April 10, 2025 • 25 mins
On the show day, the dramatic finale of The White Lotus might still be playing in our minds but those crazy scenes are nothing compared to what’s happening to the cast in real life.
And Tom Hanks has always been one of the most beloved actors in Hollywood, along with his famous children. But now his daughter has published a book about their history and a series of secrets have come to life.
Plus, Elton John and Madonna have been locked in an intense feud for years, but now it has seemingly come to an end. But there’s another way this should have gone down.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this
spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Can I yay Emily?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, but she's already insulted me twice and we've only
been sitting together for five minutes. But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I have a lot to say.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Everything's as it should be coming up on the show today.
So many juicy feuds that we have to talk through episodes.
It's a feud episode, so one that we're going to
touch in just a moment. But then we're going to
get into a bit of a tell all book that
has been published about one of Hollywood's most famous and
beloved families. But don't believe the headlines because the story
behind the scenes is quite different. And then two of
(01:02):
the biggest names in entertainment history, in music history are
having a feud and that's not the story, because Emily
has some notes for how the few has unfolded in
the public.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But first, but first, we've covered the White Loaders quite
a bit on this podcast. All seasons, and stay tuned
because we do have a broodly honest review of this
last season coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But I wanted to dedicate a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
To a certain person on this season, and I'm talking
about the new it girl. It's like my new boyfriend.
I have a new boyfriend. And it's not one of
the Beatles. It's not one of the men playing the Beatles.
It is fifty three year old receiving hairline Walton Goggins.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Okay, so here's my question about this. Did you start
developing this intense feeling, in this intense crush as you're
watching him on the White LOADUS or did it happen
when you saw all the fan edits and all the
thirsty photos and how the girls on the internet made
him seem more attractive.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It actually started a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh okay, Oh, she's not like.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The idea og walgs. It started when I saw him
in full.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well what do you just have knows when he's like
a pretty much as zombie. He's great in that though.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I think it's like the roles he plays.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
He's just got like so intense.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Intense angry.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, I'm back this with.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it kind of comes across in his interviews as well,
like he's done so many interviews about the show and
the characters he plays, and this is also the interviews
he did after Fallout, but more specifically, he's talked a
lot about his first wife, who tragically passed away, and
he talked about how he has like this deep connection
to the character he plays on White Lotus Rick because
(02:49):
he actually went to Thailand to kind of find himself
after dealing with that tragedy, and he speaks so honestly
about that. And also in the beginning, he hasn't recently,
which is really confusing to me. But in the beginning,
when the season was first kicking off, he would talk
so much about his love interests on the show Amy
Lee Wood, Yes, and she would talk about him as well,
(03:10):
and you could just see it was one of those
situations where I call it the Sidney Sweeney effect, where
you see these two people out in public together and
you can see how much love they have for each other,
and you kind of developed this parasocial relationship with their
relationship with each other, and then it feels like they're
not doing that anymore. And I don't know if that's
because the show is ended or if something's happened. I
(03:33):
feel like since season two of The White Loaders, where
there were a lot of behind the scenes dramas and
we did see a lot of rumors about casts like
cooking up with each other, and there were some relationships
that were made during that season, like Megan Fahi and
Lea Woodhull. I think a lot of us are leaning
into that same narrative because it has been like a
lot of drama in this season as well.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, exactly, So you think they're feuding behind the scenes, I.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Think it's something worse than feuding.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh what do you think? I think that was a
scandal between Amy Lou Wood and Walter Goggan.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think something happened between them romantically.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Why wi, you're still talking from book.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Because it is a rumor allegedly allegedly allegedly.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay, do you want me to take you through white
people think they're feuding and then you can tell me
what you think happened behind the scenes with a big
caveat on.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Can we not say the word feuding? Can we say scandal?
I feel like that's sure.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Okay, So the scandal, so Amilywood and Walter Goggans, who
played Chelsea and Rick on the show, sort of did
become the fan favorites because people really like fantasize around
their relationship and like everyone's like they're like the Romeo
and Juliet of modern times and all this sort of stuff.
And so they did follow each other when they started filming,
and they did follow each other when the show was
first rolling out, but people have noticed they've now unfollowed
(04:48):
each other, which, as we always say, is quite the statement,
because you could just mute someone if you didn't want
to see their stuff, or you could just keep following
them and just like go with the kind of public
discourse around it, because people must know that as soon
as you unfollow. There's apps that tell you when celebrities
unfollow each other, especially when you're of that status exactly,
especially in the two weeks that the finale is unrolling
(05:09):
and they're doing all this press and the cast is
traveling and there are events together. So Amy lou Wood
and Walter Goggans also posted a whole bunch of tributes
to their Instagram pages, and they didn't tag each other,
but they tagged the other, They tagged all the other
cast members. They didn't say nice things about each other. So,
like Walter Gongguans wrote on his like series of images,
thank you Amy Lou for being my partner a journey
(05:31):
I will never forget. But what's the other interesting thing
is that it kind of looks like maybe Walter Goggins
has like blocked Amy Lou Wood.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I think he's blocked her because all of her comments
on his posts have disappeared.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Which is what happens when you block them.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, but all of.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
His comments on her posts are still there. And Okay,
so everyone loves him as a person because he is
like overly like gushy about the women in his life.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I think if you look at.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
This with the knowing of the potential scandal, yeah, and
you're looking through that lens, it almost seems like he's
apologizing for something. Like if you look at his wife's posts,
like every post of hers recent post has him just
commenting I love you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
To his wife. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Interesting. Also, so they had this big finale watching party.
