October 14, 2025 • 33 mins
Everyone is losing their minds over the new Bridgerton announcement (fair enough, we are too), but let's not forget about the Stranger Things final season update that just came our way.
Plus, Netflix has announced the true crime inspiration and cast list for the next season of Ryan Murphy’s Monster anthology series, and it all has a surprise link to Hollywood’s most enduring love story.
And after dropping a few telling hints, Kylie Jenner released a surprise video that links to the era that made her truly famous, and it’s upset more than a few people.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm Cassnula Kitch and coming up on the
show today, we officially know what Ryan Murphy's next season
(00:35):
of Monster on Netflix. That's his series where he chronicles
different real life monsters like serial killers through time. We
officially know what this next season is going to be about.
And the fact that he's cast a NEPO baby who
is part of huge Hollywood law as the lead actress.
We're going to get into that. Plus, Kylie Jenner has
released a surprising new video on Snapchat of all platforms.
(00:56):
It's kind of hearkening back to her most famous era.
There's been a lot of backlash around it. We're going
to get into that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But first, so in some more streaming news.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We have all been very, very excited about the new
Bridgeton season, but I feel like not everyone has been
talking about the new season of Stranger Things season five,
which we are finally getting. So if you don't remember
Season four actually aired back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Two, so it's been like three years.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
We have all been waiting very patiently to see what's
going to happen to the Vecna and the upside Down,
and we finally have some details. So it's going to
be in three parts we're going to get Volume one
will be four episodes that drops on November twenty six,
twenty twenty five. Volume two is three episodes that's going
to be out on Christmas Day this year, and the
(01:45):
series finale will air on Newyear's Eve. Now, the big
story around all of this is the length of the episodes.
That seems to be the biggest story of it all.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yes, because the Duffer brothers who created the show, because
they've had many many years to tease fans with what's
coming up and sort of get people's excitement really heightened.
One of the things they kept alluding to fans is
that this last season was going to have these potential
like feature length movie episode or at least the fact
that the episodes would be longer than we've seen before.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, so I think a lot of people were thinking
they were going to be around that ninety minute mark,
which is what like a kid's movie would be that's
kind of at that ninety minute mark. Most movies are
around that two to three hour mark. The first four
episodes look like they're going to be from fifty four
to eighty three minutes, so between an hour and an
hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, for a TV episode. That's actually quite wild timing
like that, each episode nearly being a movie length. So
they haven't made good on that promise, especially now considering
most episodes of TV shows that come out are around
the thirty minute mark, some even the twenty five minute mark,
so it's almost doubled it, which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Well, back when you used to have ads, a sitcom
was twenty two minutes plus ads. That is the length
of a sitcom, right, So that was your standard length
of a series episode, And now with Netflix and streaming,
we don't have that anymore, so people have a lot
more flexibility with how long they can make things.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
We don't know how long the remaining.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Two episodes will be at this point, we'll probably see
the finale being more around that two hour mark.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, I'd say they'd be even longer like that to
be a huge amount of story to close out.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, So basically they wrapped this filming back at the
end of twenty twenty four after a full year of production.
What the story is going to be focusing on is
it's set in the autumn of nineteen eighty seven, off
the back of season four's events. It's been so long,
I kind of completely forgot about it. But so they're
basically still sort of worrying about what's happened in the
(03:38):
Riffs and what's happening in Upside Down, and they're finally
needing to go back and finally defeat the Vechner, finally
sort of conquer evil once and for all.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I mean, because that was a really like horrific
last episode of that last season, because we had Max
be kind of like swept up into like Vecna's world
and she was still in hospital, and there was like
a lot of question marks so whether she would survive,
Like we know Sadie thinks in this next season, we
don't know what's going to happen to her. And then
that final shot was of them all standing and looking
out as like the upside Down came into their world,
(04:09):
and so that was also a huge thing. They've also
alluded to the fact that like a lot of the
main characters aren't going to survive this final season.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So here's my issue with this. I love this series.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
When it first came out in twenty sixteen, I thoroughly
enjoyed it. I really really liked the show meally. Bobby
Brown has obviously gone on to do some incredible things.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
We love her.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
My issue with this is with the first season in
twenty sixteen. Season two was twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
A year later.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That's fine, Season three twenty nineteen, Season four twenty twenty two,
and now they're getting the final season in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It's too long. It's too long.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I mean, I can't, like I have let that part
of my life go, Like my attention span is not
good enough to wait this long. I will watch it
because I do like the show, and I think it's
a good series.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But for three years we've been waiting.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It's dropped off out of a lot of people's heads
by now.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, I think there's a few people who might
have to maybe rewatch the last episode, but I don't
think it's gone out of people's heads at all. I
think that, like one, they would never not make this
last season. It's such a huge, huge money maker for Netflix.
It's one of their most watched shows of all time,
and I'm sure like this final episode will break all
kinds of records. But also like people would write in
the streets if they didn't get the ending to this series.
(05:23):
So I think it'll be huge. Yes, it would have
been better earlier, but I think that there was so
much they said, there was a lot of production issues
behind the scenes in terms of like it was such
a huge storyline to film. We've also had writers strikes
and actors strikes in that time, which I think pushed
it a little bit further. So yeah, probably would have
been more momentum to have maybe even a two year break,
But I still think it'll be huge.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You can't keep using COVID as a excuse any.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I didn't think about actually that too well.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think that's probably what delayed productions for season four.
I just it was such a moment when it first came.
I feel like it was one of Netflix's first big
created shows that they created in house. It brought us
back Winona Rider, it brought us merely Bobby Brown, it
brought us all of those kids, it brought us eleven
actually went as eleven to Halloween one year.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's very cute.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I actually made like a really cute perse out of
Eggos container.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was cute. I'll have to but that was so
long ago.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I don't dress upretty well. But yeah, look, it
will be airing later on this year. I will be
watching it, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Just sad that it's taken so long to get to
this point, Nana.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So Ryan Murphy's hit series Monsters on Netflix, this has
obviously been huge.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We started off with the Jeffrey Dharma series.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
We then had the Menendez Brothers, and the most recent
one has been the Ed Guns Story with Charlie Hunnam.
So the next series that we're going to be getting
is the story of Lizzie Borden.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The series is now in pre production. We've got a
cast list.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I'm going to get into that in a little bit,
but i want to just give people a little bit
of an insight into his case. If you haven't heard
of it, or if you're not like a true crime person,
you're not a massive true crime person, but you know
this story.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I feel like Lizzie Borden in particular has become
like such a huge part of pop culture. She's become
like one of those costumes that you can just like dresses,
the girl holding an axe. Everyone knows that you're being
Lizzie born in And I did watch the one that
Christina Richie was in the Lizzy Borden Chronicles. And there
was also that twenty eighteen feature film that had Chloe
seven Year and Christian Stewart, two of my favorite actresses.
(07:23):
So I watched that. So I'm very across the Lizzie
board in law.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yes, So in case you don't know, I did actually
just recently, very coincidentally listen to a whole podcast episode
on this particular case. So it takes based in eighteen
ninety two in Massachusetts with with my favorite American state
to say, because I just really feel like it is
a fun word. So on the morning fourth of August,
there was a brutal attack in the Boorden house and
Lizzie's father Andrew and stepmother Abbey were killed with a
(07:47):
hatchet not an axe.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I know there is a big difference, Laura.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay, well I don't really want to be killed by
either one.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
No, I know.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So the hatchet is a small axe, and apparently this
is like one of the big Sometimes true crime people
get very like particular about this particular point in the
case because it's a hatchet, not an axe anyway. Now,
the other reason why this story was so crazy is
because she was actually put on trial for this particular
murder and acquitted, and the real murderer was never found.
