A Brutally Honest Review Of The Victoria Beckham Documentary

She’s one of the biggest pop stars in the world turned fashion juggernaut — and now we’re getting an inside look at who Posh Spice really is.In today’s Brutally Honest Review, we’re diving into Victoria Beckham’s new Netflix docuseries, a three-part look behind the scenes of her empire.

From the early Spice Girls days to building one of fashion’s most recognisable brands, this series promises to show us the woman beneath the gloss. We unpack the most surprising revelations — from the way she first financed her business to the rare glimpses into her relationship with David and their kids. 

Plus - what happens when a model or a stylist pisses off VB? It ain't pretty. We fear for their safety....So, is this series an unfiltered portrait of Victoria Beckham, or another perfectly polished PR moment? We give you our brutally honest take.

Make sure you listen to our Brutally Honest Review of The Spice Girls. It's some of our best work. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to
the Spill, your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodney,
I'm Burnham, and today is an episode that we have

(00:33):
been waiting to do ever since news reached our ears
that this new documentary was dropping on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh my god, I'm so excited to do this, and
I'm also so excited to show how much I know
about Victoria Beckham since I was previously bullied for not
knowing how much.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
So Yes, this is our brutally honest review of the
Victoria Beckham documentary that came out on Netflix over a
week ago. I have never forgotten where I come from.
Performing was my dream.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
The spy scirls made me accept who I am, and
then all of a sudden it stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
We have a lot of law with this particular title
because a few weeks ago, just to catch people up,
we heard the documentary was coming.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We were very excited about the trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, we talked to the trailer and I was so
excited because I was like, oh my God, I know
so much about Victoria Beckham. She's so important, but I
can't wait to know more. And then you let it
slip innoctantly, not knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
One of the many things I regret saying.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Not knowing the avalanche of criticism that was about to
come away. Well bullied that you didn't know much about
stupid little girl, did you? That's me? That's actually not
in the spirit of the.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Spy anonymous person, put your name when it comments before
you jump in my dams.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Can I just say the Spice Girls are all about
girl power and sometimes not knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Stuff, and they really you don't know about the Spicy yes,
because you wouldn't have comments Jupia.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Which led to us doing a whole episode where I
schooled Am on the Spice Girls, but not the important stuff,
so not their record sales, not.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
The amount of comments we've got in on this episode.
So we did a really honest review of just the
Spice Girls, which is basically it was more like a lesson,
his free lesson of people who've like messaged me saying
how much they loved that episode. Spice Girls fans, you
were saying stuff that even like massive Spy skulls fans
didn't know how to.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I didn't even know how this stuff because I was
a child with them famous and I'm deep into the archives.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
There's a video on social of me just reacting to
things that LB is saying. I'm like what, Jerry, Yeah,
you were like on the floor. It was insane and
been through so much in two years, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
And also I got so many messages saying like, Laura,
you forgot to tell m this, you m this and that,
and I was like, guys, we didn't have time for
all the stories. Everyone was very sad. I didn't tell
you about Jerry and Melby hooking up. I can't believe
you don't know that. Way, No, we're me in documentary
on that. Do you not know this story? What are
you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
My god?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay, guys, super quick segway then we walk into the documentary.
So there were always rumors because Jerry and Melby, as
discussed in our brilliantest review of The Spy Skills, which
we will link anyone who hasn't listened because it is
our best work, there were always rumors that Jerry and
Melby had this very fiery relationship. But there were also
rumors that they had hooked up. Now, they never said
anything about that and it was never like confirmed. But

(03:18):
then a few years ago, Melbye was on a talk
show and she got asked directly if she and Jerry
had had like at least one hook up, and she said, yes,
they have hooked up at least once, Jerry, it's that great.
And apparently Jerry was upset at her for saying that,
because you know how Jerry's like married to a billionaire
now lady of the manner.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Also like that would have been around the time where
Christian Horner's alleged affair was happening as well.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, maybe that's yeah, that's the rich guy she married.
I'm not sure of the time on there, but I
think Jerry was a bit like, that's not the persona
I want to put out right now. Yeah, I love
that for them. Their best is now again, that's or
are they Some stuff came out in the documentary which
we will get to. Oh my god. Okay, so the
Victoria Beckham Netflix documentary. So there was a lot of
hype for this because the documentary that had come out

(04:04):
previously that was more assented on David and Victoria, but
also David's life and Career was a huge hit and
massive brought this whole new audience to the Beckhams, to
David and Victoria, and made them a lot more beloved,
I think than they had been before.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I think they were really encapsulated that like, we're just
a normal family who all love each other. I mean,
we know what happened after that, But I think that
celebrity documentary, I think that one in particular was one
of the best ones ever done.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh really, I all the loved documentaries. I mean, yeah,
it was really intriguing. I guess because we knew so
much about them. They do interviews, but we hadn't sort
of had that at least a slightly intimate look into
their personal lives.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
But I also think the sports like part of it
really drove that documentary, and people.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Just became obsessed with them as a couple in a
new way. That seems them dancing together and everyone was
recreating the dance and everything. So I thought they were like,
let's come back for round two. Will make people love
Victoria and her fashion brand even more so. The documentary
Victoria Beckham promised us an intimate inside look into the
world of Victoria Beckham and her career and her life

(05:12):
and her family in a way that we had never
seen before. So you've watched all three episodes of the documentary.
Do you think we got that?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, this is what I want to say.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh, say it.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I've talked about this documentary just so many of my friends,
and surprisingly a lot of my friends know a lot
about Victoria Beckham. They think the documentary was not good.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Interesting, I loved it. I loved it too. I think
I loved it because I watched it knowing exactly what
it was supposed to be. So this is what we
always talk about when things are mislabeled, when you promise people.
It's like with materialists.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's a little bit of a rage bait.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I guess. Oh. I think it's just like it's
advertising that doesn't promise what the product actually is, whereas
what the product is is fine. But again, it's like Materialists.
A lot of people went into that movie thinking it
was a sexy, fun little rom com with Dakota Johnson
and Chris Evans and Pedro Pascal and said, it's like
this intimate drama about what happens when you die alone,
And so people didn't like it. It's the same with
the Mean Girl's Musical, Like people went into it thinking

(06:08):
it was just Mean Girls, and then they were tricked
into not knowing it was a musical until I got
into the cinema. So then they're upset, like why are
they saying those videos of people like when they first
start singing Mean Girls and people start screaming in anger.
It's so funny, and I think the same as Victoria
Beck and people will promise this really intimate look and
you got a little bit of that, but really it's
just a very curated production from her of how she

