October 13, 2025 • 32 mins
The new cast of The Traitors Australia has been announced, and the list contains some very surprising names, but how do they stack up against the international cast?
And this week we lost a Hollywood legend, with the death of Oscar-winning actress Diane Keaton. Tributes for the actress have been flowing far and wide, but we’ve rounded up some surprising stories about her legacy that will make you remember her differently.
Plus, Taylor Swift’s new album The Life Of A Showgirl continues to climb the charts, and now a slew of big celebrity names have been pulled into the headlines with her. So, who is feuding, who is sending secret messages to fans, and who had to keep their album a secret in the wake of Taylor’s release? We’re here to set the record straight.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm Cassanu lu Kitch and coming up on
the show today, we're going to be talking about the
life and legacy of an incredible Hollywood actress who very
(00:36):
sadly passed away over the weekend. Plus, it's been over
a week since Taylor Swift's new album came out and
there is so much more to discuss. There has been
a lot of fallout with a lot of big celebrities
who have been pulled into her orbit, So we're going
to get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But first, the Australian version of Traitors is returning for
season three and we've got a fullcast list now. I
don't know if you guys are familiar with Traitors, this
reality TV show.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Have you seen it before? No?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I have it. I'm super aware of how big the
UK one's gotten and how it overtakes their entire world
and con station, kind of like with Married at First
Sight here when it's at its peak. But I think
this is the first time, maybe because of how big
the UK one's gotten, this is the first time people
have been really invested in the Australian series.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, so it basically I didn't know much about it
and I haven't seen the series yet, but what I
found out is so this is the third season. They
put it on hiatus back in twenty twenty three and
it's kind of returning now for the first time. I
think off the back of the success of the UK version.
Now they've released the cast list, it's going to be
airing next year. I've got to say it's not as
(01:41):
exciting as the UK cast list.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, because the UK cast list has some really big names,
especially in the last season.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Let's start with the newest cast list for The Trader's
UK just to get like a bit of a baseline
of what we're working with. We've got Stephen Frye iconic, yes,
Alan Carr oh incredible, Tom.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Daily so the Diver he kmits love him. And Celia
Imri yeah, like a world class actress. And also Paloma
Faith a singer. Yeah, and who's known also for just
being like hilarious and saying anything that's on her mind and.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
They're doing it in a Scottish castle in the Highlands,
like it is such a huge production. And then we
turn to the Australian version. It feels a bit like
the TMO version. In Australia, we have like a lot
of people who just do the reality TV circuit and
sort of go on like all the different shows that
pop up, and I guess people enjoy seeing them on screen.
But what this list doesn't have that list of kind
(02:35):
of like big name actors, big name comedians, musicians, all
that sort of thing. Yeah, so we've got Kiera maguire
from The Bachelor, We've got Cam Merchant from Maths gamble Bro,
Real Housewives for Melbourne, Chrissy Marsh Real Housewives of Sydney.
We've got Dicko from Australian Idol and Costomer what else
throwback I mean from Australia.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That's the interesting thing is a lot of these people
haven't been on reality t FEE for a while. Like
we haven't seen Kieran MacGuire for a while, we haven't
seen Costomer for many many years. Even Dicko hasn't It's
been like a while since he did a stint. So
it's a few people resurfacing.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I know, and I just think that it feels a
little bit lackluster. But my sense is that because this
is the first season, they're rebooting it as a celebrity
version perhaps after this season if it is successful, because
it's being hosted by Greater Colleen, who is you know,
famous for her Big Brother hosting back in the day,
and I feel like she could probably bring a bit
(03:30):
of gravitas to this. I'm hoping that maybe after this season,
if it goes well, we can get some more sort
of big Aussie stars and maybe they'll do what I'm
a celebrity get me out of here did, and you know,
have that one big international star but they spend all
their money on. But yeah, look, I am looking forward
to seeing it because it does have such a huge
cult following in the UK. I might have to sort
(03:51):
of go back and watch a UK version and then compare.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I guess it all depends on what the storylines they
bring to it, because I don't think a certain level
of fame means the storylines are more interesting. It's more
just that the UK version are people who are just
genuinely wildly interesting to watch, and we usually don't get
them in this setting. Like if you see those clips
of like not to spoiler anything, but like and Car
like portraying one of his best friends on that show,
Like that's just iconic TV. It's not their fane level.
(04:16):
So like this a Strain version might be great. I
think the American one it was like Tom Sandvill coming
in and having this big redemption arc and people got
very invested in that. And yes he's famous, but he's
not movie star famous. It was just like and here's
like interactions with like Krishelle and the other people. It
was just good TV because of the storyline. So maybe
this will be good, but it's hard to say until
we see it.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
If you guys don't know what the premise is of
this show, because I had to look it up. So basically,
they all go into this like spooky location and they
have traitors and faithful, so they kind of split into
groups and they have to figure out who is a
trade out and who is faithful through all of these
different games and it's kind of very much a who
done it situation? And then they murder people each night
(05:01):
and that just means they get eliminated, not.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, and they get into those coffins and they close, right,
that's how you know they're gone. It's very dramatic, it's
very dark.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I kind of love it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But they and yeah, they win a prize at the
end if they get rid of all of the traders,
and if not, they lose, and that's the gang and
so at Lisa.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Stakes are high.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, you know, I don't know how much money they're
winning that. It seems that this is going to be
airing next year. I don't have an exact air date,
but it'll be interesting to see how it goes.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Dianne Keaton, arguably the most covered up person in the
history of clothes, is also a transparent woman. There's nobody
who stands more exposed, more undefended, and just willing to
show herself inside and out.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So over the weekend Sunday, our time here in Australia,
a lot of people woke up to the very sad
news that legendary actress Diane Keaton had sadly passed away
at the age of seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It was such a shocking it was like, that was
the first thing I saw when I woke up on
Sunday morning, and I actually audibly gasped because I was
so sad about it. She was such a fixture in
the Hollywood culture and so many incredible stories about her life.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
She's just such an icon.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. So she's someone that we've talked about many times
in this podcast, just because I guess that she's started
in so many iconic movies and there are so many
behind the scene stories that have made up the fabric
of Hollywood over time. But she appeared in sixty films
during her career, performed in more than like twenty television roles,
was also a very well regarded critical acclaimed director, and
had four Best Actress nominations, and she won in nineteen
(06:39):
seventy seven for Annie Hall, which was one of her
very big, first iconic roles and one of those movie
roles that has stayed with her. Not just because of how
much the fashion in the movie mirrored this iconic look
that she always had over the years, with the suits
and the jackets and the tires and the hats and
this very quirky, androgynous look that she carried through her career,
(06:59):
but also because some of the dialogue was based on her,
and that was her first big collaboration with Woody Allen.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, and so in this movie, Annie Hall is kind
of that quintessential Woody Allen film, and you know, it
really is that neurotic New Yorker and this love story
is very quirky. And Diane Katon was made famous in
that movie by she actually dressed herself in that movie.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And that's where we get that you know, baggy.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Khuky pants and oversized bowler hats and you know, suiting,
and it really was such an important part of culture.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yes, so that was sort of her style over the
years that she became just as well known for her
movie roles as she did for the way she did
interviews and the way she sort of moved through the world.
She was almost this anti fame, anti Hollywood person, which
for a lot of other people would see them kind
of move out of the conversation, especially as they got older,
but for Diane Keaton it made her almost more popular
(07:54):
with the new generation of fans. It seemed to make
her more popular in Hollywood because she would just go
on talk shows or do press runs and just say
whatever she wanted and not say whatever she wanted bad way,
but she just seemed to be so out of the
world of Hollywood despite being one of our biggest stars,
she sudden filmed such a as you said, Annie Hall,
A lot of people know her from Something That's got
to Give, The Godfather movies. I mean, I loved her
(08:16):
in so many movies, but personally, and I'd have to
say The First Wives Club and The Family Stone, which
is going to be hard for us all to watch
at Christmas this year.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The First Wives Club.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That song from that movie is the anthem of feminism. Yeah,
I absolutely love that movie as well. I mean, I
love The Godfather. I do think it's a pretty incredible
role for her, and that's kind of where she started.
