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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassania Lakitch.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, we have some
more Hailey Baber and Justin Bieber drama to bring you.
I know everyone's talking about Scooter Braun, but there's actually
something that was all two things actually that Roren Hailey
Baber's insta story that are much more exclusive than that
that we need to talk about. Plus our favorite online gal,
Amelia de Moldenburg, the Chicken Shop Date Lady, is caught
(00:53):
up in a drama with one of our other favorite
online performers, Bow and Yang.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yes it's very controversial.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yes, yes, the drama's not between them, but we'll get
to it. We'll get to this is my favorite story
from the weekend. But first we have some Hollywood news.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
We have some casting announcements. There's two very very anticipation
did sequels coming up now The Devil Wears prior to
casting update, so we're obviously all very excited about this,
but I'll give you some of the casting updates that
we've got as of today, Lucy Lou is joining the cast.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
That is my favorite bit of the casting news from
this whole thing, because obviously Lucy Lou Charlie's Angels, we
know she's been in so many amazing movies and TV shows.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, the speculation is she's going to be a rival editor.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So all I can think about is, you know they're
scene in Charlie's Angels where she's placed the Dominatrix.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes, yes, yes, and she's walking down it's.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh, Bara Kuda, do you know that? That's what I'm
picturing in my head.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's that. And also her very short lived TV series
Kashmir Mafia, where she plays a magazine editor. There only
twenty years old now, but it was meant to be
the replacement from Sex and the City and it was
about four best friends living New York with all of
these glamorous jobs and their relationships. And it only kind
of went for like, I think one season, maybe one
and a half. It ended because of the writers' strike
(02:10):
and they just never brought it back. But she was
so good in that role, so the fact that she
could come back playing a magazine editor. I'm like Justice
for Cashman Mafia. Okay, I never saw that one. I
feel like you'd like it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I think I would. I would.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I love Lucy Loo. Justin throu is also on board.
We don't know what his role is going to be.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Just he just shows up and everything right he does.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I feel like he was in Charlie's Angels Tea.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
He was in charlie Angels as well.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, he was the Irish gang guy. Anyway. I thought
he was really hot back then.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, and he's still hot now. I just feel like
whenever I'm watching something like Running Point recently the Kate
Hudson Show, and it's like, is up dustin throw here?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It is everything.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Bj Novak, we love him from the office. We don't
know what he's playing. Pauline Shallow may no relation to Timothy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Your sister is Yeah, so she's in Sex Gives of College.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I never watched I haven't watched that show.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yees, so she's yeah, she's his sister.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I feel like I should know that.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Simone Ashley from Bridget also been cast, and Kenneth Bruno,
who is gonna be playing Miranda Priestley's husband.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm so excited by that. That's genius casting. And also,
I mean, I'm sure the Devil West Pride of team
know what they're doing, but I've been quite stressed about
their timeline. So I'm glad they're getting a wigger on
because this movie is coming out next year and quite soon,
because I get the movie release schedules of like what's
coming out for the next year, and so the official
release date for Devil Roes Prior came out in one
(03:36):
of the latest reports, and it's not that far away
from a movie that, as far as I know, has
not been shot yet.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I feel like though with these kind of it's not
like it's gonna have a ton of special effects. They're
not gonna have to do a little post production on it.
They can do like a six weeks shooting schedule and
then turn it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Like I know how to make a movie. Well, I know.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That's the thing is, like you hear these movies being
like still edited the day before, even like with a
recent mission.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Impossible.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Tom's like Tom Cruise at the premiere was like, We've
just finished editing this movie like yesterday, So none of
us have seen it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But that's because of all the effects you're gonna have
practical that stunt work, you know, CGI. A movie like
Devil Wears prior to two is not going to have
like a ton of CGI and practically no I know, but.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Even just the editing process, like that's a make or
break for a movie. Yeah, Like anyway, So I'm just
I'm stressed about their workload and timeline. I'd love them
to get it together. I just I think so. I
think Devil's Pride team, I think we're playing out a
bit fast and loose, is all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The other sequel that I'm super excited about is Practical
Magic too. With this has been in the works for
a while. But we do have a bit of a
casting update. Evan rachel Wood is not going to be
returning in her role. She basically led out a statement
saying that she actually wasn't approached that she wanted to return,
and she was disappointed that she didn't get to return
(04:50):
in the role. She says, I regret disappointing the fans.
This decision was beyond my control. I would have eagerly
reunited with my sisters.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, this is so interesting So we've had this news
for many months now that Practical Magic is coming back,
and it's really being spearheaded by the stars of the movie,
so Nicole Kidman and Sandra bull So if anyone who's
on a cross even though we've talked about this pod
so many times, I hope you've all gone and watched
it since I last had an emotional breakdown about it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, this you just told me that am hadn't seen
it and.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It and she still hasn't yet. That makes me why
she's off the print today.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It just makes me really angry.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's like how angry you got at me last week
for not knowing Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah, we're still on a fight about that, by
the way, But this film came out in nineteen ninety eight.
It is it has gone on to be like a
complete cult classic. Like I feel like a lot of
us have kind of built our lives around it, shaped
our lives around it. So my friends and I we
still quote the movie like it's become a huge thing.
So Sandra and Nicole, who played the sisters, have been
a driving force in getting it back. It's the same
director who directed Sandra Bullock in Bird Box and also
(05:50):
directed Nicole Kimmen in The Perfect Couple. So they're really
I feel like they're the driving force behind it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I mean that I just keep getting these flashbacks. It's
such a nostalgic movie for me, Like I remember going
and watching it with my mom and then all of
a sudden, I was a witch. We were talking about
this yea before we started recording, about how we would
like I would kill like flowers and go to the
bubbler in primary school and like make potions. But yeah,
this movie was just so like the One Blue Eye,
(06:16):
One Brown like creating the man and the man comes
and then the dead body in the background.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's like a such cold movie. So good.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And so when it was announced was coming back, it
was mostly just Sandra Bullock and Aicule Kimen attached, which
you know, they're the Owen sisters. That's the main thing.
