shawn.
He has so much good dialogue as mister Hall and
miss and he's also the one who facilitates one of
the most iconic scenes, which we do really a time
onto touch, where they had the debate where she accidentally
says sharing her speech before she delivers the iconic it
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does not say aris on the Statue of Liberty, where
she accidentally says Haitians And she said that. So Alicia
Silverstone didn't know how to pronounce that world, which is fine,
which is fine. She was a young girl at the time.
She didn't know, and so she said that and everyone
went to jump in and correct her, and Amy Heckling's like,
don't don't know when say anything to her.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
We're keeping it in the movie. So she's like, Chare
would probably say that word wrong too.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Oh, that's so cute.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
So we cut to the wedding, which is funny because
that's how the studio want of the movie tend. First
of all, they were like, oh, we kind of incests,
and then they're like, but if we do keep the
step sibling incest or what if they get married, and
Amy Heckling was like no, and that's why there's that
thing of as if Yeah, I'm only seventeen, this is
not Kentucky. So then we have the wedding scene. So
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they could have the wedding that people wanted, it just
wouldn't be Share and Josh's wedding because that's crazy. So
we have misguys. And I should say that actress is
called Twink Kaplan. Oh, her name is Twink. She's really
good friends with Amy Heckling. She's also a producer on
the movie, and they've done many movies together since, so
they're two besties.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
The wedding dress she's wearing is so kind.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Of opulently created, and the bodice is so tight that
she couldn't sit down the whole day of filming. They
had to get one of those old fashioned standing boards
for her that like ladies back in the day would
have so she could lean.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Oh my gosh, So just like pretty much every bride.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, you're like, so everybody's ever gotten married.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
That's why you never, if you really think about it,
have you ever seen a bride sit down? Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
No, never, in all my days have I seen a
bride sit down?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Always standing.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
This is actually the last day of filming. So if
you kind of look around as they pan the camera around,
a lot of people look quite sad, and the boys
so bracking Maya Donald face and and Paul Rod hotties.
The three hotties get a giggle fit, and so they
couldn't finish filming. So there's a thing where Murray goes,
I'm bugging and Josh goes, I'm bugging myself.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So that wasn't That wasn't the script. That was just
Paul Rod kind of just talking, so trying to be
cool with the kids. He was a kid too, but
he had died.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It was just always fifty in my head.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
He's fifty forever fifty year old with the face of
a twenty year old.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
And so you can see in the movie that they
all just start cracking up, laughing, and that's what really happened.
And they kept saying.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Like, we've got to get the shot, guys, like that
wasn't the dialogue. We've got to get the shot.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And then after all Amy's like, just let them go,
like it's O fine, and so they film that the
sun went down and it was over.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So I think this is probably for the production where
you get another to share Josh getting married, because like
the bouquet gets tossed and Share catches there and Josh
kisses her, and I think that was like a little
tick box for them.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You get like we made you happy there. They will
get married eventually, and I feel like they did. They did,
you think so?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I feel like they did get married. Oh my god,
I'm so glad we never saw that. I know, people
get well the worst.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Clueless the TV show after that they were.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I know some people loved the Clueless TV Show. I
personally didn't. I find it interesting that pretty much the
whole cast except Alicia's Silverstone went into.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
The TV show. If that's what you loved, that's fine,
but it wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
And I feel like they're getting so pressured to make
Clueless too, And I just I feel we're in this
dangerous time now of reboots where that could actually happen,
and I really hope they don't.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It's a perfect movie. Let it be worried.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Some of them aren't even in the industry anymore.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, well, I know.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Stacey Dashy plays Dion, who is incredible in the movie.
She's also the only one who brought she twenty seven
with a six year old child, but she was just
so good.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
They can't it.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Isn't she like a politician, she's conservative.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Wild, we problemic, but this is what I mean. We
just can't.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Sometimes we have to just leave it just live time.
But Clueless such a good movie thirty years.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
On and still a perfect perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Everyone needs to go rewatch it. As we mentioned before
in the beginning, obviously spoilers of.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
This episode, Butlers.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Surely watched Clueless by now you're thirty years to watch
it the first time.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Ever, we didn't say spoilers at the time, which is
like she had thirty years. Yeah, so that's on you.
I don't think I've ever met someone who hasn't watched Clueless. No,
I honestly don't think I have.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I haven't either. We'll have to find them and then
I don't sit them down.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I don't teach them.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
We'll play our breadley honest review first and then I
can watch it after.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
So I don't want anyone with my life who hasn't
watched Cluelers. That's a deal break, guys. That's Rugan's favorite movie.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
So that is our brutally honest review of Clueless thirty
years late, but.
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We've done a whole bunch of them, so if you
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find them. We'll put a link to a bunch of
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mama may I. Welcome to the Spell, your daily
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and we have a very special episode today.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yes, today's episode is a brutally honest review of Clueless
que Kids in America.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The theme song that kicks it all off locking out.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
The dudio window outside the Guys in the City gal
as you Buy.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, So obviously, Clueless is one of the greatest movies
ever created, and it came out thirty years ago. Well
technically last week, but we had a bit on It
came out thirty years ago in a week long span. Now,
I should say the whole premise of brutally honest reviews
is that we do the review the week of release
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for a TV show or a movie.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So I must.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Apologize that we are late on this one. We should
have done it thirty years ago, and that's on us.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
That's on us. We apologize. I'm so sorry for not
being born yet.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, we apologize because it wasn't born. I was a child,
and that's on us.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's on us.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We're gonna take.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
That here and we're going to do better.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But we thought this.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Week everyone is talking about the movie again. Everyone's writing
think pieces and reviews, the cast is doing interviews. It's
all over TikTok with people doing like them favorite memories
of this movie, because this is a movie that has
shaped multiple generations. And then we thought, we're not going
to let our mistake of being not born in a
child get in the way of a brutally honest review
of one of the greatest movies ever.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, so we're thirty years late, but it's gonna be
a good one.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And I should say, I mean, I've watched this movie
too many times to count.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Do you remember the first time you watched it?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I was thirteen. Oh, okay, I think I was still
a bit too young to fully understands the the caveats.
