April 29, 2025 • 25 mins
On the show today, we have an insider review on Jameela Jamil’s Australian tour, including a discussion around why some people chose to leave.
Plus, a video of Chappell Roan and her assistant on a red carpet is going viral, and people are a tad furious about it. We’ve now watched the video from every angle, and we have some wildly different thoughts about what happened.
And Travis Kelce has very publicly unfollowed Ryan Reynolds on Instagram, and now we have some interesting insight into what’s going on between Travis and Taylor Swift and Ryan and Blake Lively. There’s more to this story than what you’ll see in the headlines.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Kelly McCarron and I'm filling in for em for the.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Rest of the week Spillers because she's jetting.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Off to Perth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I know she's fabulous. She's going on mare out loud
to her, she's dead to us, No, she's we love
that curl stuck with me. I'm spending nearly every night
this week with her going to events, so I feel
like I'm getting the full Emily Vertum fix even though
she's not in the pod. But she's in Perth at
the end of the week. She's flying out to Perth.
But we've got two other big premieres.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Actually, she's just doing prep and stuff ready, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But I will talk about those big premieres when we
do week. How much this week so a little tea.
It's going to be a big week. So coming up
on the show today, lots to chat about. One is
that there's a bit of a feud between two famous men.
Well it's not a few yet, but it can be
a few. Well, I mean I don't know yet, not yet.
I've seen some stuff a legal feud, if you will,
(01:19):
between Travis Kelcey and Ryan Reynolds. So we're going to
talk about that. Plus a video is going absolutely viral
of Chapel Road doing something potentially awful on a red carpet.
I don't know. I've watched this video from every single
angle and I have thoughts. So we're going to get
into that.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
But first, So Jamala Chimil wrapped up her Australian tool
last night and if you don't know who that is,
and I have to say that, Laura, because I was
out on Friday with a big bunch of girls and
I was like, oh my god, I'm so excited I'm
going on Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And they all were like, who really?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Why? That's shocking to me.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I completely agree, but I feel like in our world
it's shocking.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I guess, well, I don't know. I guess like
she was really famous in the UK for a very
long time. I didn't know her then. I only knew
her from the good place where she placed to Harney
because she is such a breakout character from that incredible
show if you haven't watched it, one of the best shows, Mala.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So Feel Good, It's incredible. But if you don't know
who that is. She is a self proclaimed feminist in progress, actor,
activist and presenter, so as I said, I actually went
to her show in Sydney on Saturday and our future
Prime Minister Hannah Ferguson facilitating conversation, and I loved it.
It was really warm, It was clever, funny, reflective and honest,
(02:33):
and I think every single person who went would have
left just really thinking a little bit differently about certain topics.
I love going to things like that because you get
to see you sort of get a feel for what
someone's actually like. And she was endearingly nervous, which I
found really surprising given she has been public, like had
a public job, of public profile for so long. But
(02:57):
you can still get in front of a thousand people,
have so many thousands of people the State theater holes
get really nervous. Like she raced on stage with her handbag.
She forgot to leave her handbag out the back. That's
really cute, and well, I.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Was like, why she brought her handbag.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But then I saw her say something on Socials later
about that she was so nervous, so she just forgot
like a proper big handbag.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
She dropped the sea bomb within the first five ten minutes,
which we just love. She screamed at everyone to leave
our labbier alone and not to bleach your buttholes. Great
into stop buying shit.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
She was on really good life advice on her. She
was just really really great.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And it was also so funny because at every single
show she had a different incredible feminist leader or speaker,
like hosting, facilitating conversation. So the second half was Q
and A. So Hannah was like they were coming through
on the iPad and she was reading them out and
just watching her get so trying to manage Jamilla, who's
(03:53):
obviously like that little bit nervous she's on. She reminded
me a lot of myself when someone's trying to manage
me and get me back on track. But then she
just started being like, oh, and then just suck his
dick or whatever. Hannah Ferguson's just like, oh my god,
can you just stick to the topic of whatever it was.
It was just really funny and it was really nice
to I've never been to something like that that was
(04:14):
so big but still really just natural and off the cuff,
and you could see her thought process about different things
happening in real time.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Which was really good.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And it was quite interesting because she spoke about so
many different topics like everything, beauty standards, men, raising children,
living with the big bunch of people, like so many
different things. But she did speak about calling out behavior
and that it doesn't really need to be aggressive, it's
okay to be challenged, do it with compassion, and that
people are allowed to make mistakes and it's not about
(04:47):
canceling but providing a platform for accountability and growth, which
was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That she spoke about that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And then straight away after last night's show, maybe it
was no it was the Sunday night show. This lady
who attended the Brisbane show actually jumped on TikTok and
did a whole speech about how her and her friend
left halft way through the show because of Jimila's stance
on men and empathy and this person, I will say
she offered up her criticism in really respectful way that
(05:16):
I thought had the potential to open up a great conversation,
but the TikTok comment section is always just full of
people going, I don't like that person. Well that's fine,
but that's not actually offering anything that is helpful in
any way to the conversation. I also just really struggle
with someone coming out and saying that they just didn't
(05:37):
want to listen to the rest of the conversation so
they left. So what you spent one hundred and twenty
dollars decided didn't want to finish listening to what that
person said so left. It's okay that you don't agree
with people with every single thing that they say, but
if you respect that person enough to pay to listen
to them talk, listen to the rest of their bloody conversation.
I just thought it was really interesting given that she
spoke about that during the shows.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, that is interesting because I didn't get to see her,
which I was disappointed at just because I find her
really fascinating and I followed everything that she said for
a really long time. But I was seeing all the
posting from the Sydneys to show of people like real
loving the content and did you see that she shared
your story?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Thank you for noticing, like, thanks for bringing it up
literally to millished it squealed like I was so excited.
I wanted to then DM it, but I was like, no, no, Kelly, don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's just that I loved your handbag. You should bring
them on stage all the time. And then I was
watching the talk around the Brisbane show, which the majority
of people who went to that loved it, and I
saw all the socials from there. But I did find
it interesting that a few women and again only a
small number, but I think because they've put like a
lot of content out about it, it's kind of like
a lot of people have seen it circulating that they
didn't agree as you were saying, with some of the
(06:42):
ideas of what she was saying in terms of like
calling men in and saying that men have had really
difficult lives because they've had to and I'm paraphrasing here
what she said, because I'm sure it was a much
bigger conversation. Have had to build the world and go
through wars and all that sort of stuff, and they
need to kind of be like called in. But I
also thought it was like a very this is what
happens a lot of the time when a lot of
women get together to share big ideas, like they would disagree,
(07:04):
and like a few people did leave the show.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Just it's okay to disagree, but why are you leaving?