But over the weekend they put out some new casting
news and so they said new additions to the cast
include Joey King, Lee Pace, Mazie Williams, Solly MacLeod. Also,
the biggest casting news was that Stockard Channing and Diane Weese,
(06:45):
who played their aunts in the movie. So if you're
not across the movie. It's like the Owen sisters are
raised by their aunts, because this is the whole thing
of like, you know, the men and their family are
curse to die. So it was such big news that
we've almost got that core force them back together. And
that was the interesting thing about Evan rachel Wood because
she plays in the movie Sandra Bullock's daughter Kylie, and
(07:05):
she's got quite a few kind of big scenes, and
the fact that she put out that statement saying I
approached them and offered my services, and she said, I
said I would come back in any capacity, a scene,
a line, anything, and I was told my services weren't needed.
And at the end where she's like, I would have
loved to rejoin my sisters, that's so pointed. And it
(07:26):
feels very pointed at Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman in
particular because they are the ones who are bringing the
movie back, Like it feels like the buck stops with them.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, it feels to me a very very strange response
to not include her, especially when she wanted to be involved.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, Evan rachel Wood is an excellent.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Actress and she's got such a witchy via.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't know if you watched West World, did you
watch that.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Her in Westworld? I also loved her in True Blood
where she plays the vampire queen. She's played so many
supernatural characters over the years, and she looks so much
like Sandra Bork and no Cold Kim And the whole
thing is that each group of sisters is a brunette
and a redhead, and she's got that red anyway. It's
just such a weird thing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, bizarre, bizarre. I don't know why they did this,
but redcasting Joe King. I know Joe King has got
like I just would much prefer Evan Rachel Wood in it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So would I. And I almost feel like this is
sometimes a bit of like friends hiring friends, and I
don't mean to start drama NEPO baby Yeah, by extension,
So we don't know who everyone's playing yet, but Joey
King's name is on the cast list. She acted with
Nicole Kidman in that movie with zac Efron. She plays
her daughter in that where Nicole Kimmen starts dating her
(08:36):
daughter's boss, which is zac Efron, and Joey King's in
that and they have a really close relationship. They've talked
about it here because they've been friends for a long time.
They're really close, especially after being in that movie together.
So is this the case of which I guess actors
and producers do. They bring in people they like to
work with. But is this the case of her bringing
Joey King in to be her daughter over Evan Rachel.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Would I don't know, but joe her daughter?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Sorry, it would be Sandra Bulog's daughter, because that's who
it is, unless Nicole Kimmen's character has a daughter at
this stage.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, I just I don't think she's It's interesting to
say that she's recassed because joe King is quite a
bit young that Evan Rachel would.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, age she could, frankly, but.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
If they're saying, like maybe ten years has passed since
the original movie, she would only be like in her
mid twenties.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, no, but Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman have not
some timing is off here.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, we don't in the timeline. It could be ten
to twenty years, but I think you can slaught an
actress of that age and you can slaughter into kind
of be anything. She might not be their daughter, we
don't know, but that's just what I'm thinking. So It's
kind of interesting that this movie that is shaped to
be about like sisterhood and women coming together has now
kind of been marred by this. Yeah, I'm an extent
for the fans.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I've got to say, I'm really disappointed, and it makes
me very concerned for the sequel.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Still think the sequel will be great, but yeah, it
has left a bit of sour taste in fans mouths.
I also, I wonder what Nicole and Sandra will say
about it. I don't think they'll they'll have to address
it until they're doing press for the movie, which is
so far away. So maybe they're hoping people will have
forgotten by them they well, I won't have forgotten.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I also feel like Sandra Bullok is like the nicest
woman in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh, I'm sure neither of them were like, We're going
to take down Evan rachel Wood. I'm thinking that her
reps contacted their reps and they were like, no, we've
already cast the movie so and we didn't even factor
you into it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That's so sad.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Maybe this will be like when oh my god, I'm
gonna tell me Gilmore girls again. Maybe this will be
like when just so you just take a moment when
Melissa McCarthy heard that they were redoing Gilmore Girls and
she was asked about in the press and she was like,
I didn't know anything about it, No one asked me
to come back, And then they factored her in with
like a little cameo. Maybe that'll happen this time.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Maybe maybe we could be so lucky.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay, believers, Justin is back with his seventh studio album.
He released Swag on the eleventh of July, and everyone
is very excited about it. But there is a little
bit of stuff going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
There always is with these two, but especially in the
last week.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yes, So the last week there's been a lot going on,
particularly Scooter Braun. Now Scooter Braun has come out because
they've had all that financial difficulty.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Should I go through a bit of a timeline.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Please do?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Should I go through a little bit of history, because
I feel like so much has happened and then a
lot has kind of resolved itself in the last week
that I feel like we need to kind.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Of go back.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, so we're going to go back to twenty twenty
two when it was the Justice World Tour.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
This is when Justin runs into a bit of financial.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Trouble, right, So he gets an advance from Scooter Braun
forty million dollar advance to promote this. Then midway through
the tour he had to cancel it because of health reasons,
and because of that, he had a contractual obligation to
repay twenty six million dollars of that advance, which is
(11:44):
a lot of money. Now, he had a lot of
debt with Scooteron and Scooter Boughn basically loaned him all
of his money for this tour.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yes, he expected this repayment. That didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So in December of twenty twenty two, he decided to
sell his catalog basically to fund this big debt.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That he had.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So he's also for two hundred million dollars to avoid bankruptcy.
That sort of starts this whole rumor that he's going
through a lot of financial struggles. That all starts happening.
He's still got all these legal problems. Then earlier this year,
Hailey Bieber sells Road for a billion dollars, well just
under a billion, So great, Justin Bieber's rich again. He
(12:22):
can pay back Scooter Braun, which is effectively what he did.