The cast was together. They were doing press, so you
saw them all hugging on the red carpet, and Walter
Goggins was one of the few cast members who wasn't there,
and Amy Lee Woods said at the event that she
was really sad. She's like, I'm sad Walton wasn't here
because this is something we did together and we should
celebrate it together. But then she said, oh, this is
just so fucking Rick and Chelsea. She's like, of course
(06:39):
Walton had to go and watch it alone and be
by himself, and I had to be in a room
full of people. We're just really being our characters, which
is a really good answer because it's really centered people
back on the characters and not on them. But the
other reason people think that they're feuding is because Jason Isaacs,
who plays Timothy Ratliffe on the show, who's been so
merry vocals, he's been so messy this whole season. He
(06:59):
was the one who was moved.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
On from Mikey Madison.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was like saying that, you know,
there's a different standard for men and women that he
had to apologize for that, and then he was saying
he would never talk about using a prosthetic peace, but
he forgot to tell his on screen children because they
went ahead and like confirmed what prosthetics were us and
all this sort of stuff. But then he was also
asked about filming, and every other person has said like, oh,
it was such an amazing experience. We had a great time together.
(07:23):
We traveled together, we did this and that, and Jason
was like, you know, friendships were made and friendships were lost.
It was such a trying I'm like, sir, you didn't
have to say it.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You're just talking to a report on away car based.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For two seconds. You could have just said we had
a great time and shuffled along the line.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Oh my god, that reporters had their career.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh my god. He just living for the drama.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I finally escaped the Harry Potter escafe.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He's like, this is what I've been meant.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He only knows how to be a villain after being
a Harry Potter villain for so long, so he's doing
that behind the scenes. He said the cast dynamics were
really difficult. It was just so different to what everyone
else is saying.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I was like, unprompted, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
He's like, literally asked me anything and I'll tell you.
I'll give you names. And so then as soon as
he said that, it was like this red flag went
up to the White Lotus fandom and ever was like, well,
who's feuding? And that's when they started deep diving on
like who's following you who? And who's saying what? And
that's when this whole Amy Lou and Walton and stuff
came out.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Okay, I still don't think it's a feud. I think
something happened and he's trying to make a man.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Just whisper and tell me what you think happened. I
think they looked up, do you really?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
But now I think, like now he's over compensating because
he's saying how much he loves his wife publicly.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And do you think he blocked her because he breaked out.
He didn't want to say anything.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And she's like young and single, so it's like she's
not in the wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, well I hope that's not what happened. But if
it did, justice for Amy Lou.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
If it did, he didn't hear from me.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
She didn't hear it here. You know what always prevents
things from escalating is just whispering never gets shit. So
a new book is being released in the next week
and if you heard the title, which is lovely, it's
called The Ten a Memoir of family and the open Road.
And it's about a daughter who goes on this six
month road trip interstate on like the Interstate ten Highway,
(09:06):
which is why the book's called that, from Ela to Florida,
where her mum's family has once lived, and her mum
had died many years ago, so she's like gone back
through her diaries and she's trying to piece together who
her mother was and her life and this haunted past
she had. And the writer has worked for Vanity Fair
and a lot of other publications, so you know, you know,
the memoir is going to be really beautifully written. Why
(09:26):
this is the main headlines is that it's Elizabeth Hanks, who
is the only daughter of Tom Hanks.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He has a daughter.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay that was never hit in. I just needed to
know that.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I thought it was just Colin and chet.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
No, no, no, okay. So Hank's family history, which I
weirdly know so much about. So Tom Hanks and his
first wife, Susan Dillingham met when they were both students
at the Sacramento State University studying theater back in the seventies.
They very quickly fell in love and they had two children.
So Elizabeth Ann and so that's why her pen name
is E. A. Hanks for her writing. So Elizabeth Ann
(10:00):
and Colin Hanks. Colin Hanks you know right, yes, yes,
because he's in an actor for a really long time.
I first came across Colin Hanks in my tween years
because he was on a really important show called Roswell,
which between the ages of twelve and thirteen was my
entire life and personality. And he's been acting ever since,
really steadily, whereas Elizabeth been more behind the scenes as
(10:20):
a writer and working media and things like that. So
it's probably why you don't know her. That's okay, she
did try to stay out of the spotlight.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay. So Colin is Chet's half brother.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yes, so getting onto your favorite family of us. So,
Susan and Tom divorced not long after Colin was born,
so they weren't, you know, a few years after, so
they parented separately, and then not long after that he
met Rita Wilson. They got married and they had Truman
and Chester Hanks ex Truman. Truman is the other Hank's brother.
Oh god, for someone who's successed with this family, you
(10:51):
only know Chet Hank's full name, Chester.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I'm pretty bad. Yes, So so what's going on
with Truman?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, not a lot, so we can leave. We don't
have time for Truman until he writes a book or
stars on a hit TV show written by Mindy Kayling.
We don't, which is not having a lot of space
for him to So excerpts of this book have come out,
and why people have really picked up on it is
because it's told this backstory to the Hanks family and
Tom Hanks in particular, that most people were never aware
(11:19):
of and so in the book. So there's a few
excerpts like chapters and stuff that are floating around now
that have been published on places like People before the
book comes out officially. Elizabeth Hanks writes about her upbringing.