Also because teenagers in the nineties were way different to
teenagers now, Like I didn't understand a lot of like
the sexual innuendos and like the smoking and the fashion.
A lot of it was I was very confused. But
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I remember illegally streaming it on my laptop. That was
like overheating on my like little deck in my bedroom,
and I had my posters or like Jessin McCartney and
the Jonas in the background. But I watched it because
it was like the cool girl thing to do, like
because I was in year seven and all the older
girls were like quoting Clueless, even though they were much
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too young to also be in that like zygeist time,
but they were like quoting Clueless, and I was like, oh,
cool girls watch.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Clueless, and I have to watch the case today.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Still hold up till this day, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because it's still a banger over movie.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
When was the first time you watched it?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I have no memory, because it's always been there. It's
always been in my life. I think I watched it
before I had proper consciousness, Like I watched it as
a small child.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Maybe you did do it as a child, and then
so you have actually no excuse to not do it
really exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, I should have as a small child, and it
came out in nineteen ninety five. I should I should
have got on the mic then, but no, my sister
and I just watched it on a VHS tape over
and over and over again and it was just always there,
like a Disney movie. I don't remember the first time
I watched it. I don't remember not having it in
my life. And it's so funny because we watched it
so many times and it's obviously not a kid's movie,
but my mum was okay with that, and my other
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sisters six years younger than us, and so she watched
it with us, and her first day of like kindergarten,
they said to everyone, get up and say something about
your family, and Lucy started reciting the whole Clueless movie
word for word. Was so inappropriate for KINDI Lucy gets
up and she's.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Like, you're a virgin who can't do She did?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
She did? She She knew the whole movie. And needless
to say, my mum got a call. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's so.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That is how much this movie is meant to so
many people. So we're going to get into it, and
we're starting from the beginning. So the movie was created
by Amy Heckling, who brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So she wrote and directed Yes, we owe that woman
so much.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So basically she was kind of shaping teen movies at
the time, and she was known for being able to
basically deliver a big box office hits. So she'd previously
done Fast Times at Ridgemont High, another iconic movie wildly
unsuitable for children that I grew up with.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
She did. I'm also look who's talking.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, the woman's a genius.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So what happens in Hollywood a lot of the time
is like when you have a few, especially back in
the day, a few big box office hits, you get
like a bit of a blank check whether Sadie, we
want this particular movie, go and create it. So Amy
Heckling was tasked with making a movie that would appeal
to teenagers on a mass degree, and she had remembered
reading the book Emma by Jane Austen as a teenager.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Great book, great book.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I actually gifted that book to my sister for her
birthday this year, read twenty two. She's never read it before.
One of those limited edition covers you need that you
have to know.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Every girl has to read Emma.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So such clueless is some people say loosely adapted, and
I guess it is because very different time periods, but
it follows the plot pretty much beat for me.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I feel like, if you know, the inspiration was
from Emma then you see it. Yeah, was if you
didn't know that, you don't really see it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Those whole storylines, characters and relationships.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's pretty much Amy Heckling took the.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
She's a man, yeah exactly well that this spawned a
whole lot of teenage adaptation of classics stories and like
how ten things I hated about you as Taming of
the Shrew and all that sort of stuff. So it's
based on Emma follows it very closely. And as Amy
Heckling was writing the script, every time she said an
article came out with like this is the new slang
that teens are saying, she would save it so she
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could build up the script because clueless is really no
one for really creating a whole language that we still
use today. She also when sat in on classes at
like Beverly Hills High and stuff like that to see
how the teens were talking. And as she was writing
the script, she would want her treadmill and watch Aerosmith
music videos, and that is where she saw Alicia Silverstone
for the first time. So Amy was watching Aerosmith music
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videos to you know, get her through her exercise, and
she kept seeing Alicia in them and just thinking that's Share,
that's the lead of my movie. So when she turned
the script into the studio, she turned in the script
and she turned in a photo of Alicia Silverstone and
she said, basically, the movie is these words and she
says them, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's the pitch, and that turned out to be correct.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I love that I've gone into a full deep dive
of Amy because I think she's absolutely brilliant and I
think she also paved the way for so many of
our favorite like female directors like Greta and Emerald and stuff,
and I think she's just like part of that crew
in my head. And I love like hearing the passion
behind the character for Share, because what I really like
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about Share as a character is that she's constantly happy
and positive and she never annoys you. Yeah, And I
feel like so many people try to have that typical
woman trope of always being the ditsy, happy, fun, quirky,
positive woman, and then it becomes so overdone that you
just get pissed off at these characters. And She's a
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character that is so unique that you never get pissed
off at her constantly being positive exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And the thing is in any other movie, she would
kind of be the villain, like the beautiful, blonde, popular
girl at school with the money and the wardrobe and
all that sort of stuff. Like usually that's the foil
for the more kind of goofy doesn't know she's beautiful,
who gets a make over, a kind of lead character
in a teen movie. So to make her the lead,
but also make her kind and lovable and also make
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you feel like so protective over her. And I feel
like that is what Alicia Silverstone brought to the role,
because she's also very anti like being a Hollywood star,
being that cool girl like There's sixty four. I think
it is costume changes in the movie for.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Her, Yeah, just for her character, because the fashion is
such a huge.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Part all designer and it was like a two hundred
thousand dollars budget just for the fashion, and they still
went over budget and had to beg designers to let
them borrow clothes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, all the way through. The had to do the
like favors, right, they had to in.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Return like name drop them in the script, and the
script became so iconic that like you don't even tell
