September 19, 2025 • 54 mins
Brace yourself, because in Em's own words - this episode is 90% brutal. We have some very strong words for Belly and the Fisher boys. From the love triangle antics that had us yelling at the screen to the plotlines we couldn’t get enough of (and the ones that… let’s just say, tested our patience), we unpack it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Momma Mia. Welcome to
this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick
and I met Van. Do you want to tell people
(00:33):
what just happened? Or can I get straight into it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Okay, Spillers. Before we start each episode, to sync up
the microphones to the cameras, we have to do a
synchronized clap, so we count down from three. In these
class together books, I was clapping quite close to our mic,
which is quite beautiful, but I scratched my hand and
now my hand hurts, and I think in my sublet.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So if em disappears midway through the episode, you just
hear me monologuing it's because she's left to seek metal attention.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It's just put me in a mood.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
There's such a drama, queen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was so excited for this episode, and we should be.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Excited because wa should we bring it back around and
ignore your pain and suffering. You should be excited because
we have been waiting months and months and months years.
If you go from season one you do this episode,
because this is our brutally honest review of the Summer
I Turn Pretty Season three, The final episode, the final
(01:24):
countdown to the whole song.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Absolutely, first loves are important, but they're not as important
as last. I don't want to look at anything else
now that.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I saw you.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Have you ever been in love once? I don't want
to think of anything else now that I thought you?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What was hall?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I loved him in a way that you can only
really do the first time around. But that's the past.
Jeremiah is my future. This is the way it's supposed
to be. He's the one last Ah, the Summer I
Turned Pretty? What a title? Firstly, really remember the Summer
you Turn Pretty?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm still waiting. I know everyone makes that joke, but
I a one hundred percent I'm still waiting.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I know the Summer I Turned Pretty?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
When was that?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh? What was the catalyst for that?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I turned twenty one?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeap and a hot age? It should be hot age,
as Belly knows.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I think that was just like where I was like,
I can do so many things with these tits.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, that's when you realize they're not a hindrance.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
They're actually when you're like, oh, I actually like these now.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I just would never turn pretty in summer. Like that's
why I left North Queensland where I grew up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I feel like you turn pretty during winter and then
you happen in summer. You know what I mean, that's
what you do.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, No, I look horrendous in summer. So that's my
guess when I say that I'll be going off this
pot soon. I'm joking. Anyway, the Summer I Turn I
Turned Pretty. This is gonna be a wild up strapping guys.
The Summer I Turn Pretty based on Jenni Hahn's best
selling trilogy of the same name. She's also the showrunner
of the season and basically the woman behind this whole
(03:14):
worldwide explosion of Team Conrad Team Jeremiah that we've all
been living through and survived the last couple of months.
We started the third and final season many months ago.
The finale aired on Wednesday night, and we're here to
unpack all of it. Obviously, if you're not across our
really honest reviews, they are packed with spoilers, especially finale,
so just be aware of that. So Emily, Yes, we
(03:37):
start off the first episode of season three with Belly
and Jeremiah firmly ensconced in their relationship. Yeah, how are
you feeling in that moment?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was feeling actually really good about the first episode
because I feel like throughout all of the last two
seasons of the summer, I turned pretty We've just seen
Belly like being this love triangle between Conrad and Jeremiah,
And we knew that Belly was in a massive relationship
with Conrad in high school and then that didn't end
(04:10):
to well for either of them, But we've never actually
seen on TV her being in a relationship. Yes, it
was always like either coming out of a relationship and
we were seeing kind of like flashbacks of what it
was like. Yeah, we never actually got a storyline relationship
with her until the first episode of this season.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh okay. I hadn't actually thought of it that way
because in my mind, this girl has never been single.
But you're right, we're seeing it all in flashbacks and
like little fragments of the relationship starting. So and then
we have a time jump, which I thought was interesting
is that we see her getting to college and you
can see Laurel is just like, please don't go to
college with that boy who's basically your brother attached to you.
(04:47):
But they stay together for the four years of college,
and then we're coming into Jeremiah's final year and we
kind of see where all the pieces of this puzzle
have landed. So we have Jeremiah and Belly have stayed
together all through college. Not great for them. Jeremiah then
finds out that he can't graduate on time. Classic Jeremiah,
Classic Jeremiah. As Adam would say, yeah, as Adam would say,
(05:08):
oh my god, I'm doing that thing where I'm now
via or I aside with the parents. I'm like, Adam
is like right to be disappointed in Jeremiah, and Laurel
is right to say they shouldn't get married.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Laurel is on my favorite Jaxanna's the.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Only outlier here telling these kids to do wild thing
from the gage. She just loves watching the well burned
because she loves watching the mess. Stephen and Taylor, we
find out, have been broken up for a while and
are both in relationships, but secretly hooken up and they've.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Been having an on again up again. That's very messy,
and neither of them are admitting their true feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Having a secret affair which in any other team romance
would make them the villains. But in this story, this
messed up little world of the summer I term pretty
that we live in makes them our favorite actual slow
Burn romance.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I actually really like their relationships.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And Conrad has just removed himself from the situation Conrad,
which is doing medical Yeah, he's busy becoming a doctor.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
God doesn't make your doctor look like that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I actually think it would be quite dangerous to
have him as a doctor, because Conrad constantly, even when
he is so happy, has a look on his face
that he's about to deliver ever stating news. Even when
he tells Bellie he loves her, he looks like he's
telling her that she has a terminal illness. So if
that was your doctor, every time you came him around
the corner, you'd be like, I'm dying. That man is
about to deliver bad news. And he just has resting,
(06:24):
sad NewSpace.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He has resting, sad NewSpace. That is so so true.
He also makes a lot of mistakes, which.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I'm also he's also ruled by his emotions. For someone
who doesn't say a lot, yeah, he's probably should be yearning.
He's a yearn he's a yearner, But think about a
yearner is eventually you've either got to make a move
or go and yearn after something else.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yes, what do you think is the best thing to
yearn after?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
The first thing to yearn after? Say?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, saying you don't have a crush going on here,
but you missed the idea of yearning. What would you
yearn after?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'm thinking of Quinton Bronson on the Emmy's Red Carpet
saying she dreams of rest. I dream of being alone
in my home or alone on a beach somewhere. I
yearn for loneliness. I'm surrounded by people so much.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh my god, that I yearn for ocean.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You hate the beach.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I hate beach.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I like ocean. Oh that's right. You want an ocean
filled with no animals.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
My ideal ocean would be the full ocean with just
like a concrete floor and no animals in the ocean.
Like I basically want a big pool, but with like
fresh salt water.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I feel like they do have those somewhere anyway, Speaking
of ocean, I'm desperately trying to keep us on track.
Speaking of ocean, no one has been back to the
cousin's beach house. No one's been bad, that's right, they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's a bit too sad after it's a bit.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Too sad to Susandam's passing. Also the whole Belly and
Conrad situation. But we do find out that Belly and
Conrad had a bit of a secret hookup over Christmas
in the cousin's house. They did well, they had and
they didn't even talk to each other had you know how,
like you emotionally cheat on someone, it's worse than physically cheating.
They have an emotional hookup.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I don't even think they did that. You know what
they did, They had a relationship, a non physical relationship
in that house for that one day. Like the scenes
from that moment of them being in the cousin's house
together without realizing they were going to be there together
over Christmas was so typical of the most comfortable relationship,
like her just being on her laptop watching a movie,
(08:30):
him just sitting on the couch doing the cross words,
like being comfortable in each other's silences and still being together.
I think that was so well done because it just
showed how comfortable they would be if they were in
a relationship together.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yes, it kind of shows even though they didn't do anything.
That's the whole thing of true intimacy. Light is like
the person I always think the most romantic thing I've
ever heard is this podcaster I Love saying that when
she met her husband, she felt like she was alone.
And when she says that, she means that she's so
comfortable in their home together with him, that it's the
same comfort she's felt being alone. And I can't say
that's the only reason I'd fall in.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Love with someone. Was there, Caroline o'dnna here, No, it.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Was Pandora psychs Oh yeah, a Hilo.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh my god, God, that's such a good statement.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So that's what I kind of thought. You're right about
them being in the house together. They had that comfort together.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So but he did pick her up from the ground
when she I think that's Jenny harn loves a fall.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Oh does she?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah? She loves she loves having her like female characters
just be on the ground in the most perfect way.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You need a link to that. What's your reference to.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
All the boys I loved before? Okay, yes, yes, we're
Lara Jean just like faints and like her hairs in
like the most perfect pony Gail. And then Peter Kruminski
is like hovering over her, and she I think she
falls a few times. And then also Kitty and Exo
Kitty falls.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I think it's in her heart Jenny Hart, and
she said women love fall in beautiful ways. Well, yes,
women fall in beautiful ways, which is classic rom com
trope and a classic old school Hollywood of the clumsy fall. Yeah. Again,
anyone who grew up watching rom coms loves the clumsy
yet beautiful heroine. So I don't fall like that though
if I fall, I would like crash into crush everyone
around me.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I felt recently and it was quite awkward, very
sad looking.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
In real life, it's not sexy. It's not just like
I don't caught in the radio the name like in
a rom com romantic.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
In real life, we need Jenny Hard to teach us.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, so we're sort of seeing where all these puzzle
pieces are. I'm really trying to keep us on trying.
I need this to be an unhinded episode. And of
course all this the whole Christmas thing and a few
bumps in Jeremiah and Belly's friendship leads them to taking
something that rom coms and TV shows have taught us
is always a bad idea going on a bit of
(10:39):
a break but not establishing the rules before the break
where she thinks they're sort of still together and he
thinks that they are broken off, and so he acts out.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He acts out to someone else.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What's her name? They say it so many times, Lacey Baron.
That's right because when Stephen finds out, he says.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
He's like lazy Barone. He cheating on her with lazy Baron.
Who the fuck is lazy Barone?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I mean they did make Lazy bron out to be
a villain because remember the party, she's saw a villain?
Yeah no, but they kind of make her out that way.
The party is like she's gossiping about it, and that's
how Belly finds out. In another story, Lacey Brone is
the hero and she falls in love with this guy,
only to find out he's in love with the girl
he's about to propose to.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Because I would watch the Summer Return Pretty season one
and two going oh my god, I wish I was Belly,
And then we got season three and I was like,
I'm lazy Barone wasn't sure I'd be lazy Barone. Sometimes
everyone hates I'm like, I had sex with a single man,
what do you want from me?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And twice it wasn't like it was a mistake. You
didn't twice. I want to know. I want the Summer returns,
pretty spin off Storry lazy Borone, because that's happened to
all of it at some stage. Do you think you're
in a love story only to find out you're actually
a footnote in someone else's love story? You know what?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Lazy Baron should have ended all of these weddings.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Maybe she'll show up in the movie. Should get the.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Cousin, the keys to the cousins, the cousins.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
When the movie comes out. If it's Belly and Comrade's wedding,
Jeremiah shows up to the wedding with Lacey Baron.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
With oh, no plot. She shows up to the wedding
with Adam.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh great, Oh my god, Cradmi, please call you finish
the script because I know both Conrad and Jeremiah will
be annoyed with that, and also Belly. Yeah, and that's
what I seen. It will be like who is that?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's like, who's lazy Pop Bryan, some won't tell me.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
What were your thoughts when you watch the breakup scene
with Jeremiah and Belly knowing it wasn't gonna last.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But still, Yeah, it was very high school for me,
which I mean they've only just come out of high school.
So basically what happens is they're at this party, this
house party. They both had a few drinks. She finds
out that lazy Barone hooked up with Jeremiah when Jeremiah
and her were on a break when he was in Carbo. Yeah,
(12:53):
it's a really good pr marketing scheme for Carbo, because
I really want to go now with someone then hook
up with someone I told as Jeremiah. And she finds
that out, she confronts him. They have a big argument
in the front yard.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
She slaps him, and her just stressed. Lola Tongue's acting
here is so, oh my god, amazing because her distress
and like the way it vibrates through her and she
was like wailing. She was, Yeah, yeah, you can really
feel like when you had that first proper big heartbreak,
you feel like that moment for her, it's worse than
when she had her breakup with Conrad. Yeah, because even
(13:26):
though she heat at the end of the day, is
her like true love. She'd been with Jermia at this
point for years and so, and it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Just a heartbreak, it was a full betrayaling. That betrayal
and like seeing a character assassination happening before you, I
think was so pointed as seeing that as such a
young person as well, because I've always feels like something
that I've seen like happened to like women in rom coms,
like a bit later in life, not like so so
early on, where like the stakes us feel so much higher,
(13:55):
and like she's getting this absolute betrayaler. And not just
because she was in a relationship with him, but because
she knew him as a kid. So it's like knowing
someone and thinking you know everything about them and then
doing something that you had no idea they were capable
of even doing.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, And especially because it's also the loss of like
that childhood kind of innocence and safety that she had.
