A Brutally Honest Review Of Twilight As It Turns 20

It’s hard to believe, but it’s been 20 years since the first Twilight book hit shelves—how has it been that long?! In this episode, we’re taking a nostalgic trip down memory lane to one of the cult books that shaped a generation.

We’re unpacking all the things you never knew about the saga: the casting choices that made (or broke) the film adaptation, quirky behind-the-scenes facts that’ll surprise even the biggest fans, and of course, the age-old question… Team Edward or Team Jacob?

If you love a classic nostalgia edition of Brutally Honest Reviews, let us know—we’re ready to dive even deeper into your favourite cult favourites!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the spill your daily pop culture ficks. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm Anne Bannon, and boy do we have
a special episode for you today. I nearly said an

(00:37):
episode you want to sink your teeth into it. I
was like, don't be that lame that quick.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
No, no, no, I think you can be that lame that quick.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I think that's what we're here for, because this is
our brutally honest review of Twilight.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
You're impossibly fast and strong. You gotta give me some answers.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I'd rather hear your theories. I have considered britto, active
spiders and kryptonite.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's all superherous stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
What if I'm not the hero of What if I'm
can you know what you are?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
You're Skinna Hall wait in ice?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Cool?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Don't go on into the sunlight?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
See it?

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
See it?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
So should we play some moody Twilight? What is the
theme song?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I try to sing it? You said I wasn't good
at it.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I just think that you started singing Indiana Jones, I
always got to That's okay. We're just definitely not gonna
waste air time on that, so sorry, listeners. A brilliant,
honest reveal Twilight. We should say Twilight could mean many things.
It could mean the Twilight saga, which is all the movies.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
It could mean the time of day.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay, yes, I wasn't gonna go there really to.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Reveal the best time of day.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, some depending what time I've been to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I guess I quite like dusk or I like dust too.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
There's something a bit magic in the air. I also like,
you know, like midnight, the witchy hour. Anyway, this is
not a review of Times a Day. This is a
review of the two thousand and eight movie Twilight. So
we're doing the movie because it has been twenty years
this week since the first Twilight book by Stephanie Meyers
came out.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Isn't that insane? In this is one of the first
times where you've said something like it's been this amount
of years since this where I was there for the beginning.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Because only I'm talking about stuff from my childhood. But
that's been like.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
When we did Clueless and stuff. I missed the beginning
of that. So this is like one of the first
times where I'm like, I was there, Yes, yes, so
you're in the weeds and this important.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
So we're going to be going through the Twilight movie.
And I should say we do have a third voice
in the room, our producer Manitia.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Minicia twy Hard TWI hard because we needed a really
die hard twy hard fare And it should be said
that Minisha is the executive producer of the spill who
does all the things, and you make all a lot
of the decisions. But I think it was your first
week here that you put in our diaries for this
week that we were doing a brutally honest with your Twilight.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
That's how much you wanted this.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, as soon as I found out about the concept
of a brittally honest review, I was like, where do
we work Twilight in? What's the next Twilight animissary? And
there's been so much Twilight buzz this year because it
did twenty years since the book, So I was like, now.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's the time.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I love it. We love a producer comes in and
forces their own ideology. Almost did you reject it? Under
the pod?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Did you ever write Twilight fan fiction.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh I didn't release it, but I dabbled in my
own Yeah, I dabbled in my own life, my personal life,
like for myself, just for me.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh, so what you wrote twice? What did you write?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well, I just wrote, so I got it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Did you write yourself into the book?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I didn't write myself in?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
But after fifty Shades direction.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Fifty Shades Off, Grace started as Twilight fan ficture like
that took off and it became this huge, massive thing,
and that kind of inspired me. So I dabbled, but
it didn't take off.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, you didn't. You didn't you judgment you didn't like, No,
I'm not judging it. I I don't. I'm personally never
written fan fiction, but I do it in my head
all the time, so I'm not I'm not judging you
for that. But you didn't have any of the because
the whole thing of fan fiction is that people take
two characters who wouldn't normally have sex and make them
have sex. That's correct.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Mine wasn't that sexual, but it was very in the
were wolf sort of universe.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay, yeahaby so important. So fifty Shades was based on
the dynamic in the Twilight Book and kind of she
just wanted that kind of dynamic between the characters. But
Sephanie Meyer also said that she had a dream of
an Edward like figure coming in her room and watching
her sleep. And that's why people have ripped apart the
character of Bella Swan so much over the years, is

(04:28):
that it's the ultimate kind of author insert where you
can just tell the author, which no judgment on the
author has very much written themselves into a scenario they
wish they were living in such a way that sometimes
the character seems thin because it's just the person who's
writing it. Okay, so the book comes out, We're going
a deep cut here because this is like really the
first time, Yeah, that we've all experienced the same thing. Yes,

(04:49):
I'm so young, you're so cool in here, or that
we've all experienced the same thing. So, and what was
your first memory of the book or movie? Which one
came first for you? The book? So, I that's the.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Correct way I read the books when they first came out.
I was I don't know, I think I was a
bit young for them, but my mom was very cool
and she allowed me to read them. My mum was
also the type of mom that was like very into
kids reading. Like she was like, my kids have to read.
They always have to have a book on them. It
can't just be reading for school. You always have to read.
And I honestly think that's how I got into this profession.

