A Brutally Honest Review Of Nobody Wants This Season 2

You know we love a rom-com here at The Spill — and one of the biggest shows in the world has returned for Season 2, taking us from swoon-worthy confessions to the brutal reality of what happens after the honeymoon phase.In this season, we find Joanne and Noah navigating the chaos of real love — diving into what happens beyond the meet-cute montage.

We're also unpacking Joanne and Morgan's iconic sister relationship - the tangled dynamic of being best friends, business partners, and podcasters whose dramatic moments rival the romantic story arcs.We unpack everything from the moments that made us melt to the ending that, let’s just say, the internet (and us) had a lot of feelings about.And, we share a few sneaky behind-the-scenes details about how Nobody Wants This came to be, and one very interesting casting process.

So, is Season 2 still the sharp, heartfelt rom-com we fell for — or has the spark officially faded? We give you our brutally honest review.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I'm am Vernon, and it's the episode.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
That everybody wants.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I've got food in my tea because I've just finished un.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, definitely cut that out. It's very rom com, leading,
lady of you.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It actually is.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm very cute see it from here.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm always eating, okay, but you ain't. I'm always eating,
and yet every time a gusta wood comes, I fall
to the floor.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
But I mean, that is the good thing about the
show we're talking about today nobody wants this season two
is that it is a rom com, but it doesn't
lean heavily into those tried and trude rom com tropes. Yeah,
you never see Kristen Bells, even though she is a
bit of a I'm not like the other girls. She
has that vibe. Yeah, you don't really see her blowing
away in a breeze after I mean she could, she could,

(01:10):
she could, so Yes, Welcome to our brilliant honest review
of Nobody Wants This Season two on Netflix Freaking News.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
You're in a psychotically annoying relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Wait to be call our single list.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Just feel bad, But a relationship isn't solid until you're
out of the honeymoon pace, when you.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Merge your lives and you blend your friends.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, that's what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Noah and I figuring out how to be a Wii.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Hello, you're converting into Judaism.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
No, we're going to do the whole like interface thing. Ah. Well,
do you guys want a sidebar? This still after dinner?
If you're near here and you've just popped in for
the first time, well, Gourdelin's Wow, what an episode to
come in on. But brilliant. Honest reviews is where we
do a huge deep dive and analysis and opinion on

(01:58):
the one new TV show or movie that everyone is
talking about, and we go through from start to finish.
So there's going to be spoilers galore. Just be aware.
But I'm pretty sure everyone who's here has watched this. Yeah,
I've watched it three times because I watched it twice
before we did our review because we had the screwters
for ages, and we did get that from that time,
and I see different things every time.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, okay, I've watched it once, but I've watched it all.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Obviously one of us cares more about this podcast now.
I thank god it's me.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I think it's two cares more so.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Starting off with where we find ourselves in season two.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh my god, I kind of forgot what happened in
season one before I went into season two, so I
had to go back and watch the last episode of
season one is a good way to do it, which
is also one of the best episodes of TV. Yeah,
I want to say. And when we start off on
season two, the biggest thing that happens in the first
episode is that you see Noah and Joanne are still

(02:56):
together because you have that big reunion off the end
of the last season, and then they decide to host
a dinner party for all their mutual friends, and this
is where we find out that there was no actual
conversation between their last reunion and what their relationship is now.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yes, a bit of time has passed, but we don't
have to have seen that because no huge story points happened.
And it's interesting knowing how behind the scenes I think
they came into season two and it makes me like,
look at the show a little bit differently, because I
don't think it's widely known that the making of season
one of Nobody wants this absolute clusterfuck it. Just do

(03:34):
you know this? It just didn't come across that way
on screen. Obviously, it's based on a true story. So
the creator, Aaron Foster, who the daughter of a kind
of famous la family, tried her hand at acting. People
called her an unsuccessful actress. I was like, how dare you?
She was Heather and the Oc. She was there when
Marissa Cooper died. She is the one who in Gilmore
Girls tells Lane that she's in love for Zach. She's

(03:57):
in pivotal part of pop culture, even though she's on
screen for like fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, for two seconds.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So at thirty five, she met the absolute love of
her life, Simon Tinkman, who was a Jewish man, and
she fell madly in love with him, and she decided
to convert to Judaism so that they could be married.
She had been trying to make it in Hollywood. Her
sister had a reality show. They have a very successful
clothing label. They have a podcast, but they had been
trying to She had been trying to make it as

(04:23):
an actress for like twenty years.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Which is a good story to tell that not all
NAPO babies make it exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Someone them just sit with their money and start side businesses.
I don't want to speak disrespectfully the Foster sisters because
I do love them both dearly, but yeah, she had
tried to make it as an actress and also as
a TV writer for twenty years. Nothing really worked, nothing stuck.
One day, she was telling her manager about this story
and he's like, that's the story you should write. So
she started writing a pilot. Didn't tell her husband. He
was shocked when he found it was happening, and she

(04:50):
had written it for her to start, but then when
Netflix bought it, they said no. So the first season
kind of followed her life sort of closely in a way.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
The only main difference, she says, is that she's actually
really close to a sister in law, and like you
esther portrays, especially in the first.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Season, but she wasn't originally close to the sister in
law in real life. It was that the the rest
of the family. You're right, She wasn't like her the
mother in law didn't try and like get her out
of the family the same way she does in the show.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
They had to, which thank god they added because being
is iconic.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, exactly, No, No, she is a creation based on
like I think, an amalgamation of different women. So they
had the idea of the show. When they tried to
get the cast on, Kristen Bell wanted to be part
of it, even Adam Brody. Like this has only come
out recently when Adam Brody first zoomed with them to
talk about the role because he wasn't their first choice.
They wanted Nick Kroll, the comedian, and he turned it. Yeah, krall,

(05:41):
yeah did you know that? No, so let me miss
that again looking up, because I.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Can't even imagine this series with Nick Kroll.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
And I offered it to Nick Kroll. He seems too
like he turned it down. Oh no, no, I wonder
if he regrets that now.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Surely he seemed to, Like, I don't know, every time
I see Nick Kroll, it feels like he's playing characters
that is himself. Yeah, like it feels so far.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Fatter think that's what they wanted, that he would just
come on and be Nick Kroll, so he passed on it.
Then they audition, they said every young Jewish actor or
youngest Jewish actor in Hollywood, none of them were right.
And then they had a zoom with Adam Brody and
he asked all these questions and Aaron's like, I don't
actually have the answers to any of this. I don't
know what the show is going to be at, no
where it's going to go. Should the fabric of it,
but not the show. And then in Adam Brodie's words,