(08:16):
Now most people believe that it was in fact her,
But a lot of the reasoning behind her not being
convicted was because back in the eighteen nineties, it was
not believed that a woman could commit this level of
heinous violence if they killed a women killed with poison.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know how like pop culture takes, stories and costumes
kind of dilute things and the way things are talked about.
So she's always depicted sometimes as being like a little girl,
like a teenage So she was thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Two, Jesus, but she was always single.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And again back in that era, at thirty two, to
be unmarried.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You know what's a wonder thing.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
They didn't depict her in history as like an old hag.
If she was thirty two and unmarried. She died a lot,
but she'd never never married. She was died of pneumonia.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
But the other really interesting part.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Of this case is the house itself in Massachusetts, which
actually still stands today.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's a bed and breakfast and you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Can go and sleep in the room room where her
stepmother died, which is Greenvil would be lining up. They
apparently it's very interesting and you can go on like
historical tours in there.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
The reason why the house is so popular is because
it's very unusual. So all of the the house is
a very strange layout, so you have to like walk
through bedrooms to get to the kitchen, and every single
door had a lock on it and a different key,
and so I think there was sort of speculation that
Andrew the father was really really abusive and it was
(09:42):
a weird house. There's stuff going on in there that
was very very strange. So this is what the new
season of Monsters is going to be on, which I'm
actually very excited because this case particularly, I think there's
a lot of room to add that sort of creative
license because there's still so much mystery surrounding it. And
I think that because it was so long ago, that
(10:05):
morality around highlighting victims and sort of taking advance victims
isn't really there anymore because it was in the eighteen nineties. Yeah,
so I am really excited for this particular story.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And the first time there's been a female led story
in this Monster franchise, which is interesting and it's I
think it's interesting they picked this instead of some of
the more like hardcore serial killer yeah, war Knock or something,
you know, they did something. I think this has a
little bit more mystery to it, and I think it'll
be more interesting as a story because of the mystery
(10:39):
behind it. And for a lot of people, this might
be the first time they're hearing about her.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, I think it is for a lot of people.
I think in the States it's a lot more well known.
I think in Australia maybe not as well known.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The casting, Yes, so it was just been announced this
week that Ella Beatty is going to be playing Lizzie.
So her first role was in another Ryan Murphy series,
Capodi Versus the Swans, which told the story of Truman
Compodi and all the women in New York society that
he eventually took down and the fraught relationship. So that
was Ella's first role and she's been cast as Lizzie.
It's kind of very on the nose casting from Ryan
(11:12):
Murphy because he loves to blow the line between like
crime and Hollywood and reality and all these things. He
loves to cast a nepo baby like an Emma Roberts
or I guess she's a nepo niece in that way,
or someone who's really adjacent to fame, like a Kinkardashian
or something like that, or someone who American, yes, Lady
Daga like he loves to bring in like iconic actress
(11:33):
like Chloe seven Year, someone who's like very cool. And
so he's cast Elebaty enough, anyone's on across who Elabedy is.
She is the youngest child of Annette Benning and Warren Beatty,
who have one of the most famous relationships and marriages
in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yes, so, I mean Warren Beatty is kind of one
of those people in my mind where I know he's
a big Hollywood star.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I was looking at his IMDBA.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's not someone who's like I've seen a lot of
his movies because most of the movies that he made
were before my time. But obviously a very famous man
in Hollywood, writer, director, producer, He's been a real fixture.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's in a late eighties now, so Yeah, he's in
the game for a long time. He was one of
those very like old school iconic Hollywood stars and at
Betting's obviously still acting quite a bit now and has
also been a lot of iconic movies. I guess even
like American Beauty people would know her from. But she's
done other stuff. That's just the one. I'm like, she
should have got that Oscar. So their story has become
very infamous in Hollywood, and it's almost become like a
(12:31):
shorthand for when a woman tames like a wild man.
If you ever hear anyone saying anyone say, oh, she
pulled in a net betting, or you have to say
one of your friends like, you probably shouldn't pull at
a net betting. It's this idea that a woman can
change a man, that she can tame his wild ways
simply by making him fall in love with her, as
Annette Betting did.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So he's like the original Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, well even more intense than that. So Warren
and Nan it's a big manhole. Yeah, it's so funny
because I've been looking up stuff about them after this
casting news, and so my TikTok algorithm ever has like
picked that up? And I heard one like girl at
A twenty say like, does everyone know that Warren Beatties
the biggest slut in Hollywood? And I was like, well,
that is one way to put it. So they got
married in nineteen ninety two. They have four children together.
(13:16):
They met when he was doing casting for this movie Bugsy,
and he called her up and brought her in for
lunch so they could talk about the movie and the
story he always yeah, well, apparently they did have lunch.
The story was that as soon as they left lunch,
he went back to his office, called his manager and said,
I'm going to marry this woman. I'm giving her the
lead in the movie, but I'm also going to marry her.
(13:37):
And he said that he fell in love with her
in like less than ten.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Minutes when we met.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
This is in the early nineties, Okay, okay, in the
early nineties. Important to note that at the time he
was fifty three and she was thirty two. They'd been
married since nineteen ninety two, so they've had a very
strong marriage. But some people like, was he just tired?
Is that how you catch a man? Because Warren Batty
was known as the most infamous, kind of like boyfriend
lover of Hollywood. So he had a lot of famous girlfriends.
(14:03):
He dated Diane Keaton for many years.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well I was gonna say, I did say that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, the thing like them is they dated from I
think it was nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty six,
so they were together for a while, but they also
remained very good friends throughout their lives. She did man, yeah,
she had again. Diane Keaton had it going on. She
could pull any man she wanted. He also dated Bridget Bardou,
Carlie Simon, Chare, Joan Collins, Madonna, She Barbara streisand like,
(14:31):
and they're just a lot of the girlfriends because they
were famous that we know about him. He dated a
lot of them. And it was always this thing of like,
who was Warren Batty going to come? I'm talking about
like I was there. I wasn't born yet, but I've
read a lot about it that it was always yeah,
part of my soul I just wasn't born yet, but
part of my soul was there at the time. It
was always this big thing of like, who was he
going to turn up to a red carpet with? Who
is his latest girlfriend? And the thing is, like the
(14:53):
story in Hollywood was like, no one can marry Warren Batty,
no one can nail him down, no one can sort
of capture him into a marriage. He's the ultimate bachelor.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's a wild stud. Yeah, no one can put a
saddle on him.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Exactly. That was the thing. So there's even been the
story which he's ever said it's true. But he's also,
to my knowledge, never disputed it that he has slept
with over twelve thousand women. The biographer who wrote a
book about Warren Batty, he said that he went through
and calculated, like from when Warren Batty said he first
started dating till he was in his mid fifties and
he married and met betting how many women he sort
(15:28):
of estimated he hooked up with, and how many women
he was know and took go up with. And he
said it was actually closer to twelve thousand, seven hundred
and seventy five. So that is the amount of women
that Warren Batty is said to have slept with.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't want to slut shame him, but that's too many.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
From him like being a lad about town. I'm sure
it was multiple women a week, sometimes even a different
woman every day. Iki, it was a different time too,
So no, I don't think anyone really said anything about
him being fifty three and her being thirty two, so
where that kind of seemed like the norm. But since
then they've had I mean, I don't know, there's never
been any kind of reports of like cheating or anything
(16:03):
in the marriage. Like it's like he was this notorious
Hollywood bad boy until the age of fifty three when
he walked into a restaurant saw Anette Betting, fell madly
in love with her and has been like by her
side ever since. What a man talks about the fact
that she changed his life and his life is so
much all these things that like when you're dating a
guy who you know won't commit that you want to
(16:24):
hear that you'll be the one to change him. He'll
change his ways for you. He just hadn't met the
right girl. Yes, all these things, and she's like things
I always tell my friends because weirdly and it, Betting
comes off in a lot in my friend's conversations in dating.
