August 20, 2025 • 28 mins
From Sabrina Carpenter to Ashley Tisdale, today we’re unpacking the red carpet regrets that still haunt Hollywood’s biggest stars... after one came clean about her absolute worst look.
Then, Pete Davidson has given one of his most vulnerable interviews yet... touching on sexualisation, mental health, sobriety, and how fame and it's fallout has shaped his relationships. We dive into why his story feels different from how we’d respond to a woman in the same position, and what we took away from his candid confessions.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I'm Cassanye Lukitch. On today's show, we're going to
be talking about Pete Davidson's podcast interview on The Breakfast Club,
so he talks about his BD energy and over sexualization.
He also talks a little bit about his new bub
that's on the way, So we're going to really go
into that. But first, Laura, what have we got?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yes? But first some very important breaking news, and that
is the fact that double Oscar winner Emma Stone has
taken part in Vogue's Life and Looks series, which is
a series that I quite love from Vogue where they
get famous women to go through all their past red
carpet looks and tell the stories behind them, which I
always find the most interesting part of red carpet dressing
(01:12):
is like, what was the story? What was happening in
that moment?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I love it as well. I love hearing like what
went into it? Like what were they thinking? Why did
they choose it? You know all those stories about oh,
I went to the department store five minutes before and
I couldn't afford. Like, those stories just make things just
so much more fun.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And I should say, as we're talking about all these looks,
we will put them all up on our Instagram's page
The Spill podcast on Instagram if you want to follow
along and see what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Maybe then we can put our fake tan fails there.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think I've deleted all those photos. They might not exist.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Sorry, my year ten formal fake tan fail is so
bad and you can just.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Take a photo of me right now and put it
off where we're in it now.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's not bad I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But yes, Emma Stone has some red carpet regrets, which
of course she does. She's been in the industry for
a really long time. She was also in the industry
at a time when she was very young, and there
was also a very specific look for how every actress
was supposed to present, and she really lent into that.
So she talks about the fact that she went a
little too hard on the spray hand and a moment
(02:13):
in time being there, I'm there right now, don't zoom me.
It's just so hard. No, don't look, it's no. The
palms about and the elbows like, oh my god, don't look.
It's again. It's not my fault. Women like Emma Stone
tell me I need to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The first time I ever did a false hand, I
did it myself, and I remember walking down the street,
my dad goes, what's going on with the back of
your legs. I completely missed.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
The back of my legs. I just had a white
O my god, that happens even to this day. I
thought i'd be over this as an adult. My brother
still sings the Oompu lumpa song really loudly whenever I
walk into a room, and again like, you don't need
to ten. And I know it's very problematic and stuff,
but some of us have not pretty pale skin. Some
of us have blotchy, pale skin and must cover it up.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Laura, I'm right there with you. I have really fair
skin too, and I need like a little bit of
glow otherwise I look at not well.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And also it's not the glossy and Hathaway's skin. It's
the kind of not saying you look like this, but
the sallow red kind of skin. Oh anyway, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Sorry, but again we're off track.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But also this is what Emma Stone was saying.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I empathize with Emma Stone when she had her ten.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, and so she was saying that. So she said
she was growing up in Arizona and her skin just
doesn't tan. She did do the problematic thing of that, well,
the dangerous I should say, thing of like trying to
tan from sun and her skin just wouldn't like react
to it properly. So when she got into Hollywood, she
said she would slap on the fake tan because she
thought that's how she's supposed to look. And she's going
through these photos and she's like, look, beautiful dress, terrible tan.
(03:42):
Beautiful dress, terrible tan. And then she referenced one look
and this made me laugh because she was talking about
her twenty eleven Golden Globes look and said, the dress
is so pretty, but I look like a thumb because
and the thing is critically acclaimed actress Emma Stone double
Oscar winner does look like a thumb because she had
somehow tanned herself to be the exact same color of
(04:04):
the dress, and so she is one color walking along
the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Dresses, the Calvin Kline apricot. I'm sure you could bring
it to mind, like it's such a beautiful that era
of like Calvin Kleine on red carpets was one of
my favorites, Like Jennifer Lawrence in that red Calvinklin dress
when I first noticed her, And I think maybe the
color itself, even if she was her really fair skin,
probably wasn't her. Like if we're talking about, you know, the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Color, wearing an almost for her skin color dress is
hard to pull.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It's really hard. That aprocot color is really hard for
us fair skinned girls. But I also really like it
when people kind of go, eh, maybe that wasn't quite
the right thing for me. And when you've been in
Hollywood for a really long time, which a lot of
Salambs have particularly, I think the golden era is like
the early two thousands, and one that springs to mind
(04:57):
for me is probably Ashley Tisdale, right. I feel like
Ashley Tisdale was just so iconic in those early Disney
days and I've sort of looked back at some of
her you know, the dress over the pants and you know,
those really great two thousands looks and she says she
was like, yeah, maybe they weren't great, but I was
(05:20):
just a girl dancing to the beat of my own drama.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I love those photos of Ashley Tisdale where she's got
the dress over the pants. First of all, bring that
back because if you're a tall girl, that works for you,
because it's hard to find top so long enough. And
also when she's got about fifteen belts, I remember like
a shrug. She wears shrug and then a scarf and
then a hand necklace and she just looked like she's
having the best time I.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Know, And like she kind of looks back at it
and goes, I mean, maybe they're not exactly great, but
I just was doing my own thing, and I kind
of love that for her. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I love when slums either share like the fashion or
beauty disaster or just a dress that didn't work. Another
one that comes to mind, and this is also a
tan story, which again should put me off tanning, but
it's not going to with the twenty eighteen Metgala, when
Selena Gomez arrived and you first saw the just the
silhouette of her getting out of a car and she's
wearing this beautiful gown that looks like she's stepped out
of like a fairy tale, and she's got glitteral through
(06:13):
her hair and everything, and it just it just she
looks like a princess. And then her tan was so
so so dark. It looked like describe it like she'd
fallen face forward in like a dark paint or something
like that. And I don't say that in a mean way,
because she is very rare and it was just a mistake,
like this stuff happens. It's a white dress. She won
a little bit of color before the event, so she
(06:35):
put on a fake tan, and it just got darker
and darker and darker through the night, so it didn't
look like that when she left the house. And then
in interviews after that, she has said it was the
most prestigious fashion moment of the year, and my tan
was so terrible. And there's videos of her the next
day leaving the hotel and she's signing autographs for all
these fans who are so excited to see her because
(06:55):
she's Selena Gomez. Everyone loves her and they were like, Selena,
you look so beautiful. She's like, yeah, I fixed it
from the metgala and we've all had a tang to us.