(06:22):
he just at the end of the day, he's like,
I like the idea. I love Kristen Bell. They obviously
had worked together before. I want to work for Netflix.
Obviously cash Cow Who's like, fuck it, I'll do it.
They filmed the first two episodes, they all watched together,
the cast like this is incredible, this is wonderful. We
love it so much. And then when they took a
pre planned break to assess where the rest of the

(06:42):
first season should go, and then they changed the whole script,
like Morgan and Sasha were meant to get together all
this other stuff Rebecca's mum instead of we have in
season one, how Rebecca has the car accident after their
big first kiss, his mum was meant to die, all
this stuff was gonna have, all this other traumatic stuff
was going to happen. They scrapped all that through it
out the door, and so the rest of the season
was like in turmoil, and they didn't think the show

(07:03):
was going to be good. The actors were like behind
the scenes saying.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
To so they scrapped it without it actually having anything
else to replace it.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
And then rewriting it and going in but also shooting
scenes not knowing where I was going to go. So
Justine Lupey was like, am I hooking up with Sasha
or not? I need to play it that way, And
they were like, oh, we'll figure it out, just do
whatever kind of thing. Not quite like that loose, but
you know what I mean. Like Kristen Bell was like,
I don't have all my emotional anchors.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
So they were filming while not knowing what the next
thing they were going to film would be.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Like, yeah, it is. Sometimes I just do think that
TV shows and movies are a miracle when they get made. Yeah,
because on paper, nobody wants to Season one should have
been a disaster. Yeah, it shouldn't have been good. It
is an absolutely miracle that just the writing and the
cast and the idea managed to pull them over the
finish line. So when they came into season two, they

(07:49):
were coming from that quite uneven ground, like they captured
lightning in a bottle, But how do you recreate that
a second time around when you kind of didn't mean
to do it the first time?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, So did they do the same thing or do
they actually have it all scripted?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
They had it scripted, so they actually brought in and
this is kind of I think why this season feels
very different, but almost in a good way. So Jenny
Connor came on Girls. Yes, yes, yes, can't you just
feel her hairs all over it? So Jenny Connor came
on to be like a co runner with Aaron Foster
and they kind of made the show together with like
the rest of their team of creators and executive producers. Yes,

(08:24):
Jenny Connor is well known as being the co showrunner
and writer with Lena Dunham on Girls. She also has
done a lot of other things. But also she and
Lena Dunham did like the Letting Letter together and all
these things. We don't know what happened. They had a
falling out.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Oh did they?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I didn't know about this. Yeah, they've never they've
kind of alluded to it. Yeah, it's kind of knowing.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
It's kind of knowing, kind of like a childish Gambino
Phoebe wealler Bridge situation.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
They've gone their separate ways. They're not creative partners anymore.
Not me storying up gossip in this podcast, which I
didn't mean to do. So she came on and Aaron Foster.
Her vision for this season was that she didn't want
to go with any of the big dramatic storylines they
had had for season one, So she didn't actually want
to have anyone die, She didn't want to have any

(09:08):
kind of cheating, and she didn't want and Joanne to
be separated in any way. So Aaron Foster said, she actually,
with nobody wants this, didn't mean to write a rom com,
but she did, and she wrote a great rom com,
she realized, and then she decided that she was just
going to give the people what they wanted. In season two,
She's like, I wanted to lean into the.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Bubble, which is the best way to make a decision.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, exactly. She's like, I want this to be a romance.
So it's going to be a romance, and she wanted
to accelerate it even further. And Jenny Connor is the
one who apparently there was so many, like, you know,
arguments like good creative argument's not bad arguments in the
writer's room, pulling it back to season two, which makes
me think that Netflix is in this for the long
haul because the place where she wanted it to go

(09:48):
feels like when Netflix season four, if that makes sense. Yeah, okay,
so that's how we came into this season. Yeah, having
that in your mind, I think quite changes how you
see and how they kind of brought all these puzzle
pieces together.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think the way the season ends, there has to
be another season.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh absolutely, Yeah. Well, the way that she wanted to
end it, it means they're like they're taking this all
the way to the bank five years from now, thank god,
saying thank god, yeah, thank god. No, this show needs
to be at least five seasons. So the dinner party.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Is we're all circless by the dinner party, Noah and
Joanna hosting a joint dinner party.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Mistakes could not be higher.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
And can we firstly talk about how beautiful everyone's houses.
Where are they getting this money from? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Well, that's the old school rom Com fantasy element of
the show, especially with joe Aanne like as I was saying,
like in many ways she's not an old school comm woman,
but in her job and life she is. Because I
will always maintain that the biggest lie rom COM's ever
sold us was not about love. It's about real estate. Yes,
rom Coms taught us that we would all grow up

(10:54):
and live in these huge, beautiful apartments.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Working two hours a week.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, and have heaps some time with their friends, have
beautiful clothes, and we would have these huge, big, beautiful homes.
And I still am upset about the fact that that
is not the case.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, that's the one thing I wanted to be true.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I look in a huge apartment of work two
hours a week. I don't care if I don't get
the sexy boyfriend who doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Give us good housing, which is which is affordable housing.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
You just want affordable housing, is what wrong comes with us?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So they're hosting this dinner party in his beautiful house.
There's massive kitchen.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I mean, he comes from pretty big family, money money
in there, and he's doing everything, and she's in charge
of the lighting, gets it wrong, but he does he
does everything else.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Basically the people they choose to invite is very interesting
because I feel like this doesn't really happen in real life. Firstly,
all their friends are hot. Every single person they know
is super hot.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Hope. None of Emily's friends are listening to this, sorry.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
And there's two people that they want to set up.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, you know what, that is the most fantasy element
of the show, because you know what, people don't set
people up anymore. Would any of your friends do that?
It used to be thinking, that's how I dated.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Remember the f up is what I want to say
to my friendly.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Megan Markle's friends set up with Prince Harry, and none
of my friends do anything to help me. No, no, no,
we need better friends, need friends and better friends. We
need horder and better friends. Okay, and let's clip that
and put it on the innet.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
So they have the dinner party. The first kind of
I guess slight disagreement we see is a trio disagreement. Yeah,
and that is between Morgan, Sasha and Essa. Yes, and
they treat it in a way that's very low stakes,
whereas it's a high stake situation, yeah, which I love.
I love it when movies and TVs do that where

