September 24, 2025 • 31 mins
Harry Styles ran a marathon this week, and it turned out to be a grave error. From a fake name and disguise gone wrong to the fan reaction, let's unpack this poor man’s quest to be a runner. (Plus, an update on what he and Zoe Kravitz actually talk about, thanks to some sneaky fans with cameras).
And the former love of our lives, Paul Mescal, has given a new interview that is breaking up friendship groups and diving group chats across the globe. So now we need to dissect it (and try not to die laughing) while Em explains the quote that made her stop loving him.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to this
spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And I'm m Burnham.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And it's a good thing you're here today, m because
we are talking about really the only magazine cover story
that has really shocked me to my call this year.
Oh that's a big call. You're the one who said
it shocked you as well.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, I have a lot of things to I think
this might end up being a Boodly honest review.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It potentially might be a Britly honest review of our
former love. Note the use of the word former. Paul Mescal.
He's on the cover of the new Rolling Stone magazine
and I can't even tell you about this profile, the
depths it goes into. It's made some people fall in
love with him, it's made some people fall out of
love with him.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I have a lot to say, you really do.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
So that is coming up. But first of all, we
must talk about another hot boy of the moment. I thought,
since you were on the show today, m this might
just be all hot boy chat.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I love that this is now my brand. I feel
like one of the shows of one time we talk
about only men, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Which is why would we talk about anything else. Someone
gives some attention to the men or awareness to them.
To me, you all the time men's activist Emily Verde
famous as she's famously known.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Famous men's activists Number one man.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So, I don't know if you saw the pictures or
the videos of the coverage. I did you know? I
I know you were glued to the screen. This is
the first time you followed a marathon story?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, this is like the only thing I know about
this man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
This week Harry Styles ran the Berlin Marathon.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
How the hell?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
How the hell?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well? There's a lot of criticism from the girls who
are like a lot of running and a lot of
music making. A lot of people saying could have been
running towards the studio because it's been a while between
albums and a while between tours.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because I'm assuming for a marathon like that, you would
have to train.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh, absolutely, So he's been training this whole time. You
have to train hardcore. I haven't run a marathon for myself,
but I hear from people. It's very very intense, and
there's a huge training process, not just on like the
running and the lengths, but like the physical build up,
the mental build up, the nutrition, all this sort of stuff.
But yes, he completed the Berlin marathon in two hours,
(02:29):
fifty nine minutes and thirteen seconds. Apparently that's meant to
be amazing time. Yeah, like he did well, that is insane.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Like, not only did he do the marathon, but he
did it what runners are saying.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
In under three hours.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
He did break some rules though, Yes, so the thing
is when you run a marathon, h it doesn't count
unless you post it on your Instagram stories. Yes, so
he broke the rules. You also have to mention that
you run a marathon in every conversation you have for
the next six months. And I have a feeling he's
not the kind of guy to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, he tried to do it. This is so cute.
He tried to do it undercover. He tried to do
it in disguise. So he arrived and he's grown out
the facial hair and it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Just makes them look when.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It was very patchy, he had sunglasses on and a cap.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know how he looked like he looked like the
character he played and don't worry that. Yeah, but before
before he paid to have a fancy makeover before. Yeah, yeah,
that's what he looked like. He looks it looks hot,
like he's so fit.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, he looks like a gruff guy that you would
sort of just see. You wouldn't over a pub. You
wouldn't expect him to be headlining a sold out.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And you know what he isn't, So get on that stage, Harry, start,
that's what we want.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He skulked in head down. People were saying that no
one knew who he was at first because he was
not talking to anyone. He was like head down, sunglasses
cap and he registered under a fake name. Do you
want not? His fake name was not what his fake
name is, dead, Sirandos, that's so much dead dead t
ed Sirrandos.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Like steady on. Maybe that's why I just think if.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You want to have a fake name, you do like
a John's Smith or something something so nondescriptive. If someone
said to me, oh, hi, my name's Steed strand Us,
I'd be like, oh is that short for something? Is
that a family name? Where does that come from Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't like that at all. Oh my god, this
this boy I know.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So I just feel bad for him, because I mean,
I don'teel that bad for him. I feel nothing at all. Actually,
I just.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wish celebrities could talk about marathons the way other people
can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You think he's being held back.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
If I was a celebrity, I wouldn't even run a marathon,
because the whole point of running a marathon is so
you can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, exactly, you want those I really about it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm trying to understand the necessity of why maybe he.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Did do it. The thing is, a lot of people
are really ragging on him, as I said, about the
fact that they don't think he's working enough. He hasn't
got like any big movies like on the Nearby Horizon
as far as we know, like we don't know when
his album's coming out, he's not going to tour for
a while. So people do think that he's just been
putting his energy in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh well, it's definitely a direction.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I just yeah, just not the right direction people want it.
But I feel like he's in full marathons like holiday mode,
because you know, how when he's not training for a
marathon and being s dead, he's walking.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He's walking.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's walking the streets of every city in Europe arm
in arm with Zoe Kravitt.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah, they're still doing that. By the way, amer
convinced him to do the marri Maybe maybe, like, Babe,
I can't be the only one holding this relationship, Like
you can't just be following me from premiere to premiere's
work something.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Do you think she was in the crowd with like
a sign.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I think it'd be very one of those like Cringey.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Signs where it's like push here for energy boost and
then they cap it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
This is the thought of Zoe Kravitz doing that is oh.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Family Lenny Kravitt.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, he walks out on leather pants. Maybe he was
giving Maybe he was a.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Musical guest, because if we know it wasn't Harry.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But as we've been seeing Zoe and Harry wander around
various European cities arm in arm because people are always
filming them as they will pass, we're getting just one
sentence of their conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So we were stitching it together.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We could sitch it together one like little bit of
audio that I saw was then walking past, and Zobe goes,
I'm excited, and then you can't hear what she says.
And I also think it's a huge disservice to that
person who didn't follow after them and keep filming.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, how are they?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And then there's another one where they're walking along and
now I'm thinking about Harry's not doing any talking. He's
always talking, and I think that's fair because she seems
to be the more interesting one.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
She seems to be doing everything.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
She goes. You know the thing about our friendship circle
is and then they walk past.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
What Okay, we do not endorse paparatic castle here, but
now I'm endorsing it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, follow through, But also, these aren't the old school
aggressive kids are chasing. Yeah, they're girls with iPhones who
are there on a European vaca, probably with their parents.
Think of them, and you know what, they're the people
we can trust. Yeah, and they're the ones you should
be doing the follow through. Follow for one more second.
What about their friendship group? Is there a fight? Is
there a drama?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Is their friendship group? It's like who would be in
that group?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's just all that kind of hot mid to young
Hollywood range. So it's like the Austin Butler's, the Jonah's brothers,
the Jonas brothers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I feel like a Glenn Powe will be in there.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Glen Powell's in there, even getting into that whole Nina
Dobo of Kelly Teller, Taylor Swift, but then also Riley Keo,
Dakota Johnson's in there too.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Do you think it'll be Zach Efron or Dylan Efron?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think like Dylan comes with Zach and then everyone
I know Dylan Efron, who if anyone doesn't know Zac
Efron's hot brother.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, okay, you think Zac Efron's had way to see
Dylan there.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Front exactly he did the Traders and then he did
Dance in the Stars. I think it's like Zach gets
invited and he brings Dylan and everyone likes Dylan Moore,
that whole siblings situation. So anyway, Harry Styles run a marathon,
I think is a takeaway from that.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's like, no thoughts, Harry Styles runs a marathon and
you know what, he should stop and start making some music.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, well that was the takeaway. Again. People were not happy.