I was once going to be on a massive red
carpet like filming for the Actor Awards, and I had
to bring my dress to work and it had a
slit and I was so tired that night before. I'm like,
I'm just going to tan one leg because you're not
going to see the other one, and the photos are
(07:18):
so bad. That's the time. I had a few times
where I tried to digitally tan my legs. Afterwards it
doesn't I just put on the bathroom at work and
I was like, oh God, my god, it's the wrong leg.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I love that. So honestly, if you haven't had a
turning disasters with melan and don't have our best kind wars.
Speaking of the Megalla, Sabrina Carpenter actually this year, so
she wore Louis Vuitton. Farrell Williams actually sort of dressed
her and she was wearing this like that's a suited thing,
(07:53):
and she basically wore no pants. So Farrell said to her,
you're so short, so no pants for you. So here
we are. Afterwards, people were like, what were you thinking?
And then she kind of wrote back and was like, yeah,
I fucked up.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I trust in the moment, I thought she looked thought
she looked great. She was one of my favorites from
that night. With this, it's very her.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So the criticism was from some person on X saying
because of her proportions, it wasn't quite right. Maybe that's
what she responded to. Again, I think she looked gorgeous.
I liked the color on her. But you know, it's
just funny when people respond to that, because we all
have our worst dressed moments, and not most most of
(08:36):
us don't have to have it in film forever.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I know something was like being an event and realizing
that you look terrible. The other thing about hearing solids
talk about their worst red carpet moments is that I
know about you. But when I first would like find
tabloid mags lying around as a kid, like the hairdresser
or my mum had bought them all something, I'd flick
through them and they would just be dresses that I'm
just like, Oh my god, that's the best anyone has
ever looked. This person looks like a princess. And I
(09:00):
used to always think of this nicole kidman look from
two thousand and four that she wore the Golden Globe
there was like one of my faves. And then it
was only a few years ago for W magazine that
she was like, yeah, my mum hated most of my
red carpet looks. And I was like, well, that's real,
because no one will tell you look bad like your mom.
She feels like it. She's be honest. And then she
references this time she wore a headband to the Golden
(09:20):
Globes and was like, that was too much. It looked terrible,
but I guess we all have to have a few disasters.
And I was like, that was the dress I've been
coveting all these years, and I thought that she looked
so incredible with the head piece and the flapper style
dress and the sequins. Only to know that Nicole Kidman
all these years has hated it, well, I feel betrayed.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Maybe she will be happy because it is iconic to
you and maybe it's what's important.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And she was different from everyone else. They all look
the same, and I just thought that was great, but
she betrayed me.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Just to finish this up, I think we have to
mention Kim Kardashian's bandage dress and platform high heels face,
which she has openly talked about being one of her
least fashionable moment, and like, if you're a Kardashians fan,
you will remember that moment where Kanye walks in to
(10:10):
her wardrobe and starts like pulling and throwing away like
every single item.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Of hate at that moment. I hate it and can
what people say. I've stod on the point. Many times
people get angry, am me, I don't care. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
There's parts of it the bother way, but I also understand.
But she just her two thousand style with those like
lubraton ultra platform high heels, and She's like I basically
had to throw away like thirty pairs of lubatons, and
I was like, I hate.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I know she she talks shit a lot herself on
her like early two thousand style, but I'm like, that
was off the moment. And also I think she forgets
that us watching a home how much we kind of
coveted that look of that. It was like this really
over the top but almost like cheap, easy, affordable glamor
that teenagers and women in their twenties wanted to wear.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
The irv LA bandage dress just has such a choke
hold on millennials. Bring it back, I say, And then
we all just wore like the offcam YEA, like a
cheap version.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I know. I see kids today out clubbing and like
sneakers and jeans. I'm like, how dare you wear an
uncomfortable pair of shoes and a little mini dress like
everyone else I know? And like tough enough and like
walk home and don't take your high heels off like
the rest of it. I mean, covered in blisters and
probably give usself long term bone damage for the rest
of your life. That's why I like a real party girl.
(11:26):
That's what my He's hurt me too. So Pete Davidson
has been kind of under the radar at the moment.
I mean, he's got a new movie out to pick
up with Kiky Palm and Eddie Murphy, so he's around.
I guess I'm just thinking back to a time when
he was on the front cover of every magazine, every
news site on Yeah, those kind of days. So if
we're looking back to that time, he's a bit under
(11:48):
the radar, which is why I thought it was so
interesting that he sat down to do this long form
podcast interview on the Breakfast Club, and he got to
sort of address all these huge things that have been
happening in his life in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And it was super candid and really earnest, which I
quite like we've both listened to the whole thing. So
if you haven't heard of the Breakfast Club, Breakfast is
hosted by Charmaine dj Envy and Angela Yao, And it
was a really great interview. A lot of great things
to pull from it. Some of the things that he said,
(12:22):
and I think particularly around his girlfriend now and the
fact that they're having a baby was really nice. But
it was just really interesting to see him talk about
fame in a way of how it affected him and
how he's taken these steps to prioritize his own mental health.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes, so he was sort of talking about all the
work he's done and coming out of rehab and everything,
but also how he's kind of changed the projects he
appears in and the work he's doing and who he
hangs out with. And it's kind of interesting because he's
going through this whole sort of these catalysts in the
last couple of years in his life and why things
have changed and how difficult it was to be in
the public eye, and understandably the host or a bit
(13:00):
like at one stage, like, well, hold up, was it
really that bad? Because you were super famous, you were
on a TV show, you were dating these beautiful women
who all thing me obsessed with you, and everyone was like,
he's got a huge dick? What was wrong? And from
that moment, that's when Pete gets even more serious and
he starts to tell his side of the story of
how he felt that moment when everyone was talking about
(13:23):
his body.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's embarrassing because you know, first of all, it's Hollywood,
everybody bucks everyone, Yeah, everybody's dating everybody. Why are they
focusing on me? It's because it's I'm not you know,
I'm not Glenn Powell handsome. You know, I'm just this
like dude that tells dick jokes that look that as
a drug addict. So it was like a it was
(13:47):
it was like what it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Was like what?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And it had nothing to do with comedy, and like
also like that stuff affects relationships, like seeing that and
like trying to move around and go on dates and
like just be like a young dude who's trying to
figure out who he is and like not to be like,
I don't want to victimize myself in any way because
(14:12):
I'm cool, but like the sexualization of me, like if
that was a girl, you know, like people will be like,
there'll be a march for it, Like you just seriously,
you're just talking about my dick all day.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Okay. So I actually do understand where he's coming from,
because clearly he was in a pretty troubled time of
his life. He was going through drug addiction and mental health,
and this was kind of his launch into fame and
having all of that out on display. I do have
a slight issue with when men compare the over sexualization
(14:53):
of themselves to that of Well, if it was a woman,
then it would be different. My issue with that is
that contextually and historically, reacting to like deep into this
sexualization of men hasn't inherently been dangerous, whereas for women
that has been a really dangerous place to be in.
