October 21, 2025 • 32 mins
Callum Turner is about to be Hollywood’s newest rom-com leading man, and there’s a very surprising story about how he met his super-famous fiancée.
And Britney Spears’ ex-husband Kevin Federline has released a tell-all book about her, sharing some truly disturbing stories about the pop star with input from her sons and her famous sister.
Now that Britney has posted a passionate response to the stories about her, we need to unpack what is true, why Kevin had to release the book now, and what happens to Britney next.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brednick and.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm Cassenie Lukitch.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, Kevin Fenline is
just about trelease his highly anticipated new book, which is
about his life, but mostly it is a huge tell
all about his marriage to Britney Spears. So we're going
to go through the biggest bombsholls that have come out
so far, also Britney's response because she has shared some
very heated responses to what he said, and a lot
(00:52):
of their other family members have also become entangled in
the story, including Jamie Lynn Spears, her little sister. There's
some really intense stuff about her and the book, so
we're going to unpack all that. But first, something a
little bit lighter.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Forget a rom com dua Leaper's Fionce Callum Turner has
revealed the perfect me cute and it actually happened to him.
So in an interview with The Sunday Times, he revealed
how he and Dua Leaper met are you ready for this?
Strapping guys, because this is romantic as hell. So they
met at a mutual friend's birthday party in la and
(01:26):
they got to talking and then they realized that they
were reading the same book. So they were reading Trust
by Hernan Diaz, and Callum said, oh, I just finished
the first chapter, and do a Leaper responds with, oh
my god, I just finished the first chapter two and
he comes back with the suavest line, Oh, so we're
on the same page, mic Drop.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He did think it was very romantic because in this
Sunday Times article he said that it's like if you're
in a movie, it would be the moment where you
like look up to the heavens and say, oh my god,
I'm going to marry this woman, which is very cute
because they are now engaged. I know.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But the Internet went a little bit crazy about this.
Everyone was like, this is fan fiction, this is crazy.
It's more romantic than some of the meat cutes in
some of the best rom coms. I think.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, some people got a bit intense with it because
there was this idea they were going to a mutual
friend's event, so he knew she was going to be there.
And she also has like a recommendation's website and podcast
service ninety five because she was born in nineteen ninety
five and she believes she was put on this earth
to be of service. I feel like she'd probably got
too much going on, but she does love to do
book recommendations. So people were like, did he possibly find
(02:30):
out the book she was reading because she always posts
what she's reading, And did he try and like read
the same book so he'd have it in with her?
Which I would find very romantic, but I think it's
probably not that intense.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I don't think, so let's just leave it at the
really nice romantic one. So the book that they were reading.
I do want to like tell people about this book
that they were reading because maybe we can try and
recreate it for our listeners. So the book is called
Trust by Hernan Diaz and he's a Pulitzer Prize winning
author and the novel is about a financier in New
York during the stock market crash of the nineteen twenties,
(03:03):
but him and his wife. So this is kind of
I don't know how romantic that is, but if you
want to recreate it, you can go read that book. Look.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Dou has also said in previous interviews that the two
of them have had a number of like sliding doors moments,
so it's not just this particular moment that is, you know,
very rom com esque of them.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yes, And I think the reason he's sharing this story
now is that, like he's outdoing press for his new
movie Eternity, which is a rom com that is coming
out very soon, and he has been an actor for
a while. I'm sure people will be like, you know,
he's not just Duallifer's fiance, but for a while that
is all I and other people saw him as. But
he is coming out in this movie. They think it's
going to be like a real star making turn for him.
(03:43):
So it's called Eternity, and it's co stars Elizabeth Olson
and Miles Teller and then Callum Turner and it's Elizabeth
Olson passes away and then she goes into like purgatory,
and then she gets to purgatory and her husband that
she was married to for decades is there, and so
the idea is that they can now choose to go
together into Eternity, which is all great and romantic, But
(04:05):
then her first husband shows up who she was just
married to, very very briefly before he was killed, and
he has been waiting decades in purgatory for her to
arrive so they can spend Attorney together. But she can
only go with one of them. So does she go
with her first love who she never got to have
a life with, or does she go with the man
she was married to for years? And the two men
(04:27):
are played by Callum Turner and Miles Teller.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You've passed away, Larry, Hello, I'm anna. I'm your afterlife coordinator.
And this is the junction where you choose one place
to spend eternity and who to spend it with?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
John jo and that.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Sharking news you did? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Had you know?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It took him forever to figure that out. Excuse me.
I've been waiting for the school and goes for sixty seven,
god damn years. I never dreamed this, clearly exactly how
I dreamt you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh, no, first housman, not in a war, John Uri, Honey.
The height for this movie is so so big. I've
got to say, out of all the movies, it's like
this and Wicked are the two movies and I'm excited
to see.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, so This premise bothers me a little bit because purgatory,
if we're talking about like the history of Hell and
like purgatory, Purgatory is designed and was originally sort of
placed as a place for non believers to be put
So if you don't believe in God, that you go
to purgatory. So the idea that someone's waiting there, I'm
(05:34):
confused why they're in purgatory.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, I don't know if it's that the traditional kind
of like the way that Christianity has described purgatory. I
don't think it's that. It's more so that in this version,
it's kind of like the good place, how you go
in and have like your meeting and then you get
a signed to where you're going. So it's like you
come there and then they tell you you've died, and they
give you a choice of where to go. And he's
been hanging out with her, and essentially the waiting room
were like the waiting room where you didn't decide where
(05:57):
you're going to go for eternity. Yes, so then it's
she has she goes on like dates with different each
one of them during their time and limbo to see
who she wants to spend the rest of her life with.
And the chemistry between Callum Turner, Elizabeth Olson, and Miles
Teller from this trailer is so good. Also, there's actual stakes,
like she can only pick one of them, send eternity
with Why.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Have they been waiting there for so long? I don't understand.
I'm confused. Is this movie is not doing it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Really, I think it's a pretty simple premise. I don't
know it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
This is something that bothers me about them just waiting
for her to be there and then Oh, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Sure you'll pick it up when you see the movie,
but it's it's more of a rom com than you know,
than anything else. But anyway, he's like Hollywood's nuw rom
com leading man. And I think he's really leaning into
this on the press tour, especially knowing that people love
him and do it together. So I'm sure he's got
all these cute stories that he's been like waiting to
wheel out on his press tour. And I think it's working.
(06:49):
People are obsessed with him.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's definitely working. People love him and they seem very
very cute together. And I'm very offended that you don't
like my purgatory.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
We'll see when we see the movie. So Kevin Fedline,
former singer and backup dancer and reality TV stuff, but
now most well known for being Britney spear ex husband
and the father of her children, is this week releasing
a tell Or book. So the book is called You
Thought You Knew, And when he was talking about it,
he was saying that it sort of charts his life
(07:21):
from his teenage years and like his early life to
him sort of breaking into the entertainment industry and things
he experienced. But a lot of the book is dedicated
to his relationship with Britney Spears, particularly the fallout after
her mental health breakdown when she was placed under a conservatorship,
and his marriage to his wife now Victoria Prince, and
(07:43):
his raising his children and being a father. And so
he did a lot of press leading up to the
book coming out, and there has been like a lot
of chart around like why he's doing it and the
bombshells that are coming out, But he keeps saying it's
about him telling his side of the story because for
so long he was known only as Britney Spears husband.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think it's unfair to assume that this is the
first time, he's being able to tell his story, unlike Britney,
who has been, you know, muzzled for so many years.