I'm always like, she's the exception, not the rule. I'm
not going to happen to Most people.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Don't look at this and go, this is what's going
to happen most of the time. They're not going to change.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, so it's very rare that someone would pull it
in at betting, as the saying goes, But yes, they're
still together and still very much in love, and Ella
is their youngest daughter. And the fact that yes, and
she's going to play Lizzie Borden is how we've got
to that. So I think everyone should have that in
mind when they're watching. And the thing is, apparently she
(17:05):
is going to be like the new hot young actual
of Hollywood. Like after she does Lizzie, there's a bunch
of other projects that she's apparently doing, so she's kind
of the next new actress nepo baby on the Riot,
And I just thought everyone needed to be a cross
where she came from. It's she literally came from.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Great story also in the cast, even though I know
we've found a big, sort of roundabout way to go
back to this, but I'm so glad that you told
that story because it's so great. But playing Andrew, the
one who Lizzie Boughten allegedly killed, is actually Charlie Hunham again,
So Charlie just played at guyne So he's coming back
to the series, but this time is the victim.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Not that well, as we know, Ryan Murphy loves to
have like his troop of actors like he did it
with American Horror Story, he did it with American Crime Story.
He loves to have his troop of actors that he've
recast into different roles. I like Charlie Hanum. I don't
know how many people his datas slept with. That makes
me less interested in him, but I'm sure he's fing
to be fine.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I think he slept with his fair share of women
as well. Maybe not twelve thousand. That seems like a
really high number to keep up with. Maybe Leo would
be up there, Yes, maybe I would say Leo's up there.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, I can't wait for that tell all.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So we don't have an air date yet. It is
in pre production at the moment. But super excited to
see this one come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I'm yeah, really really excited. Bana Nana.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So this week, Kylie Jenner made everyone do a little
bit of a double take online when she teased that
she had a big announcement coming. That's pretty par for
the course with the Katashians, they always have something rolling out.
It was the fact that she told people that to
see the announcement they had to go to Snapchat.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
This is insane, the fact that she's got so much
pool that she can take someone back to a social
media platform that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Has basically mooched. Now that TikTok is around.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I know some people still use Snapchat. I personally don't.
I need a youth see. And then a lot of
them have moved to TikTok and instance don't have it
as much. I don't think I ever had Snapchat. I
had to go download it for the first time to
watch this video. Even though I know that Kylie eventually
put on her Instagram. I wanted to watch it in
the spirit that she had intended, which was Snapchat, and
I produced. Someone thought I was doing it to Snapchat boys,
(19:07):
and I just don't know if that's the kind of
thing anyone should be doing.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I feel like the boys on there will be like
twelve yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Which is upsetting it up. No. No, I know a
few of my friends who like met guys on dating
apps or and they'll be like, send me a Snapchat.
I'm like, that means he doesn't. It means he's going
to cheat on you, or he just wants nudes.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I I remember sat Chat when it first came out.
I used it very briefly because it was like the
disappearing thing.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Then I stopped using it, even when everyone was using it.
I just like couldn't. I was too many social media platforms.
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Kylie Jenner herself also has gone off Snapchat in recent years,
using Instagram and TikTok more. But for a while there
it was her platform of choice, and it was kind
of during the height of this like new level of
fame that she found for herself in the mid twenty tens,
when she broke away from the Kardashian Jenna family in
(19:57):
a way, or at least in the way that they
all looked and operated start their fame. Yeah, exactly, the
way they all dressed, the way they all did their makeup,
the way that they all had this very set plan
of how they did launchers and how they did products. Kylie,
being the youngest the family, broke away and started posting
more to different platforms, particularly Snapchat, and she went by
the name King Kylie, which a lot of people said
(20:20):
was inspired by her then boyfriend Tiger.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, and I think that this particular era is right
for her, and in terms of her being a bit
of like the black shape of the family. I mean,
Rob's the black shape of the family, but out of
the girls, she was always a little bit more alternatives.
This is the era of the dip dyed blue hair.
This is the era of the wigs, the heavy makeup,
the lip liner. This is black leather and you know,
(20:44):
tight and a bit more sort of punk rocker kind of.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It was at the time when the Kudashing girls and
even like Kendall Jenner to an extent, were doing more
of the kind of like almost like princessy bandage dress,
really high glam look. And then Kylie Jenner, who had
always been kind of like seen as like, I guess,
the less pretty one of the sisters. Yeah, like she
and Chloe used to get a lot of backlash and
people saying like Kendall's this beautiful model and Kylie's non
(21:09):
It was like kind of like a really nasty time.
I mean, it still has a nasty time on the internet,
but it was then and then Kylie kind of went
sideways and she started posting a lot on different platforms
like Snapchat, and she called herself King Kylie, and her
fans also called her that she would wear a lot
of like wigs, so like pink or platinum blonde, and
then the teal was like a really big thing. So
when she had the full teal hair or just the
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teal streaks through her hair, which is captured in a
very important moment on Keeping Up with the Kardashians when
Kim married Kanye and Florence. I don't know if you
remember that episode, but it was a whole thing one
because they didn't allow their keeping up cameras there, so
it's all just filmed on the family's iPhones. But the
moment they're like about to fly to I think it's Paris.
For the first part of the wedding festivities before they
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went to Italy, Kim and Kanye pulled Kylie aside and
they're like, are you're going to do something to her hair?
Because their whole wedding was like beige and white. There
was no color. It's like it was. Kim's dress was
like white, the bridesmaid's dresses were white, the flowers are white,
the table's white, and then Kylie's got blue hair teal,
but Kim called it blue and she was like, oh yeah,
one hundred percent. I've got pair extensions and I've got
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color spray and I'm going to cover it up. Don't worry.
And on the day of the wedding, when they'd surprise
Flaw and everyone to Florence for the wedding, Kim does
this piece to camera where she sees Kylie come in
in her white bride's maid's dress and it's like, she
has blue hair at my wedding. I'm not going to
say anything, but like is so angry. But that was
like just very Kylie at the time.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
This particular period of Kylie's really ingrained in my brain
because it's the year I started at E and so
obviously keeping up Acushions was E's biggest, biggest show at
the time, So I was very very aware and this
is just so ingrained in my brain as that period
of time and the Kylie Cosmetics launch, you know, in
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twenty fifteen, her lip kits, that was again such a
moment and you know, she just started Kylie Cosmetics just
with these lip kits, which was sold out within minutes.
It's been now over a decade of this brand, and
I think obviously this particular campaign was a hark back
to her roots, and I appreciate that, and I think
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that the nostalgia of it is great. However, the video
has caused a little bit of backlash.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, so the whole thing about putting the video up
is it was like a throwback to this King Kylie era,
where again she got a lot of fame for the
way she looked in her wigs, as you're saying, particularly
for doing these makeup tutorials that were just different to
what the cut Ashians were doing at the time because
she would film them herself. They were very uncurated. She'd
have her friends in the background and she'd show all
her makeup tips. And that's obviously how the lipliner kits
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came to be so wildly successful and how Kylie Cosmetics
was built. Obviously, she did come out later and say
she'd get lip filler, which she at the time was
very staunchly saying, I've never had lip filler. It's just slipliner,
which is why people bought the lips. But you know, yeah,
just the way that.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Really intense Matt Beige is I remember buying it and
putting it on and be like this is so it
looked awful on me, like I didn't have enough plumpness
in my lips. It just like cracked when in all
the cracks of my lips, and.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, I was not look cute on me. And the
amount that she would withdraw them too, Like I guess
she can kind of make it work. It's kind of
thing looks good in a photo or video, but if
you see anyone walking in the real world with their
lips drawn up to like their nose, it doesn't work.