that it's actually a branded deal.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I know that's why when she's getting monks, He's like,
get on the floor. She's like, so this isn't a
liar And he's like, what is that?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
She's like a really important design.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
He as like a child in like a tiny town
in North Queens and being like a liar important.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, I still check got it.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, every time I see any sort of a liar thing,
I'm just like, I think of that line. It just yeah,
it just works so well with her character. But Alicia
talked about the fact that she hated all the costume
changes and she hated like the glitz and glamor, and
she and she was hated girls like share at school
and so she really tried to play her the opposite
of that. And also she was like she's like, I
know the costumes are important and they helped me get
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into the character, but it's not the vibe. The casting
of this movie is a leek should we just say elite.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
What I love about this movie is that it was
a lot of like taking chances on the cast, like
a lot of them this was their breakout role. A
big one was Brittany Murphy. And I feel like, and
I feel like I can say this, like up until
her unfortunate death when in her early thirties she was
the massive breakout star from the show and she was
so so successful after that, she did like Uptown Girl,
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she had did like massive blockbuster hits. And it's really
hard to talk about this movie in like a light
that doesn't also cover the darkness that happened in her
life and after that, because it is such a sad
story about what happened, especially that we don't actually know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, everything that's happened.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, But I also love because a lot of the cast,
they always get asked about this, They do so many
interviews and they all speak really beautiful about Brittany and
say that that's how they want to remember her. So
you and I did do an episode about her very
tragic death. Well linkdam in the show notes that has
all the info.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Now it's just really nice to focus on like her
legacy from this movie. It's so interesting because obviously, like
Alicia was already cast when the movie went into production,
so they would bring all the other cast members in
to have chemistry reads with her to see if they.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Would get the part.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And when they were auditioning people for Tye, they had
saw all these actresses. And then Alicia Silverstone tells a
story if she saw Britney Murphy walk in the door
that day, you know, one of her first big auditions.
This like goofy grid in her face, his big dough eyes,
just like bounce into the room, and she said she
whipped around to the producers and said, that's her.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That's Tie. We don't even need to do the read.
They did the reading. Amy was like I know, yeah,
like we know. So that was incredible casting. We got
Paul Rudd for a second. Who plays Josh Paul Rudd.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
The funny thing about Paul Rudd is that I think
he was the only character in that whole movie that
wore his own clothes.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The budget stopped at him. It was just like, he's
pretty much Josh.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Essentially.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's so funny because Paul Rod was trying to make
it Holy One at the time, and he went and
read for the part and heard nothing, and so he
had a career crisis and he's like.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm never going to be an actor.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't want to do And then Amy called him
and said we're cast you. And when they met, he
had shaved his head. So one of the reasons she
loved him for the role is he had this big, thick,
glossy hair.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
He's got great hair now, but in the movie he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And Amy's like, why would you do that? And he said, well, Amy,
I didn't hear from you. I thought my career was open.
I was like, I've got to shake things up. And
then he goes and then I watched Forest Gump. You
know how Forest Gump shaves his head.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
He had a brittany moment, and so.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's written into the script. There's that scene later on
when Cher and Josh are sitting at the table. He
makes a joke about her clothes and she says, well,
you look like Forest Gump and he takes his cap
off and that's his cap, his real cap because.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I had no budget. Their relationship is so fascinating because
it's such a risky romantic relationship to play because their
ex step siblings. And production actually wanted to change that
because I were like, this is weird. It's a bit incestuous.
And then Amy said, well, my grandparents were except siblings,
so we're going to be doing this.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Amy, that's not the flexing thing.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And it worked though, Like like you watch that movie.
You get a bit weird of that, But then you're
so badly rooting for both of these people to be
together that you completely ignore all the problematic nature of
their dynamic.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think that they try and really drill home in
the script, especially with Cher's dad mal who that is
a pitch perfect performance from him.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He excares me so much, like I love his character.
He's like, share, what is that?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's a dress? Says who Kevin Kline, go.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Put something on and she's like, duh, just gunna.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Or she's like, so we go to Malibu this weekend.
See those degenerates, Well they are your parents. Also, it's
so funny when you hear the cast talk about him.
They're just like he was actually the nicest actor they'd
ever worked with, that he was so lovely. But then
you just picture going, daddy, this is my friend. TI,
get out of my chair. But then also like they
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really got a links to show that. As Chare says,
but you were barely even married to his mother and
that was five years ago. You wives, not children, which
is super lovely him. We're just gonna quote the whole movie,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's the most quotable movie I feel like if you
said to me, now, can you recite that movie from
intro to end? I would kind of be able to
do it. Yeah, I just I won't do it now.
But the microphone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Chemistry between the characters are so good because generally speaking,
that like character of that dad would be so terrifying
and so scary, and you would assume that his daughter
would be so scared to like do wrong by him,
And you just see scenes of him like yelling at
her and she's just like fixing his tie. It's so sweet.
Like the love she has for everyone that character, regardless
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of how they like like her or not, is just
done so well, which is why the tension between her
and tie when we get to that part we'll talk
about more, but like it makes it so much bigger
than what it really is.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So I know we're moving around, but you guys have
seen the movie, but the setup of the character in
this world is so incredible. So one is that, Like,
obviously it was the nineties, so it was very big
then for like teenagers to be like really grungey looking.
And that was also not just the aesthetic for teenagers,
it was the aesthetic for like pop culture, and then
Amy Heckling wanted to kind of flip that on its
nose and have these teenagers who lived in this glossy,
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unattainable world with their like designer outfits going to school
and hills having their phones and their cars and stuff.