(06:30):
wants the world to see her right now. And it's
also just as interesting. It's a massive and you know what,
guess what.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
The minute I finished the document, I went on David
Jones and saw if I could buy that shirt, and
I couldn't afford.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
It, absolutely not. Well we're not that brand is not
for us.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
But if we pulled in together, we could buy a
shirt for me, which is my dream, the one that's
fashion style my smile. Oh it's two hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I'm just gonna say, now that I know Victoria, that
comesising and that's not going to get over my pass
but it's my We could just make it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
We could get a lipliner.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, we could share it lipliner, Share the spill lipliner.
So instead of an intimate portrait, we did get a
few things. So going back to the first most episode
is very much looking into her childhood in her early life,
which had been kind of a bit of the breakout
story from the David Victoria Beckham documentary, because then there's
that whole thing where Victoria's talking to camera in that
documentary and saying.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, the one meme that came out of that documentary.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
They're really working class, and David's like, be honest.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
He like pops his head he heard it. My wife's
trying it's unrelatable again, got to go stop this. And
he's like, be honest, and he's like, what did your
dad drive you to school in? And she's like, will
working class? He's like, be honest, and she's like, rollers
are roads.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah. The thing is Victoria Beckham has been trying to
make herself very working class since she first became famous,
and obviously, like, I don't think her parents were super
super rich.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
They were self made her parents, because she talked about
and they also interview her parents, and they live in
this massive house.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
She's like, my parents salt of the earth. They still
live in the house. They have no one married. You're like, yeah,
because that house is a mad mansion. It's huge, huge ground. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And she talked about like her dad like kind of
created his own business, so he was like business orientated.
But I think because she saw like the working class
them becoming rich, she kind of like, I guess she
can relate to it.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
If you're not the richest person in your class, Like
it's all relative. The amount of people youth who, especially
when they become famous, who think they grew up poor
but actually didn't once they look around. I always think
of that conversation that Amy Pohla and Dak Shepp had
had on his podcast, and they both said all through
like the first few decades of their career, when they
became famous, they would say in all their interviews, we
grew up poor, We grew up poor. My family had nothing.

(08:42):
And then both their families had to come to and
be like, we weren't actually, and they both realized now
they weren't. They just like weren't rich, which isn't the
same thing, but it's interesting because in all the earlier
books about the Spice Girls the story, they always tell
us that when Victoria got famous, she would tell everyone
that she wanted her parents to drive them to school
in the van, not the rolls Royce because they get
made fun of and all these sorts of things. So

(09:03):
she's she's been trying to be working class for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Imagine your kids becoming so famous and they're like, we
grew up poor parents are praw.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
And watching them on TV in your mansion, Like I
grew up in a shed.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I grew up in a shed. My parents had no money.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Like I was saying when we did our initial review.
It also has that slight kind of Megan Markle tint
to the beginning of her story, because so much of
the documentary is showing clips from the past and then
filming in present day, and it's also her and other
people who know her talking to camera, and in those
first few clips, in the first episode of her talking
to camera, she's talking about the fact that she was

(09:39):
always felt that she was outsider at school. She said
she was bullied, and she's basically saying that she was
an ugly duckling. The same way Megan Marchael always says
that she was a bit of an ugly duckling. The
issue with that is and maybe I'm sure she felt
that way, and she talks at being bullied quite extensively,
and I'm sure that is probably true. But then it
cuts to her.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
And she looks stunning.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
She's studying.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
So that is the story of every terror.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
The video editor cold Netflix, someone's like, do we have
anything where she looks ugly, she looks like she's even
like she's got a bit of acne tooth, anything like, yeah,
we sent to you. And she's performing for her class
and she looks so pretty. She's doing a solo and
they're all chopping for her, and she's like, that was
my darkest time. It's like all those kind of like
teen fantasy books where the girl who's like the main

(10:27):
character is saying how she's not attractive, and when all
the supernatural creatures meet her, like she's beautiful and she
just doesn't know it. Do you think we're beautiful? And
I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
My skin by unblemish skin, so light, I just float
away on a cloud.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I'm still hoping for that revealed that I've never touched
the ground. I'm so every woman in a fantasy book.
Every woman in a fantasy book. Megan Marthall Victoria back beautiful,
long curly locks.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I can only tame them in a braid.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, if we are secretly beautiful, do let us know.
If we're not, Please keep rolls, Please leave them alone.
She's been through enough, so we sort of see that
through her childhood. But we also see how she wanted
to be famous so badly. And what I thought was
really interesting Revealer is that her parents. The thing about
people who become famous is I'm finding their parents just

(11:22):
really believed in them. I don't know what that's like.
But her parents re mortgage the house to send her
to all these dance schools and give her all this
professional training. This is what I thought was interesting, And
this has been really glossed over. They like pretty much
put their entire lives on the line to make their
daughter famous because they thought she was a star, probably
because she was beautiful. And when they went to one

(11:43):
of her first big concerts, they realized that she wasn't
actually that good and she'd been put in the back row.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
From that bit, I don't remember that bit, but that's
so huge funny.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Her parents are talking to camera. That's in the beginning
of that. I think no one else picked up, but
they were just like, yeah, we got there, and they're like, oh,
she's been put in the back row, like she's not good.
And then it gets a bit more serious because they're
talking about the fact that the school was saying that
she was overweight and were treating her really badly, and
her Mum's like, imagine saying that to basically a child,
And that obviously went on to kind of spur a

(12:14):
lot of the eating disorder.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
And I went into her adulthood, like went she was
Wade on National TV and stuff like that never ever
left her exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
So we see that and we see her sort of
like that moment where she's graduated and she's going in
to be like a professional performing artist and she's going
to school, and then we segue into the Spice Girls auditions.
What did you think of that moment?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh my god, I was locked in, Yeah, and I
thought you would be. I couldn't tell what was like
actual like archival footage and what was footage from what
I'm presuming is Spice World.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
When she goes in she sings a musical theater song.
She was the only girl in the auditions to.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
You remember that, And I remember going, oh, this is
when she's singing musical theater and I remember you telling
me that, like everyone else was singing poppy song. And
I'm like, you know, she's a pretty good singer.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
No, she's a great singer. I said. She got the
highest marks in the audition. Why did they always put
her on the chorus? Why didn't I don't know one verse? No,
They're always like, hey, Victoria, why don't you walk? I
pretend to take a photo of yourself and she's like, okay,
I know, Justice of Victoria. Yes, that is our kybal
footage of her of her first Spice Girls audition. I

(13:20):
lost my mind when I saw that because I hadn't
seen that before.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I can't believe she sang that song like her parents
are re mortgaging the house and they're like, you bring
out that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, that was great. I thought that was the purpose.
It's a risk. It is a risk, but it made
her stand out and it's a difficult song to sing.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
So yeah, I think it made her standard against like
the dozens of girls who were all singing like the
pop song at the moment, and it kind of showed
her range and she was doing that's just you know
what it's like.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Similarly, Lewis Hamilton, famous race car driver. Yeah, he also
grew up in like a poor family. Like they poor family,
a real poor family. I only had two pools, like literally, no,
they were poor, poor, which is like so uncommon for
race car drivers because I all that. So they actually
were struggling to make money to put him into like
go karting and stuff. That's the equivalent of him going

