October 22, 2025 • 31 mins
The first trailer for the upcoming season of Emily In Paris has just been released, and now we need to talk about the moments that truly shocked us (and the male characters we hate).
Plus, Lily Allen is releasing a new album this week, and the lyrics she has penned have uncovered a truly unbelievable celebrity cheating scandal.
Involving one of your favourite actors.And there’s a new nepo baby on the scene who is causing a stir, while a group of writers has banded together to take down a Hollywood superstar. But how are all these people linked to Gwyneth Paltrow? Allow us to explain.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome
to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm and then coming up on the show today, well,
two topics very close to Emily Vernham's heart. She pitched them.
(00:36):
She broke down the door of the studio to get
in here and talk about them.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Are we going to talk about the moth in the room?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh my god, I wished I had recorded that. So
we have a little spooky treat coming up for you
guys soon of something. And then I were doing and
in our planning me this morning as we were talking
about well, I was on the video call and you
were in the studio, So two different perspectives of the event.
So from my perspective, which heading away about some horror movies,
(01:02):
We're having a fun time, and all of a sudden
on the camera, I just see you and our producers
just jump up from the table and then our producer
Manitia just fall to the floor and I thought like
a murderer had broken into the room.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It was a moth. It was one little moth. It
was big. It was a big moth.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh my god, my, what's not going to hurt you?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It was just for eight fifty am meeting. It's just
not the energy I needed.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You all just left the room and I'm on the camera.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
We fully left the room because we are scared of
left LB on screen.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm like, does someone die? What happened? Imagine if the
moth's face just came up right, so scary, like a
serial killer movie.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And because we were both about to go to a
very scary event and we were talking and I was
already like in my legs.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Scared, You're already ready to be scared, just appears.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I thought I'll produce the Minitia had died. She hit
the floor so far?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah you didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Where is that now? Is it in the room with
us in.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The meeting room? Firstly, everyone in the office just turned
to look at us because we were just screaming and
came out and then the moth like flew away and
everyone was just like, oh, that was such a waste
of our time.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You don't know what it was. Do you know which
celebrity is deadly? Afraid of morths that she would have
absolutely passed away if she was in that room. Nicole Kibben, really,
Nicole Kibbenn is petrified of moths, so she brings it
up all the time in interviews.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh it's fair, yeah, because you know when you hit
them and they become like buttery.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's like they stay with you forever. Never hit a
MOTHA don't wait to get the animal rights activists involved. Sorry,
we're getting some emails. So we're coming to you guys
today from a traumatized place, is what Emily's trying to say.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That's the mood of the day.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So keep that trauma in mind. So today go on
with Paltrow. That's all I'll just say. Emily has beef.
She was messaging me last night with basically, you want
to take a hit out in the whole Paltrow Martin family.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, I'll take.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Them all down. Yeah, So we're gonna chat about that. Plus,
Lily Allen has given any interview leading up to the
release of her new album about being single. You've got
some thoughts on that, and we have to dive into
what happened with her relationship because it is so so
very intense. But first, this morning we woke we woke
up to a beautiful gift.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Ah. Yes, some might call it a gift.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, I thought it was a gift. I was so
excited I bounced out of bed like it was Christmas morning,
which is so fitting because this is the show I
saved to watch on Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Long time listeners know exactly what you're talking exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
The new trailer for Emily in Paris for the new season.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
We start on a beautiful woman. She's joined by a man.
It's clear they know each other, unable to keep their
hands with each other, eventually cheering backiss.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Roll looks so good on you, right. My sister and
I always watched Emily and Paris together, and it's a
whole thing from how we watched the screeners for the
first time, not knowing what the show was, and we
were like in lockdown together and it was just the
most beautiful night we ever had, and so ever since
then we save it to watch together.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The fast time I loved my sister.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That's the first time we bonded. No, we had way
too bonded. We we just spend less time together, and
now we save it to watch on Christmas Night together
and everyone else has gone to bed. But at the
end of last season, fans of Emily in Paris, the
real ones, well know that it ended with her because
she was moving to Rome for work. We had a
bit of a call going into her Insto account and
like deleting the Emily in Paris and putting Emily in Rome,
(04:21):
and then the screen cut to black, and I was like,
what a masterpiece of like a cliffhanger ending.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Except yeah, if you've worked in social media, m hm,
you know, changing a handle on a verified Instagram account
is very hard to bring.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That in here.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Don't bring that energy in here. I know she could
look nothing about it. Even from the trailer they dropped today.
I was just like full little logistics mode. I was like,
how is she getting from Paris to Rome? That's a
two hour flight, So it's.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Like, she's in Rome, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think? And it's no, but like all the other
characters are also following her to Rome for some reason.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, no, no, no, Can I just tell you one of
my biggest pet peas, there's a few of them. People
are talking movies, people that think loving true crime is
a quirky personality trait and people that don't understand Emily
in Paris. The plot is so simple at the end
of last season, Yeah, the whole like the main players
Sylvie Luke are all in Rome.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And are they just staying in Rome for them?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
They're not all saying that. Emily is staying to run
the Rome office for Agents Gratto, which is Sylvie's agency
that they all work for. And I guess the rest
of them are there because they're working on that big
campaign for that huge client, Marcello's family, And so I'm
thinking that a lot of them will be in Rome
setting up the new office and working on the campaign.
But the idea is that Emily is the only one
who works there permanently.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
What about that?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It is hard to understand.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And then where's Mindy?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So Mindy remember how she got a job being a
judge on Chinese pop Idol and that was the show
that she ran away to Paris to escape because she
had been on the show as a singer as a
contestant and she had hit a really bad note and
gone viral. Just remember after her band were kicked out
of Eurovision. She went to meet Emily in Rome so
they could get the whole gang there, and she went
viral for singing her new song Beautiful Ruins in the
(06:00):
middle of Rome and.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's all in Rome.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yes, okay, yeah, I don't understand what about that. It's
hard to understand.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it's fine. I just think logistically. But now we
have my defensive plane ticket it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, not no, No, they'll be going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You know how like Rome to Paris is a two
hour flight, which is like the same amount of time
it is from Sydney to Adelaide. Yeah, and yet we're
in the same country.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, we really don't have a good here.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I know, like I want to travel.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I want to go to Rome, and I wanted to
take a two hour flight.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I know. That's the beauty of being Europe, isn't it
That everywhere is just so cleol.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It just makes me really sad.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
We have other things going on for us here, that's true.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Adelaide's nice, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You're doing tourism and Adelaide in the middle of us
in the spots for Yeah, send us to Adelaide, send
us to Rome and then we'll come back to Adelaide
and comparing controls.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I am really excited for this next season. Yes, with
the Italian fashion. Yeah, I think it's going to be
so so good, and also have a huge crash on
her love interest.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Oh much, Oh my god, he's so yeah that is.
Can I just say I obviously I watched Emily in
Paris over and over and over again La Loup, but
after I watched on Christmas Day, but the Italian episodes
from the end of last season, I watch those like,
oh my god, this.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So beautiful, so beautiful. Really, I actually am excited.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And also this time around, So is Alfie going to
be in there?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, here's the thing, So Camille's Camille's not in this season,
which I guess it's okay. She's gone to adopt a
baby cute. Emily is involved in like a love quadrant
quadrant yes, because she and Marcello after having that bump
about him thinking that she was just trying to get
to him for his family business, and now she's moved
to Rome and they're going to be together. But also Gabrielle,
(07:39):
that old stick in the mind. Would she get out
of here? Is he's still in Paris, he was traveling
to he was going to go to Rome to get
win Emily back.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So they are getting all this money.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He wants her back. Now, what's a too hour flight?