(05:19):
But Twilight was probably the first book after Harry Potter
where she was like, oh, now you're starting to read
stuff that I can also read. So I read Twilight,
and she knew about Twilight because I was all me
and my friends could talk about. I was probably ten
years old when the first Twilight book came out, so
she would read every Twilight book. So after I read Twilight,

(05:40):
she would read it while I was reading New Moon,
so we'd like take turns, and I honestly think it
like solidified my friendship with my mom. Like that was
probably the first time when I was about ten eleven
when I was like, oh my mom's my friend.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
And then when the movies came out, Oh my god,
this is so wild to me. But the Twilight movie
was the first ever early screening I've ever gone.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Really, that is the power this whole franchise had over people.
So I was I'm obviously a bit older than you.
So I was reading the books through I think it was,
and I really liked them, but that's I was only
reading like romance and fantasy at the time.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
And were you reading them because you were like, Oh,
I have to read it because everyone's read it.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
No.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I think I picked up really early because that was
my genre that I read in. So I remember reading
Twilight like literally when it first came out, before it
blew up, didn't even I didn't even mean to be
a trendsetter. Oh and then I just loved that kind
of stuff. I struggled with it a bit because I
had been raised on a school of like things like
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where I was like, so, we're
just not going to kill any of these vampires, like

(06:41):
she's just she's just gonna date them. I can't be
on board with this. But I remember reading the books
and just thinking, and here's a hill I'll die on.
Is that Stephaniemi is a good writer. And I think
people think she's not. I think people think she's not.
I've read all her books, not just the Twilight ones.
She has a very intoxicating way of writing, and these books, yes,
the premise is very sexy, But there's a lot of
sexy vampire books out.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
There, and the fact that you can write some like
something that's so appealing to both children and adults is
such a good testament to your writing.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
And she taps into this, and I think the reason again,
there's so many vampire books out there and that don't
all take off like this. She tapped into something that
again is like a bit cringe for her of the
author insert thing, but she tapped into something. Is that
like everyone wanted to everyone thinks, but no one says
that loud? Is that? And the reason why teenagers and
adults like these books so much. It taps into this

(07:30):
moment in like your teenage years, where you're like everything
seems dull and small, like Bella in the beginning of
the book and the movie when we first introduced to
her through her voiceover. Through both, it feels like she's
sleepwalking through her own life and this huge, exciting, sexy
thing happens to her, and all of a sudden, this
other worldly creature just thinks that she's the most precious
thing in the world. And I think, secretly, like teenagers

(07:52):
and adults both kind of want that. Yeah, who doesn't
tap into. So that was our first takeaways. Minsha, how
did you first read the books?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well, you're laughing because you know the mother daughter bond
was also a big part of this series for me.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
So I remember, don't compare my mother daughter onto what
you did with your mom's all right.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
When you did do not.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
So I remember seeing a girl on the school bus
reading Twilight. She was a girl I really want to
be friends with. We became friends. She's she was really cool,
and I was like, she's reading this book. I need
to read this book. So I went home and told
my mom about it, and my mom was like, I
probably like eight or nine. She was like, it seems
a little adult for you. What if we read it together,
one page by one page? So she would read a
page out loud, and then I would read a page

(08:36):
out loud, which sounds quite sweet. But then when you
get to Breaking Dawn and you're like fourteen, and they're
like having sex on their honeymoon.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Just got bruises all over a body, and.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
He's like, I don't want to do it, I'll break
you like being weird to read your mom, I'm like,
could we stop this tradition now?

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I never thought about you, because when you say it
sounds a bit sweet to start off with, no, it
doesn't just say you know, you're like I was nine,
I read. I did that with my mom as a
kid too, Like she would read a page, I would
read a page. But we did that with The Little
House on the Prairie. That's the same rank. That's the
correct book to do that with. No shade to your mother.
I'm sure she's lovely, but I just at what stage

(09:13):
was it was in Breaking Dawn that you were like, hey, mum,
let's not read these sex scenes out loud to each other.
Maybe we'll just go read them separately. And that's fine.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well in Eclipse, when Bella first tries to have sex
with Edward and he's like, I don't want to steal
your virtue. Yeah, I was a bit like, oh, it's
getting like a bit weird, like maybe we could just
read them separately, and she was like, oh no, but
we've like started them together. I feel like we should
see it through. And then I remember her saying at
one point, they're married people having sex.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
What's the issue anyway, It's just so fair, it's just
good time.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I don't want to read it with your mum. Anyway,
it's more again like in all like the sexy makeout
scenes and stuff before that. But anyway, everyone has their
own journey. So the movie comes out in two thousand
and eight and is a huge success in sports, this
big franchise, which again not every teen book does that.
A lot of teen books come out with a huge
fan base. Mortal Instruments comes to mind, and they falter.

(10:05):
This one did. Something interesting is that it wasn't first
made as a blockbuster. It was made as smaller indie film.
And Catherine Hardwick was the director, and she had come
off really kind of more gritty, prestige independent movies like Thirteen,
and she tried to make Twilight not as a teen fantasy,
not as a romance, as more of a kind of dark,
artsy Yeah, very artistic, artsy, gritty kind of movie, which,

(10:30):
to be fair, I actually think works really well. It's
very atmospheric.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, but it was just like one of those things
where there's no stopping the teenage girls. Yeah, like they
knew they were going to get a movie, and they
knew they were going to watch it and love it.
And it's so funny. When I rewatched Twilight Now as
an adult, I imagine myself as watching it as a kid.
I would have been twelve years old when it came out,
I think, and I was like, this, there's no way

(10:55):
you would have liked a movie like that ever at
that age.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Really.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, it's just such funny, Like the scenes are just
so now they're like mimable. Yeah, Whereas like in the moment,
I was like, this is so deep in the Nazi
Oh yeah, maybe, I mean, and I felt like an
adult watching it, yeah, because it does shy away from
any of like this, And I think it becomes as
the movie goes along, it becomes more like bookbustery, it
becomes more like more young adult, it becomes glossier. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
But in that first one, you it does feel like
you're you're it's like almost set in the same world
as Thirteen, which have you guys seen that movie? Holy hell? Yeah,
yeah that is gritty. Yeah, like it's the same time.
And that's why Nicky Reid was cast as Rosalie, which
I know people really didn't like her casting, and part
of me does think like she does feel out of
place a little bit for that character. But she started thirteen,

