March 28, 2025 • 35 mins
It's been 20 years since we first met Meredith Grey and the surgical interns at Seattle Grace Hospital, and Grey's Anatomy is still serving up plenty of medical miracles, romantic entanglements, and catastrophic disasters.
Joining us to Brutally Honest Review the Shonda Rhimes hit series is our in-house Grey's expert Grace Rouvray, as we dissect everything from the most underrated moments to the character deaths that broke our hearts. From the iconic friendship between Christina and Meredith that gave us "you're my person," to the questionable storylines that had us rolling our eyes, we're examining what has kept viewers like us coming back for 20 seasons.
Plus, we reveal the dramatic behind-the-scenes controversies, debate which doctor was truly the hottest (are you Team McSteamy or Team McDreamy?), and discuss how the show's treatment of female ambition has aged in the era of the "pick me girl."
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm m Burnham and I'm kussemue Lukitch.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm back.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're back and look LB's not here today, so we've
got a bit row.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
There's a guest in our studio, Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
In our studio. Can you introduce yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Hello, I'm Grace Ruthy. I'm one of the producers and
hosts you at Muma Mia, and I'm very excited to
be here on the Spill talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's just like one level down from Ellen Pompeo's great.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That's what people say.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
In this offer. Grace is the resident expert.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
On all things Shonder.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I love Shonder.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, so it's not just Gray as you go.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'm a bridget the resident. Yeah, I've watched it on
the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh okay, so you're a Shonda expert.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I am an actual Shonder expert.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
WHOA This could be like your hard quiz, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, this is my high quiz. It's like it's embarrassing
how much of my life I've wasted watching and rewatching
Shonda things.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well it's all built out to this moment because you
actually pitched this.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Episode to us months ago. I knew that the twentieth
anniversary of Grey's Anatomy was coming up, and I saw
it was this week.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So without LB here, because we didn't consult her, we
took the reins. We decided to do a brutally honest
review on Grey's Anatomy, the entire series that's still going.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's twenty years.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
So it started in two thousand and five.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yes, so you were just born, weren't you.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I would have been like, I want to say eleven.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, that's just my jealousy poking true. I mean I
was fifteen, Yeah, I say, and I think we're the same.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, and I think it how it captivated the fifteen
year old brain is that we were just cognizant enough
of male attention. Well, for me, I guess I can
speak to that. And you're opening the series on a
one night stand and a man who is so infatuated
Derek Shepherd played by Patrick Dempsey obviously so infatuated with
someone and the will they won't they? The sexual tension
(02:30):
was electric. I think the pilot episode and I stand
by this comment every time. It's one of the best
TV pilots of all time. What were your thoughts of it?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It roped me in straight away, and I mean, look,
this is the thing with this kind of show. It
is storylines obviously go around and around. I mean, how
many near death experiences can you have? But it still
is like very very watchable, very bingeable. And Shonda Rhimes
definitely knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, to the point where you can feel when she goes,
you can feel when she started private practice, and you
can feel when she steps off a show runner.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh, oh my god. So Gray's Anatomy. Let's start from
the beginning. So I'm pretty famous on the spill for
trying to explain plot lines of movies and TV shows
in the worst way possible because I don't know how
to explain a plot line. So I'm gonna give LB
when she's listening to this, she's gonna hate this, but
I'm going to try to explain Gray's anatomy. I'm just
(03:25):
gonna focus on the first episode from what I remember.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So we have Meredith Gray.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
She's in a bar hooking up with a real hotty, right,
and then they sleep together, and then she's like, hey, hoty,
you have to get out of my house because I'm
about to start a new job. It's really important. I
want to be a doctor and I'm interning at the
hospital next door and I'm gonna smash it, So get
out of my house, you random man.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
And he's like, no, I.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Can't want to date, and she's like, no, get out.
And then she gets to hospital. She's a bit late,
but not too late. She bumps into Well. Her and
Christina have friends before this.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, no, their friendship forming happens in the first episode,
but continue.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So then she meets all the other interns. They're all
like egotistical, they all want to be the best, especially Christina.
And then they meet the head surgeons of the hospital.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
And one of the head surgeons is a guy she's
just hooked up.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
With, and he's even hotter, even hotter in that dark
blue and they're wearing light blue.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And then I forgot the rest of the episode, but
I think that just set up, like, holy shit, do
you know what?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's actually pretty good lbs complaining about it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I would say, that's the crux of it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh my god, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
In a world of female leads, instead of egotistical, I
would call them ambitious. Ooh yeah, ambitious to get the
job done, to learn the skills and be the best.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But then you also have Alex, who's like.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Well, fun fact about Alex played by Justin Chambers, he
was never meant to be one of the core five.
He was only ever like sort of planted in this
first episode as someone who he calls Meredith a nurse,
which is very offensive to doctors, especially if they're training
to be surgeons and wanting to be taken seriously. But
(05:04):
because of the dynamic between them and because of how
lovable hateable he is, they built him into the show
to be one of the five interns.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
How long have you spent on IMDb looking at the
trivia fort grays and have.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You gone through every episode?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I think some of it's just by osmosis through the
years of like you learn bits and pieces. I probably
watched every I had the DVDs and I've watched every
behind the scenes things. Oh wow, at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I want to talk about after being like in the
Grey's Anatomy universe. What do you think is the most
underrated Gray's Anatomy moments. I feel like there's so much
out there that everyone's kind of a cross but haven't
actually dived deep into the series, or you watch certain episodes,
what do you feel didn't get the attention that it needed.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I have two answers to that, one like a serious
one and one a silly one. To start with the
silly one, I think Eric Dane, who plays McSteamy, his
entrance is one of the most iconic entrances. Like we
talk so much about Addison Montgomery Shepherd's entrance, but Eric
Dane rocking up and then McDreamy punching him out all
(06:10):
the well, Meredith's dealing with appendicitis is iconic.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
He's one of my favorite characters of all time. Yes,
like I have the biggest crush on him. Yes, Like
I was not a McDreamy.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I was all about Eric Day.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, you were a McSteamy.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I was all about McSteamy.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And then my serious answer is there's a scene it's
in season three where George's dad dies and there's something
beautiful that Shonda does, and she captures grief and death
in the most authentic way. George's dad dies. He goes
outside and Christina follows him, and she lost her dad
when she was nine years old. She welcomes him to
(06:49):
the grief club and said says, I'm sorry you had
to join, and he says, I don't know how to
live in a world where my dad doesn't and she goes, Yeah,
that never really goes away. And I think it's one
of the most beautiful moments, some of the most beautiful
writing on television that is not spoken about.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I feel like you could just keep talking.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I feel like we're going to have a n app
and you just keep going with this service.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
This is amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
What do you think the biggest moments of Gray's Anatomy
over the last twenty years. We've got some of the
real classics, But what do you think are the three
biggest moments.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's probably plane crash. We can go into each of them,
but it's probably plain crash.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Why does everyone have to die? Why can't they just
be like, hey, doctors move around. Everyone just be Christina
Yang and get a better job.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, they're in Switzerland or something.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Marre of the Gray, Oh my god, she's been through
a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
She's been through. She's got a lot of trauma. Yeah,
so yeah, plane crash, the bomb in the body, cavity,
and the gunman. I think of the three.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
See the fact that these three things happen in one
person's life is insane.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
In one hospital. In one hospital, that's where sick people
go to be here.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I know, Oh my god, Okay, I know we just
keep bombarding you with questions, but I need to talk
about this because I haven't answered my head. Your favorite,
there's the some time word.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Your favorite, depth, favorite in terms of get rid of
that character, or favorite in terms of well done creators.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Of the show, Well done creators of the show.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
If you say, Mark, I'm gonna be so upset.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
No, that was done poorly. That's my review. I should
say I've been in film and TV for almost fifteen years,
so I'm very judgy, so I'd like for me to
go this is impressive. It has to be impressive. So
I think I think it's double O seven.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh yeah, that was iconic, iconic.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So explain that death.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So George, what they do at the start of the episode.