The boy's just trying to. He's just trying to run.
He's just trying to want to. You just see someone
say he's running because he's not allowed to drive. Do
you know what that's about.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's about his car.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's about the fact that people think that he and
Taylor Swift were involved in a hit and run and
that he was involved in her in the Hiculo minslaughter
because and that he was That's what get away cars.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
She wrote that song about.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So they think that he came to figure up for
a date. Listen to the song. It's all there. He
came to pick up for a date and he ran
someone over and then they never told me one and
then she wrote a song about it, and everyone's like,
have we seen him drive since?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And then she left him at a hotel?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, get away car after.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That's why I had to learn on run.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, and now he has to run because he can't drive.
So it all makes sense at the end of the day.
Congrats to you, Harry Styles, keep running some don't let
anyone stop you. Stead surrendous deserves to run another day.
So onto Rolling Stones knewest issue.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
From one running man to another.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's so true. I wonder who would win out of
Harry Styles and poor Meschool and a race. It depends
who's chasing them, Yeah, exactly, which one of the ex
girlfriends is trying to catch up with them?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah. If that's the case, I'm definitely on the side
of the girl who's doing the chasing because she have
a reason.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yes, and she would be the better runner.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, exactly. You don't chase those weedy men. Nless. He's
done something bad too anyway, as you can tell, and
he's gone off Poor Mescal after this article. So Poor
Mescal is on the cover of the new Rolling Stone
issue and it's a very in debt celebrity profile. It's
one of those ones you can tell it wasn't just
done the side of a photo shoot. The journalist who
wrote the interview, Alex Morris, I have to say I
(09:32):
love her. She's a contributing editor at Rolling Stone, and
her turn of phrase about Paul Mescal throughout this article
is incredible because I can't tell if she pities him
or she's in love with him. I think it's a
bit of both.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
He was the perfect decision, yeah, for this interview. This
interview reads like the worst first date. Really ever heard.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Oh my god, I did not pick up on that.
I actually thought he came okay, this is the point.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
There's no way you thought he came across good in this.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I actually think he came across cried in deering. But
I wasn't coming.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I was an issue with dating right now. Okay, let's
say so, okay, this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Is when I just put her no down, put everything down,
say what you need to say. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
This is the type of guy that you go on
a first date with. Yeah, and then you're like, this
was the best date of my life. Like, he's so interesting.
He has all this knowledge about music and about life,
and he knows what he wants and he's so like
generous with his time, and he's like he really like
considers like therapy, and he's like so like forward thinking.
(10:34):
And then you get home and then you're like, was
he interesting or did he just say a lot of things?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah? To be honest, I don't even think he said
a lot of things. Do you know what I think
I'm in love with in this? I think I'm more
in love with Alex Morrison's writing of him. And you
know what I can tell is that I actually think
in a different writer's hands, because this has happened to
me before two This would be a very dull interview
because he doesn't actually say.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's more, she writes a lot about what he doesn't say,
as in like what he's doing when he's not talking.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Which can I just tell you if you ever read
like the other day, I literally did like a five
minute interview with an actress, and if you've listened to
the past episods, you know what I'm talking about. And
I wrote like a two thousand word article about it
because her silence and what she didn't say and what
I thought she was trying to convey and why I
thought she was doing it was so much more interesting
than anything she actually said. And I think that's in
(11:24):
this article. So we're going to take you through some
of the highlights, and we can you can make up
your own mind whether you date poor Mescal or not
that he's available. So the article itself is called Paul
Mescal is trying to break your heart? Are you in?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Didn't succeed so well?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
He kind of did, because you used to be in
love with him and now you're not.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
You're going through a breakup right now. Before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I wanted to say something really mean, but I think
I might say it for the end.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Oh, okay, produce a minition, make a note that.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think we have to convince the spillers of our.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, we'll save M's mean commentary till the end. So
that's the title. Then it goes on to say there
may be no actor better at playing emotional devastation. We
meet up with him in London to try and figure
out why the opening line is so good. I have
a sneaking suspicion that everybody wants to be in a musical,
says Paul Mescal without a hint of irony, reaching into
(12:14):
an off license refrigerator and pulling out a pink g
and tea a can like, give the man a chance.
You savaged him in the first line. Pink pink, pink,
off license refrigerator. Should we get a cold one of these,
he says. He grabs two, then saunters up to the
(12:35):
till for a pack of Marlborough Golds and a cheap
plastic lider, and then they take off for a walk
through a nearby park. So they're in London together, she says.
Paul greets people he smiles, he skirts around old people,
he smiles at babies, And basically she just said he.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Is so like anyone walking down the streets, literally anyone
walking down the street.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I know, but I think she's trying to convey that
he's trying to be like such a nice guy. He
didn't ram down that old man who was taking up
room on the sidewalk, He just walked past him.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I like how she also describes his earphone at tickets.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Oh wait, what was that bit? I think I missed it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
How he like takes them and like swings them across.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Why is everything about this so funny?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's so funny. She writes it so well. With this interview,
I just felt like he comes across as someone who
because he's so so famous, he's so careful about what
he is saying. But he is clearly thinks he's like
safe in what he's not saying, and he's not at
all in this because he's talking about what he's not saying.
But he also feels like he's someone that he wants
(13:43):
people to think that he's super deep and super emotional
and super intelligent, but he's also like, but I don't
cry all the time. Do people think I cry all
the time? I don't cry all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that part is quite funny, and it comes to
what is my favorite part. So in that part of
the article, he's talking about his preparation for the upcoming
Beatles movie, which I find that stuff really interesting. The
fact that they get picked up earlier in the morning,
driven like two hours to the rehearsal site, the whole
way they listen into Beatles' music. He's trying to learn
how to play left handed because like that's the correct
(14:14):
way for the character he's playing. All this sort of stuff,
and he also says he's reading a book at the
moment about the Beatles, and he says he also reads,
he reads, guys.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
He reads. Yeah, I agree. I think that part's really interesting,
especially that we know that it's like essentially four films
about each character, and he's playing Paul McCartney, who is
arguably the most famous. Yeah, and that he like he
loves Paul McCartney so much. He's really the whole interview,
Oh my god, the ending of the interview just gave
me the biggest egg. I just remembered it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But so much coming guy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I think he's like so so in love with what
he does, which is so fine to be, like, you're
so fine to be in love with what you do.
But then when you're trying really really hard to convince
people that there's a reason why you love something, it
comes across so cringe.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, he doesn't want people to think he's cringe because
he's talking about the book.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
He is, you know he is.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
No, I'm just saying he's tak Can had the book
and he said the book's been making him cry. And
then he goes, it's so moving, It's so moving. Okare
to say twice I was crying so much? And then
she writes, he catches himself and grins, and then he says,
do people just think I'm crying all the time? He says,
tucking into a second drink that has seemed to materialize
(15:30):
in front of him. I'm not. I hate crying. I
couldn't tell you the last time I cried before last Sunday,
for example. So what you cried on Sunday? This happened
on like Tuesday? What does he mean?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Can you just imagine her being like being her sitting
opposite him. She didn't even ask him a freaking question.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, I'm prompted.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
He just went on that rambay and then he.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Said he declines to go into what made him cry
last Sunday. So I got to say, this is a daily.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Like he's going in. He's like, it made me cry
so much? Do people think I cry? Oh my god,
I don't cry that much except for last Sunday. But
I don't cry that much. Is fine, But don't ask
me why I cry. That's weird you ask me why cry.