But for our generation, it probably was that that Family Stone,
Something's got to Give.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
That's kind of where we would have mostly seen her.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, it's interesting how she was never like positioned as
a Hollywood power player, but because of the film she
was in, Like The First Wives Club was such a
huge hit and it became such a big money maker
at the box office at a time when these kind
of female led films were still seen as a little
bit of vanity projects. Especially at the time because if
anyone hasn't seen that movie, which it holds up so
(09:06):
well It's one of the few movies where even now,
like over thirty years, you're like, oh, it's still hit
so hard. And the lead actresses were Goldie Horn, Bette Midler,
and Diane Keaton, who were all in their forties and
fifties at the time, and that was also seen as like,
who's going to watch a movie about women that age,
And it became this huge success and it's got like
(09:26):
Maggie Smith and at Sarah, Jessica Parker, Victor Garba, all
these big names, and of course Hollywood, when there's like
a big hit like that, the first thing they think
is like, how can we make a sequel? And all
the actresses, so Diane Keaton, Goldiehorn, and Bett Middler all
banded together and so they would absolutely do a sequel
because they became such good friends on that movie. And
then they went to the studio and said, well, since
(09:47):
it's made this much money, then can we get a
pay rise for the second movie? That's fair because everyone
else is getting a pay rise to studio the directors,
and they basically said no. So all the women banded
together and they said, we know you love this movie,
but we will not make a sequel unless you pay
us what we're worth, and dian Keaton has always stood
by that and saying like, it's not about the money,
it's about the respect in the industry.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, and we know that, you know, women have been
paid less in Hollywood and everywhere else. But that's kind
of that first time of fanning together, showing their power
and saying, no, you need us, we are going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And she was like that though. I feel she really had.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That sense of power and strength and righteousness as well.
I feel like, like, you know, she was always like
wanting to be on the right side of things morality,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, I feel like especially like in her like sixties
and seventies and coming into like those last decades of
her career where she was, you know, still working quite
a bit instill doing the press rounds. She was kind
of known as being like a bit more eccentric.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
She'd go on The Ellen Show and talk about how
much she loves Justin Bieber, and then Justin bie would
come out to surprise her and she's fangirling and throwing
her hands up in the air. Or she would go
on Jimmy Fallon and this is how Unhollywood he was,
and he read like a list of people who had
shown up to this event to honor her, and he's like,
these people are your friends, and she was like, well, no,
they work friends, like I don't hang out with them
in a nice way. She's like I know what real
(11:05):
friends are, and like these are my colleagues. And he's like,
so Meryl Streep's not your friend. And Diane Kington like,
well she doesn't call me, so no, I don't spend
any time with her, and he's like Sarah Silverman. She's like, yeah,
she's nice. She's a woman, you know. And he's like, yeah,
I know because he's dated her for ages. And then
like Reese Witherspoon, she was like, oh, I only knew
when her when she was a child. Like she's wonderful,
but she's not my friend. Like everyone Pollywood wanted to
(11:26):
be Diane Keaton's friend, and she was all like just
very much like you're all wonderful people, but I'm not
cloud chasing by going after you. And so she kind
of had that and like the way she dressed and
everything very eccentric, but was also a bit of like
a not a ball buster that's like a very nineties term.
But there's a story of how when she was dating
is that. It's what I think why it just seems
(11:47):
to suit her, Like it's like a ballbuster. She's like abroad,
she's like a like she dropped out of her that phrase,
it's so long. I just think when you hear about
her life story, like she was I think it was
one of four kids. Her mom was a stay at
home mom, her dad works like a nine to five.
There was like she was one of many kids. But
she always kind of wanted to be an actress. I
think she was going to college and then she dropped
out to go and be a full time actress and
(12:09):
worked her way up and all these like theater roles
before she got her first big breakout movie role. We
always talked about like Carrie Bradshaw being the ultimate single girl,
but I actually feel like Diane Keaton is the ultimate
single girl because she had a lot of these very
long term relationships with like al Patino and like Warren
Baty and Woody Allen and everything, But she always said
that she would never ever get married and that she
(12:31):
just wanted to be a single woman. That's how she
was at her happiest. But there's a story of when
she was with al Pacino and he was in all
these big movies, but like there was something about his
manager not like and his accountant not saving any money
for him and not investing it, and he was running
out of money, and Dian Keenan basically got on the
phone with like his accountant and was yelling at them
to kind of fix his finances, pay him what he's worth,
(12:53):
fix things up. And like al Patino, who at the time,
like everyone's like he's like the god of Hollywood, the
most powerful man, but he like cowered behind Diane Keaton,
like ripping his team apart, and kind of spoke about
the fact that she was the one who fixed his
life and finances.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yes, well they were together, scar faced, you know, pinnacle
of masculinity.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, you know, s cowering behind her. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
One of the stories I loved that was also like
in that dating she actually stated Steve jobs for a while,
which I didn't realize, and I thought that was so funny.
And she broke up with him, and the quote that
she gives as to the reason is he'd start saying
things about the computer and I'm going, I have no interest,
do you believe it, Like she she basically like he
(13:35):
was too much of the nerds yo, and she's like, no,
I don't like computers. You're a bit of a nerd,
Like like I'm gonna go. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
There's that story that she talks about when she was
in high school and some guy and this is a
weird thing for a fellow classmate to say, but I
guess it was of a time said to her something like, oh, Diane,
you're going to make the best wife. And she said,
in that moment in high school, she just thought to herself,
I don't want to be a wife. That's not what
I see for myself. That's not what's going to make
me happy. And she kind of like clung to that
all through like her fame and like all of these
(14:05):
very famous, gorgeous men pursuing her. Then in her fifties,
she adopted two children, a son and a daughter, and
was like very very close to them. You can see
her like as they kind of became adults, her like
walking down red carpets, hugging them and like her at
events with them, and her talking about how like adopting
these children had been like such a beautiful thing for her,
but she always pictured herself making a family that way
(14:27):
and never being married, and not in like an angry
or dismissive and not that she'd even had her heart broken.
She was like, this is just my life. And I
know that doesn't seem like a big deal now for
a woman to say I'm not going to get married,
But forty years ago, thirty years ago, that's a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I was actually gonna I was going to say that,
like if we think about when she's doing all of
this with seventies and eighties, where women were still in
some cases not allowed to go and get a mortgage
without their husband's co signing it. So we're talking about
making a stance at a time where that's not the norm.
So the fact that she could still do that in
that time and stay strong in that and not apologize
(15:05):
for it either, I think that's quite impressive.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, So it's such an incredible legacy, and you can
see from all the people in Hollywood whoill posted its
amazing tributes to her, but even more just so like
when you see real people sharing like their favorite movie
moments and all the moments we grew up with, Like
even like the two father of the bride movies and
all those sorts of things that are like, I think,
to have an actress who's in all of these dramatic roles,
but isn't so many people's comfort movies. It's such a
(15:30):
huge thing. So yes, very sad, but such an incredible
life that she lived. So it's been over a week
now since Taylor Swift's new album, The Life of the
Show Girl came out, and since then, there's been you know,
over a million headlines around it. It's done millions and
millions of streams. It's broken so many records. I believe
at the moment there's maybe twenty eight iterations of the
(15:51):
album that you can go out and purchase if you
want to support the Taylor Swift billionaire empire really is
taking over the world. And even though it's been a
week and people are sort of expecting that potentially some
of the headlines around it would start to die down,
what we're seeing now is it kind of pop up
in a few different celebrity stories that are wrapped up
in this album launch.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
We obviously covered it last week.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You guys did two really wonderful episodes on the album
and the movie, and you know, I think that now
we're sort of settling into it. We've seen some of
the reviews. We're starting to see a little bit of
negativity come through, and I think that's to be expected
after like the big blow up and excitement, and then
you start to kind of get those little stories in between.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I guess everyone's waiting for any kind of celebrity
name that was wrapped up in it to say something.