(12:39):
they spin the issue on the head and like kind
of surprise you with how they tackle it. Yeah. Yeah,
and they take it in a very like comedic way.
So Esa pulls Sasha and Morgan into a bedroom. Sasha's like,
I'm not prepared for three and.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I love he's just like being so honest. He's like,
I could do it. I just could do it prepared.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Just give me a few minutes. And they're like both
of them are like, ill, no, that's what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And the worst thing is just like, you wouldn't be
here if I was having a threesome her husband, and
neither of you two would be here.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
And I think this is the first scene where we
realized that the rest of the season is going to
really lean into Essa's character development, and because it was
also the first time where after season one, I was
kind of like, oh, I really really like her, Yeah
I really.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So she was only a like a guest star on
the first season.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, she doesn't even make it in the IMDb in
the main caste.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
She was a guest star in the first season and
then she was up to a series regular in season two,
And that's the second time that they've underestimated Jackie Tone.
Can I just say? Because when they were looking to
cast that role, Kristen Bell, who was already cast as
Joe Anne and who was a producer on the show
at that time, said, will you see one of my

(13:50):
very best friends, Jackie Tone?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, you told me that the best siees.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
They've been best friends since do you know how I
noticed Veroni kahmaras And it's such a cute story because
Jackie Tone has like a tiny little bit part in
Ronni Kahma's But they just met and have stayed best
friends for like well over twenty years.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Wall is Jackie Tone the best friend in Roon?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
No? No, No, She's literally it's like a side player
in one episode, She's in like two scenes hardcore ron
Kamala's fans wouldn't even know who she is. It's such
a passing bitchround form. But they just met on set
and just struck up a friendship and have stayed best
friends for like well over twenty I want.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
To show about that.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, like that, and Jackie Corn had a bit of
a rough time in Hollywood. She was a child actor.
She was on The Nanny a lot, and then she
was trying to make it as a musician. She was
an American idol or she didn't really get through. It
wasn't really until Glow on Netflix, remember that show I
Love w Recorlling show that she got her big break.
So Kristen Bell is like, will you see my friend
Jackie Tone for this role? And Aaron Foster said, she

(14:47):
immediately felt wildly uncomfortable because my friend wants to audition.
She was like, Oh, this is going to be so
awkward because then I'm going to have to tell Kristen Bell,
who is the star of my show and a producer,
that her friend can't have this role, or we're going
to have to give a bad actress a role which
is quite pivotal to the show and it's a huge yeah, exactly.
So she's like, there's no good way out of this.

(15:08):
It's the most awkward thing. And she was quite dreading it.
And then Jackie Tone's audition tape came in and Kristen
Bell was reading the lines with her, so like, it's
extra awkward because Kristen's like in the room with her.
And then Aaron Foster said that she saw the tape
and was like, she's perfect. She's it. It doesn't even
matter that she's Kristen Bell's best friend. Yeah, oh my god,
I love that.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
She's a good actor.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
She's a good actor. Oh. I love Jackie Tone. I've
loved her since Glow. I've loved her Sinceinnanni. Who am
I kidding? She's got this role.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I feel like, after I've talked to a lot of
my friends who watched the second season, Esta is everyone's
favorite character. Yeah, everyone like, no one's like.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And she's kind of because that was the criticism of
the first season. They're like a lot of people, particularly
people of who are Jewish. I read a lot of
articles where they said, like, why are the women the
show depicted as like the villains or Harpy's and why
are Jewish women the villains here? And a lot of
the people who made the show who were Jewish women
themselves said that, like it was a layered thing. They're like,

(16:05):
you're gonna love these women. They're not written to be villains,
like with Bina and Esta and stuff. How we love
them now? Like just wait, we're getting there kind of thing.
And the reason they had that scene with the three
of them with Sasha and Morgan and Esther at the top.
Was for two reasons they were saying. One was that
there had been that confusion over Sasha and Morgan through
the first season, and even the actors didn't know if

(16:27):
they were supposed to be playing it as if they
were in love or they were supposed to be playing
like they were friends, and so they wanted to at
the top of season two completely set the audience of ease,
like nothing happened, Like it wasn't sexual at this point.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Because even like people I was talking to, I think
they made their relationships so confusing that people just kind
of assumed something happened even though it didn't. Like I
had a friend go but they kissed, and I was like, oh, no,
they didn't. They didn't.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
But that's if the writers don't know, when the actors don't.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, exactly, Obviously, this is what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
A little part of Aaron Foster's plan, and it did
work that it would be so ambiguous that even the
people playing the scenes didn't know. It's a risky move
to not give your actors the motivation to play it
in a certain way. So the reason they had that
scene was that they wanted to everyone knows straightaway, like
this is where these two characters stand. This season is
not going to be about them hooking up. But also
it was to kind of set up Esther's storyline, like

(17:18):
you're saying, yeah, she's not even upset about the affair,
she's upset that they don't think she's fun and interesting
because the life that she's found herself stuck in, being
a really young mom and or young wife, makes her
feel like she's not fun and she feels stuck.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, And I think that portrayal of that woman that age,
who's in a different life stage to the rest of
her friends and stuff is so true. Like I think
her character in particular is probably most reflective of real
life of women like that. Yes, and I think she
plays it so so well. But also I think it's
important that they did that argument scene because it sets

(17:52):
her up as like not being the bad guy. Yeah,
because then I think you suddenly going because I feel
like in season one, so many people myself included, were
rooting for Morgan and Sasha really yeah, because like I
found Esther so unlikable. And then in the second season,
that first scene, she immediately become likable, and I completely
stopped rooting for them as like a love interest, and
I'm very much suret the whole season was like, I

(18:14):
just hope their stay friends.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, exactly, and they did, and they did. So, Yes,
we have where we find these characters in season two,
Joanne and Noah coming out of the honeymoon phase, which
is where we had them in.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Season one, which is also very clever to do in
the first episode because I thought the point of contention
was the three of them, Yeah, but we actually find
out the point of contention is Joanne and Noah still
not defining what their relationship is.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, and just finding themselves. Now they're in that stage
where like, as they say, about to merge their lives,
but still this huge obstacle between them hasn't been solved. Yeah,
and not even the obstacle of just her being Jewish,
like her being like we're ready to move in, and
he's not him wanting her to be this perfect person
in her wanting him to kind of see her as
a person, not just as a girlfriend who needs like