I'm a private person.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So I was like, he's about to cry right now.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I'm like, oh my god. Actually, like throughout this whole
into you, I actually genuinely can't tell how many questions
she asked him.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, it's interesting. Well, I guess you don't always put
your questions in that you don't write. Then I asked this.
Then I asked that, So she's only putting him in.
So I mean, don't maybe defend Paul Mescal, but I
think this part of the interview with a crying conversation
is happening. It's the second day of their hangout together.
This woman spent nearly two full days with Paul Mescal,
and one was them buying drinks and cigarettes. Then they
(16:35):
went for a really long walk together. The next day,
they meet at a secret pub that he when he
was doing a theater run. He frequented it all the
time and he still goes there and he tells her
not to tell anyone about it. And it's in the
article I checked, because you know what the name wasn't it? No, No,
the one of the first pubs they went to. Okay, Okay,
maybe it isn't there is that when they call it's
(16:56):
called like the.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Balls or something. Yeah, the Rocky.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Balls, Yeah, something like that. We won't give it away.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's not going to be that, I promise you. But
that's just I.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Think that's their first pub they when they meant to
go through the park. I don't think she names them
the second one because you just.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, that's not there for the pub because I need
public No.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I know about Paul mescal that's his one little refuge
in the world where he goes to have a drink.
And you just know that if that was made public,
that that's his spot he goes all the time. That
he would just be filled with screaming girls every day
looking for a photo with him, and then he'll cry
and then and it's eaving because they're sitting in the
secret pub and he's like, and then they have musicians
setting up and they have drinks and he goes, hey,
(17:34):
the lads are all here, Hey lads. Someone's like, do
these people know Paul? Is he a local? Is he
just some random I can just imagine this old man
going huh. They're like, why is that young man who's
always in here crying? Now he's brought like a nice
young woman in reading the book crying and he doesn't
say anything about his love life. He says, he gets
very embarrassed for a while.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I feel like he was cheering up when he was
saying this.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
He was crying saying this, and Alex is like, I
can't put this in the article because it's it's just
I'll crucify this man if I do. She's had to
protect him because he gets asked about his relationship, and
apparently he paused for a long time. He didn't know
what to say, and then he's like, excludas, I don't
know what to say about that, but I'm not gonna
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I don't know what to say about that, but actually
I do, but I don't want to talk about it.
Because it's very important to me, and he.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Said very precious to me. So we know that he
and Gracie Abrams have been dating for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now they've gone So this is the only reason why
people wanted to read this interview to.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Find out about Gracie. Yes, yeah, I mean I see,
like people always very fascinated with him.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
They talk so much about each other without talking about
each other, Like remember when she did that massive cosmo Yeah,
and that whole thing was about like her sex life
and sex positivity and like relationships and not one that
she mentioned.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I know. I think they know that there's so much
interest in their relationship. Once they say anything, it'll just
blow up. And they're both very of the like we're artists.
We're not here for the fame or here for the money.
We're just here to make art.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Even think she asked him about Daisy ed goad Jones.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, but I don't think he and Daisy egg Jones
ever hooked up.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't think they might have, but I think they will. Really,
they genuinely believe they're meant to be together.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I just love the idea that they're just best friends
going to be together. They would just be together. It's
been so many years, it's the fact, and they're together
all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
He mentions her in every single interview, loves her. He
loves a friends so much. No, it's more than he
loves us so much. When Joseph Quinn was like, what
celebrity looks like me, he literally, without skipping a big
goes get sometimes and he was like, no, no.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Do you think that he just thinks everyone looks a
bit like Daisy good Jones because he's always looking for
her in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I do think that.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Can I tell you my most surprising moment from this
whole thing, this whole three thousand something would piece of
really just performative art from Paul Mesco walking the streets
of London pretending to smoke cigarettes in his little shorts,
is that they get into the fact that he kind
of grew up as a golden boy, which I feel
like he keeps under wraps that he was a jocket school.
And then he was like, yeah, that's what I'm getting to.
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So he was like jock at school. He was like
the sporty guy. Everyone loved him. Everyone at school loved him.
His family adored him, like his brother and sister obsessed
with him, and they really paint him as like kind
of different. He's painted himself. I think in the past
is like a little bit of like the artsy underground guy.
And I was like, oh, so you were like the
school hero prom care.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm pretty sure I was very close to his role
in normal people. Yeah, like in high school because he
played football and he was really good, apparently according to
this interview.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, he says he was really said it was really good.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He also broke his nose, which is why he was
he was able to play the gladiator so well because
he just looked so roman That's what she says.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
She says, like it was before a game and they
were practicing with the football and someone throw a football
and I think the correct phrasing from the interview is
he boofed it, which I think means he hit it
with his head.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think he also said he missed his previous notes.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, he mourned his previous nose because apparently he had
a perfect face.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I love to see if I do think that nose
would have made him like him. Breaking his nose has
made him so much better.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What do you think because he looks a bit more
like like floor.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, you want a man with a little floor.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, I don't want a perfect note. I love to
see the old nose just to compare and contrast. But yes,
apparently he broke his nose. It healed badly, and he
said he mourns his old nose. But then he said
he had this like reckoning in high school. I love
how everyone has like a past darkness that they draw on,
and Paul Mescal's past darkness and hard time that he
draws on is that he was torn between being the
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star of the football team and the star of the
school play. He said. The direct quote from him is
it got a bit Troy Bolton esque for a while.
And I said, I literally ghased as I was reading
the article, because I'm like, sir, are you quoting high
school musical?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, you know why he quoted it. Me and Paul
Mescal are the exact same age. Yeah, we were the
high school musical generation. Like we were like it was
a perfect age for us, Like we were obsessed with
high school musicalal it was the movie of our generation.
So I know as a kid, he watched that and
I was like, I'm going to do that. Well, yeah,
I don't think it was a push and pull. I
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think it was very much football going, you're not good
at this, go into theater.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Because he paints it as I never thought i'd see
the day where poor Mescal comes out as a closeted
high school musical fan, but the day has come, because
he does say that he was really torn between football
and theater, and people made him feel like he had
to choose, and he didn't want to choose.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
He wanted to be Troe Bolton and do both. Yeah,
but I don't believe that. I honestly believe that they
were like, just do theater, like it's what you're good at.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, that he was now and he was like, oh
what do I do?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
They both want me on both sides, and they're like,
we are telling you do theater. You're not good at football.
He broke your nose in practice, not even in an
actual game. Like, just go do theater. You'll be fine.
He's like, what the way I do? It's so hard,
it's so hard being me tro Bolton.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh my god, you were so off him. It's crazy.
You know what else? Okay, So okay, it's the way
we ad the beme part. Yeah, yeah, okay, great, this
was up everyone.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Actually the interview that made me pissed off and but
pushed me over the line.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I started having a bad taste for mescal because he
did a previous interview where he was asked, what is
your pet peeve? Do you remember this? No, guess what
he said?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Rude people?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He said laziness. Oh, he said people who are lazy.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
How is his pet peeve?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I'm like, how does me being lazy have anything to.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Do with you? Well, if he's ez these people just
sitting and he's like, get up, get up from that.
