July 24, 2025 • 37 mins
Today we kick things off with a wild celeb-in-the-wild sighting that sparked major debate in one of Laura & Em's meetings. Alison Brie photographed cutting her husband Dave Franco’s toenails during a picnic. Intimate? Gross? Brilliant PR? We dig into what it means, especially with their new horror movie dropping.
Then, Netflix has released its official mid-year viewership data dump… The most-watched show of 2025 is one no one saw coming, but boy oh boy did it get the whole world talking... while Meghan Markle’s lifestyle series With Love, Meghan didn't exactly make waves. So what do the stats say about what people are actually watching?
Plus, an internet hyperfixation throwback. A new two part doco on the Brit Crew has dropped - a group of Youtubers that blew up the internet when Em was growing up... and she's desperate to tell Laura (and you) all the lore.
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The A-List Actress Who Called Out Meghan Markle Has Quietly Deleted The Evidence
The Real Fallout From Meghan Markle's New Netflix Show
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
From MoMA may I. Welcome to the Spell, your daily
pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm m Burnam and I'm Laura Brednick. I love how
we're just excited by that back we're back together, and
we are back together. I thank goodness because we have
a full docket today. We do so. Netflix has released
their list of the most watched TV shows and movies
for this year. Megan Markle is getting absolutely raked over
the coals for the performance of her show. People are
(00:49):
laughing at her, people are saying terrible things. Okay, a
little fact in there that she's actually had the last laugh,
so we'll get into that. Plus I love her. You
don't even know, well, I don't know about your segment
because you're going to tell me about some scandalous YouTube
drama that.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We're going deep into. The twenty twenty eleven to twenty
fourteen Brick Crew YouTuber law.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm so excited about that. I'm riginally on the edge
of my large velvet chair that I said, I get
to teach you something I know, I was excited. But first,
so this week Emily and I were sitting together in
the Mum Mirror office putting together a presentation that we're
doing soon, very professional of us, and as we finished,
I said, Emily, I saved a photo this week that
(01:30):
I thought we could do on the pod. But it's
too silly, it's too low brow. We're not going to
do it. But like, this is the photo and I
showed it to you and you said, we're doing that
on the pod.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
We're doing this on the pod because I've never experienced
so many feelings in one go from looking at a
photo in zero point two seconds.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, okay, so the photo one question. It has been
bubbling around the Internet and social sites and everything for
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But we're like, we definitely didn't think we'd be doing this. No,
a lot of big feelings happened.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, yes, so finger on the poles. We're doing it now,
but that's fine, just go with us. So the photo
in question that I held up my phone and showed
Emily Vernon showed actors and directors and also real life
married couple Dave Franco, the other Franco brother, and Alison
Brie sitting together, and it's actually from the first glance
at it, before you realize what's happening, it's very romantic.
(02:23):
They're sitting together on a blanket in the middle of
a beautiful park. There's trees, there's grass, there's greenery. They're
sitting close together. They're obviously madly in love. And what
people have taken issue with is that Dave's leg is
kind of He's sitting behind Alison Brie and his leg
is kind of sneaking around her, and his foot is
propped up on her leg. And in the video, because
(02:44):
there's video two. In the video and the photos, she
is just very casually, very lovingly clipping his toenails, and
people they are upset.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
A lot of people forget that Alison Brie and Dave
Franco are actually a huge power couple in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
But I'll never forget. I think about it every day.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
They are both comedy geniuses. They've come from massive, massive
shows Deve Franco of being James Rnko's brother and a
lot of comedy movies. Alison Brees come from Community, which
was a massive sitcom hit, and also they've done a
lot of interviews together because they direct and star and
a lot of TV shows and movies together. They work
together as a couple. And not only are they powerful
(03:28):
and extremely good looking, so good looking, so good looking,
but they're also funny. They're also down to earth. They're
also viby, they're casual. They know so much about each other.
They've been in each other's life for a really really
long time. And they have two cats and they're beautiful. Yeah,
and this was like the couple in Hollywood that I
was like, this is a couple I vibe with, like
me too, no ill feelings, They're just kind of doing
(03:49):
their own thing. They're never in the spotlight, spotlight. They're
always kind of on the side, and that's where they
want to be.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yes. And then I saw this photo, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It made me very upset. Okay, why Firstly, they're a
super rich, wealthy couple. They don't need to be sitting
in a park. They could do that in their back.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Rich people need oxygen as well, Yeah, they could.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Do that in they're like back yard, which I'm sure
was like acres long.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, it actually is. I've been a picture.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You don't clip your own toenails in a park let
alone the person you're with, and like you're in a
public space, you're on display for everyone. Firstly, you're on
display because you're a list Hollywood couple, so everyone's looking
at you anyway. And now you're infiltrating my space. Imagine
me lying under a tree reading. I'm reading The Great
(04:35):
Gaps Bee right now reading The Great Gap Speed under
my tree.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's important detail.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Finding my own business, eating my rap When I'm like,
what's that? What's that on my book? I think it's
a toenail?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay, if you sit that close to the couple that's
on you.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Where would that come from? And then I see in
the distance because they fly. If you've ever clipped toenails,
they fling, They fling like Yah.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
In the video she's pulling the toenail and throwing it
onto the grass next to them. Sorry, maybe you would
sit there as well. I'm sure the toenail will biodegrade
into the earth of once it came.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh my god. But the raccoons and the squirrels, is
that what they have in the US?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, and a lot of them they don't need that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I just think that is something you don't ever do
in public. Don't even do that in my house. Do
that in your bathroom.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The world is very much on your side. People are horrified.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
They god believe I'd be very upset.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
People think it's disgusting. Don't make me defend David frank Gross,
tell you to defend. I feel like I have to
know a few caveats to this, Okay. One is that
I must say people do think it's potentially a publicity
stunt for their new movie Together, which is a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And on Run Tomatoes, which is very rare.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, it's meant to amazing. The two of them make
great movies together, and they often co write, direct, co star.
He directs her in sex scenes, and they're both like,
we don't eat with other people, and they both say,
we don't care. These movies are our children. There are
passion projects we're both all in because they're mentally like
a very codependent couple in the movie. So it could
be a publicity stunt. I almost don't think it is,
(06:06):
because they've done some other publicity stunts together, like going
and making out of all the billboards for the movie
and then telling fans to go do that and post
their photos. This could be like what people think that
they went to the park, they paid the photographer to
come video them, and they released the video. But it's
a thin line to draw.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It just seemed so unlike them.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't think it's a publicity stunt. I think that
they're in the park having a chill time together because
they're in the middle of promoting a movie and that's
very stressful, and I think they are so in love.
Just remember, this is the couple. I don't know why
I know so much For their backstory, they met in
New Orleans for Mardi Gras. They were sitting across from
each other. They'd never met, they had a mutual friend.
They met at a dinner. They hooked up in New Orleans.
(06:45):
They like fell madly in love. He was filming in
New York. She went to save with him for a week,
and it was just meant to be a week long thing.
They had this wild time in New York where he
was filming, and that was meant to be kind of it.
And then she got in a cab and she was
going to the airport, knowing that he was flying to
Paris to film the rest of the movie. And she's
kind of like, I don't know when I'll see him again.
And then she opened her bag. Inside was a folded
up note from him saying, will you come to Paris
(07:06):
with me? And so then they went to Paris and
they've been madly in love ever since. That was like
ten years ago. So I think that she's just so
madly in love with this man that she loves him
toenails and all. And I don't think it was a
pre planned thing. I think they're sitting there chatting away,
having a lovely time in the park, and then she
looks down and says, wow, your toenails are really long,
and he says, yeah, it hurts every time I put
(07:26):
my shoes on. And she's like, oh my god, wait
a second, and.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She wearing any shoes, which the shoes off?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
They took their shoes off next.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Can I say story worse?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Can I just say, I don't think it's that bad.
They're married, they're in love, she's out home.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Don't make me part of it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I know. But the thing is, no one, no one
had to be part of it. If it's not a
publicity statting someone filmed them, that's on the person who
filmed and everyone who looked at it like they didn't
do it on the red carpet. Also, if it's your
I mean again, I'm not married. I don't know what
married people do. But I always remember when Jason Kelsey
was photographed out with his songs on and people were
zooming in on his feet and saying his feet are disgusting,
(08:05):
they're dirty, his toast disgusting, and everyone really pushed his wife,
Kylie Kelsey to like release a statement on the feet,
and she did, Oh my god, she did on her podka.
She was like, guys, those feet are in bed with
me every night. I sleep every night with those feet
against me. Of course, I don't think they're disgusting. They're
my husband's seat. And I think Alison Bree is the
(08:25):
same way. And I can't believe I'm the one defending this,
but I don't think clipping a partner's tone els is gross.
If you said to me, oh my god, I put
my back in my car, reach my toene els and
your feet will clean. I get you to wipe them first,
I would clip your tone elves.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
That's really romantic.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I know some people of a foot phobia. I don't.