(15:15):
So I understand the comparison, but it's not the same
like historically, like contextually.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, And that's kind of what I thought as I
was listening to it as well. I mean I kind
of as I was listening to it, I was really
trying to kind of sit in it and see the
different sides, because I know he has said before he
didn't love it, and he doesn't like this focus on
who he's dating over his work, which again is a
very kind of especially a comedian thing, but an actor
thing of like wanting to be famous for what you're
doing and not just who you're dating, especially if you're
(15:44):
dating women who are more famous than you, and there's
a power and balance. But I always kind of thought
with Pete Davidson that he did like it a little bit,
that he liked this huge cultural moment was happening around him,
because if you kind of go back to twenty eighteen
when this was such a huge thing, Big dig Energy,
do you remember when it took off and all of
a sudden it was being used in everyday lexicon and
it kind of still is, and there was merge and
(16:06):
people and there were photos, There were so many articles
written about it. It's so funny because in the podcast
interview just after that clip, they say, like who started that?
Who wrote that you had big dick energy? And he's like,
I think it was The New York Times, which is
so funny because like that's such a legitimate publication and
it was someone on Twitter Kyral Grant. I feel like
I've to say his name, because he got very angry
(16:26):
that everyone took his phrase. He was talking about Anthony
Bourdain dying and saying that he had big dick energy,
and then it kind of took off. But it wasn't
The New York Times that wrote that Pete Davidson had
big dick energy. It was actually The Cut, which is
owned by the same company. So I can see why
in twenty eighteen that took off, and so I can
see how that kind of escalated. And then he's also
(16:47):
talking this interview about someone you're in a relationship with,
like talking about your body or like talking about your
sex life. So in the interview they say who wasn't
he was like, I'll let you figure it out. And
he's talking about Ariana Grande because she was releasing a
song at the time. That whole thing between her and
Pete being engaged in her walking around with like the
pigtails and the lollipop and everyone was like, what is
(17:09):
that beautiful woman doing with that gross guy, even though
he was like a tall, rich comedian. And someone asked
her on Twitter, like how long is it referring to
her song and she said, oh, it's about ten inches.
Oh wait, you mean the song And that's where it
kind of so I can understand him kind of saying like,
it's the person I'm in a relationship with making the joke.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, And I think as well, like I understand, I
think he's a sensitive guy from this it's almost it's
probably about an hour long. I think he's a sensitive dude.
And I think he just was like, I just want
to surround myself with people that I trust and that
aren't going to try and exploit me in some way
or another. And it took me a really long time
to learn that. So I do understand maybe you just
(17:50):
felt a bit hurt by it, and even though it's positive,
like it is a private thing that you're going through.
But I do take issue with it being compared to
the way women are sexualized, just because historically, like he's
not being punished for it, whereas women often are without
(18:13):
being like overtly feminist. Yeah, I'm not going to go
like too crazy year, but I just think it is
really important to acknowledge that there is a bit of
a different Oh.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
One hundred percent, I think that too, because I think
the consequences for a woman being overly sexualized in the
public eye would be like with Pete Davidson, It's like, yes,
everyone was saying it and they were laughing, but there
was also a sense of like, good on you, like
this is incredible, like and also people being like, let's
put him in more movies and TV shows. And I
actually think the more I listened to him, I actually
don't think he was that upset about it. I know
(18:43):
he's saying that now, but I think he's more upset
about his career being diminished than being overly sexualized. Because
he talks at the fact that he became a joke
at SNL and no one wanted to put him in sketches.
They just wanted to make jokes about him, like he
became a celebrity, not a cast member. And he then
talks about his TV show Buck because, which is based
on his life, the network pushing him to do all
(19:04):
these crazy stories because like that's what Pete Davidson would do.
And I actually think it was more of a career
thing that he wasn't getting seen the way he wanted,
not that he felt that he was being like over
sexual because the thing is like it's something that that
happened to a woman and she was being seen as
like over sexualized. There would be like threats of violence
and death online. She would have to take her safety
(19:25):
really seriously. She would potentially lose work, or she would
only have work in one certain area. And it's just
not the same thing, and it comes up a lot.
It came up this year with the Robert Irwin photos.
We and lots of other people on different podcasts. He
like put out his sexy photo shoot. We were all like,
that's a hot man. And then I think we put
out a video about it because Emily Verner malco host
(19:47):
and this pod was like I just realized that I'm
in love with Robert Irwin. They're still not dating, but
it might happen. And then we got so many comments
from people being like if this was two men talking
about a woman, like this would be so different. You
guys would never be allowed to say it. And it
was mostly men in the comments. Don't know how they
found out pod angry men, because I'm like, this is
the pod for you, so everyone else just not angry men,
And they were so angry that we were allowed to
(20:08):
say that no one was calling us out. But the
difference is that we're saying it in like a way
of like he's really hot, and there's no malice, there's
no intention to like do anything terrible. We weren't saying
anything terrible about him. We weren't treating him as not
a human. And so that's the double standard, like you're
talking about, as well as like it's not said with
malice and danger that we're going to go and physically
(20:29):
attack this man, which is kind of what does happen
to women in that situation.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Absolutely, I mean, I feel like we could talk about
this for a real long time, but we're going to
keep it light here. I mean, I think it's really interesting.
When he talked about like finishing up Bubcurse, he was like,
I think what happened with that show is that it
became this heightened persona, which we've talked about a couple
of times where we love when celebrities play heightened personas.
But it was all he had, and so he was like,
(20:55):
I'm going to leave that behind and focus on myself.
And then he talks a lot about his sobriety.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, that him playing yourself is an interesting thing. Because
like that's why Lrne Michael's the creator of Saturday Night Live.