SA Like if he said to you hate Emily, do
you want to come and get some pink G and
t's and watch High School Musical and you said no,
I'm too lazy. He hate that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I know. I just be like I'm just like, yeah,
I'm just at home, just chilling. He'd be like, you lazy,
and that is my pet peeve. I hate and her laziness.
But like that as a pet peeve when it's like
has nothing to do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Usually pet peeve.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Has some massive impact on your life.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, he just hates laziness. I'm going to be honest,
I'm not as upset as you about And.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
For me, no, it was the one thing where I
was like, I immediately went and that is the day
I realized Paul Mescal is just hot.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
But is a question mem When we saw him, Emily
and I was just going to get that means okay,
well here we are, you can say it. So Emily
and I were up very close and personal with Paul
Mescal when he came to Australia for the Gladia premiere
and it's hot in there. I'll be the first to
say it. My hair also looks bad in those premieres.
I was sweating too. I was also annoyed there were
too many people. It was intense.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He looked like every.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Celebrity in those situations except bar a few. They all
look tired and tiny and sweaty and paler than you
think and just little broken human beings. And that's what
Paul Mescal looked like. We didn't even like him any less.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
He didn't have like the celebrity glow. He wasn't rugged like,
he didn't look like Zendeia, he didn't look like Tom Cruise.
He didn't have that like celebrity.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
He doesn't have the aura of a celebrity, Like if
you were to he would love you saying that, though
I actually don't think he wants the aura of a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I don't want to care if I make him happy.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, So I keep fearing you guys are broken arm.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
If you like walk past him on the street, you
wouldn't do a double take.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, Like he could run the marathon without a fake name. Yes,
him around.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Side by side harryst and everyone will be like, look
at Harry's.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I was like, who's that guy really existed?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He's going into a nondescript pub, no.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
One's saying the name. He'll cry, He's drinking about and
the right.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think he's struggling with his celebritiness right now, like
it he feels like he doesn't know what he wants,
Like he feels like he's holding on so tightly to
his everyday life because he does, like talk a lot
about his family and how much he loves being around
his siblings and his family. And I feel like he
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is now in a position where he knows that he
has to be extra cautious and keeping those things private,
and he's just kind of in this crossroads of like
how much do I want to show to the world
versus how much can I keep private without becoming a meme.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Now that he's got to make a star girlfriend, now
that he's in Blockbusters, it is a different world to
that first hit of popularity he had from normal people,
because that could have faded away very quickly.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, because that happened also in COVID, and then he
was getting a ton of followers, and then he obviously
freaks immediately put his Instagram on private.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So fair like, there are only two people I know.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Who follow him on Instagram because they followed him straight
after normal people got related.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh did you with you that quick?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I wasn't. They also haven't watched normal people.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Oh that's right. I always forget that you he was
your celebrity crush for so long and you never watched him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Was Gladiator and he was great in that.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Chris, not on the red carpet.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Just on the red carpet. But I think it was
mainly not this interview with a laziness comment that pushed
me over the edge.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Why do you think that is? Because can I say
your reaction is very fair, It's an extreme reaction. I
don't think most people would have that reaction. Why do
you think you feel so triggered by that? I think
it was I wish we could have this therapy.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I think it was the idea that, like when you
have a big celebrity crush, Yeah, the best thing about
having a crush is that you don't know that much
about them.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, so you you had this belief that you could
be together if you can that personality and then you
can like do something. Daydreams and frequents our neighborhood. He's
been in bars and pubs in our like shared neighborhood,
So it's not out of the realm of possibility that one.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Day you could have into him because he lives next door.
But okay, just imagine you're on a dating app. You're swiping.
You see a beautiful Paul mescal.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Look, I see a little broken nose.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Do you see the broken nose? He looks gorgeous. There's
one he's got the lyrics to high school musical of
him and like fantomlyther, you go bro. The next one,
he's playing football.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
He doesn't all he's soon and then you have the prompts.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The first prompt you see my pet peeve lazy people
what are you gonna do? You're gonna swipe left if
someone asks you a question that broad and you go
into laziness.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I was so personal. It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
It's slipe left the no one yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And I just think it was just one of those
things where I'm like, I feel like it says more
about him than just I don't like lazy people.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Okay. Oh, I mean, I don't mean to that rumors.
Do you think it's like a bit of fat phobia
in there? That's not a broad swing. That's what people
say is code a lot of the time. I think
it's I don't want to put it on.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's very like alpha male is, where it's like, what
are you doing if you're not doing the most at
all times?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Why do you think that's an odd He has been brought.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Up in like a privilege like society, like he hasn't
like we obviously don't know much about his home life,
but there's like no evidence of him talking about like
struggling as a kid or anything like that. Like he's
been brought up in a big family, in a big home,
And I think it's just one of those things where
if that's your answer to a question that's so so broad,
and you're not afraid of that being your answer, then
that says a lot about you.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah. Wow, the fall of poor Mescal before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I don't know why I'm so passionate did this?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, well, I mean you're going through a breakup. He's
not the man and he thought he was.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And the ending just gave me the biggest He started
singing where he's like man's plaining, like he's been playing
guitar for two seconds left handed, and then he started
like man'splaining the techniques of like they were watching a
band in the pub and he was like explaining like
how they're making music. He was literally like, see how
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she's like singing and he's trying to get the cord
and he's trying to watch her hand to be able
to do that, and then he just starts singing and
that's how it ends.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So she was probably so traumatized just off from walked away.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The world doesn't need to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
This, Oh, like, did the cover do anything to inspire
your aus? Because he's they've literally put dirt on that
man and they've blasted his face with face tuned to
all hell. I think they refixed his notes.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
All the photos are very this one photo where he's
lying on a butsh yeah, onto something like dead brand.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
He was trying to be very active. This one where
he's like leaping in the air. But the cover photo
they picked is him like on the floor, kind of
like straddling the ground, and then someone's put mud all over. Yeah,
it was very solid to show that he's a man.
I think.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, they like, don't forget, don't forget this man cries.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Look at this dirty man. Well, I'm sorry for your breakup.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I thought the interview, like, this interview is brilliant. I
want to read all of her work.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, it was so good. The way she painted a
picture of him. It's a little bit damning for poor Mescal.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Who would You're right, Like, I have friends who read
this interview because this was a big topic in our
girl group chat. Really and I like where half and half,
like half of them are like this made him like
look so good, Like it's so amazing to see men talking,
and then it is like it is too like men,
especially Hollywood men. I feel like it's only this new
generation that they're talking about like their vulnerable side and
to therapy, and a man saying that I go to
(30:28):
therapy is like so incredibly important, especially for other men who.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Cannot think of like coming up through my teen years
or even like all the big movie star alpha male
action heroes that I grew up watching in movies and
then the next crop that came before them, anyone talking
the way he does.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And I think that's so so important for like the
broadest society. And but it's I think it's just like
the people who were obsessed with him like I was,
who read every interview about him, who thought they knew
everything about him, like reading something like, oh, this just
seems like like my worst life every day ever.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Well, well, Lincoln in the show notes the interview that
made Emily Vernon fall out of love with Paul mescal
Toy Bolton. He'd like to be.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Called I would DATEO Bolton though, yeah, anyone would. Thank
you so much for listening to this episode of the Spill.