(18:59):
a box ticked off and all these things. So yes,
then we progressed through the season.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Oh my god. As we progressed through the season, the
whole overarching issue is the exact same over watching issue
at season one on like will she convert? Or when
she convert? And when will she convert? Yeah, and between
that you see them also ignoring that, whereas like in
season one, it was very much another character like her
either converting to Judaism or not. But now it's like

(19:26):
kind of seen as like this ghost in the past,
but or that is always the issue in all of
their arguments, and with both of them, I think I
really don't want to say that because I want people
will get angry.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
No say it. This is a safe space. You have
to say whatever you think.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Throughout the whole season, I found both of them so
deeply unlikable. Really, that is.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
So interesting because they were not written to be that way,
Like Aaron Foster wanted you to be more immersed in
their love story this time around. What did you find
unlikable about them? Do you think you find them unlikable because.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
They firstly, I can't guess their age.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Okay, that is interesting and a lot of people have
an issue with that, so and.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I have a huge issue with that, and I usually never.
I think it's because if it's like a generation older
than me or a generation young them, and let's take
Sex and the City and like Stranger Things, right, they're
so out of my world? Did I just see them
as like women who's like my mum's generation and like kids,
whereas like when it's like these twenties thirties, like early
forties era. Yeah, I want to know their age because

(20:25):
I want to compare myself to them.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yes, I do see what you're saying, So I can't
do that again. Frustrated Bell and Adam Brody are both
in their early forties in the show. They are meant
to be in their late ish thirties, is how they
have described it. So thirty seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Eight, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I remember when Kristen Bell and Adam Brody went on
her husband Dak Shepherd's podcast before the start of last season,
and that was his big gripe because he said, are
you going to explain why your characters are single? And
I wrote a huge piece about this as the time
that went a little bit viral because they both said no,
why would win He's like, well, you can't have two

(21:02):
forty year old to a single and not explain how
they could possibly be single. And I took a lot
of issue with that. I'm like, because I'm like, that
is believable. I don't think it needed to be a
plot point that look at these crazy people that are
hot and single, yeah and forty.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
But like, how is it possible that two people can
be So.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's like, he's like, something has happened to both of
them that they've ended up like this, and why isn't
that being addressed? And I liked Kristen Bell and Adam
Brodie's response that have being like nothing has happened to them,
this is just how their lives have unfolded. But then
in this season they made it more clear that they're
in their late thirties, which realistically does for any any
person dating at a different layer. They do touch in

(21:38):
it when Joanne says like, I can't wait around anymore.
How old do you think I am? And then she's like,
don't answer that.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's also an interesting thing because I think Kristen Bell
and Adam Brodie can both play mid thirties, like they
could play mid thirties or forties, like it's such a
gray area. Yeah, But Kristen Bell has a thing that
her hands look like the hands of a fifty year old,
and her friends have said that that's true, and so
they have to retouch them in all the scenes so
that she doesn't look older than she is early forties.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
And so you can't get botox in your hands.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
You can't get botox in your hands. That's why I
put some scrim my hands every day. Little note to
listens is that, yes, you can't fix your hands, and
they are they giveaway of age, and she's she's particularly
nervous about that. So they retouch her hands in a
lot of different projects, not out of vanity, just not
to make her look otherwise. They have to explain why
she's fifty, and even to the point where her assistant,

(22:29):
she said, her assistant will sometimes see photos where her
hands have it been retouched, like press images or red
carpet photos, and will like zoom in on them and
send them to her. They got your hands, they got
your hand. So I looked at her hands the other day,
but I'm like, I actually don't think they're that bad,
but I don't know I need Yeah, Okay, afterwards we
all google Christen Bell's hands. So the point is they're
meant to be in their late thirty Yeah, and it

(22:51):
should add a huge extra layer to their relationship. But
I know what you mean. It doesn't. Yeah, and it's
really is that refreshing her is unrealistic.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
It makes me more angry. And not to the Sunset,
because they're like both unrealistic, but to the Saandset, they're
acting like they're in a relationship in their early tw twenties. Yes, yes,
like the red flags and stuff like these are stuff
that you figure out in your early twenties, and especially
the way Noah acts and how he treats her like
every other relationship he's ever been there and she has

(23:22):
to be like, I'm a different person. You have to
treat me like me and he's like, oh, what do
you mean?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
What I know? It's like are you getting the ink?
Because you think he's a bit of a man child.
He is such like the child the Rise of the
trad Son that we're seeing. He's like a has a job,
but then he's unemployed.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
And he's like, I don't like my job. I'm moving
to a different one. I don't like this one either.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
What do I do? Like?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you have the EQUI with Noah. I do.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think I have the equ with both of them
a little bit. Okay, because and she's also the same.
She's like, what do you mean you need a night off?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
But isn't that the point of being out of the
honeymoon phase of all those issues rise to the surface.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's I think what makes me scared because I have
been in relationship, but I've never left the honeymoon phase,
like the relationship will always end before we get to
the real stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I haven't got to the phase where it's like,
should we like completely metalized, moving together, joint bank account,
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
This season did not make me want to ever do that.
It's not a really good ad for relationships at all.
I mean, there's some good things.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
The most romantic, well they're making pasta No, that was upsetting,
especially the bike ride. Okay, we'll get to that. He'd
want a completely different feel like I was watching a
horror movie watching that, Watching the vala hike a nighttime hike.
Absolutely not so. No, the most romantic moment in the
whole both seasons of nobody wants this to say. Yeah,

(24:47):
everyone thinks it's the first kiss in the first episode,
or when he runs to her at the bar mits
for at the end of the first episode. It's actually
the scene where they go into the bedroom and she
sees that he has built her nightstand, and she jumps
onto him and they had the most passionate kiss. One
of the best becauses I've ever seen on TV. Is
it felt so real because he had built her nightstand. Yeah,

(25:08):
it's so simple. Didn't you think when I saw that that,
I was like, Oh, I'm all in with this couple.
I truly am back on board with their chemistry. It's
early on, but it's so needed because so many, as
you're saying, kind of shitty things go on between them,
and their behavior is bad. I think you need those
little hits of the rom com to remind you why
we're here.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's true. I like, yeah, I really like the nightstand scene,
and then they just went down there.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Oh okay, well, let's move on to the Valentine's Dacy. No.
I know. I was watching it through. I was watching
it like when we go to the movies together and
you watch a scary movie. I was watching it like this,
this is awful. I hated so much. I guess it
also feels very realistic. They come into it with very
different expectations. It's almost fun that they're it's kind of
reversed because normally it would be the female character in