I guess that one of the big ones is that
everyone was sort of thinking if like Olivia Rodrigo would
post anything or say anything, and because people think this
Taylor Swift song father Figure was about her, and she
hasn't say anything at the time, which I think is
fair enough because she's not doing a big trot at
the moment, she's not up on stage. It would seem
(16:57):
wildly out of place for her just to post something,
especially because there was legalities and that of Taylor Swift
having a writing credit on her song after she released it.
A lot of eyes have been on Blake Lively in
quite a renewed way, which is interesting because she's been
a little bit out of the headlines ever since the
last big blop of her court case with Justin Baldoni.
(17:17):
And it's almost interesting that now that we think that
Taylor Swift hasn't broken up their friendship and then she
and Blake Lively are still very close, which it kind
of goes against what we've thought for the last couple
of months, just because in the song Canceled, Taylor obviously
sings about liking her friends canceled and being the person
that is there to kind of like help them through this.
And she's also wearing Blake Lively's jewelry in a lot
(17:40):
of the images, and I've seen people say like, oh,
but she could have done that ages ago. Like albums
take a long time to come out. It's like this
issue has been going on for like over a year
between her and Blake. There's no way that a billionaire
would be releasing photos just because she can't be bothered
to reshoot them, or she can't be bothered to like
it's so easy to edit out a bracelet.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And I feel like she's so intentional with yeah creativity,
that she's not gonna just like that's not a mistake.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah. It's interesting because the last lot of headlines that
are blowt up in the last week are around Blake
Lively's contract for it ends with us being released the
world as part of her lawsuit with Justin Baldoni, And
there were all these bits in there around like things
that happened behind the scenes, and obviously Taylor's all wrapped
up in the lawsuit for that, And there was all
these details from the contracts around different like bonuses she
(18:26):
would get if if she was for an Oscar, different
bonuses she would get for box office. And I feel
like the tides kind of turned on Blake C. Lively
a little bit. Is like, once upon a time, when
people thought Taylor hated her, they might have really attacked
her for that. All the headlines would have been really negative.
But this time around, all this information came out around
her contract, and obviously she didn't get any sort of
(18:48):
critical recognition or Oscar nominations for that movie, Like the
movie was quite pan.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I love that there was a clause in there.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I think that's easy kind of standard. Yeah, is
like you get like twenty thousand dollars for like a nomination,
one hundred thousand dollars for a win, all these sorts
of things, which I think is fairly standard for a
lot of actors' contracts. If you get an award nomination,
you get an extra lot of money.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Wonder what you get if you get a razzie.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, I'd probably probably deduct money from your from your account,
fine and you get Yeah, but I think like, yeah,
with this, it was kind of like interesting, how like
now that Blake Lively looks back in like the Taylor
Swift fold, it's kind of changed how fans see her
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well, that's because Taylor's army is so influential and they
run social media. Yeah, like they are, so don't f
with the Taylor army. You know. One of the ones
that I kind of picked up on was Charlie XCX
in her SNL performance with you know, the T shirt
that she was wearing, the Kansas City T shirt. A
(19:46):
lot of fans were speculating that this was a bit
of a slight back at Taylor after her song actually Romantic.
So we don't have any confirmation of that, but it
does seem to be that this feud is continuing and
this does seem to be tensioned between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah. So this happened on the Saturday Night Live episode
this past weekend with Amy Pohla hosting, So role Model
came out and performed his viral hit, the moment Sally
when the line runs out. And what he's been doing
at all his concerts is bringing out mostly like a
famous woman, a surprise woman to be like the Sally,
like Hillary Duft did it recently and it's been a
whole thing. So when he did on SNL, there was
(20:23):
such a build up and like that was probably the
section everyone thought was going to get like a big
viral life and people would share the clips, so it
was a big deal of who the Sally was going
to be on this night. And then Charlie XCX came
out and there was like a huge reaction to that.
But then she's yet wearing like a black skirt and
a T shirt that says Max's Kansas City and obviously
(20:44):
Travis Kelce, who is Taylor Swift's fiance. If no one's
heard that news plays for Kansas City football teams the Chiefs. Yes,
a team I didn't know existed until I heard about him.
But that's fun. And yeah, some people are thinking that
it's sort of like a call out to Taylor. I
don't think it's that. It actually made me think that
the fallout from that album is kind of like that
(21:06):
they're having like a fun little game back and forth,
Like I didn't feel malicious at all.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean, look, I think people could definitely take it.
There's a lot of different ways you could take.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Just to teach, so that's what they like.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
She would also know that people go on that, so
maybe she's just playing along and having a bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I think she's just having a bit of fun with that.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I feel like she's got that kind of personality where
she wants to kind of be a bit cheeky, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I just think there's two easy ways to read the
Charlie xx Taylor Swift feud, if that's what you want
to call it, and it would all be contingent on
like what's happening behind the scenes, which we don't know.
All we know is that Charlie released the song simply
is a Knife, which was very much thought to be
about Taylor, but it's very much about how she sees
her as this like superstar she can't compete with in
her own like feelings of self doubt. And then when
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Taylor Swift released Actually Romantic and that came out and
like The first line is thought to be about Charlie,
where she says, I heard you call me boring Barbie
when the Cookes got you Brave. It's kind of like
a call to like the whole Charlie XIX brat Girl
summer and the persona she has there, and the lyrics
that song are very much around like it's sweet that
you think about me, but I don't think about you
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at all, which could be really cutting if there's like
a real riff behind the scenes, but it also just
could be two musicians who fuel their careers by people
like reading between the lines of their songs and reading
between like the secret Easter eggs and the moments and stuff.
And then Charlie doing the T shirt is a fun,
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cheeky way as like a nod to her without like
keeping the feud going.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, I tend to agree with you there because I
feel like this is beneficial for both of them, not
like Taylor needs more pr but it's it's keeping them in.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The headlines where staying relevant.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Charlie XCX has got to release new music and Taylor's
released a new album, and everybody's got to make their money,
So I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this was
just something that they were kind of playing along with
a little bit more. Yeah, but did you see the
Lewis Capaldi bit on Graham Norton.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, and I did. And the thing is like, at
the end of the day, like all of these like
not so much the Blake Lie stuff because I don't
think she wants any more publicity for that, but the Taylor,
the Charlie XCX, and the Lewis Capaldi of it all,
like it is kind of just getting us all talking
about their albums, which is kind of interesting because you
think that when you get to be that successful that
you don't need to be doing all these little like
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almost like stunts and like secret messages and all these
things back and forth. But Taylor's of herself said on
the Zane Low podcast this week, She's like, if in
the first week of my album launch, if you're saying
my name or the name of my album, then you're helping.