(14:07):
to a race and I don't know, like riding a
motorcycle or a bar.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I'm just trying something different than a go kart, like
pushing with his feet is I'm just trying to show
you what lois. What the hell I think you can say?
It worked out for Victoria Beckham. So that's the original
footage from the auditions. The clip you're talking about is
from the Spice World movie, the one where they're on
the bus. Yes, again, I nearly died because as previously stated,

(14:32):
I know a few of you have been sending us
links and we are going to try them. You can't
get that movie anywhere. Yeah, and so you had a
look at the original Spice World movie, and that is
one of my favorite scenes.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I was really agree because they are so bad at acting,
but it's so fun.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
But they're playing themselves, so the scene they.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Whi makes it even weirder that they're so bad.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I love it that the scene that they played from
the Spice World movie was to show that Victoria loved
the brand Guccie. But the scene you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Wear the Gucci dress or the Gucci dress or the
Gucci dress, that's not the line.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
What is the line. The line is they're on their bus.
The part the bus is a huge part of the
movie because it's a normal bus from the outside, but
when they get on the basket it's Harry but it's
the size of this office, and they all have their
own areas and they get on. They're getting ready and
Victorious is a lie. My brother quotes this all the
time because he grew watching the Spice Word movie with us.

(15:24):
I never know what to wear, That's what Victoria says.
And then Melby goes.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
How evident of like men who've only had sisters.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Anytime one of my sisters are ready to say anything
about getting dress or getting ready. He says that why
it's gonna kill me. He doesn't listen. Come on, it's fine,
come on, Andrew, give it a listen, and then she
says that three times. She goes, it's such a big
decision between the little Gucci dress, the little Gucci dress
or the little Gucci dress, and goes Melsie, and Victoria

(15:55):
goes and she's holding up a little Guccie dress and
she goes, exactly, I was really, well, thank you, I
watched a.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Thousand times clapping, and.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
That was to show all of their different personas. It's
the first part of the movie. Okay, I really want
to I know. Okay, we're gonna figure it out. Okay, okay,
no spoilers, no spoilers. So we kind of see the
build up there and we go a little bit into
like the Spice Girl's law. But the same time, what
you're also seeing is the moment where she decided that
she didn't want to be a pop star anymore. She

(16:24):
kind of doesn't get into the fact that she did
try to be a solo artist. That does with the documentary.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I hinted to it, like you say, you had kind
of performing with like some DJs and stuff, which was
news to me. I had no idea she tried to
do a solo thing.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Oh yeah, I think she actually went the hardest to
be a solo artist. Again, things that the documentary skimmed
over again because I think she's trying to tell the
story she wants to tell, and you're seeing this footage
of her on stage and the voiceover that she's saying
is like, I realized I didn't want to be there anymore,
and I didn't know what I wanted to do, and
all these kind of things. But what she kind of
skipped over is that she lised a solo album and

(16:58):
a lot of singles, and I think the singles kind
of did okay ish but no hits, and then the
album did terribly.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Was Jerry getting hits?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well? Jerry came out with a lot of bangers and
like re recorded a lot of hits like It's Rainy Men,
and then she recorded a look at Me, which is
a banger of a pop song. Sometimes I still listen
to it. I don't know any Victoria's solo songs. I
think I did listen. I came out, No, they were
not bops, and she tried She's not a natural like
performer on stage, which is so weird.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Which is what she says in the docco she realized,
you know how.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Sometimes people say, like if you have a lot of
girls together, they kind of like cancel each other out.
And I think, like when they're on stage together, I
remember her being great, and she was great. I want
to take that away from her. But it's interesting that
she couldn't carry that over to a solo career. Yeah,
because she did try. She would tour, she would go
on TV shows and sing, she would perform like she

(17:50):
would really getting out there to sell her music, and
no one was buying it. Again, it did okay because
she's Victoria Beckham, but she didn't really have any breakout hits. Well.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
She also talked about how she wanted to be more
than just like David Beckham's wife. Yeah, and I feel
like that's where you start seeing her try a lot
of different things and like really pushed that like entrepreneur
like spirit that she has, like quite harshly in a
way that she was like, I don't care how this
makes me look. I just need to do something different.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting too, how like there's all
those scenes where you can see her coming out like
when he was playing for Real Madrid. I think it
was when she's coming in another hotel on the hot
pants and the single it with the bet and she's
got a fake boobs and her hair extensions. I thought
that was one of the interesting things, is where she
talks about the fact that she was trying to get attention.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yes, she was like the o G wag.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, she didn't want to fall out of the conversation.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, oh my god. That whole storyline of her being
a wag was so intense for me really. Yeah. I
think it was the fact that like it started off
and you see it in the documentary, like she was
a spice girl. David Beckham had only just started out
in football, and it was a huge difference in like fame,
and it was she was the most famous one, like

(18:59):
she was one who bought Beckingham Palace.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah. Huge. I thought it was important that he said
all that because, as you know later on, the tables
really did flip. But yeah, when they got together, she
was world famous, like the most famous person in the world,
and he was I had never heard of David Beckham
until he married for Torri Beckham and then like worldwide
he wasn't famous sports fans you.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
And then like they had that big wedding and she
had Brooklyn and then it's like kind of like switched
after the Spie Girls, where then he just became so
so famous and like everyone was just following his career
and to the point where like everyone loved him so
much that they started hating her, Yeah, because they were like, why,
like she's ruining his career. Yeah, and I'm like he
lives in her house.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I know. There was that whole thing Remer. People were
angry that she caught and told him he was she
was pregnant right before he went to play like a
really big game. And then people were bullying her because
they thought that her revealing her pregnancy had caused his
team to.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Lose pregnancy to the father of her child. Yeah, I
have been preparing for the biggest fashion show I have
ever done. We were millions in the red.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
It made me panic. That's just what you felt like
when you came to watch he played football. I want
my kids, I'm David to be proud of me.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's taken so long to get to this point. I'm
not gonna let it slips through my fingers again.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Sorry, much about this documentary as just saying it's an
ad for the House of Victoria Mecha and I bought
into it. Yeah you did again, you were trying to
buy the T shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I felt far. I did what they needed me
to do.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm very conflicted about what I think of her as
maybe not a designer. I mean, she says she designs
them all herself, and I'm sure that's mostly true.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well, she confessed she's not a drawer.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yah, she's a raper. I get things we didn't know
about until I'm like.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh, maybe I can be in fashion.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I can drape, you can drape, you can make a collection.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, I can drape on myself, which is what she does.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Think there might be a little bit more to it,
but again we didn't really get to see that and
then inside of it too much. But it's interesting because
so much the documentary, apart from trying to sell her
wares to us, so much of the documentary is saying, like,
you've all misjudged Victoria Beckham. She's this incredible creative force.
No one believed in her, everyone underestimated her, and look
what she can do, and look what she's done, and