Hailey sold Road, then he pays back Scooter Braun like
two months later.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean at the time we tie those things together.
And even though like a lot of people weren't saying
it out loud, it fell like two things that she
had this great business opportunity and it was also very
telling that her husband was in a huge amount of
debt and she is the breadwinner of that family at
the moment for sure, And so it did feel like
some of her like business pressure on herself was to
(12:50):
kind of fix his money problems, which I guess ultimately
she did if he's paid back Scooter Braun.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, so basically July eleven, he settled his debt with
Scooter Braun. So he paid the twenty six million dollars
for the tour advance and five point five million in
unpaid commissions totally in thirty one point five million million dollars,
which is only a real drop in that almost billion
dollars that Hailey made.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, although I would say that she has to put
quite a.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Lot to taxes and stuff like, it's not like she's
getting that tax free.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Actually, well, I mean maybe people have tricks. There's one
thing I have with all the rich people. I know
they have tricks. Not today they've got.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They have tricks and offshore bank accounts Switzerland. Yeah, all
that sort of stuff. So I'm sure she's not paying
that much tax on it. Anyway, that was a really
interesting thing. So Scooter Braun then releases a statement about
Justin's new album, which he released. Kind of surprised everyone
with this release. We kind of knew he was working
on new music, but there was no announcement, there was
(13:50):
no suggestion.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It just kind of got dropped.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Very Beyonce of him just to drop an album.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I was literally going to say the same thing, very
Beyonce of him to just drop an album.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Now I did listen to it. It's actually quite good.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I'm the wrong person to ask. I know that people
love his music very much. I would never offend the believers,
especially because, yeah, mostly his fans for the most part,
were young women, and I feel like their music tape
taste gets dismissed a lot, so I'm all in with
them loving him. I have so many friends that are
obsessed with him even now. It's just not my type
of music, so it's hard for me to gauge how
(14:27):
this stacks up against some of his past hits. But
all the responses I saw to what people were reacting
online over the weekend when everyone was listening to it.
So many of his fans were like quite emotional over
his music coming back, and they were like, once a believer,
always a believer. So many people were being like I
loved his music in high school and now I'm a
girl and a like adult ass woman, like in my
car singing on to his new album. Something's ever changed? Like,
(14:48):
I feel like it was a very positive response.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, look, it has been quite positive.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I also think it's really interesting because it's been quite
a while since he released an album, and our believers
have actually grown up. You know, they're not twelve years old.
They're not fourteen years old screaming trying to grab his hand.
I'm looking at you, Minitia, our producer who grabbed his
hand at a concert one time, just very excited about it.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So they've grown up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You know, they're in their late twenties now early thirties,
and it's interesting to see how his music has shifted now.
Scooter Braun did actually release a statement saying that this
album is quote the most authentically Justin Bieber album to date,
so he seems to be still quite a positive relationship
with him, even though he's not involved with this project
(15:33):
at all. But I think that's probably just a surface
level there.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, that's my gut. Well.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think Scooter Braun had been so sort of wrapped
up in Justin Bieber's career for such a long time,
and he also has tried not to say too many
negative things about him in the press. I think he's
very aware of like angering fans the same way he
feels very burnt by like Taylor Swiss fans, and he's
been trying to dig himself out of that hole for
a really long time. So yes, he called Swag a
beautiful raw and truly him. But then Hailey Bieber jumped
(16:01):
into the free our favorite always online girl, so aware
of what the people are saying. Almost like the moment
after Scooter Braun put up that praise of Justin Bieber,
Haley Bieber put up this photo of herself on her
Instagram where she was like doing like a bit of
a side eye, and then she added the Mariah Carey
song Obsessed, And so a lot of people thought Hailey
Bieber was giving side eye to Scooter Braun so obsessing
(16:26):
me exactly that and saying that he was overly obsessed
with her husband and his new release. So that just
fired the fans up against Scooter Braun anyway. But Hailey's
Instagram has been also the kind of big talking point
over the last couple of days, almost as much as
Justin Bieber's album release, Like, I feel like I saw
more headlines about her response to it than I saw
(16:47):
about his actual music, because again, people are looking for
that drama because Hailey put up a photo of the
cover art for his album, which is really lovely. It's
all these beautiful black and white photos of the couple
and their ten month old son, Jack Blues, and it's
this really sweet family portrait, and it's kind of interesting
that tack she decided to take with it, because obviously
(17:08):
Justin has put this cover art on because a lot
of criticism of him has been that he treats his
wife really badly, that he's not a present father for
his son, that their relationship is really bad behind the scenes.
So he's using this album art obviously to kind of
be like, look at us, this beautiful family, and Hayley's
reposted it, but the line she chose to put under
(17:29):
it was, is it finally clocking to you fucking losers?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Gagged? Yeah, wow, Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's a strong choice. This is a thing about this
and trying to like sort of think about process it
over the weekend and be like, I know a lot
of people are just like loving her drama, and a
lot of people were also kind of thinking it was
so embarrassing, And I think I kind of sit somewhere
in the middle because part of me always thinks about
just how tormented that young woman is over this fandom.
Like you say, her fandom are like Justin Bieber's fandom
(17:57):
are adult women now, and that's factually true, but they
don't act like it a lot of the time. These
adult women are the ones, like sixteen year olds aren't
being like, oh my god, Selena and Justin Bieber, like
they don't care about that. That's like their grandparents love
story to them, you know what I mean. The people
who were in the fray of that are now in
their thirties, and it feels like they're the ones who
are typing all these hate comments to Halee Biber. They're
(18:19):
the ones waiting outside the met Gala and yelling Selena
when they walk through, like it's adult women doing it.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Do you know what's crazy? Though, she's had enough.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I always think of it for it. I always think
of that TikTok she put up ages ago now where
she was like, leave me alone. I don't do anything,
I don't say anything, just leave me alone. And that
went crazy viral, and it's interesting that she could have
just put that up to be this beautiful thing. So
she's like, it's a fucking clocking to you losers yet,
which is maybe a bit of a throwback to that
kind of infamous statement that Justin Bieber yelled at paparazzi
(18:50):
not that long ago, where he was like, get away
from me. Is it clocking to you what you're doing?