I think it's fine wipe them first.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I just would like to just read my book in
the park lit.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, well, just know that next time we're in the park,
just be aware, David Frank gros tourneous. It could be anywhere.
So Netflix, who very famously doesn't really provide a lot
of data for their shows because I think like back
in broadcast TV ds, I mean we still do, but
just because we watch less free to air TV now,
in the next day, all the numbers of the more
(09:10):
watch shows would be available. But Netflix is a bit different.
Sometimes they let us know. Most of the time they don't.
They obviously have on the splash on the homepage most
watch shows, but there's no hard data behind it. So
a lot of the time we're just having to rely
on our grid chat.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It makes me.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Feel a bit like weird.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Co Okay, this minute I saw this list, I was
imade you like, imagine if Mom and Mia like published
all of our page yeares from me, like each of
us like half this many people read Emily's work of usus,
We're ready for us work, I'd be like, oh my god,
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, I know because like Amy Schreamer saw that her
movie Kind of Pregnant was like quite far up there
on the list, and she was posting that everywhere because
she got a lot of shit for that movie being
that and she was basically like, take that everyone. And
so some creators are having that moment, which I love
for them. So they released their data for the most
watched TV shows and movies for the first half of
twenty twenty five, so the first half of this year,
(10:06):
and at the top, and I really love This is
Adolescence with fourteen point eight million views.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Ah deserved. I feel like that show was the only
one that wasn't surprising. What was surprising is that I
completely forgot had happened because Okay, it was such like
a mini series. Yeah, And I feel like Netflix is,
especially alongside other streaming services, are really leaning into the
limited series. And I think that's come from a big audience.
De man, we're tired of waiting four years between each season. Oh,
(10:31):
just give us the beginning, give us the end, and
then give us something else after.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Well. I love shows that go from multiple seasons, but
I don't want a three year gap in between them.
I also love because usually we know what's going to be,
like the biggest show of the month, well before the
show comes out because you know, we get that info
from Netflix of where they're really putting all their time
and money for that release thing, for that release window.
And that's why, like behind the scenes, like we have
like these big content plans that I make about each show.
(10:55):
Adolescence was something they pretty much just dropped onto the
streamer and a few days later it just blew up.
So I think it goes to show that like these
little sleeper hits can still exist. Squid Game season two
is next, followed by Squid Game season three, both global hits. Yeah,
no surprise there, and then Zero Day the political drama,
missing new crime drama, lots of those things. The Gabby
(11:17):
Potito the American murder series of documentary also up there,
and Miss Rachel Mister Chel that's one in there for
the kids and the mom.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But all those parents are just have it on replays
a video over and.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's not triggering for Olivia Mant. Remember she said, just
off the cuff, she's like, I don't like Miss Rachel,
just personally, and then everyone was slammed. Everyone was like
stone her to death. And also Sirens in there, the
Meghan Faihie, she's nominated for that again. That seems like
one we kind of I guess you had these shows
that burn really hot and bright for about two weeks,
(11:51):
which I think is what those things like sirens do.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, what I found really interesting is that I feel
like sometimes me in particular, I become obsessed with the
shows that my friends are obsessed with, and it becomes
this bubble and you forget that that's not necessarily reflective
of the data. Yes, and what I really liked about
this list was that a show that we both loved
(12:13):
was like far up the Top, which I felt like
was very unexpected. It was Running Point, created by Mindy
Kaling starring Kate Hudson. We found that show so fun.
It had all the rights elements. It had Kate Hudson,
had Mindy Kaling, it had basketball, it had Chet Hanks.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Everything that we want. May think we personally wanted a.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Show was in that show. And the thing is is
that we actually didn't spend that much time talking about it.
I mean, it felt like we were the only two people.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Think we did a fair whack on Weekend Watch. We
did a whole segment devoted to the rise and law
of Chet Tanks. But yeah, I know what you mean, like,
we didn't do Brilliance, We didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Do a Brilliancet review, because it felt like no one
else was actually talking about it, no one else was
enjoying it. In fact, I knew a lot of people
who didn't like it at all, and I was like, oh, no,
it's not going to get renewed for another season because
it seems like no one's really getting amongst it. And
then it got renewed for another season, and now we
found out that it actually did really well.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think it's one of those shows that, like, I
think so many people watched the first episode and didn't
love it, and as we said at the time, like
we acknowledge it, it's slightly clumsy storytelling in the first episode.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's a lot of like world building where they had
to explain a lot about like basketball.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yes, and also it's just like and here's this character
and they do this, and this character is that. But
as we said, Running Point is great, the writing is great,
the performances are great. I was engaged till the very
very end. And yeah, and finally someone gave Chet Hanks
a break. That poor Nepo baby, and he's coming back
from season two, so that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
We did do a big tell all on Chat the
law behind Chat Hanks, which we will link in the
show notes.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It is one of my favorite episodes, I know, our
best work. Really. I also have to say, I know
we're being silly, but he's also been accused of some
pretty probably he is.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Really not good person.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, I can't stress that in This is not
an endorsement.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Colin Hanks, however, great bit boring.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah yeah, he didn't have the arc that would get
him a whole segment. So as people walk delving into
the list, and like, I also love that the movie
back in Action that Cameron Diaz came out of retirement
to do with Jamie Foxx.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Movie. Love that movie.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's so good. I love Cameron Diaz an Action.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So it also just kind of feels like the kind
of movie that would have been number one at the
box office back in the day when you just like
in the cinema, Yeah, in the cinema, back in the
day when it was two huge stars who we do
have a lot of chemistry in a movie together. And
the plot's kind of fine and the action sequence is fine,
but it's more their performance together and instead now that
just drops on Netflix. But it's fine. So if you
haven't watched Back in Action, well but apparently you will
(14:37):
have me being like, have you guys watched the number
one movie in the world? Were too britt just on
back and actually came ages ago hey no no, no, no,
no no. So as people were delving into the list
looking for their fase like running point like you were
deep breath, people came across some information that frankly, everyone
(15:00):
just couldn't wait to clap their hands about gleefully. And
that is the fact that Megan Mankle's lifestyle and cooking
series with Love Meghan. Ye, you've got to pause because
there's a comment there for the Megan ranked only three
hundred and eighty three on the list, so three hundred
and eighty three of all the shows that were watched
(15:20):
in that period.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
This was very surprising to me because we've talked about
Love Megan, Yeah multiple times.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Did we do a Brillian Yes, obviously we did. When
we spent the first twenty minutes on the Bees, He's
just christ.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yes, we did the Bees and Mindy Kayley.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, and you guys, that was I think it's one
of my most listened to brilliant reviews.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
After you haven't because you clearly haven't watched make.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It, because we watched every second We'll link it in.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We watched it the day came.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Out like all of the episod all of one night,
and I had to watch it again. Okay, so I'm part
of these views, like I held think you're all three
time all of these views. So it actually, I should say,
as much as everyone's calling a disaster, it did have
five point three million views, and anywhere else in the
world for any other streamer, for a lot of countries,
that would be the number one through the roof. It's
(16:11):
just because Netflix numbers are so.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Huge five point three million views. We get a few
million hits on ours from our videos. So I'm like,
for me, it was surprising because yesterday is a big number.
But in contrast of everything that happened to get that
series made, we know it was a multimillion dollar Netflix deal,
so Netflix actually paid her to do this series, and
(16:34):
it looks like they got nothing out of that deal
essentially because no one watched it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, I think that's a thing with Netflix, so and
their kind of business plan of what we know it
is is that they just take a huge volume of
stuff and they throw it kind of all the war
and they had this idea that they'll every weekend they
release a show that's like you've got to binge it
this weekend, and the Megan Markle Show was just the
one for them at that time. I Mean, the thing is,
like I think a lot of people looked at the
starter and were like, oh, that's so embarrassing for Megan Markle,
(17:01):
And like, in a way it is because it does
show that, like the star power that a lot of
people attached to her doesn't translate into actually watching the
content that she makes. But on the other hand, she
kind of has had the last laugh if you look
at the overall plan, because they got that huge deal
with Netflix, which is already coming to an end this year,
(17:23):
Like that was the official end date. The rumors are
that Netflix is not renewing it as an official deal
with Harry and Meghan, but they will do more of
like a first look deal with them for future projects.
But the end of the day, she got paid a
bomb to make that show. Her hands are all over it.