(21:14):
there was an element of that, Like I think the
documentary was really pushing this big, kind of fairy tale
ending of how she came out on top, but I
was never completely buying that story all the way through.
Why not no one starts a fashion brand without huge,
huge investment, Like it's just one of those things you
can't do unless you have a huge It's like becoming
a race card driver. You can't do it unless you
have a huge amount of money. So that doesn't make

(21:35):
her any different. But I think there was so much
in it talking about like the amount of times that
David Beckham had to bail her out with his money.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Really interesting, Like I could kind of feel the embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, And not that I'm judging her for that, and
I explaining that, well, I just think that it's twofold
because on one hand, there's more pressure on her because
everyone would have loved to see Posh Spice fail and
as Anna Wintur who is in the documentary, a lot
of people are pushing her, were pushing her to fail
and stuff. But also so much of her fame is
what brought in the attention and the headlines and the

(22:09):
client base and then, and the fact that that company
went for so many years losing such a huge, extreme
amount of money, and the fact that David was bailing
her out and she was spending seventy thousand dollars on
office plants.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
And fifteen thousand dollars for someone to water them.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, and flying chairs from one side of the world
and back just because someone liked the beige color of
this cushion, all these crazy things. It's like, I think
what it is is I can hold her up as
a good designer, but I can't hold her up as
a good business woman. And I think that's what she
wanted us to think she was. But I was like,
you're actually doesn't seem like you're that good at business.
You just had enough power and fame and friends and

(22:45):
family money from your husband well to make a good dream.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
I think she tried to push because, like in the
documentary she even said like she was so embarrassed that
it got to a point where she was spending so
much feraruless money that she didn't realize and like what
was shown but not said was like these two men
had to essentially bail her out exactly I meant David
Beckham and then her now business partner. It was like
a man as well, I had to like come in

(23:09):
to help.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's always thinking again again, I don't think that women
have to be held to this heightened sort of sense
of like solo independence where you're only successful if you
do it completely by yourself.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
And also like you have to be successful at every aspect.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, but I also think there is sometimes that unspoken
thing of like it's like with the spic skills, it's
that idea of like girl pale, but also it's my
husband's money and my male business partner who came into,
as she said, not just give her more money, but
run the business side of it and advise her.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
And even the way he chose to come on was
also a bit icky for me.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh with his wife, Yeah, it sounded like a lie.
I'll just say it. That sounded like a lie. Okay,
he said that just for the documentary.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I believe it was a lie because it sounded bad.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
There's no way a businessman who has that amount of
money and for that amount of investment, for anyone who's
on a cross out section of the documentary he's talking
about he had turned down becoming a business partner of
Victoria Beckham, and she was devastated because it was the
last kind of thing that would save the business. And
then he was taking his wife out on a date.
She came down and looked beautiful and then he's like, oh,

(24:13):
why do you look so beautiful and she said, well,
I'm wearing Victoria Beckham and then he decided to invest.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
But there are businessmen who do that. I think it's
so common for men to do that. Like I remember
hearing stories about a list actors wanting to like go
to One Direction concert and support them because their daughters
really love One Direction. No, I know, but there's a
specific type of person.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's the big difference between going to a one Direction
concert and then investing fifty million dollars into a brand
that unlesson. But you don't think he.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Actually did that because he comes across the phone.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I'm sure there was more to it than that. He
was just trying to tell like a fun story for
his wife. You should do it, And I'm like, okay,
I'm worrying Victoria Beckham. Of course, on the day you
turn down the deal, oh.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
God, can someone can someone a list to please listen
to the spill when they're talking to the next business.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
You're like, just get some advice.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Get some advice, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, so againshing Victoria beckhams Obviously I do love her,
but maybe this is interesting to kind of see. You know,
if you just saw her six it would just look
like she had just built this huge, flawless business up
on her own. But the truth of the matter is
it was losing money, which I do I think they
had to address it because I actually think part of
her would have loved to have buried that away. But
it was front page news across every news outlet. The

(25:25):
first time they.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Posted it was like hobbybares are out.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, the first time they posted a massive loss, and
then another one, and then word came out that David
Beckham had put more money in, and then the sales
figures came out that they had fallen again.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
And the only thing they didn't mention because but they
also kind of mentioned in the first documentary, I couldn't
work out where the alleged affair happened. Oh, it happened
during that timeline.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
It happened when he first moved to Madrid to play
for Real Madrid and she was still in London. With
Brooklyn and Romeo. It happened in that time period, but yeah, everyone.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Was still hating her. Yeah, oh no, I a.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Lot of timeline. Well she deserved it because she looks mean.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, a sad cow. That's what they held Ah see. Okay,
so I cried in this document did you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Okay? Wow? Wow?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I think it was like the end of episode two,
was it called kill the Wag or something? Killed the
Wag at the end of episode two and she's obviously
getting ready for like her first massive, massive show in
Paris outside in the Rain.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I loved those scenes. I was like, you know, I
think everyone wants this tell of Victoria Beckham's life. We're
obviously never going to get that. I would have watched
six hours of just her and her team putting together
that fashion show. It was I felt was sooth and
my really, what's gonna happen to gidd How's she gonna
make it down that way?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think that's literally like this documentary. I felt like
it's perfect for people who didn't know much about Victoria
Beckham because I just bought into everything.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, that's what a documentary for a point of view.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
And the stakes for me were just so so high,
like at the end of episode two when everything was
going wrong and she had to remove herself and kind of.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Just like, yeah, I cried what because you would just
overcome with what she was going for.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And I was like, what if it doesn't happen, What
if the rain's really bad?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Like I was strapping her Parisian castle out, and I was.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Like, She's been through so much. And it was like
also the way they framed it was just so clever
in the sense of like using all those interviews where
people are like banging her out about her looks and
like her weight and being weighed on a scale, and
how she like suffered in eating disorder and like basically
like having to raise children kind of alone because David
was like always overseas alleges like having a her and

(27:39):
just like how for the longest time the world hated
her so much. And she talks about in comparison with
like Eva Longoria, her friend who's like famous actress, and
how she like was so jealous that Eva could just
be herself in front of the cameras and even until
this day, Victoria can't do that. Yeah, she has to
be like change herself completely in front of the camera.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, that's so interesting because for a long time Eva Longoria,
after Desperate Housewives finished, she was just seen as a wag.
She and I can't remember the name now. She was
married to a very famous basketball player and they had
the biggest blowout wedding than you have ever seen, like
the biggest celebrity wedding, like thirty brides meads. She had