They set it up like he is in surgery and
that he's going to join the army at the end
of the day, and everyone's mad about that. But at
the same time, this man comes in. He's been hit
by a bus. He's labeled a hero because he's pulled
this girl out of the way of the bus. And
they're working on him all day. And here's a John
Doe at this He's a John Doe. He's just a
(09:00):
John Doe. And this woman is sitting by his bedside.
No one knows who he is. The end of the episode,
it's John Doe and Meredith in the room and he's
trying to trace something onto the palm of her hand,
and she's trying to get a pen, trying to figure
it out. And then he traces two o's and a
seven and grabs her hand. And do you guys know
(09:21):
the significance of.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, double O seven licensed to kill? And he tried
to do an appendectomy? Was it an apidectimy that he
screwed up? And appendectomy is like the easiest thing in surgery.
I mean, like I could do it, that's how easy
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And then so she grabs his hand. This is some
of I think Ellen Pompeio's finest acting.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
She does this.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And then is running down the hallway shouting, it's George.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's Geors. What's your favorite debth?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I'm trying to think now who else was there? Who
did you not like?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Which characters didn't you like because I'm trying to think
of death, but I'm more thinking of people who have
left the show.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I didn't really like Callie Torro's very much. She always
really annoyed.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I loved her at the beginning, but then I think
they let her down in the what happens to her
character she moved to be with, so like, I know
exactly what happened. She moved to New York to be
with her partner Penny.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Oh yeah, and you didn't like that. You wanted her
to die?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
No, I didn't want her to die. I just didn't
love her character and it just felt I will say
that I did like her and Mark Sloan's relationship. I
liked that dynamic, that kind of like just like friends
with benefits kind of thing. I did enjoy that, But
then I think towards the end, I just was like,
this doesn't feel it just felt a bit light.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, they kind of pulled back on the nuance of
her character.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think yeah, and they were just like, oh, she's
the lesbian now and that's stuff. Yeah, And I was like,
but like, let's delve into that because that was interesting
when she kind of had a little bit more to it.
But then I feel like they just leant into this
other thing and they were like.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, they also made her a bit incompetent at a job,
and also she wasn't a great mother and they were
having relationship problems. And I love what you said about
Eric Dane about McSteamy and her friendship, because that is
a shonder thing that she does amazingly, is she creates
friendships so well, yeah, and that's a perfect segue.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
A perfect segue into the friendship that I feel like
every woman has either experienced or one to experience, is
a friendship between Christina Yang and Meredith Gray. And I
think Christina Yang leaving the show, Sandra O leaving the
show was like a huge heartbreak.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And actually it's interesting that Ellen Popeo was just on
the Call Her Daddy podcast and she was asked what
was the most emotional day on set and she said
it was Sandra's last day.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Which character's death hit you the hardest? Georgia Malley, which
scene was the most emotional to film.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
Sandra Oh's last day was really emotional for me.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Which Meredith gray line is most often quarterback to.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
You take me, choose me, love me.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Meredith begging Derek to choose her over his wife, Girl Bye.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Sandra doesn't really like to talk about Grey's anatomy anymore.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I can't figure it out that I don't know because
it was.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Like eleven years ago. She's like, I've done so much
more she did, like killing Eve, like she's her to
her is like home and away to Marga Robbie.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yes, yes, I think that's what it is. It's like
I've been in scenes with Leo. Stop asking me about
Summer Bay. Wait, wait, did you do neighbors?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Neighbors? So tell me about this friendship. Why do you
think it works so well?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I think they both saw each other and met each
other as humans and who they were individually, because so
was adults as well as adults, and they were. In
this first episode, basically, Meredith steals a surgery from her,
and Christina says, if you're going to be a snake,
just be a snack and tells her to like just
(13:02):
own her decision, and at the end she does own
her decision, and they have this beautiful moment of like,
do we have to do one of those things where
one of us apologizes? It's like no, So they both
just met each other. And when I see you, I
see you, And I think it's such a beautiful thing
when you do meet someone in your adult life who
just gets you and they're not going who you were,
(13:23):
They just see you as you are. And I think
it's magic.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And I think it would have been really easy for
them to be like these girls are pitied against each
other and they're going to be like work enemies, you know,
like they're the ones ye for jobs like that would
have been a really easy arc.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
For them to go on.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But the fact that they center this female relationship as
really as one of the key parts of the show.
I mean, yes, Patrick Temps and McDreamy is like, that
relationship is a key part of the entire show, but
at the center, at its core, it is Meredith a woman,
Sandro you know, Christina Yang. That friendship and that line
(14:01):
you are the son, you know, that is such a
nice grounding moment for the importance of the series.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I think I've completely and in the start of season
two when they say the iconic line to each other,
you're my person.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
I've lived here as much as I've survived here. It
just depends on how I look at it. I'm going
to choose to look at it that way and remember
you that way.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
Hope You're good bye, hollow h.
Speaker 10 (14:42):
W he you are my person, you will always be
my person, which.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Is just so beautiful because it's a line that's saved
for a romantic partner.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Correct. And what I love about the writing in this
is that they do keep this thread of you're my
person throughout the whole series, and even Owen, which is
Christina's partner at one point played by Kevin mckitt. He
says be my person to Christina when she goes Meredith's
my person, and I think women was like boom, you know,
(15:19):
but it's I think it's such a beautiful comment around
female friendship of yes, there's my romantic partner.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
But versus Derek, who understood it and brought Christina into
a relationship to his bed sometime he was.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Kicked out of the bed.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, do you know what you know something that I
do want to mention I was looking at all of
the characters in this show. There's been dozens and dozens
of people that have featured on this show from you know.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
One season guest or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
The two people that have been on that show from
day dot and are still on the show, Miranda Bailey
and Richard Webber. These guys must be rolling in it.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Oh my god, they're still there. They're still there.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
What are they doing now?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Well, they're not the bosses.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
They are like sidelin, like they start the bosses.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And then he stepped down for a bit and he
was an alcoholic for a while.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, he's resigned a bunch of times. Yea, he's had
near death experiences and resigned even though he's still the chief.
But he's not the chief. Yeah, he'll always be the chief.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh that scene where the episode where there was a
shooting and he went into the room and sat with
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, well he was like the he's the big boss.
Moves the captain on the Titanic who goes, I go
down with the ship. Yeah, this is my hospital.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
But I mean Chandro Wilson who plays Miranda Bailey and
James Pickens Junior, who plays Richard Webber. I mean, well
done to them that they are just cashing that check
every week for the last twenty one years. Most people
don't have a job the same job for twenty one years.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They're incredible, and they have such strong characters as well.