She got to make the show she wanted and put
out into the world, and she got to showcase all
the products and things that were going to be in
(17:44):
her lifestyle line, which she has now released. And every
time she does a drop of Cellelles out, so sorry
that woman's laughing all the way to the bank. Has
her She also, in.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
The deal, made two seasons that she filmed back to
backs because we saw like the first look of the
first season. So I remember you were saying when we
were talking about this topic, you were saying, she actually
won like it, like it won't ever look like Netflix
canceled the show because it wasn't doing well because you
already signed on.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
To DC and she always said it was going to
be two seasons. And now also she's been in the
editing booth, like she's talking about the fact that she's
controlling this new season, which we don't have a really
state for yet, but she's getting to make exactly the
content she wants and it can be packaged up as
it was only ever meant to be too. So as
much as like I know, everyone's trying to pull this
story out and make it look like she's this huge failure.
(18:31):
And again, obviously it would have been better for her
if it was like higher up the list, it's pretty
far down. But at the end of the day, she
got the money and she got the kick back to
her product line.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, and it's just her haters, right seeing her at
the bottom of the list and going haha, yeah exactly,
exactly like that, and then they just like like blocking
their ears of everything else that's going on.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well exactly. There's so many shows in there, like in
the mix that like have had a huge amount of
money behind and that also ten. And it's also.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Highly competitive, right, like Netflix releases so much content, like
and if this list is literally Netflix's shows competing with
each other, so obviously there's going to be like shows
that you really really love that are well on the
bottom running point up there or not in the top
ten in.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So we can do a brilliant review and then make
it top Yeah exactly for next time. So super interesting
to see all the data. And as much as everyone's
kind of demonizing Megan Markle today, she always leans on
her feet. I'll say that so far, she's guys, She's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'm gonna start this off with a story.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Oh okay, well I'm just getting comfeet. Okay, I'm good,
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We're taking her back to twenty and eleven. Oh okay,
I am. I think around like fourteen, fifteen years old.
I'm at school. I'm ready to go home because I
have things to do. Yeah, I get home from school.
Usually usually I get home from school and I turn
on the TV and they either watch Disney Channel or Nickelodeon.
(19:58):
Yeah it's different today, there's been a switch. I get
home and the first thing I do is open my
little laptop and watch YouTube.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Wow, and what are you watch it on YouTube?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay? I have eight videos to get through from eight
different people. And this is exactly what everyone in my
generation during twenty eleven to around two thousand and fourteen
fifteen were doing every day after school, was just watching
these YouTubers. Now, these YouTubers are called the Brit Crew.
(20:32):
Have you heard of the Brit Crew?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I mean that name is definitely familiar, but I'm not
across their law, or their history or even all the
members involved.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Okay, so this is probably like peak YouTube, where YouTube
turned from something that you would take videos of, like
people making pranks on other people, people doing skits with
other people, and you'd show your friends to more of
like a cultural zygeist of this is part of my
day now, it's like watching my YouTube shows and then
I go to bed and do everything else. So it
(21:00):
ended up it became this thing where we swapped watching
TV after school to watching YouTube channels after school. And
brit Crew was made up of these eight early twenty
some of them were like late teens, these eight individuals
who were all British, and they started to do something
different to all the other YouTubers. Instead of like making
skits and doing prank videos and doing these really curated
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videographer kind of directoral videos, they just started to show
their lives and they started making millions of just sharing
their personal life. Yeah, and they were so ahead of
the curve. So you know how now we have beauty
influencers who do like makeup reviews and do brand deals.
Think about back in the day where there were before
any legalities around that, and like a YouTuber could sell
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a mascara and there's no legalities of them having to
say this is sponsored, this is spon con.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Right, they could they could just be like a recommendation
and then raking all the money behind them.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And that's exactly what they were doing because like it
just didn't bring that. It didn't exist stright like the
governments had to catch up after their death.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And no one saw YouTubers like a legitimate business or
like legitimate personalities, I mean, aside from the fans who
were watching it, so no one thought they had to
be regulated at this exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And then these guys were just doing it. And these
are teenagers making millions of their videos and also getting
millions of views. So what was fascinating about this group
of brick Crew guys was that they literally were doing
like I'm not even exagerate when I say that the
shittest content, like the worst content, but it was just
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so new and fresh, and they became these massive celebrities
in my head that they were just like all I
could talk about, all my friends could talk about. It
felt like we were there with them, kind of like
how people feel towards podcasters and influencers. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
They were like the og that very intense parasocial relationship.
And was it also that like I know, obviously like
Nickelooney and Disney Channel and stuff was super entertaining. But
you're watching that, I'm assuming like on the family TV
in the living room. It's made by adults and then
it's been given to you, Whereas was there something kind
of like did it make you feel like a bit
rebellious that you were going into your room on the
computer watching content that was made by another teenager, like
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it's chatting out all the middleman, all the parents and everything.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And it felt just more real. Where it's like you
definitely knew even as a kid that like the Miley
Cyrus and the drag Bells were like still actors and
they were still off this level that you couldn't reach,
Whereas like these YouTubers felt accessible, They felt like my friends,
They felt like they knew what was going on in
my life. Vice versa such a cool kid, I.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Was, Yeah, So I want to tell you really cutting it,
I know, maybe we wouldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I want to tell you about the members because what's
happened now, and why I want to talk about this
now is that a two part documentary series on the
Brick Crew has been released by someone who was kind
of in the Brick Crew but towards the end before
they just kind of dissipated. His name is Josh Peters,
and he might sound familiar because he did that documentary
(23:52):
on that only fans creator who slept with one hundred
men in the day. Oh yes, so everyone knows him
from that, but I knew him from the Brick Crew
days and I was like, Josh, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Like I know you, sir.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So he's on the tail end of the Brick Crew,
which is why I think he felt like he couldn't
make this documentary because he wasn't fully in it, and
he tried to make it while also still being friends
with them and stuff like that. So the Brick Crew,
there's a lot of people who have kind of come
in and out, but I want to talk about the
eight main ones. So we have Zoe, sug and Alfie
Days okay, the King and Queen of the Brick Crew,
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the G's. So they're a couple. They didn't start off
as a couple. They became a couple. It was like
this whole big deal when it was found out they
were a couple because like Jim, who's another member, like
accidentally posted a photo of Zoe's laptop which had them
kissing on the background, and that's how everyone found out
they were a couple.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Content careers, did they wish that they could wish could
create drama like that.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Speaking of Jim So, he was also in the Brick
Crew with his partner Tanya Burg. They were like a
couple of friends with Zoe and Alfie. They got married,
it was like all over like YouTube, like their whole
life journey. They actually got divorced shortly after they got married,
which was massive. They had massive statements out there. Another
couple friend was Marcus Butler and his partner and Naomi.
(25:12):
They were also together for a long time. They also separated,
just same deal.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Massive rough out there. What fame will do to you rough.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We then have Zoe's brother, Joe sug.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh, yes, and ward of him.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I would have heard of him because he was on
UK's Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So now he don't think that's why.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
She's become a big celebrity now, like he's on British
bake Off, like he's doing all the reality stuff now.
And his roommate Casper Lee, who was like the biggest
YouTuber out of all of them before they created this group.
So they all started off as like individual YouTubers and
then they realized to grow you have to also connect
with other YouTubers who are bigger than you make content
(25:52):
with them so they can put on their channels and
then you can grow kind of like how TikTok influencers
do it now.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
They go and cross each other, and I know that
there's lots of little pockets in different countries, like Australia
had that there was a time when like all these
different influencers came together as one big unit to farm
each other's audiences. They knew that people were more engaged
in seeing them together. And I think that's what all
those TikTok content houses are now, right, Like they're a
more formalized version of that. And I know those do
really good numbers, but I feel like it doesn't because
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people know that you come into the house and you
like book your room and you spend the whole time
doing content. Like again, it feels too sanitized to go
back and recreate these kids doing it by themselves exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And they also didn't at the time, didn't realize how
big they were. So in the documentary, Josh Peters tries
and interviews all the members because he wants to get
down to like the point of like how did the
brick crew become this massive thing doing like these massive
events kind of like Comic Con, that like level of
events they would do, and all they would do is
(26:50):
literally just say hi to people on stage. Yeah, because
everything else they did was like in their bedroom, wanting
us to change, Like how do you convert that into
real life? So doing these like massive events, like gaining
these millions and millions of views, they would literally walk
down the street and the street would literally have to
have police to block it because people would just be
following them.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That is just wild, Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And now they are much better because now they're like
full blown adults in their thirties, They're like much better
at being private. A lot of them still post on YouTube,
a lot of them have moved to different countries and
are doing something completely different and are completely offline. But
what Josh wanted to do was like see how the
brit crew transformed and also what happened to them, because
all of a sudden, they just kind of dissipated the
(27:31):
whole crew. And it happened during a time when I
stopped watching because I obviously grew up. I started watching
different things, and then I tapped back in recently because
I was like, oh my god, I didn't know these
guys are still making videos.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Is one of my friends up to Zoey and Alfie
have two kids. Yeah, isn't one of them called Otterly
and that and that was a huge skiff that when
it happened. That's just a beautiful name for sure. And
the other one is nov Okay. Sorry, those actually the greatest.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Beautiful names and cute girls. It's like one of those
like families where you're like, oh, that's what I want.