That to me feels like not a very valid reason.
I want to kind of go a little bit back
on their relationship history because I just want to let
refresh people's minds on who Kevin is, because I've got
(08:22):
some thoughts about him. So, Kevin and Brittany met in
two thousand and four, and then they got married three
months later. Now a lot of people may not remember,
but Kevin was actually in a relationship with shar Jackson,
who he has two kids with. Shah was pregnant with
their second child when Kevin met Brittany, and he left
(08:43):
Shah for Brittany. They were together for three months, then
they got married. Then Brittany has Sean Preston in two
thousand and five and Jayden James in September two thousand
and six. Brittany files for divorced in two thousand and
six as well, and then we get the kind of
famous two thousand and seven breakdown, mental health deterioration of
(09:04):
Britney Spears, and then she's placed under the conservatorship. So
my feelings on this are the You know, Kevin has
had a number of chances to speak out on his
relationship with Brittany, but he's doing it now, and there
are some definitely very big allegations that he's made about her.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yes, And it's kind of interesting looking back on that now,
because I do have this memory of when Kevin and
Brittany first got together, and again, she was already such
a tabloid sensation, but a lot obviously from her music,
but from her relationship with Justin Timberlake, and when she
first walked on a red carpet with Kevin Fedline and
they were like hugging and kissing, and there's all those
ones of like where she's holding the tiny dog and
(09:47):
they're doing the red carpet walks, and people were like,
who is this man? And surely it's not serious, Like
she's just pulled this man out of like a lineup
of dancers to kind of make Justin jealous. And then
when they got married so quickly, that also made a
huge amount of headlines. And one of the allegations that
have come out in the book that Kevin Fedline says
is that like on the day of their wedding, she
called Justin Timberlake for hours, and he's like, now, I
(10:10):
should have seen that as a red flag that she
wasn't over him, But at the time I thought they
just had unfinished business. So like he's kind of already
dropping those like bombshells about their life, even from their
wedding day.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So he was a backup dancer and like I Love You,
which is the justin Timberlake music video, so they knew
they would have known each other.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, they're all in the same circles.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's interesting that he flags that as a moment in
their relationship. It's almost putting all the owners back on her.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, I mean, and also I should say that we
haven't in the book is not Australia in the time
of recording, but there's a lot of experts out there,
and he's been doing a really huge press run, so
all the information we have is coming from that. But
what I've sort of pieced together from the excerts that
he's put out, the stories that he's been telling is
that he's really framing himself as like this kind of
like good guy that just got really wrapped up in
(10:56):
this situation with a woman he said he was in
love with and wanted to start a family with and
then he just got swept away in like the fame
and her mental health and the people around her, and
that's why he ended up taking all of his children
to Hawaii. So he has this children with Shah Jackson,
who I believe they still live with her, but he
like has custody of them. He also then had full
time custody of his two sons with Britney Spears, and
(11:17):
then he and his new wife, Victoria Prince, also had children.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So six kids, three women.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, exactly, and so he's kind of always been like,
I'm the dad. But the part of that that he
hasn't mentioned as much is that Britney Spears was bank
crawling that entire family. So she was paying obviously child
support for the two sons and also paying Kevin like alimony,
and that was supporting him and his new wife Victoria.
But obviously the kids are over eighteen now, so the
(11:42):
payments have stopped. And that's been the allegation that he's
putting this book out now because the checks have stopped coming,
which he's denied. He's like, the only reason I'm saying
this now is that I want my story out there.
And I'm really worried for Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, I heard reports of twenty thousand dollars a month.
Is that what you've seen as well?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And that was always the amount that was sort of
put out there from the court docks that were made available.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
He has said in other interviews that he's like, I
don't really need it. I made, you know, millions in
this super Bowl commercial that I did. I'm not doing
this for them for me. I don't really believe that.
That doesn't seem authentic to meet personally. One of the
other allegations he makes, which I found quite shocking, he
alleged that Brittany was taking drugs while she was breastfeeding.
(12:24):
So he said that he walked into the dressing room
at this album release party in two thousand and six,
and I'm going to quote here found quote Brittany and
a young starlet friend snorting a fat line of coke
off the table. They didn't even try to hide it.
Then he goes on to say, please don't go home
and breastfeed the kids like this. Call your mum or someone.
We need to get the formula. You can't do this.
(12:47):
That was the proverbial final straw, the breastfeeding thing, her reaction,
that's what ended us and for me, the way that
this is framed is you know, putting him as the
nice guy and the good guy. He's the hero in
this and that is how I he's framing himself.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh yeah, a lot of stories, and like all the
big ones, like the excerpt that read in the New
York Times and the other chapters that been put out.
At all stories that he's telling, but he's always recounting
them through the eyes of his sons when they were
very young and saying like, either this happened to them
as babies, or this is something that they say that
their mum did. Because he also said that he and
Britney haven't spoken in like over a decade, and that
(13:26):
they only communicated through their legal teams before that, and
that she doesn't have a lot of contact with the kids.
So these are all stories that he's saying that the
kids told him that he's written to this book. There's
one chapter where he says that they didn't want to
go back to Britney Spears house for their scheduled visit,
and they started telling their dad that they were too
scared to be around her, and he said my son
(13:48):
said they would awaken sometimes at night to find Britney
standing silently in the doorway watching them sleep. Oh you're awake,
she'd say, with a knife in her hand, and then
she'd turn around and pad off without explanation. He also
says that the kids would say to him, Dad, I
don't want to have a bath with mum. She makes
me bath with me. I'm uncomfortable. When they were ten
years old. He'd also say that she was being very emotional,
(14:09):
that she was potentially taking substances, and also say that
things like the house were a mess, and basically he's
like recounting everything. He says his sons have said to
him to kind of put off having their scheduled visitation
with her.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I don't doubt that Brittany was having some really severe
mental health struggles during this time. I don't doubt that.
I think what I have an issue with is the
profiting of her problems and what was a very very
challenging time. And you know, we look back at that
time and there's been a lot of reflection on the
way that media reported this particular breakdown of Brittany, and
(14:45):
that media went too far. They made it worse, you know,
the shaving over her head. Brittany's crazy. It was all
of this discourse around her being insane and crazy, and
that was all anyone was talking about. I don't doubt
she had problems. She's clearly got some mental health issues.
There are problems in her life. The way that he's
talking about this though, he's now utilizing the stories of
(15:05):
his children to potentially like damage a relationship further between
them and their mother.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, and I wonder one of the reasons that he's
leaning into this a bit is that there was a
really good period of time where he was seen as
like a bit of a hero and a father by people.
Now people are sort of looking at him with questioning eyes.
I think it was Nicki Minaj who tweeted the other day,
like she subtweeted Brittany and she's like Kevin Federline when
I find you kind of thing, Like now everyone's like,
(15:32):
he's just profiting off his wife. But there was a
time then where you'd see photos of Brittany walking through
the streets looking very distressed, like falling down on stage,
not being able to like talk in interviews. And then
you'd see these photos of Kevin Fedlin like walking quietly
through the streets holding the children, him saying he didn't
want to do interviews. This idea that like he took
his children away and they lived this quiet little life
(15:54):
together for a long time. That was really the story.