So I think she still thinks that old school thing
of like all publicity is good publicity and just get
it out there. And then it's having like a flow
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on effect from like her music to Charlie XCX's music
and Yeah, the Lewis Capaldi thing has kind of blown
up a little bit. So they were on the Grahame
Not in Couch Together.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, so they were on the Grahame Not in Couch
Together the day that The Life of a Show Goal
was released.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Killian Murphy was also there and Graham.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Asks Lewis about his new EP or his new music
coming out, and Lewis kind of like darts his eyes
around and goes, oh, I was told I wasn't allowed
to talk about that. Everyone looks really shocked. He goes, oh,
fuck it, and he talks about this new AP that
he's launching later this year called The Five, and people
kind of are looking at this clip and looking at
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Taylor's face and speculating that perhaps Taylor's team has said
you can't talk about your music because it's all got
to be about Taylor.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I don't want to get in trouble, he because I
feel like I'm going to get attacked, So I'm going
to be very careful with what I say.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I did look at her face, and she did look
a bit.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like, don't you just so that this is tailor? Like
I got a little bit of that vibe.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It's hard to say, watching that Graham Norton appearance back, Like,
on surface level, it's just like all of these cute
celebrities sitting on the couch together and they're all joking
and Taylor's talking about making bread and Killian Murphy is
sitting next to her, just with a polite smile on
his face. He looks he's smiling and everyone it depends
which clip you watch, because he does have resting like
(25:10):
angry face resting dick but a little bit yeah, but
he just looks like so happy that no one's talking
to him. I think like he's so thrilled when everyone
else on the couch talks and he doesn't have to.
And you've got like Jodie Turner Smith and then Taylor
Swift's talking and it's a whole big thing. And then
on the surface level, it looks so cute and sweet.
But then the more times you watch, all the more
you hear about that taping, it just sounds like the
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most like crazy controlled thing. So first of all, Taylor's
there and she's like chatting away, looking really you know,
like she's like just thrilled to be there on the couch.
She's like, I'm just one of you guys, we're all
the same level. And then graham Norton like plays a
bit of her song and they're all bopping along and
it looks a bit weird, And then we've since found
out all the allegation is because you know how Taylor
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Swift keeps her songs under such lock and key that
even when they were filming the music video to go
with the movie and to go with the release, the
dancers are just dancing to clicks through all the songs
because they're not allowed to hear the music beforehand in
case anyone leaks it, even though these are her tour
dances that she's been on the road with for two years.
But you know, you obviously can't trust anyone crazy. And
apparently in that clip where and graham Norton, wha, they're
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all bopping along, the song's not playing, So when you
see Killian Murphy like swaying to the phato Ophelia, he
can't hear anything. And like, obviously Taylor's sifts so good
at it because she just does this all the time,
so she's like clicking along and graham Norton's like, that's
why all their heads are bopping out of SINC because
they're not listening to anything. I love it, so like
that's how control the set was. And then yes, Lewis
comes out, And if anyone hasn't seen Lewis Cappaldi, I
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would just say, like just google him and just watch
all of his interviews because it's so funny and sweet
and I just adore the funniest person ever with the
best voice in the world, and he just says whatever
he wants, like the amount of times on morning shows
they've had to like bleep him and sense to him
because I'll just start swearing. He's just got such a
classic humor about him, and I love wanted to tell
stories about him and Ed Sheeran getting really drunk together
(26:55):
and yeah, like falling asleep on the side of the road.
Like he just seems like such a chill dude, which
is why I feel like the way that he was
darting around, he was like, oh no, I've been told
by Taylor's team and this is.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Me whatever, I don't care playing it off.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, it's so hard because that's the one where like
there's so many other things that you hear about, like
especially like with the fallout of Taylor Swift's album where
I think, like, oh, yeah, that one hundred percent happened,
like this person said this, Lewis person had said this.
This is one where like I just don't know, because yes,
Lewis Capaldi kind of sits down the couch and he
like apologizes to Jodie Turners Swift for swearing in front
of her baby last time they met, and all these
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sorts of things, and then just goes on to say
that the album's coming out even though he was told
not to say it, and Graham Norton's like, oh God
is singing like a canary. But everyone thinks that was
a caveat of Taylor Swift being on the couch that
there would be no announcement like that. But I don't
know because Lewis Capaldi, like he hasn't really said anything,
but there's been like whispers and like anonymous sources over
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the years that have said, like his label and his
management sometimes don't do his rollouts very well, and they'll
tell him to keep things secret when he should be
promoting them. Go to early. I think there was a
thing a few years ago where his team announced his
new album on the day that Taylor Swift's team had
announced her album and she done a bi rollt, so
he's got wiped out and his team, like the pushback
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from fans was like everyone knows that all other artists
hold when Taylor says doing a release, like apparently she
and Beyonce have a blood pack that they never release
music at the same time because they're the only two
people who would cancel each other out. But everyone else
just holds their music. And even Robbie Williams, like who
Huge Star has like confirmed this week that he has
held his album so it's not competing with Taylor. Because
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all her songs come out she releases, people have thoughts
about is she just being greedy, is she trying to
knock other artists out, or is she just you know,
so excited by all these different albums She releases twenty
eight variants, so not only do all her songs go
to the top of the charts, the release of multiple
albums also means that she like breaks every record for
the week.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
She's such a juggernaut that you just kind of you
got to leave it there, give it a couple of weeks,
and then go. But so maybe that's why they told
him don't do it now because it's just.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Got to get overshadowed.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But it's actually kind of done the opposite since he
did do it, because now people are speculating that he's.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean, if that was being yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Stopped by Taylor's team.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, and now this story is out there that Lewis
Capaldi was potentially like Taylor was trying to like take
him down and her team was trying to silence him
and he pushed back again. I don't know if that's
a story, but it's kind of worked out really great
for him because now that clip of him being like,
oh fuck it. I'm just going to say it has
gone viral in a way that like an album announcement
would have gone viral amongst his fans, but it wouldn't
have been the front page of every news outlet.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I don't feel like it's this big feud because I
think Lewis Capaldi is obviously a great friends with Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift famously have a great relationship,
so I feel like there's probably a bit of love
there and support of each other's music, and I do
think this crossover between Taylor fans and Lewis Capaldi fans,
And I don't think that Taylor.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I just don't feel like she would do that to him.
But maybe it was like said in a nice way, yeah,
maybe like it shifty though.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, well maybe she was like yeah, when he says
I was totled on to say, she goes oh, as
if like something terrible has had. But also she's very
reactive on those couches, like anyone says anything, and she's like,
because I think she's trying a show, like and she
would have to because everyone's looking at her and wondering
how she's gonna act out of the celebrities, and if
she does anything that looks like she's giving them a shade,
then she would get called out more than them. So
(30:20):
I think sometimes and I kind of get it, like
in that position, Taylor so has to overreact very like
she's listening and she's invested, so she doesn't look like
she's above it. But yeah, it's been really interesting as
like this like kind of second week of the Life
of a show Girl, the fallout and all the different
celebrity pieces, like everyone's looking to Charlie to see what
she'll say everyone's looking to Olivia Rodrigo, even Sophie Turner
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because they think that she's also mentioned in the canceled song.
And then you have the offshoots of celebrities who have
picked aside and the whole Charlie Taylor thing, like Megan Stutler,
the actress from Too Much, who has been doing her
She's so funny. You haven't seen her Instagram account. She's
been wearing that blonde wig she was wearing for Too
Much press, and she's doing like pretending to be Taylor
and doing like a parody song where she releases a
(31:03):
follow up where she and Charlie xx are friends. And
then Julia Fox has been reposting all these tiktoks in
support of and saying that Taylor's basically being a bit
of a mean girl. So all these celebrities are picking sides,
but it's all on the fun of the album. I
feel this is what they wanted when they put like
secret messages and stuff in lyrics, is they want people
to have these conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
How much longer do you feel like the hype around
the life of a show girl will.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Go litt at least another two weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
As an Insider and a Taylor You did two episodes
on Taylor.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You No, My whole life has been Taylor at the moment,
I think we've got another two solid weeks of all
these conspiracy theories, and then it will just depend what
other music videos she releases. Apparently Taylor's going to make
another big announcement this week. We'll see what that's going
to be. If it's not a vinyl, I'm just gonna
be like, get out of here. We don't need another one.