That's always been the extra layer of heartbreak with this
whole love triangle of Belly with the Fisher Boys, is
that every time she has a breakup or they have
like a fracture relationship or any time, it essentially doesn't
just end a relationship, it pulls their family apart. And
(14:28):
in that moment, she thinks she's breaking out with Jeremiah
in that moment for good, and that's her last tie
to the Fisher family that's like her family because she's
a strange from Conrad. She's not gonna call Adam off
to hang out. Susanna's passed away, and so it's like
the severing of a family tie, which I think is
why towards the end of the season, when the wedding
doesn't happen, when Jeremiah has that anguish in the car
(14:50):
and says like, I love you Laurel when she's getting out,
and it's like, yeah, every time your kids break up,
you essentially lose a parent or you lose because he
was losing Laurel in his family, and why you don't
date your kind of sibling, don't date.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Your cousin's guys. Yeah, And even in that moment when
she says, like during that like heated moment where she's
like wailing and she says, you know, I've only been
with one other person, and he straightaway gets broad back
to reality and he was just like, yeah, I know, yeah,
but it's my brother.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, exactly. It's so interesting too, the whole dynamic between
them because it's been changed so much from the books.
And that's all Jenny Hahn trying to not just make
Belly a different character from the books, but she wanted
to make it clear from the very beginning that she
was always going to choose Conrad because in the books,
Belly doesn't lose her virginity to either of them.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Instead, they had that flashback sequence where you see Belly
lose her virginya to Conrad, and Jenny harn did that
very specifically so that people would know that she would
always choose him first when given the option, and that
she kind of wanted to bring it full circle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I didn't really agree with that though. Really I felt
like it was too picture perfect having her have sex
with Conrad before Jeremiah, whereas, like, I feel like, more realistically,
it would be her having sex with Jeremiah first because
because they were older, yeah, a little older and together longer,
and then still end up with Conrad. What I didn't
(16:15):
really like about this whole season was I was expecting
this real push and pull between the two brothers. Yeah,
and right from episode one, because the cheating happened in
episode one. Yeah, you're immediately on Team Conrad, and you're
on Team Conrad for the whole season. Literally everyone I've
talked to, I haven't met a single Team Jeremiah person
from the season.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, because people who are Team Jeremiah, what they actually
mean is I like him, not I think he's going
to end up with him.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, it's like I like him, and I feel like
I think it should have been done in a way
where we still see Jeremiah as like a great person
and a great option, and I think that he was
just made so unlikable and so meme like that, Like
it wasn't like a Team Edward team Jacobs situation where
it was like there was both good qualities and bad
(17:01):
qualities from each person, so every woman was literally fifty
to fifty, whereas like right now, in this last season,
it was very much obvious that they wanted Conrad to win,
so I think they were scared to gamble with Jeremiah
also being a winner.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, that's so true. I mean I think I mean again,
I've been canceled for saying this, but I'll say it again.
Especially in the last episode. I think Jeremiah has a
lot of points of redemption throughout this season, but they're
not points of redemption that they're making him the main
love interest. They're points of redemption that you're supposed to
see him as like the valiant of Cider who at
the end of the day stepped aside for his brother
(17:33):
and his true love and then he was never meant
to be with Belly. But you're right, Jenny Hahn from
the beginning, but especially towards the end of season two
through season three, really wanted everyone to know that she
was team Conrad, because after Conrad sees Jeremiah and Belly
kissing for the first time post their breakup in the book,
they all do get in the car together, but Conrad
ignores them both and won't talk, and so in the
(17:56):
book you're kind of meant to think, like, oh, he's
just out of it, but in the TV show he's
kind of like nagging them both a little bit and
like calling them out on it and being very vocal.
And Jenny Hahn herself has said she's like, I wanted
you to know from that moment that he was never
being aside. He was never at the picture he's still
in the game and he's not going to let it go.
So the whole way through she was like planting, not
(18:16):
even like in a secret way. They weren't in an easter,
just like literally slapping you across the face.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
She does that so well where she was able to
fully analyze what audiences took from each scene in her
book and make sure that like the emotions and the
feeling she wanted replicated had to be changed to see
it visually in the actual series. And I think that
car scene where he's like a bit drunk and like
making fun of them and stuff was like so different
(18:42):
to what his quote unquote normal persona is.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, So from then on, we're gonna kind of
follow this string through. From then on we have Steven's
car accident again. I also loved how they just made.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Even had a bad rap, but I only was like,
get injured in the car accident and get yelled at.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah. But then at the end he gets the girl
and the business, and actually he came out of it
quite well. If we're doing scorecards on where everyone is,
he came out of this whole show like shining on
a huge character in the books. They obviously, like really
wrote him up to be in the TV series and
made his character more fleshed out, and I think his
relationship with Taylor actually has I actually think Steven and
(19:21):
Taylor have way more chemistry than Bellie does with Jeremiah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I agree. And I also think Taylor's character development in
this season was the best out of all the other characters.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Absolutely, like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Think she is one of the best characters in this show.
I didn't really get on with her, like she's my
friends in the first two seasons, and I think she
was very much a side character, especially in season one,
and she would just like come to the Cousin's beach
when she was free. And then in season three, this
final one, she actually got so much more screen time
than the previous two seasons, and her just being that
(19:55):
like adult in that group of friends was just so important,
Like her having to be Belly's mom when Bellie's mom
wasn't there for the wedding, her having to be her
mom's mom to like look after her finances, her having
to be so in tune with her emotions to know
when she can be with Stephen and when she can't,
Like it was such a mature character to play, and
(20:16):
I think she was able to be that kid in
season one and two and was able to then just
transition into being an adult and season three, and I
think that was done really well.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah. Agree. I think sometimes with Belly and Taylor, like
Belly sometimes suffers from like a classic main girl syndrome
where she's a bit of an audience insert so like
you're supposed to be able to insert yourself into her
world and you're almost picture yourself being her so that
things happen to those characters that don't make things happen,
whereas the side character is there to bring the storyline,
(20:45):
the drama, so they often become the more interesting one,
the one who gets to have the bigger storylines and
the one who grows the most. And we see that
like in the OC with Summer Marissa. We've seen in
One Tree Hill with Peyton and Brook, Like, there's so
many times like that where sometimes the main girl has
to become a bit of the damsel on distress and
gossip girl. Yeah, and gossip girl exactly like Blair over
(21:05):
Serena becomes the more interesting character. It's because they get
to have an art more so than the main girls.
Always just tormented, I wish we had more of Taylor.
Wish we had like her across more seasons of being
a mainish character.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Because this last season. Also, if you just took out
all the scenes with Connor and Jeremiah just showed their friendship.
Bellie is not a good friend to Taylor.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, Like I would hate to be her friend. She's chaotic.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, she's chaotic, and she kind of does sometimes. Isn't
there for Taylor. It's the way that Belly's there for her,
the same way that Taylor is there for Belly. And
even though she doesn't agree with the whole getting married thing,
she just after her initial shock at the news, she
just throws herself into being the world's best made of honor,
despite the fact that she doesn't think the wedding should
be happening. And as someone who's also done that in
real life, that's freaking hard to do to be like,
(21:53):
let me cheer on this wedding. You should be marrying
this guy, but let me cheer you on like it's
a huge thing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And even just going to be with her in Paris
and stuff for New Year'sy for like one night.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I think she was there for I mean again, Paris
Paras is.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Fine, but I mean like she loves her with her
whole heart, and I think you really saw that through
this final season, and I was like, this is an
uneven friendship.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Do you think moving on to like when they've had
the whole Like they're getting engaged and they're designed we
to tell everyone they're going to Susanna's memorial at Cousins Beach.
That that was the right time to tell the family
about their engagement.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Absolutely not. That was insane. And then she held up
her finger and she's like, look, I'm like, no one
can see your ring. What are you showing them? Adam
was so confused. Laurel was so fuming. Yeah, because we
were already angry at that. So they had the memorial.
That was fine, But then they had that family dinner
at that restaurant that Laurel was like, I'm gonna pay for.
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So we were already as an audience angry because Laurel
just says she's paying, and then Adam orders a surfer
and the seafood.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Everyone really thought he was a crazy villain for that,
But I don't think I was that bad. That was horrible.
What do you mean if you look at that screenshot
of the menus that everyone was passing around, like there's
only like a thirty dollar difference between like what Saint
Conrad ordered and what Jeremiah ordered, and Laurel said she
was pain on forced her hand. No, thirty dollars is
a lot of I know, I'm saying, but once you're
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already paying for like a five hundred dollars dinner, what's
extra a couple of hundred? Okay, obviously I'm team Laurel
and the whole show. I can't stress that enough. I'm
on that woman's side. But I just think that that
wasn't quite the huge villainous reveal that people thought it was.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, not gonna lie. Adam is also one of
my fair characters.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I actually sometimes quite agree with that.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I quite agree with that in my life.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's like, these children shouldn't be allowed to behave Like, yeah,
he is a messy bitch.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The fact that he's holding on to Jeremiah and Belly's
wedding champagne brings out it every opportunity, even in places
that don't require champagne at all.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Him walking over to her mother's grave start in her funeral.
He's like, champagne from your wedding, but you didn't have.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I know, I'm not invited to the dinner, but I
bought champagne from your wedding.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's so funny with the ring thing,
because Jenny Hahn just said that she did not expect
that to blow up the way it did, of him
having such a time ring and of.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Him musing the wiring of his glasses to make a ring.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Hey, that ring has a little diamond in it. The
one he gets it couldn't see it. It's pretty small.
If you get right in there, you can see it.
But I think that it's fair what Jenny harm was saying.
She's like, if he had a big ring, everyone be like,
where did he get the money? Fat? He doesn't have
the money. Fair if a college student who yes, comes
from a very rich family. But he's as we found it, lady.
He's also maxed out some credit cards even the ring,
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though he definitely didn't he makes down all those looxie
pools out over the season, but.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Then also him getting the tiniest, tiniest ring and then
going let's go apartment shopping.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, but that's because they were homeless.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, but they weren't really like they were in Adam's house.
She's just messy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, what did you think about that? That's when a
lot of people weirdly started to turn on Belly because they're.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Like, no, I turned on her from the beginning, the beginning.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You would never teen Belly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I've never teen Belly.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Oh, come on, don't even know the thing is about Bell?
You don't want a bad friend.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
She doesn't know how to date people.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No siblings. She doesn't know how to date people who
want the Fisher Boys.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It doesn't matter they people know siblings. She's so mean
to her mum.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, she doesn't know how to clean her hair.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't think she knows her dad's name. I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, actually, what is that man's name? Yeah? What? I'm
not wasting my brain space on that.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm not sorry guy much. We're not even gonna look
it up.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
No, I you know, well, I can't put if I
put that into my head, and another important fact's gonna
fall out.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That also what happened to Skuy who do you remember sky?
In season two?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Again, that was not in the books, And there's a
reason why, because that was boring as hell.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, do you think that was them trying to see
there will be a spin off show and cousins maybe,
and then they didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I just think when they did that thing for strangers, think.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
They needed a bigger storyline in Villain in season two
because in the book it's Adam trying to sell the house,
and I think that they needed to kind of flesh
out a bit more. So they introduced Poorkysedgewick didn't know
she was going to be the most hated woman on TV.
Everyone usually loves her.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Doing the most to lift this on my tent pretty
season too off the grap.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Become the World. I mean, that was a terrible season.