There's such strong writing and such strong foundations for them
that they can just keep going.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think it also anchors it. So obviously Meredith is
always very important to the show, but in terms of
an anchor character, in terms of what that hospital. Who
are the people that are really the idea of this hospital,
and it's those two. It's like they're the the anchor
that holds everything together. Because Miranda was what do they
(17:17):
call her the Nazi or yeah, they called her the
Nazi in the beginning because she was such a harders
and then Richard being like, you know, this big boss,
like it's almost like that kind of keeps things centered.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it'd be weird when he's not around, but it's
there's an interesting transition with the Chief Chief Web but
he's not the Chief, but again, he'll always be the Chief.
He becomes a comedic character somewhere halfway through.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
He's this hard ass.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And he's tough and he runs the residency program, but
then he teams a friendship with Arizona played by Jessica
Capshaw and which she was. That was a sad loss.
She didn't die, thank god, but when she left definitely
was disappointed.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
She did lose her legs.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
She did, and she had the phantom pain and no
one had to help her through that.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Calie because Kellie had to cut her leg off and that's.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Why they Yeah, no, I was always gonna says, Yeah,
Arizona and the Chief they start to have this like
funny friendship and you you're a comedic character. Now, yeah,
it's new.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I love it, love.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It, saying it's really interesting to me how you've just
stuck with it like Grays, because I feel like a
lot of us, like a lot of people have been
fans of Greys Anatomy, but at certain periods of their
life and then they've dropped off. Similar to how like
there was a part of your life where you'd watch
Home and Away, where you watch Neighbors, and then eventually
you just stop and you've stuck to it. Why haven't
(18:36):
you had a dropping off point? Like what is it
with Grey's Anatomy? And I'm sure there's so many other
people out there because the show's still going on, so
people are still watching it. That just keeps you sticking
with it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think you have to acknowledge it's changed, Like even
if you're a super fan, which i am, it's changed
and it's not what it used to be. Of course,
when it came out it was premium drama.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It was it's fresh.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, it was fresh, and money was thrown at, big
storylines and lots of guesties, like and the guesties that
they've had over the years. There's a significant amount of
famous people who have been guests.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And it has.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Changed, and Shonder's focus has shifted, Like around season four
she goes in starts developing private practice, and then she
goes into other things. So around I think season seven,
season eight, it starts to change a bit. And then
at the end of season thirteen, which is the big
fire episode, that's when she steps off as showrunner. Fire episode, Yes, yeah,
(19:35):
the building's on fire and Stephanie, the intern. Stephanie is
like trying to get this child out of the building.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I know what happens, what happens? Does she get out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
She gets as a great episode Stephanie is also a loss.
Like her character is incredible, but then Shonder steps off.
So I think after that it does go from premium
drama to soap. Yes, both of them are relevant forms
of television, but the show is different. But I think
it's discomfort watching. That's where it becomes comfort.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And it's that rewatching because knowing what to expect and
just able to revisit that over and over again. Who
is your favorite character? Like fringe character, fringe character, like underrated?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Oh, that's such a good question. So many of them.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'm actually looking at the Wikipedia right now with all
the characters.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
If you need a reminder, No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm just like, she's got her head. I think steph Yeah,
played by Jerka Hinton. She's she's a completely underrated and
should have stayed.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Do you have someone Okay, do you want to do
you want to have a look at the Wikipedia? Well,
it just might be an unpopular opinion, but I loved Burke. Yeah,
it's so unpopular because but it's.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
A shame because he bought something really different to the show.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I just liked how kind of mean he was and like, yeah,
which I mean the real guy's pretty mean as well. Yeah,
But I think it's just wild to me that this
show has so many controversies around with the actors, especially
the male actors who've been in it, and characters that
everyone's loved, like Burke and Doctor Shepherd, Patrick Dempsey, like
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they all were able to just vanish and the show
just didn't get harmed by it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I think the show was more harmed by Sandra O's
exit than it was by Patrick Dempsey.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And I also think it was really harmed by Catherine Hagel, Yeah,
because I.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Think there was like, she's so unlikable.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But I think there was all these men who actually
did horrible things versus a woman who was just so
passionate about her art that she was just like, I
don't think this role deserved an Emmy. And she's been
completely ostracized, not just from the show but for the
entire industry for years. It's only now that like now
she's done her sit down with all Pompeo that it's
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like they're suddenly like on her side again, because it's
like good to listen to women again.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, because she was just like, I had boundaries, what's
wrong with that?
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And everyone went, hey, oh I've got nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, that's that's that's actually reasonable.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Love that ye. Anyway, that's my two cents.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You didn't like Catherine Heigel or Isy this is the question.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
She was like, I guess the first experience with death
in the show, right, Yeah, but I guy that she
kind of married Dyke.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Now I'm trying to figure out whether it's the person
or the character that I didn't like.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Maybe you're right. Maybe I was just infected by the
discourse around how horrible this woman was for putting up boundaries.
Maybe I have some internalized misogyny. Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And that's what grace Anadamy does. It just breaks down
barriers and all parts of our lives.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Holds a mirror to society. Thank you, Shonda.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I really want to just mention Amelia Sheppard because I
love her so much.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
She's my last.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Oh my god, really is.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
The whole Like she comes from private practice, she's got
this like addiction issue, and then she's like a really
good surgeon.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Then she's a b I think she's funny. I really
like her.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Okay her in private practice.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Love yeah, oh so she started on private practice I
Love and then Game to Grace when Derek died and
it was all this big thing because Mary didn't call
any of Derek's family when he was about to die. Yeah,
yeah she So did they start off as enemies this tension?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So my issue with Amelia Shepherd is when you pair
her against Owen, you realize Sandra was lifting Kevin McKidd.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Wait, why are we pairing her against her?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay? So Christina Yang and Owen were in a relationship
and she is a phenomenal actor. She's obviously gone and
done an amazing things, and their scenes were so passionate,
but you realize it's like when you have when you
play tennis, if you verse someone who's really good, you're
going to be better because you're trying to Like, you're
going to lose still, but you're going to play a
better game.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
When you partner Owen with Amelia, their scenes were it's
so dramatic. I was like, why are they just yelling
at each other? There was no nuance to the scene. Again,
I'm very judgy. I struggled because you're an actor.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Was talking about it.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I appreciate that. I think her as a character I
really enjoy, don't have a character great storylines, Owen, I
think I think you're one hundred percent who hang on
a second. Owen singing in that musical episode is the
most cringe thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The music episode the most famously what was it the
big most unliked episode?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, Shonda rewords this as.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
The worst rated episode in television history.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Can I say that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Shonda rebrands this? She says it's her most talked about episode.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Oh, I love She's amazing. It's true a marketing genius.
So something that I think is quite pertinent the way
that we're talking about Shonda. She said something in an
interview recently which really stuck with me, and it's something
that I've always looked on someone's interviewing her and talking
about like motherhood and you know that work life balance,
and she goes, there is no balance. When I'm at work,
(25:19):
I'm missing something with my kids. When I'm with my kids,
I'm missing something at work. Something has to be sacrificed,
no matter which side you're on, and you just have
to figure out which one is more important in that moment.