I'm sure you can get. You can get like super
cheap tickets. It's fine. And then Alfie is back in
the mix.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
This season immigration getting all these people and I'm explaining
why they're there. Who's this Emily girl?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, and everyone's just come for her exactly. Well, Emily
has a proper European working visa now, at least to
work in France, so she could for anyone.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Who's government's like, I got you your v'sa and you're
not even here.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah yeah, well she's She's an asset to France, is
what they ascertained to chaos. So yeah, so will it
be Marcello? Will it be ALFI, will it be Gabrielle.
That's this season set up. Who do you want it
to be? Michello?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
No, I want Marchello?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh you want to date Marcello?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, I want her to be with Alfie that's
my thought.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I love him. So at least they have any like
Lewis Hamilton, who I really Yeah? That boat's so good looking.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh my god. Well the new season Elli in Paris
is just I'll never be like a proper TV critic
because of this conversation. The new season Emily in Paris
is coming to Netflix December eighteen. I of course I'll
be watching it to the twenty fifth, so we'll still
do some content.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Okay, it's all right. So Lily Allen is coming out
with a brand new album tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And I feel like every millennial and gen Z girl
have been seeing it everywhere, but mainly because she's been
doing a lot of press for it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And also, Lily Allen was such an important part of
like our teenage year and maybe you're a young like
your primary school years, teenage years, UNI years, and I've
seen so many elder millennials just posting like the promo
for her new album saying this is my life of
a showgirl. Me. I'm that excited.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
And I remember, like even when Game of Thrones happened,
and I'm so excited because Lily Allen's brother was and he.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Said to her, can you stop giving me interviews about
me being on the show, And I was like, let
us speak.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Let us speak. Yeah, really, Ahunt deserves it. So she
recently did an interview with Perfect magazine and in the interview,
she's talking about the album and she's really not holding
back any details on what this album is about. She
was talking about her separation with David Harbor. We know
that they were married for a bit. They dated for
(09:55):
a very very long time. She's forty, he's fifty, and
she has like two teenage kids as well. She said
in the interview, two people who are once together are
not together, and that's really sad. It's hard for me
not to have my person, you know. She also told
British Vogue that she had to check herself into a
trauma clinic during the divorce and when she was making
(10:16):
the album. She said that she created it in December
last year as a method to process the events unfolding
in her life. She said, I felt confusion, sadness, grief
and a sense of helplessness. So she's really really going
through it. But there's also one other thing, she said
in the interview with Perfect magazine, because now she started
to date and stuff. Yeah, she said the dating scene
(10:37):
is much harder as a forty year old woman with
two teenage children than it is for a thirty four
year old woman. Thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I didn't put this in our ideas, chattill send it
to you, which I normally send you a whole bunch
of stuff that I want to talk about. Because when
I saw that, I was just so traumatized from it
that I just blanked it. I don't have kids, but
in a few years I will be in my forties,
and the way things are going, I'll probably still be
dating then. H And so that just when she was like,
it's impossible to date in your forties, that just filled
(11:06):
me with such a cold sense of dread that I
just couldn't, like, I couldn't deal with it, that I
just put it away.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I'm hoping to make you feel better, Okay, please do
because I feel like the way she's doing these interviews now,
it's so telling that she's still really really going through
the breakup and the divorce, like she's really going through it.
And I feel like any woman who goes through a
really hard breaker, they just like look internally and they
(11:32):
see everything as being really really hard, which you're allowed
to do because everything for you right now is really
really hard. I do think when it comes to dating,
especially celebrities, they have to be so careful on how
they were dating things because dating as a celebrity woman
who's so so famous, so so beautiful, is so different
to dating as an average person. And I think if
she said that quote in a way that was internalized,
(11:54):
like me, dating as a forty year old is so
different to me dating as a thirty four year old,
that's perfect to say. Saying it as a blanket fact,
I think is quite harmful because it's just categorically not true.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Do you think that?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think dating experiences are so so unique, But you're
still in your twenties and I'm still in my twenties.
But even for thirty four year olds, reading that, I
would feel so so bad because I have friends who
are in their mid thirties who are really going through
the trenches in dating, and I think reading something like
that when you're not even forty would just be so
(12:27):
so harmful. I feel like dating now as a thirty
four year old is so different to dating as a
thirty four year old five years ago. Do you think
so things are changing? Like I've recently talked about chatfishing,
like that's the whole thing. People are now using AI
to send dating message, Like it's changing. People are the
way people see and respect each other is different, Like
ghosting is still so so common, to the point where
(12:48):
people are now publicly saying it's okay to ghost.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Are you saying dating's gotten worse? Is that the takeaway
from this.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm saying it's gotten worse, and I'm saying that I
think it makes me feel better, But I'm I'm saying
like it's hard for everyone. I don't think you can
put an age on it, and I don't think you
can put a life stage on it. I feel like
there are some women I know who are divorced with
kids and they're having a great time dating because there
also so dating other divorces with kids and it's working
out really well for them.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I know that's what it's like. From Lily Allen, I
was like, I also felt like a little annoyed at her,
even though I know she's been through a lot of trauma,
which you're about to get to, because I was like,
you're a famous, eventionally beautiful woman, and also you're probably
dating other people who have left a marriage or have kids,
and maybe I'm projecting on her, but I'm also like
that puts you in the same life stage as all
(13:33):
these people that you're dating. Whereas I think no one
kind of talks like the other hard side of it
that if you're approaching your forties and you haven't been married,
you don't have kids, do people then think there's something
wrong with you. You can't have that camaraderie of like, yeah,
we'll get our kids together. It's more so like why
don't you have that, it's weird that you're still dating,
yeah kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So I know it's even saying that it's not that
hard for you because at least you don't have kids, yeah,
which I'm like, that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I know it's a lot for anyone, But I think
we just think about like the trauma that Lily Allen's.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I mean, I feel like she said that quote in
a way of saying it's hard for me, and it
just came out as like a blanket statement across dating
culture in jail.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, because she's spoken a lot of the years about
she's had a lot of like really tumultuous relationships, she's
been cheated on by partners before, she's been in like
her words, like emotionally abusive relationships. When she married her
first I think was her first husband, he was kind
of like a norm me and everyone's like, oh, she's
a wild child performer from like a famous family, and
he's this like normal guy and he's gonna save her.
(14:28):
And they had those two kids together, Ethelyn Mahni, and
they lived in a farmhouse and she was like, I
just go out and feed the chickens and that's all
I do. And my dream, oh, like Lily Allen. I
mean I feel like they'd be a lot of minest
so it's not my dream. But everyone's like, Lily Allen
has been saved. And then then that relationship broke up.
It's like everyone was like waiting for her to meet someone.
And then when she and David Harbor started dating, so
(14:50):
like actor from Stranger Things and he's in the Marvel
Cinematic universe now, people were really rooting for them. So
they met on Raya in twenty nineteen and were instantly
very much like, wear each other's people on red carpets together,
you know, all that sort of stuff. They got married
in Las Vegas. Remember that they She had the beautiful
little white mini dress on.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And the photos so good.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
The photos are iconic. They got married by an Elvis impersonator,
and then they're just eating in and out burgers and fries,
like in the street and they're dead on top of
the car, happy and like in their little white mini
dress and like so happy. And then every time they
talked about their relationship it was just like so beautiful
and people got so invested when they did that architectural
digest spread and their home is like full, like.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Oh my god, oh my god, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's crazy. Maximalis like everyone was like that looks incredible,
but like, how would you ever live.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's like a gallery, like an art studio.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's just so over the top. And they were both
like Lily was like, this is what I wanted and
David was like, yeah, whatever she wants, Like I'm so happy.