And the first intro to that we have is that
iconic scene where shur goes to pick up dion and
they're both was wearing the world's most incredible outfits.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Here's where Diane lives.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
She's my friend because we both know what it's like
to have people be jealous of us girlfriend, and I
must give her snaps from her courageous fashion efforts. Hey share,
Dionne and I were both named after great singers of
the past who now do infomercials.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Justice for Cher who hadn't had her being Comeback Believe
song yet and also learning about like the character shares
kind of tragic backstory that her mother died during a
fluke viprosection appointment.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They're trying to make it really funny, and I was like, Oh.
As a child, I was.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Like, oh, I know, I guess that that day is
very kind of a Disney thing to have, Like you
not have your mother and.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Have a gruffy ye grumpia.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's also that line where she's going up to her
mother's big, beautiful portrait and then kind of sitting on
her backstory where we get like one of those first
bits of dialogue that we still use today, where she was,
isn't my mama total Betty? And did you notice later
on where she goes why is Ty hanging out with
those Barneys? So that's a Flintstone reference, you know, like
the og Flintstones cartoon, how you had Betty and Barney Rubble,
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and so the idea was that Betty was this beautiful
bombshell and Barney was kind of like a nothing guy.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So you call a hot girl he was no Fread, Yeah, exactly,
Fread was hot. We all know it cartoon, And I
feel like that's a.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Thing that people still say Betty and Barney and you
instantly know.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
What they're talking immediately.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I actually thought, by the time I was an adult,
I would have a computer that would pick out my outfits.
I know there's apps that do it for you.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Technology has really done us an injustice since clearless.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I know, like I.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Genuinely thought I'd have my little Mac desktop and I'd
have all the time in the world. In the morning,
you get to go up to it, let it load,
let it overheat, and then get it to either like
pick my outfit or randomize. Yeah, And I'm like, oh,
it was just so like I can't even explain to
you what it felt like watching that on my laptop
as a teenager. I was just like, oh my god,
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this is what the cool girls do.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And I was like, that will be me one day.
You're still waiting. We kind of get to the high school.
And this is I think so important because so many
other movies have borrowed from this scene, which is the
kind of the flip around introducing like the stoners and
this and that, and like, obviously they do it really
famously in Mean Girls, but it's such this quick way
to really set the tone of the school hierarchy and
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where Share and Dion sit in it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That first initial scene is the one that everyone's memorized
of them both walking into the school in those outfits.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
There's something like over one hundred different types of plaid
used in the movie, and most of them for Share
and also moments for Dion and the hat and they
come also, I love the drive to school when Chaer
is just first of all, she shouldn't be in that car,
she's only got a permit. A second of all, she
smashes into a pop plant.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This made me really confused about like the driving legalities
in the US.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think maybe she's technically allowed to drive with the permit.
I don't know, guys, saman takes when you know, what
I can safely say is that she shouldn't be knocking
over things and she shouldn't be running stop signs. But
that's also one of the most quotable parts of the movie.
Whatever I've had any little suggest she will say, I
still say that came out of nowhere. Or when Deane
goes hello, there was a stop sign? What I totally passed.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I totally passed.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yes with the outfits because it is such a shaping
part of the movie. So the costumes were designed by
Mona May, who is absolute incredible costume designer. I think
we owe so much of what we see on screen
and the most iconic outfits in cinema to her because
she also did the costume design for Romey and Michelle's
high school reera.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, and she says that like Ramie Michelle was kind
of like a continuation flueless, which I absolutely love because
once she said that quote, I saw it immediately. I
was like, Yes, this is it. I'm obsessed with the
skirt and the jacket that Share and Dionne wear when
they walk into school because I feel like that's the
costume that always gets picked for Halloween. It's a costume
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that always gets picked for like dresser parties, over any
other outfit in the movie. And that scene of them
just walking in and finding out that Mona struggled really
hard to find the perfect color because she's like, yellow
can be like sunshine, but you can also be jaundice,
and you have to get it completely right. And they
tried her and blue, and they tried her in red,
and the yellow was the one that stood out for
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the yellow.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So you know what I so love is that Alicia
Silverson has that outfit.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She hasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
She pulls it out in commercials, she pulls.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It out for TikTok, she did it on that lip
sync battle. She recently, honor of the thirtieth anniversary, recreated that.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Ooh with her son Bear.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Now, look, that woman has got a lot of flack
over the years, and some of it fair. I'm just
going to say, love her to death. She pedals some
dangerous health information. But she got raked over the coals
when she revealed that she used to feed Bear from
her mouth, just the bird feeding thing, because she's kind
of like a very kind of health conscious granola mom.
And I was like, can share horror.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
WIT's just live. I know, I have a confession. Oh
my god, what your mom fed you from her mouth?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Okay? So you know how like my background's Indian. Yeah,
so you obviously can't give your children like straight up
chili curries when they're born. So what my mom used
to do or she would take like the bits of meat,
suck out all the spice, and then sloppy chicken from.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You and Bear silver Stone. So I'm like, leave.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Her alone just because she says it out loud, like
moms do whatever to get their kids to eat.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'm just telling you that right exactly Alicia Silverstone's parenting.
I was like, not on my watch. Then she's like,
maybe don't.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Get vaccine, and I'm like, oh, I can't follow you there,
But the rest of the stuff, I'm on board with you.
I'm bored with you anyway, So that's that's neither here
on air. And then yes, we have the introduction of
Tye coming to school as the loser transfer girl, and
Brittany Murphy is wearing like a graphic T shirt she's got.
They've put like just a red almost like a gel
through her hair so they could like wash it out later,
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and Dionne and Chair take her on his little charity project,
which she was on board with.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And I understand, Yeah, dion is like the crowd favorite.
She's like acting as us the audience going what's going on?