(25:53):
a TV show who wants Valentine's Day to be this
perfect thing that she grew up thinking of and that
she's seen the movies, and it would be the male
character being like, let's just chill. It doesn't have to
be a big deal. Let's not put it on. And
I liked that it was role reversed.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, I really like that. I also found it really
sweet that he her.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
A full card and that was really cute, and he
wanted a card and she didn't even read it. It's
right there, love Joan. That's me giving gifts. By the way.
It's like even though I'm a writer, like you know,
like it's either I either write nothing or three thousand. Yeah,
but there is no in between.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
The card thing was then immediately juxtaposed with the actual
gifts they got each other. Yeah, Like her gift was
very like would probably be a Valentine's gift i'd give someone, Like,
it's not a birthday gift, it's not a Christmas gift.
It's like that gift that you know they'll like really
laugh at and like have a good memory when they
see it.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whereas his was like, oh he just
it is also such a guy thing to be like, firstly,
ugly necklace, Okay, that's so mean. Do you know why
that necklace is in the show. Why Because Jen Maya,
the designer, is best friends with the Foster sisters. That's
their best friend's necklace.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
So they put in the show, and you just it
it's meant to be a lovely nod to their friend.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
It's not. Okay, it's like a pluck Yeah, Okay, that
woman was married Tomigi's enough. She's been through enough. She
doesn't need you to rubbish her jewelry collection.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
And she's been through a lot, including bad jewelry.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
So you just know, it just feels so realistic, like
such a statement.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I got.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
You don't be something like like a dainty like Jay.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah. I actually thought what she pulled out was gonna
be like his initial.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
That would have been worse like teer Troy.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, musical. I had a friend who's then fiance gave
her a nameplate necklace with his name on it, and
she was like.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
With the fishful name.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, She's like, I'm not wearing that. That's so weird
own a ship. That's what I thought it was going
to be, and was Joanne. I'm like, that's slightly better.
But you can just tell her he did that for
a girlfriend fifteen years ago and she had like a
great reaction, and he just bought them ever since. He
hasn't account at the store. He goes and they're like, what.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
He's gonna tap?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
He's got what name? This year at the lah and
my store just goes in and Selexi's necklace.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
He righted himself.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, and they know him all that. It's cute. They
wrap it for.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Him because she's like every other girl who aggressively stalks
their partner's exes. She immediately knew that that necklace was
the exact same one he got Rebecca.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
That was the best part. I just love also the
character of Rebecca that she comes back because in another
universe she's the main character.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, like she was.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Daneis guy who just made her think that they were
in this amazing relationship. She thought they were getting married,
and then he dumbs her at the last second and
has this new like blond bimbo girlfriend and she has
to go off and like discover herself and has this
big adventure like in another world she's the star.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
And then he calls her so he can get closure.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah that's what I mean. I want the Rebecca version
of this. I want her to be the lead character
another show, just because I feel like she's got a
better story to tell.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Like in Summer Time, Pretty Lazy Man, all these women
being pushed aside when they're the lead characters, and it's
like funny because like she like when I saw Rebecca,
I'm like, oh, that's me in the movie.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's me, I know, and be the main character with
all the Rebecca on the inside.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
What I thought was interesting about that Valentine's A episode
was traditionally Morgan and Joanne do Valentine's A Lunch boozy lunch.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Together drunk since in middle school drunk.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Lunch, and for the first time they didn't do it.
And I think the reason they allowed each other to
not do it was because they're both in relationships. I
feel like if Morgan wasn't with doctor Andy, that would
be a whole, massive, big issue.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, exactly, like forgoing your big sister's tradition that you
have on that day it which sounds so fun. By
the way, it's so much want to be a drunk
lunch with them than pastor making.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, ill, I got the egg from all of them
in that.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
And to Joan's credit, you can see that she's trying
so hard to be the girl who wants to be
the Valentine's.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
They when they get there, she's like, oh, why don't
look like that.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
She's like with their hair and makeup and the pasta
making and stuff, but is like Morgan's going through the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Again, there's a there's a world in which this is
the worst episode of TV we've ever seen, because, in
a nutshell, what we are seeing is two beautiful, blonde
white women being showered with love and affection by their
doting boyfriends, and they're both angry about it. And then
the magic of the writing is that we feel sorry
for that. Yeah, I just realized that. I'm like, why
am I? I'm like, oh, these women are really having

(30:34):
a tough day. Oh my boyfriend named flowers after me.
Oh he had he had someone paint me. Oh, you
got me a bubble bath with his brother's bubble machine,
which brings in that bart scene was gross, which brings
there is nothing with bars, and sometimes they sound like
that's just sexy idea, and the reality of it sometimes
is it's just really hot and uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
And then if you like try to push your foot
against the bar, then it makes that really loud noise.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
And once they're like, what do we do? Yeah, it's
not cute and it's not sexy, and it does make
your face really hot.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, so really, so, the relationship I was most invested
in this series was Sasha and Essa.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
And this is also kind of like an inkling of
what I thought their ages were, which were like mid
to late thirties, was because they have a teenage daughter,
like a preteen daughter, and they were also having a
discussion on whether they wanted to have another baby, and
the discussion was very much like it's so easily possible,
which is why I assume they were in their mid thirties.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, exactly, And you kind of get the idea that,
which is something wasn't touched on the first season. You
kind of get a bit more of their backstory when
they go to a picnic bench, which I thought was
interesting of the fact that they were friends for a
long time.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
The picnic was actually such a good It was such
a good plot because you learned so much about the camera.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
They're like, oh, we fell in love here, and we
were so young with songings, so you get the idea.
They fell in love, they got pregnant, they had to
get married really quickly or they potentially wouldn't have kept dating,
which is such an interesting plot twist to their characters
and explained so much about their relationship that they were
probably be married with her kid since they were twenty Yeah,
which means they could be only thirty three, thirty four.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
And it does meet Noah in his twenties. That checks out.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
No one's in his twenties.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, Okay, I'm just saying this timeline is.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
He's acting like a sixteen year old.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I feel like we're in a Christopher Nolan movie trying
to work out just all these different things working and
they don't line up.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It's like a different dimension.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, it's like Interstellar, Like there's something like we fold
the paper and we stick a pencil through and then
you figure out that nobody wants this timeline. Thank god.
I just really want them to know the ages.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
But anyway, Sasha and Esta's relationship is so it's really
important to me because they're both so so sad and
I feel so sorry for both of them, Like I
want them to be together so badly, but I also
know that they need to grow on their own. Yeah,
and you learn that from like early on, and he's