And I think there was a lot of love from
fans on his side. So I wonder if he thought
if he came out with this book now, even though
after the whole Free Brittany movement, it does seem like
the wrong move if he kind of thought like, this
is my moment. And he's been asking to a few
different interviews, one about like the alimony payments, and he's saying, yes,
I don't need the money. But the other reason he's
(16:15):
saying that he chose to put the book out now
with his son's blessing is that he said that he
thinks the situation with Britney Spears has escalated to such
a bad point that he had to ring the alarm
because he's like, I just don't want my children to
have to go through the unimaginal. So it's kind of
alluding to the fact that if someone doesn't step in
with Britney Spears, then something terrible could happen to her.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
M I think it's that actually his intention, then he
wouldn't be blasting it all over the world. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I feel like if you were truly worried about someone's
mental health and wellbeing, and you know that that person
had in the past had in their own words, had
a very negative, bad mental health reaction to stories about
them being the press people invading their personal life, then
writing a book about them wouldn't be the way to
get them help. So I don't think it's that at all.
I probably have more respect for him if he'said have
(17:04):
just wanted the money, because at least that's like, that's
just a transaction.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You also said they haven't spoken, So what are you
sounding the alarm for. I've spoken to her in years?
How do you know what she's doing? All you're saying
is the social media, the same way that all of
us are saying.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I think he kind of picked his moment, and his
publishers picked his moment because there was a time right
after the conservatorship had ended for Britney Spears and she
married sam A's Gary, and there was this idea that, oh,
now she gets to be the old Brittany, and now
she's had this fairytale wedding and she's free, and everyone
expected her to go back to being the pop star
that she once was, and I think he probably knew
(17:39):
that was the wrong time because everyone was team Britney.
But over time, now like she's posting videos where she
seems quite erratic. There's been all these reports that like
she's being investigated because she's living in filth and disarray.
Her marriage to Sam Mascary broke up and now he's
gone off to be like an actor. It's interesting because
when Kevin Fedline was asked in his interviews about Sam,
(18:01):
he was like, I don't know what kind of a
man would ever marry a woman in that state, like
he took advantage of her, And then Sam Mascaro replied
to him through another interview He's like, well, he's a
professional dad that's really knows how to do. So once
that money train drives up, like you should probably ask
him what he's going to do, basically saying that he's
doing it for the money. So even these two men
are kind of like they're having their infighting, which is
(18:22):
causing more headlines against Britney spears.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I do want to be very careful about analyzing someone's
mental health because I think it's more complicated than any
of us are going to be able to understand. All
we see is what she puts on social media, and
I think from the outside, yes, it looks concerning. I mean,
I would say that I feel concerned from some of
the things that I see, But it's really hard to
know what's actually going on with her mental health without
(18:49):
actually being with her.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, and I just don't even know if there's anyone
that's all we're getting from this. It's like her ex
husband and with the blessing of her sons, as far
as we can see, have put out this tell or
memoir that is like literally dragging her name from Lamard
and is profiting off her. Her ex husband only ever
says lovely things about her, but at the same time
still lived off her for many many years. And even
(19:11):
though he says he's not getting his reality TV roles
off her name, I kind of do think he mostly is,
Like I don't know if he'd be pulled onto all
these shows and things if people weren't like, oh, but
he was married to Britney Spears, and we want to
hear his story. All her celebrity friends that were like
there for her wedding. I'm sure like Paris Hilton or
Drew Barry Morrislena Gometz would never met her before her wedding.
I'm sure they all care about her, but I don't
(19:31):
think that they're seeing her all the time. So it's
like she's a strange from her mum. She's a strange
from my father. She's strange from her brother and everyone else.
She's cut off all her former manager than team because
they were all making money off her. It's like, I
just don't think this woman has anyone around her. And
it's kind of interesting when you think about, like how
the Free Britney movement led to that, because there's been
(19:51):
some chapters come out from Kevin's book where he talks
about it and he kind of slams it as a
really dangerous thing. So in the book, this chapter that's
been released, he talks about the first time that Britney
was placed in an involuntary hold in a psychiatric unit,
and he's like, it was one of the hardest nights
of my life. I felt sick over what she was
going through. This was someone I had loved, someone I
had built a life with the mother of my children,
(20:14):
and when the Conservatives ship was placed on her, and
then the Free Britney movement started, which was the whole
thing that started that conversation about the Conservative ship ending.
He said, I think the Free Britney movement started from
a really good place. But all those people who put
so much effort into that, they should now put the
same energy into the Save Britney movement because this is
no longer about freedom, it's about survival.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
She was in that conservativeship for thirteen years. Ye, it's
an incredibly long time. The way that I see it
is him trying to be the good guy again. But
for me, that is he's not involved with her day
to day life. You were trying to portray yourself as
this wonderful man by saying, you know, you've got to
make sure that you're on Britney side and save her,
(20:59):
and you know I didn't want to see her in
a Conservative ship. Well, quite frankly, you're not supporting her
in a way that someone who actually cared about her would,
So I feel like I'm being quite critical, but I
find it really really poor timing. First of all, both
the kids have just turned eighteen. Yeah, exactly, we can't
ignore that. And secondly, he's, you know, just trying to
(21:20):
make money off her, like everybody around her has for
their you know, her entire life. She has responded to this.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So she has put out two different responsors, at least
to the like, she always talks a lot about her
children and the way people around her are treating her.
But when the news broke about Kevin's book and the
first lot of extracts went out into the world and
that story about her holding the knife came out, she
responded through a rep who sent this statement to some
of the news outlets who are running the story, and
(21:47):
it said, with news from Kevin's book breaking, once again,
he and the others are profiting off her, and sadly
it comes after child support has ended with Kevin. So
she's flat out saying through her through her representative, that
she knows exactly why he's doing this. So she went
on to say in that same statement, all she cares
about her kids Sean, Preston and Jane and James, and
(22:08):
they're well being during this and sacialism. She has detailed
her story in her own memoir, The Woman in Me.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, she actually mentions in her Instagram post too, that
she believes that Kevin's memoir is going to be selling
more copies than hers ever did. Yeah, I mean it
was an interesting comparison. Actually, I'm not sure if I
buy that either.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh no, I don't think it all sell the same
amount of copies. Like that was explosive when that Brittany
book first came out. I'm sure a lot of people
would buy this, but it's more so like even just
the stories that are filtering out through the headlines and
doing a lot of damage against her. Because then she
put another statement on Twitter, and this came after the
stories of from her sons that Kevin was saying. My
sons say they don't want to see her. They say
(22:48):
that they felt unsafe. They say that their mother did
all these things. And in response to that, Brittany posted
this from her own account, so you have to assume
it's her writing it, and she said, the constant gas
lighting from my ex husband is extremely hurtful and exhausting.
I have always pleaded and screamed to have a life
with my boys. Relationships with teenage boys are complex. I
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have felt demoralized by this situation and have always asked
and also begged them to be part of my life. Sadly,
they have always witnessed the lack of respect show and
by their father for me. They need to take responsibility
for themselves, with one son only seeing me for forty
five minutes in the past five years and the other
only four visits in the past five years. And this
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is interesting because I've never seen her say anything like
this publicly about her sons before she went on to say,
I have pride too. From now on, I will let
them know when I am available. Trust me, those white
lies in that book, they are going straight to the bank,
and I am the only one who gets genuinely hurt here.
I will always love them, and if you really know me,
you won't pay attention to the tabloids about my mental
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health and drinking. I am actually a pretty intelligent woman
who's been trying to live a sacred and private life
for the past five years. I speak on this because
I've had enough, and any real woman would do the same.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Do you know what The key thing for me from
that whole statement was white lies. Lies is a very
odd choice of words, just say lies, white lies that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It makes it seem like it's not a huge.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Lie that to me insinuates a really small lies, something
minor and inconsequential. But that's not what these lies are saying.