She talks about the fact that once her parents separated,
she didn't see her dad very often except for like
the occasional visit because he was away working, and that
she and Colin lived with her mother, who she thinks
(11:41):
now had bipolar But she writes in the chapters that
have been released about her mum being like really difficult
and overly emotional and not taking care of them properly,
letting the house fall into disarray until it was filled
with rubbish and dogs and in some cases getting violent
with the kids. And she writes in there about one
day Tom Hank's coming to pick his kids up from
school and the school saying like, we haven't seen those
(12:01):
kids in weeks, and him having to go and track
them down and find them and all these sorts of things,
and then in seventh grade her moving back in with
her father and trying to like have him take them
out of this violent situation. And then what happened in
the years after that, And so Susan passed away a
couple of years ago now from cancer, and Elizabeth has
(12:22):
made the decision to kind of put all their family
history into this book and put it out there, which
has kind of put them the spotlight back onto Tom
Hanks because this is like quite a famous family in Hollywood,
and people have always seen them as like Tom Hanks
has this incredible relationship with his kids and they're this,
you know, really close knit family. And Rita Wilson has
like raised Elizabeth and Colin has her own and they
(12:43):
on the red Carpets together. Up until recently, Chet Hanks
has been the only issue with that family with all
of his dramas of like talking to Jamaican accent on
red carpets and posting wild videos and some allegations about
like being abusive towards his partner and all those sorts
of things. And even though nothing in this book like
alludes in any way to Tom Hanks doing anything, it's
(13:03):
more so that it's put their whole family history into
the spotlight.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, it's always a case with those like celebrity adjacent memory, right,
Like because we could read the whole memoir and we haven't,
but Tom Hanks could be in like one tiny chapter
and that will be the only chapter that everyone focuses on.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Similar to Jeannette.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
McCurdy and so deeply about her relationship with her mother,
and like the one thing that everyone was honing in
on was her relationship with Ariana Grande. Yeah, and like
Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I was just about to say, with Britney Spears and
Justin Timla, there was so much in that book. And
obviously the Justin Timlake stuff was really intense and awful.
But it's just like you see another celebrity name and
it's like a red flag and then there's been a
lot of talk around the fact that has she done
this against her family? Is she trying to ruin her father,
Tom Hanks's career in this like perfect kind of family
because you know he's like the good guy of Holland. Yeah,
(13:51):
he's the one that if.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
His one who like protects Rita very loudly.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Oh have you seen that video?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I didn't know his worse to get that loud.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I know where paparazzi chasing them through the streets. It's
really intense.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think it was like during the time when he
was playing like mister Rochester.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Also, why are twenty paparazzi violently chasing Tom Hanks and
Rita Wilson and like reaching the New York Like what
are they hoping to get? Like they're out of dinner
side tangent and then like.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They can't run that fast?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What are you going to do with those photos? Married
couple goes to dinner. Who's going to click on that?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Tom Hanks a lot?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So they knock read it to the ground and Tom
Hanks's swearing and justified.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, I can see where the chat comes out. You're
obsessed with Janks, crazytic.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So what Elizabeth has said about this is that her
dad really supported her writing a book. So this is
not like a scandalous family tell all. It hasn't been
done again.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
It's just every media Alan has refused to publish that
little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, exactly where she has said, like, my dad is
really supportive of storytelling and sharing the truth and my
writing career, and so he's really on board and has
read the whole book. So interesting to see when it
comes out, but I think it's the world's biggest fan
now of the Hanks family, at least part of it.
You'll have to you have to pre order.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So a few days ago, I saw an Instagram post
on Madonna's Instagram and it was a photo of her
and Elton John looking very cute together at the backstage
of SNL.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I love SNL.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's brought up every entire personality.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I don't know, but the caption is something that I
feel like everyone's just been focusing on.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's a very long caption. She took a page out
of your book.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
If anyone who doesn't know Emily thinks that my Instagram
captions are embarrassing because it's so long, it's.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Long when you have to tap read more, don't do.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'm telling a story, I'm setting a scene.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
God, Okay, you and Madonna have so much in common
the first time I've heard that, So I'm going to
read it out.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We finally buried the hatchet.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Also, each word is capitalized three exclamation marks.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I went to see at Elton John perform on SNL
this weekend. Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I remembered when I was in high school. I snuck
out of the house one night to see Elton perform
in Detroit. It was unforgettable performance that helped me understand
the transformative power of music. Seeing him perform when I
was in high school change the course of my life.
She loves talk about high scho I had always felt
like an outsider growing up, and watching him on stage
helped me understand that it was okay to be different,
(16:16):
to stand out, to take the road less travel by.
In fact, it was essential over the decades. It hurt
me to know that someone I admired so much shared
his dislike of me publicly as an artist. I didn't
understand it, mind you this photo of them smiling. Actually,
I was told Elton John was the musical guest on
(16:36):
SNL and I.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Decided to go.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I needed to go backstage and confront him.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
When I met him, the.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
First thing out of his mouth was forgive me, and
the wall between us fell down. Forgiveness is a powerful tool.
Within minutes, we were hugging. Then he told me he
had written a song for me and he wanted to collaborate.
It was like everything came full circle and you can
tell everybody this is your song. So there was a
comment on this from Elton John, very long comment. You
(17:04):
would have loved it at Madonna. Thank you for coming
to see me at Esena, and thank you for forgiving
me and my big mouth. I'm not proud of what
I said, particularly when I think about all the groundbreaking
work you have done as an artist, paving the way
for an entire generation of female artists to succeed and
be true to themselves. You were also one of the
(17:25):
very first people to rise up against HIV and AIDS
in the eighties, bringing love and compassion to so many
who desperately needed it. I'm grateful we can move forward.
Pray emoji, rocketship emoji. I'm increasingly distressed by all the
divisiveness in our world at the moment, but you and
I have wholeheartedly been accepted and embraced by communities who
are under threat around the world. By pulling together, I'm
(17:46):
hopeful we can make great things happen for those who
really need support and have a lot of fun doing it.
So a lot of people, me included, immediately went to Google.