And the million dollar mansion that they would have made
the money on from when they were nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and it's now kind of set forever because of
all the forever fame and the wealth of their recruit
to manage to hold onto all of them really questionable
how much they film their kids.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But yeah, I actually do think they're pulling back on
that because I've noticed in recent photos Zoe's posting, she
hasn't been posting her older girl's face Ottie's face.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah. Well, I guess again, because they're the pioneers in
that space, they would have just been like, well, we
share our lives and all these people love us, why
wouldn't we show our kids because they're with us all
the time and they're the biggest part of our life.
So I get that, but I guess as time goes on,
people are becoming more aware of how dangerous that is
and they're starting to pull back a little bit. Yeah,
it's just kind of hard when you're on the front lines,
like you're the first one doing a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
What I noticed when I started rewatching them again was
that the tonus shifted right because every second video it'd
be like the crew together, or like one person from
the crew with Zoe and Alfie, or Zoe and Alfi
going to like Marcus is ours Jim and Marcus and
Alfi doing stuff together, and they're very much siloed, and
it seems like that they not only aren't friends anymore,
but they just completely acknowledge that whole period of their life.
(29:10):
So Josh wanted to investigate what happened during that by
interviewing people. What was really interesting was that he included
screenshots of messages he was sending Zoe and Alfie to
see if they would be interviewed, and they just never
applied to him.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That is sorry, that's incredible access for us to kind
of sad that, but I guess he also wanted to
show that he was trying to include.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, and he was like, I just want to hear
your guys side of the story. It's hard to tell
who Alfie and Zoe are still friends with. But this
whole thing the one question that everyone wants to know.
And you're gonna laugh at this because they've taken it
so seriously. So I want to talk about Jim and
Tanya Burr, who the ones who were married and then
got divorced quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
After how long will they married? Just a few months?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I reckon it was like under a year? Yeah, so
when they had statements about that, yeah, and they both
have new partners and they both have kids with their
new partners. Okay, so it seems very weird because for me,
it's like mum and dad have divorced and now they
have kids and now they don't acknowledge each other at all.
When they were together, they had a dash out they.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Might okay, that already funny.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
They had a dash out named Martha. They got divorce,
they put the statement out. Since then, Martha has not
been seen.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Oh my god, Martha is a casualty of the breakup.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Every single comment on all of Tanya Burr's post is
where is Martha to the point where people think she's
gone in her back end and automatically blocks words that
say dashound Martha dog.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But like, surely one of them took the dog or
do you think it was too painful?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
They had think Birr took the dog. I'm not even
joking when I say this. There was a hashtag that
was trending for like a year and it was hashtag
wears the hound. No, but seriously, so Tanya actually declined
to be interviewed by Josh.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
She said it was not Martha's bodies, like in the
backyard something.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
There were some really awful rumors around like what happened
with Tanya Burr, which I really feel for her because
I really loved her, I really loved her content. What
she did was she moved away from you completely and
wanted to take on acting. She kind of had a
Megan Markle edit where people were just finding videos of
her acting and plays and stuff and going, how shit
is this? Like she cheated on Jim. It's so obvious,
(31:21):
like making up really awful rumors, and one of the
big ones was like where the hell is Martha? So
Josh did manage to get an interview with Jim okay,
and he was like, where's Martha the first.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Time he's asked a question?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And Jim was like, it's become this big thing, and
he said and this really annoyed me about Jim. He
was like, I feel like I can't say because it's
not my story to tell because I wasn't in the
decision making process.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Okay, well, it's obviously not Martha's story to tell because
one she can't speak, and too, I hate say it.
I think she's He did say she is fine. Sorry,
I don't believe that. He said, I want a picture
with like, I want Martha holding up a newspaper with
a date on to prove that it's a recent picture.
And I don't want her to look like she's under duressed. Parka.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
He's like, said, I promise you she's fine.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It means nothing to me.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It just wasn't my decision of what happened to it.
And I'm like, Jim, you're.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Making it worse, making it so much worse. Can I
just say I don't think famous people should ever introduce
their pets the world. It never ends well. The Kardashians
have actually do so many cover stories because they bring
these pets in and they put them all over their
cameras and they obviously decide they hate them or they die,
and then they have to come up with these cover
stories of like, oh, Mercy went to live with a friend,
(32:40):
Mercy hasn't been seen again. And also Megan Markle too,
she had to leave one of her dogs in Canada
when she moved to the UK. That was a huge story.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It's just, yeah, I think if they said something like
Martha's on a farm or Martha's being.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So that also sounds like Martha's.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Like say something, They've literally not said anything. They refuse
to mention Martha at all.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Guys, I think Martha is gone from this mortal coil.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
It's become this whole thing. He also interviewed Naomi and Marcus,
who had they haven't said anything about Martha Martha the
storyline of Martha's unfortunately, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's literally all I care about it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But Naomi was talking about how she came into the
friend group like a bit later, and then Zoe and
Alfie helped her start a YouTube channel, and then after
she broke up with Marcus, she also had to break
up with her friends and She's like, we were family.
We were best friends. Me, Tanya and Zoe were like family.
And she was crying, and I was like, this actually
would have because they would have been like in their
early twenties, like kind of like forming years, and yet
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they're like so big and so professional. And they also
were all signed to the same pr agency before pr
agencies were even a thing, Like they were getting these
massive deals and they were essentially kids. And this is
all blown up into like what the hell happened? And
what really sucks is that Zoe and Alfie didn't do
an interview, which I feel like would have made them
(34:00):
come across so much better if they did, regardless of
not saying anything. So Joe sucks. Zoe's brother was meant
to be interviewed in the second part. He was in
all the promo and stuff. And then during watching the
second part, which was only released a few days ago, Yeah,
Josh said that he recalled his interview.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
He said that after watching the first part of the
documentary series, he felt like what he said in his
interview was just untrue to the image he wanted to
put out there.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Interesting because normally also once to give an interview, like,
that's it. If you've said it on the record, it's
on the record.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
So he definitely has footage of this interview and he
just hasn't posted it because Josh is still friends with
all of them.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, well again it must. I feel like he definitely
could have because you would have had a release signed
to film and all that kind of stuff. So that's
the thing. You can't normally recall an interview unless you
have a personal connection to the person you want to
maintain that relationship, or there was something big happening behind
the scenes that legalities could have been involved. But that's
huge to have the footage and not err it.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, I just felt like after watching this documentary, I
didn't know what I wanted out.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
It did as like an old school OG fan. Did
you feel kind of some sort of closure watching it?
Did it not help him out?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I felt It's sad actually, because I thought it was
just gonna be the rumors are a spiraling on why
they all kind of broke up and dissipated. I thought
there was gonna be like heated. I thought people would
have stuff to say about each other, but it just
ended up being so wholesome of them just being so
nostalgic and reminiscing on the past, but it was very definitive,
as if like I'm so glad this happened to me,
(35:31):
but I'll never go back there again. They just felt like,
oh no, these friendships have truly ended and they've all
just moved on, which so many people do. We just
don't put our lives out there like the same way
they have, and it just made me feel really sad.
They're like, oh no, we probably will never get a reunion,
like it will just be that's on the card. It's
not on the cards. And they because of like I
(35:52):
feel like how public their lives have been and how
crazy they've been, they've become so private now that their
content type has also changed, like Zoe and Alfie are
so careful about what they put out there, and a
lot of the YouTube videos they now publish are because
they're getting paid to do it, like they all have
ad in the title. Yes, and it's still good content,
but it's not like the content that we used to get.
And I feel like we're now in an era where
(36:14):
like the younger generation will never see that like raw
side of influences, Like it's just not the same on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's just yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Like a whole long form like watching hour long YouTube
videos or someone just going through their day like that
whole like slow type of media influencer world is just.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Gone now yeah exactly. Now everyone has to get like
you have to grab people in the TikTok feed, get
them really in. That's why everyone is like a scandalous
take or a big take, and you wouldn't have that slow,
organic build anymore, which is really sad because sometimes I
also just want to have a little window into people's lives,
Like I also miss so many people I followed on
Instagram who would just do like fifty stories a day
(36:49):
and take you through their life. And now that luck
you say, maybe we should do that. I mean, look,
you and me watching each other's vie. I think they
would watch that. I just obviously don't we. I'm just
not going to commit to that at this time. But
if someone else wants to follow me around and post
my life, please do a lot of stuff happens every day.