(28:20):
a dressed that like I've gone now, I think I've
got I've exaggerated, but not my much, Like basically amount
of people at my wedding it was around ten. But
she has a lot of sisters and cousins.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I gotta be like, mad, you're had.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
She had this beautiful I remember seeing the pictures of
the magazine just being like the train could have stretched
down like the main street outside of this office with
silver and it was this whole huge thing. It was
on the front cover of every magazine. And then he
cheated on her. This wedding was on the front page
of like every magazine. They're on red carpets together, our
producers telling me his name is Tony Parker. How dare
we say that man's name on this podcast?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
And she was yeah, but she was like embraced being
a wag. She was like, not that she wanted to
be called that because she was also like a business woman,
but she was like, I love this man. I'm going
to do anything even though I'm a famous actress. And
then he cheated on her and she's like accumiliated. So
I feel like she and Victoria Beckham, even though Victoria
stayed with David, I feel like there's some bonding over that.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah. I would have bonded. Yeah, I would have wondered
hard for.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
They're just sitting somewhere on the floor drinking there tequila
waters because it's what they drink because they're like it's
no calories, and like bonding over there cheating sportsman.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I also found like the little cuts to the children
trying Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, so we have Harper you know what's really cute?
Harper seven Beckham when she came in to introduce her
mom at the magazine.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Oh my god, that nearly made me cry again.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
You know, I thought when she was like, I'm just like,
is this girl out of touch or dor children now
just not know like magazine titles because no one really
reads magazines anymore. When she goes whattage of her. She's
looking around Harper, She's looking around, and then she looks
at her mum. She goes, why is Harpers Bizarre written
all over the walls? And Victoria Becan goes, it's the
name of the magazine that's honoring me, And Harper goes, oh,

(29:59):
I thought it was for me, just like and then
just goes about her business. And I was like, is
that a kid thing or is that an extremely wealthy
nepo baby thing that she thought they'd just written her name?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It is a kid thing?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, Like, I know I'm not ragging on half on.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
But if it's an eper baby thing, come on, bick,
come on, get it together together, teach these kids.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes, we saw her getting fitted for her dress, which
was very cute. Saw Romeo and his girlfriend, yeah, slinking
in the back.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Oh my god. His girlfriend was like locked in. Yeah,
she was like ready to talk and like every time
she went to talk. So I just kept away and
she was like, you look beautiful, and she's like thank you.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
And I was like, no, no, no, Victoria's had enough
with her son's ladies. She's like and she was at
the show. But his much older girlfriend who's like ten
years older than him. I don't know if they were
together because it was a while ago, but whoever he
was with kept getting.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Crude, and David met him giving his two cents and
everyone just ignoring him, like, not just Victoria, but everyone
in that room ignoring Me's like, don't you think that
dress is too long for Harper? And no one says anything.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
David, You're not wanted here, You're just you're here, just
here for the money and nothing else.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Even he said in the docor he's like, I like
to give my.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, no one takes it. Yeah. The stakes of that
fashion show felt so high, I guess because she'd gone
from doing that small showing in just a room and
each year getting a bit bigger, a bit bigger to
an entire Parisian castle that they had rented out with
that outdoor space, and like this, how high the stakes were.
It was so funny because I'd love to see what
Victoria Beckham is like when the camera's not on her,

(31:32):
because I think she's beat in front of a camera
for so long, and she's so curated and that's why
she never smiles out in the street and everything. So
it's such a specific way and I think she had
given herself a brief before this started that she was
going to come across as warm and caring. But I
get the feeling that she's not like that all the time,
nor should she be, because she's the boss. Yeah, she
doesn't have to be warm and caring. But there were

(31:53):
so many moments where you just see people around her
being a little bit nervous and her being like overly nice.
And I was watching it and I was like, I
just know that she doesn't act like that all the time.
You know how the model was shivering, yeah, and she
was really cold. And Victoria Beckham herself as her show's
got to start, everything's happening, She's got hundreds of people outside.
Everyone behind the scenes is running around, you know, trying

(32:14):
to get things together. Everyone needs Victoria. And she's going
and getting the blanket for the model and she's putting
it around her. Then she goes it's another blanket and
she puts it around her and she's rubbing her and
she's like are you okay? Are you okay? And everyone
around her is looking at her being like what are
you doing, which makes you think that she doesn't normally
behave like that.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well, there was another scene where she tells one of
the designers, Hey, just letting you know the auffort I
got still had the pins in the bra.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh is that bit?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
That designer looked like they were going to die in
that moment. She literally looked down like as if she's
about to cry, and she's like, I'm so sorry, I'm
so sorry, and she's like it's fine, like it's not
an issue because it's me, but it's an issue if
it happens on Friday.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Can I tell you the other thing that I feared
for this woman's life. When the show's going on and
the first few models are going out and one model
comes out and she's holding her hand bag. I nearly
fell off my Carrie. I was so strossed. And she's
holding the bag and Victoria's like, that's the wrong bag,
and then she's like, doesn't say anything. And then the
woman comes over who gave her the bag, and she's like,
I'm so sorry, Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm

(33:14):
so sorry, I'm so sorry, and Victoria doesn't say anything,
but I'm just saying, has anyone I heard from that
woman since or her family? I does anyone know where
she is. I felt that in my burns.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I felt like I was going to get fired. She
didn't even make eye contact with her.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
No, that's what I mean, not with the camera on them.
So I wonder what actually happens if she's difficult behind
the scenes. Victoria Beckham, she's allowed to because she's the boss,
so that's fine. I'm not saying that women are always
like that, but I'm just saying this particular. I just
feel like it was very performative for the camera, and
you could see how that woman was petrified. And again,
have we seen her since or is she buried under date?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Running on that run when bag off that model?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
What about the model who came in with the scarred knee?
Oh my god. I would have gone and got my
leg chopped off on a new one sewed on before I.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Came in Paris. Yes, I get it. You're allowed to
see the sides you have. You're one job is to
walk down a runway, has your legs on the show,
so you decide to get on a bike.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, And it was actually Paris is all cobblestone and gravel.
What do you expect is going to happen?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I've been to Paris twice in my life, and I
saw like eight people fall down.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
You're saying I fell down multiple times. I haven't.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, because she was sensible and I don't get on
those bikes. That's crazy, not a line bike. She's like,
don't even stop. No, I know I have a mine
on her own. They just like, can someone just tell
her she's out of the show. If I was Victoria
beckhams per I had been like, hey, girl, so you're
not in the show anymore because your knees are messed up,
get out.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
And I bet that did happen, but they tilted the camera.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Luckily she had to wear that crazy skirt that they
weren't too sure about.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yes, was that skirt keeping up at night? Oh my god,
this is the most stressed I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
You were stress so kind of like I think the
knee was like a blessing in disguise. Yeah, because she
got toward that little pink top with like black pants,
the skirt looked so much better.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I don't mean to put her allegations. Do you think
it was like a Tanya Harding situation? Victoria Beckham paid
someone to go and mess up that woman's knee pushed.
They pushed her off the bike. She didn't say what
happened on the David David running behind her.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
He kicks watch you weren't in My wife show.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
He's like, this is all my money. It's David and
her business. It's like they wanted him to kick a
football so badly that in the last scene, a football
just appears and they make it look like the neighbors
that neighbors kicked it over, but there's no neighbors around there.
This woman was riding her bike through Paris and David's
on the other side of the river and he just knocks.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
The footballing for the documentary, Yeah, I've got my one job.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I had to kick this.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I need to kick this.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
So they took that. So I just think there's a
lot of people from the Beckham team potentially missing documentary.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Oh, we have find them. But it's fine that model
didn't apologize she was.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Kicked by David Beckham. She's been through enough.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
It's like, Okay, what if we were doing like a
live podcast on stage and we would not be allowed
to do because we really every week and we'll say really,
with their cancer, we have like the whole week we've
known this. Yeah, we've been prepping for it. We've been
practicing some for it. The morning of the podcast, we
decide to enter a screaming competition.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, we're like, let's just do this thing. We try
and recreate hot ones and just burn our vocal calls.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Then we come and then we call can't talk, so
we have to text you to be like hey, Manisha
a producer, So we don't have any vocal cords anymore,
so we can't talk.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
And then we get Then we're like, hey, I love
how you give me this woman who's probably getting paid
like ten dollars for like a thirty hour work week,
tuned over two days, giving her this villain villain origin
story in the background. Yeah, who knew.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I don't know that it was gonna come out of me.
Well there, you forgot about that story aloud until you
brought it up.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, clearly you've been thinking about it a lot. The
other villain there, I'm gonna say, was anawin tour. At
least she kind of speaks her mind because she gets
there and she is you got two castles, David. Yeah, no, no,
I'm going to say something about Anna Wintour. So when
she gets there, she's clearly not happy to be there,
and she makes it of a statement that every designer
thinks that their show is the show, and every designer

(37:23):
wants you to drive four hours to their castle and
the countryside, and that's important on Friday night exactly in
the pouring trentch Or rain and then make you walk
down six flights of crumbling stairs. She could have killed
Anna Wintour great for documentary views. Oh my god, she
nearly toppled over it.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
And she's could have fallen on the model and she
would have scraped hard and.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Me taken out gig as well. Did Can you imagine Nicola,
they're all gone. Imagine that guy who's like sweeping the rain.
He doesn't know if the bodies is about to deal with.
So anyway, Anna Winto didn't die the show spoiler all
that Freddie who was the documentary. But she does sort

(38:02):
of say that like for her and her colleagues, they're
doing like all the fashion week circuits and so by
this to work there tie, yeah, they have gone to
so many venues and shows and travel or they just
want to see the clothes and get out of there.
And she didn't want to drive to a castle and
then she's angry about the rain, and so she says
that Victoria is facing a crowd that's not very happy

(38:23):
with her, yeah, which I think she's kind of doing
that to set the scenes.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
And be like, I'm not happy with her that too.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
But I think she's setting the scene a little bit
so that when the show is received well, it's kind
of like even more important because she had more obstacles
stacked against her.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
The funny thing is is that everyone in the team
is way way more nervous about Anna Winter than they
are about Victoria. Like when Anna Winters trying to make
a joke where I think one of the systems comes
to her and be like, oh, we have to seat
you at the other castle, and she's like to David,
oh you have two castles.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, and he just ignores her.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And then she's coming down the slippery steps and she's like, oh,
it's a bit wet over here, and they just fully are.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Like yeah, yeah. They're like if we just don't mention it,
she won't pick it up. But then she's sitting with
David at the show. Here's my thing, I don't know
if Anna Wintle liked the clothes because she really say,
but you know what she did like sitting next to David,
she was having the time of her.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Body was turned towards him. She wasn't even looking at it.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
He was putting on a show. He had one job
that night. He's ignoring his children and various sexual partners.
Sitting next to her. He's like, I'm not dealing with
that right now, And he was focusing all his attention
on Anna. And I think that David Beckham can be
quite a charming man.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
That's what I would do. Have a dinner with.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
David can be saying the whole and he was.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
You could think he's the type of person that will
make no matter who he's like with, feels so so comfortable,
even if it's like going out of his debt to
do so, like he would do that.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
But I also think he was protecting. I'm just saying
he doesn't like Anna Wintour. They've been pictured together a lot.
They're in with the royal family, they're in with like
the crowd in London and New York, the fashion crowd,
like they're in it together. So I'm sure that he
does like her, but I also think he was protecting
his investment because he was like, the better time she has,
the better she's going to like these clothes because she's
already upset that she had to drive and she's rained
on and so he is like doing almost a stand

(40:08):
up comedy routine. If you look at the shots in
the background, he's telling her jokes, he's got his hands
in the air, he's smiling at her, he's leaning in.
She's not even looking at the clothes, just looking at
David Beckham's face. Yeah, and that's why I think she
likes the collection. He did his job because she had
a wonderful time. So then there's that moment at the
end where you probably cried again where they're all like
behind the scenes and celebrating and hugging Victoria. She looks

(40:31):
like she's about to cry because she's finally a success.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Cry Well, what's making her the money is actually her
beauty brand, which I thought was interesting, was kind of
just touched on, but then skatering.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, we've talked about her beauty brand quite a few
times on the Spill, mainly because she does like the
piece to camera videos with David Beckham in the bed
behind her. Very good marketing, great mark. If anything, she's
great at marketing. She knows what she's doing. Oh yeah, yeah,
it was just the beauty brand. The whole thing was
just really interesting because it's just like and we have
this as well.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, but it was giving people like a more affordable
touch point and also the fact that she was able
to market through her own social videos and that was
a big time. When Victoria Beckhams started going live and
started doing makeup tutorial we never saw her otherwise, Yeah, exactly.
It was like the only time she allowed herself to
be like a little less curated.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I do feel like she was being very reserved in
front of the camera through the whole documentary and that
they were trying so hard to like to make it
seem like you were seeing the real Victoria. Yeah, but
I don't even think she knows what that is anymore.
I think she's so she's been scrutinized for so long,
she's been.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Playing she's like kind of like this I'm home with
her family.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
To an extent, like she's very kind of I don't know,
it's hard to say because this little stiffens now, but
there are like clips of her like on other reality
shows or behind the scenes footage and things from like
the last twenty years where she is a lot more
outspoken and a lot less kind of like a lady
of the manner.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
No matter what, every time he talks about her, he
always like hones in on, like how funny and smiley
and laughing and goofy she is.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, and I'm sure that's all true. I get it
doesn't go with her kind of persona. There's a viral
clip that was going around where she was filming for
something and with her when they were doing like she's
just like sitting up on the kitchen bench, like she's
got makeup on, but she's not all done up. They
were talking about people they wouldn't want to come to
a dinner party, and the person says Eddie Murphy, and
she's like, oh, because you know, Eddie Murphy did that
terrible stuff to Melby and wouldn't admit that the baby