He just loved Pete as like the idea of him,
apart from the fact that he's very funny, which I
should say is always what I found him so hot
because I'm like, he's a tall, funny man, and I
find him very attractive. It's more so listen to this pot.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think this is also the thing that men are
really confused about often when they're like, why the hell
is he with her? Because he makes her laugh? And
like I think again, women in general are much happier
with a man who's going to make them laugh than
a man with a six pack and like is obsessed
(21:43):
with going to the gym. Like it is factually true.
Look at the women Pete Davidson has exact look at
the women that a lot of comedians have. It's charm,
it's comedy. That is why women are attracted to that.
It's not necessarily about being the best looking guy on
the block.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I don't think it was ever about like all
these women are like kind of downgrading who they are
to date this man. It's like he was seen as
like he still is, but like at the time there's
also I think something about the test man in the
room who's also commanding the room, like choosing you and
like being the one that he's like giving all his
attention to would be a very intoxicating thing. But yeah,
he played himself in bubcuse, he played himself in the
(22:20):
King of Staten Island, and I can kind of see
how like his real life and his on screen life
started to mesh such a way that what did he
say in the pod? Like they wanted to like him
having sex with Martha Stewart doing all these drugs, and
he ended the show. And what I thought was so
lovely and a bit of information I don't think came
out at the time is like when he ended the show,
he continued to pay everyone and make sure they got
(22:43):
money because he knew that he had like effectively destroyed
people's livelihoods and didn't want to be responsible for that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, I thought that was really great. He's like that
really hurt. But the other bit that I found quite
fascinating is how he talks about his relationship with NBAC,
who you know, he'd been with them for ten years,
he'd been on SNL and you know, had this really
strong relationship. He's like, I learned a really hard lesson
because I realized that at the end of the day,
it's a business. But I was like sixteen when I started,
(23:09):
and all of a sudden they didn't care for me.
It just felt like there was a lot of emotional
maturity and growth after that period of his life. And
then we move on to the most recent news that
he has is that he's expecting a baby. Yeah, it's
interesting here He's not having the baby.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yes, he and his partner Elsie Hewitt are having a baby,
which is very cute. It's kind of interesting because over
the last few months, really I've been percolating this idea
that we hadn't done the pod yet, around the makeover
of Pete Davidson, or the evolution of Pete Davidson from
this kind of like drug using party boy Lethario kind
of thing that he was to now being like, I'm
(23:49):
a working actor and I'm trying to be a dramatic
actor and I'm clean. I've had all my tattoos like
being removed except Hillary Clifton.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He tells a story in the pod where he said
he was getting all these tattoos removed and he has
one of Hillary Clinton and she messaged him and it's
just like, not my tattoo, right, and he was like, no, Hillary,
you stay. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But I mean we've heard this before. You know, he
got all of these tattoos removed. He did a campaign
with Reformation where he kind of embraced that bde energy,
which I think is great. That's him kind of but
that's on his terms, which I think is what makes it. Yeah,
Elsie is he talks about her being quite a private person,
but she is a model. She's you know, born in
ninety six in London, has been working on modeling and
(24:29):
also has like a food blog.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
She's a busy gal.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
She's a busy gal, but in terms of like fame,
is not at the level of Pete Davidson. And he
talks a lot about him being like feeling sorry for her.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, and that was the really interesting thing. I Mean,
he got so vulnerable in this podcast where he's talking
about the fact they found out that she was pregnant
and he was so excited because he lost his dad
in the nine eleven attacks. He was a firefighter, and
he always talks about the fact that since he was
a little boy, he's like, I just want to be
a dad. I want to be a dad, because even
though he's super close to his mum and his family
(25:02):
and all that sort of stuff, but he always talks
about wanting to be a dad because he missed out
on having one. And so the two of them being
just so excited about this baby and going to the
doctor and getting papped and the stress that that caused.
And then he said he had to ask the publication
to please don't print the photos yet, because you know,
to wait till a safe time to sort of say
and all this stuff, and so funny cause they'd the
(25:23):
podcast host so like, I guess that's okay that they
waited to put out the photos and stuff, but it's
still pretty dehumanizing. And then he talked about the fact
that they put out like a joint pregnancy post, and
at the time when I saw that, I thought, oh,
that's so classic Pete Davidson, Like he's had this like
funny laugh with this pregnancy post, not knowing the story
behind it was that their hand was forced because the
(25:44):
publication was going to run the photos and so they
had to get it out. And it's so interesting because
one of the hosts on the podcast used to work
for TMZ and used to be in the thick of
like outing people's pregnancies and stuff, and then she has
this realization on the pod. She's like, Oh, I never
really thought about like human beings being behind these stories,
which I mean sounds ridiculous but also a bit of
(26:04):
a wake up call for me and everyone else.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Actually, when I was pregnant this many years ago, I
was at one of my obstration appointments getting an ultrasound,
and there was a very famous woman there who hadn't
announced her pregnancy, and she and this very famous actor
were there together, and I remember specifically sort of looking
at her i'd met her before, looking at her, putting
(26:28):
my eyes down and going, you know what, this is
not my place. And I very consciously said, I am
not saying a word to anybody about this.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yes, because that's how And again I kind of imagine
what a vulnerable time that would be, and it has
become a thing with celebrities to hear about it. And
she was really early.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
She was not showing I was showing at that point.
She was not, and she basically I could tell it
was very very early on in your appointment.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I yeah, again a vulnerable thing. And I think
also like maybe in Australia it's not you don't have
the means to sort of bring the doctors to you
or like close down the hospitals and stuff. I guess
I do it for some people. But you do hear
in Hollywood of celebrities being stuck into doctor's appointments, like
lying in the back of vans or like things being
closed down. And that's the idea that like everyone in Hollywood,
(27:12):
like all the famous women, all go to the same doctor,
and they all sometimes often reference her, even like Rihanna
was asked, what's your favorite thing about La and she's
like my obig way in And they all use the
same woman because she's so discreet, because she'll come to you,
because she'll close the clinic down. It's so interesting to
think of all these famous women with all this money
and power having to lie down on the back of
vans to be driven into doctor's appointments because those photos
(27:35):
sell so well. Or even just walking through the rating
room or like a courier picking something up, or a
delivery or a cleaner or anyone can see you and
just put the information out there.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, I absolutely loved this interview. I would highly recommend
you guys go and have a listen to it. It's
called The Breakfast Club Pete Davidson. It's about an hour long,
but definitely worth it. Lots of great takeaways.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, I do miss him and Kim Kardashian together, but
I'm very happy.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm happy with that guy, but I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He's found his true love and then there's a baby
on the way.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I'm Cassanye Lukitch. On today's show, we're going to
be talking about Pete Davidson's podcast interview on The Breakfast Club,
so he talks about his BD energy and over sexualization.