Let's just be honest. But Conrad does reference Aunt Julia
at one stage just to make the connection, just to
make the connection, they just say I think they say
one stage, Oh, Sky and Julia are said they can't
come to the wedding, and I was like, they were just.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Not because they didn't have the budget.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah they're not paying those guests.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, no, no, they had to put all that money
into Jeremiah's ring. Yeah, can't be inviting family to the wedding.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So we have the engagement announcement, and from then we
see Belly's estrangement from her family. And again that's the
point when Jeremiah comes into the house and explains to Laurel,
brings her flowers and sits her down and tries to
explain why he wants to marry Belly, and he's very
calm and adult and very kind about it. I know
the bar is so low for men, but that's where
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it is. That was the first point where I was like,
maybe I'm team Jeremiah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Right okay, because that whole like blowout with Laurel and Belly,
it was so intense and that kind of all so
made me a bit like, I'm not sure if this
is real, like real real me because I'm from an
Asian household. If I spoke to my mom like that,
if I was twenty twenty one and I went to
(27:24):
my mom, she was swearing at her. Mum. Yeah, she
was like fuck you, and then like left and was
like I'm gonna go be with this boy. My mom
would chain me to my bed and keep me there
till I was forty like that is literally, And then
when I was looking I was like, this is not
the Asian household.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
This is not it. It's like interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I think it was one of those things because the
show was so so massive and Jenny harn is so
good at inclusion and using like diverse characters. But I
think you also have to gamble with what would the
western I storyline be in this situation, And that was
a very much westernized mother daughter storyline playing out that
just wasn't realistic to the Asian culture and like the
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Asian TVs and shows that I've seen, and I thought
that was a bit of a like, oh, it just
felt like a way out, like a cheap way to
have a fight.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, you think it should have been You think that
not even Laurel telling her to leave. That doesn't fit either.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It doesn't fit at all. Like that is not something
that I would say.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Those things where sometimes you have to mess things up
a little bit just get your characters to where they
needed to be.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And I also feel like they've already had to Like
was it season two where she was like camping out
in the house without telling Laura and they had a
massive fight and Laurel slaps her. Oh yeah, yeah, Like
that was a realistic like mother daughter fight to me,
Like I was like they made it so so real,
and I felt like they didn't need to do that
again for season three, Like I just felt like it
was an unnecessary fight. I think what Laurel's character was
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so good at is like being that mum where she
loves Jeremiah and loves Conrad but doesn't want to see
her daughter like waste away in a relationship. And the
way she even said to her ex husband, yeah, where
she was like, I don't regret marrying you. I regret
marrying at such a young age and losing myself in
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a relationship that's.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Such a young catalyst the whole time for her not
to Yeah. But also I think there's always something where
like I think, who Laurel is really angry at but
she can't be angry because she's dead, is Susanna because
that's her best friend and soulmate, and she essentially set
up their children to be together in some way and
always really pushed that, and I think Laurel was never
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super on board with that. But now it's happened and
now they're all called to this website.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It was always Susanna saying stuff like that, but in
the flashbacks, Laurel never said stuff like.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
That because she's probably like, what do you mean my
daughter's going to marry one of your sons?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
My daughters ate it like it's crazy, very.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Creepy arranged marriage vibes creepy and.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Even the way like in the flashbacks with Susannah where
like she gives Belly her own room in the cousin's
beach house and like she's talking to her like as
if she is her daughter, and Laura just in the
kitchen cooking. Yeah, like this is really weird vibes.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I might definitely understand her looking at her as
a daughter. It's her looking as a daughter who's definitely
going to marry one of her sons. And again, I
think the fact they were all raised as siblings is
never really brought up enough.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, So then we get into the depths of planning
the wedding and we see Laurel not want to go
wedding dress shopping.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I found that part realistic, as like the mum of
someone who's really young getting married where where they don't
want to be involved at all or they're like as
like I think it's like the last hope, right of
saying I'm not coming to your wedding as the last hope,
like she won't have this wedding if I don't come.
Yeah yeah, and then eventually she has to.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Give in, knowing that she has to Channelean into it.
But this is also where we start seeing the seeds
be laid for people turning more against Jeremiah because he
becomes a bit of a groomzilla. What is it the
double tear chocolate cake with raspberry Cooley. Yeah, he's like,
we have the cake or the weddings off.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, He's like, that's the one thing I wanted, Ellie.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
And that's so interesting because doesn't a lot of that
happen in the episode we get from Conrad's perspective.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he hits his narration.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, it's like, what have I done? Yeahs interesting. That
is the first episode that Jenny Hahn directed. Oh and
the reason she did that is she said that Conrad
is such an internal character, like we're never really meant
to know what's going on in his mind.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
He does a lot of like silent actings.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yes, a lot of silent acting, a lot of I
don't know if that act is doing it on purpose
or if he's just dead behind the.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Ear Yeah, a lot of like looking around.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, but you're meant to think that there's a whole
part of his mind that we never get access to.
So when it came time to let him have his
moment of him telling his side of the story, Jenny
Hahn was like, I'm going to step up and direct
for the first time because I need to be the
one to handle this, like essentially, because she created that character,
she's the only one who could tell his story and
have his POV. Which led to her directing, which is
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a great episode.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And that episode was the best episode of the season.
It's just Belly and Conrad together and he's just helping
her with like all of the chores and tar she
has to do to get ready for the wedding because
Jeremiah is now working for his dad. Yes, And that's
where we.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Also get Strikes again.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Adam strikes again and again introduced to Yeah, and we
find out that Adam's in a relationship with Kaylee, who
is a woman he cheated on Susannah with and she's
much younger than years.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I actually thought a bit bad for Kaylee because I
feel like she was just weirdly groomed by her boss.
When she was so young, when she had an affair
with Adam, probably not knowing that his wife had.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
This whole wedding unpaid.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, and then he's basically like, hey, let's get together.
I'm not like he was maybe hot ten years ago.
He's now just a creepy old dude who made her
plan his son's wedding and then apparently like wasn't like
nice to her parents. There's some unlying story there, and
I'm so glad she broke up with him.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Imagine hooking up with your boss thinking you're going to
get a promotion, and yet you get a wedding to.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Me and you had to plan a wedding and you
walk into that room and the mother of the bride
and everyone else hates you. And then you have to
put up with this creepy man child who's only caring
about how much money he spent on champagne.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
And then after the wedding you go home to like
your sharehouse with all the girls. Yeah, and then you're like, guys,
these kids are insane. Yeah, this girl was dating this brother,
but then she's marrying this brother. But now she told
that brother that she loves him and she'll always love him,
and now the whole thing's off. And I put in
a lot of effort into the water.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I planned that wedding and they didn't even go. Those
spoiled brats. Oh my god. The debrief with Kaylie and
her friends when she got back to her I just
got a physical pang that I missed that and not
even real people.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I want a deep no. And guess what what one
of her housemaids is, Lady.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I have to say the same thing. Please, can we
have a spin off with Kaylee and Lady Bone? We
need that vengeful.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
The summer we killed two brothers, the summer we murdered
a family rap.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
The Fisher brothers. Oh my god, that's a story of want.
Of her pulling her suitcase up a six flight walk
up to go back to her share apartment and be like,
dating the old guy was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
She has all the wedding champagne, and now the dad
wants a champagne back.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Leading into the wedding, we have the rehearsal dinner and
the wedding rehearsal itself, And that's the moment that everyone
was screening, shodding and trying to find secret clues because
it looked like Taylor was potentially getting married.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It also people thought it was a flash forward to
Conrad and Belly's wedding, but I actually quite like the
way it played out. I mean, again, the whole thing
about the Summer I Turn pretty season three is we're
watching a show where we know the ending, essentially, like
even if you hadn't read the book, you know where
this is going. So we're just we're not watching it
to find out what happens. We're watching to find out
how it happened.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, And the wedding was I think so well done
because it was so casual, yeah, and like simple, and
then in the background all of this chaos was happening.
I think the biggest takeaway from that wedding is how
everyone hated Taylor's wet hair.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Look. Yeah, well, I'm so modress.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
In the next episode where I continued her hair wasn't
a butN.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, because someone was like, don't cut the hairs. Everyone's like,
her mom's a hairdresser, and then her hair looks like
being a stroga caught in the rate.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
On the other day, I imagine her mom's saying that
it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It was a lot. So we have the break up scene,
which is everything I mentioned. It would be not in
a good way. It kind of feel like it needed
to happen, But it's still that moment where Jeremiah is
realizing that even if he does get her down the
aisle and she was willing to go, that she'd never
actually love him.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, and we found out about like Christmas and like
he we found out that he knew about the Christmas thing.
What I found in that conversation was like what Jeremiah
was saying to her was actually quite fair. Yeah, Like
he was like, I can't like do this, like you're
still in love with my brother, Like I can't do it.
And even in her in a monologue where she says,
I know that if I say I still want to
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get married, he will marry me. And I'm like that
is so true. Yeah, Like you could literally say that
each like this girl could like tell each brother at
any time in her life, I want to marry you,
and they would exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And to her credit, she does not abuse that power.
Does that make you like him already still hate her?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
No, I don't hate her like you hate her.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You just listened to all the reasons before you hated her.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Again, maybe we all see a little bit.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I would have just lied and been like no, I
don't like him, or just.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
To get through the weddings expen it's such.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
An expensive wedding. Your mom just got around it. I
know she's not going to be able to get married
ever again. Now well she can't.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's gonna happen. Wait for the movie. But no, No,
you can't walk down the aisle towards someone. I know
people do it every day, but I feel like you
can't walk down the aisle to marry someone if you're like,
I don't actually want to marry you. Yes, you care,
and I think that you shouldn't. History has taught us,
and pop culture and the Kardashians has taught us that
you shouldn't get you shouldn't do it, but you can.
You can do it. You can. So what did you
think of her heading to the airport to Paris.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I thought that was a good decision.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I saw like kind of the conversation around it being
like she's crazy, No one would do that. And I
actually think in that moment, because in that moment, you're like,
what can I do to make this like I haven't
fucked up my life? What can I do? And the
whole thing about her choosing not to go to Paris
was such a huge thing, and she was essentially saying
goodbye to her dreams, her independence, the life she could
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have had, and choosing to marry this boy and live
in a little shitty apartment because he had bad credit.
And so it was almost like she had this chance
to do a make good but time was of the
essence because she had to get on the plane then.
So I actually thought it made a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It's also that thing where you do something so so embarrassing,
like so humiliating, that you just need to leave the country.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, and I wanted to do that so many times.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
She physically did that, Like no one in the world
has done something more embarrassing than what she did.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Ahi Emily, So she physically had to leave the country.
And I know there was also so much talking about
Conrad being in the airport. They're like, oh, he's taking
a domestic flight and she was taking international flight. They
shouldn't have been the same airport, and that, I say,
let the story happen.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Also to that, I say, American apples are crazy, Yeah,
like they're actually insane. That actually is another realm possible,
It's very much real. So this is the time I've
related to Belly the most, when she gets to Paris,
not only because she's messed up, well not she has
messed up that poor guy who I think lost his
job over this. She's not in the program.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
He messed up.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
He messed up.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
The most I've ever related to Belly Cochlin is when
she is just you have this idea of going to
this place where you're going to be a new person.
I think we all have this when we travel, especially
when we travel for the first time in our twenties,
where you think, I'm going to get to Paris, I'm
going to be so like together and mysterious and sexy,
and my life's going to look like this, And the
reality is that you're dragging your suitcase and your backpack
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around those freaking cobbled, hard to navigate streets. Wheel yeah,
and your wheels are breaking, and you're tired, and you're
dirty and you look gross. No one likes you and
no one wants you there. And you go into a
cafe and like even just ordering like a sandwich or
a coffee is so hard and you feel stupid, and
then you would let your stuff be stolen from your table.
And I also had mad respect for her when she
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chased that guy down.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I okay. The Paris episodes were my favorite episodes
in the entire series, and I was so nervous to
them because they were the episodes that happened after the
books finished. So the books finished, and then we do
get two more episodes, which are the Paris episodes. Yes,
I thought they were done so so well. Well, it's
the first time we're seeing Belly so vulnerable, like out
(39:13):
of a safe blade. And I think it's exactly what
you said, so telling to the idea that so many people,
if their life is like gone to shits, like absolutely
having the worst worst time, they can't bear living in
their life anymore. So they go overseas to start again,
and you expect it to be better because your life
was so shit, and yet it's worse, and that's exactly
what she experienced exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, it's it's they're so well done. I wish we'd
had six more episodes of this version of Belly and this.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
One, but I was so scared we were going to
get an Emily in Paris. Oh yeah, well you get
to Paris and everything's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah. I mean, look, Emily's had her own struggles.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Okay, but the essence of Emily in Paris is like
you go to Paris and everything's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, and you meet a hoot guy. Yeah. Where it's like.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
All those things.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It's just that she works a shitty job.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
She works a shitty job. But even like she did
all of those things, but you can tell she's still
not happy, like she's still struggling through it. She's still
getting gray. I mean, she gets her beautiful apartment.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, and I don't know how she got so many
people Again, viewers are really angry about that. How could
she have that beautiful apartment? And that I say, stop policing.