Well that was yeah, super interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Hashtag wears a hound So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Ip Matha if anyone has seen Martha, if anyone knows
anything about her.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Must the Spill podcast. We'd love any evidence of Martha.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, and just justice. I think I just think we
need to, you know, say her name and get some
justice for her, because lest we forget if we get Martha,
who I didn't know existed until this moment. But I'm
all in on now and so we're sorry. We canople
watch this documentary.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
We can watch it on YouTube on Josh channel. We'll
link it's on YouTube, but it's already gained like millions
and millions of views. It's just so juicy. So if
you want to know the law, that's the law of
the Brick crew. Thank you so much for listening to
The Spill today. Do not forget to follow us on
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minichas Wine with sound production by Scott's Tronnik. And We'll
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be back here in your podcast people a weekend watch tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Bye bye,
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
From MoMA may I. Welcome to the Spell, your daily
pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm m Burnam and I'm Laura Brednick. I love how
we're just excited by that back we're back together, and
we are back together. I thank goodness because we have
a full docket today. We do so. Netflix has released
their list of the most watched TV shows and movies
for this year. Megan Markle is getting absolutely raked over
the coals for the performance of her show. People are
(00:49):
laughing at her, people are saying terrible things. Okay, a
little fact in there that she's actually had the last laugh,
so we'll get into that. Plus I love her. You
don't even know, well, I don't know about your segment
because you're going to tell me about some scandalous YouTube
drama that.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We're going deep into. The twenty twenty eleven to twenty
fourteen Brick Crew YouTuber law.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm so excited about that. I'm riginally on the edge
of my large velvet chair that I said, I get
to teach you something I know, I was excited. But first,
so this week Emily and I were sitting together in
the Mum Mirror office putting together a presentation that we're
doing soon, very professional of us, and as we finished,
I said, Emily, I saved a photo this week that
(01:30):
I thought we could do on the pod. But it's
too silly, it's too low brow. We're not going to
do it. But like, this is the photo and I
showed it to you and you said, we're doing that
on the pod.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
We're doing this on the pod because I've never experienced
so many feelings in one go from looking at a
photo in zero point two seconds.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, okay, so the photo one question. It has been
bubbling around the Internet and social sites and everything for
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But we're like, we definitely didn't think we'd be doing this. No,
a lot of big feelings happened.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, yes, so finger on the poles. We're doing it now,
but that's fine, just go with us. So the photo
in question that I held up my phone and showed
Emily Vernon showed actors and directors and also real life
married couple Dave Franco, the other Franco brother, and Alison
Brie sitting together, and it's actually from the first glance
at it, before you realize what's happening, it's very romantic.
(02:23):
They're sitting together on a blanket in the middle of
a beautiful park. There's trees, there's grass, there's greenery. They're
sitting close together. They're obviously madly in love. And what
people have taken issue with is that Dave's leg is
kind of He's sitting behind Alison Brie and his leg
is kind of sneaking around her, and his foot is
propped up on her leg. And in the video, because
(02:44):
there's video two. In the video and the photos, she
is just very casually, very lovingly clipping his toenails, and
people they are upset.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
A lot of people forget that Alison Brie and Dave
Franco are actually a huge power couple in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
But I'll never forget. I think about it every day.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
They are both comedy geniuses. They've come from massive, massive
shows Deve Franco of being James Rnko's brother and a
lot of comedy movies. Alison Brees come from Community, which
was a massive sitcom hit, and also they've done a
lot of interviews together because they direct and star and
a lot of TV shows and movies together. They work
together as a couple. And not only are they powerful
(03:28):
and extremely good looking, so good looking, so good looking,
but they're also funny. They're also down to earth. They're
also viby, they're casual. They know so much about each other.
They've been in each other's life for a really really
long time. And they have two cats and they're beautiful. Yeah,
and this was like the couple in Hollywood that I
was like, this is a couple I vibe with, like
me too, no ill feelings, They're just kind of doing
(03:49):
their own thing. They're never in the spotlight, spotlight. They're
always kind of on the side, and that's where they
want to be.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yes. And then I saw this photo, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It made me very upset. Okay, why Firstly, they're a
super rich, wealthy couple. They don't need to be sitting
in a park. They could do that in their back.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Rich people need oxygen as well, Yeah, they could.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Do that in they're like back yard, which I'm sure
was like acres long.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, it actually is. I've been a picture.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You don't clip your own toenails in a park let
alone the person you're with, and like you're in a
public space, you're on display for everyone. Firstly, you're on
display because you're a list Hollywood couple, so everyone's looking
at you anyway. And now you're infiltrating my space. Imagine
me lying under a tree reading. I'm reading The Great
(04:35):
Gaps Bee right now reading The Great Gap Speed under
my tree.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's important detail.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Finding my own business, eating my rap When I'm like,
what's that? What's that on my book? I think it's
a toenail?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay, if you sit that close to the couple that's
on you.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Where would that come from? And then I see in
the distance because they fly. If you've ever clipped toenails,
they fling, They fling like Yah.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
In the video she's pulling the toenail and throwing it
onto the grass next to them. Sorry, maybe you would
sit there as well. I'm sure the toenail will biodegrade
into the earth of once it came.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh my god. But the raccoons and the squirrels, is
that what they have in the US?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, and a lot of them they don't need that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I just think that is something you don't ever do
in public. Don't even do that in my house. Do
that in your bathroom.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The world is very much on your side. People are horrified.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
They god believe I'd be very upset.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
People think it's disgusting. Don't make me defend David frank Gross,
tell you to defend. I feel like I have to
know a few caveats to this, Okay. One is that
I must say people do think it's potentially a publicity
stunt for their new movie Together, which is a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And on Run Tomatoes, which is very rare.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, it's meant to amazing. The two of them make
great movies together, and they often co write, direct, co star.
He directs her in sex scenes, and they're both like,
we don't eat with other people, and they both say,
we don't care. These movies are our children. There are
passion projects we're both all in because they're mentally like
a very codependent couple in the movie. So it could
be a publicity stunt. I almost don't think it is,
(06:06):
because they've done some other publicity stunts together, like going
and making out of all the billboards for the movie
and then telling fans to go do that and post
their photos. This could be like what people think that
they went to the park, they paid the photographer to
come video them, and they released the video. But it's
a thin line to draw.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It just seemed so unlike them.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't think it's a publicity stunt. I think that
they're in the park having a chill time together because
they're in the middle of promoting a movie and that's
very stressful, and I think they are so in love.
Just remember, this is the couple. I don't know why
I know so much For their backstory, they met in
New Orleans for Mardi Gras. They were sitting across from
each other. They'd never met, they had a mutual friend.
They met at a dinner. They hooked up in New Orleans.
(06:45):
They like fell madly in love. He was filming in
New York. She went to save with him for a week,
and it was just meant to be a week long thing.
They had this wild time in New York where he
was filming, and that was meant to be kind of it.
And then she got in a cab and she was
going to the airport, knowing that he was flying to
Paris to film the rest of the movie. And she's
kind of like, I don't know when I'll see him again.
And then she opened her bag. Inside was a folded
up note from him saying, will you come to Paris
(07:06):
with me? And so then they went to Paris and
they've been madly in love ever since. That was like
ten years ago. So I think that she's just so
madly in love with this man that she loves him
toenails and all. And I don't think it was a
pre planned thing. I think they're sitting there chatting away,
having a lovely time in the park, and then she
looks down and says, wow, your toenails are really long,
and he says, yeah, it hurts every time I put
(07:26):
my shoes on. And she's like, oh my god, wait
a second, and.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She wearing any shoes, which the shoes off?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
They took their shoes off next.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Can I say story worse?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Can I just say, I don't think it's that bad.
They're married, they're in love, she's out home.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Don't make me part of it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I know. But the thing is, no one, no one
had to be part of it. If it's not a
publicity statting someone filmed them, that's on the person who
filmed and everyone who looked at it like they didn't
do it on the red carpet. Also, if it's your
I mean again, I'm not married. I don't know what
married people do. But I always remember when Jason Kelsey
was photographed out with his songs on and people were
zooming in on his feet and saying his feet are disgusting,
(08:05):
they're dirty, his toast disgusting, and everyone really pushed his wife,
Kylie Kelsey to like release a statement on the feet,
and she did, Oh my god, she did on her podka.
She was like, guys, those feet are in bed with
me every night. I sleep every night with those feet
against me. Of course, I don't think they're disgusting. They're
my husband's seat. And I think Alison Bree is the
(08:25):
same way. And I can't believe I'm the one defending this,
but I don't think clipping a partner's tone els is gross.
If you said to me, oh my god, I put
my back in my car, reach my toene els and
your feet will clean. I get you to wipe them first,
I would clip your tone elves.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
That's really romantic.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I know some people of a foot phobia. I don't.
I think it's fine wipe them first.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I just would like to just read my book in
the park lit.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, well, just know that next time we're in the park,
just be aware, David Frank gros tourneous. It could be anywhere.
So Netflix, who very famously doesn't really provide a lot
of data for their shows because I think like back
in broadcast TV ds, I mean we still do, but
just because we watch less free to air TV now,
in the next day, all the numbers of the more
(09:10):
watch shows would be available. But Netflix is a bit different.