It's just silly.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh yeah, there's that side of it. But I also
think it was interesting that then the conversation didn't turn
nasty of people talking about why, Like a lot of
the people who left the show were just sharing like
their thoughts, like this is what I was thinking. And
I know Jamila always says cool people in don't like
call them out, So that's what I'm doing. And I
thought it was interesting that we could have this big
and then the comment threads across like multiple platforms are
full of people kind of arguing this idea of like
(07:32):
the intersection of like feminism and pop culture and all
that sort of stuff. But it didn't descend into this
like nasty name calling that I saw. At least all of.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The comment sections that I saw were just useless, Like
it was offering.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That I think talking about this specific event of women
who were there, like the actual women, those women in
the room. Yes, we're having a ballad.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah thoughts, because we're all allowed to have our own thoughts.
We shouldn't agree with everyone. That's weird if you disagree
with every single thing that everyone says.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And the way that they were holding the conversations and
sort of opening up even though it's one sided, Like
I thought that it was very respectful.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, exactly. I think it's going to show that like
once like a group of women can get together and
have like really different ideas without it turning nasty.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Kelly and yeah talking about things and just using it
for cloud on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, anyway, I think a takeaway from that is like
watch the Good Place. That's a great show. And also
that's my takeaway. But also we interviewed Jamila and Jamil
for No Fils Take Kate Library you talk to her,
which is such a fascinating conversation, So I'll link that
in the show notes. If you want, one of the
people who didn't get to see her Australiantour, you can
kind of listen to all her thoughts on that podcast. Well,
something else that's unfolding over on the old TikTok app
(08:38):
is a video funny, yeah, a bit more, a bit
more intense. Is a video of Chapple Rode, who was
at the twenty twenty five Fashion Los Angeles Awards looking incredible,
which I actually think has been lost in this story
with this outfit. You know, her classic kind of almost
like medieval princess look with the big, huge, flowing sleeves,
(08:59):
and she's got a collar pulled up so you can
only see her eyes peeping out and her cascading red hair.
She looks incredible. So she was walking in the red
carpet the Fashion Awards, and of course there's a whole
pit of for topographers and videographers screaming her name to
get her photo. There's publicists rushing everywhere and moving all
the different stars along the red carpet. There's fans screaming.
There's a lot happening. But there's one particular video because
(09:22):
there's so many people with cameras that were shot from
about fifty different angles, that is going viral is a
video that looks like Chapel Road. She's walking down the
red carpet and then she comes across the pit of
photographers and it's almost like she's going to walk in
one direction, and someone says to her, like, oh it
to come over here. So she whips around and it
looks like she pushes her assistant, who is walking the
(09:43):
red carpet with her and kind of like dressed up
but in like assistant black to kind of like, you know,
bade into the background, which is what you're doing when
you're working one of those red carpets and it looks
like chapel if you watch it from a few angles.
Puts her hand up and pushes her away, and then
walks towards the photographers. And there's a very distinct look
on the assistant's face. I would say, like she kind
(10:03):
of looks a bit shocked, and then she does that
thing of like almost like an embarrassed huge smile or
like a grimace kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
She would have known that she pulled the face that
lots of cameras would have gotten, so she.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh, I'm smiling, I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, So you watched I don't know if you've watched
the fifty videos I've watched, but now you've watched them,
what was your vibe on this?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
She definitely pushed her, but I think that it's being
blown out of proportion. Like I think it was just
one of those moments where you go, oh, fuck, I've
got to go this way. You move you sort of push.
It wasn't a push as well. It was just like
a move out of my mind.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And I've seen the slow mo video is where she
kind of puts her hand up and it's more like
a tap and push out of the way.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
When I think of a push, I think maybe I'm
just a lot more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
When I think of a push, it's like it's a shove.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like yeah, like that assistant would have been on the
floor if I'd pushed.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Her pretty much like or just like sort of gone backwards.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Ye, if I'd pushed, I think she simply moved her
out of the way physically, And I think looking back,
she would have gone, oh my god, you know, I'm
so sorry, babe, that was so inappropriate, Like I shouldn't
have pushed you like that out of the way. I'm
really sorry that I physically touched you, blah blah blah,
And the assistant would have gone, oh my god, so fine,
And because she would have known, like I pulled the face,
but as you would if someone barged you out of
(11:10):
the but like it's being blown out of proportion. It
was not like I just don't think it's this big
thing of oh she's I do think that she's a
massive brat separate to.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This oh chapel, Yeah, oh yeah, tell us about that.
Why do you think that?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I just think she's an entitled little shit, and I do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I think that she's a brat, and I think that
a lot of her behavior is exactly why so many
people have a problem working with the younger generation, because
they are just so entitled.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And I'm aware that I sound like a business saying that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I do think that's why potentially
the video blew up so much. I mean, I think
one thing is that everyone's looking for these little viral
red carpet moments.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That they can then get their ten seconds of fame
off because on TikTok, like it's just been blown up,
as if I've never pushed past you to get something
or anyone Like, it's just I think that it's just
been blown up and it would have been so something
that they could have just been so fine.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I just think everyone's looking for these red carpet moments
because you know, that's how we have the lip readers
on stand by now, the body image experts, like they're
all out in force of red carpet, and I think
also a bit of it what you're saying is like
the build up of how Chapelmroon has been since she
really blew up. Obviously, I know she's been a musician
for over a decade and she'd been making music for
a long time, but really in the last two to
(12:22):
three years is when she's really blown up, and that
coincided with her having this really difficult relationship with fame
where I think a lot of people started to fall
in love with her music at the same time that
she was putting out those videos. Remember like saying to
fans like stop screaming at me, but also people were
like following her family like it got a stream.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And I think it's great to have boundaries.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But I do think that she behaves like a brat
in some ways, and I don't think that this has
anything to do with it, but I do think that
people are looking for any little thing of brat like
behavior to then push the narrative that she's awful and difficult,
when in reality, I think she's probably just a very
regular person that's in their early twenties that hasn't ever
worked for someone before, so they don't really know.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I wondered to back when she was doing a
lot of the award shows. So it's last year where
she screamed a photographer to like fuck off because allegedly
he was screaming at her. I don't know. There was
a lot of back and forth rather that situation. But
the thing is, because all the camera's on her, so
you get the video of her screaming in or you
context yeah, or you get there's lots of videos of
(13:26):
her screaming at fans, and like people like Justin Bieber
have been pulled up for that recently and being told
they're awful. So people like, well, if we're holding him
to account, we should hold Tapple. It's a whole situation.