But what share Dionne did to Tie is what the
movie she is all that was trying to.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Achieve the whole Really, Wow, explain your hypothesis.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I feel like Clueless was the first true makeover transformation
that I actually believed. Yes, like ty we were introduced
to her and I was like, oh, yeah, this is
like a geeky kid, Like what can they do to
make her like the beautiful popular girl in that like
stereotypical way, And they did it, and she was beautiful
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and stereotypical and popular, and I was like, and I
see it, Like it wasn't like a beautiful girl in disguise,
even though Brittany Murphy is just absolutely stunning, but they
really made you believe that, yeah, she was a giggy
girl and like there's nothing you can do to change that.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, that is so true because they like.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
She saw that where she was just wearing glasses beautiful.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Which I love when they parody that another team, but
they just take up her glasses, like and we're not.
I know, it's such an iconic makeover scene where they
wash the head eye out and like do her makeup
and hair and they start even doing like body exercises
and stuff and I'm a supermodel plays to an iconic song.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And yet you really see it. It's also kind of
interesting in a way that like.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
It kind of flips throughout the movie because Cher is
meant to be kind of like the guiding light for Tie.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Used to fish out of water.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But it goes to show like how none of these
characters like Cookie Cutter, because Tie is actually the more
worldly one in a way, Like there's so many also,
so many references I didn't get as a kid. When
they're talking about things like coke and she's like, no shit,
you guys got coke.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Here.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
She's like yeah, this is America, and I'm like, as
an adult, my gosh, she wasn't talking about Coca cola.
But also when she's so shocked that shares a virgin,
which is another.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Thing because can't drive.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, which is an insult that comes up later.
But when they have that first thing, no shit, share
you're a virgin, and she was like, if you know
how it's picking out at my shoes and they only
got my feet.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I'm like, so true. It's true. But also it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Interesting because usually the popular girl in that kind of
movie in the nineties would be seen as like the
over sexualized and being a.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Virgin finning after all the boys.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, and immediately you know.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That she's not standing for any like teenage boy. Like
she's like, oh, high school boys grows yeah, and I'm like, wait,
high school boys are gross?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And am I trying to make them fall in love
with me?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And she was just like I think I'm just gonna
wait because I think I'm better than this, and you're like, actually, yeah,
like this.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Is such an important high school movie. I don't know
why young going out with the high school point. They're
like dogs, you have to clean them. And feed them.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
They're just like these nervous creatures that jumped its slaver
all over.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You, oh off of me, as she's a freaking feminist
icon because saying like, yeah, like we're so picky about
our shoes, we should be also picky about the people
we have sex with. And it's like she's talking the truth.
Also with like my man is setis fat, but technically
I'm a virgin.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Me as a five year old.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Being like satisfied, I was like these girls and my
people were on the same level. So much that I
know about like sex and drugs and stuff. I'm just
real like thinkin from clueless, like these women raised me.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And I only found that on my second watch when
I was about eighteen. When I was thirteen, I was
just like this is cool, and one of my second
and my second watch, I was like, oh shit, yes cool.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It's all coming full circle though, and then we see
Tires start to evolve become the popular girl. I also
love that first time that she's trying to teach her
how to speak properly and she's like, you can say
something like sporadically, and the first time she introduces her
to Josh, he's like I'll be.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Seeing you and she's like, yeah, I hope not.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Sporadically, it's like changing all her like not just who
she is, but how she speaks, how she thinks, which
evolves to not a good place as the movie goes along.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, does not evolve. She becomes really really mean, but
you can tell at her core she still has like
those deep like original needs, like how she is always
just pining after Travis. Yeah, and no matter who, like
Share tried to set her up, which she's like, no,
like she originally just wanted Travis, and then she like
had a crush on Josh, but then she realized she
didn't actually like Josh. Someone else liked Josh.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean, oh my god, just a moment for
Travis Breckenmeier.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I love that man.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I've watching him do some interviews lately and he's like,
obviously looks a lot older now, but he still has
that breck and Meyer smile. When I up Skater Boy, Yeah, yeah,
he did his own stunts.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Important to say in the movie Rode.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
To Skate Forward.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But also he said that he was a lot older
than Britney Murphy, well a couple of years older, because
she was the youngest wife bit, and he was saying
that he just saw her as a little sister and he
loved her so much, and that's why in that final
scene when a lot of different couples are kissing, he
leans over and kisses her on the forehead. And he
was supposed to kiss her on the lips. That was
in the script, and on the day he was like,
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I'm not kissing my little sister on the lips.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Sorry, not happening.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He's like, I know how much you're like in insects.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
This movie, but I will not buy by taking in
the incest. He took a stand against incest.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
He took a stand against incest. I have to talk
about my favorite scene.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Oh, what's your favorite scene.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's not my favorite scene, but it's the scene.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I mean, obviously every scene's our favorite scene, So what's
the one you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It sticks out the most to me when Cher and
Elton at the d MB in like the dark, yeah,
and it's nighttime, and then she rejects him, so he
leaves her there, and it's like, up until then, you're
still seeing all this like positivity around her, right, like
so many things are going wrong for her, like she's
failing her driving test. It's not happening, like her friends
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are kind of being weird with her, and she's still
so happy and positive and challenge energy. And she gets mugged.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's like the most low stakes mugging I've.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Ever seen, to the point where she gets up and
she's not even like super super rattle. She just like
walks over the payphone and calls Josh to get her
to pick up and she's like, I got totally mugged.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So good again.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Pulled from Emma, I think in the book, it's like
Emma's doing a painting and afterwards she's like, but you
wanted the portrait of her and she's like, He's like
the portrait you painted.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
And then in this she's like, but you have a
photo of Tie, hang your locker the photo you took.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So he basically assaults her like and then I yeah,
I love that scene Josh coming to pick her up.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Fun fact, I think you know this. Paul Rudd was
mugged like the day before Get a Break, First a