How women in rom comms and TV shows afford their
beautiful homes? They just can.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I think we just don't like it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Why does she get that? And I don't I know.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
But also that's the fantasy element.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And I'm looking into another apartment.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, I think Emily in Paris's apartment is the most
realistic that you'd have two girls sharing a studio apartment
in Paris. What I wanted to at the Paris episodes
is that Jenny Hahn always knew when she started this
TV show, from the very first episode, that she was
going to have these Paris episodes at the end.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do you think Benita was necessary?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, I think they need to show her having other
romance and even showing her just having sex with someone
else that wasn't just the Fisher Boys. And I think
that was part of Jenny Harn's kind of master plan
all along. It is like, she's not a freak. I promise, Yeah,
it's fine, it's fine. In the book, she goes to
Spain for a short overseas trip. So Jenny Harn wanted
to change it to Paris basically because she wanted to
go to Paris mad respect She's like, I'm gonna make
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this work for me. But also she was laying so
many easter eggs all through the series, like Belly reading
the Hunger Games in French. Even the name of the
book will always have Summer is a nod to the
famous line from Casablind Cub will always have Paris. And
there's all these nods all the way through it. And
so Jenny Harn basically said that she basically backed Prime
Video into a corner. She's like, the storyline won't make
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sense unless she goes to Paris, because I've been breadcrumbing
it all the way through, and that's why they had
to have her there.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
What I've really liked about the first episode we see
of her in Paris where she can't speak French that well, yeah,
I think it was so tellable. I think, yeah, literally,
I think it was so telling to show that we
learned through the series that she's been learning French and
taking French as andletive throughout her high school, so she's
meant to be really good at it. Yeah, and then
it kind of shows that, like you visibly see how
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she lost herself in her relationship with Jeremiah by like
physically forgetting how to speak a language that you spent
years learning and getting to France and realizing you can't
acally speak it.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, it's like almost like the French language fell out
of her head because she shut the door to that
because she thought you would. She thought she never goes. Oh.
So then we come in getting into the end. Now
all the excitement of the final episode, so we have
two dual storylines happening here, one is happening at the
cousin's beach house, which is so important that we had
that story device of the dinner thing being canceled and
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then having to go and have this big final moment
in the beach house, which I thought was beautiful and
also very important that Belly and Conrad weren't there. What
did you think of Jeremiah's I want to say Brooklyn
Beckham journey of deciding he wasn't going to follow in
his dad's footsteps, he was going to become a chef.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, I quite liked it.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I did too.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I think he deserves like a happy ending. Like I know,
everyone takes a piss out of him and doesn't like
how he treated Belly in their relationship. It's so weird
because I feel like we see Belly as like someone
that we put ourselves into, and we're like, we would
not like to have a relationship like that with someone
like Jeremiah. But I'm like he loved her. He was
just a different kind of love. Yeah, and it wasn't
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the love that she needed exact her personal growth, but
it could be the love that Denise needs.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Okay, let's get on too, So I actually loved him
being a little chef.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I feel like they had TikTok famous sexy chef.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah exactly. That Actually, with the way that boy looks,
that's so fits. That's so tracks that Taylor would do
that for him to stop his.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Eyes from it was nice every time a scene him
comes along, like jump scared, oh my god, turn the
light stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I loved him having a skill. I loved him using
his hands instead of just being a pretty boy, a
pretty boy, NEPO baby in his dad's office. So we
liked that. The Denise storyline I did not love because
very rushed, very unearned. Because I love an unexpected love story.
It's my absolute favorite.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
She goes from being like a bully to being their
best friend.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, I kind of liked that for her. I actually
thought she and Steven had more chemistry. They had a
lot of chemistry. But I also didn't love that they
weren't together.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I also think Steven has chemistry with everyone.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, he just does. He's a chemistry feel boy. We
love him. I felt that it was a rush to
tie a book up.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Again.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's almost like the music stopped and they were the
two without chairs and they had to just get on
the chair together kind of vibe. So yeah, I thought
that was a missed opportunity. That's the one criticism I'll
say of Jenny Hahn's world building and storytelling is that
I felt that that could have been a great moment
for an unexpected love story, which is my fave, a
bit of an enemy's to lovers, which is also my faith. Instead,
it just felt like they were brother and sister, brother
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and sister all the way through, and then all of
a sudden in the kitchen, he was just so happy
his dessert worked out that he wanted to kiss her.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
His chocolate mud cake. Maybe he definitely got from Will.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
This isn't the worst thought. It's because they were living
together as brother and sister, and and he lived like
that with Belly, so he just transferred. He can only
fall in love with that.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
He can only fall in love with people he sees
first as a sister. Jenny Hahns said it.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
There's no way, okay, that both of them are so
good looking and hot. Yeah, there is no way they
slept in spread beds that whole time they were living.
Apparently they did. Their children.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I have such curly hair anyway, So we leave them there.
I'm actually so glad we're getting the movie because I
just I'm gonna go out and a live in. I
hope those crazy kids aren't together. I hope they both
hooked up with other people. Stephen and Taylor's relationship comes
to a beautiful place. I think with her being like,
I'll give up everything to be with you. I think
in any other world that would look like she was
giving up her dreams for a guy. But it was
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more so that she was just being very vulnerable and
knowing she could be successful anywhere, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Think she could.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think she could too. She was like Boston, San Francisco,
I'm going to be I'm going to run my own
company anywhere, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
We see Adam and Laurel and Laurel's on again, up
again husband going on a swingers cruise potentially yeah, which
I hope happens in the movie.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
So, oh my god, the movie. The movie isn't made
off the summer I took.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
A swingers cruise.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Please, I don't see Adam on a swingers cruise. Jesus.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
He prays the Champagne. Jeremiah's like from my wedding from
him from Land from My Wedding.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Adam like kind of soft core hitting on Laurel and
being like, with that body and your looks, you'll do
well on a singles cruise. And I was like, at
this stag, you know what that is.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
That's a middle aged man who's just been broken up
by a super hot younger. That's exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
I just also think at this stage Adam doesn't know
who he's looking up with who's not. He's like, she's
my wife's best friend. We're basically I'm like, why are.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
You still in my life? Why is this woman still
here all the time in my house?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
In my house yet invited to the Denny's, Like, this
is my house.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
And that's what when Denise was like speaking to him,
she was like, thanks so much for bringing this Adam.
You can put them in the back, and he's like,
this is my house.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
But that was her, that's fair, like Denise, don't talk
to this man. No, No, that was her saying to him,
I don't work for you anymore. Oh yeah, I've got this.
She could. They just got the seed funding for their company.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I would never ever talk to a grown man like.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I mean you always wanted to okay, which he's scared
of it. All white. That's fair, that's fair, which brings
us to the very end of the finale, which is
Conrad turning up on Belly's doorstep.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
In Parish like this messy bitch.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
She's doing nothing, Belly, don't make me to send her.
She's living her life in Paris and she's not trying
to pull either of those boys in.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
She had a hair transformation.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I actually love that because it's a bit of a
nod to a movie. I talk about this podcast all times, Sabrina,
where she put the Audrey hepburone version, which Jenny Harn.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Loves that Hepburn like scenes in.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
There's a lot of yeah, there's a lot of kind
of rem and oh so good. But I also love
that Belly cutting her hair and the Paris episodes is
very much her shedding the love she had for Jeremiah
my brothers, No, not the brothers, No, it's for one brother.
Because Jeremiah had said to her, always keep your hair long,
and so she was keeping her hair long for him,
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and then her cutting her hair off is like her
finally acknowledging that they're not him she should have meild,
he had him crazy. That's a different and Conrad saying
I really like your hairs, him saying that I'll love
any version of you, and knowing they'll be together okay.
And when they're heading off to her birthday dinner when
comes out with his hairstyle and she does the little
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ruffle and messes up his hair like he did to
her in season one. Is not only a call back
to those early days before they had like properly fallen
in love, but kind of a sign to say that
she was almost the one who was giving him these
little signs of affection, whereas it used to be her. Yeah,
so middle Easter eggs and there, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
God, and I love like how they got together. So
after the birth they party, have had a few drinks,
they're slow dancing in the streets, and then they kiss
and then they have steamy, hot sex in her apartment
with the windows open.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Oh my god. So that sex scene was ten out ten,
very romantic. It felt so earned, it felt so important.
It fell like Jenny Harh being like, I know what
you crazy bitches she was.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I know that I saw you guys watching Bridgitton. I
know what you want, and she's like, I.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Know, you crazy adult women in your thirties, forties and
fifties are obsessed with this show and you have forsaken
your jobs, lives, and families to watch this show and
this is what you wanted to Go ahead and watch it.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Go ahead and watch it, and we did and we did.
And then also the like extremely realistic awkward moment after
having sex with someone you love when you don't want
to show them that you love them, it was so
incredibly done, like bellies, Like I could literally feel her
thought process during that moment, because it's like you have
like steaming out sex with someone who you absolutely love
(49:28):
and you're comfortable with and you've done it before, so
you know each other's bodies and you know how to
feel safe with them, and then you're just lying in
bed and you suddenly like reality hits and it starts
getting like cold, like you know that four am like
chill thieh. And then she like gets up and he
immediately freezes and he's like, where are you going?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, it's so But before we get to that, though,
I actually thought the sex scene was not just for
creepy purves like us to watch it enjoy. But I
thought it was this really beautiful kind of signal to
the audience that their relationship was a new adult relationship
and not their team relationship, because if you look at
the sex scene where she lost her virginity to him,
it's very much like the whole thing when you have
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sex with the first time as a team, where it's
a little bit awkward, but also she's really shy and
vulnerable and he's like more in charge and like guiding
her through it, whereas in this sex scene, she's kind
of like on the stairs, like pulling his hand down.
When they get into the bedroom, she pulls herself on
top and she's like kissing him and she leans forward
to un button his pants. So it's this whole thing
of showing like she's an adult now, she's taking charge.
(50:27):
This isn't some girl who just had to go back
to her first love. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
No, she's been prosing with Benito.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh yeah. And then the end she's yeah, she's she's
a woman of the world.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Now she's only breaken up with for like six weeks.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, that's fine. Banina will be fine. Baniro spin off
in the works.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Beanino at his grandma's birthday.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
He's like, I want to insroduce her to my grandmother.
Oh oh guy, okay, And then we have such an
incredible callback to these iconic rom coms that Jenny harn loves,
which is the race to stop someone from traveling. It's
obviously normally a race through an airport. This time it
was a race through a train station to declare your
undying love. And this idea that you know that's in
the movies, it's like, if I don't stop this person
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going go on a plane, then I can't ever be
with them, even though you could just call them when
they left, or you could fly to them when they land,
and that this scene had the same urgency where it's
like Belly could have obviously told Conrad this at a
different time, but she had to do it then, like
their whole relationship was contingent on her getting to him
on that train and telling him right then.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Look, okay, she was meant to be in a rush, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yes, she put the necklace on.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
You know how hard it is to put a necklace on.
I know I thought about that too, and not even
a necklace. She also put the most hardest piece of
clothing on jeans, like she literally loved to put that, Like,
you know how long it takes me to put my
jeans on.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
I know I've sent you put your jeans on. We're
gonna build a good fifty necklace. Yeah, she put a
bra on, She brushed her hair because she liked that
it looked nice.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And then, oh my god, I was like, were you
in a rush? What did you do a fashion show
on before you left?
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Well, maybe she knew the train wouldn't leave for a while.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
It was very important that she had been fitting in
a necklace on. Maybe you know, every once in a
while you go to put a necklace on, it goes
the first time. It only happens once to every girl,
once in her lifetime. And that was her moment.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, okay, can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I believe that.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
I do want to talk about So they do meet
up on the train and they have this massive reunion,
a lot of beautiful words. If you were sitting in
the passenger seat near Conrad, you'd be like, this is
really cringe.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I feel awkward now I don't know these people. I'd
also be freaking. I was like, the she have a
passport or on yeah, just have a ticket and were
about to get detrained.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
But then the final, final last scene where she talks
about I didn't go back to Cousins this summer, but
I did go again. So they've either gone back to
Cousins the year after a few years after that. And
what I thought was so interesting about this scene was
that they're in the beautiful house that we've seen from
episode one, season one, and they're by themselves, so we
don't actually get that final justification whether or not the
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family are on board with this relationship. Right at the aird,
it's just the two of them from that whole last episode.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I took that more to mean that, like everyone was
so happy and everything, because I think they had well
they show that final shot at the More and the
dinner party were all there, all, well they're happy together. Yeah.
Is meant to show them in their own world and
the fact that you can't tell is it the year after,
is it five years after? Used to say that they
now exist in this perfect world together forever until the movie.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well they weren't cousins by themselves, so maybe they all
have on again off again summers. I was like, you
just want the dr belly and Connie get the beach house.
We don't want to be there, so we'll go the
next summer. And then I don't think it was Adam
Denise Jeremiah Laurel's husband again again.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
We don't need to that name. I thought it was
actually quite a lovely ending. If the news of the
movie hadn't come out, it would have been disappointed and
felt like I maybe needed a little bit more, and
that I know in the book it kind of ends,
and there's just like a little epilogue saying that she
ends up with Conrad. Yeah, so you kind of needed more.