And then when it came out that they were breaking up,
there were all these allegations of cheating rumors. Lily Allen
has never confirmed this, but she's also never denied it.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
In one of her lyrics, it says, you let me
believe it was all in my head and not related
to those girls in your beds. Yes, like from her
new song sleepwalking.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Oh my god, Okay, that ties into the story that's
out there that Again, she has never said it's not true,
and it was uncustomed.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
She neither confirmed nor DENI yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And I wonder if at some point she'll kind of
be like, yeah, this story is true. So the story
goes that was unneathed by a few gossip sides that
Lily Allen started to feel like David was acting a
bit strange and a bit distant, and he again kept
saying to her like, I No, it's fine, like it's
all in your head. And then she decided to log
back into the raya app where they had met that
they had both said that they had shut down, and.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That meant I'm still on the wait list. Yeah, I
wanted to uncover David Harber.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, let us seem just to do detective work, right.
We promised it won't match with anyone. And then she
couldn't see him on there, so she changed her settings
and she changed it for I think she changed it
from like men to women so she could see the
women that were connected to him. I know there's something
about it and how ray works. And then she found
that he still had an active profile and oh my god,
(17:02):
I have to read you what his combio said because
people have found this profile. So he had a crim
He had changed his picture on Riya to like a cartoon,
so I don't think he was like super recognizable.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Also, no one could really out him.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, And so she found an active profile belonging to
him and the buyer on it red Am I going
to cringe, Yeah, you're gonna die. No the Buio red
closet nerd that plays tough guys on TV. But then
she could see he like to get the extra kind
of yeah, because he obviously plays.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Like it actually feels so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Isn't that awful? But then she saw like women that
he was potentially matching with on Raya. Then she went
to their Instagram accounts and his Instagram account and he
was following them that they were like linked in some ways.
So then she also then she uncovered that he had
been having affairs for months and months and months. Is
how the story goes with multiple women. Ah, the audacity,
the absolute audacity of that man. And to do it
(17:55):
so publicly, yeah, because then it was such an open thing.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Everyone just it's not even a secret affair where he
like met like it's a assistant or like someone who
worked with it's literally he has a public profile on
a dating app.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
He just like jumped back on the apps while like
he was promoting all his Maravel movies.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
What the heck and.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Just hooked up with women.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I meant to know how to cheat.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I know they because they all cheat. That's what we
always hear.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
We don't know you cheat.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I hear that from every publicist I talk to that
every single big actor in Hollywood cheat for their wife
except rober Daddy Junior. Apparently he's the only one I
don't know through so much. I'm not loving it. I'm
just loving this is the situation.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Sorry, which is like all these Marvel actors.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I love how we're like dating's fine, what is she
even talking about? Then we're just like, oh yeah, every man.
So after that, she talked about the fact that she
didn't feel like financially secure, she didn't feel mentally secure,
all these things like Lily Allen pretty much then went
into a full breakdown. So just think about that when
the new season of Stranger Things comes out and album
(18:57):
you're watching David Harbour Save the World, Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, that comes out on the twenty ninth and November, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Or competing projects the way we love Lily Allen I
just I don't know. I know, I'm almost going to
say I hope she finds someone, but I also just
feel like I just hope that she lives in her beautiful,
big Maxima's house with her two lovely daughters and releases
all these songs that are wildly successful, and I hope.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
She sees how excited her like core demographic of fans
are for this album, like I am so so excited
for tomorrow, like I'm going to be listening to it
on repeat. Yes, also because it's going to be such
a good album from what she've been saying about it,
And I just hope she gets like some sense of
like joy out of that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, me too, because she deserves it. Do you want
to explain why you just played that song for everyone
to listen to with no warning? People just drove.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Actually, I actually feel really bad.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Do you you wanted to do this segment? I thought
it would be too mean.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I feel really mean.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Now, Yeah you should, guys, you just heard.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
What you just heard was Apple Martin, the daughter of
Gwyne Paltrow and Chris Martin, singing on stage with a
band called Jade Street. Okay, when I first listened to
this song of her live singing, it sounded way better.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Oh, I wonder if you heard an auto change version.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Maybe it's because I was also watching her, and I
was more like encapsulated by watching her. That did not
sound good. Did you think that sounded good? No?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But I also think that, like you're saying, her stage
presence is good.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I mean, it's fine. She's not a professional singer.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
She kind of looked down and.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
She just like jumped on the mic to join in, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately for her, it has gone viral. And that is
the toll of inheriting millions from your family, is that
anything you do gets blasted around the world.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well, I originally pitched this story because I was like.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You're also having second thoughts now.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I was just like, I watched the video. I thought
the singing was not as bad as what we just said.
I'm so sorry. I thought it was okay.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I watched it. I was getting really distressed listening to that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It was more just like I really don't want her
to be a thing in my life. Oh like, I
really really don't like her as a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Well, she is about to be a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
More when she pushed that girl to the ground and said,
and you stay there, and then she she got photo.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay, we have to room. That is the worst rumor
you've ever spread. We have to have some fact in here.
So she was at a debutant ball where she was
a debutante, and the video went viral because she walked.
She didn't push a girl on the ground. Emily, that's
the worst thing you've ever said. She walked in front
of another girl having her photo taken. Kind of shimmy,
but she was walking along getting her photo taken. I
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think she's got in the moment, got overcome in the moment.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was the other girl's turn, and the other girl
didn't even get a turn.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Hard enough, man.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And also we know that other girls also a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, exactly, that poor billionaire girl. The thing is, it's
hard enough, probably making your debut with Apple Martin, because
even though those girls all came from like super rich
famous families, it's like Apple was there.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
We wouldn't even be the richest one there on the
bottom tiers.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She had the most like well known family there from
like a pop culture sense, because Chris Martin was there,
Gwyneth Paltrow was there and life Dana was there, Yeah,
the famous grandmother.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So with traue situation, Paly Trinity.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, but you're about to be seeing Apple Martin a
lot more because she is starting to do some you know,
singing and on the red carpet, potentially some acting, and
she's the face of Lose new fashion campaign.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, I didn't want to go too hard in on
her singing also because I feel like if I went
hard in honor singing, then I also have to go
hard in on Moses. Yeah, who's also a singer. What
beef have you got with most allegedly? Well, I think
he's actually a good singer. Yeah, so I think he's fine.
And I didn't want it to sound like I'm only
hating on her without hating on the other nebo babies.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, it's interesting that all of a sudden, Apple Martin
is becoming this big thing.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I honestly think if that thing didn't happen at the ball,
I'd be so fine with her. Yeah, there's something in
me like when you watch and Will. We've talked about
it before, and all the debutanes are taking like terms.
They've been very respectful of each other, taking terms of
their bodos and it was this girl's turn, and Apple
Mum just slips and run in front of her and
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hits these crazy poses and everyone collaps and it was
just a mean girl thing to do. And I don't
stand for mean girls, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And now she's on stage thinking, like literally the third
podcast I've had this debates, we'll put it to would
just put the video on the Instagram account and the
spill Instagram account. People can make their own minds of
about it. Out of all the NEPO babies I thought
were going to become big superstars, I've got to say
Apple Martin was not on my list. Just for so
many years she didn't go to any of these big
events with her famous family. She was never seen on
red carpets. Really, she was always in the background. She
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finished high school, she went to university. I think she
is doing like acting as part of her university degree.