But I mean she does no makeup. She's really good
and she knows how to build a product and build
an audience. Because when she posted that this thing was
gonna have on Snapchat and that the King Kylie era
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was back, like her fan base was going absolutely nuts
for it. And she also posted this old image that
she'd put up on her socials from years ago saying
like what do you want Kylie Cosmetics to make? And
then a lot of the products are taken from fans suggestions.
So this whole thing of her wanting to celebrate this
ten years of Kylie Cosmetics is her being like, I'm
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going back to my roots and I'm going back to
the fans. Yeah, all that sort of thing. So then
we have the video. Yeah, and the video is it
is a very old school King Kylie in terms of
that she's got the tear in her hair, but it's
also brand new Kylie Jenna in fact that she's styled
to look like an old school Hollywood movie star in
a way with the hair and the makeup.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, I appreciate what she's trying to do with it.
I think the backlash of the video comes from the
content of what she's actually doing and some of the images.
So in a lot of the images, she's wearing like
black leather bra panties like pants, she's you know, it's
very sort of sexy dominatrixy.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And she's handcuffed. Yes, And so then she gets walked.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Through a prison in the video, and then Chris Janna
picks her up in a Rolls Royce and they go.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Into the King Kylie number.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
They go off into the sunset.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's very kind of like tongue in cheek and funny.
So this whole thing, she's been arrested, she's in a prison,
she's in the interrogation room again looking like a dominatrix.
Bondage kind of thing, but with the old school king
Kylie hair, and these two men are interrogating her and
kind of almost like listing her achievements.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
So after all this time, you still don't have an alibi.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You understand how that looks?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Right, I'm gonna be frank with you. Although he's Frank,
don't get confused. I'm Frank Frank. There's really no way
hold of this for you got you on multiple counts
and being the baddest bitch on earth slaying twenty four
to seven. It's been an all round impressive young one. Yeah,
not to mention, you completely flipped the entire cosmetics industry on.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's flipped it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Got anything to say for yourself? Any last glossy words
of wisdom mailips her seals this is like so long
grand for her, I love you, okay, very unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And then yeah, then they're seemed to be like handcuffing
her and leading her away, and there's this whole thing
where then you see her walking out in the other
prisoners are like, oh my god, she's leaving, and she
gets in the car, and in the car is like
the Kylie Cosmetics ten year annivers Thary like pictures and
she's putting the lip floss on, so if you watch
it through that lens, it's kind of like quite innocent
and kind of showing her as this like power player like.
And also she runs the business with her mum, Chris Jenma,
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Like they're in the Kylie Cosmetics office working together, so
it's this whole thing of her mum being the getaway
car driver. Some fans have pointed out that they think
it's a little bit tone deaf to be showing this
like young white woman essentially like being in police custody,
being handcuffed and then being able to just escape and
kind of treating it as a very kind of like
sexy fun thing when they're saying, like in the US
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at the moment, like there's a lot of issues with
like prison reform and how prisoners are treated. There's a
lot of issues at the moment which have always been
there but have really escalated at the moment with Donald
Trump being the president in terms of like people who
are seen as being illegal in America being arrested off
the streets by ice and filled into these detention centers
and not having any rides. And they think that Kylie
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is kind of just not reading the room.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think this kind of political climate that we're wearing
at the moment, particularly in the States, the political climate
is very fraud at the moment. Everybody is on ed
and these ice raids that are happening, and people sort
of alleging that this is happening to innocent people, and
the problems there. I think that this should have probably
been taken into account when she filmed this, and unfortunately,
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because she is so incredibly famous and incredibly successful and
so so privileged, it does feel a little bit tone deaf.
I'm sure she did not intend to do that at all.
I do believe she wasn't trying to do that, but
I do think someone on her team probably should have said,
maybe we can rework the creative a bit. It's kind
of reminding me of the Kendall Jenna pepsi ad.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, And I guess that's the thing when you have
like these really high profile especially young women, kind of
put these things out into the world that are meant
to be like a bit sexy and a bit provocative,
it can be looked at through a different lens that
I'm sure them and their bubble didn't think of Again,
I'm not defending it from people who are upset by it,
because I think the thing is, I think if you're
upset by it, it's not because you're upset by Kylie
Jenna or the video. It makes me think of the
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Sydney Sweeney jeans a like, people weren't upset about Sidney
Sweeney and jeans. They were upset about the wider issues
that were happening, yes, and how this linked to that.
And if you're living in that really heightened state where
you're like fearing for your life and family, then pop
culture references will hit you a lot harder because it's
part of your world. Whereas you know, someone like a
Sidney Sweeney or Kylie Jenner, I'm sure this isn't the
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kind of thing they're living within their day to day life,
so they don't think it's a big deal, but I
understand why other people do. But yeah, it is like
the Pepsi commercials. So when Kendall Jenner started in that commercial,
it was almost like her being tapped to be one
of these iconic supermodels because other supermodels had done these
Pepsi commercials like Cidie Crawford.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Samous Pepsi you know, in those little damn shorts and
her white tank top. Pepsi was so iconic in that
era for creating superstars. You know, we've got Britney Spears
did Pepsi, beyond sy did Pepsi, and it feeds off it.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, And I think that's kind of the thread that
people are looking at there. And I don't think this
is going to get the same attention as Kendall Jenner's
Pepsi commercial. Did That came at a time too when
I mean, it's still happening, but like a lot of riots,
a lot of police brutality and allegations of brutality, a
lot of people saying that they didn't feel safe around
police or in the streets and all these kind of things,
and then the idea was that to see a white
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woman just essentially end a riot and walk safely towards
police was kind of making light of the situation. And
obviously later on we saw Kendall Jenner, like, you know,
sobbing on keeping of the Kadashian saying she never meant
to hurt anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And wasn't her idea.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
She's not the one who created the campaign idea, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But it is like, when you're the face of it,
you do take that. I mean, that's what the money
is for.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
But that's exactly right, That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Like, Unfortunately, the creative team who came up with it
and hired her, she wouldn't have had any input on
the creative at that point she was still relatively new.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, but there should have been some.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, So I don't think this is going to block
to the same extent, but I just think that's the
same idea of something on one hand can be seen
as like really provocative and interesting. And also the whole
like jay less thing is an old thing through pop culture,
going back to like the whole kind of Bonnie and Clyde,
like on the run kind of thing of this, yeah,
that prison escape. And also the fact that they're reading
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out all of these things that Kylie's done, and when
she sort of says like, my lips are sealed, they're like,
it's so her, and that's a nod to like her
makeup brand and the product my lips are sealed, all
those kind of things. So like, if you look at
it through that lens, it's very understandable. But yeah, anyone
who was upset by that. I just think that that's
also fair enough, but it hasn't stopped them video from
racking up millions of views on Snapchat, on Instagram pre
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orders for the collection because it's celebrating the ten years
have like allegedly gone wild and I'm sure this will
be like a huge money maker for her, and I
think a lot of her fans want her to go
fully back into the King Kylie era, but she's so
removed from that now. She's going to the Oscars in
like kutua gowns and being a mum of two and
being behind the scenes. And it's kind of so funny
because in the Snapchat video at one point, like she
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seems into it, because I'm sure she was very invested
in the idea, but she also just looks like she's
just phoning it in, which is also very Kylie Jennathy
and how she appears on the Kardashians.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Well, well, Kiglie Cosmetics has kind of gone through a
bit of a rebrand recently.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I think it was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
They went through a rebrand back in twenty nineteen where
she sold abortion of the company became a billionaire. So look,
the brand's gone through a lot of different changes lately,
and I understand why she wanted to do this.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I just think that perhaps in light of the political climate,
it was maybe just a little bit off there. But again,
I don't think it's going to stop her getting those sales.