Sometimes they let us know. Most of the time they don't.
They obviously have on the splash on the homepage most
watch shows, but there's no hard data behind it. So
a lot of the time we're just having to rely
on our grid chat.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It makes me.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Feel a bit like weird.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Co Okay, this minute I saw this list, I was
imade you like, imagine if Mom and Mia like published
all of our page yeares from me, like each of
us like half this many people read Emily's work of usus,
We're ready for us work, I'd be like, oh my god,
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, I know because like Amy Schreamer saw that her
movie Kind of Pregnant was like quite far up there
on the list, and she was posting that everywhere because
she got a lot of shit for that movie being
that and she was basically like, take that everyone. And
so some creators are having that moment, which I love
for them. So they released their data for the most
watched TV shows and movies for the first half of
twenty twenty five, so the first half of this year,
(10:06):
and at the top, and I really love This is
Adolescence with fourteen point eight million views.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Ah deserved. I feel like that show was the only
one that wasn't surprising. What was surprising is that I
completely forgot had happened because Okay, it was such like
a mini series. Yeah, And I feel like Netflix is,
especially alongside other streaming services, are really leaning into the
limited series. And I think that's come from a big audience.
De man, we're tired of waiting four years between each season. Oh,
(10:31):
just give us the beginning, give us the end, and
then give us something else after.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Well. I love shows that go from multiple seasons, but
I don't want a three year gap in between them.
I also love because usually we know what's going to be,
like the biggest show of the month, well before the
show comes out because you know, we get that info
from Netflix of where they're really putting all their time
and money for that release thing, for that release window.
And that's why, like behind the scenes, like we have
like these big content plans that I make about each show.
(10:55):
Adolescence was something they pretty much just dropped onto the
streamer and a few days later it just blew up.
So I think it goes to show that like these
little sleeper hits can still exist. Squid Game season two
is next, followed by Squid Game season three, both global hits. Yeah,
no surprise there, and then Zero Day the political drama,
missing new crime drama, lots of those things. The Gabby
(11:17):
Potito the American murder series of documentary also up there,
and Miss Rachel Mister Chel that's one in there for
the kids and the mom.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But all those parents are just have it on replays
a video over and.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's not triggering for Olivia Mant. Remember she said, just
off the cuff, she's like, I don't like Miss Rachel,
just personally, and then everyone was slammed. Everyone was like
stone her to death. And also Sirens in there, the
Meghan Faihie, she's nominated for that again. That seems like
one we kind of I guess you had these shows
that burn really hot and bright for about two weeks,
(11:51):
which I think is what those things like sirens do.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, what I found really interesting is that I feel
like sometimes me in particular, I become obsessed with the
shows that my friends are obsessed with, and it becomes
this bubble and you forget that that's not necessarily reflective
of the data. Yes, and what I really liked about
this list was that a show that we both loved
(12:13):
was like far up the Top, which I felt like
was very unexpected. It was Running Point, created by Mindy
Kaling starring Kate Hudson. We found that show so fun.
It had all the rights elements. It had Kate Hudson,
had Mindy Kaling, it had basketball, it had Chet Hanks.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Everything that we want. May think we personally wanted a.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Show was in that show. And the thing is is
that we actually didn't spend that much time talking about it.
I mean, it felt like we were the only two people.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Think we did a fair whack on Weekend Watch. We
did a whole segment devoted to the rise and law
of Chet Tanks. But yeah, I know what you mean, like,
we didn't do Brilliance, We didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Do a Brilliancet review, because it felt like no one
else was actually talking about it, no one else was
enjoying it. In fact, I knew a lot of people
who didn't like it at all, and I was like, oh, no,
it's not going to get renewed for another season because
it seems like no one's really getting amongst it. And
then it got renewed for another season, and now we
found out that it actually did really well.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think it's one of those shows that, like, I
think so many people watched the first episode and didn't
love it, and as we said at the time, like
we acknowledge it, it's slightly clumsy storytelling in the first episode.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's a lot of like world building where they had
to explain a lot about like basketball.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yes, and also it's just like and here's this character
and they do this, and this character is that. But
as we said, Running Point is great, the writing is great,
the performances are great. I was engaged till the very
very end. And yeah, and finally someone gave Chet Hanks
a break. That poor Nepo baby, and he's coming back
from season two, so that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
We did do a big tell all on Chat the
law behind Chat Hanks, which we will link in the
show notes.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It is one of my favorite episodes, I know, our
best work. Really. I also have to say, I know
we're being silly, but he's also been accused of some
pretty probably he is.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Really not good person.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, I can't stress that in This is not
an endorsement.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Colin Hanks, however, great bit boring.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah yeah, he didn't have the arc that would get
him a whole segment. So as people walk delving into
the list, and like, I also love that the movie
back in Action that Cameron Diaz came out of retirement
to do with Jamie Foxx.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Movie. Love that movie.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's so good. I love Cameron Diaz an Action.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So it also just kind of feels like the kind
of movie that would have been number one at the
box office back in the day when you just like
in the cinema, Yeah, in the cinema, back in the
day when it was two huge stars who we do
have a lot of chemistry in a movie together. And
the plot's kind of fine and the action sequence is fine,
but it's more their performance together and instead now that
just drops on Netflix. But it's fine. So if you
haven't watched Back in Action, well but apparently you will
(14:37):
have me being like, have you guys watched the number
one movie in the world? Were too britt just on
back and actually came ages ago hey no no, no, no,
no no. So as people were delving into the list
looking for their fase like running point like you were
deep breath, people came across some information that frankly, everyone
(15:00):
just couldn't wait to clap their hands about gleefully. And
that is the fact that Megan Mankle's lifestyle and cooking
series with Love Meghan. Ye, you've got to pause because
there's a comment there for the Megan ranked only three
hundred and eighty three on the list, so three hundred
and eighty three of all the shows that were watched
(15:20):
in that period.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
This was very surprising to me because we've talked about
Love Megan, Yeah multiple times.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Did we do a Brillian Yes, obviously we did. When
we spent the first twenty minutes on the Bees, He's
just christ.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yes, we did the Bees and Mindy Kayley.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, and you guys, that was I think it's one
of my most listened to brilliant reviews.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
After you haven't because you clearly haven't watched make.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It, because we watched every second We'll link it in.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We watched it the day came.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Out like all of the episod all of one night,
and I had to watch it again. Okay, so I'm part
of these views, like I held think you're all three
time all of these views. So it actually, I should say,
as much as everyone's calling a disaster, it did have
five point three million views, and anywhere else in the
world for any other streamer, for a lot of countries,
that would be the number one through the roof. It's
(16:11):
just because Netflix numbers are so.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Huge five point three million views. We get a few
million hits on ours from our videos. So I'm like,
for me, it was surprising because yesterday is a big number.
But in contrast of everything that happened to get that
series made, we know it was a multimillion dollar Netflix deal,
so Netflix actually paid her to do this series, and
(16:34):
it looks like they got nothing out of that deal
essentially because no one watched it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, I think that's a thing with Netflix, so and
their kind of business plan of what we know it
is is that they just take a huge volume of
stuff and they throw it kind of all the war
and they had this idea that they'll every weekend they
release a show that's like you've got to binge it
this weekend, and the Megan Markle Show was just the
one for them at that time. I Mean, the thing is,
like I think a lot of people looked at the
starter and were like, oh, that's so embarrassing for Megan Markle,
(17:01):
And like, in a way it is because it does
show that, like the star power that a lot of
people attached to her doesn't translate into actually watching the
content that she makes. But on the other hand, she
kind of has had the last laugh if you look
at the overall plan, because they got that huge deal
with Netflix, which is already coming to an end this year,
(17:23):
Like that was the official end date. The rumors are
that Netflix is not renewing it as an official deal
with Harry and Meghan, but they will do more of
like a first look deal with them for future projects.
But the end of the day, she got paid a
bomb to make that show. Her hands are all over it.
She got to make the show she wanted and put
out into the world, and she got to showcase all
the products and things that were going to be in
(17:44):
her lifestyle line, which she has now released. And every
time she does a drop of Cellelles out, so sorry
that woman's laughing all the way to the bank. Has
her She also, in.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
The deal, made two seasons that she filmed back to
backs because we saw like the first look of the
first season. So I remember you were saying when we
were talking about this topic, you were saying, she actually
won like it, like it won't ever look like Netflix
canceled the show because it wasn't doing well because you
already signed on.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
To DC and she always said it was going to
be two seasons. And now also she's been in the
editing booth, like she's talking about the fact that she's
controlling this new season, which we don't have a really
state for yet, but she's getting to make exactly the
content she wants and it can be packaged up as
it was only ever meant to be too. So as
much as like I know, everyone's trying to pull this
story out and make it look like she's this huge failure.