Do not forget that you can watch all of our
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Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bye bye bye
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to this
spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And I'm m Burnham.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And it's a good thing you're here today, m because
we are talking about really the only magazine cover story
that has really shocked me to my call this year.
Oh that's a big call. You're the one who said
it shocked you as well.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, I have a lot of things to I think
this might end up being a Boodly honest review.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It potentially might be a Britly honest review of our
former love. Note the use of the word former. Paul Mescal.
He's on the cover of the new Rolling Stone magazine
and I can't even tell you about this profile, the
depths it goes into. It's made some people fall in
love with him, it's made some people fall out of
love with him.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I have a lot to say, you really do.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
So that is coming up. But first of all, we
must talk about another hot boy of the moment. I thought,
since you were on the show today, m this might
just be all hot boy chat.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I love that this is now my brand. I feel
like one of the shows of one time we talk
about only men, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Which is why would we talk about anything else. Someone
gives some attention to the men or awareness to them.
To me, you all the time men's activist Emily Verde
famous as she's famously known.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Famous men's activists Number one man.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So, I don't know if you saw the pictures or
the videos of the coverage. I did you know? I
I know you were glued to the screen. This is
the first time you followed a marathon story?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, this is like the only thing I know about
this man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
This week Harry Styles ran the Berlin Marathon.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
How the hell?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
How the hell?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well? There's a lot of criticism from the girls who
are like a lot of running and a lot of
music making. A lot of people saying could have been
running towards the studio because it's been a while between
albums and a while between tours.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because I'm assuming for a marathon like that, you would
have to train.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh, absolutely, So he's been training this whole time. You
have to train hardcore. I haven't run a marathon for myself,
but I hear from people. It's very very intense, and
there's a huge training process, not just on like the
running and the lengths, but like the physical build up,
the mental build up, the nutrition, all this sort of stuff.
But yes, he completed the Berlin marathon in two hours,
(02:29):
fifty nine minutes and thirteen seconds. Apparently that's meant to
be amazing time. Yeah, like he did well, that is insane.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Like, not only did he do the marathon, but he
did it what runners are saying.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
In under three hours.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
He did break some rules though, Yes, so the thing
is when you run a marathon, h it doesn't count
unless you post it on your Instagram stories. Yes, so
he broke the rules. You also have to mention that
you run a marathon in every conversation you have for
the next six months. And I have a feeling he's
not the kind of guy to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, he tried to do it. This is so cute.
He tried to do it undercover. He tried to do
it in disguise. So he arrived and he's grown out
the facial hair and it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Just makes them look when.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It was very patchy, he had sunglasses on and a cap.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know how he looked like he looked like the
character he played and don't worry that. Yeah, but before
before he paid to have a fancy makeover before. Yeah, yeah,
that's what he looked like. He looks it looks hot,
like he's so fit.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, he looks like a gruff guy that you would
sort of just see. You wouldn't over a pub. You
wouldn't expect him to be headlining a sold out.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And you know what he isn't, So get on that stage, Harry, start,
that's what we want.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He skulked in head down. People were saying that no
one knew who he was at first because he was
not talking to anyone. He was like head down, sunglasses
cap and he registered under a fake name. Do you
want not? His fake name was not what his fake
name is, dead, Sirandos, that's so much dead dead t
ed Sirrandos.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Like steady on. Maybe that's why I just think if.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You want to have a fake name, you do like
a John's Smith or something something so nondescriptive. If someone
said to me, oh, hi, my name's Steed strand Us,
I'd be like, oh is that short for something? Is
that a family name? Where does that come from Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't like that at all. Oh my god, this
this boy I know.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So I just feel bad for him, because I mean,
I don'teel that bad for him. I feel nothing at all. Actually,
I just.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wish celebrities could talk about marathons the way other people
can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You think he's being held back.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
If I was a celebrity, I wouldn't even run a marathon,
because the whole point of running a marathon is so
you can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, exactly, you want those I really about it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm trying to understand the necessity of why maybe he.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Did do it. The thing is, a lot of people
are really ragging on him, as I said, about the
fact that they don't think he's working enough. He hasn't
got like any big movies like on the Nearby Horizon
as far as we know, like we don't know when
his album's coming out, he's not going to tour for
a while. So people do think that he's just been
putting his energy in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh well, it's definitely a direction.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I just yeah, just not the right direction people want it.
But I feel like he's in full marathons like holiday mode,
because you know, how when he's not training for a
marathon and being s dead, he's walking.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He's walking.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's walking the streets of every city in Europe arm
in arm with Zoe Kravitt.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah, they're still doing that. By the way, amer
convinced him to do the marri Maybe maybe, like, Babe,
I can't be the only one holding this relationship, Like
you can't just be following me from premiere to premiere's
work something.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Do you think she was in the crowd with like
a sign.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I think it'd be very one of those like Cringey.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Signs where it's like push here for energy boost and
then they cap it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
This is the thought of Zoe Kravitz doing that is oh.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Family Lenny Kravitt.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, he walks out on leather pants. Maybe he was
giving Maybe he was a.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Musical guest, because if we know it wasn't Harry.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But as we've been seeing Zoe and Harry wander around
various European cities arm in arm because people are always
filming them as they will pass, we're getting just one
sentence of their conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So we were stitching it together.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We could sitch it together one like little bit of
audio that I saw was then walking past, and Zobe goes,
I'm excited, and then you can't hear what she says.
And I also think it's a huge disservice to that
person who didn't follow after them and keep filming.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, how are they?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And then there's another one where they're walking along and
now I'm thinking about Harry's not doing any talking. He's
always talking, and I think that's fair because she seems
to be the more interesting one.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
She seems to be doing everything.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
She goes. You know the thing about our friendship circle
is and then they walk past.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
What Okay, we do not endorse paparatic castle here, but
now I'm endorsing it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, follow through, But also, these aren't the old school
aggressive kids are chasing. Yeah, they're girls with iPhones who
are there on a European vaca, probably with their parents.
Think of them, and you know what, they're the people
we can trust. Yeah, and they're the ones you should
be doing the follow through. Follow for one more second.
What about their friendship group? Is there a fight? Is
there a drama?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Is their friendship group? It's like who would be in
that group?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's just all that kind of hot mid to young
Hollywood range. So it's like the Austin Butler's, the Jonah's brothers,
the Jonas brothers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I feel like a Glenn Powe will be in there.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Glen Powell's in there, even getting into that whole Nina
Dobo of Kelly Teller, Taylor Swift, but then also Riley Keo,
Dakota Johnson's in there too.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Do you think it'll be Zach Efron or Dylan Efron?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think like Dylan comes with Zach and then everyone
I know Dylan Efron, who if anyone doesn't know Zac
Efron's hot brother.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, okay, you think Zac Efron's had way to see
Dylan there.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Front exactly he did the Traders and then he did
Dance in the Stars. I think it's like Zach gets
invited and he brings Dylan and everyone likes Dylan Moore,
that whole siblings situation. So anyway, Harry Styles run a marathon,
I think is a takeaway from that.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's like, no thoughts, Harry Styles runs a marathon and
you know what, he should stop and start making some music.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, well that was the takeaway. Again. People were not happy.
The boy's just trying to. He's just trying to run.