But I just think that like red carpets and a
ward shows in general are just such like a hotbed
of these moments where celebs can like step in the
wrong direction or like move their face in the wrong
direction and then it just become drunk.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
They like slightly moved past someone and they shoved them like.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It reminds me of the Metgala a few years ago,
and it's quite a funny video where Kendall Jenna's standing
on the red carpet the men Gala, like you know,
six months in the making for this moment for her
to be standing there in this dress and everything, and
a security guard steps near her and like, without even
like looking over at him, it's like her arm just
like floats up and she puts it on his chest
and just like touches him slightly back. Get out of
(14:12):
my land late, well exactly, he was in the way,
and like again everyone was just like, oh, she pushed
the security guard, and I was like, I'm really sure
she placed her hand on his chest and like moved
him forward.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Just like Sarah, please move. And also would you not
want to be moved out of the way? If you were,
of course it would be nicer to be asked, but
that's not always an option.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, look as someone who is often stumbling in the
background of red carpets because the things you are, because
I always go to these big events where there's heaps
of celebrities on the red carpet, so I see all
this happening. And also like, I guess it's glamorous if
you're the big star, but a lot of like big celebrities,
like you have to go to a holding area you
have to wait, like I always want it so funny
the Metgal, the hours dressing up and then they've got
(14:50):
like every celebrity, no matter who you are, has to
go to a holding area and wait in line for
over an hour.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Hours of people in a line are so funny.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It's like you have the world's most famous people just
yeah and going, ah, so would you have for dinner?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I know, and they all look so well and then
allowed to bring a lot of their like their normal
big entourage just down the red car, but at things
like the met Gal because the guest list is so tight.
So it's the only time also.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Or Instagram, yeah they're doing content, they might just take
one picture.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it's the only time you see them roaming free.
That's why I think we get some of these like
funny little moments because they've been unleashed or they're being
like led down like cattle with so many people kind
of moving them around. So I do think it's more
so that we just get these like unfiltered moments because
every other time we see celebrities all of the time,
it's very much you know, very cultivated.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, momiating, Yeah perfect, But do you agree, do you
think she just definitely pushed her.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But it's not that big of video.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I think maybe again, it's such a quick video,
but I have watched it from every angle, just because
it's literally everywhere at the moment, and I think it
is about just really snowball. That's why it's like we'll
just jump in today, or we'll be the ones to
squash it and stop it from going any further. But idea,
I did think it was interesting, like the kind of
angle it does look like she whips around, bumps into
her and her assistant has like, oh shit, I'm in
(16:03):
the wrong place and kind of like jumps back, and
then everything just goes on as normal, and then you
have this one moment that's kind of blowing up. And
to be honest, I don't even think that Chubble will care.
Like I don't think she's gonna be one of those
people who's going to come out and like, ISSU a statement,
what are you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Sorry for being a little bit stressed on the red carpet? Yah?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Exactly, but anyway, red carpet, And I'm saying that I.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Team her, even though I've just said I think she's
a brash. It's okay to be brother. She's a good singer.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Exactly alright, or Travis Trav Travis Kelcey has reportedly unfollowed
Bryan Reynolds on Instagram as the actor continues to flap
his messy legal dramas around that are swelling around his wife,
Blake Lively.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Reports have said.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He made the social media move to distance himself from
Ryan amid the negative publicity that they are sort of
all enduring anyone that's even slightly close to them as
a result of the lawsuit with Justin Baldoni stemming from
the twenty twenty four film It Ends with Us and
subsequent sexual harassment claims.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yes, so, Ryan Reynolds has been walking the red carpet
and last week also that football team that he I
was gonna say adopted maybe that's the wrong word, that
he bought and like kind of brought to glory has
like had a big victory this week. There's been lots
of heartwarming social media footage around of Ryan Reynolds. It
feels like it's out of one of those nineties kind
of sports movies. So he's actually writing a very positive
wave at the moment. And at the same time, Blake
Lively has been walking a lot of red carpets for
(17:29):
her new movie, Another Simple Favor, and Ryan's been with her.
It's so funny talking about as we were just saying
about like lip readers and body image experts. Oh my god,
did you see the one I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, but just all of the ones that come out
about oh Blake Lovely and Anna Kendrick like, oh body image,
a body lip reading? Yeah, oh what's their body saying
about that? Oh my goodness, it's so funny. Actually, people
are literally just looking for cloud on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think those girls are actually doing fine.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
No, there's a body language expert who's given some interviews
today that are going everywhere saying that Blake was like
hypnotizing Ryan on the red carpet and controlling him.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I was like, oh, that sounds exciting. She's got
great boobs. She's done, and so like, haven't we all
done that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's the moment I was like, Oh, has the body
language gone too far? That that's well? Yeah. So the
other story that's kind of this week is that Travis
has unfollowed Ryan, and the thing about that is like
it seems like such a silly thing. But whenever celebrities
do it, they would have to be so aware, especially
those two boys, like they're in a social media game,
They're in the fame game, like they know what's up.
They're not you know, they're not doing that lightly. It's
(18:34):
such a big thing now to unfollow another celebrity because
it is such a statement.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
The fact that it's obviously some people's jobs just to try.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Like programs that tell you when someone Ye.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I'm imagining an intern or like an assistant level person
just sitting at their desk all day, like checking who's
following different people.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, apparently there's a lot. There's like programs you can get,
there's alerts you can get people on follow each other.
I got to figure that out because I would love
us to break and I'm following story. I alway seeing
other people post out and I'd.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Be like, I would be so embarrassed too, Yeah, because it's.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Like, why were you checking that, You're little weird, Well
have enough to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I guess people were checking because these two famous couples
are so embrailed in this kind of story at the moment.