And honestly, that has like hit me in such a
spot because I'm like, that is so true, because you
can give you're all in writing this series, but maybe
(25:42):
you're missing a dance recital or something. I know this
isn't completely like relevant, but I just like your love
of Shonda Rhimes.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I thought that you might enjoy that I do.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
And Grace that's going to be used. Grace is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm anyone who doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That was also why I said it, but then I
didn't want to like mention it in case of like
announced publicly.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I don't care what I love about that is. Ellen
Pompeo says this. She speaks to this in the Call
of Daddy interview this week, and she goes, shonder is
the person when you tell her that you're pregnant. She's like,
get confetti, get balloons. This is so wonderful. But then
she goes, how do we make sure that you're comfortable?
And how do we make sure you get to work?
And how do we make sure you can come back
(26:21):
from work? Yeah, and she sees the woman as not
just you're having a baby. Okay, well now we've got
to fix that problem. She's like, Okay, your life is
about to change. How do we integrate that into your work,
because that's obviously so important to you. And I think
this beautiful, holistic approach to a person in their career
is she's this is one that she's the queen, she's
(26:41):
wonderful and yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But I think acknowledging that on this is just a
slightly deeper level acknowledging that you don't have to be
as high powered business woman an amazing mother at all times.
Something is going to suffer at some point. Understanding that
it is a give and take doesn't mean you can't
be successful in both, but it does mean that being
aware that there are sacrifices. And even someone like Shonda Rhimes,
(27:06):
who is one of the most successful TV show creators,
bridgeton graising out at me, like incredibly successful, even admits
that at times she's dropped the ball in motherhood or
dropped the ball as a showrunner.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You're not built up two hundred percent, like you can't yeah,
you can't give it to everything.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But I loved that.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, sorry, I know that was so loved, Like it
just feels it feels pertinent, especially in this office, in
this company. You know, it's that is so the Mama
me away, you know of it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
On the flip side, she also teaches us to live
that year of yes and to say yes to opportunities.
But she's not just about career work, work work. She's like,
in your personal life as well, what are the yeses
you can do? And if the yes is Holly wayIn
Wright says it as well. I think that was her
word of the year, m out loud host you will
correct me? Is you can say yes to no?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That's so true. And I think that sentiment of her
comes out in her characters, especially Christina Yang, like, I
feel like everything that Shonda Rhymes has said in interviews
and stuff, I picture Christina Yang also saying, and I
think that was for me. When Cosina Yang left the show,
it just felt like a whole loss of an identity
of a woman that's been built up by so many
(28:16):
other women in.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
The real world, especially because Meredith was the original pick
me girl, you know, oh, the pic me girl.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
I lied, I'm not out of this relationship. I'm in.
I'm so in. It's humiliating because here I am beggang
shut up, you say, Meredith, and I yell, remember okay,
here it is your choice. It's simple her or me,
(28:45):
And I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
She's really great. But Derek, I love you in a
really really big pretend to like your taste in music.
Let you eat the last piece of cheesecake, hold a
radio over my head outside your window. Unfortunate way that
makes me hate you, love you. So pick me, choose me,
(29:11):
love me.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Love me.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
That's such a good voice. So I have a thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I have a fact on this that Ellen Pompeo hated
the line. Hated the line from Data from Day Dot
and Shonda knew that she hated it. But when this
is going to go off, this will be a moment.
So they had that conversation of Ellen as a woman
was like, I would never beg someone to leave their
wife ever, But for the greater good of the show,
(29:38):
this is going to go off. And Ellen says it's
the most quoted line to her of all My.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
God, imagine being quoted the line that you absolutely despised
to you all the time. But the Picmic Girl came
years after, like a whole generation after that episode aired,
so it feels like it has this whole new light.
And I think when that episode first aired, it was like,
oh my God with the whole Macdreamy mc steem me.
Everyone was like, oh my god, I would love to
(30:04):
be Merethon Gray, Like she's in the best position. She's
got this hot doctor who's super rich, who's left his
wife for her, Like what a dream and now she
has the best boyfriend ever. And I think the next
generation when they took that pick me angle, they've changed
it to be like why would you want to be
that woman? And I think that's what she's getting on
board with.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, some shows don't age well. This is not a
situation where the show hasn't aged well where you watch
Friends or you watch Scrubs and you go, oh that's bad.
You do watch it and go, oh, we've learnt to
not be gas lip like Derek is. Derek is a
gas ladder. Yeah, it's complex situations.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Mark is like honest about it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
He's like he's a bit of an asshole, but where
like he's not trying, he's not trying not to be.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But Derek was like, I'll just make out with both
of them and then like what, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I really, I really really like Mark Mark's lane all right, have.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I made that Claire?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I did think like, I know you guys were ragging
on his death, but I thought, like that death to
me the whole, like where he gets that wind before
you die, like and the search like I haven't had
like Touchwood, I haven't had that much experience with death
around me. But the experience I have had has had
that search, and that episode taught me how to deal
(31:22):
with that, like how to not be super excited when
that happens with a loved one.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Wow, I had no idea that it was an actual
thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's an actual yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Seanda, she's teaching us, so she's helping us here.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
To friendship death.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
But I do want to ask if so your favorite
hotness meter you're at mxtainy. I think am. I think
you and I have the same one of the person
we're most attracted to.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I'm scared to say mine. If you say someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Can I say my runner up and you tell me
if it's this person? Yeah, you're first Jackson Ara, Yeah, Yeah,
he's the top.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Yeah, he's the top, he's the top.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
My second runner eyes, my runner up is Owen.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
It's the okay, you.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Know what, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And he's come from a haunted part.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
But do you know what? I think Shonda Rhimes casts
people based on back muscles, and we should thank her
for that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
But you've got to hold up something well.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
When you think, have you watched How to Get Away
with Murder?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, yeah, Nately, Nately?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Oh yeah, just film that man from the back?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Oh, I'm so glad that Jackson Avery is up there
with you guys.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Is he's still in the show?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Not?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
No, he's gone now, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
He had a weird ending.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I liked him when he first started and those eyes
like he could read me.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
The fun but it would be interested.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
If we talk about bad endings. We've got to talk
about Alex's career.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
What happened there?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I don't know drama behind that?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Did I die?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I forget?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
He didn't die, He just let like is he right? Yeah?
He left to go be with Easy, but he leaves
as a voiceover letter? Did they run out of me?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Like?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Could they not pay him to come back for one episode?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah? That was weird.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You're right, that was terrible.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And what's he doing now?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Nothing?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I'd think he's just in an episode mini series, some
little bits and pieces, I'm sure he's got some good Grace.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Money though, final final, will they.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Show over end?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think do you have a prediction and do you
have a prediction on how it will end with a
voice over with a voice over all of them?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh, I mean maybe, because they do try to be
a bit political and a bit poignant. Sometimes it could
be about the American health system and losing money in
the hospital shuts down.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Maybe, and then they get all the actors have ever
worked on the show to come back to try to
save it. It doesn't work out, so they all say one
bigger bite.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, I think it might. They might try and do
it like a neighbor's goodbye, like where they get as
many people like Shonda might.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, they'll get.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sandra just comes from the ceiling like an angel, come
in for one big surgery that requires like fifty people,
and then it's done.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Oh that's so funny. Well, thank you so much, Grace
for joining us.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
I feel like this is a really fun.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
We're also sitting on couches, so we're just like.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Lying back honestly, like we have to wrap up, but
I don't want to. I've been having so much fun
and I love also just like getting really serious and
like delving into it, like it's some kind of it
is literacy.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
What do we like a literary It's an analysis.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's an analysis of the cultural impact of Shonda Rhimes
and the shows that she's made.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Thy Doctor, Doctor Grace. Thank you very much, thank.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You, thank you so much for listening to This Bill
today and this Bally honest review. We do a lot
of these really honest reviews. We will link a bunch
in our show notes. My favorite one we've still done
was a briallyview of Gladiator Too. That's my personal favorite.