Run his share.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Am Amy was just following poor Biop.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
He really had to have enough time. This movie, he's
trying to.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Man the same person who filmed Clueless, Filled ant Man,
Quantum Mania.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
They're so scared of Paul Rud that like, we can't
leave him alone.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
We have to follow him, we have to look after dreams. So, yeah,
Paul Rud shaved his head. He looks ridiculous. He's wearing
the weird cap. He's he that's how he really dances.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You know the scene they're taken to the nightclub and
they're like, he's talking to the bouncer and then he's
doing the shoulder dance. That's how he really dances.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's such a dag. I love dag.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, he's such a dag.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And yeah, so like he also looks the exact same.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's wild, it doesn't. It's the same for doing the
Lord's work. I just follow.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He needs to be studied.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So a few days before they film that scene, Paul
Rod was mugged and his back back was taken and
in the backpack was the script for Clueless to.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Say that I don't remember and.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That was wrong. Don't you remember? The one scene he's
able to nail is a mugging scene.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Be calling you exactly happened?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
He's like, that was me days ago? And I also
didn't want to lie down in my outfit. I'm like,
I'm just saying that mugger. I didn't know the goal
they possessed of having the unreleased Clueless script in Paul
Rod's stolen backpack, so he had a hard time.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
So that was rough for him, but he pulled it
together to.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Film the scene. I do love that scene where he
comes to pick up Share because he's got his college
hook up in the car, and that's when we get
that moment where you see that Share is like it's
almost like a line through to legally blonde. It's like
you're really smart in a different way that's not just
like remembering a textbook or something, because it's like that
whole thing of Ellwood's having a bit of street smarts,
so knowing how long a perm takes to set that
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makes her the winner. And Share has a very similar
thing where the girl in the car is underscript college girls.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
How I think of her? I actually think her name
might be eight me in the movie anyway, nondescriptive villain
college girl is in the car with Josh, and she's
obviously like one of those very snooty, pretentious kind of
college girls.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
He's like trying to take the piss out of sharely.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Like to Share like obviously like cocked her as being
like a blonde bimbo.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
This girl just got mugged.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
She just got sexually assaulted and mugged. And then she's like,
you look dumb, so I'm gonna roast you. And then
they have that really iconic moment where she quotes Hamlet
and Chaer sees her moment and was like, that's not
what he said, and she's like, I think I remember
Hamlet accurately. And then you see Share just be like
in her eyes like I've got her and be like, well,
(29:37):
I think I remember mel Gibson acuary and he.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Didn't say that. That polonious guy did. And that's the
end of Josh's date.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So good, and that's a minute you see, Oh there's
going to happen, be something with Cher and Josh.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, there's a few different dynacs in the story where
things are interesting, and it's mostly really that whole thing
with Share and Josh and Ty that is like the
pivotal love story. Once she realized Christian is gay, fucking
love that character. Also, as a kid, I didn't understand
that he's model of Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Is it. Yeah, Oh my god, he is.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
He just kind of comes into the room and does
this and like kind of like the flip of the
suit jacket and like the way he walked.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, yeah, everything. Yeah, so that's his character is meant
to be like a freak sanch transplant.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And how he was like talking to Josh a lot
at the house.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, and just like come on, let's go. Yeah. Yeah,
oh my god, love it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That is the best of the scene where they go
into the highway where she finds out Josh's gay. But
also that is just also a shout out to Donald
Fason as Murray because he is so good breakout.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And like his character after that, like in Scrubs, Like
I just feel like he just made it like his
whole career. He's just so so funny. By that highway
scene where they're just like screaming and screeching like down
the highway and all the cars.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean again, everyone's movie relates to real life,
Like I feel like everything has happened in this movie
is somehow you either use the lingo relates to it
because that was me the first time I arrived in Sydney,
I got lost in my car. I've been driving all
night to get from Brisbane to Sydney. I arrived in Senior,
accidentally got onto the Harbor Bridge and I couldn't be
going with the harbor Bridge is Dion going on the highway.
I was screaming in my car. But that's also where
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we find out that Christian's a cake boy. He's a
friend of Dorothy I get as a kid.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's so fucking funny, and I wish d three hours.
I wanted to do like a whole podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I wish character we should pitch to Mama Maya. Yeah,
brutally on his review, but it's like us actually watching
it and then pausing it and.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Then and it's a five hour podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
How love that?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I feel like I'm just saying, I feel like they'd.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Be on board. Yeah, if you spend a whole day
and a half doing the views.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Will be there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I feel like so as Ti, we kind of see
that she kind of lets this popular new level that
she's in go to her head.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
It's that classic story of it's almost like a Frankenstein
story of your own creation becomes too powerful and turns
against you. It's like a Frankenstein story or like My
Fair Lady, or even like ex Markner or something where
you or Splice.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Or something like. It's very sci fi ESQ.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Getaway storytelling of you create this being to be this
idolized thing, and then they become too powerful and then
they overthrow you to an extent. And so it's when
Cher realizes that Tie has feelings for Josh that really
sets her off, which leads to the iconic line.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You're a virgin who can't drive still the ultimate burn.
And I think also that's where you first see Share
like suddenly get pulled out of her positive butterflies and
rainbows like facad that she's had on, because then she
just immediately her face drops and she was like way harsh, Tie, Yeah,
that was we.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Harsh Tie, and like he's a poor shart dropped.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I was like, You're meant to be like the fun,
happy girl and now you're a sad girl.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I think that's the beauty of this movie not being
like a kind of it could have just been like
a frivolous like high school story, but it's got so
much heart behind it because you just see like how
broken Share is it that of having her friends say
that to her as a fun fact too. Brittany Murphy
at the time was a virgin who couldn't drive.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
She a license and.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Are we all as as a twenty nine year old virgin,
you can't drive, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
She said. At the time, Brittany Murphy was like, as
I was saying it, she was like, Oh, this is
me and it's meant to be the worst thing you
can say to someone.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
She's also like seventeen at the time, so these are
like these defining moments in her like childhood, are like
literally gonna live with her for the rest of the life.