(33:05):
so obsessed with her, he's so in love with her.
He tries, he did, he learned to dance for her.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
So that dance is based off the dance that Aaron
Foster's husband surprised her with at their wedding to the
same song, to the Ariana Grande song. Oh my god,
I know, and she was like, I loved it. She's like,
I can't post it because he can't really dance, whereas
Sasha can actually do it. So it's meant to He
kind of pulls off a little bit, but that's a

(33:31):
real moment from her life that she wanted to pull in.
It's like, this is what a man will do for you,
because that's how lived experience. She's like, if a man
loves you, if he really loves you, he will choreograph
a dance to an Ariana Grande song and do it
in front of you and other people.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
That's true. Yeah, I mean he couldn't do it in
front of other people when he tried again, Yeah, kept
getting her wrong. But he loves her so much and
he wants to be with her and try everything to
make their relationship work, and she just can't. Like she
just is so so sad in her situation. And I
think it's so true how she keeps coming back what

(34:04):
you said in the beginning, She keeps coming back to
how she's not fun. Yeah, and like that would hurt
so much, Like people like being a fun person. Then
that's completely disappearing from your personality.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And all of a sudden you're just seen as the
mom and the housewife. And yeah, fine thing because even
she does it in like the beginning of season one,
she's like, I could have fucked Ada Levine, remember that. Yeah,
he's like what She's like, you know this baby, Come on,
She's like, I just want everyone to know that I
could have been a cool, fun party girl, but I've
been pulled into this.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, and it's so sad. And I think their relationship
in particular, like the way it kind of ended but
not really ended in the last episode, is just so
telling to like the love and respect they have for
each other. Yeah, and how even like Morgan like being there,
like Esther doesn't like her at all, but she's not

(34:54):
seen as a threat, Like Esther's so secure with him
that Morgan's never a threat to her.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah exactly, Like she never actually worries that he's cheating
on her. Yeah, she just doesn't want him to have
a fun, secret life with her, and she doesn't want
him to have it and she not have it, yeah exactly. Yeah,
And I feel like I got really upset and the
way their relationship kind of ended, And it's interesting how
they bread crumb that through this season, like with the
Perum episode, the Jewish Halloween, how it's the first year

(35:23):
she doesn't want to come as Esther because she doesn't
want to any she doesn't want to be herself anymore.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So she's yeah, yeah, so coming to Morgan. Which I
feel like her character was a very much standalone character
in the season, where in the first season I really
tied her with Sasha. Yeah, like she always did like
scenes either with Joanne and they were too or Sasha
and they were too Yeah, And I feel like in
this season they really left her onto her own devices,

(35:50):
and she was able to kind of develop by herself.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, and I think that is what made this season
quite strong, is that it wasn't a centered on just
Joanne and Noah as the first season was. It became
more of an ensemble piece, which I think to have
sustainability as a show, you quite need. What's also interesting
and what I think if anyone who's feeling, as you're saying,
like a little bit lackluster about the Joanne and Noah romance,

(36:12):
the way to kind of rejig the season your head
is that Kristen Bell and Justine Lupe, who played the sisters,
went into this show seeing that this season was a
love story about them. It was about their relationship. So
they didn't know each other in the first season. Justin
was just casting the show after Kristin and they became
very very close friends. They spent all that like a

(36:33):
lot of their free time together. Justin's always saying because
she had a baby and she's always hanging out Kristen
Bell's house, to the point where she knows that like
Kristen Bell's love language is a bit of like attention,
which can manifest through pranks. So she have you heard
about this. So at the start of filming, Justin lupey
of Season two started filming two, Justin Lupe set up
a very elaborate April Fool's Day prank on Kristin Bell

(36:56):
that she had to set up six weeks before April
Fool's Day and.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
It's giving Brooklyn nine nine yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
No, the stakes of this, the props. Every single person
was on the cast was in on it except Kristin Bell.
So one day she casually dropped that she'd started this
new trend of drinking her own urine. I know it's
actually and you know me, this is grosses me out
to tell the story, but it's quite funny. And she
systematically kept that going, and she had printed out fake
websites she would show Christina Bell. She would bring Mason

(37:23):
jars of her urine. Like she'd go into the corner
and say like like to hey, could you just been
that jar in my room down? Thanks? All these things
where she didn't even know if Kristin was watching her.
She just had to believe she was who and she
built it up. She built it up, she built it up,
and on April Fool's Day, she came to set, she
wasn't filming, and she came to Kristin Bell this is
disgusting with this huge cooler of jars of what she
said that was her own urine, and she's like, I

(37:44):
saved these batches for you. They're so healthy, and Kristin
had been believing. Kristin had been calling doctors and friends
and being like, I'm really worried about Justine. She's doing
this thing like it was a whole thing, and then
she had at that moment Kristen Bell died. She's like, Justine,
I cannot drink your urine. I love you so much,
Please stop this. You need help. And then Justine's like
April falls and the whole cart started like clapping, and

(38:06):
then Kristen Bell' said I've never felt more loved. Oh
my god, I would have killed that person. Well, I
would have had a remove from set before that. We
replaced her character that if the character got killed off,
the character that death that we wanted the first season.
It's happened. Now. It's a weird way to show love,
but it's how they show love.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
And it's see the good thing about that is that
Justin knew that was Kristen's love language. Yea, And that's
what you meant to do. You meant to know the
person's love language and then cater towards that person. You
don't put your own love language on them. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Noah,
Noah could learn a few things.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I want that to me. But this season is very
much about them, and so you see them go through this. Obviously,
they had some issues in season one that whole like
lie over what Rebecca told them Rebecca our girl, causing
trouble all the time, But this season the issue between
them is a lot deeper than that, and the fact
that Joanne sort of nothing hits harder when your friend