But she had like a private Instagram account. She worked
at like a clothing store for a really long time.
Like you could just go into the clothing store in
Apple Martin would like ring up your T shirts. And
remember she did an internship but like Interview magazine and stuff,
but for a while they had just seen that she
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would be like a very very low key Neppo baby
that she would I was like, is she going to
go do like a finance degree or something. And then
all of a sudden, it's like halfway through UNI, she
decided that she wants this fame that was her birthright.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Well maybe for her, but also maybe her.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Parents were like, you can't do any of this until
you're an adult, Like you're not going to be a
child star. And so maybe now that she's like a
proper adult, now she's fronting all the big fashion campaigns,
and she's going to events, and she's starting to be
a singer, and she'll probably be in like she'll definitely
be in some movies soon.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I think you're gonna have to let this beef go.
I'm just like, it's hard because we do we do
love to love a Nepo baby like Brooklyn Beckham is
like the boy of our hearts forever and ever.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
At Brooklyn Beckham, she.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Hasn't got that level of Child'll just say that I
need her to go and try it's on photography. I
need her to be unaware of the situation around her.
That's I think she's too aware, yeah, or we need
her to just be like unhinged like Dakota Johnson, Yes,
or like tell wild stories like a Kate Hudson, Like
we just need That's all we want from NEPO babies
is them to.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Have your stick to fine a stick.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, And then we can talk about her her stick
according to you, as being a beautiful bully. Yes, actually
with beautiful bullies. Her mum has been vack him. Gwyneth
Paltrow has been back in the headlines again. So on
a pod the other day that you were not here
for very sadly, we were talking about her new big
Vogue cover and she and the journalist and this is
the first time she talked about the book Gwyneth Paltrow
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that was written without her consent by author Amy O'Dell,
and she and the journalist are basically laughing about how
terrible it was in this Vogue cover story and what
a terrible writer Amy was, and how she had missed
all the big moments. And then recently on her substack
and podcast, Amy O'Dell talked about how surprised she was
that Gwyneth had devoted such a huge portion of her
(25:55):
Vogue story to talking about Amy, and she basically said
she proved her point, but she did all this on it.
This is true.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
She did prove a point.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, she did prove a point. Amy's like everything I
wrote about her in the book she proved by the
way she acted in that article. But Amy had this
conversation on her podcast when she was interviewing Linus carp
and Joseph Martin. Do you know those names? No, they
are the stars and creators of the play Gwyneth Goes Skiing.
Oh yeah, do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So, oh my god, Gwyneth Goes Skiing needs to come
to Australia. I'm so desperate to see it.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I want to do a really on review of it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, please invite us to the premiere. We're your
biggest fans. So that is just remember how that man
tried to That man who's not even important tried to
sue Gwyneth Paltrow for a skiing accident, and instead of
just paying him out and moving on with her life,
she went she was like, I'm going to court to
counter sue you for a dollar. And she went to court,
and the tapes from that court room are still the
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wildest thing I mosteen lines. Gwyneth comes in like ice cold,
dressed beautifully every day.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
She speaks cream jumper and glasses.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
All those looks sold out, all her care room looks
was selling out, and people started dressing like people started
dressing and saying like, I'm Gwynneth Paltrow court room like
that's my new style. And the wildest thing about that
whole trial that was made public is that halfway through
the trial, the man who was suing her, his lawyer
like turns for Gwyneth Paltrow. Do remember that.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
We were watching it live.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
When I was watching that like soap opera, all of
a sudden, she's like chatting away and she's like asking
how tall she is, and she says and she's like
we're the same high hahh. She's like I really love
your shoes, and Gwenna's like thanks. I was like, sorry,
water's happening. That man who's just spent his life savings,
man's just like his life savings trying to take Gwenneth down.
And now even his lawyer is like, I love you, Gwenna.
(27:55):
When it just wins people over, Oh.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
My god, the line I lost a day of skiing. Yes,
go down in history.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And then and so it was all ruled in Gwenna's favor. Yeah,
because I think they did find emails where he had
been emailing his daughters that he because he was like,
I didn't know what was going to Paltrow. I would
sue anyone who hit me. I'm not trying to get
money out of her. And I do believe they uncovered
emails and he had sent to his children, who I
do believe have disowned him.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Gwyneth Paltrow hit me.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He's like, I met Gwyneth Paltrow. I met Gwyneth Paltrow,
and they were like, so you did know it was
Gwyneth Paltrow. And there they asked her what she had suffered,
because he had He said he'd suffered quite a bit
and she had a lot of injury, get a lot
of mental strain, which again we're not making light of,
but like it just it didn't go in his favor.
And then yeah, they asked Gwyneth what she had suffered,
and she said, well, I lost a day of skiing.
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And the worst part of that, and the best part
is that when the judge ruled in Gwyneth Paltrow's favor.
There's no reaction on her face when you watch the video,
there's just nothing. She didn't even stand. She like rises
up and she glides floats away. She floats across the courtroom,
and then she leans down and whispers in that man's ear,
I wish you well, and then she floats out of
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the courtroom. It's the most chilling thing, like no horror
movie has ever compared. And then from that this plague
Gwyneth GRoWES skin, which is an adaptation of the whole
great idea. So good. The riots and creators teamed up
with Amy Odell for a podcast just to discuss Gwyneth,
and it's great and they're just like everything she does
is like what we've.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Said, Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So that's where the family's really going through it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I may think they're okay. Chris Bums just like just
trying to like go through his own breakup. And then
he accidentally outs a couple at his concert, which like.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Can you guys chill out trying to music.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's just trying to be a serious musician, being crazy.
But remember that colplay concert couple, the couple that got
caught on the Dumbo Tron. They both came out saying
that they were absolutely not dating Chris, but it's come
out so like her marriage broke up. I think his
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marriage is already broken up. But it came out that
they weren't dating, but they were at the same company.
They will do work at the same company, so they
both lost their jobs.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
This has been like huge, A lot of emotions fly
when at a concert. Yeah, they just had a bit
of a cuddle.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I know. Now, Chris Martin, that's what He's forever linked
to that, and Gwyneth Paltrow is forever linked to skiing.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And Apple Martin's forever link to be Bully.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I know. So it's crazy. I mean, give this family
a documentary, yes, and also I want to how.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
About we start our own play about the whole family.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, who do you want to play?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh? Not Apple, I'll be Moses.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Moses. I feel like I've Chris Martin energy. I'm just
like you can be the CEO the situation. I know. Look,
it's just a crazy amalgamations of events for this very
famous family. And in the midst of it all is
brad Fulcheck, who is one of Paltrow's husband everyone who
read the book, who read the book for her so
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that she wouldn't have to, And he was the one
that said Amy Odell's a bad writer. And when asked
about it, Amy O'Dell said, look, it's really hard to
sell non fiction books at the moment. People aren't really
buying them as much anymore. So as Brad Foulchek is
reading my book and she kind of infer that she
thinks and I also read it. She's like, if Brad
felt Check is reading my books, and I'm just going
to call that a win.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
But he's just going to read a book that someone's
written about you, you're to read it?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well, yeah, well that's why she had her husband do it.