She's clearly doing very well for herself.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I'm sure we'll see some of this in the
next season of The Kardashians, but they do things very late,
so I'm just going to say, like maybe three years time,
we'll see the making of this commercial and she'll maybe
do a little address to the backlash. Then.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Thanks so much for listening to The Spill today. And
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Speaker 1 (33:00):
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Speaker 3 (33:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm Cassnula Kitch and coming up on the
show today, we officially know what Ryan Murphy's next season
(00:35):
of Monster on Netflix. That's his series where he chronicles
different real life monsters like serial killers through time. We
officially know what this next season is going to be about.
And the fact that he's cast a NEPO baby who
is part of huge Hollywood law as the lead actress.
We're going to get into that. Plus, Kylie Jenner has
released a surprising new video on Snapchat of all platforms.
(00:56):
It's kind of hearkening back to her most famous era.
There's been a lot of backlash around it. We're going
to get into that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But first, so in some more streaming news.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We have all been very, very excited about the new
Bridgeton season, but I feel like not everyone has been
talking about the new season of Stranger Things season five,
which we are finally getting. So if you don't remember
Season four actually aired back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Two, so it's been like three years.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
We have all been waiting very patiently to see what's
going to happen to the Vecna and the upside Down,
and we finally have some details. So it's going to
be in three parts we're going to get Volume one
will be four episodes that drops on November twenty six,
twenty twenty five. Volume two is three episodes that's going
to be out on Christmas Day this year, and the
(01:45):
series finale will air on Newyear's Eve. Now, the big
story around all of this is the length of the episodes.
That seems to be the biggest story of it all.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yes, because the Duffer brothers who created the show, because
they've had many many years to tease fans with what's
coming up and sort of get people's excitement really heightened.
One of the things they kept alluding to fans is
that this last season was going to have these potential
like feature length movie episode or at least the fact
that the episodes would be longer than we've seen before.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, so I think a lot of people were thinking
they were going to be around that ninety minute mark,
which is what like a kid's movie would be that's
kind of at that ninety minute mark. Most movies are
around that two to three hour mark. The first four
episodes look like they're going to be from fifty four
to eighty three minutes, so between an hour and an
hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, for a TV episode. That's actually quite wild timing
like that, each episode nearly being a movie length. So
they haven't made good on that promise, especially now considering
most episodes of TV shows that come out are around
the thirty minute mark, some even the twenty five minute mark,
so it's almost doubled it, which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Well, back when you used to have ads, a sitcom
was twenty two minutes plus ads. That is the length
of a sitcom, right, So that was your standard length
of a series episode, And now with Netflix and streaming,
we don't have that anymore, so people have a lot
more flexibility with how long they can make things.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
We don't know how long the remaining.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Two episodes will be at this point, we'll probably see
the finale being more around that two hour mark.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, I'd say they'd be even longer like that to
be a huge amount of story to close out.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, So basically they wrapped this filming back at the
end of twenty twenty four after a full year of production.
What the story is going to be focusing on is
it's set in the autumn of nineteen eighty seven, off
the back of season four's events. It's been so long,
I kind of completely forgot about it. But so they're
basically still sort of worrying about what's happened in the
(03:38):
Riffs and what's happening in Upside Down, and they're finally
needing to go back and finally defeat the Vechner, finally
sort of conquer evil once and for all.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I mean, because that was a really like horrific
last episode of that last season, because we had Max
be kind of like swept up into like Vecna's world
and she was still in hospital, and there was like
a lot of question marks so whether she would survive,
Like we know Sadie thinks in this next season, we
don't know what's going to happen to her. And then
that final shot was of them all standing and looking
out as like the upside Down came into their world,
(04:09):
and so that was also a huge thing. They've also
alluded to the fact that like a lot of the
main characters aren't going to survive this final season.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So here's my issue with this. I love this series.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
When it first came out in twenty sixteen, I thoroughly
enjoyed it. I really really liked the show meally. Bobby
Brown has obviously gone on to do some incredible things.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
We love her.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
My issue with this is with the first season in
twenty sixteen. Season two was twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
A year later.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That's fine, Season three twenty nineteen, Season four twenty twenty two,
and now they're getting the final season in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It's too long. It's too long.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I mean, I can't, like I have let that part
of my life go, Like my attention span is not
good enough to wait this long. I will watch it
because I do like the show, and I think it's
a good series.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But for three years we've been waiting.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It's dropped off out of a lot of people's heads
by now.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, I think there's a few people who might
have to maybe rewatch the last episode, but I don't
think it's gone out of people's heads at all. I
think that, like one, they would never not make this
last season. It's such a huge, huge money maker for Netflix.
It's one of their most watched shows of all time,
and I'm sure like this final episode will break all
kinds of records. But also like people would write in
the streets if they didn't get the ending to this series.
(05:23):
So I think it'll be huge. Yes, it would have
been better earlier, but I think that there was so
much they said, there was a lot of production issues
behind the scenes in terms of like it was such
a huge storyline to film. We've also had writers strikes
and actors strikes in that time, which I think pushed
it a little bit further. So yeah, probably would have
been more momentum to have maybe even a two year break,
But I still think it'll be huge.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You can't keep using COVID as a excuse any.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I didn't think about actually that too well.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think that's probably what delayed productions for season four.
I just it was such a moment when it first came.
I feel like it was one of Netflix's first big
created shows that they created in house. It brought us
back Winona Rider, it brought us merely Bobby Brown, it
brought us all of those kids, it brought us eleven
actually went as eleven to Halloween one year.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's very cute.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I actually made like a really cute perse out of
Eggos container.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was cute. I'll have to but that was so
long ago.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I don't dress upretty well. But yeah, look, it
will be airing later on this year. I will be
watching it, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Just sad that it's taken so long to get to
this point, Nana.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So Ryan Murphy's hit series Monsters on Netflix, this has
obviously been huge.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We started off with the Jeffrey Dharma series.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
We then had the Menendez Brothers, and the most recent
one has been the Ed Guns Story with Charlie Hunnam.
So the next series that we're going to be getting
is the story of Lizzie Borden.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The series is now in pre production. We've got a
cast list.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I'm going to get into that in a little bit,
but i want to just give people a little bit
of an insight into his case. If you haven't heard
of it, or if you're not like a true crime person,
you're not a massive true crime person, but you know
this story.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I feel like Lizzie Borden in particular has become
like such a huge part of pop culture. She's become
like one of those costumes that you can just like dresses,
the girl holding an axe. Everyone knows that you're being
Lizzie born in And I did watch the one that
Christina Richie was in the Lizzy Borden Chronicles. And there
was also that twenty eighteen feature film that had Chloe
seven Year and Christian Stewart, two of my favorite actresses.
(07:23):
So I watched that. So I'm very across the Lizzie
board in law.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yes, So in case you don't know, I did actually
just recently, very coincidentally listen to a whole podcast episode
on this particular case. So it takes based in eighteen
ninety two in Massachusetts with with my favorite American state
to say, because I just really feel like it is
a fun word. So on the morning fourth of August,
there was a brutal attack in the Boorden house and
Lizzie's father Andrew and stepmother Abbey were killed with a
(07:47):
hatchet not an axe.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I know there is a big difference, Laura.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay, well I don't really want to be killed by
either one.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
No, I know.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So the hatchet is a small axe, and apparently this
is like one of the big Sometimes true crime people
get very like particular about this particular point in the
case because it's a hatchet, not an axe anyway. Now,
the other reason why this story was so crazy is
because she was actually put on trial for this particular
murder and acquitted, and the real murderer was never found.
(08:16):
Now most people believe that it was in fact her,
But a lot of the reasoning behind her not being
convicted was because back in the eighteen nineties, it was
not believed that a woman could commit this level of
heinous violence if they killed a women killed with poison.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know how like pop culture takes, stories and costumes
kind of dilute things and the way things are talked about.