If you love this episode, please follow us on Instagram
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and we will see you at three pm on Monday.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Bye bye.
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from MoMA Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fixed.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm m Burnham and I'm kussemue Lukitch.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm back.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're back and look LB's not here today, so we've
got a bit row.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
There's a guest in our studio, Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
In our studio. Can you introduce yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Hello, I'm Grace Ruthy. I'm one of the producers and
hosts you at Muma Mia, and I'm very excited to
be here on the Spill talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's just like one level down from Ellen Pompeo's great.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That's what people say.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
In this offer. Grace is the resident expert.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
On all things Shonder.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I love Shonder.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, so it's not just Gray as you go.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'm a bridget the resident. Yeah, I've watched it on
the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh okay, so you're a Shonda expert.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I am an actual Shonder expert.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
WHOA This could be like your hard quiz, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, this is my high quiz. It's like it's embarrassing
how much of my life I've wasted watching and rewatching
Shonda things.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well it's all built out to this moment because you
actually pitched this.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Episode to us months ago. I knew that the twentieth
anniversary of Grey's Anatomy was coming up, and I saw
it was this week.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So without LB here, because we didn't consult her, we
took the reins. We decided to do a brutally honest
review on Grey's Anatomy, the entire series that's still going.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's twenty years.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
So it started in two thousand and five.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yes, so you were just born, weren't you.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I would have been like, I want to say eleven.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, that's just my jealousy poking true. I mean I
was fifteen, Yeah, I say, and I think we're the same.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, and I think it how it captivated the fifteen
year old brain is that we were just cognizant enough
of male attention. Well, for me, I guess I can
speak to that. And you're opening the series on a
one night stand and a man who is so infatuated
Derek Shepherd played by Patrick Dempsey obviously so infatuated with
someone and the will they won't they? The sexual tension
(02:30):
was electric. I think the pilot episode and I stand
by this comment every time. It's one of the best
TV pilots of all time. What were your thoughts of it?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It roped me in straight away, and I mean, look,
this is the thing with this kind of show. It
is storylines obviously go around and around. I mean, how
many near death experiences can you have? But it still
is like very very watchable, very bingeable. And Shonda Rhimes
definitely knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, to the point where you can feel when she goes,
you can feel when she started private practice, and you
can feel when she steps off a show runner.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh, oh my god. So Gray's Anatomy. Let's start from
the beginning. So I'm pretty famous on the spill for
trying to explain plot lines of movies and TV shows
in the worst way possible because I don't know how
to explain a plot line. So I'm gonna give LB
when she's listening to this, she's gonna hate this, but
I'm going to try to explain Gray's anatomy. I'm just
(03:25):
gonna focus on the first episode from what I remember.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So we have Meredith Gray.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
She's in a bar hooking up with a real hotty, right,
and then they sleep together, and then she's like, hey, hoty,
you have to get out of my house because I'm
about to start a new job. It's really important. I
want to be a doctor and I'm interning at the
hospital next door and I'm gonna smash it, So get
out of my house, you random man.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
And he's like, no, I.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Can't want to date, and she's like, no, get out.
And then she gets to hospital. She's a bit late,
but not too late. She bumps into Well. Her and
Christina have friends before this.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, no, their friendship forming happens in the first episode,
but continue.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So then she meets all the other interns. They're all
like egotistical, they all want to be the best, especially Christina.
And then they meet the head surgeons of the hospital.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
And one of the head surgeons is a guy she's
just hooked up.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
With, and he's even hotter, even hotter in that dark
blue and they're wearing light blue.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And then I forgot the rest of the episode, but
I think that just set up, like, holy shit, do
you know what?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's actually pretty good lbs complaining about it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I would say, that's the crux of it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh my god, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
In a world of female leads, instead of egotistical, I
would call them ambitious. Ooh yeah, ambitious to get the
job done, to learn the skills and be the best.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But then you also have Alex, who's like.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Well, fun fact about Alex played by Justin Chambers, he
was never meant to be one of the core five.
He was only ever like sort of planted in this
first episode as someone who he calls Meredith a nurse,
which is very offensive to doctors, especially if they're training
to be surgeons and wanting to be taken seriously. But
(05:04):
because of the dynamic between them and because of how
lovable hateable he is, they built him into the show
to be one of the five interns.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
How long have you spent on IMDb looking at the
trivia fort grays and have.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You gone through every episode?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I think some of it's just by osmosis through the
years of like you learn bits and pieces. I probably
watched every I had the DVDs and I've watched every
behind the scenes things. Oh wow, at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I want to talk about after being like in the
Grey's Anatomy universe. What do you think is the most
underrated Gray's Anatomy moments. I feel like there's so much
out there that everyone's kind of a cross but haven't
actually dived deep into the series, or you watch certain episodes,
what do you feel didn't get the attention that it needed.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I have two answers to that, one like a serious
one and one a silly one. To start with the
silly one, I think Eric Dane, who plays McSteamy, his
entrance is one of the most iconic entrances. Like we
talk so much about Addison Montgomery Shepherd's entrance, but Eric
Dane rocking up and then McDreamy punching him out all
(06:10):
the well, Meredith's dealing with appendicitis is iconic.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
He's one of my favorite characters of all time. Yes,
like I have the biggest crush on him. Yes, Like
I was not a McDreamy.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I was all about Eric Day.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, you were a McSteamy.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I was all about McSteamy.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And then my serious answer is there's a scene it's
in season three where George's dad dies and there's something
beautiful that Shonda does, and she captures grief and death
in the most authentic way. George's dad dies. He goes
outside and Christina follows him, and she lost her dad
when she was nine years old. She welcomes him to
(06:49):
the grief club and said says, I'm sorry you had
to join, and he says, I don't know how to
live in a world where my dad doesn't and she goes, Yeah,
that never really goes away. And I think it's one
of the most beautiful moments, some of the most beautiful
writing on television that is not spoken about.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I feel like you could just keep talking.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I feel like we're going to have a n app
and you just keep going with this service.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
This is amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
What do you think the biggest moments of Gray's Anatomy
over the last twenty years. We've got some of the
real classics, But what do you think are the three
biggest moments.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's probably plane crash. We can go into each of them,
but it's probably plain crash.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Why does everyone have to die? Why can't they just
be like, hey, doctors move around. Everyone just be Christina
Yang and get a better job.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, they're in Switzerland or something.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Marre of the Gray, Oh my god, she's been through
a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
She's been through. She's got a lot of trauma. Yeah,
so yeah, plane crash, the bomb in the body, cavity,
and the gunman. I think of the three.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
See the fact that these three things happen in one
person's life is insane.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
In one hospital. In one hospital, that's where sick people
go to be here.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I know, Oh my god, Okay, I know we just
keep bombarding you with questions, but I need to talk
about this because I haven't answered my head. Your favorite,
there's the some time word.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Your favorite, depth, favorite in terms of get rid of
that character, or favorite in terms of well done creators.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Of the show, Well done creators of the show.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
If you say, Mark, I'm gonna be so upset.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
No, that was done poorly. That's my review. I should
say I've been in film and TV for almost fifteen years,
so I'm very judgy, so I'd like for me to
go this is impressive. It has to be impressive. So
I think I think it's double O seven.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh yeah, that was iconic, iconic.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So explain that death.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So George, what they do at the start of the episode.