(11:42):
and she also co wrote it with Catherine Hardwick. I remember.
So that was Catherine Hardwick wanting to work with an
actress that she had a really good relationship with and
she thought was really talented and so put her in
that character.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
And yeah, but it works for like the other generation
because that's the first time I saw Nicky Reid, yeah
in movie. So in my head, I'm like, oh my god,
she's such a bad like she's always going to be
in that badass role.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Really, I was just like, oh my god, that's my
introduction to her. I was like, that's Sadie from the OC.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yes, it's so weird, and like now she just has
these two alter.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's interesting because when Stephanie Meyer wrote the book, she
and it became really successful. As she was writing a sequel,
she was like she knew it was gonna be a movie,
and she knew exactly who she wanted to play, Edward Cullen.
Do you know this Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill. There's a
whole blog post that she wrote two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Was Henry Cavill. I probably would have been team Edwood.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
But he was too old by the time they made
the movie. That was the general consensus, but I would.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Have thought, like some black curse on him.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I was as because he's so Henry Cavill was also
so aware that he was nearly Edward Cullen, because he
has said it interviews that he knew that Stephanie Meyer
was desperate for him to be Edward Cullen, but he
said like, at the end of the day, it wasn't
her choice. And then who she wanted for Bella. I
mean everyone auditioned for Bella, Lily Collins, Michelle Chatchenberg, Jennifer

(12:57):
Lawrence went in and said she didn't understand what she
was auditioning for. She's like, I just wanted to a
room and they hand me a piece of paper and
they were like act monkey, act and she walked out
being like, I don't know what the hell that was
not doing that movie. And then she saw at the
cinema and she was like, oh, okay, think but Sephanie
and May really wanted Emily Browning, which I thought, oh my,
somewhere in an alternate I want that movie. What's his

(13:21):
name from Team Wolf?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Wait, Tyler Posey? Yeah, I think Taylor lor is perfect. Yeah,
But Tyler Posey had no way did Team Wolf come
after Yes, Okay, so then he got his wolf.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Experience Wolf experience, Yeah. I think maybe he auditioned for it.
I think they were the ones that she wanted for
those particular roles. But it's interesting because they auditioned so
many people for Bella and Edward because of course the
whole thing was going to hinge on that Robert Pattinson
had been in Harry Potter movies in that state, Cedric Diggree, Yes,
and then he was sp Yeah, filers.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
That's actually how they came across him. They were looking
at people from the Harry Potter well who they could
bring over.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Which is a good strategy because, like, I feel like
they were the blueprint for like both children but also
being able to go with your parents and your parents
also enjoying the movies that were Harry Potter and the
book series that came for it, like and then having
that same fan based consistently throughout each movie. I feel
like that's such a good blueprint.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, for Twilight exactly. And Kristian Stewart had been a
child actor, very successful, but she obviously didn't have a
huge fan base, Like she wasn't coming into it as
big as some of these other actresses. But Catherine, I
don't know. You love this story, Manisha, You're creepy girl.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
The bedroom story.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah yeah, okay. So Catherine Hardwick also she just should
have made all the movies because that woman is like
a method filmmaker. So she got Kristen Stewart and Robt
Patinson to come to her house to film one of
the essentially film the chemistry test for Twilight, and she
got them to a scene and then she got them
to make out on her bed, and she was filming

(14:52):
them with like a little can card and shit, it would.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Be allowed now was seen on the bed week you
can't stop himself and then he's like.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Then he like throws himself back and wall and she said, Robert,
she said their chemistry was undeniable, which is obviously why
they went on to date for many years. Their chemistry
was deniaball they got so into like pashing and kissing
and all this sort of stuff on her bed in
her home while she's filming them for a chemistry test.
That she said Rob Pattinson took it too far and

(15:20):
she also had to pull him back and he ended
up tumbling off the bed.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Palpable chemistry. Clearly they can hold the speak.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I love this story so much.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I remember watching the interview or whoever it was that
she said that, and I was like, wow, like to
have chemistry like that that cuts through the room like
a knife. But then it is creepy that it's in
her house. I do agree if a man was doing it,
I love that.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
To your reaction. My reactions like I feel unsafe.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
After get me. Estan Stewart said to her, I will
do this movie, and it has to be Robert Pattinson.
No one else after that. After the bed scene.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I mean, I'm sure anyone would say that, yeah, kiss
was that good. So I was like, I'll take this job,
but it has to be Robert Pattison.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, the man who just flung me off the bed
in my director's home.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I'm still sad about Henry Calvlter.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
He might have fallen off the bed. I feel like
he'd be much more composed.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
And he thinks about it all the time, just so
you know, especially because they just lost his job on
the Witcher, lost his job, lost his job as Superman.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
And then lost his job on the Witcher.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh there's a curse on that man on that handsome, white,
successful rich man.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
So to the movie.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now we've got this setup, yeah, to the movie. So
we it starts off with actually why it starts off
with a very artistic scene of a deer being killed
in the woods. That's right, beautiful imagery, beautiful monologue, beautiful
mon log with Christian Stuwitt's voice. A lot of people
have said the first page of Twilight's one of the
best opening pages in a lot of books that have
come out in the last twenty years.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Actually, night for a drama recital, did you have monologue? Okay,
I never put much thought into how I would die, but.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
You're like white. You did not expect you to a
going to be like no Dami in place.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's someone I love. Seems like a good way to go.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, that's what she said.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Anyway, she said that as a seventeen year old. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, And then we have the deer being killed, and
then it flips to Bellow, who is a young teenage
girl who is moving away from Phoenix, Arizona, Yep, because
her mother has married a football player and they want
to go. Yeah, but they're going to go off on
the road because that's his job. Yeah, and have some
married time. And so she moves to Hawks with her dad, Charlie,
who you're a bit of a fan.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Of guys as an adult woman, I think it's safe
to say that Charlie is the heart throb.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh yea yeah, he's.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Hot with his mustache and he's like police getter.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, and he's gruff, but like really caring, Like when
he just goes in the car and yeah, he gets
her car, then you just change the tires that being asked.
It's away. She's never been taken care of before.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Oh my god, it comes in old gloom. I mean,
I hate the cold, I hate rain, and yet you
brought your little cactus. Obviously that's not gonna live here.
It's gonna die in two seconds.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Am I fawning over the dad? Probably for different reasons.
I was like, oh, maybe it's nice to have a dad,
and you're like, I want to date him. Lots of
issues being worked out in this pod. We love how
pop culture shines the mirror back to ourselves. So this
is actually when she gets the car. That's her first
meeting with Jacob played by Taylor Lautner, who was only