She's like, it's just really the best of something I
can give her. And they're like, yeah, it's the worst
thing that can ever happen, something that could and she's
like really and they're like, yeah, say it. Say it's
like literally the worst thing you could say to a woman.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Exactly, just the worst.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
And then she said she's like, anyway, I'm OUTI which
is a word that still gets used.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I don't care what my teacher said. I'm gone. See.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
As we go along, then we have that moment to
build up at the end where you see chare like
she's got her inn onelog going and she's walking through
the streets of Beverly Hills and shops spine outfit, which
is important, and.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Then she was like, Josh, why does she want him?
He's just a slug who lies around the house or
day he can't dance. And then it cuts that scene
of Paul running the car and she's like, he's kind
of a Baldwin, which we're to think that that's an
Alec Baldwin, Stephen and Adam Baldwin because the Baldwin brothers
were the hot things of the time, so.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Like what were they doing though when.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
They were actors, like the Baldwin brothers Sea of hot.
I know you look at Alec Baldwin and Stephen Balwan
Adam Baldwin now and think that, but like this is
thirty years.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Now, because when I see them, I think all I
think of is like SML you know what I mean,
Like I miss that whole Like.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
You know, so when you say someone's kind of a
bald woman, it's the opposite of a Barney. A Barney
rubble is an ugly looking guy, and in the Clueless universe,
a bald one is a super hot guy.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Wow, Yeah, that is like great claim for them.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I know I've been running that.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
High for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I know. So sometimes when I look at Ilaria Baldwin,
I actually think, did she just watch Clueless?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, with her whole beturning to be Spanish, just.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Like Hailey changed her last name.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I know a company. She should be both ball like Bourby's
and Clueless. It's so much better.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So she's walking through.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
The streets and then she was like and then she's like, oh,
he's kind of a bullwd and then she's all of
a sudden and this is my most iconic shots in cinema,
where she's walking along and then she goes, oh my god,
I love Josh and the fountain lights up behind her,
and can I tell you I've been to that fountain.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It was my first the first time I went to her.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh, we have to find those photos. It's in Beverly Hills,
Flora's share me.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I sorry myself into the fountain crying. I'm it's like,
I love Josh too, Josh. It's so yeah. It is
really cute of how she has that moment if she
loves Josh and she's like, I'm completely in love with Josh.
But then we don't have that kind of quick payoff
because then we have that awkward kind of build up
into their first kiss.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, oh my god, okay, the first kiss. I was
like watching this as a teenager, I was literally the
minute she says I love Josh, I thought I'd have
like this big moment going yes, you do you do?
But as a teenager, I was like, do you.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's actually white the incredible plot twist because it's so
perfectly done. It's like such a slow burn, and again
he's like this annoying guy who thinks that she is.
Kind of the thing is he never actually thinks she's done,
which I think is to his credit. They kind of
do build up their relationship in a really interesting way.
It's such a slow burn. It's such a slow build.
It's so carefully peppered throughout the script that in that
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moment where she has that realization of I love Josh
and the fountain lines up, you as the viewer are
perfectly sync to have that realization with her, and that
is nearly impossible at a movie to do, to have
the character and the audience realize something so perfectly at
the same time. Yeah, it's working on levels we can't
(36:52):
even understand.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And I think also by having that storyline of they
are like extepsibly, Yeah, it's always as a like a
caveat of like, oh, that will never be a romantic thing.
So you're always in the back of your head saying, no,
this is not actually.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Even though they're really not. I think it's fine. Yeah,
and even set silings that even live together that.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Lot no, no, no, So he just does like the accounts.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
So then we have the thing where they're like having
a little flirt at the table share accidentally marks the
wrong calls in the files. A lawyer that means her
father's associate yells at her, which I feel like, I
feel like, hopefully that guy got fired the next day.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, I know your place, Yeah, your place, sir.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
The real villain of this movie, the paralegal at the
table at the dad's dinner table.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
So then we have just a beautifully framed shot of
Josh and Chaer sitting on the stairs on that beautiful
curve staircase with the two entrances, and you had that
build up where he's talking to to trying to make
her feel better, and it's a moment two where it's
like you kind of do believe they're going to be
together forever. He's not just in love with her because
she thinks she's pretty. He's like in love with who
she is in that moment, and that's what she realizes.
(38:03):
And I'm going to say that kiss where she's like,
you think I'm beautiful and he's like, you know you're gorgeous?
Could you ever care about me? Thing? And then that
kiss Top five Hollywood Kisses Me where he leans right over,
grabs her and pulls her hair like gently, and like
how they had that passionate kiss.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, it's hot. It's really hot, so hot watching this
like over and over again as a teenagers, just like it.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Is the ultimate movie kiss, Like the chemistry is off
the charts and it's so funny. That clip is like,
I'm sure you can guess what happened next, and it
cuts to a wedding.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, the teacher's wedding.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, and again but she put together Yeah again. I
wish we could have talked about the teacher because also
Wallace Sean, who plays so good. I know, it's so
funny because he's such a renowned, critically acclaimed actor and
writer and stage actor. And he's like, people just come't
to me all the time, being like I Loved You
and Clueless and The Princess Bride, and I was.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Like, I love you and gossip Girl. It's great. But like, yeah,
a big pop point that we didn't get to cover
much was like Shares, Like big thing is like she's
a really good matchmaker. Yeah, and she was doing really
bad in school, so she put her teachers together to
kind of like convince them to give her better grade,
which is also what her dad is really proud of
her for for being able to like talk away into
(39:17):
better grades. Share, what's this all about? The poor card?