So the Blake Lively justin Baldoni lawsuit, which feels like
it went on forever and has now kind of faded
away because Blake Lively put out her last statements about it,
and then Justin Baldoni published an entire website which is
still live that you can go and look at you
(19:30):
I forgot about that. It's every video, it's every text message. Basically,
Justin put every single thing about the case on our website,
and that all happened, and then we haven't seen it
in the news lately. So I think a lot of
people may be like it's blown over, it's settled, but
we're actually nearly a year out from the actual court
date where the legal case is going to again. Again.
It's not like a TV show like where they like
(19:51):
you arrest the person, they're in court the next day,
like it's going to take over a year, and so
they're in the moment now where they're still like gathering
a lot of evidence, and Taylor Stiff's name has been
brought into that. So if you kind of don't remember
this crazy time when all those text messages were made
public between Justin and Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni was talking
about Taylor's being in Ryan and Blake's apartment when he
(20:12):
thought he was going over for dinner. This is his story, obviously,
don't know what happened. He thought he was going over
for dinner and when he got there, Ryan and Taylor,
like he's saying, they were like lying in wait for
him to kind of like help Blake ambush him and
say that her rewrites so better, her script was better,
and they had to use that. And then of course
there was the very famous text message that came after
where Blake was alluding to like the dragons and calling
(20:34):
herself CALLSI from Game of Thrones to remember that no,
and she you and I live in very different world. Yeah,
that was a big That was a big thing at
the time.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I just love that. That's even a thing that makes me.
I love celebrities.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well they're so silly. Yeah, it aged kind of badly.
But what she was saying in the text message, if
it's real, which apparently it is, she was sort of
saying that she's the Kalisi. She fights for what she wants,
she gets what she wants, and she has these dragons
and it's Ryan and Taylor Swift, and she's like basically saying, like,
if you come into our circle, then they'll protect you
as well. If not, they'll destroy you, as the subtext.
(21:05):
And so Taylor Swift never commented on any of that,
even though, like when that big New York Times's article
came out with all the stuff around that Blake Lively
alleged should happen to her with sexual harassment on site,
a lot of her famous friends and her family put
out all these statements really siding with her and defending
her and being like the truths finally come out, and
people expected Taylor Sift to say something which she didn't,
(21:27):
which I can kind of understand putting her name into
that whole situation. And then Justin Baldoni's lawyer had said
that they probably wouldn't get Taylor Sift to testify, but
now they've changed their tune and saying like they'll potentially
will subpoena her and pull her into the court case.
She's so and yeah, I have to kind of be involved.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm trying to write some songs over here.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, although it could she.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Might write a great banger out of it.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, I mean, a Court Place album would do very well.
And so then the story has been recently that Blake
and Taylor are now on the Rocks, and they've been
like really close friends for over a decade. Taylor Sift
is the godmother to the majority of Blake Lively's four children.
I don't know about the last little boy, but has
like you know, said that they all call her aunt.
Taylor very close and Ryan and Blake were at multiple
(22:13):
of her eras tour with like their kids. When Taylor
Swift first went to watch Travis Kelsey play in the
Super Bowl when he won and they had that be killing. Yeah,
like Blake's with her and She's like, this is the
only time I leave my kids would be like to
support Taylor. They're like Pitture going to dinner in New
York multiple times, so they're like together all the time.
And then when this whole Justin Baldoni lawsuit blew up
with Blake Lively, we haven't seen them together since, so
(22:36):
that's why people think they're on the outs. And now
that Travis has unfollowed Ryan, it kind of looks like
he's really picking a side and the two famous couples
have split down the middle. Oh no, you're not shattered
by that. Your world's not shattered by that.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I know, shocking, Yeah, I think that they are probably
looking after this from a pr perspective and that they're
why do I say perspective like there's a purse involved
and never no, And I think that there's no way
that something so silly would blow up a friendship, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Just if it is silly though, like obviously I don't know,
but I think like it is a really big court case, like,
yeah it is, but personal documents and messages could be
made public.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But if it's a whole prop her friend because.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Of her, yeah, I've never really bought into that side,
and then.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A chance, like I think that she's probably like I
just simply for my career, I just am bowing out.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Having to sort of step And I think that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Ryan and Blake would just be like, yeah, that's fine whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I mean, I'm sure obviously would be a huge public
turning point for them to have Taylor Swiff come out
and sort of be on their side and defend them.
But I think with what she's doing at the moment,
which looks like she's completely kind of stepping out of the spotlight,
you're either going to be in on out. You can't
sort of go back and forth. But what I just
do think is interesting is that this whole story around
a potential feud between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni before
(24:00):
the movie came out, all really started publicly because Ryan
Reynolds unfollowed Justin Baldoni on Instagram. So it's like we've
always come full circle now with men with the men
like unfollowing each other, and that's when people were like, hang.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
On and starts following Justin, then I'll be well, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Don't think seeing that, but I just think it's it's
interesting how this whole thing started with two famous men
kind of unfollowing each other. And if you look at
the can you.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Imagine any bloke in your life doing something like I'm
just gonna go and full.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Of unfollow them? I know, and again, when you're famous,
it's such a big thing. But when Justin Baldoni or
his documents were made public, that was the catalyst with
his PR team, who was also now being sued by
multiple people that he said on the wall, they were like,
do we pull the trigger or do we just maybe
this won't be public. But once Ryan unfollowed Justin, that's
when his PR team said, like, pull the trigger, put
(24:50):
the Blake Lively smear campaign into action that they're getting
sued over. Now, that was like the trigger for it all.
So yeah, when you look at it like that, it
is a big deal. So I guess we'll have to
see if Travis says anything on his podcast that he
records with his brother, because that's usually where he like
talks about all of these things. But apart from that,
we're still a year out from the court case, but
there'll be a lot of information coming out before that.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I've gotten all these really important details.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, thank you so much for listening to The Spill today,
And if you'd like a bit of a visual guy
to what we're talking on the podcast, if you want
to watch the Chapel roone video from every Accule and
just give us your thoughts. Did she try to push
her assistant to the ground or not. We will put
that video up on our Instagram, which is the Spill
podcast on Instagram. We pose a lot of other things
there too, not just celebrities knocking each other.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Shoving you out of the way to get this record.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
We should reenact the video, you know how people try
and reenactive. Two people could have fit on the door
with the Titanic. We'll reenact if she could have shoved
her a different.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Way, nicer.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
The Spill is produced by Amy Kimball with sound production
by Scott Stronik, and will be back in your ears
at three pm tomorrow. Bye Bye,
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Kelly McCarron and I'm filling in for em for the.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Rest of the week Spillers because she's jetting.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Off to Perth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I know she's fabulous. She's going on mare out loud
to her, she's dead to us, No, she's we love
that curl stuck with me. I'm spending nearly every night
this week with her going to events, so I feel
like I'm getting the full Emily Vertum fix even though
she's not in the pod. But she's in Perth at
the end of the week. She's flying out to Perth.