I searched Madonna Elton John feud question mark, and then
because I used to work in search engine optimization, yeah,
I was interested to see how many other people were
(18:08):
doing this, and I saw that that search term had
an increase in search traffic by one hundred and sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So I don't think a lot of people knew about.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
This feud, but there was a big feud and it's
been going over for like two decades.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Firstly, it's only Elton John, So it was just Elton
John pretty much shitting on Madonna and Madonna just taking
the heat.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's because Madonna's had too many other feuds she's had
to be involved in over the years. Courtney Love massive feud,
Lady Gaga massive feud, even some stuff with Britney Spears
and Christina Aguilera.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Just that's just a very shoulder Just Lady Gaga comes
up in this. Yeah, Okay, great, Okay, so maybe this
is going to be like an ongoing series of her
because remember when I said in the beginning, we finally.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Bury the hatchet all in caps. Yeah, maybe that's like
a title.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So now she's going to post a photo with Lady Gaga,
we now bury that she's never forgiving her.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So I went in a bit of a deep dive,
like I guess the rest of the world to see
what happened. And it started.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
In the early two thousand, Madonna released a song for
the James Bond film Diana other Day, famous famous song,
and he said it was the worst bon tune ever. Then,
in two thousand and four, at the Qure Awards, which
was a British music awards that aren't operating anymore, he
questioned Madonna's nomination for Best Live Act and he said,
(19:20):
since when has lip syncing been live?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And this was like while he was accepting his award.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, that's really the biggest burn you can make against
another artist.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And then Australia gets brought into it. So in twenty twelve,
he did an interview with famous Australian reporter and close
friend of his, Molly Meldrim, and he was talking about Madonna,
and he said she's such a nightmare. Her career is
over and she looks like a fucking fairground stripper. She's
been she's been horrible to Gaga.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Okay, I'm not well. He and Lady Gaga are very close.
Isn't she like one of the godmother of his children
and something like that? So I think it's more of
a personal few than a professional few.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's right.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And then that's I feel like everything that's out there
and these are all allegedly except that they're in writing,
so not really allegedly.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's all allegedly at all. That's on the record.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The funny thing to me is that Madonna, Nils and
John have been around for a really really long time. Yeah,
this is not how you feud as a celebrity an okay,
And what saddens me about this whole situation it's not
that they ever did feud. I enjoy the feud, but
was that right now? When celebrities feud, it's more like
kind of in the shadows, like behind the scenes, and
(20:30):
they leave it up to us to kind of guess
and put the pizzas together, like Walton Goggins and Amy
who would yes.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And with them.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
They just told us like, that's too much information. I
don't need to know that much about your life.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
No, I'm sorry. This is so much better. This is
a classic old school old Hollywood feud where you fight
through the press and you say iconic lines and then
you bring it to award shows and you bring it
to interviews and you make it part of like the culture.
You know what I mean, all of this in the
background sending little tips to do moir and stuff. No,
it's not true like icon behavior.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Can I tell you what I think they should have done?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, do you have notes for them?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I have like a full like criteria of how to
step by step on what they should have done. So
I think it's fine for Elton John to not like Madonna.
I think it gives us something to talk about. But
I think we should have been the ones to kind
of guess what happened. So I think Elton John should
have gone on Graham Norton because you know, on Graham
Norton there's like a couch of celebrities, like a drinking
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They get a bit lose on the couch is also
Kevin Hart. Okay, so Ian McKellen and Olivia Coleman.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Is this just because they're a fun time or they
integral to the story.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I think the combination of the three plus Graham Norton
could have gotten it out of Elton John Okay, Like
Kevin I would be like, come on, man, tell us
hues that never really escalate, but people think that they try.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
To make it fun.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And Ian McKellen, because he's so old, he's like, just
tell me, don't tell me right now, I don't care.
And Olivia Coleman will be like, I don't know who
these people are, but I'm here for.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
A good time.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Exactly doesn't know anyone anyone, So I think they would
have gotten out that, Like Elton John would have admitted
that there is a famous pop star in the eighties
that he doesn't like, and everyone's gonna be like ooh,
And that's when everyone on Reddit will be like, I
think he's talking about Madonna. And then Madonna goes on
call her daddy okay, and she's like, there's this man
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who's like so so famous, she just absolutely hates me.
And I can't say who it is because he's so
famous and so powerful, but.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's just really rude.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And we share like the same fans we like come
from like similar communities, and it's just I hate him
and it's going really really badly, and everyone's like, ah,
it's response to the Elton John thing. And then Madonna
releases a song called rocket Girl, and then Elton John
releases a song called material Man.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I'm really intense fan fiction land.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Bow, and then I sold this part from Taylor Swift
Kay Perry. And then Madonna posts on her Snapchat she's
like in dance rehearsals for her upcoming concert and she posts, look.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At this beautiful gift.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I got from Elton John, and it's this massive fuck
off Olive branch. And then they can still post the
photo on Instagram. They still post that same photo, but
instead of your like five page caption, it's just one
little white heart.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And then everyone's like oh.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And then we all just like put all the pieces
together because that's our job, not their job to tell us.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's what we're here for.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
As much as I enjoy that roll out and I
enjoy that fan fiction, and well, we think, as you're
right about it, yeah, please do, I.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Mean your head of entertainment, so you give me that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I can definitely agree. Read that me going to the
content meeting, being like, so Emily's writing a fictionalized version
of this celebrity feud, even though there's a real feud
out there, but her version is better, much better, we
can call if you want to keep going to Tailor's
s liifting like mcdonnan and Elton's feud Emily's version, which
she's completely different to that. Look, I'm not against your
role out plan, but I just think there's a lot
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of new waves of celebrities that do it like that.
And the point of like these really old school celebrities
like you have, people said, we don't really have celebrities anymore.
You don't have like celebrities who are just a celebrity
because of their name. You have like people who come
come in and out of fame, but they're not like
their name doesn't like open a movie, or their their
name isn't like a business. That's because they don't feud
like the old school celebrities like Elton and Madonna.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
When I woke up this morning, we bury the hatchet.
I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, I think maybe because people had lost interest in
the feud. Also, she's like trying to bring it back,
she remember me, remember this. I don't know, like Gaga
was about to tour again, she might say something shady
about Madonna. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I don't put that in my story.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, okay, I'll put a little later. I could be
like the sequel. But it's like the lady guy what
she's saying, because she's super close to Elton John and
then Madonna has been just rubbishing her her whole career,
So I wonder what she thought looking at that. You know,
like your one of your friends is nice to someone
who's been mean to you, and they're like, oh, I'm
just trying to like, you know, southe it over and
you're like, can you just have my bath?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I was Lady Gaga, I'd be texting Elton going what
was that about?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I bet she did.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I love how this whole episode of US just like
rewriting feuds.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Very little fine time.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.