The same semester?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
What do you do have turned in some extra credit reports?
Did you take the mid terms over?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
You mean to tell me that you argued your way
from a C plus to an anus.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Totally based on my powers of persuasion? You proud, honey.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I couldn't be happier than if they were based on
real grades.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But they actually did fall in love and they had
the wedding at the m.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, and then they get married at the end. And again,
also Wallace, is she like for her teachers Okay, well
she got them together. And again, so much of Wallace Shawn.
He has so much good dialogue as mister Hall and
miss and he's also the one who facilitates one of
the most iconic scenes, which we do really a time
onto touch, where they had the debate where she accidentally
says sharing her speech before she delivers the iconic it
(40:09):
does not say aris on the Statue of Liberty, where
she accidentally says Haitians And she said that. So Alicia
Silverstone didn't know how to pronounce that world, which is fine,
which is fine. She was a young girl at the time.
She didn't know, and so she said that and everyone
went to jump in and correct her, and Amy Heckling's like,
don't don't know when say anything to her.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
We're keeping it in the movie. So she's like, Chare
would probably say that word wrong too.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Oh, that's so cute.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
So we cut to the wedding, which is funny because
that's how the studio want of the movie tend. First
of all, they were like, oh, we kind of incests,
and then they're like, but if we do keep the
step sibling incest or what if they get married, and
Amy Heckling was like no, and that's why there's that
thing of as if Yeah, I'm only seventeen, this is
not Kentucky. So then we have the wedding scene. So
(40:56):
they could have the wedding that people wanted, it just
wouldn't be Share and Josh's wedding because that's crazy. So
we have misguys. And I should say that actress is
called Twink Kaplan. Oh, her name is Twink. She's really
good friends with Amy Heckling. She's also a producer on
the movie, and they've done many movies together since, so
they're two besties.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
The wedding dress she's wearing is so kind.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Of opulently created, and the bodice is so tight that
she couldn't sit down the whole day of filming. They
had to get one of those old fashioned standing boards
for her that like ladies back in the day would
have so she could lean.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Oh my gosh, So just like pretty much every bride.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, you're like, so everybody's ever gotten married.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
That's why you never, if you really think about it,
have you ever seen a bride sit down? Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
No, never, in all my days have I seen a
bride sit down?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Always standing.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
This is actually the last day of filming. So if
you kind of look around as they pan the camera around,
a lot of people look quite sad, and the boys
so bracking Maya Donald face and and Paul Rod hotties.
The three hotties get a giggle fit, and so they
couldn't finish filming. So there's a thing where Murray goes,
I'm bugging and Josh goes, I'm bugging myself.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So that wasn't That wasn't the script. That was just
Paul Rod kind of just talking, so trying to be
cool with the kids. He was a kid too, but
he had died.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It was just always fifty in my head.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
He's fifty forever fifty year old with the face of
a twenty year old.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
And so you can see in the movie that they
all just start cracking up, laughing, and that's what really happened.
And they kept saying.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Like, we've got to get the shot, guys, like that
wasn't the dialogue. We've got to get the shot.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And then after all Amy's like, just let them go,
like it's O fine, and so they film that the
sun went down and it was over.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So I think this is probably for the production where
you get another to share Josh getting married, because like
the bouquet gets tossed and Share catches there and Josh
kisses her, and I think that was like a little
tick box for them.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You get like we made you happy there. They will
get married eventually, and I feel like they did. They did,
you think so?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I feel like they did get married. Oh my god,
I'm so glad we never saw that. I know, people
get well the worst.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Clueless the TV show after that they were.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I know some people loved the Clueless TV Show. I
personally didn't. I find it interesting that pretty much the
whole cast except Alicia's Silverstone went into.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
The TV show. If that's what you loved, that's fine,
but it wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
And I feel like they're getting so pressured to make
Clueless too, And I just I feel we're in this
dangerous time now of reboots where that could actually happen,
and I really hope they don't.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It's a perfect movie. Let it be worried.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Some of them aren't even in the industry anymore.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, well, I know.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Stacey Dashy plays Dion, who is incredible in the movie.
She's also the only one who brought she twenty seven
with a six year old child, but she was just
so good.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
They can't it.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Isn't she like a politician, she's conservative.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Wild, we problemic, but this is what I mean. We
just can't.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Sometimes we have to just leave it just live time.
But Clueless such a good movie thirty years.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
On and still a perfect perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Everyone needs to go rewatch it. As we mentioned before
in the beginning, obviously spoilers of.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
This episode, Butlers.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Surely watched Clueless by now you're thirty years to watch
it the first time.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Ever, we didn't say spoilers at the time, which is
like she had thirty years. Yeah, so that's on you.
I don't think I've ever met someone who hasn't watched Clueless. No,
I honestly don't think I have.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I haven't either. We'll have to find them and then
I don't sit them down.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I don't teach them.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
We'll play our breadley honest review first and then I
can watch it after.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
So I don't want anyone with my life who hasn't
watched Cluelers. That's a deal break, guys. That's Rugan's favorite movie.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
So that is our brutally honest review of Clueless thirty
years late, but.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
We've done it. We love doing our brutally honest reviews.
We've done a whole bunch of them, so if you
haven't caught up, please go up in our feed to
find them. We'll put a link to a bunch of
them in our show notes. But thanks so much for
listening to this episode of This Spill. The Spill is
produced by Minitius Wine with sound production by Scott Stronik,
and we'll be back here on your podcast feed at
three pm on Monday. Bye Bye,
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