But we've got two other big premieres.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Actually, she's just doing prep and stuff ready, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But I will talk about those big premieres when we
do week. How much this week so a little tea.
It's going to be a big week. So coming up
on the show today, lots to chat about. One is
that there's a bit of a feud between two famous men.
Well it's not a few yet, but it can be
a few. Well, I mean I don't know yet, not yet.
I've seen some stuff a legal feud, if you will,
(01:19):
between Travis Kelcey and Ryan Reynolds. So we're going to
talk about that. Plus a video is going absolutely viral
of Chapel Road doing something potentially awful on a red carpet.
I don't know. I've watched this video from every single
angle and I have thoughts. So we're going to get
into that.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
But first, So Jamala Chimil wrapped up her Australian tool
last night and if you don't know who that is,
and I have to say that, Laura, because I was
out on Friday with a big bunch of girls and
I was like, oh my god, I'm so excited I'm
going on Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And they all were like, who really?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Why? That's shocking to me.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I completely agree, but I feel like in our world
it's shocking.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I guess, well, I don't know. I guess like
she was really famous in the UK for a very
long time. I didn't know her then. I only knew
her from the good place where she placed to Harney
because she is such a breakout character from that incredible
show if you haven't watched it, one of the best shows, Mala.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So Feel Good, It's incredible. But if you don't know
who that is. She is a self proclaimed feminist in progress, actor,
activist and presenter, so as I said, I actually went
to her show in Sydney on Saturday and our future
Prime Minister Hannah Ferguson facilitating conversation, and I loved it.
It was really warm, It was clever, funny, reflective and honest,
(02:33):
and I think every single person who went would have
left just really thinking a little bit differently about certain topics.
I love going to things like that because you get
to see you sort of get a feel for what
someone's actually like. And she was endearingly nervous, which I
found really surprising given she has been public, like had
a public job, of public profile for so long. But
(02:57):
you can still get in front of a thousand people,
have so many thousands of people the State theater holes
get really nervous. Like she raced on stage with her handbag.
She forgot to leave her handbag out the back. That's
really cute, and well, I.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Was like, why she brought her handbag.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But then I saw her say something on Socials later
about that she was so nervous, so she just forgot
like a proper big handbag.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
She dropped the sea bomb within the first five ten minutes,
which we just love. She screamed at everyone to leave
our labbier alone and not to bleach your buttholes. Great
into stop buying shit.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
She was on really good life advice on her. She
was just really really great.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And it was also so funny because at every single
show she had a different incredible feminist leader or speaker,
like hosting, facilitating conversation. So the second half was Q
and A. So Hannah was like they were coming through
on the iPad and she was reading them out and
just watching her get so trying to manage Jamilla, who's
(03:53):
obviously like that little bit nervous she's on. She reminded
me a lot of myself when someone's trying to manage
me and get me back on track. But then she
just started being like, oh, and then just suck his
dick or whatever. Hannah Ferguson's just like, oh my god,
can you just stick to the topic of whatever it was.
It was just really funny and it was really nice
to I've never been to something like that that was
(04:14):
so big but still really just natural and off the cuff,
and you could see her thought process about different things
happening in real time.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Which was really good.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And it was quite interesting because she spoke about so
many different topics like everything, beauty standards, men, raising children,
living with the big bunch of people, like so many
different things. But she did speak about calling out behavior
and that it doesn't really need to be aggressive, it's
okay to be challenged, do it with compassion, and that
people are allowed to make mistakes and it's not about
(04:47):
canceling but providing a platform for accountability and growth, which
was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That she spoke about that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And then straight away after last night's show, maybe it
was no it was the Sunday night show. This lady
who attended the Brisbane show actually jumped on TikTok and
did a whole speech about how her and her friend
left halft way through the show because of Jimila's stance
on men and empathy and this person, I will say
she offered up her criticism in really respectful way that
(05:16):
I thought had the potential to open up a great conversation,
but the TikTok comment section is always just full of
people going, I don't like that person. Well that's fine,
but that's not actually offering anything that is helpful in
any way to the conversation. I also just really struggle
with someone coming out and saying that they just didn't
(05:37):
want to listen to the rest of the conversation so
they left. So what you spent one hundred and twenty
dollars decided didn't want to finish listening to what that
person said so left. It's okay that you don't agree
with people with every single thing that they say, but
if you respect that person enough to pay to listen
to them talk, listen to the rest of their bloody conversation.
I just thought it was really interesting given that she
spoke about that during the shows.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, that is interesting because I didn't get to see her,
which I was disappointed at just because I find her
really fascinating and I followed everything that she said for
a really long time. But I was seeing all the
posting from the Sydneys to show of people like real
loving the content and did you see that she shared
your story?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Thank you for noticing, like, thanks for bringing it up
literally to millished it squealed like I was so excited.
I wanted to then DM it, but I was like, no, no, Kelly, don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's just that I loved your handbag. You should bring
them on stage all the time. And then I was
watching the talk around the Brisbane show, which the majority
of people who went to that loved it, and I
saw all the socials from there. But I did find
it interesting that a few women and again only a
small number, but I think because they've put like a
lot of content out about it, it's kind of like
a lot of people have seen it circulating that they
didn't agree as you were saying, with some of the
(06:42):
ideas of what she was saying in terms of like
calling men in and saying that men have had really
difficult lives because they've had to and I'm paraphrasing here
what she said, because I'm sure it was a much
bigger conversation. Have had to build the world and go
through wars and all that sort of stuff, and they
need to kind of be like called in. But I
also thought it was like a very this is what
happens a lot of the time when a lot of
women get together to share big ideas, like they would disagree,
(07:04):
and like a few people did leave the show.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Just it's okay to disagree, but why are you leaving?