He also talks a little bit about his new bub
that's on the way, So we're going to really go
into that. But first, Laura, what have we got?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yes? But first some very important breaking news, and that
is the fact that double Oscar winner Emma Stone has
taken part in Vogue's Life and Looks series, which is
a series that I quite love from Vogue where they
get famous women to go through all their past red
carpet looks and tell the stories behind them, which I
always find the most interesting part of red carpet dressing
(01:12):
is like, what was the story? What was happening in
that moment?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I love it as well. I love hearing like what
went into it? Like what were they thinking? Why did
they choose it? You know all those stories about oh,
I went to the department store five minutes before and
I couldn't afford. Like, those stories just make things just
so much more fun.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And I should say, as we're talking about all these looks,
we will put them all up on our Instagram's page
The Spill podcast on Instagram if you want to follow
along and see what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Maybe then we can put our fake tan fails there.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think I've deleted all those photos. They might not exist.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Sorry, my year ten formal fake tan fail is so
bad and you can just.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Take a photo of me right now and put it
off where we're in it now.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's not bad I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But yes, Emma Stone has some red carpet regrets, which
of course she does. She's been in the industry for
a really long time. She was also in the industry
at a time when she was very young, and there
was also a very specific look for how every actress
was supposed to present, and she really lent into that.
So she talks about the fact that she went a
little too hard on the spray hand and a moment
(02:13):
in time being there, I'm there right now, don't zoom me.
It's just so hard. No, don't look, it's no. The
palms about and the elbows like, oh my god, don't look.
It's again. It's not my fault. Women like Emma Stone
tell me I need to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The first time I ever did a false hand, I
did it myself, and I remember walking down the street,
my dad goes, what's going on with the back of
your legs. I completely missed.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
The back of my legs. I just had a white
O my god, that happens even to this day. I
thought i'd be over this as an adult. My brother
still sings the Oompu lumpa song really loudly whenever I
walk into a room, and again like, you don't need
to ten. And I know it's very problematic and stuff,
but some of us have not pretty pale skin. Some
of us have blotchy, pale skin and must cover it up.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Laura, I'm right there with you. I have really fair
skin too, and I need like a little bit of
glow otherwise I look at not well.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And also it's not the glossy and Hathaway's skin. It's
the kind of not saying you look like this, but
the sallow red kind of skin. Oh anyway, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Sorry, but again we're off track.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But also this is what Emma Stone was saying.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I empathize with Emma Stone when she had her ten.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, and so she was saying that. So she said
she was growing up in Arizona and her skin just
doesn't tan. She did do the problematic thing of that, well,
the dangerous I should say, thing of like trying to
tan from sun and her skin just wouldn't like react
to it properly. So when she got into Hollywood, she
said she would slap on the fake tan because she
thought that's how she's supposed to look. And she's going
through these photos and she's like, look, beautiful dress, terrible tan.
(03:42):
Beautiful dress, terrible tan. And then she referenced one look
and this made me laugh because she was talking about
her twenty eleven Golden Globes look and said, the dress
is so pretty, but I look like a thumb because
and the thing is critically acclaimed actress Emma Stone double
Oscar winner does look like a thumb because she had
somehow tanned herself to be the exact same color of
(04:04):
the dress, and so she is one color walking along
the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Dresses, the Calvin Kline apricot. I'm sure you could bring
it to mind, like it's such a beautiful that era
of like Calvin Kleine on red carpets was one of
my favorites, Like Jennifer Lawrence in that red Calvinklin dress
when I first noticed her, And I think maybe the
color itself, even if she was her really fair skin,
probably wasn't her. Like if we're talking about, you know, the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Color, wearing an almost for her skin color dress is
hard to pull.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It's really hard. That aprocot color is really hard for
us fair skinned girls. But I also really like it
when people kind of go, eh, maybe that wasn't quite
the right thing for me. And when you've been in
Hollywood for a really long time, which a lot of
Salambs have particularly, I think the golden era is like
the early two thousands, and one that springs to mind
(04:57):
for me is probably Ashley Tisdale, right. I feel like
Ashley Tisdale was just so iconic in those early Disney
days and I've sort of looked back at some of
her you know, the dress over the pants and you know,
those really great two thousands looks and she says she
was like, yeah, maybe they weren't great, but I was
(05:20):
just a girl dancing to the beat of my own drama.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I love those photos of Ashley Tisdale where she's got
the dress over the pants. First of all, bring that
back because if you're a tall girl, that works for you,
because it's hard to find top so long enough. And
also when she's got about fifteen belts, I remember like
a shrug. She wears shrug and then a scarf and
then a hand necklace and she just looked like she's
having the best time I.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Know, And like she kind of looks back at it
and goes, I mean, maybe they're not exactly great, but
I just was doing my own thing, and I kind
of love that for her. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I love when slums either share like the fashion or
beauty disaster or just a dress that didn't work. Another
one that comes to mind, and this is also a
tan story, which again should put me off tanning, but
it's not going to with the twenty eighteen Metgala, when
Selena Gomez arrived and you first saw the just the
silhouette of her getting out of a car and she's
wearing this beautiful gown that looks like she's stepped out
of like a fairy tale, and she's got glitteral through
(06:13):
her hair and everything, and it just it just she
looks like a princess. And then her tan was so
so so dark. It looked like describe it like she'd
fallen face forward in like a dark paint or something
like that. And I don't say that in a mean way,
because she is very rare and it was just a mistake,
like this stuff happens. It's a white dress. She won
a little bit of color before the event, so she
(06:35):
put on a fake tan, and it just got darker
and darker and darker through the night, so it didn't
look like that when she left the house. And then
in interviews after that, she has said it was the
most prestigious fashion moment of the year, and my tan
was so terrible. And there's videos of her the next
day leaving the hotel and she's signing autographs for all
these fans who are so excited to see her because
(06:55):
she's Selena Gomez. Everyone loves her and they were like, Selena,
you look so beautiful. She's like, yeah, I fixed it
from the metgala and we've all had a tang to us.