He's just trying to want to. You just see someone
say he's running because he's not allowed to drive. Do
you know what that's about.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's about his car.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's about the fact that people think that he and
Taylor Swift were involved in a hit and run and
that he was involved in her in the Hiculo minslaughter
because and that he was That's what get away cars.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
She wrote that song about.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So they think that he came to figure up for
a date. Listen to the song. It's all there. He
came to pick up for a date and he ran
someone over and then they never told me one and
then she wrote a song about it, and everyone's like,
have we seen him drive since?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And then she left him at a hotel?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, get away car after.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That's why I had to learn on run.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, and now he has to run because he can't drive.
So it all makes sense at the end of the day.
Congrats to you, Harry Styles, keep running some don't let
anyone stop you. Stead surrendous deserves to run another day.
So onto Rolling Stones knewest issue.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
From one running man to another.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's so true. I wonder who would win out of
Harry Styles and poor Meschool and a race. It depends
who's chasing them, Yeah, exactly, which one of the ex
girlfriends is trying to catch up with them?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah. If that's the case, I'm definitely on the side
of the girl who's doing the chasing because she have
a reason.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yes, and she would be the better runner.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, exactly. You don't chase those weedy men. Nless. He's
done something bad too anyway, as you can tell, and
he's gone off Poor Mescal after this article. So Poor
Mescal is on the cover of the new Rolling Stone
issue and it's a very in debt celebrity profile. It's
one of those ones you can tell it wasn't just
done the side of a photo shoot. The journalist who
wrote the interview, Alex Morris, I have to say I
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love her. She's a contributing editor at Rolling Stone, and
her turn of phrase about Paul Mescal throughout this article
is incredible because I can't tell if she pities him
or she's in love with him. I think it's a
bit of both.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
He was the perfect decision, yeah, for this interview. This
interview reads like the worst first date. Really ever heard.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Oh my god, I did not pick up on that.
I actually thought he came okay, this is the point.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
There's no way you thought he came across good in this.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I actually think he came across cried in deering. But
I wasn't coming.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I was an issue with dating right now. Okay, let's
say so, okay, this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Is when I just put her no down, put everything down,
say what you need to say. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
This is the type of guy that you go on
a first date with. Yeah, and then you're like, this
was the best date of my life. Like, he's so interesting.
He has all this knowledge about music and about life,
and he knows what he wants and he's so like
generous with his time, and he's like he really like
considers like therapy, and he's like so like forward thinking.
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And then you get home and then you're like, was
he interesting or did he just say a lot of things?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah? To be honest, I don't even think he said
a lot of things. Do you know what I think
I'm in love with in this? I think I'm more
in love with Alex Morrison's writing of him. And you
know what I can tell is that I actually think
in a different writer's hands, because this has happened to
me before two This would be a very dull interview
because he doesn't actually say.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's more, she writes a lot about what he doesn't say,
as in like what he's doing when he's not talking.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Which can I just tell you if you ever read
like the other day, I literally did like a five
minute interview with an actress, and if you've listened to
the past episods, you know what I'm talking about. And
I wrote like a two thousand word article about it
because her silence and what she didn't say and what
I thought she was trying to convey and why I
thought she was doing it was so much more interesting
than anything she actually said. And I think that's in
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this article. So we're going to take you through some
of the highlights, and we can you can make up
your own mind whether you date poor Mescal or not
that he's available. So the article itself is called Paul
Mescal is trying to break your heart? Are you in?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Didn't succeed so well?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
He kind of did, because you used to be in
love with him and now you're not.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
You're going through a breakup right now. Before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I wanted to say something really mean, but I think
I might say it for the end.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Oh, okay, produce a minition, make a note that.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think we have to convince the spillers of our.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, we'll save M's mean commentary till the end. So
that's the title. Then it goes on to say there
may be no actor better at playing emotional devastation. We
meet up with him in London to try and figure
out why the opening line is so good. I have
a sneaking suspicion that everybody wants to be in a musical,
says Paul Mescal without a hint of irony, reaching into
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an off license refrigerator and pulling out a pink g
and tea a can like, give the man a chance.
You savaged him in the first line. Pink pink, pink,
off license refrigerator. Should we get a cold one of these,
he says. He grabs two, then saunters up to the
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till for a pack of Marlborough Golds and a cheap
plastic lider, and then they take off for a walk
through a nearby park. So they're in London together, she says.
Paul greets people he smiles, he skirts around old people,
he smiles at babies, And basically she just said he.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Is so like anyone walking down the streets, literally anyone
walking down the street.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I know, but I think she's trying to convey that
he's trying to be like such a nice guy. He
didn't ram down that old man who was taking up
room on the sidewalk, He just walked past him.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I like how she also describes his earphone at tickets.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Oh wait, what was that bit? I think I missed it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
How he like takes them and like swings them across.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Why is everything about this so funny?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's so funny. She writes it so well. With this interview,
I just felt like he comes across as someone who
because he's so so famous, he's so careful about what
he is saying. But he is clearly thinks he's like
safe in what he's not saying, and he's not at
all in this because he's talking about what he's not saying.
But he also feels like he's someone that he wants
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people to think that he's super deep and super emotional
and super intelligent, but he's also like, but I don't
cry all the time. Do people think I cry all
the time? I don't cry all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that part is quite funny, and it comes to
what is my favorite part. So in that part of
the article, he's talking about his preparation for the upcoming
Beatles movie, which I find that stuff really interesting. The
fact that they get picked up earlier in the morning,
driven like two hours to the rehearsal site, the whole
way they listen into Beatles' music. He's trying to learn
how to play left handed because like that's the correct
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way for the character he's playing. All this sort of stuff,
and he also says he's reading a book at the
moment about the Beatles, and he says he also reads,
he reads, guys.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
He reads. Yeah, I agree. I think that part's really interesting,
especially that we know that it's like essentially four films
about each character, and he's playing Paul McCartney, who is
arguably the most famous. Yeah, and that he like he
loves Paul McCartney so much. He's really the whole interview,
Oh my god, the ending of the interview just gave
me the biggest egg. I just remembered it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But so much coming guy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I think he's like so so in love with what
he does, which is so fine to be, like, you're
so fine to be in love with what you do.
But then when you're trying really really hard to convince
people that there's a reason why you love something, it
comes across so cringe.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, he doesn't want people to think he's cringe because
he's talking about the book.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
He is, you know he is.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
No, I'm just saying he's tak Can had the book
and he said the book's been making him cry. And
then he goes, it's so moving, It's so moving. Okare
to say twice I was crying so much? And then
she writes, he catches himself and grins, and then he says,
do people just think I'm crying all the time? He says,
tucking into a second drink that has seemed to materialize
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in front of him. I'm not. I hate crying. I
couldn't tell you the last time I cried before last Sunday,
for example. So what you cried on Sunday? This happened
on like Tuesday? What does he mean?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Can you just imagine her being like being her sitting
opposite him. She didn't even ask him a freaking question.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, I'm prompted.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
He just went on that rambay and then he.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Said he declines to go into what made him cry
last Sunday. So I got to say, this is a daily.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Like he's going in. He's like, it made me cry
so much? Do people think I cry? Oh my god,
I don't cry that much except for last Sunday. But
I don't cry that much. Is fine, But don't ask
me why I cry. That's weird you ask me why cry.