It's just silly.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh yeah, there's that side of it. But I also
think it was interesting that then the conversation didn't turn
nasty of people talking about why, Like a lot of
the people who left the show were just sharing like
their thoughts, like this is what I was thinking. And
I know Jamila always says cool people in don't like
call them out, So that's what I'm doing. And I
thought it was interesting that we could have this big
and then the comment threads across like multiple platforms are
full of people kind of arguing this idea of like
(07:32):
the intersection of like feminism and pop culture and all
that sort of stuff. But it didn't descend into this
like nasty name calling that I saw. At least all of.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The comment sections that I saw were just useless, Like
it was offering.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That I think talking about this specific event of women
who were there, like the actual women, those women in
the room. Yes, we're having a ballad.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah thoughts, because we're all allowed to have our own thoughts.
We shouldn't agree with everyone. That's weird if you disagree
with every single thing that everyone says.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And the way that they were holding the conversations and
sort of opening up even though it's one sided, Like
I thought that it was very respectful.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, exactly. I think it's going to show that like
once like a group of women can get together and
have like really different ideas without it turning nasty.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Kelly and yeah talking about things and just using it
for cloud on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, anyway, I think a takeaway from that is like
watch the Good Place. That's a great show. And also
that's my takeaway. But also we interviewed Jamila and Jamil
for No Fils Take Kate Library you talk to her,
which is such a fascinating conversation, So I'll link that
in the show notes. If you want, one of the
people who didn't get to see her Australiantour, you can
kind of listen to all her thoughts on that podcast. Well,
something else that's unfolding over on the old TikTok app
(08:38):
is a video funny, yeah, a bit more, a bit
more intense. Is a video of Chapple Rode, who was
at the twenty twenty five Fashion Los Angeles Awards looking incredible,
which I actually think has been lost in this story
with this outfit. You know, her classic kind of almost
like medieval princess look with the big, huge, flowing sleeves,
(08:59):
and she's got a collar pulled up so you can
only see her eyes peeping out and her cascading red hair.
She looks incredible. So she was walking in the red
carpet the Fashion Awards, and of course there's a whole
pit of for topographers and videographers screaming her name to
get her photo. There's publicists rushing everywhere and moving all
the different stars along the red carpet. There's fans screaming.
There's a lot happening. But there's one particular video because
(09:22):
there's so many people with cameras that were shot from
about fifty different angles, that is going viral is a
video that looks like Chapel Road. She's walking down the
red carpet and then she comes across the pit of
photographers and it's almost like she's going to walk in
one direction, and someone says to her, like, oh it
to come over here. So she whips around and it
looks like she pushes her assistant, who is walking the
(09:43):
red carpet with her and kind of like dressed up
but in like assistant black to kind of like, you know,
bade into the background, which is what you're doing when
you're working one of those red carpets and it looks
like chapel if you watch it from a few angles.
Puts her hand up and pushes her away, and then
walks towards the photographers. And there's a very distinct look
on the assistant's face. I would say, like she kind
(10:03):
of looks a bit shocked, and then she does that
thing of like almost like an embarrassed huge smile or
like a grimace kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
She would have known that she pulled the face that
lots of cameras would have gotten, so she.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh, I'm smiling, I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, So you watched I don't know if you've watched
the fifty videos I've watched, but now you've watched them,
what was your vibe on this?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
She definitely pushed her, but I think that it's being
blown out of proportion. Like I think it was just
one of those moments where you go, oh, fuck, I've
got to go this way. You move you sort of push.
It wasn't a push as well. It was just like
a move out of my mind.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And I've seen the slow mo video is where she
kind of puts her hand up and it's more like
a tap and push out of the way.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
When I think of a push, I think maybe I'm
just a lot more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
When I think of a push, it's like it's a shove.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like yeah, like that assistant would have been on the
floor if I'd pushed.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Her pretty much like or just like sort of gone backwards.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Ye, if I'd pushed, I think she simply moved her
out of the way physically, And I think looking back,
she would have gone, oh my god, you know, I'm
so sorry, babe, that was so inappropriate, Like I shouldn't
have pushed you like that out of the way. I'm
really sorry that I physically touched you, blah blah blah,
And the assistant would have gone, oh my god, so fine,
And because she would have known, like I pulled the face,
but as you would if someone barged you out of
(11:10):
the but like it's being blown out of proportion. It
was not like I just don't think it's this big
thing of oh she's I do think that she's a
massive brat separate to.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This oh chapel, Yeah, oh yeah, tell us about that.
Why do you think that?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I just think she's an entitled little shit, and I do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I think that she's a brat, and I think that
a lot of her behavior is exactly why so many
people have a problem working with the younger generation, because
they are just so entitled.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And I'm aware that I sound like a business saying that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I do think that's why potentially
the video blew up so much. I mean, I think
one thing is that everyone's looking for these little viral
red carpet moments.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That they can then get their ten seconds of fame
off because on TikTok, like it's just been blown up,
as if I've never pushed past you to get something
or anyone Like, it's just I think that it's just
been blown up and it would have been so something
that they could have just been so fine.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I just think everyone's looking for these red carpet moments
because you know, that's how we have the lip readers
on stand by now, the body image experts, like they're
all out in force of red carpet, and I think
also a bit of it what you're saying is like
the build up of how Chapelmroon has been since she
really blew up. Obviously, I know she's been a musician
for over a decade and she'd been making music for
a long time, but really in the last two to
(12:22):
three years is when she's really blown up, and that
coincided with her having this really difficult relationship with fame
where I think a lot of people started to fall
in love with her music at the same time that
she was putting out those videos. Remember like saying to
fans like stop screaming at me, but also people were
like following her family like it got a stream.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And I think it's great to have boundaries.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But I do think that she behaves like a brat
in some ways, and I don't think that this has
anything to do with it, but I do think that
people are looking for any little thing of brat like
behavior to then push the narrative that she's awful and difficult,
when in reality, I think she's probably just a very
regular person that's in their early twenties that hasn't ever
worked for someone before, so they don't really know.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I wondered to back when she was doing a
lot of the award shows. So it's last year where
she screamed a photographer to like fuck off because allegedly
he was screaming at her. I don't know. There was
a lot of back and forth rather that situation. But
the thing is, because all the camera's on her, so
you get the video of her screaming in or you
context yeah, or you get there's lots of videos of
(13:26):
her screaming at fans, and like people like Justin Bieber
have been pulled up for that recently and being told
they're awful. So people like, well, if we're holding him
to account, we should hold Tapple. It's a whole situation.