So some people think it's a play on that, but
I just think it's it's her trying to be like, ha,
look at this, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I think, look, I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think if I was in that situation, not that
I ever would be, but it's a lot of pressure, like, yes,
they're wealthy, Yes, that's kind of what they signed up for.
That's fame, the price of fame, all of that stuff.
I understand.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
That.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But at the end of the day, I can understand
what you have a child.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You're in a relationship. Can you imagine every single day
seeing multiple articles saying you're going to split up, your
husband's a drug addict, he's falling asleep, he's a horrible father,
he's going to rehab, he's got no money, he's broke everything.
You're the sugar, Like, can you imagine day I was
day after day I've day hearing that same thing.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You'd get fed up too.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh one hundred percent, and that Haley Babe's only twenty
eight years old, but I feel the exhaustion of life
from her coming through the screen. But what I kind
of find more interesting is like, and what's more indicative of,
like what their life is like behind the scenes is
not how they've dealt with their trauma recently, not how
they've reacted to accusations from people that Justin's work with,
(20:00):
that he's in this downward spiral, accusations around their money situation,
accusations around Selena Gomez. Like Still, what I think is
more telling is how they react publicly to their successes.
And I think it shows how kind of internal they
are behind the scenes because just think when Hailey Bieber
got her Vogue cover and what a huge win that is,
Like it's kind of the ultimate prestige. It's the ultimate
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like nod from the industry that you're a tastemaker. And
instead of that being this big celebration, everyone was really
focused on Justin Bieber saying that he never thought his
wife would get a Vogue cover, and that blew up
and it became this really sad thing. And it's almost
like history repeated itself this weekend when Justin Bieber's very
long awaited next album came out, and that was this
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huge thing and everyone should have been celebrating that. Instead
everyone's just talking about Hailey Bieber's posts saying is it
clocking to you fucking losers? And then once again, their
success becomes drama, becomes sad.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's like every single time something positive happens to them,
it's marred by.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
One of the nativity.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
But it's one of them, yes, absolutely, And I think
it's just because I feel like they are so in
their heads about the negativity and what people in the
industry are saying, what their fans are saying, that even
when have good news, they can't share it without her
kind of like, look at us, we're doing great, or
look at us like we don't believe all the hatred.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You're right, it's very great. Take Laura Brodney, that's a
fantastic I like that one a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I just I would love for this couple who
I should be invested in, because I'm not like obsessed
with Haley Baber's like start, even though I think she's
like gorgeous and stuff, I'm not like obsessive in her camp.
I don't listen to Justin Bieber music. But because they're
like in the spotlight so much, and because they've talked
so much about the effect on them, I'm weirdly rooting
for them, being like, yeah, I'd love people to leave
them alone, but they're perpetuating the cycle.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They need to get out of their own way. Yeah,
maybe that's it.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
My only thought to them is like, guys, next time
you have good news, just post it and be like,
look at this fun thing, and then put your phone down.
That's all I would say at them, and let the
new cycle pick up something good about you for once.
I feel like they need a pr advisor, and I'm
not saying it has to be me. But maybe it
should be. But someone, Yeah, I'll add that to my
list of things I'm going to do this year.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I love that take so much.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So Taylor Loren's very well known writing in the industry.
She's having a slightly bumpy weekend because and I realize
what I'm about to say is so online. But just
stay with me for a second. We'll explain to you
what's happening here. So Bow and Yang and Matt Rodgers
co hosts a very funny podcast, if anyone hasn't listened
to it, called Lost Culturistas, and they have in the
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last couple of days unveiled the nominations for their annual
cultural awards, Lost Culture East is Cultural Awards. Thank you
for jumping in there, you Spanish Elbay, who everyone knows
my pronunciation is just bad in general. So one of
the awards that they've got in there is that Amelia
de Moldenburg, the founder and host of the huge viral
since YouTube interview show Chicken Shop Date, is nominated for
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the Pop Crave Award for Excellence in Journalism. So before
we delve into what that means, we should look at
this tweet from Taylor that has now gone a bit viral,
and she said, I love de Moldenburg and I'm extremely
anti gatekeeping when it comes to journalism. But this is
straight up not journalism, which has got a whole backlash.
And it's not in defense of to Moldenburg. It's people saying,
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does this cultural journalist not understand that these cultural awards
are meant to be a joke? And the pop Crave
Award for Excellence and Journalism is in itself a joke.
If you don't know what pop Crave is, how do
I even explain pop Crave? Pop Crave is like my
whole life is realarned at this moment. I can't explain it.
It's an online entertainment pop culture platform. It kind of
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like really rose to huge prominence many years ago. But
it's also really well known for not having like faces
of journalists attached to it, and also for just coming
out and just saying.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Wild shit, daily, mad stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah exactly, but almost worse than that, because it has
sometimes like a bit of a fantasy element to it
in terms of it would just be like this happened,
Everyone's like, no it didn't. In pop Crave will be like,
yeah it did, and we don't care to fact check.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
My favorite Pop Crave memory is when they called the
election the first time Donald Trump was made president and
everyone was like worried it was gonna happen. They're like,
we're just reporting as facts. And then that took off
that he had won the election before he officially had,
and people were trying to trace it back, and then
someone's like, who actually said this, and someone's like it
was pop Crave, Like they called the election and the
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whole world reportered of it. They had very immense power,
but they're not a proper news outlet, which is the
whole point of Amelia Bean Yeah and nominated in that section.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
The funny thing is this poor girl has kind of
realized her mistake then gone back and gone, I made
a booboo.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Mictually, it's almost axcletely what she says. She's like, I
really screwed up here.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I know. And then now people are saying that they
should enter like an award in her name for like
jumping to the wrong conclusion. So even though this is
blown up to be kind of a huge online storm,
like at the time of recording, I don't think Amelia
has responded, but like some people have jumped into the frame.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, Bowen did actually respond, So Taylor on x someone
imagine being upset about a lost culturalist his cultural award.