I love that she just like ordered him. He's like
this big Hollywood producer and she was like, I order
you to read this book for me.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It was like I skimmed it. I'm like, you read
every single word and you've memorized it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
What a time. So anyway, Aahule Martin about to be
our next big star.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, getting feelings, but well this means we keep talking
about her.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
Make sure you follow us on socials, We're on TikTok
and Instagram, at The Spill Podcast, and we will see
you tomorrow at six am for a weekend watch.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Bye bye,
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome
to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm and then coming up on the show today, well,
two topics very close to Emily Vernham's heart. She pitched them.
(00:36):
She broke down the door of the studio to get
in here and talk about them.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Are we going to talk about the moth in the room?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh my god, I wished I had recorded that. So
we have a little spooky treat coming up for you
guys soon of something. And then I were doing and
in our planning me this morning as we were talking
about well, I was on the video call and you
were in the studio, So two different perspectives of the event.
So from my perspective, which heading away about some horror movies,
(01:02):
We're having a fun time, and all of a sudden
on the camera, I just see you and our producers
just jump up from the table and then our producer
Manitia just fall to the floor and I thought like
a murderer had broken into the room.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It was a moth. It was one little moth. It
was big. It was a big moth.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh my god, my, what's not going to hurt you?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It was just for eight fifty am meeting. It's just
not the energy I needed.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You all just left the room and I'm on the camera.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
We fully left the room because we are scared of
left LB on screen.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm like, does someone die? What happened? Imagine if the
moth's face just came up right, so scary, like a
serial killer movie.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And because we were both about to go to a
very scary event and we were talking and I was
already like in my legs.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Scared, You're already ready to be scared, just appears.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I thought I'll produce the Minitia had died. She hit
the floor so far?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah you didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Where is that now? Is it in the room with
us in.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The meeting room? Firstly, everyone in the office just turned
to look at us because we were just screaming and
came out and then the moth like flew away and
everyone was just like, oh, that was such a waste
of our time.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You don't know what it was. Do you know which
celebrity is deadly? Afraid of morths that she would have
absolutely passed away if she was in that room. Nicole Kibben, really,
Nicole Kibbenn is petrified of moths, so she brings it
up all the time in interviews.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh it's fair, yeah, because you know when you hit
them and they become like buttery.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's like they stay with you forever. Never hit a
MOTHA don't wait to get the animal rights activists involved. Sorry,
we're getting some emails. So we're coming to you guys
today from a traumatized place, is what Emily's trying to say.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That's the mood of the day.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So keep that trauma in mind. So today go on
with Paltrow. That's all I'll just say. Emily has beef.
She was messaging me last night with basically, you want
to take a hit out in the whole Paltrow Martin family.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, I'll take.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Them all down. Yeah, So we're gonna chat about that. Plus,
Lily Allen has given any interview leading up to the
release of her new album about being single. You've got
some thoughts on that, and we have to dive into
what happened with her relationship because it is so so
very intense. But first, this morning we woke we woke
up to a beautiful gift.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Ah. Yes, some might call it a gift.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, I thought it was a gift. I was so
excited I bounced out of bed like it was Christmas morning,
which is so fitting because this is the show I
saved to watch on Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Long time listeners know exactly what you're talking exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
The new trailer for Emily in Paris for the new season.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
We start on a beautiful woman. She's joined by a man.
It's clear they know each other, unable to keep their
hands with each other, eventually cheering backiss.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Roll looks so good on you, right. My sister and
I always watched Emily and Paris together, and it's a
whole thing from how we watched the screeners for the
first time, not knowing what the show was, and we
were like in lockdown together and it was just the
most beautiful night we ever had, and so ever since
then we save it to watch together.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The fast time I loved my sister.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That's the first time we bonded. No, we had way
too bonded. We we just spend less time together, and
now we save it to watch on Christmas Night together
and everyone else has gone to bed. But at the
end of last season, fans of Emily in Paris, the
real ones, well know that it ended with her because
she was moving to Rome for work. We had a
bit of a call going into her Insto account and
like deleting the Emily in Paris and putting Emily in Rome,
(04:21):
and then the screen cut to black, and I was like,
what a masterpiece of like a cliffhanger ending.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Except yeah, if you've worked in social media, m hm,
you know, changing a handle on a verified Instagram account
is very hard to bring.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That in here.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Don't bring that energy in here. I know she could
look nothing about it. Even from the trailer they dropped today.
I was just like full little logistics mode. I was like,
how is she getting from Paris to Rome? That's a
two hour flight, So it's.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Like, she's in Rome, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think? And it's no, but like all the other
characters are also following her to Rome for some reason.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, no, no, no, Can I just tell you one of
my biggest pet peas, there's a few of them. People
are talking movies, people that think loving true crime is
a quirky personality trait and people that don't understand Emily
in Paris. The plot is so simple at the end
of last season, Yeah, the whole like the main players
Sylvie Luke are all in Rome.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And are they just staying in Rome for them?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
They're not all saying that. Emily is staying to run
the Rome office for Agents Gratto, which is Sylvie's agency
that they all work for. And I guess the rest
of them are there because they're working on that big
campaign for that huge client, Marcello's family, And so I'm
thinking that a lot of them will be in Rome
setting up the new office and working on the campaign.
But the idea is that Emily is the only one
who works there permanently.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
What about that?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It is hard to understand.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And then where's Mindy?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So Mindy remember how she got a job being a
judge on Chinese pop Idol and that was the show
that she ran away to Paris to escape because she
had been on the show as a singer as a
contestant and she had hit a really bad note and
gone viral. Just remember after her band were kicked out
of Eurovision. She went to meet Emily in Rome so
they could get the whole gang there, and she went
viral for singing her new song Beautiful Ruins in the
(06:00):
middle of Rome and.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's all in Rome.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yes, okay, yeah, I don't understand what about that. It's
hard to understand.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it's fine. I just think logistically. But now we
have my defensive plane ticket it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, not no, No, they'll be going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You know how like Rome to Paris is a two
hour flight, which is like the same amount of time
it is from Sydney to Adelaide. Yeah, and yet we're
in the same country.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, we really don't have a good here.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I know, like I want to travel.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I want to go to Rome, and I wanted to
take a two hour flight.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I know. That's the beauty of being Europe, isn't it
That everywhere is just so cleol.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It just makes me really sad.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
We have other things going on for us here, that's true.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Adelaide's nice, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You're doing tourism and Adelaide in the middle of us
in the spots for Yeah, send us to Adelaide, send
us to Rome and then we'll come back to Adelaide
and comparing controls.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I am really excited for this next season. Yes, with
the Italian fashion. Yeah, I think it's going to be
so so good, and also have a huge crash on
her love interest.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Oh much, Oh my god, he's so yeah that is.
Can I just say I obviously I watched Emily in
Paris over and over and over again La Loup, but
after I watched on Christmas Day, but the Italian episodes
from the end of last season, I watch those like,
oh my god, this.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So beautiful, so beautiful. Really, I actually am excited.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And also this time around, So is Alfie going to
be in there?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, here's the thing, So Camille's Camille's not in this season,
which I guess it's okay. She's gone to adopt a
baby cute. Emily is involved in like a love quadrant
quadrant yes, because she and Marcello after having that bump
about him thinking that she was just trying to get
to him for his family business, and now she's moved
to Rome and they're going to be together. But also Gabrielle,
(07:39):
that old stick in the mind. Would she get out
of here? Is he's still in Paris, he was traveling
to he was going to go to Rome to get
win Emily back.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So they are getting all this money.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He wants her back. Now, what's a too hour flight?