Make sure you tune in tomorrow for our brutally honest
review of The Why LOADUS Season three, We unpacking all
the drama plus the biggest moments in the whole season.
The bill is produced by Ned Green with sound production
by Scott Stronik, And we'll be back here in your
podcast feed tomorrow morning for a weekend watch.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Bye bye,
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this
spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Can I yay Emily?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, but she's already insulted me twice and we've only
been sitting together for five minutes. But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I have a lot to say.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Everything's as it should be coming up on the show today.
So many juicy feuds that we have to talk through episodes.
It's a feud episode, so one that we're going to
touch in just a moment. But then we're going to
get into a bit of a tell all book that
has been published about one of Hollywood's most famous and
beloved families. But don't believe the headlines because the story
behind the scenes is quite different. And then two of
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the biggest names in entertainment history, in music history are
having a feud and that's not the story, because Emily
has some notes for how the few has unfolded in
the public.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But first, but first, we've covered the White Loaders quite
a bit on this podcast. All seasons, and stay tuned
because we do have a broodly honest review of this
last season coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But I wanted to dedicate a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
To a certain person on this season, and I'm talking
about the new it girl. It's like my new boyfriend.
I have a new boyfriend. And it's not one of
the Beatles. It's not one of the men playing the Beatles.
It is fifty three year old receiving hairline Walton Goggins.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Okay, so here's my question about this. Did you start
developing this intense feeling, in this intense crush as you're
watching him on the White LOADUS or did it happen
when you saw all the fan edits and all the
thirsty photos and how the girls on the internet made
him seem more attractive.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It actually started a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh okay, Oh, she's not like.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The idea og walgs. It started when I saw him
in full.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well what do you just have knows when he's like
a pretty much as zombie. He's great in that though.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I think it's like the roles he plays.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
He's just got like so intense.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Intense angry.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, I'm back this with.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it kind of comes across in his interviews as well,
like he's done so many interviews about the show and
the characters he plays, and this is also the interviews
he did after Fallout, but more specifically, he's talked a
lot about his first wife, who tragically passed away, and
he talked about how he has like this deep connection
to the character he plays on White Lotus Rick because
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he actually went to Thailand to kind of find himself
after dealing with that tragedy, and he speaks so honestly
about that. And also in the beginning, he hasn't recently,
which is really confusing to me. But in the beginning,
when the season was first kicking off, he would talk
so much about his love interests on the show Amy
Lee Wood, Yes, and she would talk about him as well,
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and you could just see it was one of those
situations where I call it the Sidney Sweeney effect, where
you see these two people out in public together and
you can see how much love they have for each other,
and you kind of developed this parasocial relationship with their
relationship with each other, and then it feels like they're
not doing that anymore. And I don't know if that's
because the show is ended or if something's happened. I
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feel like since season two of The White Loaders, where
there were a lot of behind the scenes dramas and
we did see a lot of rumors about casts like
cooking up with each other, and there were some relationships
that were made during that season, like Megan Fahi and
Lea Woodhull. I think a lot of us are leaning
into that same narrative because it has been like a
lot of drama in this season as well.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, exactly, So you think they're feuding behind the scenes, I.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Think it's something worse than feuding.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh what do you think? I think that was a
scandal between Amy Lou Wood and Walter Goggan.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think something happened between them romantically.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Why wi, you're still talking from book.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Because it is a rumor allegedly allegedly allegedly.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay, do you want me to take you through white
people think they're feuding and then you can tell me
what you think happened behind the scenes with a big
caveat on.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Can we not say the word feuding? Can we say scandal?
I feel like that's sure.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Okay, So the scandal, so Amilywood and Walter Goggans, who
played Chelsea and Rick on the show, sort of did
become the fan favorites because people really like fantasize around
their relationship and like everyone's like they're like the Romeo
and Juliet of modern times and all this sort of stuff.
And so they did follow each other when they started filming,
and they did follow each other when the show was
first rolling out, but people have noticed they've now unfollowed
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each other, which, as we always say, is quite the statement,
because you could just mute someone if you didn't want
to see their stuff, or you could just keep following
them and just like go with the kind of public
discourse around it, because people must know that as soon
as you unfollow. There's apps that tell you when celebrities
unfollow each other, especially when you're of that status exactly,
especially in the two weeks that the finale is unrolling
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and they're doing all this press and the cast is
traveling and there are events together. So Amy lou Wood
and Walter Goggans also posted a whole bunch of tributes
to their Instagram pages, and they didn't tag each other,
but they tagged the other, They tagged all the other
cast members. They didn't say nice things about each other. So,
like Walter Gongguans wrote on his like series of images,
thank you Amy Lou for being my partner a journey
(05:31):
I will never forget. But what's the other interesting thing
is that it kind of looks like maybe Walter Goggins
has like blocked Amy Lou Wood.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I think he's blocked her because all of her comments
on his posts have disappeared.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Which is what happens when you block them.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, but all of.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
His comments on her posts are still there. And Okay,
so everyone loves him as a person because he is
like overly like gushy about the women in his life.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I think if you look at.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
This with the knowing of the potential scandal, yeah, and
you're looking through that lens, it almost seems like he's
apologizing for something. Like if you look at his wife's posts,
like every post of hers recent post has him just
commenting I love you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
To his wife. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Interesting. Also, so they had this big finale watching party.
The cast was together. They were doing press, so you
saw them all hugging on the red carpet, and Walter
Goggins was one of the few cast members who wasn't there,
and Amy Lee Woods said at the event that she
was really sad. She's like, I'm sad Walton wasn't here
because this is something we did together and we should
celebrate it together. But then she said, oh, this is
just so fucking Rick and Chelsea. She's like, of course
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Walton had to go and watch it alone and be
by himself, and I had to be in a room
full of people. We're just really being our characters, which
is a really good answer because it's really centered people
back on the characters and not on them. But the
other reason people think that they're feuding is because Jason Isaacs,
who plays Timothy Ratliffe on the show, who's been so
merry vocals, he's been so messy this whole season. He
(06:59):
was the one who was moved.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
On from Mikey Madison.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was like saying that, you know,
there's a different standard for men and women that he
had to apologize for that, and then he was saying
he would never talk about using a prosthetic peace, but
he forgot to tell his on screen children because they
went ahead and like confirmed what prosthetics were us and
all this sort of stuff. But then he was also
asked about filming, and every other person has said like, oh,
it was such an amazing experience. We had a great time together.