But I actually thought this was like quite a lovely ending,
and it made me very happy that we're coming to
the movie.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
I'm so excited for the movie. I really don't want
to watch it, but I will.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Okay, you well, you've got it here.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
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Bye Bye Bye
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
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this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick
and I met Van. Do you want to tell people
(00:33):
what just happened? Or can I get straight into it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Okay, Spillers. Before we start each episode, to sync up
the microphones to the cameras, we have to do a
synchronized clap, so we count down from three. In these
class together books, I was clapping quite close to our mic,
which is quite beautiful, but I scratched my hand and
now my hand hurts, and I think in my sublet.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So if em disappears midway through the episode, you just
hear me monologuing it's because she's left to seek metal attention.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It's just put me in a mood.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
There's such a drama, queen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was so excited for this episode, and we should be.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Excited because wa should we bring it back around and
ignore your pain and suffering. You should be excited because
we have been waiting months and months and months years.
If you go from season one you do this episode,
because this is our brutally honest review of the Summer
I Turn Pretty Season three, The final episode, the final
(01:24):
countdown to the whole song.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Absolutely, first loves are important, but they're not as important
as last. I don't want to look at anything else
now that.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I saw you.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Have you ever been in love once? I don't want
to think of anything else now that I thought you?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What was hall?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I loved him in a way that you can only
really do the first time around. But that's the past.
Jeremiah is my future. This is the way it's supposed
to be. He's the one last Ah, the Summer I
Turned Pretty? What a title? Firstly, really remember the Summer
you Turn Pretty?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm still waiting. I know everyone makes that joke, but
I a one hundred percent I'm still waiting.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I know the Summer I Turned Pretty?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
When was that?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh? What was the catalyst for that?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I turned twenty one?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeap and a hot age? It should be hot age,
as Belly knows.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I think that was just like where I was like,
I can do so many things with these tits.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, that's when you realize they're not a hindrance.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
They're actually when you're like, oh, I actually like these now.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I just would never turn pretty in summer. Like that's
why I left North Queensland where I grew up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I feel like you turn pretty during winter and then
you happen in summer. You know what I mean, that's
what you do.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, No, I look horrendous in summer. So that's my
guess when I say that I'll be going off this
pot soon. I'm joking. Anyway, the Summer I Turn I
Turned Pretty. This is gonna be a wild up strapping guys.
The Summer I Turn Pretty based on Jenni Hahn's best
selling trilogy of the same name. She's also the showrunner
of the season and basically the woman behind this whole
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worldwide explosion of Team Conrad Team Jeremiah that we've all
been living through and survived the last couple of months.
We started the third and final season many months ago.
The finale aired on Wednesday night, and we're here to
unpack all of it. Obviously, if you're not across our
really honest reviews, they are packed with spoilers, especially finale,
so just be aware of that. So Emily, Yes, we
(03:37):
start off the first episode of season three with Belly
and Jeremiah firmly ensconced in their relationship. Yeah, how are
you feeling in that moment?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was feeling actually really good about the first episode
because I feel like throughout all of the last two
seasons of the summer, I turned pretty We've just seen
Belly like being this love triangle between Conrad and Jeremiah,
And we knew that Belly was in a massive relationship
with Conrad in high school and then that didn't end
(04:10):
to well for either of them, But we've never actually
seen on TV her being in a relationship. Yes, it
was always like either coming out of a relationship and
we were seeing kind of like flashbacks of what it
was like. Yeah, we never actually got a storyline relationship
with her until the first episode of this season.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh okay. I hadn't actually thought of it that way
because in my mind, this girl has never been single.
But you're right, we're seeing it all in flashbacks and
like little fragments of the relationship starting. So and then
we have a time jump, which I thought was interesting
is that we see her getting to college and you
can see Laurel is just like, please don't go to
college with that boy who's basically your brother attached to you.
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But they stay together for the four years of college,
and then we're coming into Jeremiah's final year and we
kind of see where all the pieces of this puzzle
have landed. So we have Jeremiah and Belly have stayed
together all through college. Not great for them. Jeremiah then
finds out that he can't graduate on time. Classic Jeremiah,
Classic Jeremiah. As Adam would say, yeah, as Adam would say,
(05:08):
oh my god, I'm doing that thing where I'm now
via or I aside with the parents. I'm like, Adam
is like right to be disappointed in Jeremiah, and Laurel
is right to say they shouldn't get married.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Laurel is on my favorite Jaxanna's the.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Only outlier here telling these kids to do wild thing
from the gage. She just loves watching the well burned
because she loves watching the mess. Stephen and Taylor, we
find out, have been broken up for a while and
are both in relationships, but secretly hooken up and they've.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Been having an on again up again. That's very messy,
and neither of them are admitting their true feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Having a secret affair which in any other team romance
would make them the villains. But in this story, this
messed up little world of the summer I term pretty
that we live in makes them our favorite actual slow
Burn romance.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I actually really like their relationships.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And Conrad has just removed himself from the situation Conrad,
which is doing medical Yeah, he's busy becoming a doctor.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
God doesn't make your doctor look like that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I actually think it would be quite dangerous to
have him as a doctor, because Conrad constantly, even when
he is so happy, has a look on his face
that he's about to deliver ever stating news. Even when
he tells Bellie he loves her, he looks like he's
telling her that she has a terminal illness. So if
that was your doctor, every time you came him around
the corner, you'd be like, I'm dying. That man is
about to deliver bad news. And he just has resting,
(06:24):
sad NewSpace.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He has resting, sad NewSpace. That is so so true.
He also makes a lot of mistakes, which.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I'm also he's also ruled by his emotions. For someone
who doesn't say a lot, yeah, he's probably should be yearning.
He's a yearn he's a yearner, But think about a
yearner is eventually you've either got to make a move
or go and yearn after something else.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yes, what do you think is the best thing to
yearn after?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
The first thing to yearn after? Say?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, saying you don't have a crush going on here,
but you missed the idea of yearning. What would you
yearn after?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'm thinking of Quinton Bronson on the Emmy's Red Carpet
saying she dreams of rest. I dream of being alone
in my home or alone on a beach somewhere. I
yearn for loneliness. I'm surrounded by people so much.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh my god, that I yearn for ocean.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You hate the beach.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I hate beach.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I like ocean. Oh that's right. You want an ocean
filled with no animals.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
My ideal ocean would be the full ocean with just
like a concrete floor and no animals in the ocean.
Like I basically want a big pool, but with like
fresh salt water.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I feel like they do have those somewhere anyway, Speaking
of ocean, I'm desperately trying to keep us on track.
Speaking of ocean, no one has been back to the
cousin's beach house. No one's been bad, that's right, they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's a bit too sad after it's a bit.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Too sad to Susandam's passing. Also the whole Belly and
Conrad situation. But we do find out that Belly and
Conrad had a bit of a secret hookup over Christmas
in the cousin's house. They did well, they had and
they didn't even talk to each other had you know how,
like you emotionally cheat on someone, it's worse than physically cheating.
They have an emotional hookup.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I don't even think they did that. You know what
they did, They had a relationship, a non physical relationship
in that house for that one day. Like the scenes
from that moment of them being in the cousin's house
together without realizing they were going to be there together
over Christmas was so typical of the most comfortable relationship,
like her just being on her laptop watching a movie,
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him just sitting on the couch doing the cross words,
like being comfortable in each other's silences and still being together.
I think that was so well done because it just
showed how comfortable they would be if they were in
a relationship together.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yes, it kind of shows even though they didn't do anything.
That's the whole thing of true intimacy. Light is like
the person I always think the most romantic thing I've
ever heard is this podcaster I Love saying that when
she met her husband, she felt like she was alone.
And when she says that, she means that she's so
comfortable in their home together with him, that it's the
same comfort she's felt being alone. And I can't say
that's the only reason I'd fall in.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Love with someone. Was there, Caroline o'dnna here, No, it.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Was Pandora psychs Oh yeah, a Hilo.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh my god, God, that's such a good statement.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So that's what I kind of thought. You're right about
them being in the house together. They had that comfort together.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So but he did pick her up from the ground
when she I think that's Jenny harn loves a fall.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Oh does she?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah? She loves she loves having her like female characters
just be on the ground in the most perfect way.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You need a link to that. What's your reference to.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
All the boys I loved before? Okay, yes, yes, we're
Lara Jean just like faints and like her hairs in
like the most perfect pony Gail. And then Peter Kruminski
is like hovering over her, and she I think she
falls a few times. And then also Kitty and Exo
Kitty falls.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I think it's in her heart Jenny Hart, and
she said women love fall in beautiful ways. Well, yes,
women fall in beautiful ways, which is classic rom com
trope and a classic old school Hollywood of the clumsy fall. Yeah. Again,
anyone who grew up watching rom coms loves the clumsy
yet beautiful heroine. So I don't fall like that though
if I fall, I would like crash into crush everyone
around me.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I felt recently and it was quite awkward, very
sad looking.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
In real life, it's not sexy. It's not just like
I don't caught in the radio the name like in
a rom com romantic.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
In real life, we need Jenny Hard to teach us.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, so we're sort of seeing where all these puzzle
pieces are. I'm really trying to keep us on trying.
I need this to be an unhinded episode. And of
course all this the whole Christmas thing and a few
bumps in Jeremiah and Belly's friendship leads them to taking
something that rom coms and TV shows have taught us
is always a bad idea going on a bit of
(10:39):
a break but not establishing the rules before the break
where she thinks they're sort of still together and he
thinks that they are broken off, and so he acts out.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He acts out to someone else.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What's her name? They say it so many times, Lacey Baron.
That's right because when Stephen finds out, he says.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
He's like lazy Barone. He cheating on her with lazy Baron.
Who the fuck is lazy Barone?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I mean they did make Lazy bron out to be
a villain because remember the party, she's saw a villain?
Yeah no, but they kind of make her out that way.
The party is like she's gossiping about it, and that's
how Belly finds out. In another story, Lacey Brone is
the hero and she falls in love with this guy,
only to find out he's in love with the girl
he's about to propose to.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Because I would watch the Summer Return Pretty season one
and two going oh my god, I wish I was Belly,
And then we got season three and I was like,
I'm lazy Barone wasn't sure I'd be lazy Barone. Sometimes
everyone hates I'm like, I had sex with a single man,
what do you want from me?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And twice it wasn't like it was a mistake. You
didn't twice. I want to know. I want the Summer returns,
pretty spin off Storry lazy Borone, because that's happened to
all of it at some stage. Do you think you're
in a love story only to find out you're actually
a footnote in someone else's love story? You know what?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Lazy Baron should have ended all of these weddings.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Maybe she'll show up in the movie. Should get the.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Cousin, the keys to the cousins, the cousins.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
When the movie comes out. If it's Belly and Comrade's wedding,
Jeremiah shows up to the wedding with Lacey Baron.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
With oh, no plot. She shows up to the wedding
with Adam.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh great, Oh my god, Cradmi, please call you finish
the script because I know both Conrad and Jeremiah will
be annoyed with that, and also Belly. Yeah, and that's
what I seen. It will be like who is that?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's like, who's lazy Pop Bryan, some won't tell me.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
What were your thoughts when you watch the breakup scene
with Jeremiah and Belly knowing it wasn't gonna last.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But still, Yeah, it was very high school for me,
which I mean they've only just come out of high school.
So basically what happens is they're at this party, this
house party. They both had a few drinks. She finds
out that lazy Barone hooked up with Jeremiah when Jeremiah
and her were on a break when he was in Carbo. Yeah,
(12:53):
it's a really good pr marketing scheme for Carbo, because
I really want to go now with someone then hook
up with someone I told as Jeremiah. And she finds
that out, she confronts him. They have a big argument
in the front yard.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
She slaps him, and her just stressed. Lola Tongue's acting
here is so, oh my god, amazing because her distress
and like the way it vibrates through her and she
was like wailing. She was, Yeah, yeah, you can really
feel like when you had that first proper big heartbreak,
you feel like that moment for her, it's worse than
when she had her breakup with Conrad. Yeah, because even
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though she heat at the end of the day, is
her like true love. She'd been with Jermia at this
point for years and so, and it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Just a heartbreak, it was a full betrayaling. That betrayal
and like seeing a character assassination happening before you, I
think was so pointed as seeing that as such a
young person as well, because I've always feels like something
that I've seen like happened to like women in rom coms,
like a bit later in life, not like so so
early on, where like the stakes us feel so much higher,
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and like she's getting this absolute betrayaler. And not just
because she was in a relationship with him, but because
she knew him as a kid. So it's like knowing
someone and thinking you know everything about them and then
doing something that you had no idea they were capable
of even doing.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, And especially because it's also the loss of like
that childhood kind of innocence and safety that she had.