So she's always depicted sometimes as being like a little girl,
like a teenage So she was thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Two, Jesus, but she was always single.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And again back in that era, at thirty two, to
be unmarried.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You know what's a wonder thing.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
They didn't depict her in history as like an old hag.
If she was thirty two and unmarried. She died a lot,
but she'd never never married. She was died of pneumonia.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
But the other really interesting part.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Of this case is the house itself in Massachusetts, which
actually still stands today.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's a bed and breakfast and you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Can go and sleep in the room room where her
stepmother died, which is Greenvil would be lining up. They
apparently it's very interesting and you can go on like
historical tours in there.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
The reason why the house is so popular is because
it's very unusual. So all of the the house is
a very strange layout, so you have to like walk
through bedrooms to get to the kitchen, and every single
door had a lock on it and a different key,
and so I think there was sort of speculation that
Andrew the father was really really abusive and it was
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a weird house. There's stuff going on in there that
was very very strange. So this is what the new
season of Monsters is going to be on, which I'm
actually very excited because this case particularly, I think there's
a lot of room to add that sort of creative
license because there's still so much mystery surrounding it. And
I think that because it was so long ago, that
(10:05):
morality around highlighting victims and sort of taking advance victims
isn't really there anymore because it was in the eighteen nineties. Yeah,
so I am really excited for this particular story.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And the first time there's been a female led story
in this Monster franchise, which is interesting and it's I
think it's interesting they picked this instead of some of
the more like hardcore serial killer yeah, war Knock or something,
you know, they did something. I think this has a
little bit more mystery to it, and I think it'll
be more interesting as a story because of the mystery
(10:39):
behind it. And for a lot of people, this might
be the first time they're hearing about her.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, I think it is for a lot of people.
I think in the States it's a lot more well known.
I think in Australia maybe not as well known.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The casting, Yes, so it was just been announced this
week that Ella Beatty is going to be playing Lizzie.
So her first role was in another Ryan Murphy series,
Capodi Versus the Swans, which told the story of Truman
Compodi and all the women in New York society that
he eventually took down and the fraught relationship. So that
was Ella's first role and she's been cast as Lizzie.
It's kind of very on the nose casting from Ryan
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Murphy because he loves to blow the line between like
crime and Hollywood and reality and all these things. He
loves to cast a nepo baby like an Emma Roberts
or I guess she's a nepo niece in that way,
or someone who's really adjacent to fame, like a Kinkardashian
or something like that, or someone who American, yes, Lady
Daga like he loves to bring in like iconic actress
(11:33):
like Chloe seven Year, someone who's like very cool. And
so he's cast Elebaty enough, anyone's on across who Elabedy is.
She is the youngest child of Annette Benning and Warren Beatty,
who have one of the most famous relationships and marriages
in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yes, so, I mean Warren Beatty is kind of one
of those people in my mind where I know he's
a big Hollywood star.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I was looking at his IMDBA.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's not someone who's like I've seen a lot of
his movies because most of the movies that he made
were before my time. But obviously a very famous man
in Hollywood, writer, director, producer, He's been a real fixture.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's in a late eighties now, so Yeah, he's in
the game for a long time. He was one of
those very like old school iconic Hollywood stars and at
Betting's obviously still acting quite a bit now and has
also been a lot of iconic movies. I guess even
like American Beauty people would know her from. But she's
done other stuff. That's just the one. I'm like, she
should have got that Oscar. So their story has become
very infamous in Hollywood, and it's almost become like a
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shorthand for when a woman tames like a wild man.
If you ever hear anyone saying anyone say, oh, she
pulled in a net betting, or you have to say
one of your friends like, you probably shouldn't pull at
a net betting. It's this idea that a woman can
change a man, that she can tame his wild ways
simply by making him fall in love with her, as
Annette Betting did.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So he's like the original Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, well even more intense than that. So Warren
and Nan it's a big manhole. Yeah, it's so funny
because I've been looking up stuff about them after this
casting news, and so my TikTok algorithm ever has like
picked that up? And I heard one like girl at
A twenty say like, does everyone know that Warren Beatties
the biggest slut in Hollywood? And I was like, well,
that is one way to put it. So they got
married in nineteen ninety two. They have four children together.
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They met when he was doing casting for this movie Bugsy,
and he called her up and brought her in for
lunch so they could talk about the movie and the
story he always yeah, well, apparently they did have lunch.
The story was that as soon as they left lunch,
he went back to his office, called his manager and said,
I'm going to marry this woman. I'm giving her the
lead in the movie, but I'm also going to marry her.
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And he said that he fell in love with her
in like less than ten.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Minutes when we met.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
This is in the early nineties, Okay, okay, in the
early nineties. Important to note that at the time he
was fifty three and she was thirty two. They'd been
married since nineteen ninety two, so they've had a very
strong marriage. But some people like, was he just tired?
Is that how you catch a man? Because Warren Batty
was known as the most infamous, kind of like boyfriend
lover of Hollywood. So he had a lot of famous girlfriends.
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He dated Diane Keaton for many years.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well I was gonna say, I did say that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, the thing like them is they dated from I
think it was nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty six,
so they were together for a while, but they also
remained very good friends throughout their lives. She did man, yeah,
she had again. Diane Keaton had it going on. She
could pull any man she wanted. He also dated Bridget Bardou,
Carlie Simon, Chare, Joan Collins, Madonna, She Barbara streisand like,
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and they're just a lot of the girlfriends because they
were famous that we know about him. He dated a
lot of them. And it was always this thing of like,
who was Warren Batty going to come? I'm talking about
like I was there. I wasn't born yet, but I've
read a lot about it that it was always yeah,
part of my soul I just wasn't born yet, but
part of my soul was there at the time. It
was always this big thing of like, who was he
going to turn up to a red carpet with? Who
is his latest girlfriend? And the thing is, like the
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story in Hollywood was like, no one can marry Warren Batty,
no one can nail him down, no one can sort
of capture him into a marriage. He's the ultimate bachelor.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's a wild stud. Yeah, no one can put a
saddle on him.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Exactly. That was the thing. So there's even been the
story which he's ever said it's true. But he's also,
to my knowledge, never disputed it that he has slept
with over twelve thousand women. The biographer who wrote a
book about Warren Batty, he said that he went through
and calculated, like from when Warren Batty said he first
started dating till he was in his mid fifties and
he married and met betting how many women he sort
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of estimated he hooked up with, and how many women
he was know and took go up with. And he
said it was actually closer to twelve thousand, seven hundred
and seventy five. So that is the amount of women
that Warren Batty is said to have slept with.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't want to slut shame him, but that's too many.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
From him like being a lad about town. I'm sure
it was multiple women a week, sometimes even a different
woman every day. Iki, it was a different time too,
So no, I don't think anyone really said anything about
him being fifty three and her being thirty two, so
where that kind of seemed like the norm. But since
then they've had I mean, I don't know, there's never
been any kind of reports of like cheating or anything
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in the marriage. Like it's like he was this notorious
Hollywood bad boy until the age of fifty three when
he walked into a restaurant saw Anette Betting, fell madly
in love with her and has been like by her
side ever since. What a man talks about the fact
that she changed his life and his life is so
much all these things that like when you're dating a
guy who you know won't commit that you want to
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hear that you'll be the one to change him. He'll
change his ways for you. He just hadn't met the
right girl. Yes, all these things, and she's like things
I always tell my friends because weirdly and it, Betting
comes off in a lot in my friend's conversations in dating.