I was once going to be on a massive red
carpet like filming for the Actor Awards, and I had
to bring my dress to work and it had a
slit and I was so tired that night before. I'm like,
I'm just going to tan one leg because you're not
going to see the other one, and the photos are
(07:18):
so bad. That's the time. I had a few times
where I tried to digitally tan my legs. Afterwards it
doesn't I just put on the bathroom at work and
I was like, oh God, my god, it's the wrong leg.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I love that. So honestly, if you haven't had a
turning disasters with melan and don't have our best kind wars.
Speaking of the Megalla, Sabrina Carpenter actually this year, so
she wore Louis Vuitton. Farrell Williams actually sort of dressed
her and she was wearing this like that's a suited thing,
(07:53):
and she basically wore no pants. So Farrell said to her,
you're so short, so no pants for you. So here
we are. Afterwards, people were like, what were you thinking?
And then she kind of wrote back and was like, yeah,
I fucked up.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I trust in the moment, I thought she looked thought
she looked great. She was one of my favorites from
that night. With this, it's very her.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So the criticism was from some person on X saying
because of her proportions, it wasn't quite right. Maybe that's
what she responded to. Again, I think she looked gorgeous.
I liked the color on her. But you know, it's
just funny when people respond to that, because we all
have our worst dressed moments, and not most most of
(08:36):
us don't have to have it in film forever.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I know something was like being an event and realizing
that you look terrible. The other thing about hearing solids
talk about their worst red carpet moments is that I
know about you. But when I first would like find
tabloid mags lying around as a kid, like the hairdresser
or my mum had bought them all something, I'd flick
through them and they would just be dresses that I'm
just like, Oh my god, that's the best anyone has
ever looked. This person looks like a princess. And I
(09:00):
used to always think of this nicole kidman look from
two thousand and four that she wore the Golden Globe
there was like one of my faves. And then it
was only a few years ago for W magazine that
she was like, yeah, my mum hated most of my
red carpet looks. And I was like, well, that's real,
because no one will tell you look bad like your mom.
She feels like it. She's be honest. And then she
references this time she wore a headband to the Golden
(09:20):
Globes and was like, that was too much. It looked terrible,
but I guess we all have to have a few disasters.
And I was like, that was the dress I've been
coveting all these years, and I thought that she looked
so incredible with the head piece and the flapper style
dress and the sequins. Only to know that Nicole Kidman
all these years has hated it, well, I feel betrayed.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Maybe she will be happy because it is iconic to
you and maybe it's what's important.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And she was different from everyone else. They all look
the same, and I just thought that was great, but
she betrayed me.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Just to finish this up, I think we have to
mention Kim Kardashian's bandage dress and platform high heels face,
which she has openly talked about being one of her
least fashionable moment, and like, if you're a Kardashians fan,
you will remember that moment where Kanye walks in to
(10:10):
her wardrobe and starts like pulling and throwing away like
every single item.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Of hate at that moment. I hate it and can
what people say. I've stod on the point. Many times
people get angry, am me, I don't care. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
There's parts of it the bother way, but I also understand.
But she just her two thousand style with those like
lubraton ultra platform high heels, and She's like I basically
had to throw away like thirty pairs of lubatons, and
I was like, I hate.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I know she she talks shit a lot herself on
her like early two thousand style, but I'm like, that
was off the moment. And also I think she forgets
that us watching a home how much we kind of
coveted that look of that. It was like this really
over the top but almost like cheap, easy, affordable glamor
that teenagers and women in their twenties wanted to wear.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
The irv LA bandage dress just has such a choke
hold on millennials. Bring it back, I say, And then
we all just wore like the offcam YEA, like a
cheap version.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I know. I see kids today out clubbing and like
sneakers and jeans. I'm like, how dare you wear an
uncomfortable pair of shoes and a little mini dress like
everyone else I know? And like tough enough and like
walk home and don't take your high heels off like
the rest of it. I mean, covered in blisters and
probably give usself long term bone damage for the rest
of your life. That's why I like a real party girl.
(11:26):
That's what my He's hurt me too. So Pete Davidson
has been kind of under the radar at the moment.
I mean, he's got a new movie out to pick
up with Kiky Palm and Eddie Murphy, so he's around.
I guess I'm just thinking back to a time when
he was on the front cover of every magazine, every
news site on Yeah, those kind of days. So if
we're looking back to that time, he's a bit under
(11:48):
the radar, which is why I thought it was so
interesting that he sat down to do this long form
podcast interview on the Breakfast Club, and he got to
sort of address all these huge things that have been
happening in his life in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And it was super candid and really earnest, which I
quite like we've both listened to the whole thing. So
if you haven't heard of the Breakfast Club, Breakfast is
hosted by Charmaine dj Envy and Angela Yao, And it
was a really great interview. A lot of great things
to pull from it. Some of the things that he said,
(12:22):
and I think particularly around his girlfriend now and the
fact that they're having a baby was really nice. But
it was just really interesting to see him talk about
fame in a way of how it affected him and
how he's taken these steps to prioritize his own mental health.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes, so he was sort of talking about all the
work he's done and coming out of rehab and everything,
but also how he's kind of changed the projects he
appears in and the work he's doing and who he
hangs out with. And it's kind of interesting because he's
going through this whole sort of these catalysts in the
last couple of years in his life and why things
have changed and how difficult it was to be in
the public eye, and understandably the host or a bit
(13:00):
like at one stage, like, well, hold up, was it
really that bad? Because you were super famous, you were
on a TV show, you were dating these beautiful women
who all thing me obsessed with you, and everyone was like,
he's got a huge dick? What was wrong? And from
that moment, that's when Pete gets even more serious and
he starts to tell his side of the story of
how he felt that moment when everyone was talking about
(13:23):
his body.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's embarrassing because you know, first of all, it's Hollywood,
everybody bucks everyone, Yeah, everybody's dating everybody. Why are they
focusing on me? It's because it's I'm not you know,
I'm not Glenn Powell handsome. You know, I'm just this
like dude that tells dick jokes that look that as
a drug addict. So it was like a it was
(13:47):
it was like what it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Was like what?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And it had nothing to do with comedy, and like
also like that stuff affects relationships, like seeing that and
like trying to move around and go on dates and
like just be like a young dude who's trying to
figure out who he is and like not to be like,
I don't want to victimize myself in any way because
(14:12):
I'm cool, but like the sexualization of me, like if
that was a girl, you know, like people will be like,
there'll be a march for it, Like you just seriously,
you're just talking about my dick all day.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Okay. So I actually do understand where he's coming from,
because clearly he was in a pretty troubled time of
his life. He was going through drug addiction and mental health,
and this was kind of his launch into fame and
having all of that out on display. I do have
a slight issue with when men compare the over sexualization
(14:53):
of themselves to that of Well, if it was a woman,
then it would be different. My issue with that is
that contextually and historically, reacting to like deep into this
sexualization of men hasn't inherently been dangerous, whereas for women
that has been a really dangerous place to be in.