These are really big allegations.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's almost like she's trying to say, like, some of
the stories in the book couldn't have happened because she
hasn't spent any time with her sons over the past
five years when they would have been in those teenage years.
And it's the first kind of stance she's like take
it against her sons by speaking to them via the
media and via the public and saying like I'm not
going to stand for this anymore, and basically saying like, oh,
let you know, when I want to see you, I
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don't want to see you anymore because you've taken your
father's side. Essentially.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That's hard. That's really tractricky, because these kids have had
a pretty rough upbringing, growing up in that environment. Having
all of these things said about their mother not having
a relationship with her, you know, I can't imagine that
would be very easy. And in terms of like attachment
theory and being attached to their mother, that would have
been severely severely affected. Yeah, her being in a conservative ship.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, I think the thing to remember with this is
like we feel like we know so much about this
situation because it's been documented so heavily in the press
cycles for over twenty years. And we've had Brittney Spears's
Full tell Or book, which went so in depth in
her life with Kevin and the kids. And now we've
got Kevin Federline's book, which goes so in depth on
what his kids are saying. But I think Royal still
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only getting like little tiny glimpses of the actual story.
It kind of feels like so much worse happened that
they're not detailing, or it's so much more complicated between
their children and them, but neither of them they've both
terry picked the stories where because I'm sure Brittany did
it too, Like she's terry picked stories, like if you
read her memoir, and I'm sure a lot of it's
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true and like it's your point of view, but in
her memoir, like she's desperately trying to look after her
kids and she's a good mother. And then Kevin's story
is that he was desperately trying to protect his kids
from this crazy woman. And I'm sure both of them
believe that that is the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, yeah, there's human nature is to protect yourself and
portray yourself in the most positive light. And memory is
a funny thing. You know, one person's memory of a
situation will be completely different to another, and it's not
an accurate representation of what actually happened. So I'm sure
that they both believe that's the truth. But yeah, when
we're not really going to know. But for me, at
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the end of the day, she's clearly very upset about this.
He is making money off it. I would love to
hear from the boys directly, but.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't even know if they would because you're so influenced,
especially that age, by what they've heard from their father
over the years, what they've heard from their mother, or
they've heard from They were very close to their grandfather,
Jamie Spears, who Britney alleges was like the mastermind and
did the worst things to her and was the one
keeping her in conservativeship. But they were really close and
there was a falling out with them. So there's so
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many layers of family complication here. And the thing with
the Britney Spears story, which always makes every part of
it so hard to believe anything or to trust anyone
in this narrative. It's like everyone in this narrative is
an unreliable narrator because you've got to trace the money,
and they're all profiting off her in some way. Every
single person involved in that Conservative ship on both sides,
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was profiting off her. She was paying the legal fees
on both sides. Everyone who works in that house is
somehow like tied to her for their income, Like her
ex husband, like Sam, like he was tied to her
for income. Kevin Fedline and all his ex wives and
children are all tied to her, all her like other family,
like her mum was getting like a salary from her estates,
so was her dad, so was her sister. Oh that's
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the other thing. There's text from Jamie Lynn Spears in
the book, who has always said that she was not
involved in the Conservative ship. She's like, I was a child,
I tried to help my sister. I've always tried to
help her. But then there are these texts in the
book that Kevin Fedline says Jamie Lynn Spears sent to
his wife Victoria Prince, and in them, she's basically like
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siding with Kevin, So he's obviously been sitting on these
for a long time and he's decided to drop them
in the book to kind of like say, like even
her family. Again, this is.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So low for me.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So the text that he has says, and I haven't
seen Jamillen Spears comment on this yet, but it is
like in the printed version of the book, so he
must have felt like he could. They must have verified
that these text messages came from her, and so this
text message from Jamiellen Spears to Kevin, and Victoria says, honestly,
this makes me want to cry because I feel for
those boys so much. I'm her little sister by ten years,
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and I can't imagine what her actual children must feel like.
But I am familiar with the feeling of being a
dinghy trying to survive in a wave caused by another ship,
feeling like you have to rescue yourself. She then went
on to say that she feels that her sister was
incapable of ever taking accountability for the circumstances she was in,
and then she also went on to say, I'm sure
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my sister never thanked you all for raising her children
and still being beyond gracious to allow her so many
chances to take part in their lives, even when you're old,
because that's how Jamalen spit, That's how the text is written,
even when you all had more than enough reason to
validate cutting her off. So I wanted you know how
much you are appreciated and supported by those of us
who love those boys. So basically she's saying.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I hate that so much.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's also hard to like, that's only a sampling of
text mestages, like it's hard to know what the whole
exchange was, but basically it is quite damning that like
Kevin's line out this whole narrative of Britney Spears being
a dangerous mother, and then her sons have said that, yes,
that's what's happened, and he's putting all the words in
his son's mouth. And then he has her sister also
in the book, like her own words, saying, my sister is,
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you know, not a good person to be around. I
felt this, and she should thank you for raising her
children because she was incapable of doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
It feels so calculated. It's like, oh, I've held onto
this for ten years, fifteen years, and now I'm going
to show everybody your sister doesn't even like you. This
is what she said about you. Your kids don't like you,
this is what they said about you. It's just so calculated,
and I find it's so upsetting. Yeah, I really find
it upsetting, you know, the way that people have profited
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off her, and allegedly the manipulation that happened around that
conservatorship of making her work by sort of dangling her,
visiting her children in front of her, or saying if
you do this, we'll let you do this. Like the
way that she was controlled so much in that thirteen years.
You know, I think that some of her behavior since
twenty twenty one is a reaction to being able to
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make her own decisions finally. But now there's this, and
it is all so messy and very very upset, and
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
This will villainize Jamielyn Spears even more because when Brittany's
book came out, and when Jamielyn Spears's own book came out,
she received a huge amount of backlash because people thought
that because her signature was on some of the conservative
ship papers, so that kind of negated her story that
she'd always told that she wasn't involved in it, even
though now she says she wasn't involved to the extent
people thought she was. And the thing is too like
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she also had like a horrificlhood where she was like
set up to be Nickelodeon's big, you know, new golden girl,
and then got pregnant as a young teenager and then
was basically like taken to a cabin in the woods
and locked up by like her family and Nickelodeon officials. Allegedly.
She says that's like all detailed in her book, and
was like almost forced to give up her child, which
she decided not to and lost her career. So like
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there's a huge story on that side as well. But basically,
like her income has always been tied to Britney Spears
in many ways as well in terms of like she
was the bread runner of the family when she was
a child. So it's really hard to trust anyone. I
really think the only way out of this is to
have someone come into Britney Spears's life who is not
financially dependent on her at all.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Can you imagine your whole life You can't trust anybody
because everybody around you, their livelihood is dependent on you
making money. You can't trust anyone. She can't trust anyone.
No one has given her that safe place, no one
in her life.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Kevin Feloin's book is coming out this week. It feels
like we've got so much out of it, but like
the full book isn't even out the world yet, So
that's coming. So I'm sure there's going to be even
more damning stories in there about Britney Spears. I'm sure
she'll respond again. All eyes are on her now, so
anytime she posts the video from her home, there's all
these allegations of her mental health and these calls from fans. Now,
they say a lot of people who were in the
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Free Britney movement are now calling for her to like
be have some sort of hole put over her or something,
just sort of again because she doesn't look like that
perfect pop star that people thought she was gonna look.