(07:23):
We traveled together, we did this and that, and Jason
was like, you know, friendships were made and friendships were lost.
It was such a trying I'm like, sir, you didn't
have to say it.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You're just talking to a report on away car based.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For two seconds. You could have just said we had
a great time and shuffled along the line.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Oh my god, that reporters had their career.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh my god. He just living for the drama.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I finally escaped the Harry Potter escafe.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He's like, this is what I've been meant.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He only knows how to be a villain after being
a Harry Potter villain for so long, so he's doing
that behind the scenes. He said the cast dynamics were
really difficult. It was just so different to what everyone
else is saying.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I was like, unprompted, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
He's like, literally asked me anything and I'll tell you.
I'll give you names. And so then as soon as
he said that, it was like this red flag went
up to the White Lotus fandom and ever was like, well,
who's feuding? And that's when they started deep diving on
like who's following you who? And who's saying what? And
that's when this whole Amy Lou and Walton and stuff
came out.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Okay, I still don't think it's a feud. I think
something happened and he's trying to make a man.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Just whisper and tell me what you think happened. I
think they looked up, do you really?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
But now I think, like now he's over compensating because
he's saying how much he loves his wife publicly.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And do you think he blocked her because he breaked out.
He didn't want to say anything.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And she's like young and single, so it's like she's
not in the wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, well I hope that's not what happened. But if
it did, justice for Amy Lou.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
If it did, he didn't hear from me.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
She didn't hear it here. You know what always prevents
things from escalating is just whispering never gets shit. So
a new book is being released in the next week
and if you heard the title, which is lovely, it's
called The Ten a Memoir of family and the open Road.
And it's about a daughter who goes on this six
month road trip interstate on like the Interstate ten Highway,
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which is why the book's called that, from Ela to Florida,
where her mum's family has once lived, and her mum
had died many years ago, so she's like gone back
through her diaries and she's trying to piece together who
her mother was and her life and this haunted past
she had. And the writer has worked for Vanity Fair
and a lot of other publications, so you know, you know,
the memoir is going to be really beautifully written. Why
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this is the main headlines is that it's Elizabeth Hanks, who
is the only daughter of Tom Hanks.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He has a daughter.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay that was never hit in. I just needed to
know that.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I thought it was just Colin and chet.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
No, no, no, okay. So Hank's family history, which I
weirdly know so much about. So Tom Hanks and his
first wife, Susan Dillingham met when they were both students
at the Sacramento State University studying theater back in the seventies.
They very quickly fell in love and they had two children.
So Elizabeth Ann and so that's why her pen name
is E. A. Hanks for her writing. So Elizabeth Ann
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and Colin Hanks. Colin Hanks you know right, yes, yes,
because he's in an actor for a really long time.
I first came across Colin Hanks in my tween years
because he was on a really important show called Roswell,
which between the ages of twelve and thirteen was my
entire life and personality. And he's been acting ever since,
really steadily, whereas Elizabeth been more behind the scenes as
(10:20):
a writer and working media and things like that. So
it's probably why you don't know her. That's okay, she
did try to stay out of the spotlight.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay. So Colin is Chet's half brother.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yes, so getting onto your favorite family of us. So,
Susan and Tom divorced not long after Colin was born,
so they weren't, you know, a few years after, so
they parented separately, and then not long after that he
met Rita Wilson. They got married and they had Truman
and Chester Hanks ex Truman. Truman is the other Hank's brother.
Oh god, for someone who's successed with this family, you
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only know Chet Hank's full name, Chester.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I'm pretty bad. Yes, So so what's going on
with Truman?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, not a lot, so we can leave. We don't
have time for Truman until he writes a book or
stars on a hit TV show written by Mindy Kayling.
We don't, which is not having a lot of space
for him to So excerpts of this book have come out,
and why people have really picked up on it is
because it's told this backstory to the Hanks family and
Tom Hanks in particular, that most people were never aware
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of and so in the book. So there's a few
excerpts like chapters and stuff that are floating around now
that have been published on places like People before the
book comes out officially. Elizabeth Hanks writes about her upbringing.
She talks about the fact that once her parents separated,
she didn't see her dad very often except for like
the occasional visit because he was away working, and that
she and Colin lived with her mother, who she thinks
(11:41):
now had bipolar But she writes in the chapters that
have been released about her mum being like really difficult
and overly emotional and not taking care of them properly,
letting the house fall into disarray until it was filled
with rubbish and dogs and in some cases getting violent
with the kids. And she writes in there about one
day Tom Hank's coming to pick his kids up from
school and the school saying like, we haven't seen those
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kids in weeks, and him having to go and track
them down and find them and all these sorts of things,
and then in seventh grade her moving back in with
her father and trying to like have him take them
out of this violent situation. And then what happened in
the years after that, And so Susan passed away a
couple of years ago now from cancer, and Elizabeth has
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made the decision to kind of put all their family
history into this book and put it out there, which
has kind of put them the spotlight back onto Tom
Hanks because this is like quite a famous family in Hollywood,
and people have always seen them as like Tom Hanks
has this incredible relationship with his kids and they're this,
you know, really close knit family. And Rita Wilson has
like raised Elizabeth and Colin has her own and they
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on the red Carpets together. Up until recently, Chet Hanks
has been the only issue with that family with all
of his dramas of like talking to Jamaican accent on
red carpets and posting wild videos and some allegations about
like being abusive towards his partner and all those sorts
of things. And even though nothing in this book like
alludes in any way to Tom Hanks doing anything, it's
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more so that it's put their whole family history into
the spotlight.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, it's always a case with those like celebrity adjacent memory, right,
Like because we could read the whole memoir and we haven't,
but Tom Hanks could be in like one tiny chapter
and that will be the only chapter that everyone focuses on.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Similar to Jeannette.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
McCurdy and so deeply about her relationship with her mother,
and like the one thing that everyone was honing in
on was her relationship with Ariana Grande. Yeah, and like
Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I was just about to say, with Britney Spears and
Justin Timla, there was so much in that book. And
obviously the Justin Timlake stuff was really intense and awful.