Then she responds, it happened to me. I did a
bad tweet and then right it was all worth it,
and she puts up a screenshot from Bowen Yang saying, Diva,
I love you. You're of course nominated next year.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
That's so nice. I freaking love bow and Yang only because, like,
I know, we're making light of it, but I can't
stress enough, guys, how much this woman was getting absolutely
roasted and pulled over the coals by so many people
because she just kind of like tapped the wrong corner
of the internet and they so fired up about it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And the thing is because Chicken Shop Date is that
it's so satirical, it's so dry. It is like that
is her vibe, Like she knows she's not like a
quote unquote real journalist. She's having fun. She plays it
by comedy. It's like between two ferns, but like a
little bit more serious.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I'm sure you guys have all seen it, but I
feel like she just kind of had a brain fart.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
This is why I think this is interesting. I think
that this was just the straw that broke the camels
back to a bigger problem that so many entertainment journalists
are having. And she saw that and it just kind
of and again I would almost do the same thing
as well. This is why I like, when I saw this,
I was so on her side because I was like,
I just can see exactly how this happened. That she
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saw that, and it just made all this resentment that
she's been feeling about how her industry is working at
the moment bubble up. And she lashed out the wrong
thing to make a point that she still stands by
because she was saying that Amelia de Mornberg is not
a journalist because she's an online personality. And yes, this
is a joke award, but the thing is like a
million De Mornenburg is still held up as an entertainment
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journalist in a proper sense, in a lot of respect
in terms of that she is often put into that category.
She gets access to talent for interview opportunities over like
more traditional journalists. She gets a spot on the red
carpets like big award shows including the Oscars, to interview
the talent. So even though she calls herself not a
proper journalist, she's playing in the journalism.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Space well, and she's getting I think the biggest thing
there is she's getting access and it's in the sort
of the same vein as like an Alex Cooper call
It Daddy. So when Caller Daddy started, she wasn't interviewing celebrities.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That was never her show.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Her show developed into kind of like a sit down
interview with celebrities. And a lot of the criticism with
Alex Cooper, I actually think she's doing an okay job.
You can tell she's quite green, but I do think
she's actually doing I don't think she's doing terribly honest,
but a lot of the criticism around hers is that
she doesn't know how to interview. So and I think
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you and I can have some criticisms about it, but
I think what's happened is that the space of entertainment
journalism has been taken over a lot by like influences
and personalities, and what happens is, particularly on red carpets,
I say this more most on red carpets, you see
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that inexperience come through and it becomes very uncomfortable, like
that moment where you know, the Megan thee.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Stallion with Hannah Berner. Yeah, so she.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
When she made that kind of passive aggressive comment.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That might tell aggression to Megan the Stallion.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
She said her music makes me want to fight and
me and was like, that's not the big takeaway, and
then there was this whole uproar that Hannah Berner had
done a microaggression against her. Hannah Burner then apologized and
it kind of all went away. But it was just
one of those things where it was like just another
kind of case of this like influencer verse reporter, first
comedian kind of thing happening.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And it's because it shows their inexperience when they're on
a carpet like this.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I don't want to get too serious about this, but
I understand that, you know, she Taylor just kind of
probably a bit of a knee jerk reaction.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It was a bit of like she said, what everyone
in the entertainment industry is thinking, is what I'm going
to go out on the leman say. She just said
it in the wrong place. But I think her point
is like quite a valid one, and that's the interesting thing.
I think that's what a lot of the noise missed.
One thing is like Amelia I don't think of The
thing is she doesn't call herself a journalist, but she
is more of an online personality. And I think the
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thing that she doesn't get enough kudos for is like
how smart she is of building that brand, and like,
she's obviously incredible in front of the camera, but it's
more so that she's been plugging away at Chicken Shop
Date for over ten years. She does all the planning,
she does all the editing. The fact that she records
for over an hour and then releases a ten minute
video is a level of creative control that I would
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only aspire to have because I'd be like, we need
the full hour. But she's so clever at knowing how
it works. And it's interesting during that line to Alex Cooper,
because I think she gets a lot of kudos for
how incredible and smart and business minded she is, whereas
I think the more you delve into her background, her
personality on screen overrules that, especially recently with all the
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call her daddy stuff that's come out in terms of
like she did a long form interview the other day
with her childhood best friend who has only been confirmed
that after many years as the producer of her show,
she did the call her Alex documentary, and I guess
I kind of knew this in my head, but like
the team of people, the fact that she has a
whole team of producers and researchers who prep her interviews
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for her, I feel needs to be looked at a
little bit here.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Look, I'm not saying she's amazed.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I'm not saying that I think she's doing well, considering
she is not trained in that area.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Do you know what I mean? Like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I don't mean this to sound bad, but when I
heard how many people she was writing her questions for her,
because up until then, I'm okay, I didn't realize that, yes,
she's not Yeah, this is what I thought too. Up
until then, I don't know why, but she had put
herself out there as this, like, you know, the mastermind
behind her business. And I quite believe that was true
because I know that when she started to call her daddy,
she was doing all the editing. So I guess I
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was thinking, like, oh, considering the work she has to
do behind the scenes and the fact that she's here,
that's quite impressive. And now when I found out recently
how many people she has researching, writing the questions, doing
all that stuff, And maybe that's jealousy from me being
like I wish I had someone to do that for
my interviews instead of me like freaking out at nighttime
by myself. But then when I realized the big team
she had behind her, I was like, Oh, you're here,
(30:55):
But then maybe with that many people behind you, you should
be up here, do you know what I mean? Like,
it's one of those things. And she's not a one
woman band. She's part of an empire that she runs.