So it's a very complex situation and unfortunately, I think
in the next week it is going to escalate quite
a bit.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, I think there's more to come in this story.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm Cassenie Lukitch.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, Kevin Fenline is
just about trelease his highly anticipated new book, which is
about his life, but mostly it is a huge tell
all about his marriage to Britney Spears. So we're going
to go through the biggest bombsholls that have come out
so far, also Britney's response because she has shared some
very heated responses to what he said, and a lot
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of their other family members have also become entangled in
the story, including Jamie Lynn Spears, her little sister. There's
some really intense stuff about her and the book, so
we're going to unpack all that. But first, something a
little bit lighter.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Forget a rom com dua Leaper's Fionce Callum Turner has
revealed the perfect me cute and it actually happened to him.
So in an interview with The Sunday Times, he revealed
how he and Dua Leaper met are you ready for this?
Strapping guys, because this is romantic as hell. So they
met at a mutual friend's birthday party in la and
(01:26):
they got to talking and then they realized that they
were reading the same book. So they were reading Trust
by Hernan Diaz, and Callum said, oh, I just finished
the first chapter, and do a Leaper responds with, oh
my god, I just finished the first chapter two and
he comes back with the suavest line, Oh, so we're
on the same page, mic Drop.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He did think it was very romantic because in this
Sunday Times article he said that it's like if you're
in a movie, it would be the moment where you
like look up to the heavens and say, oh my god,
I'm going to marry this woman, which is very cute
because they are now engaged. I know.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But the Internet went a little bit crazy about this.
Everyone was like, this is fan fiction, this is crazy.
It's more romantic than some of the meat cutes in
some of the best rom coms. I think.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, some people got a bit intense with it because
there was this idea they were going to a mutual
friend's event, so he knew she was going to be there.
And she also has like a recommendation's website and podcast
service ninety five because she was born in nineteen ninety
five and she believes she was put on this earth
to be of service. I feel like she'd probably got
too much going on, but she does love to do
book recommendations. So people were like, did he possibly find
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out the book she was reading because she always posts
what she's reading, And did he try and like read
the same book so he'd have it in with her?
Which I would find very romantic, but I think it's
probably not that intense.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I don't think, so let's just leave it at the
really nice romantic one. So the book that they were reading.
I do want to like tell people about this book
that they were reading because maybe we can try and
recreate it for our listeners. So the book is called
Trust by Hernan Diaz and he's a Pulitzer Prize winning
author and the novel is about a financier in New
York during the stock market crash of the nineteen twenties,
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but him and his wife. So this is kind of
I don't know how romantic that is, but if you
want to recreate it, you can go read that book. Look.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Dou has also said in previous interviews that the two
of them have had a number of like sliding doors moments,
so it's not just this particular moment that is, you know,
very rom com esque of them.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yes, And I think the reason he's sharing this story
now is that, like he's outdoing press for his new
movie Eternity, which is a rom com that is coming
out very soon, and he has been an actor for
a while. I'm sure people will be like, you know,
he's not just Duallifer's fiance, but for a while that
is all I and other people saw him as. But
he is coming out in this movie. They think it's
going to be like a real star making turn for him.
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So it's called Eternity, and it's co stars Elizabeth Olson
and Miles Teller and then Callum Turner and it's Elizabeth
Olson passes away and then she goes into like purgatory,
and then she gets to purgatory and her husband that
she was married to for decades is there, and so
the idea is that they can now choose to go
together into Eternity, which is all great and romantic, But
(04:05):
then her first husband shows up who she was just
married to, very very briefly before he was killed, and
he has been waiting decades in purgatory for her to
arrive so they can spend Attorney together. But she can
only go with one of them. So does she go
with her first love who she never got to have
a life with, or does she go with the man
she was married to for years? And the two men
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are played by Callum Turner and Miles Teller.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You've passed away, Larry, Hello, I'm anna. I'm your afterlife coordinator.
And this is the junction where you choose one place
to spend eternity and who to spend it with?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
John jo and that.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Sharking news you did? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Had you know?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It took him forever to figure that out. Excuse me.
I've been waiting for the school and goes for sixty seven,
god damn years. I never dreamed this, clearly exactly how
I dreamt you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh, no, first housman, not in a war, John Uri, Honey.
The height for this movie is so so big. I've
got to say, out of all the movies, it's like
this and Wicked are the two movies and I'm excited
to see.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, so This premise bothers me a little bit because purgatory,
if we're talking about like the history of Hell and
like purgatory, Purgatory is designed and was originally sort of
placed as a place for non believers to be put
So if you don't believe in God, that you go
to purgatory. So the idea that someone's waiting there, I'm
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confused why they're in purgatory.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, I don't know if it's that the traditional kind
of like the way that Christianity has described purgatory. I
don't think it's that. It's more so that in this version,
it's kind of like the good place, how you go
in and have like your meeting and then you get
a signed to where you're going. So it's like you
come there and then they tell you you've died, and they
give you a choice of where to go. And he's
been hanging out with her, and essentially the waiting room
were like the waiting room where you didn't decide where
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you're going to go for eternity. Yes, so then it's
she has she goes on like dates with different each
one of them during their time and limbo to see
who she wants to spend the rest of her life with.
And the chemistry between Callum Turner, Elizabeth Olson, and Miles
Teller from this trailer is so good. Also, there's actual stakes,
like she can only pick one of them, send eternity
with Why.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Have they been waiting there for so long? I don't understand.
I'm confused. Is this movie is not doing it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Really, I think it's a pretty simple premise. I don't
know it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
This is something that bothers me about them just waiting
for her to be there and then Oh, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Sure you'll pick it up when you see the movie,
but it's it's more of a rom com than you know,
than anything else. But anyway, he's like Hollywood's nuw rom
com leading man. And I think he's really leaning into
this on the press tour, especially knowing that people love
him and do it together. So I'm sure he's got
all these cute stories that he's been like waiting to
wheel out on his press tour. And I think it's working.
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People are obsessed with him.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's definitely working. People love him and they seem very
very cute together. And I'm very offended that you don't
like my purgatory.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
We'll see when we see the movie. So Kevin Fedline,
former singer and backup dancer and reality TV stuff, but
now most well known for being Britney spear ex husband
and the father of her children, is this week releasing
a tell Or book. So the book is called You
Thought You Knew, And when he was talking about it,
he was saying that it sort of charts his life
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from his teenage years and like his early life to
him sort of breaking into the entertainment industry and things
he experienced. But a lot of the book is dedicated
to his relationship with Britney Spears, particularly the fallout after
her mental health breakdown when she was placed under a conservatorship,
and his marriage to his wife now Victoria Prince, and
(07:43):
his raising his children and being a father. And so
he did a lot of press leading up to the
book coming out, and there has been like a lot
of chart around like why he's doing it and the
bombshells that are coming out, But he keeps saying it's
about him telling his side of the story because for
so long he was known only as Britney Spears husband.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think it's unfair to assume that this is the
first time, he's being able to tell his story, unlike Britney,
who has been, you know, muzzled for so many years.
That to me feels like not a very valid reason.