That's always been the extra layer of heartbreak with this
whole love triangle of Belly with the Fisher Boys, is
that every time she has a breakup or they have
like a fracture relationship or any time, it essentially doesn't
just end a relationship, it pulls their family apart. And
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in that moment, she thinks she's breaking out with Jeremiah
in that moment for good, and that's her last tie
to the Fisher family that's like her family because she's
a strange from Conrad. She's not gonna call Adam off
to hang out. Susanna's passed away, and so it's like
the severing of a family tie, which I think is
why towards the end of the season, when the wedding
doesn't happen, when Jeremiah has that anguish in the car
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and says like, I love you Laurel when she's getting out,
and it's like, yeah, every time your kids break up,
you essentially lose a parent or you lose because he
was losing Laurel in his family, and why you don't
date your kind of sibling, don't date.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Your cousin's guys. Yeah, And even in that moment when
she says, like during that like heated moment where she's
like wailing and she says, you know, I've only been
with one other person, and he straightaway gets broad back
to reality and he was just like, yeah, I know, yeah,
but it's my brother.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, exactly. It's so interesting too, the whole dynamic between
them because it's been changed so much from the books.
And that's all Jenny Hahn trying to not just make
Belly a different character from the books, but she wanted
to make it clear from the very beginning that she
was always going to choose Conrad because in the books,
Belly doesn't lose her virginity to either of them.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Instead, they had that flashback sequence where you see Belly
lose her virginya to Conrad, and Jenny harn did that
very specifically so that people would know that she would
always choose him first when given the option, and that
she kind of wanted to bring it full circle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I didn't really agree with that though. Really I felt
like it was too picture perfect having her have sex
with Conrad before Jeremiah, whereas, like, I feel like, more realistically,
it would be her having sex with Jeremiah first because
because they were older, yeah, a little older and together longer,
and then still end up with Conrad. What I didn't
(16:15):
really like about this whole season was I was expecting
this real push and pull between the two brothers. Yeah,
and right from episode one, because the cheating happened in
episode one. Yeah, you're immediately on Team Conrad, and you're
on Team Conrad for the whole season. Literally everyone I've
talked to, I haven't met a single Team Jeremiah person
from the season.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, because people who are Team Jeremiah, what they actually
mean is I like him, not I think he's going
to end up with him.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, it's like I like him, and I feel like
I think it should have been done in a way
where we still see Jeremiah as like a great person
and a great option, and I think that he was
just made so unlikable and so meme like that, Like
it wasn't like a Team Edward team Jacobs situation where
it was like there was both good qualities and bad
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qualities from each person, so every woman was literally fifty
to fifty, whereas like right now, in this last season,
it was very much obvious that they wanted Conrad to win,
so I think they were scared to gamble with Jeremiah
also being a winner.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, that's so true. I mean I think I mean again,
I've been canceled for saying this, but I'll say it again.
Especially in the last episode. I think Jeremiah has a
lot of points of redemption throughout this season, but they're
not points of redemption that they're making him the main
love interest. They're points of redemption that you're supposed to
see him as like the valiant of Cider who at
the end of the day stepped aside for his brother
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and his true love and then he was never meant
to be with Belly. But you're right, Jenny Hahn from
the beginning, but especially towards the end of season two
through season three, really wanted everyone to know that she
was team Conrad, because after Conrad sees Jeremiah and Belly
kissing for the first time post their breakup in the book,
they all do get in the car together, but Conrad
ignores them both and won't talk, and so in the
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book you're kind of meant to think, like, oh, he's
just out of it, but in the TV show he's
kind of like nagging them both a little bit and
like calling them out on it and being very vocal.
And Jenny Hahn herself has said she's like, I wanted
you to know from that moment that he was never
being aside. He was never at the picture he's still
in the game and he's not going to let it go.
So the whole way through she was like planting, not
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even like in a secret way. They weren't in an easter,
just like literally slapping you across the face.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
She does that so well where she was able to
fully analyze what audiences took from each scene in her
book and make sure that like the emotions and the
feeling she wanted replicated had to be changed to see
it visually in the actual series. And I think that
car scene where he's like a bit drunk and like
making fun of them and stuff was like so different
(18:42):
to what his quote unquote normal persona is.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, So from then on, we're gonna kind of
follow this string through. From then on we have Steven's
car accident again. I also loved how they just made.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Even had a bad rap, but I only was like,
get injured in the car accident and get yelled at.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah. But then at the end he gets the girl
and the business, and actually he came out of it
quite well. If we're doing scorecards on where everyone is,
he came out of this whole show like shining on
a huge character in the books. They obviously, like really
wrote him up to be in the TV series and
made his character more fleshed out, and I think his
relationship with Taylor actually has I actually think Steven and
(19:21):
Taylor have way more chemistry than Bellie does with Jeremiah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I agree. And I also think Taylor's character development in
this season was the best out of all the other characters.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Absolutely, like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Think she is one of the best characters in this show.
I didn't really get on with her, like she's my
friends in the first two seasons, and I think she
was very much a side character, especially in season one,
and she would just like come to the Cousin's beach
when she was free. And then in season three, this
final one, she actually got so much more screen time
than the previous two seasons, and her just being that
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like adult in that group of friends was just so important,
Like her having to be Belly's mom when Bellie's mom
wasn't there for the wedding, her having to be her
mom's mom to like look after her finances, her having
to be so in tune with her emotions to know
when she can be with Stephen and when she can't,
Like it was such a mature character to play, and
(20:16):
I think she was able to be that kid in
season one and two and was able to then just
transition into being an adult and season three, and I
think that was done really well.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah. Agree. I think sometimes with Belly and Taylor, like
Belly sometimes suffers from like a classic main girl syndrome
where she's a bit of an audience insert so like
you're supposed to be able to insert yourself into her
world and you're almost picture yourself being her so that
things happen to those characters that don't make things happen,
whereas the side character is there to bring the storyline,
(20:45):
the drama, so they often become the more interesting one,
the one who gets to have the bigger storylines and
the one who grows the most. And we see that
like in the OC with Summer Marissa. We've seen in
One Tree Hill with Peyton and Brook, Like, there's so
many times like that where sometimes the main girl has
to become a bit of the damsel on distress and
gossip girl. Yeah, and gossip girl exactly like Blair over
(21:05):
Serena becomes the more interesting character. It's because they get
to have an art more so than the main girls.
Always just tormented, I wish we had more of Taylor.
Wish we had like her across more seasons of being
a mainish character.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Because this last season. Also, if you just took out
all the scenes with Connor and Jeremiah just showed their friendship.
Bellie is not a good friend to Taylor.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, Like I would hate to be her friend. She's chaotic.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, she's chaotic, and she kind of does sometimes. Isn't
there for Taylor. It's the way that Belly's there for her,
the same way that Taylor is there for Belly. And
even though she doesn't agree with the whole getting married thing,
she just after her initial shock at the news, she
just throws herself into being the world's best made of honor,
despite the fact that she doesn't think the wedding should
be happening. And as someone who's also done that in
real life, that's freaking hard to do to be like,
(21:53):
let me cheer on this wedding. You should be marrying
this guy, but let me cheer you on like it's
a huge thing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And even just going to be with her in Paris
and stuff for New Year'sy for like one night.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I think she was there for I mean again, Paris
Paras is.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Fine, but I mean like she loves her with her
whole heart, and I think you really saw that through
this final season, and I was like, this is an
uneven friendship.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Do you think moving on to like when they've had
the whole Like they're getting engaged and they're designed we
to tell everyone they're going to Susanna's memorial at Cousins Beach.
That that was the right time to tell the family
about their engagement.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Absolutely not. That was insane. And then she held up
her finger and she's like, look, I'm like, no one
can see your ring. What are you showing them? Adam
was so confused. Laurel was so fuming. Yeah, because we
were already angry at that. So they had the memorial.
That was fine, But then they had that family dinner
at that restaurant that Laurel was like, I'm gonna pay for.
(22:48):
So we were already as an audience angry because Laurel
just says she's paying, and then Adam orders a surfer
and the seafood.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Everyone really thought he was a crazy villain for that,
But I don't think I was that bad. That was horrible.
What do you mean if you look at that screenshot
of the menus that everyone was passing around, like there's
only like a thirty dollar difference between like what Saint
Conrad ordered and what Jeremiah ordered, and Laurel said she
was pain on forced her hand. No, thirty dollars is
a lot of I know, I'm saying, but once you're
(23:16):
already paying for like a five hundred dollars dinner, what's
extra a couple of hundred? Okay, obviously I'm team Laurel
and the whole show. I can't stress that enough. I'm
on that woman's side. But I just think that that
wasn't quite the huge villainous reveal that people thought it was.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, not gonna lie. Adam is also one of
my fair characters.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I actually sometimes quite agree with that.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I quite agree with that in my life.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's like, these children shouldn't be allowed to behave Like, yeah,
he is a messy bitch.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The fact that he's holding on to Jeremiah and Belly's
wedding champagne brings out it every opportunity, even in places
that don't require champagne at all.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Him walking over to her mother's grave start in her funeral.
He's like, champagne from your wedding, but you didn't have.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I know, I'm not invited to the dinner, but I
bought champagne from your wedding.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's so funny with the ring thing,
because Jenny Hahn just said that she did not expect
that to blow up the way it did, of him
having such a time ring and of.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Him musing the wiring of his glasses to make a ring.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Hey, that ring has a little diamond in it. The
one he gets it couldn't see it. It's pretty small.
If you get right in there, you can see it.
But I think that it's fair what Jenny harm was saying.
She's like, if he had a big ring, everyone be like,
where did he get the money? Fat? He doesn't have
the money. Fair if a college student who yes, comes
from a very rich family. But he's as we found it, lady.
He's also maxed out some credit cards even the ring,
(24:36):
though he definitely didn't he makes down all those looxie
pools out over the season, but.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Then also him getting the tiniest, tiniest ring and then
going let's go apartment shopping.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, but that's because they were homeless.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, but they weren't really like they were in Adam's house.
She's just messy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, what did you think about that? That's when a
lot of people weirdly started to turn on Belly because they're.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Like, no, I turned on her from the beginning, the beginning.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You would never teen Belly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I've never teen Belly.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Oh, come on, don't even know the thing is about Bell?
You don't want a bad friend.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
She doesn't know how to date people.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No siblings. She doesn't know how to date people who
want the Fisher Boys.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It doesn't matter they people know siblings. She's so mean
to her mum.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, she doesn't know how to clean her hair.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't think she knows her dad's name. I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, actually, what is that man's name? Yeah? What? I'm
not wasting my brain space on that.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm not sorry guy much. We're not even gonna look
it up.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
No, I you know, well, I can't put if I
put that into my head, and another important fact's gonna
fall out.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That also what happened to Skuy who do you remember sky?
In season two?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Again, that was not in the books, And there's a
reason why, because that was boring as hell.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, do you think that was them trying to see
there will be a spin off show and cousins maybe,
and then they didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I just think when they did that thing for strangers, think.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
They needed a bigger storyline in Villain in season two
because in the book it's Adam trying to sell the house,
and I think that they needed to kind of flesh
out a bit more. So they introduced Poorkysedgewick didn't know
she was going to be the most hated woman on TV.
Everyone usually loves her.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Doing the most to lift this on my tent pretty
season too off the grap.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Become the World. I mean, that was a terrible season.