But I just think that like red carpets and a
ward shows in general are just such like a hotbed
of these moments where celebs can like step in the
wrong direction or like move their face in the wrong
direction and then it just become drunk.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
They like slightly moved past someone and they shoved them like.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It reminds me of the Metgala a few years ago,
and it's quite a funny video where Kendall Jenna's standing
on the red carpet the men Gala, like you know,
six months in the making for this moment for her
to be standing there in this dress and everything, and
a security guard steps near her and like, without even
like looking over at him, it's like her arm just
like floats up and she puts it on his chest
and just like touches him slightly back. Get out of
(14:12):
my land late, well exactly, he was in the way,
and like again everyone was just like, oh, she pushed
the security guard, and I was like, I'm really sure
she placed her hand on his chest and like moved
him forward.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Just like Sarah, please move. And also would you not
want to be moved out of the way? If you were,
of course it would be nicer to be asked, but
that's not always an option.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, look as someone who is often stumbling in the
background of red carpets because the things you are, because
I always go to these big events where there's heaps
of celebrities on the red carpet, so I see all
this happening. And also like, I guess it's glamorous if
you're the big star, but a lot of like big celebrities,
like you have to go to a holding area you
have to wait, like I always want it so funny
the Metgal, the hours dressing up and then they've got
(14:50):
like every celebrity, no matter who you are, has to
go to a holding area and wait in line for
over an hour.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Hours of people in a line are so funny.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It's like you have the world's most famous people just
yeah and going, ah, so would you have for dinner?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I know, and they all look so well and then
allowed to bring a lot of their like their normal
big entourage just down the red car, but at things
like the met Gal because the guest list is so tight.
So it's the only time also.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Or Instagram, yeah they're doing content, they might just take
one picture.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it's the only time you see them roaming free.
That's why I think we get some of these like
funny little moments because they've been unleashed or they're being
like led down like cattle with so many people kind
of moving them around. So I do think it's more
so that we just get these like unfiltered moments because
every other time we see celebrities all of the time,
it's very much you know, very cultivated.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, momiating, Yeah perfect, But do you agree, do you
think she just definitely pushed her.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But it's not that big of video.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I think maybe again, it's such a quick video,
but I have watched it from every angle, just because
it's literally everywhere at the moment, and I think it
is about just really snowball. That's why it's like we'll
just jump in today, or we'll be the ones to
squash it and stop it from going any further. But idea,
I did think it was interesting, like the kind of
angle it does look like she whips around, bumps into
her and her assistant has like, oh shit, I'm in
(16:03):
the wrong place and kind of like jumps back, and
then everything just goes on as normal, and then you
have this one moment that's kind of blowing up. And
to be honest, I don't even think that Chubble will care.
Like I don't think she's gonna be one of those
people who's going to come out and like, ISSU a statement,
what are you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Sorry for being a little bit stressed on the red carpet? Yah?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Exactly, but anyway, red carpet, And I'm saying that I.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Team her, even though I've just said I think she's
a brash. It's okay to be brother. She's a good singer.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Exactly alright, or Travis Trav Travis Kelcey has reportedly unfollowed
Bryan Reynolds on Instagram as the actor continues to flap
his messy legal dramas around that are swelling around his wife,
Blake Lively.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Reports have said.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He made the social media move to distance himself from
Ryan amid the negative publicity that they are sort of
all enduring anyone that's even slightly close to them as
a result of the lawsuit with Justin Baldoni stemming from
the twenty twenty four film It Ends with Us and
subsequent sexual harassment claims.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yes, so, Ryan Reynolds has been walking the red carpet
and last week also that football team that he I
was gonna say adopted maybe that's the wrong word, that
he bought and like kind of brought to glory has
like had a big victory this week. There's been lots
of heartwarming social media footage around of Ryan Reynolds. It
feels like it's out of one of those nineties kind
of sports movies. So he's actually writing a very positive
wave at the moment. And at the same time, Blake
Lively has been walking a lot of red carpets for
(17:29):
her new movie, Another Simple Favor, and Ryan's been with her.
It's so funny talking about as we were just saying
about like lip readers and body image experts. Oh my god,
did you see the one I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, but just all of the ones that come out
about oh Blake Lovely and Anna Kendrick like, oh body image,
a body lip reading? Yeah, oh what's their body saying
about that? Oh my goodness, it's so funny. Actually, people
are literally just looking for cloud on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think those girls are actually doing fine.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
No, there's a body language expert who's given some interviews
today that are going everywhere saying that Blake was like
hypnotizing Ryan on the red carpet and controlling him.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I was like, oh, that sounds exciting. She's got
great boobs. She's done, and so like, haven't we all
done that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's the moment I was like, Oh, has the body
language gone too far? That that's well? Yeah. So the
other story that's kind of this week is that Travis
has unfollowed Ryan, and the thing about that is like
it seems like such a silly thing. But whenever celebrities
do it, they would have to be so aware, especially
those two boys, like they're in a social media game,
They're in the fame game, like they know what's up.
They're not you know, they're not doing that lightly. It's
(18:34):
such a big thing now to unfollow another celebrity because
it is such a statement.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
The fact that it's obviously some people's jobs just to try.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Like programs that tell you when someone Ye.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I'm imagining an intern or like an assistant level person
just sitting at their desk all day, like checking who's
following different people.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, apparently there's a lot. There's like programs you can get,
there's alerts you can get people on follow each other.
I got to figure that out because I would love
us to break and I'm following story. I alway seeing
other people post out and I'd.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Be like, I would be so embarrassed too, Yeah, because it's.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Like, why were you checking that, You're little weird, Well
have enough to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I guess people were checking because these two famous couples
are so embrailed in this kind of story at the moment.