I want to kind of go a little bit back
on their relationship history because I just want to let
refresh people's minds on who Kevin is, because I've got
(08:22):
some thoughts about him. So, Kevin and Brittany met in
two thousand and four, and then they got married three
months later. Now a lot of people may not remember,
but Kevin was actually in a relationship with shar Jackson,
who he has two kids with. Shah was pregnant with
their second child when Kevin met Brittany, and he left
(08:43):
Shah for Brittany. They were together for three months, then
they got married. Then Brittany has Sean Preston in two
thousand and five and Jayden James in September two thousand
and six. Brittany files for divorced in two thousand and
six as well, and then we get the kind of
famous two thousand and seven breakdown, mental health deterioration of
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Britney Spears, and then she's placed under the conservatorship. So
my feelings on this are the You know, Kevin has
had a number of chances to speak out on his
relationship with Brittany, but he's doing it now, and there
are some definitely very big allegations that he's made about her.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yes, And it's kind of interesting looking back on that now,
because I do have this memory of when Kevin and
Brittany first got together, and again, she was already such
a tabloid sensation, but a lot obviously from her music,
but from her relationship with Justin Timberlake, and when she
first walked on a red carpet with Kevin Fedline and
they were like hugging and kissing, and there's all those
ones of like where she's holding the tiny dog and
(09:47):
they're doing the red carpet walks, and people were like,
who is this man? And surely it's not serious, Like
she's just pulled this man out of like a lineup
of dancers to kind of make Justin jealous. And then
when they got married so quickly, that also made a
huge amount of headlines. And one of the allegations that
have come out in the book that Kevin Fedline says
is that like on the day of their wedding, she
called Justin Timberlake for hours, and he's like, now, I
(10:10):
should have seen that as a red flag that she
wasn't over him, But at the time I thought they
just had unfinished business. So like he's kind of already
dropping those like bombshells about their life, even from their
wedding day.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So he was a backup dancer and like I Love You,
which is the justin Timberlake music video, so they knew
they would have known each other.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, they're all in the same circles.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's interesting that he flags that as a moment in
their relationship. It's almost putting all the owners back on her.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, I mean, and also I should say that we
haven't in the book is not Australia in the time
of recording, but there's a lot of experts out there,
and he's been doing a really huge press run, so
all the information we have is coming from that. But
what I've sort of pieced together from the excerts that
he's put out, the stories that he's been telling is
that he's really framing himself as like this kind of
like good guy that just got really wrapped up in
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this situation with a woman he said he was in
love with and wanted to start a family with and
then he just got swept away in like the fame
and her mental health and the people around her, and
that's why he ended up taking all of his children
to Hawaii. So he has this children with Shah Jackson,
who I believe they still live with her, but he
like has custody of them. He also then had full
time custody of his two sons with Britney Spears, and
(11:17):
then he and his new wife, Victoria Prince, also had children.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So six kids, three women.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, exactly, and so he's kind of always been like,
I'm the dad. But the part of that that he
hasn't mentioned as much is that Britney Spears was bank
crawling that entire family. So she was paying obviously child
support for the two sons and also paying Kevin like alimony,
and that was supporting him and his new wife Victoria.
But obviously the kids are over eighteen now, so the
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payments have stopped. And that's been the allegation that he's
putting this book out now because the checks have stopped coming,
which he's denied. He's like, the only reason I'm saying
this now is that I want my story out there.
And I'm really worried for Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, I heard reports of twenty thousand dollars a month.
Is that what you've seen as well?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And that was always the amount that was sort of
put out there from the court docks that were made available.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
He has said in other interviews that he's like, I
don't really need it. I made, you know, millions in
this super Bowl commercial that I did. I'm not doing
this for them for me. I don't really believe that.
That doesn't seem authentic to meet personally. One of the
other allegations he makes, which I found quite shocking, he
alleged that Brittany was taking drugs while she was breastfeeding.
(12:24):
So he said that he walked into the dressing room
at this album release party in two thousand and six,
and I'm going to quote here found quote Brittany and
a young starlet friend snorting a fat line of coke
off the table. They didn't even try to hide it.
Then he goes on to say, please don't go home
and breastfeed the kids like this. Call your mum or someone.
We need to get the formula. You can't do this.
(12:47):
That was the proverbial final straw, the breastfeeding thing, her reaction,
that's what ended us and for me, the way that
this is framed is you know, putting him as the
nice guy and the good guy. He's the hero in
this and that is how I he's framing himself.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh yeah, a lot of stories, and like all the
big ones, like the excerpt that read in the New
York Times and the other chapters that been put out.
At all stories that he's telling, but he's always recounting
them through the eyes of his sons when they were
very young and saying like, either this happened to them
as babies, or this is something that they say that
their mum did. Because he also said that he and
Britney haven't spoken in like over a decade, and that
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they only communicated through their legal teams before that, and
that she doesn't have a lot of contact with the kids.
So these are all stories that he's saying that the
kids told him that he's written to this book. There's
one chapter where he says that they didn't want to
go back to Britney Spears house for their scheduled visit,
and they started telling their dad that they were too
scared to be around her, and he said my son
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said they would awaken sometimes at night to find Britney
standing silently in the doorway watching them sleep. Oh you're awake,
she'd say, with a knife in her hand, and then
she'd turn around and pad off without explanation. He also
says that the kids would say to him, Dad, I
don't want to have a bath with mum. She makes
me bath with me. I'm uncomfortable. When they were ten
years old. He'd also say that she was being very emotional,
(14:09):
that she was potentially taking substances, and also say that
things like the house were a mess, and basically he's
like recounting everything. He says his sons have said to
him to kind of put off having their scheduled visitation
with her.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I don't doubt that Brittany was having some really severe
mental health struggles during this time. I don't doubt that.
I think what I have an issue with is the
profiting of her problems and what was a very very
challenging time. And you know, we look back at that
time and there's been a lot of reflection on the
way that media reported this particular breakdown of Brittany, and
(14:45):
that media went too far. They made it worse, you know,
the shaving over her head. Brittany's crazy. It was all
of this discourse around her being insane and crazy, and
that was all anyone was talking about. I don't doubt
she had problems. She's clearly got some mental health issues.
There are problems in her life. The way that he's
talking about this though, he's now utilizing the stories of
(15:05):
his children to potentially like damage a relationship further between
them and their mother.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, and I wonder one of the reasons that he's
leaning into this a bit is that there was a
really good period of time where he was seen as
like a bit of a hero and a father by people.
Now people are sort of looking at him with questioning eyes.
I think it was Nicki Minaj who tweeted the other day,
like she subtweeted Brittany and she's like Kevin Federline when
I find you kind of thing, Like now everyone's like,
(15:32):
he's just profiting off his wife. But there was a
time then where you'd see photos of Brittany walking through
the streets looking very distressed, like falling down on stage,
not being able to like talk in interviews. And then
you'd see these photos of Kevin Fedlin like walking quietly
through the streets holding the children, him saying he didn't
want to do interviews. This idea that like he took
his children away and they lived this quiet little life
(15:54):
together for a long time. That was really the story.
And I think there was a lot of love from
fans on his side. So I wonder if he thought
if he came out with this book now, even though
after the whole Free Brittany movement, it does seem like
the wrong move if he kind of thought like, this
is my moment. And he's been asking to a few
different interviews, one about like the alimony payments, and he's saying, yes,
I don't need the money. But the other reason he's
(16:15):
saying that he chose to put the book out now
with his son's blessing is that he said that he
thinks the situation with Britney Spears has escalated to such
a bad point that he had to ring the alarm
because he's like, I just don't want my children to
have to go through the unimaginal. So it's kind of
alluding to the fact that if someone doesn't step in
with Britney Spears, then something terrible could happen to her.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
M I think it's that actually his intention, then he
wouldn't be blasting it all over the world. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I feel like if you were truly worried about someone's
mental health and wellbeing, and you know that that person
had in the past had in their own words, had
a very negative, bad mental health reaction to stories about
them being the press people invading their personal life, then
writing a book about them wouldn't be the way to
get them help. So I don't think it's that at all.