They set it up like he is in surgery and
that he's going to join the army at the end
of the day, and everyone's mad about that. But at
the same time, this man comes in. He's been hit
by a bus. He's labeled a hero because he's pulled
this girl out of the way of the bus. And
they're working on him all day. And here's a John
Doe at this He's a John Doe. He's just a
(09:00):
John Doe. And this woman is sitting by his bedside.
No one knows who he is. The end of the episode,
it's John Doe and Meredith in the room and he's
trying to trace something onto the palm of her hand,
and she's trying to get a pen, trying to figure
it out. And then he traces two o's and a
seven and grabs her hand. And do you guys know
(09:21):
the significance of.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, double O seven licensed to kill? And he tried
to do an appendectomy? Was it an apidectimy that he
screwed up? And appendectomy is like the easiest thing in surgery.
I mean, like I could do it, that's how easy
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And then so she grabs his hand. This is some
of I think Ellen Pompeio's finest acting.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
She does this.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And then is running down the hallway shouting, it's George.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's Geors. What's your favorite debth?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I'm trying to think now who else was there? Who
did you not like?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Which characters didn't you like because I'm trying to think
of death, but I'm more thinking of people who have
left the show.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I didn't really like Callie Torro's very much. She always
really annoyed.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I loved her at the beginning, but then I think
they let her down in the what happens to her
character she moved to be with, so like, I know
exactly what happened. She moved to New York to be
with her partner Penny.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Oh yeah, and you didn't like that. You wanted her
to die?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
No, I didn't want her to die. I just didn't
love her character and it just felt I will say
that I did like her and Mark Sloan's relationship. I
liked that dynamic, that kind of like just like friends
with benefits kind of thing. I did enjoy that, But
then I think towards the end, I just was like,
this doesn't feel it just felt a bit light.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, they kind of pulled back on the nuance of
her character.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think yeah, and they were just like, oh, she's
the lesbian now and that's stuff. Yeah, And I was like,
but like, let's delve into that because that was interesting
when she kind of had a little bit more to it.
But then I feel like they just leant into this
other thing and they were like.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, they also made her a bit incompetent at a job,
and also she wasn't a great mother and they were
having relationship problems. And I love what you said about
Eric Dane about McSteamy and her friendship, because that is
a shonder thing that she does amazingly, is she creates
friendships so well, yeah, and that's a perfect segue.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
A perfect segue into the friendship that I feel like
every woman has either experienced or one to experience, is
a friendship between Christina Yang and Meredith Gray. And I
think Christina Yang leaving the show, Sandra O leaving the
show was like a huge heartbreak.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And actually it's interesting that Ellen Popeo was just on
the Call Her Daddy podcast and she was asked what
was the most emotional day on set and she said
it was Sandra's last day.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Which character's death hit you the hardest? Georgia Malley, which
scene was the most emotional to film.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
Sandra Oh's last day was really emotional for me.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Which Meredith gray line is most often quarterback to.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
You take me, choose me, love me.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Meredith begging Derek to choose her over his wife, Girl Bye.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Sandra doesn't really like to talk about Grey's anatomy anymore.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I can't figure it out that I don't know because
it was.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Like eleven years ago. She's like, I've done so much
more she did, like killing Eve, like she's her to
her is like home and away to Marga Robbie.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yes, yes, I think that's what it is. It's like
I've been in scenes with Leo. Stop asking me about
Summer Bay. Wait, wait, did you do neighbors?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Neighbors? So tell me about this friendship. Why do you
think it works so well?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I think they both saw each other and met each
other as humans and who they were individually, because so
was adults as well as adults, and they were. In
this first episode, basically, Meredith steals a surgery from her,
and Christina says, if you're going to be a snake,
just be a snack and tells her to like just
(13:02):
own her decision, and at the end she does own
her decision, and they have this beautiful moment of like,
do we have to do one of those things where
one of us apologizes? It's like no, So they both
just met each other. And when I see you, I
see you, And I think it's such a beautiful thing
when you do meet someone in your adult life who
just gets you and they're not going who you were,
(13:23):
They just see you as you are. And I think
it's magic.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And I think it would have been really easy for
them to be like these girls are pitied against each
other and they're going to be like work enemies, you know,
like they're the ones ye for jobs like that would
have been a really easy arc.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
For them to go on.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But the fact that they center this female relationship as
really as one of the key parts of the show.
I mean, yes, Patrick Temps and McDreamy is like, that
relationship is a key part of the entire show, but
at the center, at its core, it is Meredith a woman,
Sandro you know, Christina Yang. That friendship and that line
(14:01):
you are the son, you know, that is such a
nice grounding moment for the importance of the series.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I think I've completely and in the start of season
two when they say the iconic line to each other,
you're my person.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
I've lived here as much as I've survived here. It
just depends on how I look at it. I'm going
to choose to look at it that way and remember
you that way.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
Hope You're good bye, hollow h.
Speaker 10 (14:42):
W he you are my person, you will always be
my person, which.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Is just so beautiful because it's a line that's saved
for a romantic partner.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Correct. And what I love about the writing in this
is that they do keep this thread of you're my
person throughout the whole series, and even Owen, which is
Christina's partner at one point played by Kevin mckitt. He
says be my person to Christina when she goes Meredith's
my person, and I think women was like boom, you know,
(15:19):
but it's I think it's such a beautiful comment around
female friendship of yes, there's my romantic partner.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
But versus Derek, who understood it and brought Christina into
a relationship to his bed sometime he was.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Kicked out of the bed.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, do you know what you know something that I
do want to mention I was looking at all of
the characters in this show. There's been dozens and dozens
of people that have featured on this show from you know.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
One season guest or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
The two people that have been on that show from
day dot and are still on the show, Miranda Bailey
and Richard Webber. These guys must be rolling in it.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Oh my god, they're still there. They're still there.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
What are they doing now?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Well, they're not the bosses.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
They are like sidelin, like they start the bosses.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And then he stepped down for a bit and he
was an alcoholic for a while.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, he's resigned a bunch of times. Yea, he's had
near death experiences and resigned even though he's still the chief.
But he's not the chief. Yeah, he'll always be the chief.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh that scene where the episode where there was a
shooting and he went into the room and sat with
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, well he was like the he's the big boss.
Moves the captain on the Titanic who goes, I go
down with the ship. Yeah, this is my hospital.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
But I mean Chandro Wilson who plays Miranda Bailey and
James Pickens Junior, who plays Richard Webber. I mean, well
done to them that they are just cashing that check
every week for the last twenty one years. Most people
don't have a job the same job for twenty one years.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They're incredible, and they have such strong characters as well.
There's such strong writing and such strong foundations for them
that they can just keep going.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think it also anchors it. So obviously Meredith is
always very important to the show, but in terms of
an anchor character, in terms of what that hospital. Who
are the people that are really the idea of this hospital,
and it's those two. It's like they're the the anchor
that holds everything together. Because Miranda was what do they
(17:17):
call her the Nazi or yeah, they called her the
Nazi in the beginning because she was such a harders
and then Richard being like, you know, this big boss,
like it's almost like that kind of keeps things centered.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it'd be weird when he's not around, but it's
there's an interesting transition with the Chief Chief Web but
he's not the Chief, but again, he'll always be the Chief.