I'm sure you can get. You can get like super
cheap tickets. It's fine. And then Alfie is back in
the mix.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
This season immigration getting all these people and I'm explaining
why they're there. Who's this Emily girl?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, and everyone's just come for her exactly. Well, Emily
has a proper European working visa now, at least to
work in France, so she could for anyone.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Who's government's like, I got you your v'sa and you're
not even here.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah yeah, well she's She's an asset to France, is
what they ascertained to chaos. So yeah, so will it
be Marcello? Will it be ALFI, will it be Gabrielle.
That's this season set up. Who do you want it
to be? Michello?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
No, I want Marchello?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh you want to date Marcello?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, I want her to be with Alfie that's
my thought.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I love him. So at least they have any like
Lewis Hamilton, who I really Yeah? That boat's so good looking.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh my god. Well the new season Elli in Paris
is just I'll never be like a proper TV critic
because of this conversation. The new season Emily in Paris
is coming to Netflix December eighteen. I of course I'll
be watching it to the twenty fifth, so we'll still
do some content.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Okay, it's all right. So Lily Allen is coming out
with a brand new album tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And I feel like every millennial and gen Z girl
have been seeing it everywhere, but mainly because she's been
doing a lot of press for it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And also, Lily Allen was such an important part of
like our teenage year and maybe you're a young like
your primary school years, teenage years, UNI years, and I've
seen so many elder millennials just posting like the promo
for her new album saying this is my life of
a showgirl. Me. I'm that excited.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
And I remember, like even when Game of Thrones happened,
and I'm so excited because Lily Allen's brother was and he.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Said to her, can you stop giving me interviews about
me being on the show, And I was like, let
us speak.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Let us speak. Yeah, really, Ahunt deserves it. So she
recently did an interview with Perfect magazine and in the interview,
she's talking about the album and she's really not holding
back any details on what this album is about. She
was talking about her separation with David Harbor. We know
that they were married for a bit. They dated for
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a very very long time. She's forty, he's fifty, and
she has like two teenage kids as well. She said
in the interview, two people who are once together are
not together, and that's really sad. It's hard for me
not to have my person, you know. She also told
British Vogue that she had to check herself into a
trauma clinic during the divorce and when she was making
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the album. She said that she created it in December
last year as a method to process the events unfolding
in her life. She said, I felt confusion, sadness, grief
and a sense of helplessness. So she's really really going
through it. But there's also one other thing, she said
in the interview with Perfect magazine, because now she started
to date and stuff. Yeah, she said the dating scene
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is much harder as a forty year old woman with
two teenage children than it is for a thirty four
year old woman. Thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I didn't put this in our ideas, chattill send it
to you, which I normally send you a whole bunch
of stuff that I want to talk about. Because when
I saw that, I was just so traumatized from it
that I just blanked it. I don't have kids, but
in a few years I will be in my forties,
and the way things are going, I'll probably still be
dating then. H And so that just when she was like,
it's impossible to date in your forties, that just filled
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me with such a cold sense of dread that I
just couldn't, like, I couldn't deal with it, that I
just put it away.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I'm hoping to make you feel better, Okay, please do
because I feel like the way she's doing these interviews now,
it's so telling that she's still really really going through
the breakup and the divorce, like she's really going through it.
And I feel like any woman who goes through a
really hard breaker, they just like look internally and they
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see everything as being really really hard, which you're allowed
to do because everything for you right now is really
really hard. I do think when it comes to dating,
especially celebrities, they have to be so careful on how
they were dating things because dating as a celebrity woman
who's so so famous, so so beautiful, is so different
to dating as an average person. And I think if
she said that quote in a way that was internalized,
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like me, dating as a forty year old is so
different to me dating as a thirty four year old,
that's perfect to say. Saying it as a blanket fact,
I think is quite harmful because it's just categorically not true.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Do you think that?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think dating experiences are so so unique, But you're
still in your twenties and I'm still in my twenties.
But even for thirty four year olds, reading that, I
would feel so so bad because I have friends who
are in their mid thirties who are really going through
the trenches in dating, and I think reading something like
that when you're not even forty would just be so
(12:27):
so harmful. I feel like dating now as a thirty
four year old is so different to dating as a
thirty four year old five years ago. Do you think
so things are changing? Like I've recently talked about chatfishing,
like that's the whole thing. People are now using AI
to send dating message, Like it's changing. People are the
way people see and respect each other is different, Like
ghosting is still so so common, to the point where
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people are now publicly saying it's okay to ghost.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Are you saying dating's gotten worse? Is that the takeaway
from this.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm saying it's gotten worse, and I'm saying that I
think it makes me feel better, But I'm I'm saying
like it's hard for everyone. I don't think you can
put an age on it, and I don't think you
can put a life stage on it. I feel like
there are some women I know who are divorced with
kids and they're having a great time dating because there
also so dating other divorces with kids and it's working
out really well for them.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I know that's what it's like. From Lily Allen, I
was like, I also felt like a little annoyed at her,
even though I know she's been through a lot of trauma,
which you're about to get to, because I was like,
you're a famous, eventionally beautiful woman, and also you're probably
dating other people who have left a marriage or have kids,
and maybe I'm projecting on her, but I'm also like
that puts you in the same life stage as all
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these people that you're dating. Whereas I think no one
kind of talks like the other hard side of it
that if you're approaching your forties and you haven't been married,
you don't have kids, do people then think there's something
wrong with you. You can't have that camaraderie of like, yeah,
we'll get our kids together. It's more so like why
don't you have that, it's weird that you're still dating,
yeah kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So I know it's even saying that it's not that
hard for you because at least you don't have kids, yeah,
which I'm like, that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I know it's a lot for anyone, But I think
we just think about like the trauma that Lily Allen's.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I mean, I feel like she said that quote in
a way of saying it's hard for me, and it
just came out as like a blanket statement across dating
culture in jail.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, because she's spoken a lot of the years about
she's had a lot of like really tumultuous relationships, she's
been cheated on by partners before, she's been in like
her words, like emotionally abusive relationships. When she married her
first I think was her first husband, he was kind
of like a norm me and everyone's like, oh, she's
a wild child performer from like a famous family, and
he's this like normal guy and he's gonna save her.
(14:28):
And they had those two kids together, Ethelyn Mahni, and
they lived in a farmhouse and she was like, I
just go out and feed the chickens and that's all
I do. And my dream, oh, like Lily Allen. I
mean I feel like they'd be a lot of minest
so it's not my dream. But everyone's like, Lily Allen
has been saved. And then then that relationship broke up.
It's like everyone was like waiting for her to meet someone.
And then when she and David Harbor started dating, so
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like actor from Stranger Things and he's in the Marvel
Cinematic universe now, people were really rooting for them. So
they met on Raya in twenty nineteen and were instantly
very much like, wear each other's people on red carpets together,
you know, all that sort of stuff. They got married
in Las Vegas. Remember that they She had the beautiful
little white mini dress on.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And the photos so good.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
The photos are iconic. They got married by an Elvis impersonator,
and then they're just eating in and out burgers and fries,
like in the street and they're dead on top of
the car, happy and like in their little white mini
dress and like so happy. And then every time they
talked about their relationship it was just like so beautiful
and people got so invested when they did that architectural
digest spread and their home is like full, like.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Oh my god, oh my god, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's crazy. Maximalis like everyone was like that looks incredible,
but like, how would you ever live.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's like a gallery, like an art studio.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's just so over the top. And they were both
like Lily was like, this is what I wanted and
David was like, yeah, whatever she wants, Like I'm so happy.