I probably have more respect for him if he'said have
(17:04):
just wanted the money, because at least that's like, that's
just a transaction.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You also said they haven't spoken, So what are you
sounding the alarm for. I've spoken to her in years?
How do you know what she's doing? All you're saying
is the social media, the same way that all of
us are saying.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I think he kind of picked his moment, and his
publishers picked his moment because there was a time right
after the conservatorship had ended for Britney Spears and she
married sam A's Gary, and there was this idea that, oh,
now she gets to be the old Brittany, and now
she's had this fairytale wedding and she's free, and everyone
expected her to go back to being the pop star
that she once was, and I think he probably knew
(17:39):
that was the wrong time because everyone was team Britney.
But over time, now like she's posting videos where she
seems quite erratic. There's been all these reports that like
she's being investigated because she's living in filth and disarray.
Her marriage to Sam Mascary broke up and now he's
gone off to be like an actor. It's interesting because
when Kevin Fedline was asked in his interviews about Sam,
(18:01):
he was like, I don't know what kind of a
man would ever marry a woman in that state, like
he took advantage of her, And then Sam Mascaro replied
to him through another interview He's like, well, he's a
professional dad that's really knows how to do. So once
that money train drives up, like you should probably ask
him what he's going to do, basically saying that he's
doing it for the money. So even these two men
are kind of like they're having their infighting, which is
(18:22):
causing more headlines against Britney spears.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I do want to be very careful about analyzing someone's
mental health because I think it's more complicated than any
of us are going to be able to understand. All
we see is what she puts on social media, and
I think from the outside, yes, it looks concerning. I mean,
I would say that I feel concerned from some of
the things that I see, But it's really hard to
know what's actually going on with her mental health without
(18:49):
actually being with her.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, and I just don't even know if there's anyone
that's all we're getting from this. It's like her ex
husband and with the blessing of her sons, as far
as we can see, have put out this tell or
memoir that is like literally dragging her name from Lamard
and is profiting off her. Her ex husband only ever
says lovely things about her, but at the same time
still lived off her for many many years. And even
(19:11):
though he says he's not getting his reality TV roles
off her name, I kind of do think he mostly is,
Like I don't know if he'd be pulled onto all
these shows and things if people weren't like, oh, but
he was married to Britney Spears, and we want to
hear his story. All her celebrity friends that were like
there for her wedding. I'm sure like Paris Hilton or
Drew Barry Morrislena Gometz would never met her before her wedding.
I'm sure they all care about her, but I don't
(19:31):
think that they're seeing her all the time. So it's
like she's a strange from her mum. She's a strange
from my father. She's strange from her brother and everyone else.
She's cut off all her former manager than team because
they were all making money off her. It's like, I
just don't think this woman has anyone around her. And
it's kind of interesting when you think about, like how
the Free Britney movement led to that, because there's been
(19:51):
some chapters come out from Kevin's book where he talks
about it and he kind of slams it as a
really dangerous thing. So in the book, this chapter that's
been released, he talks about the first time that Britney
was placed in an involuntary hold in a psychiatric unit,
and he's like, it was one of the hardest nights
of my life. I felt sick over what she was
going through. This was someone I had loved, someone I
had built a life with the mother of my children,
(20:14):
and when the Conservatives ship was placed on her, and
then the Free Britney movement started, which was the whole
thing that started that conversation about the Conservative ship ending.
He said, I think the Free Britney movement started from
a really good place. But all those people who put
so much effort into that, they should now put the
same energy into the Save Britney movement because this is
no longer about freedom, it's about survival.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
She was in that conservativeship for thirteen years. Ye, it's
an incredibly long time. The way that I see it
is him trying to be the good guy again. But
for me, that is he's not involved with her day
to day life. You were trying to portray yourself as
this wonderful man by saying, you know, you've got to
make sure that you're on Britney side and save her,
(20:59):
and you know I didn't want to see her in
a Conservative ship. Well, quite frankly, you're not supporting her
in a way that someone who actually cared about her would,
So I feel like I'm being quite critical, but I
find it really really poor timing. First of all, both
the kids have just turned eighteen. Yeah, exactly, we can't
ignore that. And secondly, he's, you know, just trying to
(21:20):
make money off her, like everybody around her has for
their you know, her entire life. She has responded to this.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So she has put out two different responsors, at least
to the like, she always talks a lot about her
children and the way people around her are treating her.
But when the news broke about Kevin's book and the
first lot of extracts went out into the world and
that story about her holding the knife came out, she
responded through a rep who sent this statement to some
of the news outlets who are running the story, and
(21:47):
it said, with news from Kevin's book breaking, once again,
he and the others are profiting off her, and sadly
it comes after child support has ended with Kevin. So
she's flat out saying through her through her representative, that
she knows exactly why he's doing this. So she went
on to say in that same statement, all she cares
about her kids Sean, Preston and Jane and James, and
(22:08):
they're well being during this and sacialism. She has detailed
her story in her own memoir, The Woman in Me.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, she actually mentions in her Instagram post too, that
she believes that Kevin's memoir is going to be selling
more copies than hers ever did. Yeah, I mean it
was an interesting comparison. Actually, I'm not sure if I
buy that either.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh no, I don't think it all sell the same
amount of copies. Like that was explosive when that Brittany
book first came out. I'm sure a lot of people
would buy this, but it's more so like even just
the stories that are filtering out through the headlines and
doing a lot of damage against her. Because then she
put another statement on Twitter, and this came after the
stories of from her sons that Kevin was saying. My
sons say they don't want to see her. They say
(22:48):
that they felt unsafe. They say that their mother did
all these things. And in response to that, Brittany posted
this from her own account, so you have to assume
it's her writing it, and she said, the constant gas
lighting from my ex husband is extremely hurtful and exhausting.
I have always pleaded and screamed to have a life
with my boys. Relationships with teenage boys are complex. I
(23:08):
have felt demoralized by this situation and have always asked
and also begged them to be part of my life. Sadly,
they have always witnessed the lack of respect show and
by their father for me. They need to take responsibility
for themselves, with one son only seeing me for forty
five minutes in the past five years and the other
only four visits in the past five years. And this
(23:31):
is interesting because I've never seen her say anything like
this publicly about her sons before she went on to say,
I have pride too. From now on, I will let
them know when I am available. Trust me, those white
lies in that book, they are going straight to the bank,
and I am the only one who gets genuinely hurt here.
I will always love them, and if you really know me,
you won't pay attention to the tabloids about my mental
(23:53):
health and drinking. I am actually a pretty intelligent woman
who's been trying to live a sacred and private life
for the past five years. I speak on this because
I've had enough, and any real woman would do the same.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Do you know what The key thing for me from
that whole statement was white lies. Lies is a very
odd choice of words, just say lies, white lies that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It makes it seem like it's not a huge.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Lie that to me insinuates a really small lies, something
minor and inconsequential. But that's not what these lies are saying.
These are really big allegations.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's almost like she's trying to say, like, some of
the stories in the book couldn't have happened because she
hasn't spent any time with her sons over the past
five years when they would have been in those teenage years.