If it's a tour, an event or something like that,
great news. It might be that her Life of a
(31:56):
Showgirl launch party movie is coming to streaming like we
don't know, but I'm sure that will set off another
round of She's gossip and story a plan.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
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Speaker 1 (32:11):
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Speaker 2 (32:21):
Bye Bye
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Lo
So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm Cassanu lu Kitch and coming up on
the show today, we're going to be talking about the
life and legacy of an incredible Hollywood actress who very
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sadly passed away over the weekend. Plus, it's been over
a week since Taylor Swift's new album came out and
there is so much more to discuss. There has been
a lot of fallout with a lot of big celebrities
who have been pulled into her orbit, So we're going
to get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But first, the Australian version of Traitors is returning for
season three and we've got a fullcast list now. I
don't know if you guys are familiar with Traitors, this
reality TV show.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Have you seen it before? No?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I have it. I'm super aware of how big the
UK one's gotten and how it overtakes their entire world
and con station, kind of like with Married at First
Sight here when it's at its peak. But I think
this is the first time, maybe because of how big
the UK one's gotten, this is the first time people
have been really invested in the Australian series.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, so it basically I didn't know much about it
and I haven't seen the series yet, but what I
found out is so this is the third season. They
put it on hiatus back in twenty twenty three and
it's kind of returning now for the first time. I
think off the back of the success of the UK version.
Now they've released the cast list, it's going to be
airing next year. I've got to say it's not as
(01:41):
exciting as the UK cast list.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, because the UK cast list has some really big names,
especially in the last season.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Let's start with the newest cast list for The Trader's
UK just to get like a bit of a baseline
of what we're working with. We've got Stephen Frye iconic, yes,
Alan Carr oh incredible, Tom.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Daily so the Diver he kmits love him. And Celia
Imri yeah, like a world class actress. And also Paloma
Faith a singer. Yeah, and who's known also for just
being like hilarious and saying anything that's on her mind and.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
They're doing it in a Scottish castle in the Highlands,
like it is such a huge production. And then we
turn to the Australian version. It feels a bit like
the TMO version. In Australia, we have like a lot
of people who just do the reality TV circuit and
sort of go on like all the different shows that
pop up, and I guess people enjoy seeing them on screen.
But what this list doesn't have that list of kind
(02:35):
of like big name actors, big name comedians, musicians, all
that sort of thing. Yeah, so we've got Kiera maguire
from The Bachelor, We've got Cam Merchant from Maths gamble Bro,
Real Housewives for Melbourne, Chrissy Marsh Real Housewives of Sydney.
We've got Dicko from Australian Idol and Costomer what else
throwback I mean from Australia.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That's the interesting thing is a lot of these people
haven't been on reality t FEE for a while. Like
we haven't seen Kieran MacGuire for a while, we haven't
seen Costomer for many many years. Even Dicko hasn't It's
been like a while since he did a stint. So
it's a few people resurfacing.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I know, and I just think that it feels a
little bit lackluster. But my sense is that because this
is the first season, they're rebooting it as a celebrity
version perhaps after this season if it is successful, because
it's being hosted by Greater Colleen, who is you know,
famous for her Big Brother hosting back in the day,
and I feel like she could probably bring a bit
(03:30):
of gravitas to this. I'm hoping that maybe after this season,
if it goes well, we can get some more sort
of big Aussie stars and maybe they'll do what I'm
a celebrity get me out of here did, and you know,
have that one big international star but they spend all
their money on. But yeah, look, I am looking forward
to seeing it because it does have such a huge
cult following in the UK. I might have to sort
(03:51):
of go back and watch a UK version and then compare.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I guess it all depends on what the storylines they
bring to it, because I don't think a certain level
of fame means the storylines are more interesting. It's more
just that the UK version are people who are just
genuinely wildly interesting to watch, and we usually don't get
them in this setting. Like if you see those clips
of like not to spoiler anything, but like and Car
like portraying one of his best friends on that show,
Like that's just iconic TV. It's not their fane level.
(04:16):
So like this a Strain version might be great. I
think the American one it was like Tom Sandvill coming
in and having this big redemption arc and people got
very invested in that. And yes he's famous, but he's
not movie star famous. It was just like and here's
like interactions with like Krishelle and the other people. It
was just good TV because of the storyline. So maybe
this will be good, but it's hard to say until
we see it.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
If you guys don't know what the premise is of
this show, because I had to look it up. So basically,
they all go into this like spooky location and they
have traitors and faithful, so they kind of split into
groups and they have to figure out who is a
trade out and who is faithful through all of these
different games and it's kind of very much a who
done it situation? And then they murder people each night
(05:01):
and that just means they get eliminated, not.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, and they get into those coffins and they close, right,
that's how you know they're gone. It's very dramatic, it's
very dark.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I kind of love it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But they and yeah, they win a prize at the
end if they get rid of all of the traders,
and if not, they lose, and that's the gang and
so at Lisa.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Stakes are high.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, you know, I don't know how much money they're
winning that. It seems that this is going to be
airing next year. I don't have an exact air date,
but it'll be interesting to see how it goes.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Dianne Keaton, arguably the most covered up person in the
history of clothes, is also a transparent woman. There's nobody
who stands more exposed, more undefended, and just willing to
show herself inside and out.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So over the weekend Sunday, our time here in Australia,
a lot of people woke up to the very sad
news that legendary actress Diane Keaton had sadly passed away
at the age of seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It was such a shocking it was like, that was
the first thing I saw when I woke up on
Sunday morning, and I actually audibly gasped because I was
so sad about it. She was such a fixture in
the Hollywood culture and so many incredible stories about her life.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
She's just such an icon.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. So she's someone that we've talked about many times
in this podcast, just because I guess that she's started
in so many iconic movies and there are so many
behind the scene stories that have made up the fabric
of Hollywood over time. But she appeared in sixty films
during her career, performed in more than like twenty television roles,
was also a very well regarded critical acclaimed director, and
had four Best Actress nominations, and she won in nineteen
(06:39):
seventy seven for Annie Hall, which was one of her
very big, first iconic roles and one of those movie
roles that has stayed with her. Not just because of how
much the fashion in the movie mirrored this iconic look
that she always had over the years, with the suits
and the jackets and the tires and the hats and
this very quirky, androgynous look that she carried through her career,
(06:59):
but also because some of the dialogue was based on her,
and that was her first big collaboration with Woody Allen.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, and so in this movie, Annie Hall is kind
of that quintessential Woody Allen film, and you know, it
really is that neurotic New Yorker and this love story
is very quirky. And Diane Katon was made famous in
that movie by she actually dressed herself in that movie.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And that's where we get that you know, baggy.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Khuky pants and oversized bowler hats and you know, suiting,
and it really was such an important part of culture.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yes, so that was sort of her style over the
years that she became just as well known for her
movie roles as she did for the way she did
interviews and the way she sort of moved through the world.
She was almost this anti fame, anti Hollywood person, which
for a lot of other people would see them kind
of move out of the conversation, especially as they got older,
but for Diane Keaton it made her almost more popular
(07:54):
with the new generation of fans. It seemed to make
her more popular in Hollywood because she would just go
on talk shows or do press runs and just say
whatever she wanted and not say whatever she wanted bad way,
but she just seemed to be so out of the
world of Hollywood despite being one of our biggest stars,
she sudden filmed such a as you said, Annie Hall,
A lot of people know her from Something That's got
to Give, The Godfather movies. I mean, I loved her
(08:16):
in so many movies, but personally, and I'd have to
say The First Wives Club and The Family Stone, which
is going to be hard for us all to watch
at Christmas this year.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The First Wives Club.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That song from that movie is the anthem of feminism. Yeah,
I absolutely love that movie as well. I mean, I
love The Godfather. I do think it's a pretty incredible
role for her, and that's kind of where she started.