(38:59):
or sister gets into a long term relationship, which is
sometimes already difficult enough, even if you don't want to
admit it to yourself, because it was you two single
girls against the world and your lives merely each other.
And when they go off and mind a relationship, there's
no way in the world, no matter how secure you are,
that doesn't hit you really hard and you don't feel alone.
And so not only does Morgan go through that, but

(39:20):
also Joanne does that thing that so many women who
get into relationships do. They don't always mean to do,
but that whole kind of explained to her, like I'm
in a mature relationship, now I need to do this.
It'll happen you and like the condescending you don't understand
what a real life is.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, and that and I like silent competitiveness because like
Morgan wanted the relationship because she saw Joanne have such
a good relationship, and then Joanne wanted the pace of
her relationship to match Morgan's. And she's like seeing Morgan
date this guy for two seconds and move in with
him and get married and stuff, and Joanne's like, and
that's why I think Joanne spirals when Noah does things

(39:57):
that seem quote unquote normal, like when he says I
just want to night off and she's seeing her sister
like thrive in this relationship and she's like, why do
you mean what do you mean you want to night off? Yeah,
and how he doesn't want to move in with her
and he's like that when he sort of wasn't a
hard decision in front of everyone.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Again, at the same time, I was like, Joanne, you
know it wasn't a hard decision, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Because he didn't even hesitate inkling that he wanted that.
That's what I mean. Sometimes this show was a horror movie.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
It's a horror movie. But what proved to me that
it was like such a sister love hate, not even hate,
but like more like love but like not afraid to
tell you how it really is. Is like in that
wedding dress scene when she was trying on the wedding dresses,
and Joanne's like trying to convince her parents to say
something to Morgan because this is something that also I

(40:45):
agree with, like sometimes only a parent can say it. Yeah, exactly,
especially when you're friends with your sister. And I feel
like we would relate because we're friends with our sisters.
Like sometimes you just can't tell your sister everything because
you cross that friendship boundary. But I feel like when
you're not friends with your sister, you can be more
like push and pull because you know they have to
come back to you in the air exactly, And Joanne

(41:06):
struggling so hard and then she just does the most
Joanne thing and just starts trying wedding dresses.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah exactly. It's very kind of like Bridezilla moment there.
It's so funny because they lay all these little things
in there of like the dress that justin Lupe is
where they say it looks like a nightgown. You can
see her underlawear is a replica of her real wedding
dress that she had worn like the year before. I
was like, God live her alone. But it was like
they're fighting on screen, they're funning behind the scenes, and
yet it leads to this kind of breakup between the sisters.

(41:34):
And it's interesting because it almost hits the audience harder
than a breakup between Noah and Joanne in a way,
because it's this kind of like awfulness between them, and
so when they come back together.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know they can't do anything without each other.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah exactly, and you know that, like their whole life
is kind of dependent on each other. And also coming
into the final scene being at Morgan's engagement party, I
also thought was like an incredible way to set up
those final moments of where all our characters come. So
the finale episode has had a lot of criticism you
across this No so the finale episode.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I mean I had my own text.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah exactly. You might match up with this because people
do think that it was a little bit lazy in
a way because they felt it too closely mirrored the
whole big bat mits For scene in the season one
finale of having all your characters at this big, fancy
event and having these big emotional moments unfold there. Yeah,
but I don't think that's quite true because this one
has a different layer in a way. It's like Joanne

(42:29):
and Morgan had just made up before the bat Mitzri
and they do that iconic scene where they come in together, yeah,
and then this one they're back together. That's why they're
both wearing the white dresses.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
And I hated that she wear did you my sister
would never do that to me.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
She's like, no time to find something else. I was like, oh,
that is kind of sisily like my sisters and I
would do that to each other. But these two are
a level above the rest of us, Like Morgan's yes, honestly,
but she was also just like, it's like when they
forgave each other for what they'd done. When she found
out that she told the landlord that's why she's getting
a victor, She's like, okay, we'll even Like they have
a really good I feel like they can shake off
things really.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
So what was your thought on the finale.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
My thought on the finale was, I mean, like you
need like a big party like that to cover a
lot of relationship, especially because what's so true about those
big like engagements and weddings is that emotions run high
for everyone. Yeah, like you say, like there are stuff
in weddings. I've said that. I'm like, that's crazy. I
said that, And it was not the alcohol.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Also, it's not about the alcohol. In this scene, which
was a huge yeah, yeah it was you. I was
featured Nobody Wants the season two the finale. No one's
talking about it. I was featured in the scene where
Joanne goes up to the bar and she gets two
glasses of champagne and then she walks away and tips
one into the other and just drinks that.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
But she doesn't out of sorrow. I do it because
they made it look like such a sad, tragic thing.
And I'm like, that's help on every Friday.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
That's me every event, because I'm not wasting my time
in the bar line and waiting twenty minutes for a
tire little sip that I'll finish before I leave. It's
like you get two or for a movie, a two
hour movie that's fine, it's sustainable. I felt very challenged.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
It was funny.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I felt both seen and made funnel.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
So yes, we come up from that scene where like
you know, the alcohol fights and stuff like that, but
you actually have like the greatest moment between them, which
is when Morgan says something to her sister that she
cannot say to anything else. And I cannot even imagine.
When you hear of people breaking up soon after their weddings,
everyone's like, oh, how do they go through with her?
They're just going to break up, And I was like,
I get it. I get once the ball is rolling

(44:25):
on your wedding. I get how you just feel like
you can't pull out of it, both for losing the
relationship and the people that are there. The money's been spent,
things have been planned. So I think the moment where
Morgan says to her sister, I need you to talk
me out of this. I need you to help me,
and Joanne does that is like such a full circle
moment for their characters and feel so earned after everything
they've been through that season, and.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
It's just like also how she's going through, like Joanne's
going through her own relationship while also trying to help Morgan,
and it was like, don't marry him, Yes, marry him,
I don't care, No, don't marry him.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Well, I loved how she said, which is kind of
sometimes what a true sister will say, because she knew
the right answer. She knew the answer that Joanne knew.
The answer was don't marry him. But in that moment,
she can't say that to Morgan because she has to
be on her team him, and to be on her
team she has to say, which way do you want
me to talk you into? Because I'll take you either
way this stage. Yeah, but you already know where I stand.