(18:31):
And again, obviously it would have been better for her
if it was like higher up the list, it's pretty
far down. But at the end of the day, she
got the money and she got the kick back to
her product line.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, and it's just her haters, right seeing her at
the bottom of the list and going haha, yeah exactly,
exactly like that, and then they just like like blocking
their ears of everything else that's going on.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well exactly. There's so many shows in there, like in
the mix that like have had a huge amount of
money behind and that also ten. And it's also.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Highly competitive, right, like Netflix releases so much content, like
and if this list is literally Netflix's shows competing with
each other, so obviously there's going to be like shows
that you really really love that are well on the
bottom running point up there or not in the top
ten in.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So we can do a brilliant review and then make
it top Yeah exactly for next time. So super interesting
to see all the data. And as much as everyone's
kind of demonizing Megan Markle today, she always leans on
her feet. I'll say that so far, she's guys, She's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'm gonna start this off with a story.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Oh okay, well I'm just getting comfeet. Okay, I'm good,
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We're taking her back to twenty and eleven. Oh okay,
I am. I think around like fourteen, fifteen years old.
I'm at school. I'm ready to go home because I
have things to do. Yeah, I get home from school.
Usually usually I get home from school and I turn
on the TV and they either watch Disney Channel or Nickelodeon.
(19:58):
Yeah it's different today, there's been a switch. I get
home and the first thing I do is open my
little laptop and watch YouTube.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Wow, and what are you watch it on YouTube?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay? I have eight videos to get through from eight
different people. And this is exactly what everyone in my
generation during twenty eleven to around two thousand and fourteen
fifteen were doing every day after school, was just watching
these YouTubers. Now, these YouTubers are called the Brit Crew.
(20:32):
Have you heard of the Brit Crew?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I mean that name is definitely familiar, but I'm not
across their law, or their history or even all the
members involved.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Okay, so this is probably like peak YouTube, where YouTube
turned from something that you would take videos of, like
people making pranks on other people, people doing skits with
other people, and you'd show your friends to more of
like a cultural zygeist of this is part of my
day now, it's like watching my YouTube shows and then
I go to bed and do everything else. So it
(21:00):
ended up it became this thing where we swapped watching
TV after school to watching YouTube channels after school. And
brit Crew was made up of these eight early twenty
some of them were like late teens, these eight individuals
who were all British, and they started to do something
different to all the other YouTubers. Instead of like making
skits and doing prank videos and doing these really curated
(21:22):
videographer kind of directoral videos, they just started to show
their lives and they started making millions of just sharing
their personal life. Yeah, and they were so ahead of
the curve. So you know how now we have beauty
influencers who do like makeup reviews and do brand deals.
Think about back in the day where there were before
any legalities around that, and like a YouTuber could sell
(21:48):
a mascara and there's no legalities of them having to
say this is sponsored, this is spon con.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Right, they could they could just be like a recommendation
and then raking all the money behind them.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And that's exactly what they were doing because like it
just didn't bring that. It didn't exist stright like the
governments had to catch up after their death.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And no one saw YouTubers like a legitimate business or
like legitimate personalities, I mean, aside from the fans who
were watching it, so no one thought they had to
be regulated at this exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And then these guys were just doing it. And these
are teenagers making millions of their videos and also getting
millions of views. So what was fascinating about this group
of brick Crew guys was that they literally were doing
like I'm not even exagerate when I say that the
shittest content, like the worst content, but it was just
(22:32):
so new and fresh, and they became these massive celebrities
in my head that they were just like all I
could talk about, all my friends could talk about. It
felt like we were there with them, kind of like
how people feel towards podcasters and influencers. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
They were like the og that very intense parasocial relationship.
And was it also that like I know, obviously like
Nickelooney and Disney Channel and stuff was super entertaining. But
you're watching that, I'm assuming like on the family TV
in the living room. It's made by adults and then
it's been given to you, Whereas was there something kind
of like did it make you feel like a bit
rebellious that you were going into your room on the
computer watching content that was made by another teenager, like
(23:07):
it's chatting out all the middleman, all the parents and everything.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And it felt just more real. Where it's like you
definitely knew even as a kid that like the Miley
Cyrus and the drag Bells were like still actors and
they were still off this level that you couldn't reach,
Whereas like these YouTubers felt accessible, They felt like my friends,
They felt like they knew what was going on in
my life. Vice versa such a cool kid, I.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Was, Yeah, So I want to tell you really cutting it,
I know, maybe we wouldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I want to tell you about the members because what's
happened now, and why I want to talk about this
now is that a two part documentary series on the
Brick Crew has been released by someone who was kind
of in the Brick Crew but towards the end before
they just kind of dissipated. His name is Josh Peters,
and he might sound familiar because he did that documentary
(23:52):
on that only fans creator who slept with one hundred
men in the day. Oh yes, so everyone knows him
from that, but I knew him from the Brick Crew
days and I was like, Josh, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Like I know you, sir.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So he's on the tail end of the Brick Crew,
which is why I think he felt like he couldn't
make this documentary because he wasn't fully in it, and
he tried to make it while also still being friends
with them and stuff like that. So the Brick Crew,
there's a lot of people who have kind of come
in and out, but I want to talk about the
eight main ones. So we have Zoe, sug and Alfie
Days okay, the King and Queen of the Brick Crew,
(24:29):
the G's. So they're a couple. They didn't start off
as a couple. They became a couple. It was like
this whole big deal when it was found out they
were a couple because like Jim, who's another member, like
accidentally posted a photo of Zoe's laptop which had them
kissing on the background, and that's how everyone found out
they were a couple.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Content careers, did they wish that they could wish could
create drama like that.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Speaking of Jim So, he was also in the Brick
Crew with his partner Tanya Burg. They were like a
couple of friends with Zoe and Alfie. They got married,
it was like all over like YouTube, like their whole
life journey. They actually got divorced shortly after they got married,
which was massive. They had massive statements out there. Another
couple friend was Marcus Butler and his partner and Naomi.
(25:12):
They were also together for a long time. They also separated,
just same deal.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Massive rough out there. What fame will do to you rough.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We then have Zoe's brother, Joe sug.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh, yes, and ward of him.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I would have heard of him because he was on
UK's Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So now he don't think that's why.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
She's become a big celebrity now, like he's on British
bake Off, like he's doing all the reality stuff now.
And his roommate Casper Lee, who was like the biggest
YouTuber out of all of them before they created this group.
So they all started off as like individual YouTubers and
then they realized to grow you have to also connect
with other YouTubers who are bigger than you make content
(25:52):
with them so they can put on their channels and
then you can grow kind of like how TikTok influencers
do it now.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
They go and cross each other, and I know that
there's lots of little pockets in different countries, like Australia
had that there was a time when like all these
different influencers came together as one big unit to farm
each other's audiences. They knew that people were more engaged
in seeing them together. And I think that's what all
those TikTok content houses are now, right, Like they're a
more formalized version of that. And I know those do
really good numbers, but I feel like it doesn't because
(26:18):
people know that you come into the house and you
like book your room and you spend the whole time
doing content. Like again, it feels too sanitized to go
back and recreate these kids doing it by themselves exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And they also didn't at the time, didn't realize how
big they were. So in the documentary, Josh Peters tries
and interviews all the members because he wants to get
down to like the point of like how did the
brick crew become this massive thing doing like these massive
events kind of like Comic Con, that like level of
events they would do, and all they would do is
(26:50):
literally just say hi to people on stage. Yeah, because
everything else they did was like in their bedroom, wanting
us to change, Like how do you convert that into
real life? So doing these like massive events, like gaining
these millions and millions of views, they would literally walk
down the street and the street would literally have to
have police to block it because people would just be
following them.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That is just wild, Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And now they are much better because now they're like
full blown adults in their thirties, They're like much better
at being private. A lot of them still post on YouTube,
a lot of them have moved to different countries and
are doing something completely different and are completely offline. But
what Josh wanted to do was like see how the
brit crew transformed and also what happened to them, because
all of a sudden, they just kind of dissipated the
(27:31):
whole crew. And it happened during a time when I
stopped watching because I obviously grew up. I started watching
different things, and then I tapped back in recently because
I was like, oh my god, I didn't know these
guys are still making videos.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Is one of my friends up to Zoey and Alfie
have two kids. Yeah, isn't one of them called Otterly
and that and that was a huge skiff that when
it happened. That's just a beautiful name for sure. And
the other one is nov Okay. Sorry, those actually the greatest.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Beautiful names and cute girls. It's like one of those
like families where you're like, oh, that's what I want.
And the million dollar mansion that they would have made
the money on from when they were nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and it's now kind of set forever because of
all the forever fame and the wealth of their recruit
to manage to hold onto all of them really questionable
how much they film their kids.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But yeah, I actually do think they're pulling back on
that because I've noticed in recent photos Zoe's posting, she
hasn't been posting her older girl's face Ottie's face.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah. Well, I guess again, because they're the pioneers in
that space, they would have just been like, well, we
share our lives and all these people love us, why
wouldn't we show our kids because they're with us all
the time and they're the biggest part of our life.