(42:24):
that she had was his Nancy Attorney test and he
was saying he didn't date her, but he did date
her all these things, and Victoria Beckham's like, oh, I
wouldn't want to hear. I'd punch him in the face,
like cut his dick off. All this sort of stuff,
and I was like, where's that Victoria Beckham's That's how
she talks to her friend. For sure, Gloria is a
good time from what we've seen. She's not hanging out
with a boring person. So Victoria Beckham must be fun.

(42:47):
It's just that she's not well.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
David says she's wrong. It's funny because he always says
she's fun, and she never says it about herself.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
She just says that she's kind of She's like.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I smile, guys, you just don't see it.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
What did you think about how she talked about her
eating disorders and her body in the documentary because I
was a little conflicted about all that. Oh were you well?
I just think, like I know that she was really
raped over the calls, as she's saying, from a young age,
like in dancing school she was told that she was
too big to be a dancer. And then I think
when she was first like getting into the Spice Girls,

(43:19):
because she would also wear the little Gucci dresses, people
would really pick her body apart if she didn't look perfect,
And so she.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Was also pregnant during that.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yes, as real, she got smaller and smaller, and then
she was weighth on TV after she gave birth to Brooklyn.
That was all awful, but at the same time, it's
just hard because she's both a victim of this toxic
diet culture and these terrible expectations and a perpetrator of it.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Through her fashion line.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Through her fashion line, through the way she speaks through
just it's like she's very complicit in that smaller so
much better. And I think she wanted to sort of
say like, hey, guys, I went through this, and it's like, yes,
we know, but I don't know. But the thing is,
she used to completely deny it. She used to complete
wish again. I understand, because you're having a whole life dissector.
There's things happening behind the scenes, and you're and you're

(44:03):
so much younger, Like you know, when you're in your fifties,
you would be able to say you have more clarity
and I think more strengthen when you do in your twenties.
But she always used to deny that she had anythings,
she's any kind of eating disorder. She also used to
say that she ate a lot of people just didn't
see it. And there was that time when remember David
Beckham were on a food podcast and he was talking
about how much he loves to go out for dinners

(44:24):
and things, and he's like, it's one of the greatest
sadnesses of my life that I want to have dinner
with Victoria or share food with her and she doesn't eat.
And it became like worldwide news because the stance from
the beck and camp had always been like she eats
so much, how dare you? So it was the first
time they had alluded to anything like that, and even
the documentary. I thought it was interesting that he said
to her as they were going out to that dinner,

(44:45):
do you want a chocolate? And he pulls a chocolate out.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
And she's like that chopp in twenty years yeah, which
is insane.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Again, because how do you avoid that? Well, sometimes I
have chocolate accident.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Oh my god, how they have.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
It's just in the well, we have some pretty good
snack draws. It's like sleepwalking, Yeah, you eat some chocolate.
It's interesting because I think she was trying to sort
of It's like the curtain's fallen a little bit and
she's like, I'm going to let you guys see how
I actually in real life, which is that I don't eat, Yeah,
because that's always been the kind of stance there.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, that was a bit uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, I just maybe wish they delved a little more
into it.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
But like she drinks, yeah, which I like. I feel like,
I feel like a bit uncomfortable where it's like seeing
her consume like alcohol quite consistently, yeah, like casually, like
out at events and stuff, but like never ever seeing
any food around her. I feel like. But I don't
know if that was like telling like they did that
on purpose.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
It's more that I just wish they had kind of
delved into it a little bit more. So, I'm like,
if you're going to acknowledge it in a way, and
obviously there's so much more to the story, maybe say
it a bit more and also talk a little bit
about how now, with your brands and the persona you
put out and the models you choose and the photos
you choose and the products that you work with and
all this sort of stuff, that you are keeping this

(46:03):
tradition of thin only thin is best, everyone must not eat.
You're keeping that going even though you're talking about how
damaging it is. And then she was saying, like, but
I don't like harperceny of that because I don't want
her to grow up like that, which I think is
super important. And that's why I think when she's got
the Victoria Beckham dress on and she's trying on for
the event, for the runway, you can just see Victoria

(46:24):
going it only matters if you're comfortable. If only matters
if you're comfortable. Yeah, And I just don't thinking about
how eating disorders get passed between families. I'm just like,
is that what you're saying behind the scenes. I don't know.
I didn't get enough. Well.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I mean, like Harper will watch this, yeah, so it's
like she will see.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
It, but also she would have seen it, like she's
got off with it being her mother, like if she's
she still has an eating disorder or something like, we
just don't know, but like if it's in the house,
then you're going to see it. I just I don't know.
I feel like Victoria Beckham for so long was like
the face of this movement of skinny is Best, and
then she was the face of like this is what
we do to women in the public eye and all
these things. Like she's been that for over thirty years.

(46:58):
I just wish they would have touched on that a
bit more.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, so should be like is she meant to like
pick aside?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I don't know if I want her to pick a side,
And I also don't want her to say like because
I agree.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I think what she's doing is like she's being very
careful of like not trying to sound like a hypocrite.
And it's interesting because like the eating disorder, Like when
she was talking about the eating disorder, it sounded like
so horrific what she went through and like what the
public was saying about her and her body and stuff
like that. But I think it's also really hard to

(47:29):
talk about it like that but while you're still also
probably going through it.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah exactly, Like that's I mean, I feel like she's
still really in the throes of it, but she wouldn't
say that, Yeah because.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Becau doesn't that Also, like it just like adds another
layer of damage.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah exactly. It doesn't also fit with the message of
the documentary was like it's meant to be like this
fairy tale ending, like look at her. Everything's great now,
she's a successful business, great family, she's so healthy and happy.
Everyone loves her. Like that were really trying to hit
you over the head with that message, and so talking
about the fact that she might still have an eating disorder. Again,
we don't know, but we're just kind of going off
things that she says in the documentary, all the fact