And then when it came out that they were breaking up,
there were all these allegations of cheating rumors. Lily Allen
has never confirmed this, but she's also never denied it.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
In one of her lyrics, it says, you let me
believe it was all in my head and not related
to those girls in your beds. Yes, like from her
new song sleepwalking.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Oh my god, Okay, that ties into the story that's
out there that Again, she has never said it's not true,
and it was uncustomed.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
She neither confirmed nor DENI yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And I wonder if at some point she'll kind of
be like, yeah, this story is true. So the story
goes that was unneathed by a few gossip sides that
Lily Allen started to feel like David was acting a
bit strange and a bit distant, and he again kept
saying to her like, I No, it's fine, like it's
all in your head. And then she decided to log
back into the raya app where they had met that
they had both said that they had shut down, and.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That meant I'm still on the wait list. Yeah, I
wanted to uncover David Harber.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, let us seem just to do detective work, right.
We promised it won't match with anyone. And then she
couldn't see him on there, so she changed her settings
and she changed it for I think she changed it
from like men to women so she could see the
women that were connected to him. I know there's something
about it and how ray works. And then she found
that he still had an active profile and oh my god,
(17:02):
I have to read you what his combio said because
people have found this profile. So he had a crim
He had changed his picture on Riya to like a cartoon,
so I don't think he was like super recognizable.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Also, no one could really out him.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, And so she found an active profile belonging to
him and the buyer on it red Am I going
to cringe, Yeah, you're gonna die. No the Buio red
closet nerd that plays tough guys on TV. But then
she could see he like to get the extra kind
of yeah, because he obviously plays.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Like it actually feels so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Isn't that awful? But then she saw like women that
he was potentially matching with on Raya. Then she went
to their Instagram accounts and his Instagram account and he
was following them that they were like linked in some ways.
So then she also then she uncovered that he had
been having affairs for months and months and months. Is
how the story goes with multiple women. Ah, the audacity,
the absolute audacity of that man. And to do it
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so publicly, yeah, because then it was such an open thing.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Everyone just it's not even a secret affair where he
like met like it's a assistant or like someone who
worked with it's literally he has a public profile on
a dating app.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
He just like jumped back on the apps while like
he was promoting all his Maravel movies.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
What the heck and.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Just hooked up with women.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I meant to know how to cheat.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I know they because they all cheat. That's what we
always hear.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
We don't know you cheat.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I hear that from every publicist I talk to that
every single big actor in Hollywood cheat for their wife
except rober Daddy Junior. Apparently he's the only one I
don't know through so much. I'm not loving it. I'm
just loving this is the situation.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Sorry, which is like all these Marvel actors.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I love how we're like dating's fine, what is she
even talking about? Then we're just like, oh yeah, every man.
So after that, she talked about the fact that she
didn't feel like financially secure, she didn't feel mentally secure,
all these things like Lily Allen pretty much then went
into a full breakdown. So just think about that when
the new season of Stranger Things comes out and album
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you're watching David Harbour Save the World, Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, that comes out on the twenty ninth and November, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Or competing projects the way we love Lily Allen I
just I don't know. I know, I'm almost going to
say I hope she finds someone, but I also just
feel like I just hope that she lives in her beautiful,
big Maxima's house with her two lovely daughters and releases
all these songs that are wildly successful, and I hope.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
She sees how excited her like core demographic of fans
are for this album, like I am so so excited
for tomorrow, like I'm going to be listening to it
on repeat. Yes, also because it's going to be such
a good album from what she've been saying about it,
And I just hope she gets like some sense of
like joy out of that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, me too, because she deserves it. Do you want
to explain why you just played that song for everyone
to listen to with no warning? People just drove.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Actually, I actually feel really bad.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Do you you wanted to do this segment? I thought
it would be too mean.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I feel really mean.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Now, Yeah you should, guys, you just heard.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
What you just heard was Apple Martin, the daughter of
Gwyne Paltrow and Chris Martin, singing on stage with a
band called Jade Street. Okay, when I first listened to
this song of her live singing, it sounded way better.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Oh, I wonder if you heard an auto change version.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Maybe it's because I was also watching her, and I
was more like encapsulated by watching her. That did not
sound good. Did you think that sounded good? No?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But I also think that, like you're saying, her stage
presence is good.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I mean, it's fine. She's not a professional singer.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
She kind of looked down and.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
She just like jumped on the mic to join in, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately for her, it has gone viral. And that is
the toll of inheriting millions from your family, is that
anything you do gets blasted around the world.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well, I originally pitched this story because I was like.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You're also having second thoughts now.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I was just like, I watched the video. I thought
the singing was not as bad as what we just said.
I'm so sorry. I thought it was okay.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I watched it. I was getting really distressed listening to that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It was more just like I really don't want her
to be a thing in my life. Oh like, I
really really don't like her as a celebrity.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Well, she is about to be a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
More when she pushed that girl to the ground and said,
and you stay there, and then she she got photo.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay, we have to room. That is the worst rumor
you've ever spread. We have to have some fact in here.
So she was at a debutant ball where she was
a debutante, and the video went viral because she walked.
She didn't push a girl on the ground. Emily, that's
the worst thing you've ever said. She walked in front
of another girl having her photo taken. Kind of shimmy,
but she was walking along getting her photo taken. I
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think she's got in the moment, got overcome in the moment.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was the other girl's turn, and the other girl
didn't even get a turn.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Hard enough, man.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And also we know that other girls also a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, exactly, that poor billionaire girl. The thing is, it's
hard enough, probably making your debut with Apple Martin, because
even though those girls all came from like super rich
famous families, it's like Apple was there.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
We wouldn't even be the richest one there on the
bottom tiers.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She had the most like well known family there from
like a pop culture sense, because Chris Martin was there,
Gwyneth Paltrow was there and life Dana was there, Yeah,
the famous grandmother.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So with traue situation, Paly Trinity.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, but you're about to be seeing Apple Martin a
lot more because she is starting to do some you know,
singing and on the red carpet, potentially some acting, and
she's the face of Lose new fashion campaign.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, I didn't want to go too hard in on
her singing also because I feel like if I went
hard in honor singing, then I also have to go
hard in on Moses. Yeah, who's also a singer. What
beef have you got with most allegedly? Well, I think
he's actually a good singer. Yeah, so I think he's fine.
And I didn't want it to sound like I'm only
hating on her without hating on the other nebo babies.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, it's interesting that all of a sudden, Apple Martin
is becoming this big thing.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I honestly think if that thing didn't happen at the ball,
I'd be so fine with her. Yeah, there's something in
me like when you watch and Will. We've talked about
it before, and all the debutanes are taking like terms.
They've been very respectful of each other, taking terms of
their bodos and it was this girl's turn, and Apple
Mum just slips and run in front of her and
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hits these crazy poses and everyone collaps and it was
just a mean girl thing to do. And I don't
stand for mean girls, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And now she's on stage thinking, like literally the third
podcast I've had this debates, we'll put it to would
just put the video on the Instagram account and the
spill Instagram account. People can make their own minds of
about it. Out of all the NEPO babies I thought
were going to become big superstars, I've got to say
Apple Martin was not on my list. Just for so
many years she didn't go to any of these big
events with her famous family. She was never seen on
red carpets. Really, she was always in the background. She
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finished high school, she went to university. I think she
is doing like acting as part of her university degree.
But she had like a private Instagram account. She worked
at like a clothing store for a really long time.