But for our generation, it probably was that that Family Stone,
Something's got to Give.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
That's kind of where we would have mostly seen her.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, it's interesting how she was never like positioned as
a Hollywood power player, but because of the film she
was in, Like The First Wives Club was such a
huge hit and it became such a big money maker
at the box office at a time when these kind
of female led films were still seen as a little
bit of vanity projects. Especially at the time because if
anyone hasn't seen that movie, which it holds up so
(09:06):
well It's one of the few movies where even now,
like over thirty years, you're like, oh, it's still hit
so hard. And the lead actresses were Goldie Horn, Bette Midler,
and Diane Keaton, who were all in their forties and
fifties at the time, and that was also seen as like,
who's going to watch a movie about women that age,
And it became this huge success and it's got like
(09:26):
Maggie Smith and at Sarah, Jessica Parker, Victor Garba, all
these big names, and of course Hollywood, when there's like
a big hit like that, the first thing they think
is like, how can we make a sequel? And all
the actresses, so Diane Keaton, Goldiehorn, and Bett Middler all
banded together and so they would absolutely do a sequel
because they became such good friends on that movie. And
then they went to the studio and said, well, since
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it's made this much money, then can we get a
pay rise for the second movie? That's fair because everyone
else is getting a pay rise to studio the directors,
and they basically said no. So all the women banded
together and they said, we know you love this movie,
but we will not make a sequel unless you pay
us what we're worth, and dian Keaton has always stood
by that and saying like, it's not about the money,
it's about the respect in the industry.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, and we know that, you know, women have been
paid less in Hollywood and everywhere else. But that's kind
of that first time of fanning together, showing their power
and saying, no, you need us, we are going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And she was like that though. I feel she really had.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That sense of power and strength and righteousness as well.
I feel like, like, you know, she was always like
wanting to be on the right side of things morality,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, I feel like especially like in her like sixties
and seventies and coming into like those last decades of
her career where she was, you know, still working quite
a bit instill doing the press rounds. She was kind
of known as being like a bit more eccentric.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
She'd go on The Ellen Show and talk about how
much she loves Justin Bieber, and then Justin bie would
come out to surprise her and she's fangirling and throwing
her hands up in the air. Or she would go
on Jimmy Fallon and this is how Unhollywood he was,
and he read like a list of people who had
shown up to this event to honor her, and he's like,
these people are your friends, and she was like, well, no,
they work friends, like I don't hang out with them
in a nice way. She's like I know what real
(11:05):
friends are, and like these are my colleagues. And he's like,
so Meryl Streep's not your friend. And Diane Kington like,
well she doesn't call me, so no, I don't spend
any time with her, and he's like Sarah Silverman. She's like, yeah,
she's nice. She's a woman, you know. And he's like, yeah,
I know because he's dated her for ages. And then
like Reese Witherspoon, she was like, oh, I only knew
when her when she was a child. Like she's wonderful,
but she's not my friend. Like everyone Pollywood wanted to
(11:26):
be Diane Keaton's friend, and she was all like just
very much like you're all wonderful people, but I'm not
cloud chasing by going after you. And so she kind
of had that and like the way she dressed and
everything very eccentric, but was also a bit of like
a not a ball buster that's like a very nineties term.
But there's a story of how when she was dating
is that. It's what I think why it just seems
(11:47):
to suit her, Like it's like a ballbuster. She's like abroad,
she's like a like she dropped out of her that phrase,
it's so long. I just think when you hear about
her life story, like she was I think it was
one of four kids. Her mom was a stay at
home mom, her dad works like a nine to five.
There was like she was one of many kids. But
she always kind of wanted to be an actress. I
think she was going to college and then she dropped
out to go and be a full time actress and
(12:09):
worked her way up and all these like theater roles
before she got her first big breakout movie role. We
always talked about like Carrie Bradshaw being the ultimate single girl,
but I actually feel like Diane Keaton is the ultimate
single girl because she had a lot of these very
long term relationships with like al Patino and like Warren
Baty and Woody Allen and everything, But she always said
that she would never ever get married and that she
(12:31):
just wanted to be a single woman. That's how she
was at her happiest. But there's a story of when
she was with al Pacino and he was in all
these big movies, but like there was something about his
manager not like and his accountant not saving any money
for him and not investing it, and he was running
out of money, and Dian Keenan basically got on the
phone with like his accountant and was yelling at them
to kind of fix his finances, pay him what he's worth,
(12:53):
fix things up. And like al Patino, who at the time,
like everyone's like he's like the god of Hollywood, the
most powerful man, but he like cowered behind Diane Keaton,
like ripping his team apart, and kind of spoke about
the fact that she was the one who fixed his
life and finances.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yes, well they were together, scar faced, you know, pinnacle
of masculinity.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, you know, s cowering behind her. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
One of the stories I loved that was also like
in that dating she actually stated Steve jobs for a while,
which I didn't realize, and I thought that was so funny.
And she broke up with him, and the quote that
she gives as to the reason is he'd start saying
things about the computer and I'm going, I have no interest,
do you believe it, Like she she basically like he
(13:35):
was too much of the nerds yo, and she's like, no,
I don't like computers. You're a bit of a nerd,
Like like I'm gonna go. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
There's that story that she talks about when she was
in high school and some guy and this is a
weird thing for a fellow classmate to say, but I
guess it was of a time said to her something like, oh, Diane,
you're going to make the best wife. And she said,
in that moment in high school, she just thought to herself,
I don't want to be a wife. That's not what
I see for myself. That's not what's going to make
me happy. And she kind of like clung to that
all through like her fame and like all of these
(14:05):
very famous, gorgeous men pursuing her. Then in her fifties,
she adopted two children, a son and a daughter, and
was like very very close to them. You can see
her like as they kind of became adults, her like
walking down red carpets, hugging them and like her at
events with them, and her talking about how like adopting
these children had been like such a beautiful thing for her,
but she always pictured herself making a family that way
(14:27):
and never being married, and not in like an angry
or dismissive and not that she'd even had her heart broken.
She was like, this is just my life. And I
know that doesn't seem like a big deal now for
a woman to say I'm not going to get married,
But forty years ago, thirty years ago, that's a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I was actually gonna I was going to say that,
like if we think about when she's doing all of
this with seventies and eighties, where women were still in
some cases not allowed to go and get a mortgage
without their husband's co signing it. So we're talking about
making a stance at a time where that's not the norm.
So the fact that she could still do that in
that time and stay strong in that and not apologize
(15:05):
for it either, I think that's quite impressive.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, So it's such an incredible legacy, and you can
see from all the people in Hollywood whoill posted its
amazing tributes to her, but even more just so like
when you see real people sharing like their favorite movie
moments and all the moments we grew up with, Like
even like the two father of the bride movies and
all those sorts of things that are like, I think,
to have an actress who's in all of these dramatic roles,
but isn't so many people's comfort movies. It's such a
(15:30):
huge thing. So yes, very sad, but such an incredible
life that she lived. So it's been over a week
now since Taylor Swift's new album, The Life of the
Show Girl came out, and since then, there's been you know,
over a million headlines around it. It's done millions and
millions of streams. It's broken so many records. I believe
at the moment there's maybe twenty eight iterations of the
(15:51):
album that you can go out and purchase if you
want to support the Taylor Swift billionaire empire really is
taking over the world. And even though it's been a
week and people are sort of expecting that potentially some
of the headlines around it would start to die down,
what we're seeing now is it kind of pop up
in a few different celebrity stories that are wrapped up
in this album launch.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
We obviously covered it last week.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You guys did two really wonderful episodes on the album
and the movie, and you know, I think that now
we're sort of settling into it. We've seen some of
the reviews. We're starting to see a little bit of
negativity come through, and I think that's to be expected
after like the big blow up and excitement, and then
you start to kind of get those little stories in between.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I guess everyone's waiting for any kind of celebrity
name that was wrapped up in it to say something.