I'm always like, she's the exception, not the rule. I'm
not going to happen to Most people.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Don't look at this and go, this is what's going
to happen most of the time. They're not going to change.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, so it's very rare that someone would pull it
in at betting, as the saying goes, But yes, they're
still together and still very much in love, and Ella
is their youngest daughter. And the fact that yes, and
she's going to play Lizzie Borden is how we've got
to that. So I think everyone should have that in
mind when they're watching. And the thing is, apparently she
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is going to be like the new hot young actual
of Hollywood. Like after she does Lizzie, there's a bunch
of other projects that she's apparently doing, so she's kind
of the next new actress nepo baby on the Riot,
And I just thought everyone needed to be a cross
where she came from. It's she literally came from.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Great story also in the cast, even though I know
we've found a big, sort of roundabout way to go
back to this, but I'm so glad that you told
that story because it's so great. But playing Andrew, the
one who Lizzie Boughten allegedly killed, is actually Charlie Hunham again,
So Charlie just played at guyne So he's coming back
to the series, but this time is the victim.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Not that well, as we know, Ryan Murphy loves to
have like his troop of actors like he did it
with American Horror Story, he did it with American Crime Story.
He loves to have his troop of actors that he've
recast into different roles. I like Charlie Hanum. I don't
know how many people his datas slept with. That makes
me less interested in him, but I'm sure he's fing
to be fine.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I think he slept with his fair share of women
as well. Maybe not twelve thousand. That seems like a
really high number to keep up with. Maybe Leo would
be up there, Yes, maybe I would say Leo's up there.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, I can't wait for that tell all.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So we don't have an air date yet. It is
in pre production at the moment. But super excited to
see this one come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I'm yeah, really really excited. Bana Nana.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So this week, Kylie Jenner made everyone do a little
bit of a double take online when she teased that
she had a big announcement coming. That's pretty par for
the course with the Katashians, they always have something rolling out.
It was the fact that she told people that to
see the announcement they had to go to Snapchat.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
This is insane, the fact that she's got so much
pool that she can take someone back to a social
media platform that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Has basically mooched. Now that TikTok is around.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I know some people still use Snapchat. I personally don't.
I need a youth see. And then a lot of
them have moved to TikTok and instance don't have it
as much. I don't think I ever had Snapchat. I
had to go download it for the first time to
watch this video. Even though I know that Kylie eventually
put on her Instagram. I wanted to watch it in
the spirit that she had intended, which was Snapchat, and
I produced. Someone thought I was doing it to Snapchat boys,
(19:07):
and I just don't know if that's the kind of
thing anyone should be doing.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I feel like the boys on there will be like
twelve yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Which is upsetting it up. No. No, I know a
few of my friends who like met guys on dating
apps or and they'll be like, send me a Snapchat.
I'm like, that means he doesn't. It means he's going
to cheat on you, or he just wants nudes.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I I remember sat Chat when it first came out.
I used it very briefly because it was like the
disappearing thing.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Then I stopped using it, even when everyone was using it.
I just like couldn't. I was too many social media platforms.
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Kylie Jenner herself also has gone off Snapchat in recent years,
using Instagram and TikTok more. But for a while there
it was her platform of choice, and it was kind
of during the height of this like new level of
fame that she found for herself in the mid twenty tens,
when she broke away from the Kardashian Jenna family in
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a way, or at least in the way that they
all looked and operated start their fame. Yeah, exactly, the
way they all dressed, the way they all did their makeup,
the way that they all had this very set plan
of how they did launchers and how they did products. Kylie,
being the youngest the family, broke away and started posting
more to different platforms, particularly Snapchat, and she went by
the name King Kylie, which a lot of people said
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was inspired by her then boyfriend Tiger.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, and I think that this particular era is right
for her, and in terms of her being a bit
of like the black shape of the family. I mean,
Rob's the black shape of the family, but out of
the girls, she was always a little bit more alternatives.
This is the era of the dip dyed blue hair.
This is the era of the wigs, the heavy makeup,
the lip liner. This is black leather and you know,
(20:44):
tight and a bit more sort of punk rocker kind of.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It was at the time when the Kudashing girls and
even like Kendall Jenner to an extent, were doing more
of the kind of like almost like princessy bandage dress,
really high glam look. And then Kylie Jenner, who had
always been kind of like seen as like, I guess,
the less pretty one of the sisters. Yeah, like she
and Chloe used to get a lot of backlash and
people saying like Kendall's this beautiful model and Kylie's non
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It was like kind of like a really nasty time.
I mean, it still has a nasty time on the internet,
but it was then and then Kylie kind of went
sideways and she started posting a lot on different platforms
like Snapchat, and she called herself King Kylie, and her
fans also called her that she would wear a lot
of like wigs, so like pink or platinum blonde, and
then the teal was like a really big thing. So
when she had the full teal hair or just the
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teal streaks through her hair, which is captured in a
very important moment on Keeping Up with the Kardashians when
Kim married Kanye and Florence. I don't know if you
remember that episode, but it was a whole thing one
because they didn't allow their keeping up cameras there, so
it's all just filmed on the family's iPhones. But the
moment they're like about to fly to I think it's Paris.
For the first part of the wedding festivities before they
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went to Italy, Kim and Kanye pulled Kylie aside and
they're like, are you're going to do something to her hair?
Because their whole wedding was like beige and white. There
was no color. It's like it was. Kim's dress was
like white, the bridesmaid's dresses were white, the flowers are white,
the table's white, and then Kylie's got blue hair teal,
but Kim called it blue and she was like, oh yeah,
one hundred percent. I've got pair extensions and I've got
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color spray and I'm going to cover it up. Don't worry.
And on the day of the wedding, when they'd surprise
Flaw and everyone to Florence for the wedding, Kim does
this piece to camera where she sees Kylie come in
in her white bride's maid's dress and it's like, she
has blue hair at my wedding. I'm not going to
say anything, but like is so angry. But that was
like just very Kylie at the time.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
This particular period of Kylie's really ingrained in my brain
because it's the year I started at E and so
obviously keeping up Acushions was E's biggest, biggest show at
the time, So I was very very aware and this
is just so ingrained in my brain as that period
of time and the Kylie Cosmetics launch, you know, in
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twenty fifteen, her lip kits, that was again such a
moment and you know, she just started Kylie Cosmetics just
with these lip kits, which was sold out within minutes.
It's been now over a decade of this brand, and
I think obviously this particular campaign was a hark back
to her roots, and I appreciate that, and I think
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that the nostalgia of it is great. However, the video
has caused a little bit of backlash.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, so the whole thing about putting the video up
is it was like a throwback to this King Kylie era,
where again she got a lot of fame for the
way she looked in her wigs, as you're saying, particularly
for doing these makeup tutorials that were just different to
what the cut Ashians were doing at the time because
she would film them herself. They were very uncurated. She'd
have her friends in the background and she'd show all
her makeup tips. And that's obviously how the lipliner kits
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came to be so wildly successful and how Kylie Cosmetics
was built. Obviously, she did come out later and say
she'd get lip filler, which she at the time was
very staunchly saying, I've never had lip filler. It's just slipliner,
which is why people bought the lips. But you know, yeah,
just the way that.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Really intense Matt Beige is I remember buying it and
putting it on and be like this is so it
looked awful on me, like I didn't have enough plumpness
in my lips. It just like cracked when in all
the cracks of my lips, and.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, I was not look cute on me. And the
amount that she would withdraw them too, Like I guess
she can kind of make it work. It's kind of
thing looks good in a photo or video, but if
you see anyone walking in the real world with their
lips drawn up to like their nose, it doesn't work.
But I mean she does no makeup. She's really good
and she knows how to build a product and build
an audience. Because when she posted that this thing was
gonna have on Snapchat and that the King Kylie era
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was back, like her fan base was going absolutely nuts
for it. And she also posted this old image that
she'd put up on her socials from years ago saying
like what do you want Kylie Cosmetics to make? And
then a lot of the products are taken from fans suggestions.