So I get that, but I guess as time goes on,
people are becoming more aware of how dangerous that is
and they're starting to pull back a little bit. Yeah,
it's just kind of hard when you're on the front lines,
like you're the first one doing a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
What I noticed when I started rewatching them again was
that the tonus shifted right because every second video it'd
be like the crew together, or like one person from
the crew with Zoe and Alfie, or Zoe and Alfi
going to like Marcus is ours Jim and Marcus and
Alfi doing stuff together, and they're very much siloed, and
it seems like that they not only aren't friends anymore,
but they just completely acknowledge that whole period of their life.
(29:10):
So Josh wanted to investigate what happened during that by
interviewing people. What was really interesting was that he included
screenshots of messages he was sending Zoe and Alfie to
see if they would be interviewed, and they just never
applied to him.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That is sorry, that's incredible access for us to kind
of sad that, but I guess he also wanted to
show that he was trying to include.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, and he was like, I just want to hear
your guys side of the story. It's hard to tell
who Alfie and Zoe are still friends with. But this
whole thing the one question that everyone wants to know.
And you're gonna laugh at this because they've taken it
so seriously. So I want to talk about Jim and
Tanya Burr, who the ones who were married and then
got divorced quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
After how long will they married? Just a few months?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I reckon it was like under a year? Yeah, so
when they had statements about that, yeah, and they both
have new partners and they both have kids with their
new partners. Okay, so it seems very weird because for me,
it's like mum and dad have divorced and now they
have kids and now they don't acknowledge each other at all.
When they were together, they had a dash out they.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Might okay, that already funny.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
They had a dash out named Martha. They got divorce,
they put the statement out. Since then, Martha has not
been seen.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Oh my god, Martha is a casualty of the breakup.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Every single comment on all of Tanya Burr's post is
where is Martha to the point where people think she's
gone in her back end and automatically blocks words that
say dashound Martha dog.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But like, surely one of them took the dog or
do you think it was too painful?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
They had think Birr took the dog. I'm not even
joking when I say this. There was a hashtag that
was trending for like a year and it was hashtag
wears the hound. No, but seriously, so Tanya actually declined
to be interviewed by Josh.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
She said it was not Martha's bodies, like in the
backyard something.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
There were some really awful rumors around like what happened
with Tanya Burr, which I really feel for her because
I really loved her, I really loved her content. What
she did was she moved away from you completely and
wanted to take on acting. She kind of had a
Megan Markle edit where people were just finding videos of
her acting and plays and stuff and going, how shit
is this? Like she cheated on Jim. It's so obvious,
(31:21):
like making up really awful rumors, and one of the
big ones was like where the hell is Martha? So
Josh did manage to get an interview with Jim okay,
and he was like, where's Martha the first.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Time he's asked a question?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And Jim was like, it's become this big thing, and
he said and this really annoyed me about Jim. He
was like, I feel like I can't say because it's
not my story to tell because I wasn't in the
decision making process.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Okay, well, it's obviously not Martha's story to tell because
one she can't speak, and too, I hate say it.
I think she's He did say she is fine. Sorry,
I don't believe that. He said, I want a picture
with like, I want Martha holding up a newspaper with
a date on to prove that it's a recent picture.
And I don't want her to look like she's under duressed. Parka.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
He's like, said, I promise you she's fine.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It means nothing to me.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It just wasn't my decision of what happened to it.
And I'm like, Jim, you're.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Making it worse, making it so much worse. Can I
just say I don't think famous people should ever introduce
their pets the world. It never ends well. The Kardashians
have actually do so many cover stories because they bring
these pets in and they put them all over their
cameras and they obviously decide they hate them or they die,
and then they have to come up with these cover
stories of like, oh, Mercy went to live with a friend,
(32:40):
Mercy hasn't been seen again. And also Megan Markle too,
she had to leave one of her dogs in Canada
when she moved to the UK. That was a huge story.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It's just, yeah, I think if they said something like
Martha's on a farm or Martha's being.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So that also sounds like Martha's.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Like say something, They've literally not said anything. They refuse
to mention Martha at all.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Guys, I think Martha is gone from this mortal coil.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
It's become this whole thing. He also interviewed Naomi and Marcus,
who had they haven't said anything about Martha Martha the
storyline of Martha's unfortunately, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's literally all I care about it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But Naomi was talking about how she came into the
friend group like a bit later, and then Zoe and
Alfie helped her start a YouTube channel, and then after
she broke up with Marcus, she also had to break
up with her friends and She's like, we were family.
We were best friends. Me, Tanya and Zoe were like family.
And she was crying, and I was like, this actually
would have because they would have been like in their
early twenties, like kind of like forming years, and yet
(33:38):
they're like so big and so professional. And they also
were all signed to the same pr agency before pr
agencies were even a thing, Like they were getting these
massive deals and they were essentially kids. And this is
all blown up into like what the hell happened? And
what really sucks is that Zoe and Alfie didn't do
an interview, which I feel like would have made them
(34:00):
come across so much better if they did, regardless of
not saying anything. So Joe sucks. Zoe's brother was meant
to be interviewed in the second part. He was in
all the promo and stuff. And then during watching the
second part, which was only released a few days ago, Yeah,
Josh said that he recalled his interview.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
He said that after watching the first part of the
documentary series, he felt like what he said in his
interview was just untrue to the image he wanted to
put out there.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Interesting because normally also once to give an interview, like,
that's it. If you've said it on the record, it's
on the record.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
So he definitely has footage of this interview and he
just hasn't posted it because Josh is still friends with
all of them.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, well again it must. I feel like he definitely
could have because you would have had a release signed
to film and all that kind of stuff. So that's
the thing. You can't normally recall an interview unless you
have a personal connection to the person you want to
maintain that relationship, or there was something big happening behind
the scenes that legalities could have been involved. But that's
huge to have the footage and not err it.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, I just felt like after watching this documentary, I
didn't know what I wanted out.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
It did as like an old school OG fan. Did
you feel kind of some sort of closure watching it?
Did it not help him out?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I felt It's sad actually, because I thought it was
just gonna be the rumors are a spiraling on why
they all kind of broke up and dissipated. I thought
there was gonna be like heated. I thought people would
have stuff to say about each other, but it just
ended up being so wholesome of them just being so
nostalgic and reminiscing on the past, but it was very definitive,
as if like I'm so glad this happened to me,
(35:31):
but I'll never go back there again. They just felt like,
oh no, these friendships have truly ended and they've all
just moved on, which so many people do. We just
don't put our lives out there like the same way
they have, and it just made me feel really sad.
They're like, oh no, we probably will never get a reunion,
like it will just be that's on the card. It's
not on the cards. And they because of like I
(35:52):
feel like how public their lives have been and how
crazy they've been, they've become so private now that their
content type has also changed, like Zoe and Alfie are
so careful about what they put out there, and a
lot of the YouTube videos they now publish are because
they're getting paid to do it, like they all have
ad in the title. Yes, and it's still good content,
but it's not like the content that we used to get.
And I feel like we're now in an era where
(36:14):
like the younger generation will never see that like raw
side of influences, Like it's just not the same on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's just yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Like a whole long form like watching hour long YouTube
videos or someone just going through their day like that
whole like slow type of media influencer world is just.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Gone now yeah exactly. Now everyone has to get like
you have to grab people in the TikTok feed, get
them really in. That's why everyone is like a scandalous
take or a big take, and you wouldn't have that slow,
organic build anymore, which is really sad because sometimes I
also just want to have a little window into people's lives,
Like I also miss so many people I followed on
Instagram who would just do like fifty stories a day
(36:49):
and take you through their life. And now that luck
you say, maybe we should do that. I mean, look,
you and me watching each other's vie. I think they
would watch that. I just obviously don't we. I'm just
not going to commit to that at this time. But
if someone else wants to follow me around and post
my life, please do a lot of stuff happens every day.
Well that was yeah, super interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Hashtag wears a hound So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Ip Matha if anyone has seen Martha, if anyone knows
anything about her.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Must the Spill podcast. We'd love any evidence of Martha.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, and just justice. I think I just think we
need to, you know, say her name and get some
justice for her, because lest we forget if we get Martha,
who I didn't know existed until this moment. But I'm
all in on now and so we're sorry. We canople
watch this documentary.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
We can watch it on YouTube on Josh channel. We'll
link it's on YouTube, but it's already gained like millions
and millions of views. It's just so juicy. So if
you want to know the law, that's the law of
the Brick crew. Thank you so much for listening to
The Spill today. Do not forget to follow us on
TikTok at the Spill podcast. The Spill is produced by
minichas Wine with sound production by Scott's Tronnik. And We'll
(37:54):
be back here in your podcast people a weekend watch tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Bye bye,
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