I'm not saying that to be critical of her. I
do think in many cases she is a good interview
and she's successful, and I'm like, I listened to a podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I actually quite enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's just this interesting kind of line that now we're
going through and we're being like, who's a journalist and
who's not, who's doing their own work and who's not.
It's hard to because you don't want to. You don't
want to get into this thing where you're sort of
having to, like everyone's got to pass some certain test.
But as the muddy of the waters get yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I think that's really interesting. When Taylor was like, I
don't want to gatekeep journalism, I think that's that's a
really big part of it. We can start having like
a very in depth conversation about journalism and integrity and
like who deserve We didn't do that for hours, but
I don't think anyone else wants to listen to that podcast.
So what I will do before we finish, because I
feel like we've got quite deep, I do want to
like lighten this back up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Please do?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Can I give you some more of the categories?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes? Please do?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Okay, just to show you how much Taylor should have
probably realized that this was a complete joke. So these
awards are actually airing on August the fifth. I think
it's going on Peacock. I don't know where that will
be in Australia. I'm sure because we will get that.
We will definitely be watching it. But okay, one of
my favorite categories is kindest Greeting and the number.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Days are stop ah, oh my god, oh you're here.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Then I won't leave number three. You just got off
a point. I refuse to believe that because you look
so amazing. Next one Okay, shirt the last one we've
met several times, and I remember love Lover.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's got great category, one of my favorites. Honestly, this
one's pretty good. Most iconic building.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Or structure so important.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's just the best lunch, worst sticky feeling, jolly redch
on hand to hate that so funny Hypochondriac Award for illness.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
We think we have this time.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I really relate to that one.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
This is so good for you. One norovirus, two fungal infection,
staff infection. Three depression that apparently requires ketemy. The way
she's I think I'm hilarious. Okay, strap again. Strap is
like like throat infection.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah, basically me for the last this is not
a sickness, but my foot is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I'm sorry. I could read these all day. There there's
more entertaining ones in there as well.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
There are, but I have been giggling to myself for
the last hour reading these nominations.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We're gonna put them in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We'll put all the nominates the show so you guys
can go have a look and giggle at your heart's content.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
But it's a lot of fun. So poor Taylor has
made a.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Bit of a boo boo's but we can forgive her
at least.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
This is the kind of internet storm that passes over
so quickly that these people won't be talking about this tomorrow,
but she'll remember and she'll wake up at night time
to think about this.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Bowen retweeted, Bowen like reached out to her. I'd be
happy to cop all that flat. Don't want Bowen yang to.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
He's the only one who really could have come in
and smooth over once. He said that it's like it's
like a tidal way was coming for her and he
stood in front of it, and then the wave just
went down again. Yeah, exactly. Bless that man and his
internet power. Well, thank you so much for listening to
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Speaker 2 (34:34):
Bye bye bye Lan
So much.
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Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassania Lakitch.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, we have some
more Hailey Baber and Justin Bieber drama to bring you.
I know everyone's talking about Scooter Braun, but there's actually
something that was all two things actually that Roren Hailey
Baber's insta story that are much more exclusive than that
that we need to talk about. Plus our favorite online gal,
Amelia de Moldenburg, the Chicken Shop Date Lady, is caught
(00:53):
up in a drama with one of our other favorite
online performers, Bow and Yang.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yes it's very controversial.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yes, yes, the drama's not between them, but we'll get
to it. We'll get to this is my favorite story
from the weekend. But first we have some Hollywood news.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
We have some casting announcements. There's two very very anticipation
did sequels coming up now The Devil Wears prior to
casting update, so we're obviously all very excited about this,
but I'll give you some of the casting updates that
we've got as of today, Lucy Lou is joining the cast.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
That is my favorite bit of the casting news from
this whole thing, because obviously Lucy Lou Charlie's Angels, we
know she's been in so many amazing movies and TV shows.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, the speculation is she's going to be a rival editor.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So all I can think about is, you know they're
scene in Charlie's Angels where she's placed the Dominatrix.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes, yes, yes, and she's walking down it's.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh, Bara Kuda, do you know that? That's what I'm
picturing in my head.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's that. And also her very short lived TV series
Kashmir Mafia, where she plays a magazine editor. There only
twenty years old now, but it was meant to be
the replacement from Sex and the City and it was
about four best friends living New York with all of
these glamorous jobs and their relationships. And it only kind
of went for like, I think one season, maybe one
and a half. It ended because of the writers' strike
(02:10):
and they just never brought it back. But she was
so good in that role, so the fact that she
could come back playing a magazine editor. I'm like Justice
for Cashman Mafia. Okay, I never saw that one. I
feel like you'd like it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I think I would. I would.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I love Lucy Loo. Justin throu is also on board.
We don't know what his role is going to be.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Just he just shows up and everything right he does.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I feel like he was in Charlie's Angels Tea.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
He was in charlie Angels as well.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, he was the Irish gang guy. Anyway. I thought
he was really hot back then.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, and he's still hot now. I just feel like
whenever I'm watching something like Running Point recently the Kate
Hudson Show, and it's like, is up dustin throw here?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It is everything.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Bj Novak, we love him from the office. We don't
know what he's playing. Pauline Shallow may no relation to Timothy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Your sister is Yeah, so she's in Sex Gives of College.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I never watched I haven't watched that show.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yees, so she's yeah, she's his sister.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I feel like I should know that.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Simone Ashley from Bridget also been cast, and Kenneth Bruno,
who is gonna be playing Miranda Priestley's husband.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm so excited by that. That's genius casting. And also,
I mean, I'm sure the Devil West Pride of team
know what they're doing, but I've been quite stressed about
their timeline. So I'm glad they're getting a wigger on
because this movie is coming out next year and quite soon,
because I get the movie release schedules of like what's
coming out for the next year, and so the official
release date for Devil Roes Prior came out in one
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of the latest reports, and it's not that far away
from a movie that, as far as I know, has
not been shot yet.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I feel like though with these kind of it's not
like it's gonna have a ton of special effects. They're
not gonna have to do a little post production on it.