So this whole thing of her wanting to celebrate this
ten years of Kylie Cosmetics is her being like, I'm
(24:50):
going back to my roots and I'm going back to
the fans. Yeah, all that sort of thing. So then
we have the video. Yeah, and the video is it
is a very old school King Kylie in terms of
that she's got the tear in her hair, but it's
also brand new Kylie Jenna in fact that she's styled
to look like an old school Hollywood movie star in
a way with the hair and the makeup.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, I appreciate what she's trying to do with it.
I think the backlash of the video comes from the
content of what she's actually doing and some of the images.
So in a lot of the images, she's wearing like
black leather bra panties like pants, she's you know, it's
very sort of sexy dominatrixy.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And she's handcuffed. Yes, And so then she gets walked.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Through a prison in the video, and then Chris Janna
picks her up in a Rolls Royce and they go.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Into the King Kylie number.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
They go off into the sunset.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's very kind of like tongue in cheek and funny.
So this whole thing, she's been arrested, she's in a prison,
she's in the interrogation room again looking like a dominatrix.
Bondage kind of thing, but with the old school king
Kylie hair, and these two men are interrogating her and
kind of almost like listing her achievements.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
So after all this time, you still don't have an alibi.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You understand how that looks?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Right, I'm gonna be frank with you. Although he's Frank,
don't get confused. I'm Frank Frank. There's really no way
hold of this for you got you on multiple counts
and being the baddest bitch on earth slaying twenty four
to seven. It's been an all round impressive young one. Yeah,
not to mention, you completely flipped the entire cosmetics industry on.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's flipped it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Got anything to say for yourself? Any last glossy words
of wisdom mailips her seals this is like so long
grand for her, I love you, okay, very unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And then yeah, then they're seemed to be like handcuffing
her and leading her away, and there's this whole thing
where then you see her walking out in the other
prisoners are like, oh my god, she's leaving, and she
gets in the car, and in the car is like
the Kylie Cosmetics ten year annivers Thary like pictures and
she's putting the lip floss on, so if you watch
it through that lens, it's kind of like quite innocent
and kind of showing her as this like power player like.
And also she runs the business with her mum, Chris Jenma,
(27:17):
Like they're in the Kylie Cosmetics office working together, so
it's this whole thing of her mum being the getaway
car driver. Some fans have pointed out that they think
it's a little bit tone deaf to be showing this
like young white woman essentially like being in police custody,
being handcuffed and then being able to just escape and
kind of treating it as a very kind of like
sexy fun thing when they're saying, like in the US
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at the moment, like there's a lot of issues with
like prison reform and how prisoners are treated. There's a
lot of issues at the moment which have always been
there but have really escalated at the moment with Donald
Trump being the president in terms of like people who
are seen as being illegal in America being arrested off
the streets by ice and filled into these detention centers
and not having any rides. And they think that Kylie
(27:59):
is kind of just not reading the room.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think this kind of political climate that we're wearing
at the moment, particularly in the States, the political climate
is very fraud at the moment. Everybody is on ed
and these ice raids that are happening, and people sort
of alleging that this is happening to innocent people, and
the problems there. I think that this should have probably
been taken into account when she filmed this, and unfortunately,
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because she is so incredibly famous and incredibly successful and
so so privileged, it does feel a little bit tone deaf.
I'm sure she did not intend to do that at all.
I do believe she wasn't trying to do that, but
I do think someone on her team probably should have said,
maybe we can rework the creative a bit. It's kind
of reminding me of the Kendall Jenna pepsi ad.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, And I guess that's the thing when you have
like these really high profile especially young women, kind of
put these things out into the world that are meant
to be like a bit sexy and a bit provocative,
it can be looked at through a different lens that
I'm sure them and their bubble didn't think of Again,
I'm not defending it from people who are upset by it,
because I think the thing is, I think if you're
upset by it, it's not because you're upset by Kylie
Jenna or the video. It makes me think of the
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Sydney Sweeney jeans a like, people weren't upset about Sidney
Sweeney and jeans. They were upset about the wider issues
that were happening, yes, and how this linked to that.
And if you're living in that really heightened state where
you're like fearing for your life and family, then pop
culture references will hit you a lot harder because it's
part of your world. Whereas you know, someone like a
Sidney Sweeney or Kylie Jenner, I'm sure this isn't the
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kind of thing they're living within their day to day life,
so they don't think it's a big deal, but I
understand why other people do. But yeah, it is like
the Pepsi commercials. So when Kendall Jenner started in that commercial,
it was almost like her being tapped to be one
of these iconic supermodels because other supermodels had done these
Pepsi commercials like Cidie Crawford.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Samous Pepsi you know, in those little damn shorts and
her white tank top. Pepsi was so iconic in that
era for creating superstars. You know, we've got Britney Spears
did Pepsi, beyond sy did Pepsi, and it feeds off it.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, And I think that's kind of the thread that
people are looking at there. And I don't think this
is going to get the same attention as Kendall Jenner's
Pepsi commercial. Did That came at a time too when
I mean, it's still happening, but like a lot of riots,
a lot of police brutality and allegations of brutality, a
lot of people saying that they didn't feel safe around
police or in the streets and all these kind of things,
and then the idea was that to see a white
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woman just essentially end a riot and walk safely towards
police was kind of making light of the situation. And
obviously later on we saw Kendall Jenner, like, you know,
sobbing on keeping of the Kadashian saying she never meant
to hurt anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And wasn't her idea.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
She's not the one who created the campaign idea, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But it is like, when you're the face of it,
you do take that. I mean, that's what the money
is for.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
But that's exactly right, That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Like, Unfortunately, the creative team who came up with it
and hired her, she wouldn't have had any input on
the creative at that point she was still relatively new.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, but there should have been some.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, So I don't think this is going to block
to the same extent, but I just think that's the
same idea of something on one hand can be seen
as like really provocative and interesting. And also the whole
like jay less thing is an old thing through pop culture,
going back to like the whole kind of Bonnie and Clyde,
like on the run kind of thing of this, yeah,
that prison escape. And also the fact that they're reading
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out all of these things that Kylie's done, and when
she sort of says like, my lips are sealed, they're like,
it's so her, and that's a nod to like her
makeup brand and the product my lips are sealed, all
those kind of things. So like, if you look at
it through that lens, it's very understandable. But yeah, anyone
who was upset by that. I just think that that's
also fair enough, but it hasn't stopped them video from
racking up millions of views on Snapchat, on Instagram pre
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orders for the collection because it's celebrating the ten years
have like allegedly gone wild and I'm sure this will
be like a huge money maker for her, and I
think a lot of her fans want her to go
fully back into the King Kylie era, but she's so
removed from that now. She's going to the Oscars in
like kutua gowns and being a mum of two and
being behind the scenes. And it's kind of so funny
because in the Snapchat video at one point, like she
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seems into it, because I'm sure she was very invested
in the idea, but she also just looks like she's
just phoning it in, which is also very Kylie Jennathy
and how she appears on the Kardashians.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Well, well, Kiglie Cosmetics has kind of gone through a
bit of a rebrand recently.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I think it was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
They went through a rebrand back in twenty nineteen where
she sold abortion of the company became a billionaire. So look,
the brand's gone through a lot of different changes lately,
and I understand why she wanted to do this.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I just think that perhaps in light of the political climate,
it was maybe just a little bit off there. But again,
I don't think it's going to stop her getting those sales.
She's clearly doing very well for herself.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I'm sure we'll see some of this in the
next season of The Kardashians, but they do things very late,
so I'm just going to say, like maybe three years time,
we'll see the making of this commercial and she'll maybe
do a little address to the backlash. Then.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Thanks so much for listening to The Spill today. And
have you guys checked out our YouTube yet. We have
all of our full lips up there and you can
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Speaker 1 (33:00):
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