Like you could just go into the clothing store in
Apple Martin would like ring up your T shirts. And
remember she did an internship but like Interview magazine and stuff,
but for a while they had just seen that she
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would be like a very very low key Neppo baby
that she would I was like, is she going to
go do like a finance degree or something. And then
all of a sudden, it's like halfway through UNI, she
decided that she wants this fame that was her birthright.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Well maybe for her, but also maybe her.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Parents were like, you can't do any of this until
you're an adult, Like you're not going to be a
child star. And so maybe now that she's like a
proper adult, now she's fronting all the big fashion campaigns,
and she's going to events, and she's starting to be
a singer, and she'll probably be in like she'll definitely
be in some movies soon.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I think you're gonna have to let this beef go.
I'm just like, it's hard because we do we do
love to love a Nepo baby like Brooklyn Beckham is
like the boy of our hearts forever and ever.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
At Brooklyn Beckham, she.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Hasn't got that level of Child'll just say that I
need her to go and try it's on photography. I
need her to be unaware of the situation around her.
That's I think she's too aware, yeah, or we need
her to just be like unhinged like Dakota Johnson, Yes,
or like tell wild stories like a Kate Hudson, Like
we just need That's all we want from NEPO babies
is them to.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Have your stick to fine a stick.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, And then we can talk about her her stick
according to you, as being a beautiful bully. Yes, actually
with beautiful bullies. Her mum has been vack him. Gwyneth
Paltrow has been back in the headlines again. So on
a pod the other day that you were not here
for very sadly, we were talking about her new big
Vogue cover and she and the journalist and this is
the first time she talked about the book Gwyneth Paltrow
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that was written without her consent by author Amy O'Dell,
and she and the journalist are basically laughing about how
terrible it was in this Vogue cover story and what
a terrible writer Amy was, and how she had missed
all the big moments. And then recently on her substack
and podcast, Amy O'Dell talked about how surprised she was
that Gwyneth had devoted such a huge portion of her
(25:55):
Vogue story to talking about Amy, and she basically said
she proved her point, but she did all this on it.
This is true.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
She did prove a point.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, she did prove a point. Amy's like everything I
wrote about her in the book she proved by the
way she acted in that article. But Amy had this
conversation on her podcast when she was interviewing Linus carp
and Joseph Martin. Do you know those names? No, they
are the stars and creators of the play Gwyneth Goes Skiing.
Oh yeah, do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So, oh my god, Gwyneth Goes Skiing needs to come
to Australia. I'm so desperate to see it.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I want to do a really on review of it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, please invite us to the premiere. We're your
biggest fans. So that is just remember how that man
tried to That man who's not even important tried to
sue Gwyneth Paltrow for a skiing accident, and instead of
just paying him out and moving on with her life,
she went she was like, I'm going to court to
counter sue you for a dollar. And she went to court,
and the tapes from that court room are still the
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wildest thing I mosteen lines. Gwyneth comes in like ice cold,
dressed beautifully every day.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
She speaks cream jumper and glasses.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
All those looks sold out, all her care room looks
was selling out, and people started dressing like people started
dressing and saying like, I'm Gwynneth Paltrow court room like
that's my new style. And the wildest thing about that
whole trial that was made public is that halfway through
the trial, the man who was suing her, his lawyer
like turns for Gwyneth Paltrow. Do remember that.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
We were watching it live.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
When I was watching that like soap opera, all of
a sudden, she's like chatting away and she's like asking
how tall she is, and she says and she's like
we're the same high hahh. She's like I really love
your shoes, and Gwenna's like thanks. I was like, sorry,
water's happening. That man who's just spent his life savings,
man's just like his life savings trying to take Gwenneth down.
And now even his lawyer is like, I love you, Gwenna.
(27:55):
When it just wins people over, Oh.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
My god, the line I lost a day of skiing. Yes,
go down in history.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And then and so it was all ruled in Gwenna's favor. Yeah,
because I think they did find emails where he had
been emailing his daughters that he because he was like,
I didn't know what was going to Paltrow. I would
sue anyone who hit me. I'm not trying to get
money out of her. And I do believe they uncovered
emails and he had sent to his children, who I
do believe have disowned him.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Gwyneth Paltrow hit me.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He's like, I met Gwyneth Paltrow. I met Gwyneth Paltrow,
and they were like, so you did know it was
Gwyneth Paltrow. And there they asked her what she had suffered,
because he had He said he'd suffered quite a bit
and she had a lot of injury, get a lot
of mental strain, which again we're not making light of,
but like it just it didn't go in his favor.
And then yeah, they asked Gwyneth what she had suffered,
and she said, well, I lost a day of skiing.
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And the worst part of that, and the best part
is that when the judge ruled in Gwyneth Paltrow's favor.
There's no reaction on her face when you watch the video,
there's just nothing. She didn't even stand. She like rises
up and she glides floats away. She floats across the courtroom,
and then she leans down and whispers in that man's ear,
I wish you well, and then she floats out of
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the courtroom. It's the most chilling thing, like no horror
movie has ever compared. And then from that this plague
Gwyneth GRoWES skin, which is an adaptation of the whole
great idea. So good. The riots and creators teamed up
with Amy Odell for a podcast just to discuss Gwyneth,
and it's great and they're just like everything she does
is like what we've.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Said, Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So that's where the family's really going through it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I may think they're okay. Chris Bums just like just
trying to like go through his own breakup. And then
he accidentally outs a couple at his concert, which like.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Can you guys chill out trying to music.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's just trying to be a serious musician, being crazy.
But remember that colplay concert couple, the couple that got
caught on the Dumbo Tron. They both came out saying
that they were absolutely not dating Chris, but it's come
out so like her marriage broke up. I think his
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marriage is already broken up. But it came out that
they weren't dating, but they were at the same company.
They will do work at the same company, so they
both lost their jobs.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
This has been like huge, A lot of emotions fly
when at a concert. Yeah, they just had a bit
of a cuddle.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I know. Now, Chris Martin, that's what He's forever linked
to that, and Gwyneth Paltrow is forever linked to skiing.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And Apple Martin's forever link to be Bully.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I know. So it's crazy. I mean, give this family
a documentary, yes, and also I want to how.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
About we start our own play about the whole family.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, who do you want to play?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh? Not Apple, I'll be Moses.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Moses. I feel like I've Chris Martin energy. I'm just
like you can be the CEO the situation. I know. Look,
it's just a crazy amalgamations of events for this very
famous family. And in the midst of it all is
brad Fulcheck, who is one of Paltrow's husband everyone who
read the book, who read the book for her so
(30:55):
that she wouldn't have to, And he was the one
that said Amy Odell's a bad writer. And when asked
about it, Amy O'Dell said, look, it's really hard to
sell non fiction books at the moment. People aren't really
buying them as much anymore. So as Brad Foulchek is
reading my book and she kind of infer that she
thinks and I also read it. She's like, if Brad
felt Check is reading my books, and I'm just going
to call that a win.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
But he's just going to read a book that someone's
written about you, you're to read it?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well, yeah, well that's why she had her husband do it.
I love that she just like ordered him. He's like
this big Hollywood producer and she was like, I order
you to read this book for me.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It was like I skimmed it. I'm like, you read
every single word and you've memorized it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
What a time. So anyway, Aahule Martin about to be
our next big star.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, getting feelings, but well this means we keep talking
about her.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
Make sure you follow us on socials, We're on TikTok
and Instagram, at The Spill Podcast, and we will see
you tomorrow at six am for a weekend watch.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Bye bye,
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