(18:14):
ever supposed to be in one Twilight movie, just the
first one, and then they were planning to reach so
he only had his contract was to one movie. And
then they said, because the character and the books go
through such a big transformation, you're playing the little, weedy,
young version of the character, and then when he goes
through his werewolf transformation, he becomes really bulked and sexy.
We're going to recast.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And Tayloran was like, not my watch.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, actually Kristen Stewart was like, not on my watch.
She bought for him to stay.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
She might as well direct the whole thing. She was like,
I want that boy, and that boy, and that boy
and that boy.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
She's just picking all the boys. So Taylor Lawner then
had to wait.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
We forgot that Jacob also had made the engine in
her carthing like that.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
He's a handy. Yeah, he remakes the engine. Yeah, and
he shows her how to drive the car.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Well, your team and daughter, Team Jacob.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
We're doing this right now.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
We have to so complicated.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, just pick one.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
At the initial time, I was team Jacob because I
think I was a little superficial back then, and I
was just like ooh, tan Abs, you know. But then
as i've matured as an adult. I think from an
intellectual standpoint and a financial standpoint, because.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I'm not asking if your team Jacob or Edward as
an adult.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
A financial standpoint.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Also, it was like, I literally just want a name.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
My mind is with Edward, but my body's with Jacob.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Can I say that just so you know that's not
just the worst thing you've ever said?

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Okay, now I actually do need the explanation.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Is the worst thing a human beings ever said.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
But just think my bodies with Jacob.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Think about the art, the music Edward. He plays piano.
He's probably invested in a lot of stocks over the
century plus that he's been alive, all the things he
could teach.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
No, the only things he invested in is graduation caps,
which don't retail for greades. Just keep going.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I've looked it up, but I.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Think that Jacob is just more of a visceral, like
he's hot Wolf. Protect me.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I'll leave it there, marry my daughter.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I actually don't hate that plot point as much as
some others, but that's breaking.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Dawns, so I'll leave it me too.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Okay, Anyway, what are you well? I still don't really
know what manet is I'm not half.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
She said her mind is Edward, but her body.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Was team Because I am a vain person. I was
team Edward first movie, team Jacob for the rest.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Wait, how does that make you vain? He's so like,
he's not as hot as Jacob in it physically.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
That's why it makes me vain. No, because I wasn't
team Jacob in the first movie, and then when he
gets hot in Your Moon, I was team Jacob.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I see where you're coming from.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I think it was the hair. When he cut his hair,
I was like, I'm all in.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
You're all in, all in?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
What are you? You're Edward for sure?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
For sure? Are you not?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Can I say your shuck?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Jacob is so different to your type, though, is he?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
No? No?

Speaker 3 (20:57):
And you like you like smart guys.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I don't know where you pick that up from. All
my crush is a Pacey from Dawson's Creek, Dean from Supernatural,
and Darryl from the Walking Day. None of those men
have ever read book.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I still think those men align more with Edward than Jacob.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, here's the thing about Edward is like the initial
movie and book, I'm just like, yeah, I'm into this
brooding vampire, except when he's trying not to smell her.
That's the worst looking Mand's ever had on his face.
It's so embarrassing for him. But I just found him
quite creepy. As the books went along and I was
actually reading Breaking Dawn, I was like flipping the pages
really fast because I was like, don't marry this creepy man.

(21:34):
I really wanted her to like run away with Jacob,
and I kind of I knew it wasn't gonna happen,
but I also just didn't want them to be together.
I find Edward controlling in an intense way, and has
that man ever said an interesting word. He's got no charisma,
he's got no risks.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I feel like he gave so many young girls such
big complexes about what their dating life's going to be.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I think people like the idea of this powerful, as
I said, this powerful creature loving you so much and
like being obsessed with being obsessed with you, and like
watching over when you sleep. I don't find that creepy
at all. I find that lovely actually, and like all
this kind of protecting you. But then the further they
have relationship, they start to fall in love. It's the

(22:14):
first time I'm like, there's no chemistry between these book characters,
which never happens. Yeah, yeah, it's all physical. There's no
there's no chemistry between them. Do you agree? Well?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Also, I think what didn't help in the movie was
that they took out a lot of the dialogue and
they just played music over it and they sat in
a tree.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
There's a lot of music.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, and so I think that also didn't help.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Spider Monkey do you know that I don't want a
monkey man we go?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Do you know? What Ruins is for me is that
when they were doing all those like very physical scenes
and you're supposed to see Robin Pattinson's Edward Cullen be
like lifting her up and rescue her and dropping her
from like and jumping with her and like he's so
physical and protective and it's love that. And like when
they were doing those scenes, poor Rob Pattinson, who also
didn't have a license at the time, so every time
you see him driving, they're just like having to tow

(22:59):
the car.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
He's driving in like his Evolver Drive.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
He's got a license at the talk, and then he's like, yeah,
I tore my glute really bad when we're doing the
action scenes, so I couldn't do them anymore.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I was like, oh God, Team Jaker, Dude.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm trying so hard to have a crush on you,
but you're stopping me at every time.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
While Taylor Lorna is in the brace like lifting weight,
smashing me, Paddy lifting the.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
He's like, when's maga?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So he went, we're just not saying on track with this.
So he went off and bolked up, and when he
came back to said or bogged up Christian Sheward said
that she started crying because she was so proud that
he had done it and tried as well. For anyway,
we haven't even got to her meeting Edward. Then she
goes to the high school.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yes, and there's one seat available in the science lab, Yes,
and it's next to him, and she so she walks
into the classroom and then she happens to stand in
front of the one fan in the classroom and Hare
goes washshish, and then you see the smell end Edward
and Edward looks like he's about to ship him. It's