But it's just like you see another celebrity name and
it's like a red flag and then there's been a
lot of talk around the fact that has she done
this against her family? Is she trying to ruin her father,
Tom Hanks's career in this like perfect kind of family
because you know he's like the good guy of Holland. Yeah,
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he's the one that if.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
His one who like protects Rita very loudly.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Oh have you seen that video?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I didn't know his worse to get that loud.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I know where paparazzi chasing them through the streets. It's
really intense.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think it was like during the time when he
was playing like mister Rochester.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Also, why are twenty paparazzi violently chasing Tom Hanks and
Rita Wilson and like reaching the New York Like what
are they hoping to get? Like they're out of dinner
side tangent and then like.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They can't run that fast?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What are you going to do with those photos? Married
couple goes to dinner. Who's going to click on that?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Tom Hanks a lot?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So they knock read it to the ground and Tom
Hanks's swearing and justified.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, I can see where the chat comes out. You're
obsessed with Janks, crazytic.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So what Elizabeth has said about this is that her
dad really supported her writing a book. So this is
not like a scandalous family tell all. It hasn't been
done again.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
It's just every media Alan has refused to publish that
little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, exactly where she has said, like, my dad is
really supportive of storytelling and sharing the truth and my
writing career, and so he's really on board and has
read the whole book. So interesting to see when it
comes out, but I think it's the world's biggest fan
now of the Hanks family, at least part of it.
You'll have to you have to pre order.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So a few days ago, I saw an Instagram post
on Madonna's Instagram and it was a photo of her
and Elton John looking very cute together at the backstage
of SNL.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I love SNL.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's brought up every entire personality.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I don't know, but the caption is something that I
feel like everyone's just been focusing on.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's a very long caption. She took a page out
of your book.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
If anyone who doesn't know Emily thinks that my Instagram
captions are embarrassing because it's so long, it's.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Long when you have to tap read more, don't do.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'm telling a story, I'm setting a scene.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
God, Okay, you and Madonna have so much in common
the first time I've heard that, So I'm going to
read it out.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We finally buried the hatchet.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Also, each word is capitalized three exclamation marks.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I went to see at Elton John perform on SNL
this weekend. Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I remembered when I was in high school. I snuck
out of the house one night to see Elton perform
in Detroit. It was unforgettable performance that helped me understand
the transformative power of music. Seeing him perform when I
was in high school change the course of my life.
She loves talk about high scho I had always felt
like an outsider growing up, and watching him on stage
helped me understand that it was okay to be different,
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to stand out, to take the road less travel by.
In fact, it was essential over the decades. It hurt
me to know that someone I admired so much shared
his dislike of me publicly as an artist. I didn't
understand it, mind you this photo of them smiling. Actually,
I was told Elton John was the musical guest on
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SNL and I.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Decided to go.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I needed to go backstage and confront him.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
When I met him, the.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
First thing out of his mouth was forgive me, and
the wall between us fell down. Forgiveness is a powerful tool.
Within minutes, we were hugging. Then he told me he
had written a song for me and he wanted to collaborate.
It was like everything came full circle and you can
tell everybody this is your song. So there was a
comment on this from Elton John, very long comment. You
(17:04):
would have loved it at Madonna. Thank you for coming
to see me at Esena, and thank you for forgiving
me and my big mouth. I'm not proud of what
I said, particularly when I think about all the groundbreaking
work you have done as an artist, paving the way
for an entire generation of female artists to succeed and
be true to themselves. You were also one of the
(17:25):
very first people to rise up against HIV and AIDS
in the eighties, bringing love and compassion to so many
who desperately needed it. I'm grateful we can move forward.
Pray emoji, rocketship emoji. I'm increasingly distressed by all the
divisiveness in our world at the moment, but you and
I have wholeheartedly been accepted and embraced by communities who
are under threat around the world. By pulling together, I'm
(17:46):
hopeful we can make great things happen for those who
really need support and have a lot of fun doing it.
So a lot of people, me included, immediately went to Google.
I searched Madonna Elton John feud question mark, and then
because I used to work in search engine optimization, yeah,
I was interested to see how many other people were
(18:08):
doing this, and I saw that that search term had
an increase in search traffic by one hundred and sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So I don't think a lot of people knew about.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
This feud, but there was a big feud and it's
been going over for like two decades.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Firstly, it's only Elton John, So it was just Elton
John pretty much shitting on Madonna and Madonna just taking
the heat.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's because Madonna's had too many other feuds she's had
to be involved in over the years. Courtney Love massive feud,
Lady Gaga massive feud, even some stuff with Britney Spears
and Christina Aguilera.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Just that's just a very shoulder Just Lady Gaga comes
up in this. Yeah, Okay, great, Okay, so maybe this
is going to be like an ongoing series of her
because remember when I said in the beginning, we finally.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Bury the hatchet all in caps. Yeah, maybe that's like
a title.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So now she's going to post a photo with Lady Gaga,
we now bury that she's never forgiving her.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So I went in a bit of a deep dive,
like I guess the rest of the world to see
what happened. And it started.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
In the early two thousand, Madonna released a song for
the James Bond film Diana other Day, famous famous song,
and he said it was the worst bon tune ever. Then,
in two thousand and four, at the Qure Awards, which
was a British music awards that aren't operating anymore, he
questioned Madonna's nomination for Best Live Act and he said,
(19:20):
since when has lip syncing been live?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And this was like while he was accepting his award.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, that's really the biggest burn you can make against
another artist.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And then Australia gets brought into it. So in twenty twelve,
he did an interview with famous Australian reporter and close
friend of his, Molly Meldrim, and he was talking about Madonna,
and he said she's such a nightmare. Her career is
over and she looks like a fucking fairground stripper. She's
been she's been horrible to Gaga.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Okay, I'm not well. He and Lady Gaga are very close.