(15:15):
So I understand the comparison, but it's not the same
like historically, like contextually.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, And that's kind of what I thought as I
was listening to it as well. I mean I kind
of as I was listening to it, I was really
trying to kind of sit in it and see the
different sides, because I know he has said before he
didn't love it, and he doesn't like this focus on
who he's dating over his work, which again is a
very kind of especially a comedian thing, but an actor
thing of like wanting to be famous for what you're
doing and not just who you're dating, especially if you're
(15:44):
dating women who are more famous than you, and there's
a power and balance. But I always kind of thought
with Pete Davidson that he did like it a little bit,
that he liked this huge cultural moment was happening around him,
because if you kind of go back to twenty eighteen
when this was such a huge thing, Big dig Energy,
do you remember when it took off and all of
a sudden it was being used in everyday lexicon and
it kind of still is, and there was merge and
(16:06):
people and there were photos, There were so many articles
written about it. It's so funny because in the podcast
interview just after that clip, they say, like who started that?
Who wrote that you had big dick energy? And he's like,
I think it was The New York Times, which is
so funny because like that's such a legitimate publication and
it was someone on Twitter Kyral Grant. I feel like
I've to say his name, because he got very angry
(16:26):
that everyone took his phrase. He was talking about Anthony
Bourdain dying and saying that he had big dick energy,
and then it kind of took off. But it wasn't
The New York Times that wrote that Pete Davidson had
big dick energy. It was actually The Cut, which is
owned by the same company. So I can see why
in twenty eighteen that took off, and so I can
see how that kind of escalated. And then he's also
(16:47):
talking this interview about someone you're in a relationship with,
like talking about your body or like talking about your
sex life. So in the interview they say who wasn't
he was like, I'll let you figure it out. And
he's talking about Ariana Grande because she was releasing a
song at the time. That whole thing between her and
Pete being engaged in her walking around with like the
pigtails and the lollipop and everyone was like, what is
(17:09):
that beautiful woman doing with that gross guy, even though
he was like a tall, rich comedian. And someone asked
her on Twitter, like how long is it referring to
her song and she said, oh, it's about ten inches.
Oh wait, you mean the song And that's where it
kind of so I can understand him kind of saying like,
it's the person I'm in a relationship with making the joke.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, And I think as well, like I understand, I
think he's a sensitive guy from this it's almost it's
probably about an hour long. I think he's a sensitive dude.
And I think he just was like, I just want
to surround myself with people that I trust and that
aren't going to try and exploit me in some way
or another. And it took me a really long time
to learn that. So I do understand maybe you just
(17:50):
felt a bit hurt by it, and even though it's positive,
like it is a private thing that you're going through.
But I do take issue with it being compared to
the way women are sexualized, just because historically, like he's
not being punished for it, whereas women often are without
(18:13):
being like overtly feminist. Yeah, I'm not going to go
like too crazy year, but I just think it is
really important to acknowledge that there is a bit of
a different Oh.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
One hundred percent, I think that too, because I think
the consequences for a woman being overly sexualized in the
public eye would be like with Pete Davidson, It's like, yes,
everyone was saying it and they were laughing, but there
was also a sense of like, good on you, like
this is incredible, like and also people being like, let's
put him in more movies and TV shows. And I
actually think the more I listened to him, I actually
don't think he was that upset about it. I know
(18:43):
he's saying that now, but I think he's more upset
about his career being diminished than being overly sexualized. Because
he talks at the fact that he became a joke
at SNL and no one wanted to put him in sketches.
They just wanted to make jokes about him, like he
became a celebrity, not a cast member. And he then
talks about his TV show Buck because, which is based
on his life, the network pushing him to do all
(19:04):
these crazy stories because like that's what Pete Davidson would do.
And I actually think it was more of a career
thing that he wasn't getting seen the way he wanted,
not that he felt that he was being like over
sexual because the thing is like it's something that that
happened to a woman and she was being seen as
like over sexualized. There would be like threats of violence
and death online. She would have to take her safety
(19:25):
really seriously. She would potentially lose work, or she would
only have work in one certain area. And it's just
not the same thing, and it comes up a lot.
It came up this year with the Robert Irwin photos.
We and lots of other people on different podcasts. He
like put out his sexy photo shoot. We were all like,
that's a hot man. And then I think we put
out a video about it because Emily Verner malco host
(19:47):
and this pod was like I just realized that I'm
in love with Robert Irwin. They're still not dating, but
it might happen. And then we got so many comments
from people being like if this was two men talking
about a woman, like this would be so different. You
guys would never be allowed to say it. And it
was mostly men in the comments. Don't know how they
found out pod angry men, because I'm like, this is
the pod for you, so everyone else just not angry men,
And they were so angry that we were allowed to
(20:08):
say that no one was calling us out. But the
difference is that we're saying it in like a way
of like he's really hot, and there's no malice, there's
no intention to like do anything terrible. We weren't saying
anything terrible about him. We weren't treating him as not
a human. And so that's the double standard, like you're
talking about, as well as like it's not said with
malice and danger that we're going to go and physically
(20:29):
attack this man, which is kind of what does happen
to women in that situation.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Absolutely, I mean, I feel like we could talk about
this for a real long time, but we're going to
keep it light here. I mean, I think it's really interesting.
When he talked about like finishing up Bubcurse, he was like,
I think what happened with that show is that it
became this heightened persona, which we've talked about a couple
of times where we love when celebrities play heightened personas.
But it was all he had, and so he was like,
(20:55):
I'm going to leave that behind and focus on myself.
And then he talks a lot about his sobriety.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, that him playing yourself is an interesting thing. Because
like that's why Lrne Michael's the creator of Saturday Night Live.