Let's just be honest. But Conrad does reference Aunt Julia
at one stage just to make the connection, just to
make the connection, they just say I think they say
one stage, Oh, Sky and Julia are said they can't
come to the wedding, and I was like, they were just.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Not because they didn't have the budget.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah they're not paying those guests.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, no, no, they had to put all that money
into Jeremiah's ring. Yeah, can't be inviting family to the wedding.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So we have the engagement announcement, and from then we
see Belly's estrangement from her family. And again that's the
point when Jeremiah comes into the house and explains to Laurel,
brings her flowers and sits her down and tries to
explain why he wants to marry Belly, and he's very
calm and adult and very kind about it. I know
the bar is so low for men, but that's where
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it is. That was the first point where I was like,
maybe I'm team Jeremiah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Right okay, because that whole like blowout with Laurel and Belly,
it was so intense and that kind of all so
made me a bit like, I'm not sure if this
is real, like real real me because I'm from an
Asian household. If I spoke to my mom like that,
if I was twenty twenty one and I went to
(27:24):
my mom, she was swearing at her. Mum. Yeah, she
was like fuck you, and then like left and was
like I'm gonna go be with this boy. My mom
would chain me to my bed and keep me there
till I was forty like that is literally, And then
when I was looking I was like, this is not
the Asian household.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
This is not it. It's like interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I think it was one of those things because the
show was so so massive and Jenny harn is so
good at inclusion and using like diverse characters. But I
think you also have to gamble with what would the
western I storyline be in this situation, And that was
a very much westernized mother daughter storyline playing out that
just wasn't realistic to the Asian culture and like the
(28:04):
Asian TVs and shows that I've seen, and I thought
that was a bit of a like, oh, it just
felt like a way out, like a cheap way to
have a fight.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, you think it should have been You think that
not even Laurel telling her to leave. That doesn't fit either.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It doesn't fit at all. Like that is not something
that I would say.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Those things where sometimes you have to mess things up
a little bit just get your characters to where they
needed to be.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And I also feel like they've already had to Like
was it season two where she was like camping out
in the house without telling Laura and they had a
massive fight and Laurel slaps her. Oh yeah, yeah, Like
that was a realistic like mother daughter fight to me,
Like I was like they made it so so real,
and I felt like they didn't need to do that
again for season three, Like I just felt like it
was an unnecessary fight. I think what Laurel's character was
(28:46):
so good at is like being that mum where she
loves Jeremiah and loves Conrad but doesn't want to see
her daughter like waste away in a relationship. And the
way she even said to her ex husband, yeah, where
she was like, I don't regret marrying you. I regret
marrying at such a young age and losing myself in
(29:07):
a relationship that's.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Such a young catalyst the whole time for her not
to Yeah. But also I think there's always something where
like I think, who Laurel is really angry at but
she can't be angry because she's dead, is Susanna because
that's her best friend and soulmate, and she essentially set
up their children to be together in some way and
always really pushed that, and I think Laurel was never
(29:29):
super on board with that. But now it's happened and
now they're all called to this website.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It was always Susanna saying stuff like that, but in
the flashbacks, Laurel never said stuff like.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
That because she's probably like, what do you mean my
daughter's going to marry one of your sons?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
My daughters ate it like it's crazy, very.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Creepy arranged marriage vibes creepy and.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Even the way like in the flashbacks with Susannah where
like she gives Belly her own room in the cousin's
beach house and like she's talking to her like as
if she is her daughter, and Laura just in the
kitchen cooking. Yeah, like this is really weird vibes.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I might definitely understand her looking at her as
a daughter. It's her looking as a daughter who's definitely
going to marry one of her sons. And again, I
think the fact they were all raised as siblings is
never really brought up enough.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, So then we get into the depths of planning
the wedding and we see Laurel not want to go
wedding dress shopping.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I found that part realistic, as like the mum of
someone who's really young getting married where where they don't
want to be involved at all or they're like as
like I think it's like the last hope, right of
saying I'm not coming to your wedding as the last hope,
like she won't have this wedding if I don't come.
Yeah yeah, and then eventually she has to.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Give in, knowing that she has to Channelean into it.
But this is also where we start seeing the seeds
be laid for people turning more against Jeremiah because he
becomes a bit of a groomzilla. What is it the
double tear chocolate cake with raspberry Cooley. Yeah, he's like,
we have the cake or the weddings off.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, He's like, that's the one thing I wanted, Ellie.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
And that's so interesting because doesn't a lot of that
happen in the episode we get from Conrad's perspective.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he hits his narration.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, it's like, what have I done? Yeahs interesting. That
is the first episode that Jenny Hahn directed. Oh and
the reason she did that is she said that Conrad
is such an internal character, like we're never really meant
to know what's going on in his mind.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
He does a lot of like silent actings.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yes, a lot of silent acting, a lot of I
don't know if that act is doing it on purpose
or if he's just dead behind the.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Ear Yeah, a lot of like looking around.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, but you're meant to think that there's a whole
part of his mind that we never get access to.
So when it came time to let him have his
moment of him telling his side of the story, Jenny
Hahn was like, I'm going to step up and direct
for the first time because I need to be the
one to handle this, like essentially, because she created that character,
she's the only one who could tell his story and
have his POV. Which led to her directing, which is
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a great episode.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And that episode was the best episode of the season.
It's just Belly and Conrad together and he's just helping
her with like all of the chores and tar she
has to do to get ready for the wedding because
Jeremiah is now working for his dad. Yes, And that's
where we.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Also get Strikes again.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Adam strikes again and again introduced to Yeah, and we
find out that Adam's in a relationship with Kaylee, who
is a woman he cheated on Susannah with and she's
much younger than years.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I actually thought a bit bad for Kaylee because I
feel like she was just weirdly groomed by her boss.
When she was so young, when she had an affair
with Adam, probably not knowing that his wife had.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
This whole wedding unpaid.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, and then he's basically like, hey, let's get together.
I'm not like he was maybe hot ten years ago.
He's now just a creepy old dude who made her
plan his son's wedding and then apparently like wasn't like
nice to her parents. There's some unlying story there, and
I'm so glad she broke up with him.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Imagine hooking up with your boss thinking you're going to
get a promotion, and yet you get a wedding to.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Me and you had to plan a wedding and you
walk into that room and the mother of the bride
and everyone else hates you. And then you have to
put up with this creepy man child who's only caring
about how much money he spent on champagne.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
And then after the wedding you go home to like
your sharehouse with all the girls. Yeah, and then you're like, guys,
these kids are insane. Yeah, this girl was dating this brother,
but then she's marrying this brother. But now she told
that brother that she loves him and she'll always love him,
and now the whole thing's off. And I put in
a lot of effort into the water.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I planned that wedding and they didn't even go. Those
spoiled brats. Oh my god. The debrief with Kaylie and
her friends when she got back to her I just
got a physical pang that I missed that and not
even real people.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I want a deep no. And guess what what one
of her housemaids is, Lady.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I have to say the same thing. Please, can we
have a spin off with Kaylee and Lady Bone? We
need that vengeful.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
The summer we killed two brothers, the summer we murdered
a family rap.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
The Fisher brothers. Oh my god, that's a story of want.
Of her pulling her suitcase up a six flight walk
up to go back to her share apartment and be like,
dating the old guy was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
She has all the wedding champagne, and now the dad
wants a champagne back.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Leading into the wedding, we have the rehearsal dinner and
the wedding rehearsal itself, And that's the moment that everyone
was screening, shodding and trying to find secret clues because
it looked like Taylor was potentially getting married.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It also people thought it was a flash forward to
Conrad and Belly's wedding, but I actually quite like the
way it played out. I mean, again, the whole thing
about the Summer I Turn pretty season three is we're
watching a show where we know the ending, essentially, like
even if you hadn't read the book, you know where
this is going. So we're just we're not watching it
to find out what happens. We're watching to find out
how it happened.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, And the wedding was I think so well done
because it was so casual, yeah, and like simple, and
then in the background all of this chaos was happening.
I think the biggest takeaway from that wedding is how
everyone hated Taylor's wet hair.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Look. Yeah, well, I'm so modress.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
In the next episode where I continued her hair wasn't
a butN.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, because someone was like, don't cut the hairs. Everyone's like,
her mom's a hairdresser, and then her hair looks like
being a stroga caught in the rate.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
On the other day, I imagine her mom's saying that
it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It was a lot. So we have the break up scene,
which is everything I mentioned. It would be not in
a good way. It kind of feel like it needed
to happen, But it's still that moment where Jeremiah is
realizing that even if he does get her down the
aisle and she was willing to go, that she'd never
actually love him.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, and we found out about like Christmas and like
he we found out that he knew about the Christmas thing.
What I found in that conversation was like what Jeremiah
was saying to her was actually quite fair. Yeah, Like
he was like, I can't like do this, like you're
still in love with my brother, Like I can't do it.
And even in her in a monologue where she says,
I know that if I say I still want to
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get married, he will marry me. And I'm like that
is so true. Yeah, Like you could literally say that
each like this girl could like tell each brother at
any time in her life, I want to marry you,
and they would exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And to her credit, she does not abuse that power.
Does that make you like him already still hate her?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
No, I don't hate her like you hate her.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You just listened to all the reasons before you hated her.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Again, maybe we all see a little bit.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I would have just lied and been like no, I
don't like him, or just.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
To get through the weddings expen it's such.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
An expensive wedding. Your mom just got around it. I
know she's not going to be able to get married
ever again. Now well she can't.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's gonna happen. Wait for the movie. But no, No,
you can't walk down the aisle towards someone. I know
people do it every day, but I feel like you
can't walk down the aisle to marry someone if you're like,
I don't actually want to marry you. Yes, you care,
and I think that you shouldn't. History has taught us,
and pop culture and the Kardashians has taught us that
you shouldn't get you shouldn't do it, but you can.
You can do it. You can. So what did you
think of her heading to the airport to Paris.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I thought that was a good decision.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I saw like kind of the conversation around it being
like she's crazy, No one would do that. And I
actually think in that moment, because in that moment, you're like,
what can I do to make this like I haven't
fucked up my life? What can I do? And the
whole thing about her choosing not to go to Paris
was such a huge thing, and she was essentially saying
goodbye to her dreams, her independence, the life she could
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have had, and choosing to marry this boy and live
in a little shitty apartment because he had bad credit.
And so it was almost like she had this chance
to do a make good but time was of the
essence because she had to get on the plane then.
So I actually thought it made a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It's also that thing where you do something so so embarrassing,
like so humiliating, that you just need to leave the country.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, and I wanted to do that so many times.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
She physically did that, Like no one in the world
has done something more embarrassing than what she did.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Ahi Emily, So she physically had to leave the country.
And I know there was also so much talking about
Conrad being in the airport. They're like, oh, he's taking
a domestic flight and she was taking international flight. They
shouldn't have been the same airport, and that, I say,
let the story happen.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Also to that, I say, American apples are crazy, Yeah,
like they're actually insane. That actually is another realm possible,
It's very much real. So this is the time I've
related to Belly the most, when she gets to Paris,
not only because she's messed up, well not she has
messed up that poor guy who I think lost his
job over this. She's not in the program.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
He messed up.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
He messed up.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
The most I've ever related to Belly Cochlin is when
she is just you have this idea of going to
this place where you're going to be a new person.
I think we all have this when we travel, especially
when we travel for the first time in our twenties,
where you think, I'm going to get to Paris, I'm
going to be so like together and mysterious and sexy,
and my life's going to look like this, And the
reality is that you're dragging your suitcase and your backpack
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around those freaking cobbled, hard to navigate streets. Wheel yeah,
and your wheels are breaking, and you're tired, and you're
dirty and you look gross. No one likes you and
no one wants you there. And you go into a
cafe and like even just ordering like a sandwich or
a coffee is so hard and you feel stupid, and
then you would let your stuff be stolen from your table.
And I also had mad respect for her when she
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chased that guy down.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I okay. The Paris episodes were my favorite episodes
in the entire series, and I was so nervous to
them because they were the episodes that happened after the
books finished. So the books finished, and then we do
get two more episodes, which are the Paris episodes. Yes,
I thought they were done so so well. Well, it's
the first time we're seeing Belly so vulnerable, like out
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of a safe blade. And I think it's exactly what
you said, so telling to the idea that so many people,
if their life is like gone to shits, like absolutely
having the worst worst time, they can't bear living in
their life anymore. So they go overseas to start again,
and you expect it to be better because your life
was so shit, and yet it's worse, and that's exactly
what she experienced exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, it's it's they're so well done. I wish we'd
had six more episodes of this version of Belly and this.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
One, but I was so scared we were going to
get an Emily in Paris. Oh yeah, well you get
to Paris and everything's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah. I mean, look, Emily's had her own struggles.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Okay, but the essence of Emily in Paris is like
you go to Paris and everything's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, and you meet a hoot guy. Yeah. Where it's like.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
All those things.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It's just that she works a shitty job.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
She works a shitty job. But even like she did
all of those things, but you can tell she's still
not happy, like she's still struggling through it. She's still
getting gray. I mean, she gets her beautiful apartment.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, and I don't know how she got so many
people Again, viewers are really angry about that. How could
she have that beautiful apartment? And that I say, stop policing.