I guess that one of the big ones is that
everyone was sort of thinking if like Olivia Rodrigo would
post anything or say anything, and because people think this
Taylor Swift song father Figure was about her, and she
hasn't say anything at the time, which I think is
fair enough because she's not doing a big trot at
the moment, she's not up on stage. It would seem
(16:57):
wildly out of place for her just to post something,
especially because there was legalities and that of Taylor Swift
having a writing credit on her song after she released it.
A lot of eyes have been on Blake Lively in
quite a renewed way, which is interesting because she's been
a little bit out of the headlines ever since the
last big blop of her court case with Justin Baldoni.
(17:17):
And it's almost interesting that now that we think that
Taylor Swift hasn't broken up their friendship and then she
and Blake Lively are still very close, which it kind
of goes against what we've thought for the last couple
of months, just because in the song Canceled, Taylor obviously
sings about liking her friends canceled and being the person
that is there to kind of like help them through this.
And she's also wearing Blake Lively's jewelry in a lot
(17:40):
of the images, and I've seen people say like, oh,
but she could have done that ages ago. Like albums
take a long time to come out. It's like this
issue has been going on for like over a year
between her and Blake. There's no way that a billionaire
would be releasing photos just because she can't be bothered
to reshoot them, or she can't be bothered to like
it's so easy to edit out a bracelet.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And I feel like she's so intentional with yeah creativity,
that she's not gonna just like that's not a mistake.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah. It's interesting because the last lot of headlines that
are blowt up in the last week are around Blake
Lively's contract for it ends with us being released the
world as part of her lawsuit with Justin Baldoni, And
there were all these bits in there around like things
that happened behind the scenes, and obviously Taylor's all wrapped
up in the lawsuit for that, And there was all
these details from the contracts around different like bonuses she
(18:26):
would get if if she was for an Oscar, different
bonuses she would get for box office. And I feel
like the tides kind of turned on Blake C. Lively
a little bit. Is like, once upon a time, when
people thought Taylor hated her, they might have really attacked
her for that. All the headlines would have been really negative.
But this time around, all this information came out around
her contract, and obviously she didn't get any sort of
(18:48):
critical recognition or Oscar nominations for that movie, Like the
movie was quite pan.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I love that there was a clause in there.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I think that's easy kind of standard. Yeah, is
like you get like twenty thousand dollars for like a nomination,
one hundred thousand dollars for a win, all these sorts
of things, which I think is fairly standard for a
lot of actors' contracts. If you get an award nomination,
you get an extra lot of money.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Wonder what you get if you get a razzie.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, I'd probably probably deduct money from your from your account,
fine and you get Yeah, but I think like, yeah,
with this, it was kind of like interesting, how like
now that Blake Lively looks back in like the Taylor
Swift fold, it's kind of changed how fans see her
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well, that's because Taylor's army is so influential and they
run social media. Yeah, like they are, so don't f
with the Taylor army. You know. One of the ones
that I kind of picked up on was Charlie XCX
in her SNL performance with you know, the T shirt
that she was wearing, the Kansas City T shirt. A
(19:46):
lot of fans were speculating that this was a bit
of a slight back at Taylor after her song actually Romantic.
So we don't have any confirmation of that, but it
does seem to be that this feud is continuing and
this does seem to be tensioned between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah. So this happened on the Saturday Night Live episode
this past weekend with Amy Pohla hosting, So role Model
came out and performed his viral hit, the moment Sally
when the line runs out. And what he's been doing
at all his concerts is bringing out mostly like a
famous woman, a surprise woman to be like the Sally,
like Hillary Duft did it recently and it's been a
whole thing. So when he did on SNL, there was
(20:23):
such a build up and like that was probably the
section everyone thought was going to get like a big
viral life and people would share the clips, so it
was a big deal of who the Sally was going
to be on this night. And then Charlie XCX came
out and there was like a huge reaction to that.
But then she's yet wearing like a black skirt and
a T shirt that says Max's Kansas City and obviously
(20:44):
Travis Kelce, who is Taylor Swift's fiance. If no one's
heard that news plays for Kansas City football teams the Chiefs. Yes,
a team I didn't know existed until I heard about him.
But that's fun. And yeah, some people are thinking that
it's sort of like a call out to Taylor. I
don't think it's that. It actually made me think that
the fallout from that album is kind of like that
(21:06):
they're having like a fun little game back and forth,
Like I didn't feel malicious at all.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean, look, I think people could definitely take it.
There's a lot of different ways you could take.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Just to teach, so that's what they like.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
She would also know that people go on that, so
maybe she's just playing along and having a bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I think she's just having a bit of fun with that.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I feel like she's got that kind of personality where
she wants to kind of be a bit cheeky, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I just think there's two easy ways to read the
Charlie xx Taylor Swift feud, if that's what you want
to call it, and it would all be contingent on
like what's happening behind the scenes, which we don't know.
All we know is that Charlie released the song simply
is a Knife, which was very much thought to be
about Taylor, but it's very much about how she sees
her as this like superstar she can't compete with in
her own like feelings of self doubt. And then when
(21:51):
Taylor Swift released Actually Romantic and that came out and
like The first line is thought to be about Charlie,
where she says, I heard you call me boring Barbie
when the Cookes got you Brave. It's kind of like
a call to like the whole Charlie XIX brat Girl
summer and the persona she has there, and the lyrics
that song are very much around like it's sweet that
you think about me, but I don't think about you
(22:13):
at all, which could be really cutting if there's like
a real riff behind the scenes, but it also just
could be two musicians who fuel their careers by people
like reading between the lines of their songs and reading
between like the secret Easter eggs and the moments and stuff.
And then Charlie doing the T shirt is a fun,
(22:33):
cheeky way as like a nod to her without like
keeping the feud going.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, I tend to agree with you there because I
feel like this is beneficial for both of them, not
like Taylor needs more pr but it's it's keeping them in.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The headlines where staying relevant.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Charlie XCX has got to release new music and Taylor's
released a new album, and everybody's got to make their money,
So I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this was
just something that they were kind of playing along with
a little bit more. Yeah, but did you see the
Lewis Capaldi bit on Graham Norton.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, and I did. And the thing is like, at
the end of the day, like all of these like
not so much the Blake Lie stuff because I don't
think she wants any more publicity for that, but the Taylor,
the Charlie XCX, and the Lewis Capaldi of it all,
like it is kind of just getting us all talking
about their albums, which is kind of interesting because you
think that when you get to be that successful that
you don't need to be doing all these little like
(23:27):
almost like stunts and like secret messages and all these
things back and forth. But Taylor's of herself said on
the Zane Low podcast this week, She's like, if in
the first week of my album launch, if you're saying
my name or the name of my album, then you're helping.
So I think she still thinks that old school thing
of like all publicity is good publicity and just get
it out there. And then it's having like a flow
(23:49):
on effect from like her music to Charlie XCX's music
and Yeah, the Lewis Capaldi thing has kind of blown
up a little bit. So they were on the Grahame
Not in Couch Together.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, so they were on the Grahame Not in Couch
Together the day that The Life of a Show Goal
was released.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Killian Murphy was also there and Graham.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Asks Lewis about his new EP or his new music
coming out, and Lewis kind of like darts his eyes
around and goes, oh, I was told I wasn't allowed
to talk about that. Everyone looks really shocked. He goes, oh,
fuck it, and he talks about this new AP that
he's launching later this year called The Five, and people
kind of are looking at this clip and looking at
(24:28):
Taylor's face and speculating that perhaps Taylor's team has said
you can't talk about your music because it's all got
to be about Taylor.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I don't want to get in trouble, he because I
feel like I'm going to get attacked, So I'm going
to be very careful with what I say.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I did look at her face, and she did look
a bit.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like, don't you just so that this is tailor? Like
I got a little bit of that vibe.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It's hard to say, watching that Graham Norton appearance back, Like,
on surface level, it's just like all of these cute
celebrities sitting on the couch together and they're all joking
and Taylor's talking about making bread and Killian Murphy is
sitting next to her, just with a polite smile on
his face. He looks he's smiling and everyone it depends
which clip you watch, because he does have resting like
(25:10):
angry face resting dick but a little bit yeah, but
he just looks like so happy that no one's talking
to him. I think like he's so thrilled when everyone
else on the couch talks and he doesn't have to.