Isn't she like one of the godmother of his children
and something like that? So I think it's more of
a personal few than a professional few.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's right.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And then that's I feel like everything that's out there
and these are all allegedly except that they're in writing,
so not really allegedly.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's all allegedly at all. That's on the record.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The funny thing to me is that Madonna, Nils and
John have been around for a really really long time. Yeah,
this is not how you feud as a celebrity an okay,
And what saddens me about this whole situation it's not
that they ever did feud. I enjoy the feud, but
was that right now? When celebrities feud, it's more like
kind of in the shadows, like behind the scenes, and
(20:30):
they leave it up to us to kind of guess
and put the pizzas together, like Walton Goggins and Amy
who would yes.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And with them.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
They just told us like, that's too much information. I
don't need to know that much about your life.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
No, I'm sorry. This is so much better. This is
a classic old school old Hollywood feud where you fight
through the press and you say iconic lines and then
you bring it to award shows and you bring it
to interviews and you make it part of like the culture.
You know what I mean, all of this in the
background sending little tips to do moir and stuff. No,
it's not true like icon behavior.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Can I tell you what I think they should have done?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, do you have notes for them?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I have like a full like criteria of how to
step by step on what they should have done. So
I think it's fine for Elton John to not like Madonna.
I think it gives us something to talk about. But
I think we should have been the ones to kind
of guess what happened. So I think Elton John should
have gone on Graham Norton because you know, on Graham
Norton there's like a couch of celebrities, like a drinking
(21:28):
They get a bit lose on the couch is also
Kevin Hart. Okay, so Ian McKellen and Olivia Coleman.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Is this just because they're a fun time or they
integral to the story.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I think the combination of the three plus Graham Norton
could have gotten it out of Elton John Okay, Like
Kevin I would be like, come on, man, tell us
hues that never really escalate, but people think that they try.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
To make it fun.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And Ian McKellen, because he's so old, he's like, just
tell me, don't tell me right now, I don't care.
And Olivia Coleman will be like, I don't know who
these people are, but I'm here for.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
A good time.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Exactly doesn't know anyone anyone, So I think they would
have gotten out that, Like Elton John would have admitted
that there is a famous pop star in the eighties
that he doesn't like, and everyone's gonna be like ooh,
And that's when everyone on Reddit will be like, I
think he's talking about Madonna. And then Madonna goes on
call her daddy okay, and she's like, there's this man
(22:20):
who's like so so famous, she just absolutely hates me.
And I can't say who it is because he's so
famous and so powerful, but.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's just really rude.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And we share like the same fans we like come
from like similar communities, and it's just I hate him
and it's going really really badly, and everyone's like, ah,
it's response to the Elton John thing. And then Madonna
releases a song called rocket Girl, and then Elton John
releases a song called material Man.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I'm really intense fan fiction land.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Bow, and then I sold this part from Taylor Swift
Kay Perry. And then Madonna posts on her Snapchat she's
like in dance rehearsals for her upcoming concert and she posts, look.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At this beautiful gift.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I got from Elton John, and it's this massive fuck
off Olive branch. And then they can still post the
photo on Instagram. They still post that same photo, but
instead of your like five page caption, it's just one
little white heart.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And then everyone's like oh.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And then we all just like put all the pieces
together because that's our job, not their job to tell us.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's what we're here for.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
As much as I enjoy that roll out and I
enjoy that fan fiction, and well, we think, as you're
right about it, yeah, please do, I.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Mean your head of entertainment, so you give me that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I can definitely agree. Read that me going to the
content meeting, being like, so Emily's writing a fictionalized version
of this celebrity feud, even though there's a real feud
out there, but her version is better, much better, we
can call if you want to keep going to Tailor's
s liifting like mcdonnan and Elton's feud Emily's version, which
she's completely different to that. Look, I'm not against your
role out plan, but I just think there's a lot
(23:51):
of new waves of celebrities that do it like that.
And the point of like these really old school celebrities
like you have, people said, we don't really have celebrities anymore.
You don't have like celebrities who are just a celebrity
because of their name. You have like people who come
come in and out of fame, but they're not like
their name doesn't like open a movie, or their their
name isn't like a business. That's because they don't feud
like the old school celebrities like Elton and Madonna.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
When I woke up this morning, we bury the hatchet.
I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, I think maybe because people had lost interest in
the feud. Also, she's like trying to bring it back,
she remember me, remember this. I don't know, like Gaga
was about to tour again, she might say something shady
about Madonna. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I don't put that in my story.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, okay, I'll put a little later. I could be
like the sequel. But it's like the lady guy what
she's saying, because she's super close to Elton John and
then Madonna has been just rubbishing her her whole career,
So I wonder what she thought looking at that. You know,
like your one of your friends is nice to someone
who's been mean to you, and they're like, oh, I'm
just trying to like, you know, southe it over and
you're like, can you just have my bath?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I was Lady Gaga, I'd be texting Elton going what
was that about?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I bet she did.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I love how this whole episode of US just like
rewriting feuds.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Very little fine time.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.
Make sure you tune in tomorrow for our brutally honest
review of The Why LOADUS Season three, We unpacking all
the drama plus the biggest moments in the whole season.
The bill is produced by Ned Green with sound production
by Scott Stronik, And we'll be back here in your
podcast feed tomorrow morning for a weekend watch.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Bye bye,
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