(48:03):
that she really perpetrates that idea in fashion and beauty
that Thinness is best because of her fashion line not
being sized inclusive, and her the models she's choosing, and
just just everything about it. I'm not expecting Victoria Beckham
to fix that problem, but she's only one person, one rich,
powerful person. But I just felt like it was a
bit of a missed opportunity. And I think it's because

(48:23):
the documentary is from her and she got to pick everything,
and I would have loved to see what a documentary
maker who could come in and just tell the story
as a third party with.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Like most celebrity documentaries where they are like the creator,
the producer, the direct Like it's doesn't feel like it's
not true, right, Yeah, but I think it feels you're
just watching like a movie exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
But I think that's going back to what we were
saying at the top of the episode, is like you've
got to watch it in just the spirit it was intended. Yeah,
And the spirit it's intended is that it's meant to
be how Victoria Beckham wants us to see her, the
same way Miss Americana was about how Taylor Swift wants
us to see her and all these other famous people
who put out documentaries and it's like they're doing an

(49:06):
Instagram dump. It's a snapshot of how they want to
be seen and a curation of their lives. And it's
a highlights reel. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
It is.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
It's a highlights reel with a few, like when you're
doing an Instagram dump, you always like to put a
few like out of focus shots in there to show
that you're real.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
It's a great description.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
With your glossy shot a real girl. Yeah, to show
that you're a real girl. I think that's what the
slubs do. They put a few messy moments and.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
They learned from the best.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
They need to get you in there to actually exactly
let me direct this on the final point. So we
end the documentary with David and Victoria in their expansive ground.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I found that really funny. Did you why well explain
the grounds? Explain the ground?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
There are extensive grounds in their home and the Cotswals,
Yeah palace different rid of Beckingham Palace. Beckingham Palace was
the home that they bought when they were first got together.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
You know how David's talk about the fact that everyone
in his family wanted him to marry like a Manchester
and Manchester got non famous girl because I guess they
wanted a woman who would just be a wife, and
so he married like the most famous woman in the world.
But but they were just in love. And then you
had that scene where they're walking together and then I
just feel like so much was cut out there. Yeah,
because it's like they're walking together and he kicks the.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Foot measure, we're seeing his big garden.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, I was seeing his garden. He kicks the football
to the fake neighbors, and then they're sitting down and
it's like she has this breakdown to him, apologizing for taking.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Him, a literal two minute breakdown.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
And then I was fine, what I felt like that
must have been a leader or is she just that
good of an actress and Spicy World lied to us
she's a great actress. I don't know. I just I
feel like.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I thought it was quite interesting and the part that
I laughed at is like when he was like questioning
her and being like, why do you put so much
pressure on yourself? Like who are you doing this for?
And she's like, I'm doing it for you, And I
can just imagine him going no, don't say that, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I'm doing it for you. It's like, you cost me
so much money.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's like that makes me look like the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I think you're doing it for yourself. Well, that's the
other question I want to ask you. A lot of
people have come out of this thinking that David Beckham
has come out of this badly, thinking that he's like
a walking red flag and that he's not victorious team. Oh,
that's the kind of insinuation there, that he's sort of
working against her.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I think he's on her team. I just don't think
he really knows what team she's on. I think he's
a bit confused. I think no one briefed.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Him or on what the message of the doctor was.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
So he just came across weird. He's like, Harper's dress
is too long. My parents wanted me to marry a
Manchester girl. I didn't have any money, and yet I
invested into this massive company now I was also part
of this. Yeah, and then all of this was because
she was doing it for me, you know, she was
doing it.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
For a time. Yeah, He's like, we could have just
been raising chickens and cooking. We've got so much money.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
He don't get that much airtime.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
He's had his go winter. Yeah, he's just there to
be the eye candy fan of Winter. What a job.
I thought it was quite romantic where he was like
when we first got together, there's not one thing about
her I didn't like. I loved every single thing he's like.
Now there's a few things I don't like. Yeah, I
was kind of kick something. You guys, it's a very
married couple. Married couple. Yeah, oh no, we drank the cool.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I don't think he's on her team.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I just think when people are fishing, oh really Yeah,
come on, all she wants us to do is by
a freaking lip right now?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, would you're going to do so? Overall, I think
it was an interesting look into Victoria Beckham's life, and honestly,
I just want more of everything. I want more of
her time with the Spice Girls. I want more of
it when the Spice.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Girls were in it.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yet a lot of people were saying her friends, what
about when she says that the one thing that's really
stuck with her, she's like one of the other girls,
so referring to the Spice girls, said something to me
that I won't let go. And then she goes it
was Melby where She's like, don't forget where you came from.
And Victoria's like, I've never forgotten.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I've never forgotten where I've came from.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Well, because that is what she said. Okay, now don't
read into this.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Okay, but she I'm not reading this my eyes closed.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
You're not reading your eyes are closed. Just accept this
information with an open mind. Okay, we're not starting rumors, Okay,
but I've open she said those things about Melby in
the documentary. She has previously talked about the fact that
she and Melby had a few run ins over the years.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
She had in a bad way.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah, in a bad way. Rememberhen they first got in
the band together and Melby thought she was a stuck
up cow. Oh yeah, but they've been friendsance anyway. Victoria
Beckham for this documentary just recently had a big premiere.
Jerry was there, Melsey was there, and the Bunton was
there and Melby was not there. You look so upset.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Wait, maybe because she lives in Australia and it took
too long together.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Lives in Australia. Well, she's touring at the moment.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Lived here.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
No, she used to come over here and host everyone. Yeah,
so she can do it. Well, apparently she's overseas working somewhere.
But wait what, I'm just she invited. I'm sure she was.
All the girls were invited. I don't know that the
other girl who didn't make it story that do you
mean Michelle Steven?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Sorry Spice skull who Sorry Michelle.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
She's been through so m If anyone does know Michelle,
she was the original girl picked for the Spice Skulls
and she dropped out before they became famous, it's.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Something about Michelle's and girls group, Michelle and Destiny Child.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah Michelle, Yeah, poor Michelle. That's our new shorthand when
someone does something bad, poor Michelle. Look to be honest.
The Spice Skills have been through so much, and they
have been through every type of controversy, every kind of fight,
every kind of situation from like abusive husbands to like
infertility and like awful headlines about them and fight, So

(54:35):
that is what I'm saying. I'm sure they are going
to be fine. She either couldn't go because she was
working or they're in a spat, but they'll work it out.
That the Spice girls always work it out. They do.
I stand by the moral of the story.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Always work it out.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
They really really do. So overall, I thought it was
an interesting look into Victoria Beckham's life. I just wanted more,
but maybe I'll just receive the message that she wanted to.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I feel like if we go out and buy some
makeup together, we'll be into it.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
We'll feel better. Stay tuned. From a review of Victoria
Beckham over maybe Well.

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