(45:18):
You know, I don't think you should marry him, but
if you need me to talk you into it, I will, yeah,
which is actually the kindest thing that you can do
for a sister in that moment.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
That's so true. And also what I loved about that
is that it was only their mom that got them
to sort out their relationship. And I think that's so
telling because not everyone has like a mom or a
mother like figure. But I do think there's something telling
in seeing a woman of a generation above you give
you advice, because like her whole thing was like, don't

(45:46):
do what I did yeah, And then the way she
said that was like so true to both of them,
and it did the opposite effect. Morgan was like, Okay,
I need to break up with him, and Joan was like, no,
I need to get back with him. Yeah, and it
was the same advice.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, that's so interesting. And again, so much of the
criticism for the season finale has been that it's too
close to the first season and it's all just nothing changes.
But if you look at it through a different lens,
it's not a copy, it's a mirror image. And that
is kind of what Aaron Foster wanted a little bit
coming into this well, to be fair erin Foster's big
thing is that she wanted them to get engaged in

(46:21):
the finale when she was planning out this season, even
when she was doing interviews at the end of season one,
She's like, this season is going to be about Joanne
deciding to convert and how she does that, and the
last episode they get engaged. When Jenny Connor came on,
she having a bit more experienced in TV, was very
much like, you're jumping ahead, you're jumping to the last page.
Were only in season two, and so pulled her back,

(46:43):
and apparently the fights about this were so intense and
so prolonged that it kind of shut down the writer's
room over whether or not they would get engaged, and
ultimately Jenny was the one who won that argument and
pushed that aside. But it's interesting because, like you can
almost see that in some way Aaron was building up
to that, but it wasn't allowed to happen because of

(47:03):
where they are. So instead, in season one, we see
Noah be the one to chase Joanne, and in this
episode you see Joanne be the one to chase Noah.
So even though it feels like we're watching the same scene,
it's very different when you look at who's chasing who.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
The only issue I had in that last scene was
that they still didn't tell each other what they were
going to do.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh yeah, they have no plan.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I'm like, stop it, just in love.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
They have no plan, they have no fix.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Just I just want to Joann to just say three words.
I want to conver all she had to say, and
then I'd be okay, yeah. Look, but the scene with
Esther I think was so important in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
So that scene wasn't originally in the script. It was
added much later on in filmed months after they had that,
and they didn't even know who was going to say it,
and they tried it with Esther and like at first
it didn't work and they rejigged it and then it
did work because it.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Was pretty much Esa just going going in a chill.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Well she was just like, also, also my marriage just ended.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, She's like, I've actually got a bigger problem to
deal with. It's interesting because I guess like that is
what Aaron Foster wanted to convey, that from her personal experience,
what she loved about becoming Jewish was these little moments
and these little warmths and these things. And then I
guess the criticism is a lot of people have given
is that it's so much more complex than that. Yeah,

(48:21):
and this show it just wasn't correct and what it was.
And so I totally understand why people feel very disillusioned
and very kind of almost betrayed by that scene. But
then I also understand that this is kind of meant
to be one woman's experience, and that was her experience,
So how can it be wrong in a way? So
I don't have a definitive answer for that. It's not
for me to speak on, but I do think it's

(48:43):
important to note that there's a big group of people
that think that Judaism wasn't properly representing that scene. And
then there's another group of people, particularly from the people
who created a show, that say, it's not meant to
be a representation of how everyone decides to be Jewish,
It's meant to be one person's experience, right, which is, yeah,
a whole kind of different way to it. But I

(49:03):
kind of like, I mean, I just want.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Them to be together because I'm off them, like I'm
over it. Yeah, I'm over it.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
You're over it. We just said we want this show
to go for like five with.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
The other characters. I want to see Sasha, Sam Morgan.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Well, yes, I think that's kind of I'm serious. Yeah,
they have an announced season three. But from everything I've
heard from people around this show, with.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Joanne and no one can be there.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
They can be in the show.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
It can be there, Seth Rogan can be there, don't
you know how Like Layton Masa can also be that.
No one thought this show was going to work when
they finished filming it because it was such a clusterfuck.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
And then apparently the rough Cup got uploaded to the
Netflix internal server, and the Netflix how do.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
We get on that?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, how do we get on that? We had to
wait for screeners. That's ridiculous. It got uploaded to the
Netflix internal server and apparently all the Netflix staff were
just watching it because they had it to see what
it was, and Kristen Bell said found out that they
were sliding off their chairs because they were so turned
on by the chemistry between them. WHOA do you know
what that means?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Right?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, I do, thank you?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I thin because Kristen Bell's like, do you know what
that means? When she said it, and everyone's like, we
got we got to get we get it more. And
so that's when they knew that, like, oh, that's gonna work.
So the show has to kind of be the chemistry.
And now they've got all these side players, like it's
a very kind of like obviously like the you know,
the sisters kind of create it and they're there and
late Mister is there, who is Adam Brodie's wife. The

(50:19):
actor who plays Gabe is Jackie Tone's boyfriend. So I
was like, in the next season, like how many other couples,
like can we get duck Shepherd in there, can we
get everyone else's partners and the like that, I think
we're That's where I think we're going. So overall, I
can understand why the finale was a little bit of
a letdown for people. But I also just think it's
very hard to do a second season of rom com

(50:41):
because rom coms are usually movies because when the curtain
closes on that final kiss, we're not meant to move
with the couple past the honeymoon Stan.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
You're meant to be guaranteed happily ever after that.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah, the whole point of a rongcom is that we
end on the honeymoon stage. So when that's easy to
do in a movie. So when it's a TV show
and we have to move them away from that, it's
going to be complicated and it's going to stall, and
it's going to have an ending that doesn't feel it
turns into a complex it. It's gonna have an ending
that feels too complex because life is complex.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
That's true, I know.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
And as much as they wanted to make a bubblegum
TV show, at the end of the day, it's like
these two adults who could be in their thirties or forties.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Comedi in the thirteen's forties, could be together, could not
be not be together?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And they're trying to mesh their lives together and there's
no easy answer, but they all they know is that
they love each other. Oh that's why they can kiss.
And then we'll come back in season three and.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Have forgot if they split up again?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Oh my god, No, I think season three is they
just pulled Aaron Foster back one season or so. So
I think this next season will be her converting season three,
and then I think season four and will end with
them getting engaged at the end of season three, and
I think season four the build up to the wedding,
and season four will end with their wedding and then
the show will be over. That's my friction.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Okay, that sounds good. That's good TV.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
There you go, guys, Netflix, I've sorted it for you.

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(52:20):
bye bye Lan