(24:00):
not attractive, it's not attractain.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
That is the worst look an actor has ever had
on their face.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Oh my god, I know he regrets that.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Trying so hard to be in love with this man
he's not letting me.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, gave creepy.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
But they also in the movie cut one of my
favorite moments from the book, which is also Sigence lab related,
which is with the needles and the blood and how
her whole fear of blood and then she faints and
he like takes care of her, which I thought was
the pinnacle of hotness.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
And they took her and they took it about and
they were replaced it with when he goes away for
a bit because he had to feed and he comes
back with this hazel eyes and then he's like hello.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, he's like and he's the person.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Are you enjoying this rain?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's literally a I.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
And then we get our introduction to the Culen siblings.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
That introduction when they all come into the cafe, but
they all glide in. You see them outside and they're
like on this like moving treadmill thing. It looks like
they're not walking because they're just gliding. Yeah, and they
all glide in arm in arm, and then you find
out that they're all siblings.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
But they're also in taking us, which I agree with.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Anna Kendrick, Anna Kendrick, who we will just call her
Anna Kendrick as we go through. She's so good in
this movie. She had everyone else talks about how horrible
it was being in that rainsoaked place so long, such
long hours, and she was like, I would fly and
do one scene. Flower had a great time. She forgot
she was in the movies for a while. People talked
about Twilight. She's like, yeah, Twilight. Then she's like, I
was in that. I forgot. And she's so good as

(25:24):
that character she plays Anna Kendrick. Yeah, she's just Ana Kendrick.
She's like, you know what, those siblings are having sex
and that's weird, and they live together. That's fair enough.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
It is true. And when they all walk in in
that iconic sibling scene. Really important factor note is that
Emmett or Kellen Lut's the guy who plays him.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, so the hottest one.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
It depends what you No, we love a dumb beefcake.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
He's the hottest one.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
He's a Travis Kelcey anyway, he a Travis Kelcey.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Is holding this bag of eggs in that scene and
they're just like twelve, like hard boiled eggs.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Or six or twelve, but yeah, how many?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
And it's just because the actor brought that as lunch
and it just found its way into the scene. And
I just always think that's so weird that he's just
holding a back of eggs and.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
He's swinging them as he walks. He was trying to
explain to the humans why his physique like that. He's like,
look at the eggs I eat. That explains the muscle.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
That actually makes sense. And there's someone who's dated a
bodybuilder that doesn't. All, yeah, it's more than I promise you.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's not a the supermodel who's dated a body yeah,
as someone who's also been love with a hundred yeard fanpire.
Can I just say so? Then we get I'm really
trying to move this along.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Sorry, I no know.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Obviously this could be a fifteen hour podcast. Bella is
all like, I'm going to confront Edward because she's saying
that he's rude to her. But I think the subtext
is he she thinks he thinks she smells bad because
every time in the movie when she keeps seeing him,
she keeps smelling her own hair.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, and you know what, maybe she does smell.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Bad, and then well, that's that's what I don't when
I was a kid, you do.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
It turns out she just smells too good.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
She smells too good to good.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
But also he's also freaking out because he can't read
her mind. Yes, and she's the only person who can't read.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
What I mean, wow, And she's like a tasty, wicked
wing to him.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
What would be your food version of Bella?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Come on? Oh, only like a wicked wings up there
something so I mean, I guess you'd almost want it
to be like really sweet or maybe something delicious.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It has to be something that you say no to
if you get off it and fleshy like the world. No,
it doesn't wait, stop, it doesn't have to be flesh.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm so.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I just mean, like, if someone were to offer you
this food you can't, like you physically can't say no to.
I'm not like making you choose different meats.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm like, oh, my teeth's sinking into a succulent piece
of chicken, like I get it anyway.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
No to get tolets, maybe like the like the world's
crispiest perfect French fry with like a troll dress and
it's steaming hot and you have to bite into it.
Oh my god, that's what I hope I would smell
like to a vampire. And then you're in love with
it and you can't eat it. Yeah, imagine being in
love with the French fry and you can't eat it.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
That would be really hard. I understand, Edward.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Now you had me too, get it well, Sephanie ma
is working on levels that we can't even understand. So
then we have what I think is the hottest scene
in the entire movie. You guys, when she's in the
car park and Ella the car's coming towards her, and
Edward jumps in and he goes and stops it with
his hand.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
And then he runs away. And then he runs away,
and then the guy driving was like Bella, oh my god,
how did you do that?

Speaker 1 (28:20):
He keeps saying, and he's like, Blom, so sorry, but
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I don't know who did that, but I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
And he follows into the hospital and he keeps being like.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
And then Charlie just like closes the curtain.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Charlie's regretting everything in his life right now.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
And then we're also introduced to Edward's dad, Carlisle.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
When I was reading the books as a kid, I
thought his name was Callisslie. I called him.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Callisslie until I watched the movie and I was like,
who's carl And I was like, that's so the biggest
jump scare of my life as a child, Like I
don't know that man, Carlisle, wow, And like I was
so certain his name was Callislie that in my head.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
I was like, Oh, they changed it to Carlisle so
we could say it better.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
No, No, that's how you say cars. That's a unique spelling.
And he, of course is played by Peter fass Nelly,
who I think originally auditioned for Charlie and then ended
up getting Carlisle, which I think is the better role.
Married to Jenny Garth from Beverly Hills nine O two
one O, who play Kelly for many years. So he
was in a Hollywood power couple for many many years.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
NEPO husband.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Sure. I think he was an acted first, but okay,
we'll go with that.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
And he was a vampire first. So he's the one
who started the Culin clan.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yes, and he's the one who doesn't let any of
them feast on the flesh of human Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
The vegetarians, yes, so good man. So we after the
car scene, Bella starts getting suspicious of Edward. She meets
up with Jacob. They kind of chat, Yeah, they go
I think they go to a beach, right, and she
invites Edward to the beach and he doesn't turn up
and put baby the best fly Okay, that's the push baby,