And it's the first kind of stance she's like take
it against her sons by speaking to them via the
media and via the public and saying like I'm not
going to stand for this anymore, and basically saying like, oh,
let you know, when I want to see you, I
(24:51):
don't want to see you anymore because you've taken your
father's side. Essentially.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That's hard. That's really tractricky, because these kids have had
a pretty rough upbringing, growing up in that environment. Having
all of these things said about their mother not having
a relationship with her, you know, I can't imagine that
would be very easy. And in terms of like attachment
theory and being attached to their mother, that would have
been severely severely affected. Yeah, her being in a conservative ship.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, I think the thing to remember with this is
like we feel like we know so much about this
situation because it's been documented so heavily in the press
cycles for over twenty years. And we've had Brittney Spears's
Full tell Or book, which went so in depth in
her life with Kevin and the kids. And now we've
got Kevin Federline's book, which goes so in depth on
what his kids are saying. But I think Royal still
(25:39):
only getting like little tiny glimpses of the actual story.
It kind of feels like so much worse happened that
they're not detailing, or it's so much more complicated between
their children and them, but neither of them they've both
terry picked the stories where because I'm sure Brittany did
it too, Like she's terry picked stories, like if you
read her memoir, and I'm sure a lot of it's
(25:59):
true and like it's your point of view, but in
her memoir, like she's desperately trying to look after her
kids and she's a good mother. And then Kevin's story
is that he was desperately trying to protect his kids
from this crazy woman. And I'm sure both of them
believe that that is the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, yeah, there's human nature is to protect yourself and
portray yourself in the most positive light. And memory is
a funny thing. You know, one person's memory of a
situation will be completely different to another, and it's not
an accurate representation of what actually happened. So I'm sure
that they both believe that's the truth. But yeah, when
we're not really going to know. But for me, at
(26:35):
the end of the day, she's clearly very upset about this.
He is making money off it. I would love to
hear from the boys directly, but.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't even know if they would because you're so influenced,
especially that age, by what they've heard from their father
over the years, what they've heard from their mother, or
they've heard from They were very close to their grandfather,
Jamie Spears, who Britney alleges was like the mastermind and
did the worst things to her and was the one
keeping her in conservativeship. But they were really close and
there was a falling out with them. So there's so
(27:03):
many layers of family complication here. And the thing with
the Britney Spears story, which always makes every part of
it so hard to believe anything or to trust anyone
in this narrative. It's like everyone in this narrative is
an unreliable narrator because you've got to trace the money,
and they're all profiting off her in some way. Every
single person involved in that Conservative ship on both sides,
(27:25):
was profiting off her. She was paying the legal fees
on both sides. Everyone who works in that house is
somehow like tied to her for their income, Like her
ex husband, like Sam, like he was tied to her
for income. Kevin Fedline and all his ex wives and
children are all tied to her, all her like other family,
like her mum was getting like a salary from her estates,
so was her dad, so was her sister. Oh that's
(27:47):
the other thing. There's text from Jamie Lynn Spears in
the book, who has always said that she was not
involved in the Conservative ship. She's like, I was a child,
I tried to help my sister. I've always tried to
help her. But then there are these texts in the
book that Kevin Fedline says Jamie Lynn Spears sent to
his wife Victoria Prince, and in them, she's basically like
(28:07):
siding with Kevin, So he's obviously been sitting on these
for a long time and he's decided to drop them
in the book to kind of like say, like even
her family. Again, this is.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So low for me.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So the text that he has says, and I haven't
seen Jamillen Spears comment on this yet, but it is
like in the printed version of the book, so he
must have felt like he could. They must have verified
that these text messages came from her, and so this
text message from Jamiellen Spears to Kevin, and Victoria says, honestly,
this makes me want to cry because I feel for
those boys so much. I'm her little sister by ten years,
(28:41):
and I can't imagine what her actual children must feel like.
But I am familiar with the feeling of being a
dinghy trying to survive in a wave caused by another ship,
feeling like you have to rescue yourself. She then went
on to say that she feels that her sister was
incapable of ever taking accountability for the circumstances she was in,
and then she also went on to say, I'm sure
(29:02):
my sister never thanked you all for raising her children
and still being beyond gracious to allow her so many
chances to take part in their lives, even when you're old,
because that's how Jamalen spit, That's how the text is written,
even when you all had more than enough reason to
validate cutting her off. So I wanted you know how
much you are appreciated and supported by those of us
who love those boys. So basically she's saying.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I hate that so much.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's also hard to like, that's only a sampling of
text mestages, like it's hard to know what the whole
exchange was, but basically it is quite damning that like
Kevin's line out this whole narrative of Britney Spears being
a dangerous mother, and then her sons have said that, yes,
that's what's happened, and he's putting all the words in
his son's mouth. And then he has her sister also
in the book, like her own words, saying, my sister is,
(29:49):
you know, not a good person to be around. I
felt this, and she should thank you for raising her
children because she was incapable of doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
It feels so calculated. It's like, oh, I've held onto
this for ten years, fifteen years, and now I'm going
to show everybody your sister doesn't even like you. This
is what she said about you. Your kids don't like you,
this is what they said about you. It's just so calculated,
and I find it's so upsetting. Yeah, I really find
it upsetting, you know, the way that people have profited
(30:16):
off her, and allegedly the manipulation that happened around that
conservatorship of making her work by sort of dangling her,
visiting her children in front of her, or saying if
you do this, we'll let you do this. Like the
way that she was controlled so much in that thirteen years.
You know, I think that some of her behavior since
twenty twenty one is a reaction to being able to
(30:38):
make her own decisions finally. But now there's this, and
it is all so messy and very very upset, and
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
This will villainize Jamielyn Spears even more because when Brittany's
book came out, and when Jamielyn Spears's own book came out,
she received a huge amount of backlash because people thought
that because her signature was on some of the conservative
ship papers, so that kind of negated her story that
she'd always told that she wasn't involved in it, even
though now she says she wasn't involved to the extent
people thought she was. And the thing is too like
(31:08):
she also had like a horrificlhood where she was like
set up to be Nickelodeon's big, you know, new golden girl,
and then got pregnant as a young teenager and then
was basically like taken to a cabin in the woods
and locked up by like her family and Nickelodeon officials. Allegedly.
She says that's like all detailed in her book, and
was like almost forced to give up her child, which
she decided not to and lost her career. So like
(31:30):
there's a huge story on that side as well. But basically,
like her income has always been tied to Britney Spears
in many ways as well in terms of like she
was the bread runner of the family when she was
a child. So it's really hard to trust anyone. I
really think the only way out of this is to
have someone come into Britney Spears's life who is not
financially dependent on her at all.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Can you imagine your whole life You can't trust anybody
because everybody around you, their livelihood is dependent on you
making money. You can't trust anyone. She can't trust anyone.
No one has given her that safe place, no one
in her life.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Kevin Feloin's book is coming out this week. It feels
like we've got so much out of it, but like
the full book isn't even out the world yet, So
that's coming. So I'm sure there's going to be even
more damning stories in there about Britney Spears. I'm sure
she'll respond again. All eyes are on her now, so
anytime she posts the video from her home, there's all
these allegations of her mental health and these calls from fans. Now,
they say a lot of people who were in the
(32:26):
Free Britney movement are now calling for her to like
be have some sort of hole put over her or something,
just sort of again because she doesn't look like that
perfect pop star that people thought she was gonna look.
So it's a very complex situation and unfortunately, I think
in the next week it is going to escalate quite
a bit.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, I think there's more to come in this story.
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
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