He just loved Pete as like the idea of him,
apart from the fact that he's very funny, which I
should say is always what I found him so hot
because I'm like, he's a tall, funny man, and I
find him very attractive. It's more so listen to this pot.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think this is also the thing that men are
really confused about often when they're like, why the hell
is he with her? Because he makes her laugh? And
like I think again, women in general are much happier
with a man who's going to make them laugh than
a man with a six pack and like is obsessed
(21:43):
with going to the gym. Like it is factually true.
Look at the women Pete Davidson has exact look at
the women that a lot of comedians have. It's charm,
it's comedy. That is why women are attracted to that.
It's not necessarily about being the best looking guy on
the block.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I don't think it was ever about like all
these women are like kind of downgrading who they are
to date this man. It's like he was seen as
like he still is, but like at the time there's
also I think something about the test man in the
room who's also commanding the room, like choosing you and
like being the one that he's like giving all his
attention to would be a very intoxicating thing. But yeah,
he played himself in bubcuse, he played himself in the
(22:20):
King of Staten Island, and I can kind of see
how like his real life and his on screen life
started to mesh such a way that what did he
say in the pod? Like they wanted to like him
having sex with Martha Stewart doing all these drugs, and
he ended the show. And what I thought was so
lovely and a bit of information I don't think came
out at the time is like when he ended the show,
he continued to pay everyone and make sure they got
(22:43):
money because he knew that he had like effectively destroyed
people's livelihoods and didn't want to be responsible for that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, I thought that was really great. He's like that
really hurt. But the other bit that I found quite
fascinating is how he talks about his relationship with NBAC,
who you know, he'd been with them for ten years,
he'd been on SNL and you know, had this really
strong relationship. He's like, I learned a really hard lesson
because I realized that at the end of the day,
it's a business. But I was like sixteen when I started,
(23:09):
and all of a sudden they didn't care for me.
It just felt like there was a lot of emotional
maturity and growth after that period of his life. And
then we move on to the most recent news that
he has is that he's expecting a baby. Yeah, it's
interesting here He's not having the baby.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yes, he and his partner Elsie Hewitt are having a baby,
which is very cute. It's kind of interesting because over
the last few months, really I've been percolating this idea
that we hadn't done the pod yet, around the makeover
of Pete Davidson, or the evolution of Pete Davidson from
this kind of like drug using party boy Lethario kind
of thing that he was to now being like, I'm
(23:49):
a working actor and I'm trying to be a dramatic
actor and I'm clean. I've had all my tattoos like
being removed except Hillary Clifton.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He tells a story in the pod where he said
he was getting all these tattoos removed and he has
one of Hillary Clinton and she messaged him and it's
just like, not my tattoo, right, and he was like, no, Hillary,
you stay. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But I mean we've heard this before. You know, he
got all of these tattoos removed. He did a campaign
with Reformation where he kind of embraced that bde energy,
which I think is great. That's him kind of but
that's on his terms, which I think is what makes it. Yeah,
Elsie is he talks about her being quite a private person,
but she is a model. She's you know, born in
ninety six in London, has been working on modeling and
(24:29):
also has like a food blog.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
She's a busy gal.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
She's a busy gal, but in terms of like fame,
is not at the level of Pete Davidson. And he
talks a lot about him being like feeling sorry for her.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, and that was the really interesting thing. I Mean,
he got so vulnerable in this podcast where he's talking
about the fact they found out that she was pregnant
and he was so excited because he lost his dad
in the nine eleven attacks. He was a firefighter, and
he always talks about the fact that since he was
a little boy, he's like, I just want to be
a dad. I want to be a dad, because even
though he's super close to his mum and his family
(25:02):
and all that sort of stuff, but he always talks
about wanting to be a dad because he missed out
on having one. And so the two of them being
just so excited about this baby and going to the
doctor and getting papped and the stress that that caused.
And then he said he had to ask the publication
to please don't print the photos yet, because you know,
to wait till a safe time to sort of say
and all this stuff, and so funny cause they'd the
(25:23):
podcast host so like, I guess that's okay that they
waited to put out the photos and stuff, but it's
still pretty dehumanizing. And then he talked about the fact
that they put out like a joint pregnancy post, and
at the time when I saw that, I thought, oh,
that's so classic Pete Davidson, Like he's had this like
funny laugh with this pregnancy post, not knowing the story
behind it was that their hand was forced because the
(25:44):
publication was going to run the photos and so they
had to get it out. And it's so interesting because
one of the hosts on the podcast used to work
for TMZ and used to be in the thick of
like outing people's pregnancies and stuff, and then she has
this realization on the pod. She's like, Oh, I never
really thought about like human beings being behind these stories,
which I mean sounds ridiculous but also a bit of
(26:04):
a wake up call for me and everyone else.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Actually, when I was pregnant this many years ago, I
was at one of my obstration appointments getting an ultrasound,
and there was a very famous woman there who hadn't
announced her pregnancy, and she and this very famous actor
were there together, and I remember specifically sort of looking
at her i'd met her before, looking at her, putting
(26:28):
my eyes down and going, you know what, this is
not my place. And I very consciously said, I am
not saying a word to anybody about this.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yes, because that's how And again I kind of imagine
what a vulnerable time that would be, and it has
become a thing with celebrities to hear about it. And
she was really early.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
She was not showing I was showing at that point.
She was not, and she basically I could tell it
was very very early on in your appointment.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I yeah, again a vulnerable thing. And I think
also like maybe in Australia it's not you don't have
the means to sort of bring the doctors to you
or like close down the hospitals and stuff. I guess
I do it for some people. But you do hear
in Hollywood of celebrities being stuck into doctor's appointments, like
lying in the back of vans or like things being
closed down. And that's the idea that like everyone in Hollywood,
(27:12):
like all the famous women, all go to the same doctor,
and they all sometimes often reference her, even like Rihanna
was asked, what's your favorite thing about La and she's
like my obig way in And they all use the
same woman because she's so discreet, because she'll come to you,
because she'll close the clinic down. It's so interesting to
think of all these famous women with all this money
and power having to lie down on the back of
vans to be driven into doctor's appointments because those photos
(27:35):
sell so well. Or even just walking through the rating
room or like a courier picking something up, or a
delivery or a cleaner or anyone can see you and
just put the information out there.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, I absolutely loved this interview. I would highly recommend
you guys go and have a listen to it. It's
called The Breakfast Club Pete Davidson. It's about an hour long,
but definitely worth it. Lots of great takeaways.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, I do miss him and Kim Kardashian together, but
I'm very happy.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm happy with that guy, but I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He's found his true love and then there's a baby
on the way.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
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