(29:58):
and then she feels rejected and then some of Jacob's
friends say the Coulins don't come here, And then she
was like, Jacob, what do they mean by that? He's like, oh,
you heard that?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Did you? The tension the tension build is incredible.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's like, all they're right right.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
You pick that up, didn't you? Sorry, it was a
subtle of the ton of bricks.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
The Colins don't come here. The Colins don't come here.
And she's like, what do you mean by that? He's like, oh,
you heard that.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
She's like, oh no, I would never ask any follow
up questions. That such a huge declaration.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
And then we learn later that, like Jacob's going through
some things, I feel like that can be the kind
of how we go through our extrual cycle. That's kind
of what Jacob was going through in the first Twilight movie,
a heel face, littell face. Yeah, because he's like becoming
a were wolf and he's getting moody and angry. I
don't know why I'm something getting so strong.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it's because the culin family in the area is
making the were wolves.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, more of them turn right, Yeah, a lot of
there's a lot more well were wolves than they used
to be. And that's because the were wolves don't like vampires,
vice versa. And then Bella were doing a recap of
the other one that's so much more interesting. What the
other want is that let us know if you want
the other movies, because this one's going so well.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I mean, this is going off the rails, but okay.
Then Bella discovers through her own research that Edward is
a vampire. And to that, I say, is she the
only person forked with a computer? Like she literally saw that.
She arrived in town, looked at this weird man who
doesn't go out in the sun and was like, hh,
Google's for like five seconds and it's like, oh, he's
a vampire. Why did anyone else do that?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
No, because what triggered her is when she went to
get that book from that shop. Yeah, and then I
think it had some words in there that She then
googled the book and then she figured out vampire lot
is also hard at the most dodgiest website. I'm like,
you're getting a virus girl anything. Charlie was like, why

(31:58):
Bella just like Edward about and what we kill me?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And then they have the whole scenehere they go to
the other town and he saves her and that's when
they go and have mushroom ravioli, isn't it. Yeah, sick
of man.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
She went home and googled even more and she was like,
will my vampire boyfriend eat me?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
And it said probably probably to say you're on Reddit
just like vampire human relationship.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
What would a chat?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Well, yeah, how would she ask GPD?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
She'll be like vampire human future question.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Mark, please wait for more and then be like can
we have sex? Can we kiss? Will he kill me?
Will his family kill me?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I kill him if I stabbing through the heart with
some wood, Oh my god TBC. Yeah, hard to say.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
So then after that they decided they're together pretty quickly.
It goes from like real dating isn't like this. You
don't go from zero to one hundred and come out
of dinner with the vampire family and they go off
into the little foresty bit near the school and then
she says, well, he says the iconic so the lion
fell in love with the lamb And she says, what
a stupid lamb And he says, what a sick masochistic lion.

(33:06):
And then there's vibes.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Oh, it's like I'm watching it.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Are you like watching that movie in your head while
we're doing this.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, it's very vivid for me right now. But I
found really funny as a kid watching this is he's
standing at like the entry of the forest and she's
like parked a car, and she doesn't say anything to him.
She just walks straight past him, and he's following her,
and then she just starts talking and I was like,
she doesn't even know he's behind her. What is she
doing this full monologue and not there like she didn't

(33:36):
ask him to follow her. Well, I mean, so maybe
she's got a six tens too.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Maybe Well, we do find that she has a dormant superpower,
that's why she becomes a shield. But anyway, let's give
me a head. Like five movies. So they get together.
They kiss a lot, cute and then their biggest, their
biggest challenge happens, which is that Bella has to go
to the Colored House. Can I say, we see.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Him glow, we see him sparkle in the sun. Yeah,
but like he makes her walk up the whole mountain
to get to the sun, Like, why did you just
walk back out of the forest.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, you've got a real thing about it, just like
incidental exercise.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, I do. I do. I feel like this gets
brought up a lot of if what are the facts?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
You're like, I would fall out of love with that
man if he made me walk up a hill, Like God.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
If a man makes me walk up a hill, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, because later on Jacob carries her upper hill and
that's the sexiest scene the whole thing. Anyway, Again, we
move on, so then she has to meet the Culen family.
Can kind of say the best thing about the Twilight
Universe is when and which I wish she'd gone ripen
more of is Stephanie Meyer. This law that she creates
around all these different vampires and all their origin stories
and how they came to be and how they live
and like the Vulture and their rules and everything every time. Like,

(34:43):
That's why I think I love the later books, because
I'm like, I don't really care about Edward and Bella's
much and they're creepy offspring baby. I more care about
this intense vampire world and all these people in it.
So then we get to the color House and they're
playing Italian music and.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
They're cooking in the kitchen for the first time. Yeah,
even though she knew they don't eat, so she said,
I had lunch before. And then Rosalie gets really angry
and smashes the salad that looks shit anyway, fair enough,
but they don't have to cook. They don't need.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
This is also where they tried to bring some like
kind of quippy humor into it, which fills out of
place with this kind of moody, realistic movie that Catherine
Hardbook was trying to make. Is that this is when
they start trying to make it more of like a
poppy kind of teen movie, where they're just like, we're
making Italian. How many she likes Italian? Well, her name's Bella,
and every of the movie was like ha ha, And

(35:34):
I was like.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
But I like how they kept Emmett kind of funny
throughout the whole.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, well that was more in line with his personality.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, like Alice, she's got that quirky you know, quirky girl.
She's a little bit funny.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
She's a bit weird.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Okay, she's meant to be.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
It's really weird, Jasper and he's really.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Struggling not to eat her like that. Traffle Fry is
real for him.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
So it's her birthday, right, so they all get her
a gift or am I thinking of a different dinner party?
You're thinking of a different dinner Pry's not what he's
Ba's the.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Second movie and from them, we sort of really kind
of see them fall in love to some extent. We
still we see Charlie have to deal with the situation
when it comes over and he pulls gun up.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, he's the coolest dad. You're obsessed with love Charlie
so much.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I had more airtime. That's my one. Yeah, exactly. Well,
he became such a fan favorite. There's all these photo
that's all these videos from inside, like the midnight screenings
of the last movie, and how they have all their pictures,
can't the end and like they have this extended credits
because it's the end of this huge blockbuster franchise and
all the biggest cheers of for Charlie Boren's loving him.