And you've got like Jodie Turner Smith and then Taylor
Swift's talking and it's a whole big thing. And then
on the surface level, it looks so cute and sweet.
But then the more times you watch, all the more
you hear about that taping, it just sounds like the
(25:30):
most like crazy controlled thing. So first of all, Taylor's
there and she's like chatting away, looking really you know,
like she's like just thrilled to be there on the couch.
She's like, I'm just one of you guys, we're all
the same level. And then graham Norton like plays a
bit of her song and they're all bopping along and
it looks a bit weird, And then we've since found
out all the allegation is because you know how Taylor
(25:50):
Swift keeps her songs under such lock and key that
even when they were filming the music video to go
with the movie and to go with the release, the
dancers are just dancing to clicks through all the songs
because they're not allowed to hear the music beforehand in
case anyone leaks it, even though these are her tour
dances that she's been on the road with for two years.
But you know, you obviously can't trust anyone crazy. And
apparently in that clip where and graham Norton, wha, they're
(26:12):
all bopping along, the song's not playing, So when you
see Killian Murphy like swaying to the phato Ophelia, he
can't hear anything. And like, obviously Taylor's sifts so good
at it because she just does this all the time,
so she's like clicking along and graham Norton's like, that's
why all their heads are bopping out of SINC because
they're not listening to anything. I love it, so like
that's how control the set was. And then yes, Lewis
comes out, And if anyone hasn't seen Lewis Cappaldi, I
(26:35):
would just say, like just google him and just watch
all of his interviews because it's so funny and sweet
and I just adore the funniest person ever with the
best voice in the world, and he just says whatever
he wants, like the amount of times on morning shows
they've had to like bleep him and sense to him
because I'll just start swearing. He's just got such a
classic humor about him, and I love wanted to tell
stories about him and Ed Sheeran getting really drunk together
(26:55):
and yeah, like falling asleep on the side of the road.
Like he just seems like such a chill dude, which
is why I feel like the way that he was
darting around, he was like, oh no, I've been told
by Taylor's team and this is.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Me whatever, I don't care playing it off.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, it's so hard because that's the one where like
there's so many other things that you hear about, like
especially like with the fallout of Taylor Swift's album where
I think, like, oh, yeah, that one hundred percent happened,
like this person said this, Lewis person had said this.
This is one where like I just don't know, because yes,
Lewis Capaldi kind of sits down the couch and he
like apologizes to Jodie Turners Swift for swearing in front
of her baby last time they met, and all these
(27:31):
sorts of things, and then just goes on to say
that the album's coming out even though he was told
not to say it, and Graham Norton's like, oh God
is singing like a canary. But everyone thinks that was
a caveat of Taylor Swift being on the couch that
there would be no announcement like that. But I don't
know because Lewis Capaldi, like he hasn't really said anything,
but there's been like whispers and like anonymous sources over
(27:54):
the years that have said, like his label and his
management sometimes don't do his rollouts very well, and they'll
tell him to keep things secret when he should be
promoting them. Go to early. I think there was a
thing a few years ago where his team announced his
new album on the day that Taylor Swift's team had
announced her album and she done a bi rollt, so
he's got wiped out and his team, like the pushback
(28:14):
from fans was like everyone knows that all other artists
hold when Taylor says doing a release, like apparently she
and Beyonce have a blood pack that they never release
music at the same time because they're the only two
people who would cancel each other out. But everyone else
just holds their music. And even Robbie Williams, like who
Huge Star has like confirmed this week that he has
held his album so it's not competing with Taylor. Because
(28:34):
all her songs come out she releases, people have thoughts
about is she just being greedy, is she trying to
knock other artists out, or is she just you know,
so excited by all these different albums She releases twenty
eight variants, so not only do all her songs go
to the top of the charts, the release of multiple
albums also means that she like breaks every record for
the week.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
She's such a juggernaut that you just kind of you
got to leave it there, give it a couple of weeks,
and then go. But so maybe that's why they told
him don't do it now because it's just.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Got to get overshadowed.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But it's actually kind of done the opposite since he
did do it, because now people are speculating that he's.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean, if that was being yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Stopped by Taylor's team.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, and now this story is out there that Lewis
Capaldi was potentially like Taylor was trying to like take
him down and her team was trying to silence him
and he pushed back again. I don't know if that's
a story, but it's kind of worked out really great
for him because now that clip of him being like,
oh fuck it. I'm just going to say it has
gone viral in a way that like an album announcement
would have gone viral amongst his fans, but it wouldn't
have been the front page of every news outlet.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I don't feel like it's this big feud because I
think Lewis Capaldi is obviously a great friends with Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift famously have a great relationship,
so I feel like there's probably a bit of love
there and support of each other's music, and I do
think this crossover between Taylor fans and Lewis Capaldi fans,
And I don't think that Taylor.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I just don't feel like she would do that to him.
But maybe it was like said in a nice way, yeah,
maybe like it shifty though.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, well maybe she was like yeah, when he says
I was totled on to say, she goes oh, as
if like something terrible has had. But also she's very
reactive on those couches, like anyone says anything, and she's like,
because I think she's trying a show, like and she
would have to because everyone's looking at her and wondering
how she's gonna act out of the celebrities, and if
she does anything that looks like she's giving them a shade,
then she would get called out more than them. So
(30:20):
I think sometimes and I kind of get it, like
in that position, Taylor so has to overreact very like
she's listening and she's invested, so she doesn't look like
she's above it. But yeah, it's been really interesting as
like this like kind of second week of the Life
of a show Girl, the fallout and all the different
celebrity pieces, like everyone's looking to Charlie to see what
she'll say everyone's looking to Olivia Rodrigo, even Sophie Turner
(30:41):
because they think that she's also mentioned in the canceled song.
And then you have the offshoots of celebrities who have
picked aside and the whole Charlie Taylor thing, like Megan Stutler,
the actress from Too Much, who has been doing her
She's so funny. You haven't seen her Instagram account. She's
been wearing that blonde wig she was wearing for Too
Much press, and she's doing like pretending to be Taylor
and doing like a parody song where she releases a
(31:03):
follow up where she and Charlie xx are friends. And
then Julia Fox has been reposting all these tiktoks in
support of and saying that Taylor's basically being a bit
of a mean girl. So all these celebrities are picking sides,
but it's all on the fun of the album. I
feel this is what they wanted when they put like
secret messages and stuff in lyrics, is they want people
to have these conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
How much longer do you feel like the hype around
the life of a show girl will.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Go litt at least another two weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
As an Insider and a Taylor You did two episodes
on Taylor.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You No, My whole life has been Taylor at the moment,
I think we've got another two solid weeks of all
these conspiracy theories, and then it will just depend what
other music videos she releases. Apparently Taylor's going to make
another big announcement this week. We'll see what that's going
to be. If it's not a vinyl, I'm just gonna
be like, get out of here. We don't need another one.
If it's a tour, an event or something like that,
great news. It might be that her Life of a
(31:56):
Showgirl launch party movie is coming to streaming like we
don't know, but I'm sure that will set off another
round of She's gossip and story a plan.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
Don't forget to follow us on TikTok Instagram.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm going to be back in your podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Feeded eight am tomorrow with Morning Tea, and then again
at three for another ep The Spill. Spill was produced
by Minitia is Worn, with sound production by Scott Stronach.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Bye Bye
Speaker 4 (32:26):
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