They can do like a six weeks shooting schedule and
then turn it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Like I know how to make a movie. Well, I know.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That's the thing is, like you hear these movies being
like still edited the day before, even like with a
recent mission.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Impossible.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Tom's like Tom Cruise at the premiere was like, We've
just finished editing this movie like yesterday, So none of
us have seen it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But that's because of all the effects you're gonna have
practical that stunt work, you know, CGI. A movie like
Devil Wears prior to two is not going to have
like a ton of CGI and practically no I know, but.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Even just the editing process, like that's a make or
break for a movie. Yeah, Like anyway, So I'm just
I'm stressed about their workload and timeline. I'd love them
to get it together. I just I think so. I
think Devil's Pride team, I think we're playing out a
bit fast and loose, is all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The other sequel that I'm super excited about is Practical
Magic too. With this has been in the works for
a while. But we do have a bit of a
casting update. Evan rachel Wood is not going to be
returning in her role. She basically led out a statement
saying that she actually wasn't approached that she wanted to return,
and she was disappointed that she didn't get to return
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in the role. She says, I regret disappointing the fans.
This decision was beyond my control. I would have eagerly
reunited with my sisters.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, this is so interesting So we've had this news
for many months now that Practical Magic is coming back,
and it's really being spearheaded by the stars of the movie,
so Nicole Kidman and Sandra bull So if anyone who's
on a cross even though we've talked about this pod
so many times, I hope you've all gone and watched
it since I last had an emotional breakdown about it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, this you just told me that am hadn't seen
it and.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It and she still hasn't yet. That makes me why
she's off the print today.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It just makes me really angry.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's like how angry you got at me last week
for not knowing Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah, we're still on a fight about that, by
the way, But this film came out in nineteen ninety eight.
It is it has gone on to be like a
complete cult classic. Like I feel like a lot of
us have kind of built our lives around it, shaped
our lives around it. So my friends and I we
still quote the movie like it's become a huge thing.
So Sandra and Nicole, who played the sisters, have been
a driving force in getting it back. It's the same
director who directed Sandra Bullock in Bird Box and also
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directed Nicole Kimmen in The Perfect Couple. So they're really
I feel like they're the driving force behind it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I mean that I just keep getting these flashbacks. It's
such a nostalgic movie for me, Like I remember going
and watching it with my mom and then all of
a sudden, I was a witch. We were talking about
this yea before we started recording, about how we would
like I would kill like flowers and go to the
bubbler in primary school and like make potions. But yeah,
this movie was just so like the One Blue Eye,
(06:16):
One Brown like creating the man and the man comes
and then the dead body in the background.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's like a such cold movie. So good.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And so when it was announced was coming back, it
was mostly just Sandra Bullock and Aicule Kimen attached, which
you know, they're the Owen sisters. That's the main thing.
But over the weekend they put out some new casting
news and so they said new additions to the cast
include Joey King, Lee Pace, Mazie Williams, Solly MacLeod. Also,
the biggest casting news was that Stockard Channing and Diane Weese,
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who played their aunts in the movie. So if you're
not across the movie. It's like the Owen sisters are
raised by their aunts, because this is the whole thing
of like, you know, the men and their family are
curse to die. So it was such big news that
we've almost got that core force them back together. And
that was the interesting thing about Evan rachel Wood because
she plays in the movie Sandra Bullock's daughter Kylie, and
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she's got quite a few kind of big scenes, and
the fact that she put out that statement saying I
approached them and offered my services, and she said, I
said I would come back in any capacity, a scene,
a line, anything, and I was told my services weren't needed.
And at the end where she's like, I would have
loved to rejoin my sisters, that's so pointed. And it
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feels very pointed at Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman in
particular because they are the ones who are bringing the
movie back, Like it feels like the buck stops with them.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, it feels to me a very very strange response
to not include her, especially when she wanted to be involved.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, Evan rachel Wood is an excellent.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Actress and she's got such a witchy via.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't know if you watched West World, did you
watch that.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Her in Westworld? I also loved her in True Blood
where she plays the vampire queen. She's played so many
supernatural characters over the years, and she looks so much
like Sandra Bork and no Cold Kim And the whole
thing is that each group of sisters is a brunette
and a redhead, and she's got that red anyway. It's
just such a weird thing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, bizarre, bizarre. I don't know why they did this,
but redcasting Joe King. I know Joe King has got
like I just would much prefer Evan Rachel Wood in it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So would I. And I almost feel like this is
sometimes a bit of like friends hiring friends, and I
don't mean to start drama NEPO baby Yeah, by extension,
So we don't know who everyone's playing yet, but Joey
King's name is on the cast list. She acted with
Nicole Kidman in that movie with zac Efron. She plays
her daughter in that where Nicole Kimmen starts dating her
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daughter's boss, which is zac Efron, and Joey King's in
that and they have a really close relationship. They've talked
about it here because they've been friends for a long time.
They're really close, especially after being in that movie together.
So is this the case of which I guess actors
and producers do. They bring in people they like to
work with. But is this the case of her bringing
Joey King in to be her daughter over Evan Rachel.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Would I don't know, but joe her daughter?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Sorry, it would be Sandra Bulog's daughter, because that's who
it is, unless Nicole Kimmen's character has a daughter at
this stage.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, I just I don't think she's It's interesting to
say that she's recassed because joe King is quite a
bit young that Evan Rachel would.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, age she could, frankly, but.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
If they're saying, like maybe ten years has passed since
the original movie, she would only be like in her
mid twenties.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, no, but Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman have not
some timing is off here.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, we don't in the timeline. It could be ten
to twenty years, but I think you can slaught an
actress of that age and you can slaughter into kind
of be anything. She might not be their daughter, we
don't know, but that's just what I'm thinking. So It's
kind of interesting that this movie that is shaped to
be about like sisterhood and women coming together has now
kind of been marred by this. Yeah, I'm an extent
for the fans.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I've got to say, I'm really disappointed, and it makes
me very concerned for the sequel.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Still think the sequel will be great, but yeah, it
has left a bit of sour taste in fans mouths.