(36:36):
And then we come to I'm gonna want a limon,
say one of your favorite scenes and maybe one of yours.
Two more on actually yours your favorite ones of the
sex scenes, so you deal with that in your own time.
But it's no sex scene in this movie sexually charged scene.
I meant to say, is your favorite scene where he's
like watching her in bed? I mean, I do like
the kissing in the bed scene. But anyway, the baseball
scene is wonderful. And the music by MWS.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
It was really important Stephanie Meyer to have songs by
mus in her movie because she's a huge fan and
I just think super Massive Black Hole just makes that scene.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I don't mind that music, but I find the rest
of the music in the movie really weird, really like
especially the music.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
The music's great.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
The music when they meet each other for the first
time in that lab, it's like a full electric guitarist playing.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
She was trying something. Okay, it was crazy to be
a female filmmaker take a chance and try and make it.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Looks like it's about to shoo himself and like, do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
There's also two Robert Pattinson songs in the movie, the
one where they're in the restaurant and also the one
where later on he's trying really hard not to kill
her and eat.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
All of her. A serious musician.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Two of his songs his own songs.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
He sings them.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, he sings the one where he's like, no, that's him.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, that's him. He's a musician. Don't you know anything
about him? That's why he and Sticky Waterhouse film love
because they're both, at the end of the day, broody
artistic musicians.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Oh my god, I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Are you gonna go listen to all of his music now?
And then so we have the baseball says, I think
where we are and I think it's safe to say
that even though this just looks like it's a perfect
weather for baseball, yeah, it's because the lightning is this
is actually a fundat hell. The lightning storm is happening,
So that means that they can make as much noise
as they want and the town would just think it's
a thunderclub.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, and you know what fair, But it was like
what I really wanted as a kid, I didn't really
understand that scene. Really, I really didn't under it.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Was trying to show them because the rest of the
time they're pretending to be humans, So they are so
kind of reserved with like their movements and what they say.
And you're meant to see them you meant yeah, you
meant no, no, not as a family, you meant to
see them look like other worldly creatures, because that's what
they are. It's they're letting loose. They're letting loose, and
so that's why they're movements. So they sped them up

(38:45):
with the running. They're doing stunts. They like yeah they
oh my god, the kids. They have cranes pulling them up.
It's like one of the most stunt heavy scenes because
they're trying to show like, this is how these mythical
creatures would move were not pretending to be humans.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, okay, okay, And it just ends.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Up looking a little bit weird, but it's also an
iconic scene.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Oh my god. As a kid, I was like, oh
my god, I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
A vampire Baseball league.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
It's all I think that scene cemented in every person's mind,
like you should be a vampire.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Absolutely. It made me want it.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Real some of the real sexy ones later on, and
more so than I could play baseball real good. Anyway,
Then we have the introduction of some very important characters
and they also glide in and this is I love
this scene, any of it. This is where Catherine Hardwick's
filmmaking just absolutely shines through. Is that you have these
three nomadic vampires come through who have kind of formed
a family, Laurent, James and Victoria. And the way they

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kind of almost appear on the field and the camera
stands on them and like the music stops, and you
have this real even though it's a teen loves stories,
there's no real stakes to it. You have this real
sense of fear about these evil creatures appearing, which I loved.
I'm like, yes, evil vampires, this is all I've been
waiting for this whole movie.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Especially because they're like, get behind me, better take your
hair down, it'll mask the scent.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh, you guys are really weird. With this movie. I
find I want to know more at these characters, because
we obviously have Laurent, who is kind of very loyal
to the Colins but also is not afraid to stab
a human's neck real quick. And they're not a vegetarian,
you know, he's not a vegetarian. Of them are, and
that their lies. The problem is that Victoria is a
bloodthirsty vampire desperately in love with her mate James. I

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love that they mate for life. Is like little bloodsucking
penguins who mate for life. And then James, of course
is a tracker, and once he locks onto a particular stand,
he can't ever let it.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Go, which is weird as a tracker, like it took
him a while.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I think he did, okay. He followed her for a while.
He was up against indefense of James, the human killer
he had. He was up against the whole Culin family
trying to thwart him from finding Bella, and he does
find her. Also, I actually love that James is played
by cam gitch Dante, who was Volcek in the OC.
It comes back to the OC and.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
He's in burlesque. Yes, so importantly, but he's like the
lead art sexy man but with not long hair, so
you might be confused, oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
But more importantly, he had come, he had come to
play this evil character trying to kill Bella off the
back of playing an evil character in the O C
where he did kill Marissa Cooper.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Oh I was gonna die?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, no, I read the books. What's gonna happen? But
I'm just saying, this is this sexy teen heart throgs.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
All they can do is kill.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
You're trying to kill young teen heroines. That's his stick.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
So at first they were like, we're just playing baseball,
do you guys want to play? And then they did okay,
but then the wind came and you see Bella's hair move,
and then Jame goes, so you brought a snack.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I love that line, and then they all go the
cats and then it's on and then he checked and
I think that's the.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
First look we see of like the vampires like looking feral,
where they like get into their full vampire moon, and
even Bella's like, hobly.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Shit, it's just you don't want to be here anything.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Ill bye, and it it gets.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Really dark, But which means then that the Colin family
have Chinky Bella safe. Now. Bella, in her defense, she's
not registering the severitance situation because she's just like, yeah,
that's one vampire. But there's so many of you, and
shouldn't we just stay here and it'll be fine, And
she obviously wants to stay with Edward, which is fair enough,
and then they make the decision that Edward has to

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go one way. The Colins will try and track her down,
and Jasper and Alice will take Bella to a safe
house and keep her safe.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
And she screws it all up, does she?