He becomes a comedic character somewhere halfway through.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
He's this hard ass.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And he's tough and he runs the residency program, but
then he teams a friendship with Arizona played by Jessica
Capshaw and which she was. That was a sad loss.
She didn't die, thank god, but when she left definitely
was disappointed.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
She did lose her legs.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
She did, and she had the phantom pain and no
one had to help her through that.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Calie because Kellie had to cut her leg off and that's.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Why they Yeah, no, I was always gonna says, Yeah,
Arizona and the Chief they start to have this like
funny friendship and you you're a comedic character. Now, yeah,
it's new.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I love it, love.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It, saying it's really interesting to me how you've just
stuck with it like Grays, because I feel like a
lot of us, like a lot of people have been
fans of Greys Anatomy, but at certain periods of their
life and then they've dropped off. Similar to how like
there was a part of your life where you'd watch
Home and Away, where you watch Neighbors, and then eventually
you just stop and you've stuck to it. Why haven't
(18:36):
you had a dropping off point? Like what is it
with Grey's Anatomy? And I'm sure there's so many other
people out there because the show's still going on, so
people are still watching it. That just keeps you sticking
with it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think you have to acknowledge it's changed, Like even
if you're a super fan, which i am, it's changed
and it's not what it used to be. Of course,
when it came out it was premium drama.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It was it's fresh.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, it was fresh, and money was thrown at, big
storylines and lots of guesties, like and the guesties that
they've had over the years. There's a significant amount of
famous people who have been guests.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And it has.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Changed, and Shonder's focus has shifted, Like around season four
she goes in starts developing private practice, and then she
goes into other things. So around I think season seven,
season eight, it starts to change a bit. And then
at the end of season thirteen, which is the big
fire episode, that's when she steps off as showrunner. Fire episode, Yes, yeah,
(19:35):
the building's on fire and Stephanie, the intern. Stephanie is
like trying to get this child out of the building.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I know what happens, what happens? Does she get out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
She gets as a great episode Stephanie is also a loss.
Like her character is incredible, but then Shonder steps off.
So I think after that it does go from premium
drama to soap. Yes, both of them are relevant forms
of television, but the show is different. But I think
it's discomfort watching. That's where it becomes comfort.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And it's that rewatching because knowing what to expect and
just able to revisit that over and over again. Who
is your favorite character? Like fringe character, fringe character, like underrated?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Oh, that's such a good question. So many of them.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'm actually looking at the Wikipedia right now with all
the characters.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
If you need a reminder, No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm just like, she's got her head. I think steph Yeah,
played by Jerka Hinton. She's she's a completely underrated and
should have stayed.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Do you have someone Okay, do you want to do
you want to have a look at the Wikipedia? Well,
it just might be an unpopular opinion, but I loved Burke. Yeah,
it's so unpopular because but it's.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
A shame because he bought something really different to the show.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I just liked how kind of mean he was and like, yeah,
which I mean the real guy's pretty mean as well. Yeah,
But I think it's just wild to me that this
show has so many controversies around with the actors, especially
the male actors who've been in it, and characters that
everyone's loved, like Burke and Doctor Shepherd, Patrick Dempsey, like
(21:21):
they all were able to just vanish and the show
just didn't get harmed by it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I think the show was more harmed by Sandra O's
exit than it was by Patrick Dempsey.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And I also think it was really harmed by Catherine Hagel, Yeah,
because I.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Think there was like, she's so unlikable.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But I think there was all these men who actually
did horrible things versus a woman who was just so
passionate about her art that she was just like, I
don't think this role deserved an Emmy. And she's been
completely ostracized, not just from the show but for the
entire industry for years. It's only now that like now
she's done her sit down with all Pompeo that it's
(22:06):
like they're suddenly like on her side again, because it's
like good to listen to women again.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, because she was just like, I had boundaries, what's
wrong with that?
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And everyone went, hey, oh I've got nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, that's that's that's actually reasonable.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Love that ye. Anyway, that's my two cents.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You didn't like Catherine Heigel or Isy this is the question.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
She was like, I guess the first experience with death
in the show, right, Yeah, but I guy that she
kind of married Dyke.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Now I'm trying to figure out whether it's the person
or the character that I didn't like.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Maybe you're right. Maybe I was just infected by the
discourse around how horrible this woman was for putting up boundaries.
Maybe I have some internalized misogyny. Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And that's what grace Anadamy does. It just breaks down
barriers and all parts of our lives.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Holds a mirror to society. Thank you, Shonda.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I really want to just mention Amelia Sheppard because I
love her so much.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
She's my last.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Oh my god, really is.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
The whole Like she comes from private practice, she's got
this like addiction issue, and then she's like a really
good surgeon.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Then she's a b I think she's funny. I really
like her.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Okay her in private practice.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Love yeah, oh so she started on private practice I
Love and then Game to Grace when Derek died and
it was all this big thing because Mary didn't call
any of Derek's family when he was about to die. Yeah,
yeah she So did they start off as enemies this tension?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So my issue with Amelia Shepherd is when you pair
her against Owen, you realize Sandra was lifting Kevin McKidd.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Wait, why are we pairing her against her?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay? So Christina Yang and Owen were in a relationship
and she is a phenomenal actor. She's obviously gone and
done an amazing things, and their scenes were so passionate,
but you realize it's like when you have when you
play tennis, if you verse someone who's really good, you're
going to be better because you're trying to Like, you're
going to lose still, but you're going to play a
better game.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
When you partner Owen with Amelia, their scenes were it's
so dramatic. I was like, why are they just yelling
at each other? There was no nuance to the scene. Again,
I'm very judgy. I struggled because you're an actor.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Was talking about it.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I appreciate that. I think her as a character I
really enjoy, don't have a character great storylines, Owen, I
think I think you're one hundred percent who hang on
a second. Owen singing in that musical episode is the
most cringe thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The music episode the most famously what was it the
big most unliked episode?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, Shonda rewords this as.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
The worst rated episode in television history.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Can I say that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Shonda rebrands this? She says it's her most talked about episode.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Oh, I love She's amazing. It's true a marketing genius.
So something that I think is quite pertinent the way
that we're talking about Shonda. She said something in an
interview recently which really stuck with me, and it's something
that I've always looked on someone's interviewing her and talking
about like motherhood and you know that work life balance,
and she goes, there is no balance. When I'm at work,
(25:19):
I'm missing something with my kids. When I'm with my kids,
I'm missing something at work. Something has to be sacrificed,
no matter which side you're on, and you just have
to figure out which one is more important in that moment.
And honestly, that has like hit me in such a
spot because I'm like, that is so true, because you
can give you're all in writing this series, but maybe
(25:42):
you're missing a dance recital or something. I know this
isn't completely like relevant, but I just like your love
of Shonda Rhimes.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I thought that you might enjoy that I do.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
And Grace that's going to be used. Grace is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm anyone who doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That was also why I said it, but then I
didn't want to like mention it in case of like
announced publicly.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I don't care what I love about that is. Ellen
Pompeo says this. She speaks to this in the Call
of Daddy interview this week, and she goes, shonder is
the person when you tell her that you're pregnant. She's like,
get confetti, get balloons. This is so wonderful. But then
she goes, how do we make sure that you're comfortable?
And how do we make sure you get to work?