How women in rom comms and TV shows afford their
beautiful homes? They just can.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I think we just don't like it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Why does she get that? And I don't I know.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
But also that's the fantasy element.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And I'm looking into another apartment.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, I think Emily in Paris's apartment is the most
realistic that you'd have two girls sharing a studio apartment
in Paris. What I wanted to at the Paris episodes
is that Jenny Hahn always knew when she started this
TV show, from the very first episode, that she was
going to have these Paris episodes at the end.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do you think Benita was necessary?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, I think they need to show her having other
romance and even showing her just having sex with someone
else that wasn't just the Fisher Boys. And I think
that was part of Jenny Harn's kind of master plan
all along. It is like, she's not a freak. I promise, Yeah,
it's fine, it's fine. In the book, she goes to
Spain for a short overseas trip. So Jenny Harn wanted
to change it to Paris basically because she wanted to
go to Paris mad respect She's like, I'm gonna make
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this work for me. But also she was laying so
many easter eggs all through the series, like Belly reading
the Hunger Games in French. Even the name of the
book will always have Summer is a nod to the
famous line from Casablind Cub will always have Paris. And
there's all these nods all the way through it. And
so Jenny Harn basically said that she basically backed Prime
Video into a corner. She's like, the storyline won't make
(41:29):
sense unless she goes to Paris, because I've been breadcrumbing
it all the way through, and that's why they had
to have her there.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
What I've really liked about the first episode we see
of her in Paris where she can't speak French that well, yeah,
I think it was so tellable. I think, yeah, literally,
I think it was so telling to show that we
learned through the series that she's been learning French and
taking French as andletive throughout her high school, so she's
meant to be really good at it. Yeah, and then
it kind of shows that, like you visibly see how
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she lost herself in her relationship with Jeremiah by like
physically forgetting how to speak a language that you spent
years learning and getting to France and realizing you can't
acally speak it.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, it's like almost like the French language fell out
of her head because she shut the door to that
because she thought you would. She thought she never goes. Oh.
So then we come in getting into the end. Now
all the excitement of the final episode, so we have
two dual storylines happening here, one is happening at the
cousin's beach house, which is so important that we had
that story device of the dinner thing being canceled and
(42:24):
then having to go and have this big final moment
in the beach house, which I thought was beautiful and
also very important that Belly and Conrad weren't there. What
did you think of Jeremiah's I want to say Brooklyn
Beckham journey of deciding he wasn't going to follow in
his dad's footsteps, he was going to become a chef.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, I quite liked it.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I did too.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I think he deserves like a happy ending. Like I know,
everyone takes a piss out of him and doesn't like
how he treated Belly in their relationship. It's so weird
because I feel like we see Belly as like someone
that we put ourselves into, and we're like, we would
not like to have a relationship like that with someone
like Jeremiah. But I'm like he loved her. He was
just a different kind of love. Yeah, and it wasn't
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the love that she needed exact her personal growth, but
it could be the love that Denise needs.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Okay, let's get on too, So I actually loved him
being a little chef.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I feel like they had TikTok famous sexy chef.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah exactly. That Actually, with the way that boy looks,
that's so fits. That's so tracks that Taylor would do
that for him to stop his.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Eyes from it was nice every time a scene him
comes along, like jump scared, oh my god, turn the
light stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I loved him having a skill. I loved him using
his hands instead of just being a pretty boy, a
pretty boy, NEPO baby in his dad's office. So we
liked that. The Denise storyline I did not love because
very rushed, very unearned. Because I love an unexpected love story.
It's my absolute favorite.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
She goes from being like a bully to being their
best friend.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, I kind of liked that for her. I actually
thought she and Steven had more chemistry. They had a
lot of chemistry. But I also didn't love that they
weren't together.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I also think Steven has chemistry with everyone.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, he just does. He's a chemistry feel boy. We
love him. I felt that it was a rush to
tie a book up.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Again.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's almost like the music stopped and they were the
two without chairs and they had to just get on
the chair together kind of vibe. So yeah, I thought
that was a missed opportunity. That's the one criticism I'll
say of Jenny Hahn's world building and storytelling is that
I felt that that could have been a great moment
for an unexpected love story, which is my fave, a
bit of an enemy's to lovers, which is also my faith. Instead,
it just felt like they were brother and sister, brother
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and sister all the way through, and then all of
a sudden in the kitchen, he was just so happy
his dessert worked out that he wanted to kiss her.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
His chocolate mud cake. Maybe he definitely got from Will.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
This isn't the worst thought. It's because they were living
together as brother and sister, and and he lived like
that with Belly, so he just transferred. He can only
fall in love with that.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
He can only fall in love with people he sees
first as a sister. Jenny Hahns said it.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
There's no way, okay, that both of them are so
good looking and hot. Yeah, there is no way they
slept in spread beds that whole time they were living.
Apparently they did. Their children.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I have such curly hair anyway, So we leave them there.
I'm actually so glad we're getting the movie because I
just I'm gonna go out and a live in. I
hope those crazy kids aren't together. I hope they both
hooked up with other people. Stephen and Taylor's relationship comes
to a beautiful place. I think with her being like,
I'll give up everything to be with you. I think
in any other world that would look like she was
giving up her dreams for a guy. But it was
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more so that she was just being very vulnerable and
knowing she could be successful anywhere, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Think she could.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think she could too. She was like Boston, San Francisco,
I'm going to be I'm going to run my own
company anywhere, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
We see Adam and Laurel and Laurel's on again, up
again husband going on a swingers cruise potentially yeah, which
I hope happens in the movie.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
So, oh my god, the movie. The movie isn't made
off the summer I took.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
A swingers cruise.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Please, I don't see Adam on a swingers cruise. Jesus.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
He prays the Champagne. Jeremiah's like from my wedding from
him from Land from My Wedding.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Adam like kind of soft core hitting on Laurel and
being like, with that body and your looks, you'll do
well on a singles cruise. And I was like, at
this stag, you know what that is.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
That's a middle aged man who's just been broken up
by a super hot younger. That's exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
I just also think at this stage Adam doesn't know
who he's looking up with who's not. He's like, she's
my wife's best friend. We're basically I'm like, why are.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
You still in my life? Why is this woman still
here all the time in my house?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
In my house yet invited to the Denny's, Like, this
is my house.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
And that's what when Denise was like speaking to him,
she was like, thanks so much for bringing this Adam.
You can put them in the back, and he's like,
this is my house.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
But that was her, that's fair, like Denise, don't talk
to this man. No, No, that was her saying to him,
I don't work for you anymore. Oh yeah, I've got this.
She could. They just got the seed funding for their company.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I would never ever talk to a grown man like.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I mean you always wanted to okay, which he's scared
of it. All white. That's fair, that's fair, which brings
us to the very end of the finale, which is
Conrad turning up on Belly's doorstep.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
In Parish like this messy bitch.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
She's doing nothing, Belly, don't make me to send her.
She's living her life in Paris and she's not trying
to pull either of those boys in.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
She had a hair transformation.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I actually love that because it's a bit of a
nod to a movie. I talk about this podcast all times, Sabrina,
where she put the Audrey hepburone version, which Jenny Harn.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Loves that Hepburn like scenes in.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
There's a lot of yeah, there's a lot of kind
of rem and oh so good. But I also love
that Belly cutting her hair and the Paris episodes is
very much her shedding the love she had for Jeremiah
my brothers, No, not the brothers, No, it's for one brother.
Because Jeremiah had said to her, always keep your hair long,
and so she was keeping her hair long for him,
(47:52):
and then her cutting her hair off is like her
finally acknowledging that they're not him she should have meild,
he had him crazy. That's a different and Conrad saying
I really like your hairs, him saying that I'll love
any version of you, and knowing they'll be together okay.
And when they're heading off to her birthday dinner when
comes out with his hairstyle and she does the little
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ruffle and messes up his hair like he did to
her in season one. Is not only a call back
to those early days before they had like properly fallen
in love, but kind of a sign to say that
she was almost the one who was giving him these
little signs of affection, whereas it used to be her. Yeah,
so middle Easter eggs and there, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
God, and I love like how they got together. So
after the birth they party, have had a few drinks,
they're slow dancing in the streets, and then they kiss
and then they have steamy, hot sex in her apartment
with the windows open.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Oh my god. So that sex scene was ten out ten,
very romantic. It felt so earned, it felt so important.
It fell like Jenny Harh being like, I know what
you crazy bitches she was.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I know that I saw you guys watching Bridgitton. I
know what you want, and she's like, I.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Know, you crazy adult women in your thirties, forties and
fifties are obsessed with this show and you have forsaken
your jobs, lives, and families to watch this show and
this is what you wanted to Go ahead and watch it.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Go ahead and watch it, and we did and we did.
And then also the like extremely realistic awkward moment after
having sex with someone you love when you don't want
to show them that you love them, it was so
incredibly done, like bellies, Like I could literally feel her
thought process during that moment, because it's like you have
like steaming out sex with someone who you absolutely love
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and you're comfortable with and you've done it before, so
you know each other's bodies and you know how to
feel safe with them, and then you're just lying in
bed and you suddenly like reality hits and it starts
getting like cold, like you know that four am like
chill thieh. And then she like gets up and he
immediately freezes and he's like, where are you going?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, it's so But before we get to that, though,
I actually thought the sex scene was not just for
creepy purves like us to watch it enjoy. But I
thought it was this really beautiful kind of signal to
the audience that their relationship was a new adult relationship
and not their team relationship, because if you look at
the sex scene where she lost her virginity to him,
it's very much like the whole thing when you have
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sex with the first time as a team, where it's
a little bit awkward, but also she's really shy and
vulnerable and he's like more in charge and like guiding
her through it, whereas in this sex scene, she's kind
of like on the stairs, like pulling his hand down.
When they get into the bedroom, she pulls herself on
top and she's like kissing him and she leans forward
to un button his pants. So it's this whole thing
of showing like she's an adult now, she's taking charge.
(50:27):
This isn't some girl who just had to go back
to her first love. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
No, she's been prosing with Benito.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh yeah. And then the end she's yeah, she's she's
a woman of the world.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Now she's only breaken up with for like six weeks.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, that's fine. Banina will be fine. Baniro spin off
in the works.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Beanino at his grandma's birthday.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
He's like, I want to insroduce her to my grandmother.
Oh oh guy, okay, And then we have such an
incredible callback to these iconic rom coms that Jenny harn loves,
which is the race to stop someone from traveling. It's
obviously normally a race through an airport. This time it
was a race through a train station to declare your
undying love. And this idea that you know that's in
the movies, it's like, if I don't stop this person
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going go on a plane, then I can't ever be
with them, even though you could just call them when
they left, or you could fly to them when they land,
and that this scene had the same urgency where it's
like Belly could have obviously told Conrad this at a
different time, but she had to do it then, like
their whole relationship was contingent on her getting to him
on that train and telling him right then.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Look, okay, she was meant to be in a rush, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yes, she put the necklace on.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
You know how hard it is to put a necklace on.
I know I thought about that too, and not even
a necklace. She also put the most hardest piece of
clothing on jeans, like she literally loved to put that, Like,
you know how long it takes me to put my
jeans on.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
I know I've sent you put your jeans on. We're
gonna build a good fifty necklace. Yeah, she put a
bra on, She brushed her hair because she liked that
it looked nice.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And then, oh my god, I was like, were you
in a rush? What did you do a fashion show
on before you left?
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Well, maybe she knew the train wouldn't leave for a while.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
It was very important that she had been fitting in
a necklace on. Maybe you know, every once in a
while you go to put a necklace on, it goes
the first time. It only happens once to every girl,
once in her lifetime. And that was her moment.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, okay, can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I believe that.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
I do want to talk about So they do meet
up on the train and they have this massive reunion,
a lot of beautiful words. If you were sitting in
the passenger seat near Conrad, you'd be like, this is
really cringe.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I feel awkward now I don't know these people. I'd
also be freaking. I was like, the she have a
passport or on yeah, just have a ticket and were
about to get detrained.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
But then the final, final last scene where she talks
about I didn't go back to Cousins this summer, but
I did go again. So they've either gone back to
Cousins the year after a few years after that. And
what I thought was so interesting about this scene was
that they're in the beautiful house that we've seen from
episode one, season one, and they're by themselves, so we
don't actually get that final justification whether or not the
(52:55):
family are on board with this relationship. Right at the aird,
it's just the two of them from that whole last episode.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I took that more to mean that, like everyone was
so happy and everything, because I think they had well
they show that final shot at the More and the
dinner party were all there, all, well they're happy together. Yeah.
Is meant to show them in their own world and
the fact that you can't tell is it the year after,
is it five years after? Used to say that they
now exist in this perfect world together forever until the movie.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well they weren't cousins by themselves, so maybe they all
have on again off again summers. I was like, you
just want the dr belly and Connie get the beach house.
We don't want to be there, so we'll go the
next summer. And then I don't think it was Adam
Denise Jeremiah Laurel's husband again again.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
We don't need to that name. I thought it was
actually quite a lovely ending. If the news of the
movie hadn't come out, it would have been disappointed and
felt like I maybe needed a little bit more, and
that I know in the book it kind of ends,
and there's just like a little epilogue saying that she
ends up with Conrad. Yeah, so you kind of needed more.
But I actually thought this was like quite a lovely ending,
and it made me very happy that we're coming to
the movie.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
I'm so excited for the movie. I really don't want
to watch it, but I will.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Okay, you well, you've got it here.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
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Speaker 1 (54:38):
Bye Bye Bye
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