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Though?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yes, oh, come on, now, you wouldn't, for she thought
her mother. So they obviously go away. He tracks her
and then he tricks her into thinking that he has
kidnapped her mother and is holding her in a dance studio,
and Bella goes to save her mum, which fair enough.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Okay, look, okay, I love my mom.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
But you loved it more after Twilight.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Obviously not, but okay, out of all the mums to
do that for Bella, your mom ditched you for a
man to go on a honeymoon and send you to
Colia has Any Washington with your little cactus.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
She doesn't care.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Let her die, let her tie, just let her die.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Okay, Well, doesn't you ruined it for everyone?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
And then everyone's like Bella, you to stay, rats, fella,
And when find someone else, any other like you were
literally completely safe.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
He couldn't find you, literally, Bella.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
There's two of us me Alice who can see into
the future, Jasper who bit we willing to do water takes.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
We just loved the opportunity to kill someone.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, and he's like kind of new Wish, so he's
a bit more stronger than the rest of him.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yes, Bella, she makes a mistake by going to like
not let her mother die. She gets to the dance
studio and.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Then James is like, let me film.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, and he really played that weird mirror game. There's
no sexual tension.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
What will I'm with the video? I don't know is
he What if.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
He went to her mum's house to get like the
footage of her mom because we find out it's not
her mom. It's like camcordter Finish that he played for
her to trick her. Wouldn't it been easier to be like,
meet me at your mum's house because it's already there.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
He wanted the theatrics of the dance studio with the
mirror of the because he's a hunter, and also we
know he's from Pearlers.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
He wants to put on a show canind of say
James deserves to kill Bella because he put in the work,
He played the long game, he put in the work.
He wasn't sloppy, and he really he should have I'm
just saying he should have been successful.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Okay, but then but then because he was too busy
for making a movie, a feature film.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
If you classic villain thing where the villain spends way
too long monologue, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
He's like, I waited for you.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, life, he's been way too long monologue.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I've been waiting for you for the last thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And then they end up failing because they spent too
long explaining their evil plan. That's what James does.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
And then Edward comes to the rescue and they have
a fight a vampire off if and then the rest
of them slowly get there in their own time. But
then Bella gets pushed into the glass and then falls down,
and then James reaches for our arms and bit bites it.
So he bites an arm.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
And in this world, so every vampire universe has its
own rules of how you become a vampire, like in
a lot of different vampire law and this is the
official from the original Dracula books, like the vampire has
to drink from you, and then you have to drink
from them, and then your body has to die and
then you have to be reborn as a vampire. That's
just vampire fact from the origin story from Transylvania, which

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Emily has learned in the last year is a real place.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Even gonna call me after that, we're not even talking
about that.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Or roads ly back to that. In this particular universe,
vampirism happens via the venom that all vampires have coated
over their teeth. So anyone who is bitten, no matter
who drinks blood or who does what, as soon as
you're bitten, you start turning into a vampire, which is
also the laur and sinners coming full of their Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Sinners, It's like you can literally maul the person and
you will still be a vampire.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, well know that. It has to be a bite
in Sinner Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
So James bites Bella. They defeat James, but Bella is
like now turning right, yeah. So Carla was like, Edward,
you have to do it because I'll kill her if
I try to suck the venom man. So Edward's like,
I've got this suck starts sucking the venom man and
then Carla's like, I think you've got it, you got it,
Edward stop?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Whind it bout?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Edward stop? And then he'r like I start rolling. That
scared me so much as a kid.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, I was like, Edward stop. Do you know Kristin Stewart.
Everyone's like, oh, she looks so gross in that scene.
She looks ugly, and there's a lot of there was
a lot of like kind of pushback at the time
that this actress didn't look beautiful in this moment. I
was like, she's literally dying. Give her a break. Kristian
Schwart's not there to be pretty. She's very much said,
she's a serious actress. She was playing the part of
a woman who was dying horrible death.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
And then the screen goes to black and we're like,
did Edward stop? What happened? And then the next scene
is like she's in hospital. She's in the hospit a
bed and she wakes up and Edward's sleeping on the couch.
Even the rampires I'm in to sleep. So I don't
know what he was doing there. Was he pretending to sleep?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
He was just resting his eyes.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Mm sounds fake sounds performative.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Okay, performative sleep.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
I think he was just nervous to see her, so
he was like, I'm going to pretend to be asleep.
Renee comes to hospital to see Bella, her daughter, so
she obviously cut her honeymo in short. I'm sure she
was very upset about that.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
She's like, oh, the girl got to my daughter. She
only died. That's die. I guess.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I'm sorry. I have to go back to Washington. Yeah,
last place I want to be. And then she's like,
we bought a new house and there's new other place.
Come live with us. I want you to live with us.
And then Edward's still sleeping on the couch.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Well yeah, because he's pretending to be asleep so that
Renee and Bella can have their private moment.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
It makes sense, Okay, I wouldn't. I would have been
wide awake.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
And Bella has broken legs and broken limbs and everything
from the.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Throat so yeah, she's got a moonboot on.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, so she's in a bad spot. And that's when
she Edward like wants to not be with her anymore
pretty much. But because she's so badly hurt and she
was like, no, I want to be with you anyway.
And then they go to prom and they have this
there's almost this moment that Edward is kind of like
leaning Bella down he and she thinks that he's going
because she's already made the decision that she wants to
be a vampire. Yeah, which I.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Even though Jacob tried to interject, he also came to
prom yeah, yeah, and he was like dump him and
she was like no, and then Jacob's like all right,
and then.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
He lives She's talking a big game for a woman
who's wearing a gross prom dress with a cardigany your
boyfriend nearly killed you and that too.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I was more upset with the car, but I liked.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I liked how they get in and they're like, we're
too cool for this, let's go outside. Yeah, And then
they had that like slow dance moment outside, which is
also similar to Cinderella Story, which is also similar to
cas Burn Wendy.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, and also the original Castle Love story. That's the thing.
At the end of the day, I think Catherine Hardwick
was trying to make this like indie drama, and she
did to an extent, but at the end of the day,
it is still a teen romance. And that's why it
had to finish at prom with them having a dance
and having this moment and Edward pretending to bite her
neck Colory and then her like accepting death in that
moment even though she's seventeen. There's no idea what's happening.

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And then Edward's saying that he wasn't going to bite her,
but they were going to continue to be together. Well
little tease. Yeah, it's very exciting, and then the stakes
are so high because then we cut to Victoria, right, Yeah,
she's the last thing we see with her iconic red hair.
And then that actress was replaced by Bryce Stellis Howard.
Brutal movies are brutal. Byward, she was great, but they

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then once the movie blew up in such a huge way,
then all of a sudden, they're like, well, we have
a bigger budget, We're gonna hire bigger actors, we're gonna
have bigger sets. And that's when it became this whole big,
glossy franchise and people were replaced. But yeah, Twilight, what
a what a trip down memory lane?

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I want to watch it again, even though I just
watched her last week. There's never enough.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
There's never enough, never enough, Twilight.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
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