And how do we make sure you can come back
(26:21):
from work? Yeah, and she sees the woman as not
just you're having a baby. Okay, well now we've got
to fix that problem. She's like, Okay, your life is
about to change. How do we integrate that into your work,
because that's obviously so important to you. And I think
this beautiful, holistic approach to a person in their career
is she's this is one that she's the queen, she's
(26:41):
wonderful and yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But I think acknowledging that on this is just a
slightly deeper level acknowledging that you don't have to be
as high powered business woman an amazing mother at all times.
Something is going to suffer at some point. Understanding that
it is a give and take doesn't mean you can't
be successful in both, but it does mean that being
aware that there are sacrifices. And even someone like Shonda Rhimes,
(27:06):
who is one of the most successful TV show creators,
bridgeton graising out at me, like incredibly successful, even admits
that at times she's dropped the ball in motherhood or
dropped the ball as a showrunner.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You're not built up two hundred percent, like you can't yeah,
you can't give it to everything.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But I loved that.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, sorry, I know that was so loved, Like it
just feels it feels pertinent, especially in this office, in
this company. You know, it's that is so the Mama
me away, you know of it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
On the flip side, she also teaches us to live
that year of yes and to say yes to opportunities.
But she's not just about career work, work work. She's like,
in your personal life as well, what are the yeses
you can do? And if the yes is Holly wayIn
Wright says it as well. I think that was her
word of the year, m out loud host you will
correct me? Is you can say yes to no?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That's so true. And I think that sentiment of her
comes out in her characters, especially Christina Yang, like, I
feel like everything that Shonda Rhymes has said in interviews
and stuff, I picture Christina Yang also saying, and I
think that was for me. When Cosina Yang left the show,
it just felt like a whole loss of an identity
of a woman that's been built up by so many
(28:16):
other women in.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
The real world, especially because Meredith was the original pick
me girl, you know, oh, the pic me girl.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
I lied, I'm not out of this relationship. I'm in.
I'm so in. It's humiliating because here I am beggang
shut up, you say, Meredith, and I yell, remember okay,
here it is your choice. It's simple her or me,
(28:45):
And I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
She's really great. But Derek, I love you in a
really really big pretend to like your taste in music.
Let you eat the last piece of cheesecake, hold a
radio over my head outside your window. Unfortunate way that
makes me hate you, love you. So pick me, choose me,
(29:11):
love me.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Love me.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
That's such a good voice. So I have a thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I have a fact on this that Ellen Pompeo hated
the line. Hated the line from Data from Day Dot
and Shonda knew that she hated it. But when this
is going to go off, this will be a moment.
So they had that conversation of Ellen as a woman
was like, I would never beg someone to leave their
wife ever, But for the greater good of the show,
(29:38):
this is going to go off. And Ellen says it's
the most quoted line to her of all My.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
God, imagine being quoted the line that you absolutely despised
to you all the time. But the Picmic Girl came
years after, like a whole generation after that episode aired,
so it feels like it has this whole new light.
And I think when that episode first aired, it was like,
oh my God with the whole Macdreamy mc steem me.
Everyone was like, oh my god, I would love to
(30:04):
be Merethon Gray, Like she's in the best position. She's
got this hot doctor who's super rich, who's left his
wife for her, Like what a dream and now she
has the best boyfriend ever. And I think the next
generation when they took that pick me angle, they've changed
it to be like why would you want to be
that woman? And I think that's what she's getting on
board with.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, some shows don't age well. This is not a
situation where the show hasn't aged well where you watch
Friends or you watch Scrubs and you go, oh that's bad.
You do watch it and go, oh, we've learnt to
not be gas lip like Derek is. Derek is a
gas ladder. Yeah, it's complex situations.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Mark is like honest about it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
He's like he's a bit of an asshole, but where
like he's not trying, he's not trying not to be.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But Derek was like, I'll just make out with both
of them and then like what, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I really, I really really like Mark Mark's lane all right, have.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I made that Claire?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I did think like, I know you guys were ragging
on his death, but I thought, like that death to
me the whole, like where he gets that wind before
you die, like and the search like I haven't had
like Touchwood, I haven't had that much experience with death
around me. But the experience I have had has had
that search, and that episode taught me how to deal
(31:22):
with that, like how to not be super excited when
that happens with a loved one.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Wow, I had no idea that it was an actual
thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's an actual yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Seanda, she's teaching us, so she's helping us here.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
To friendship death.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
But I do want to ask if so your favorite
hotness meter you're at mxtainy. I think am. I think
you and I have the same one of the person
we're most attracted to.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I'm scared to say mine. If you say someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Can I say my runner up and you tell me
if it's this person? Yeah, you're first Jackson Ara, Yeah, Yeah,
he's the top.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Yeah, he's the top, he's the top.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
My second runner eyes, my runner up is Owen.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
It's the okay, you.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Know what, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And he's come from a haunted part.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
But do you know what? I think Shonda Rhimes casts
people based on back muscles, and we should thank her
for that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
But you've got to hold up something well.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
When you think, have you watched How to Get Away
with Murder?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, yeah, Nately, Nately?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Oh yeah, just film that man from the back?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Oh, I'm so glad that Jackson Avery is up there
with you guys.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Is he's still in the show?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Not?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
No, he's gone now, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
He had a weird ending.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I liked him when he first started and those eyes
like he could read me.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
The fun but it would be interested.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
If we talk about bad endings. We've got to talk
about Alex's career.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
What happened there?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I don't know drama behind that?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Did I die?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I forget?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
He didn't die, He just let like is he right? Yeah?
He left to go be with Easy, but he leaves
as a voiceover letter? Did they run out of me?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Like?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Could they not pay him to come back for one episode?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah? That was weird.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You're right, that was terrible.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And what's he doing now?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Nothing?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I'd think he's just in an episode mini series, some
little bits and pieces, I'm sure he's got some good Grace.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Money though, final final, will they.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Show over end?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think do you have a prediction and do you
have a prediction on how it will end with a
voice over with a voice over all of them?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh, I mean maybe, because they do try to be
a bit political and a bit poignant. Sometimes it could
be about the American health system and losing money in
the hospital shuts down.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Maybe, and then they get all the actors have ever
worked on the show to come back to try to
save it. It doesn't work out, so they all say one
bigger bite.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, I think it might. They might try and do
it like a neighbor's goodbye, like where they get as
many people like Shonda might.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, they'll get.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sandra just comes from the ceiling like an angel, come
in for one big surgery that requires like fifty people,
and then it's done.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Oh that's so funny. Well, thank you so much, Grace
for joining us.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
I feel like this is a really fun.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
We're also sitting on couches, so we're just like.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Lying back honestly, like we have to wrap up, but
I don't want to. I've been having so much fun
and I love also just like getting really serious and
like delving into it, like it's some kind of it
is literacy.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
What do we like a literary It's an analysis.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's an analysis of the cultural impact of Shonda Rhimes
and the shows that she's made.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Thy Doctor, Doctor Grace. Thank you very much, thank.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You, thank you so much for listening to This Bill
today and this Bally honest review. We do a lot
of these really honest reviews. We will link a bunch
in our show notes. My favorite one we've still done
was a briallyview of Gladiator Too. That's my personal favorite.
If you love this episode, please follow us on Instagram
at this Bill podcast. We've post a whole bunch on there,
and we will see you at three pm on Monday.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Bye bye.
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