So the Blake Lively justin Baldoni lawsuit, which feels like
it went on forever and has now kind of faded
away because Blake Lively put out her last statements about it,
and then Justin Baldoni published an entire website which is
still live that you can go and look at you
(19:30):
I forgot about that. It's every video, it's every text message. Basically,
Justin put every single thing about the case on our website,
and that all happened, and then we haven't seen it
in the news lately. So I think a lot of
people may be like it's blown over, it's settled, but
we're actually nearly a year out from the actual court
date where the legal case is going to again. Again.
It's not like a TV show like where they like
(19:51):
you arrest the person, they're in court the next day,
like it's going to take over a year, and so
they're in the moment now where they're still like gathering
a lot of evidence, and Taylor Stiff's name has been
brought into that. So if you kind of don't remember
this crazy time when all those text messages were made
public between Justin and Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni was talking
about Taylor's being in Ryan and Blake's apartment when he
(20:12):
thought he was going over for dinner. This is his story, obviously,
don't know what happened. He thought he was going over
for dinner and when he got there, Ryan and Taylor,
like he's saying, they were like lying in wait for
him to kind of like help Blake ambush him and
say that her rewrites so better, her script was better,
and they had to use that. And then of course
there was the very famous text message that came after
where Blake was alluding to like the dragons and calling
(20:34):
herself CALLSI from Game of Thrones to remember that no,
and she you and I live in very different world. Yeah,
that was a big That was a big thing at
the time.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I just love that. That's even a thing that makes me.
I love celebrities.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well they're so silly. Yeah, it aged kind of badly.
But what she was saying in the text message, if
it's real, which apparently it is, she was sort of
saying that she's the Kalisi. She fights for what she wants,
she gets what she wants, and she has these dragons
and it's Ryan and Taylor Swift, and she's like basically saying, like,
if you come into our circle, then they'll protect you
as well. If not, they'll destroy you, as the subtext.
(21:05):
And so Taylor Swift never commented on any of that,
even though, like when that big New York Times's article
came out with all the stuff around that Blake Lively
alleged should happen to her with sexual harassment on site,
a lot of her famous friends and her family put
out all these statements really siding with her and defending
her and being like the truths finally come out, and
people expected Taylor Sift to say something which she didn't,
(21:27):
which I can kind of understand putting her name into
that whole situation. And then Justin Baldoni's lawyer had said
that they probably wouldn't get Taylor Sift to testify, but
now they've changed their tune and saying like they'll potentially
will subpoena her and pull her into the court case.
She's so and yeah, I have to kind of be involved.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm trying to write some songs over here.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, although it could she.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Might write a great banger out of it.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, I mean, a Court Place album would do very well.
And so then the story has been recently that Blake
and Taylor are now on the Rocks, and they've been
like really close friends for over a decade. Taylor Sift
is the godmother to the majority of Blake Lively's four children.
I don't know about the last little boy, but has
like you know, said that they all call her aunt.
Taylor very close and Ryan and Blake were at multiple
(22:13):
of her eras tour with like their kids. When Taylor
Swift first went to watch Travis Kelsey play in the
Super Bowl when he won and they had that be killing. Yeah,
like Blake's with her and She's like, this is the
only time I leave my kids would be like to
support Taylor. They're like Pitture going to dinner in New
York multiple times, so they're like together all the time.
And then when this whole Justin Baldoni lawsuit blew up
with Blake Lively, we haven't seen them together since, so
(22:36):
that's why people think they're on the outs. And now
that Travis has unfollowed Ryan, it kind of looks like
he's really picking a side and the two famous couples
have split down the middle. Oh no, you're not shattered
by that. Your world's not shattered by that.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I know, shocking, Yeah, I think that they are probably
looking after this from a pr perspective and that they're
why do I say perspective like there's a purse involved
and never no, And I think that there's no way
that something so silly would blow up a friendship, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Just if it is silly though, like obviously I don't know,
but I think like it is a really big court case, like,
yeah it is, but personal documents and messages could be
made public.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But if it's a whole prop her friend because.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Of her, yeah, I've never really bought into that side,
and then.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A chance, like I think that she's probably like I
just simply for my career, I just am bowing out.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Having to sort of step And I think that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Ryan and Blake would just be like, yeah, that's fine whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I mean, I'm sure obviously would be a huge public
turning point for them to have Taylor Swiff come out
and sort of be on their side and defend them.
But I think with what she's doing at the moment,
which looks like she's completely kind of stepping out of the spotlight,
you're either going to be in on out. You can't
sort of go back and forth. But what I just
do think is interesting is that this whole story around
a potential feud between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni before
(24:00):
the movie came out, all really started publicly because Ryan
Reynolds unfollowed Justin Baldoni on Instagram. So it's like we've
always come full circle now with men with the men
like unfollowing each other, and that's when people were like, hang.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
On and starts following Justin, then I'll be well, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Don't think seeing that, but I just think it's it's
interesting how this whole thing started with two famous men
kind of unfollowing each other. And if you look at
the can you.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Imagine any bloke in your life doing something like I'm
just gonna go and full.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Of unfollow them? I know, and again, when you're famous,
it's such a big thing. But when Justin Baldoni or
his documents were made public, that was the catalyst with
his PR team, who was also now being sued by
multiple people that he said on the wall, they were like,
do we pull the trigger or do we just maybe
this won't be public. But once Ryan unfollowed Justin, that's
when his PR team said, like, pull the trigger, put
(24:50):
the Blake Lively smear campaign into action that they're getting
sued over. Now, that was like the trigger for it all.
So yeah, when you look at it like that, it
is a big deal. So I guess we'll have to
see if Travis says anything on his podcast that he
records with his brother, because that's usually where he like
talks about all of these things. But apart from that,
we're still a year out from the court case, but
there'll be a lot of information coming out before that.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I've gotten all these really important details.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, thank you so much for listening to The Spill today,
And if you'd like a bit of a visual guy
to what we're talking on the podcast, if you want
to watch the Chapel roone video from every Accule and
just give us your thoughts. Did she try to push
her assistant to the ground or not. We will put
that video up on our Instagram, which is the Spill
podcast on Instagram. We pose a lot of other things
there too, not just celebrities knocking each other.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Shoving you out of the way to get this record.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
We should reenact the video, you know how people try
and reenactive. Two people could have fit on the door
with the Titanic. We'll reenact if she could have shoved
her a different.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Way, nicer.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
The Spill is produced by Amy Kimball with sound production
by Scott Stronik, and will be back in your ears
at three pm tomorrow. Bye Bye,
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