I'm a private person.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So I was like, he's about to cry right now.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I'm like, oh my god. Actually, like throughout this whole
into you, I actually genuinely can't tell how many questions
she asked him.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, it's interesting. Well, I guess you don't always put
your questions in that you don't write. Then I asked this.
Then I asked that, So she's only putting him in.
So I mean, don't maybe defend Paul Mescal, but I
think this part of the interview with a crying conversation
is happening. It's the second day of their hangout together.
This woman spent nearly two full days with Paul Mescal,
and one was them buying drinks and cigarettes. Then they
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went for a really long walk together. The next day,
they meet at a secret pub that he when he
was doing a theater run. He frequented it all the
time and he still goes there and he tells her
not to tell anyone about it. And it's in the
article I checked, because you know what the name wasn't it? No, No,
the one of the first pubs they went to. Okay, Okay,
maybe it isn't there is that when they call it's
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called like the.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Balls or something. Yeah, the Rocky.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Balls, Yeah, something like that. We won't give it away.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's not going to be that, I promise you. But
that's just I.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Think that's their first pub they when they meant to
go through the park. I don't think she names them
the second one because you just.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, that's not there for the pub because I need
public No.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I know about Paul mescal that's his one little refuge
in the world where he goes to have a drink.
And you just know that if that was made public,
that that's his spot he goes all the time. That
he would just be filled with screaming girls every day
looking for a photo with him, and then he'll cry
and then and it's eaving because they're sitting in the
secret pub and he's like, and then they have musicians
setting up and they have drinks and he goes, hey,
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the lads are all here, Hey lads. Someone's like, do
these people know Paul? Is he a local? Is he
just some random I can just imagine this old man
going huh. They're like, why is that young man who's
always in here crying? Now he's brought like a nice
young woman in reading the book crying and he doesn't
say anything about his love life. He says, he gets
very embarrassed for a while.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I feel like he was cheering up when he was
saying this.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
He was crying saying this, and Alex is like, I
can't put this in the article because it's it's just
I'll crucify this man if I do. She's had to
protect him because he gets asked about his relationship, and
apparently he paused for a long time. He didn't know
what to say, and then he's like, excludas, I don't
know what to say about that, but I'm not gonna
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I don't know what to say about that, but actually
I do, but I don't want to talk about it.
Because it's very important to me, and he.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Said very precious to me. So we know that he
and Gracie Abrams have been dating for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now they've gone So this is the only reason why
people wanted to read this interview to.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Find out about Gracie. Yes, yeah, I mean I see,
like people always very fascinated with him.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
They talk so much about each other without talking about
each other, Like remember when she did that massive cosmo Yeah,
and that whole thing was about like her sex life
and sex positivity and like relationships and not one that
she mentioned.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I know. I think they know that there's so much
interest in their relationship. Once they say anything, it'll just
blow up. And they're both very of the like we're artists.
We're not here for the fame or here for the money.
We're just here to make art.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Even think she asked him about Daisy ed goad Jones.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, but I don't think he and Daisy egg Jones
ever hooked up.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't think they might have, but I think they will. Really,
they genuinely believe they're meant to be together.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I just love the idea that they're just best friends
going to be together. They would just be together. It's
been so many years, it's the fact, and they're together
all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
He mentions her in every single interview, loves her. He
loves a friends so much. No, it's more than he
loves us so much. When Joseph Quinn was like, what
celebrity looks like me, he literally, without skipping a big
goes get sometimes and he was like, no, no.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Do you think that he just thinks everyone looks a
bit like Daisy good Jones because he's always looking for
her in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I do think that.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Can I tell you my most surprising moment from this
whole thing, this whole three thousand something would piece of
really just performative art from Paul Mesco walking the streets
of London pretending to smoke cigarettes in his little shorts,
is that they get into the fact that he kind
of grew up as a golden boy, which I feel
like he keeps under wraps that he was a jocket school.
And then he was like, yeah, that's what I'm getting to.
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So he was like jock at school. He was like
the sporty guy. Everyone loved him. Everyone at school loved him.
His family adored him, like his brother and sister obsessed
with him, and they really paint him as like kind
of different. He's painted himself. I think in the past
is like a little bit of like the artsy underground guy.
And I was like, oh, so you were like the
school hero prom care.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm pretty sure I was very close to his role
in normal people. Yeah, like in high school because he
played football and he was really good, apparently according to
this interview.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, he says he was really said it was really good.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He also broke his nose, which is why he was
he was able to play the gladiator so well because
he just looked so roman That's what she says.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
She says, like it was before a game and they
were practicing with the football and someone throw a football
and I think the correct phrasing from the interview is
he boofed it, which I think means he hit it
with his head.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think he also said he missed his previous notes.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, he mourned his previous nose because apparently he had
a perfect face.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I love to see if I do think that nose
would have made him like him. Breaking his nose has
made him so much better.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What do you think because he looks a bit more
like like floor.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, you want a man with a little floor.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, I don't want a perfect note. I love to
see the old nose just to compare and contrast. But yes,
apparently he broke his nose. It healed badly, and he
said he mourns his old nose. But then he said
he had this like reckoning in high school. I love
how everyone has like a past darkness that they draw on,
and Paul Mescal's past darkness and hard time that he
draws on is that he was torn between being the
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star of the football team and the star of the
school play. He said. The direct quote from him is
it got a bit Troy Bolton esque for a while.
And I said, I literally ghased as I was reading
the article, because I'm like, sir, are you quoting high
school musical?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, you know why he quoted it. Me and Paul
Mescal are the exact same age. Yeah, we were the
high school musical generation. Like we were like it was
a perfect age for us, Like we were obsessed with
high school musicalal it was the movie of our generation.
So I know as a kid, he watched that and
I was like, I'm going to do that. Well, yeah,
I don't think it was a push and pull. I
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think it was very much football going, you're not good
at this, go into theater.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Because he paints it as I never thought i'd see
the day where poor Mescal comes out as a closeted
high school musical fan, but the day has come, because
he does say that he was really torn between football
and theater, and people made him feel like he had
to choose, and he didn't want to choose.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
He wanted to be Troe Bolton and do both. Yeah,
but I don't believe that. I honestly believe that they
were like, just do theater, like it's what you're good at.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, that he was now and he was like, oh
what do I do?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
They both want me on both sides, and they're like,
we are telling you do theater. You're not good at football.
He broke your nose in practice, not even in an
actual game. Like, just go do theater. You'll be fine.
He's like, what the way I do? It's so hard,
it's so hard being me tro Bolton.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh my god, you were so off him. It's crazy.
You know what else? Okay, So okay, it's the way
we ad the beme part. Yeah, yeah, okay, great, this
was up everyone.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Actually the interview that made me pissed off and but
pushed me over the line.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I started having a bad taste for mescal because he
did a previous interview where he was asked, what is
your pet peeve? Do you remember this? No, guess what
he said?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Rude people?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He said laziness. Oh, he said people who are lazy.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
How is his pet peeve?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I'm like, how does me being lazy have anything to.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Do with you? Well, if he's ez these people just
sitting and he's like, get up, get up from that.
SA Like if he said to you hate Emily, do
you want to come and get some pink G and
t's and watch High School Musical and you said no,
I'm too lazy. He hate that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I know. I just be like I'm just like, yeah,
I'm just at home, just chilling. He'd be like, you lazy,
and that is my pet peeve. I hate and her laziness.
But like that as a pet peeve when it's like
has nothing to do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Usually pet peeve.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Has some massive impact on your life.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, he just hates laziness. I'm going to be honest,
I'm not as upset as you about And.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
For me, no, it was the one thing where I
was like, I immediately went and that is the day
I realized Paul Mescal is just hot.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
But is a question mem When we saw him, Emily
and I was just going to get that means okay,
well here we are, you can say it. So Emily
and I were up very close and personal with Paul
Mescal when he came to Australia for the Gladia premiere
and it's hot in there. I'll be the first to
say it. My hair also looks bad in those premieres.
I was sweating too. I was also annoyed there were
too many people. It was intense.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He looked like every.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Celebrity in those situations except bar a few. They all
look tired and tiny and sweaty and paler than you
think and just little broken human beings. And that's what
Paul Mescal looked like. We didn't even like him any less.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
He didn't have like the celebrity glow. He wasn't rugged like,
he didn't look like Zendeia, he didn't look like Tom Cruise.
He didn't have that like celebrity.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
He doesn't have the aura of a celebrity, Like if
you were to he would love you saying that, though
I actually don't think he wants the aura of a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I don't want to care if I make him happy.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, So I keep fearing you guys are broken arm.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
If you like walk past him on the street, you
wouldn't do a double take.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, Like he could run the marathon without a fake name. Yes,
him around.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Side by side harryst and everyone will be like, look
at Harry's.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I was like, who's that guy really existed?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He's going into a nondescript pub, no.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
One's saying the name. He'll cry, He's drinking about and
the right.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think he's struggling with his celebritiness right now, like
it he feels like he doesn't know what he wants,
Like he feels like he's holding on so tightly to
his everyday life because he does, like talk a lot
about his family and how much he loves being around
his siblings and his family. And I feel like he
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is now in a position where he knows that he
has to be extra cautious and keeping those things private,
and he's just kind of in this crossroads of like
how much do I want to show to the world
versus how much can I keep private without becoming a meme.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Now that he's got to make a star girlfriend, now
that he's in Blockbusters, it is a different world to
that first hit of popularity he had from normal people,
because that could have faded away very quickly.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, because that happened also in COVID, and then he
was getting a ton of followers, and then he obviously
freaks immediately put his Instagram on private.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So fair like, there are only two people I know.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Who follow him on Instagram because they followed him straight
after normal people got related.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh did you with you that quick?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I wasn't. They also haven't watched normal people.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Oh that's right. I always forget that you he was
your celebrity crush for so long and you never watched him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Was Gladiator and he was great in that.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Chris, not on the red carpet.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Just on the red carpet. But I think it was
mainly not this interview with a laziness comment that pushed
me over the edge.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Why do you think that is? Because can I say
your reaction is very fair, It's an extreme reaction. I
don't think most people would have that reaction. Why do
you think you feel so triggered by that? I think
it was I wish we could have this therapy.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I think it was the idea that, like when you
have a big celebrity crush, Yeah, the best thing about
having a crush is that you don't know that much
about them.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, so you you had this belief that you could
be together if you can that personality and then you
can like do something. Daydreams and frequents our neighborhood. He's
been in bars and pubs in our like shared neighborhood,
So it's not out of the realm of possibility that one.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Day you could have into him because he lives next door.
But okay, just imagine you're on a dating app. You're swiping.
You see a beautiful Paul mescal.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Look, I see a little broken nose.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Do you see the broken nose? He looks gorgeous. There's
one he's got the lyrics to high school musical of
him and like fantomlyther, you go bro. The next one,
he's playing football.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
He doesn't all he's soon and then you have the prompts.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The first prompt you see my pet peeve lazy people
what are you gonna do? You're gonna swipe left if
someone asks you a question that broad and you go
into laziness.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I was so personal. It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
It's slipe left the no one yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And I just think it was just one of those
things where I'm like, I feel like it says more
about him than just I don't like lazy people.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Okay. Oh, I mean, I don't mean to that rumors.
Do you think it's like a bit of fat phobia
in there? That's not a broad swing. That's what people
say is code a lot of the time. I think
it's I don't want to put it on.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's very like alpha male is, where it's like, what
are you doing if you're not doing the most at
all times?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Why do you think that's an odd He has been brought.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Up in like a privilege like society, like he hasn't
like we obviously don't know much about his home life,
but there's like no evidence of him talking about like
struggling as a kid or anything like that. Like he's
been brought up in a big family, in a big home,
And I think it's just one of those things where
if that's your answer to a question that's so so broad,
and you're not afraid of that being your answer, then
that says a lot about you.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah. Wow, the fall of poor Mescal before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I don't know why I'm so passionate did this?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, well, I mean you're going through a breakup. He's
not the man and he thought he was.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And the ending just gave me the biggest He started
singing where he's like man's plaining, like he's been playing
guitar for two seconds left handed, and then he started
like man'splaining the techniques of like they were watching a
band in the pub and he was like explaining like
how they're making music. He was literally like, see how
(29:03):
she's like singing and he's trying to get the cord
and he's trying to watch her hand to be able
to do that, and then he just starts singing and
that's how it ends.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So she was probably so traumatized just off from walked away.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The world doesn't need to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
This, Oh, like, did the cover do anything to inspire
your aus? Because he's they've literally put dirt on that
man and they've blasted his face with face tuned to
all hell. I think they refixed his notes.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
All the photos are very this one photo where he's
lying on a butsh yeah, onto something like dead brand.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
He was trying to be very active. This one where
he's like leaping in the air. But the cover photo
they picked is him like on the floor, kind of
like straddling the ground, and then someone's put mud all over. Yeah,
it was very solid to show that he's a man.
I think.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, they like, don't forget, don't forget this man cries.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Look at this dirty man. Well, I'm sorry for your breakup.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I thought the interview, like, this interview is brilliant. I
want to read all of her work.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, it was so good. The way she painted a
picture of him. It's a little bit damning for poor Mescal.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Who would You're right, Like, I have friends who read
this interview because this was a big topic in our
girl group chat. Really and I like where half and half,
like half of them are like this made him like
look so good, Like it's so amazing to see men talking,
and then it is like it is too like men,
especially Hollywood men. I feel like it's only this new
generation that they're talking about like their vulnerable side and
to therapy, and a man saying that I go to
(30:28):
therapy is like so incredibly important, especially for other men who.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Cannot think of like coming up through my teen years
or even like all the big movie star alpha male
action heroes that I grew up watching in movies and
then the next crop that came before them, anyone talking
the way he does.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And I think that's so so important for like the
broadest society. And but it's I think it's just like
the people who were obsessed with him like I was,
who read every interview about him, who thought they knew
everything about him, like reading something like, oh, this just
seems like like my worst life every day ever.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Well, well, Lincoln in the show notes the interview that
made Emily Vernon fall out of love with Paul mescal
Toy Bolton. He'd like to be.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Called I would DATEO Bolton though, yeah, anyone would. Thank
you so much for listening to this episode of the Spill.
Do not forget that you can watch all of our
episodes on YouTube. We'll put a link to our YouTube
channel in the show notes. And also don't forget to
listen to Morning Tea, which is a new show in
our feed. It's by Ash London and she reads off
(31:31):
all of the entertainment and popcast headlands you need to
know for that day. That will drop at eight am tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bye bye bye
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