I also, I wonder what Nicole and Sandra will say
about it. I don't think they'll they'll have to address
it until they're doing press for the movie, which is
so far away. So maybe they're hoping people will have
forgotten by them they well, I won't have forgotten.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I also feel like Sandra Bullok is like the nicest
woman in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh, I'm sure neither of them were like, We're going
to take down Evan rachel Wood. I'm thinking that her
reps contacted their reps and they were like, no, we've
already cast the movie so and we didn't even factor
you into it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That's so sad.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Maybe this will be like when oh my god, I'm
gonna tell me Gilmore girls again. Maybe this will be
like when just so you just take a moment when
Melissa McCarthy heard that they were redoing Gilmore Girls and
she was asked about in the press and she was like,
I didn't know anything about it, No one asked me
to come back, And then they factored her in with
like a little cameo. Maybe that'll happen this time.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Maybe maybe we could be so lucky.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay, believers, Justin is back with his seventh studio album.
He released Swag on the eleventh of July, and everyone
is very excited about it. But there is a little
bit of stuff going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
There always is with these two, but especially in the
last week.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yes, So the last week there's been a lot going on,
particularly Scooter Braun. Now Scooter Braun has come out because
they've had all that financial difficulty.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Should I go through a bit of a timeline.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Please do?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Should I go through a little bit of history, because
I feel like so much has happened and then a
lot has kind of resolved itself in the last week
that I feel like we need to kind.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Of go back.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, so we're going to go back to twenty twenty
two when it was the Justice World Tour.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
This is when Justin runs into a bit of financial.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Trouble, right, So he gets an advance from Scooter Braun
forty million dollar advance to promote this. Then midway through
the tour he had to cancel it because of health reasons,
and because of that, he had a contractual obligation to
repay twenty six million dollars of that advance, which is
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a lot of money. Now, he had a lot of
debt with Scooteron and Scooter Boughn basically loaned him all
of his money for this tour.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yes, he expected this repayment. That didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So in December of twenty twenty two, he decided to
sell his catalog basically to fund this big debt.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That he had.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So he's also for two hundred million dollars to avoid bankruptcy.
That sort of starts this whole rumor that he's going
through a lot of financial struggles. That all starts happening.
He's still got all these legal problems. Then earlier this year,
Hailey Bieber sells Road for a billion dollars, well just
under a billion, So great, Justin Bieber's rich again. He
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can pay back Scooter Braun, which is effectively what he did.
Hailey sold Road, then he pays back Scooter Braun like
two months later.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean at the time we tie those things together.
And even though like a lot of people weren't saying
it out loud, it fell like two things that she
had this great business opportunity and it was also very
telling that her husband was in a huge amount of
debt and she is the breadwinner of that family at
the moment for sure, And so it did feel like
some of her like business pressure on herself was to
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kind of fix his money problems, which I guess ultimately
she did if he's paid back Scooter Braun.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, so basically July eleven, he settled his debt with
Scooter Braun. So he paid the twenty six million dollars
for the tour advance and five point five million in
unpaid commissions totally in thirty one point five million million dollars,
which is only a real drop in that almost billion
dollars that Hailey made.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, although I would say that she has to put
quite a.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Lot to taxes and stuff like, it's not like she's
getting that tax free.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Actually, well, I mean maybe people have tricks. There's one
thing I have with all the rich people. I know
they have tricks. Not today they've got.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They have tricks and offshore bank accounts Switzerland. Yeah, all
that sort of stuff. So I'm sure she's not paying
that much tax on it. Anyway, that was a really
interesting thing. So Scooter Braun then releases a statement about
Justin's new album, which he released. Kind of surprised everyone
with this release. We kind of knew he was working
on new music, but there was no announcement, there was
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no suggestion.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It just kind of got dropped.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Very Beyonce of him just to drop an album.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I was literally going to say the same thing, very
Beyonce of him to just drop an album.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Now I did listen to it. It's actually quite good.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I'm the wrong person to ask. I know that people
love his music very much. I would never offend the believers,
especially because, yeah, mostly his fans for the most part,
were young women, and I feel like their music tape
taste gets dismissed a lot, so I'm all in with
them loving him. I have so many friends that are
obsessed with him even now. It's just not my type
of music, so it's hard for me to gauge how
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this stacks up against some of his past hits. But
all the responses I saw to what people were reacting
online over the weekend when everyone was listening to it.
So many of his fans were like quite emotional over
his music coming back, and they were like, once a believer,
always a believer. So many people were being like I
loved his music in high school and now I'm a
girl and a like adult ass woman, like in my
car singing on to his new album. Something's ever changed? Like,
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I feel like it was a very positive response.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, look, it has been quite positive.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I also think it's really interesting because it's been quite
a while since he released an album, and our believers
have actually grown up. You know, they're not twelve years old.
They're not fourteen years old screaming trying to grab his hand.
I'm looking at you, Minitia, our producer who grabbed his
hand at a concert one time, just very excited about it.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So they've grown up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You know, they're in their late twenties now early thirties,
and it's interesting to see how his music has shifted now.
Scooter Braun did actually release a statement saying that this
album is quote the most authentically Justin Bieber album to date,
so he seems to be still quite a positive relationship
with him, even though he's not involved with this project
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at all. But I think that's probably just a surface
level there.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, that's my gut. Well.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think Scooter Braun had been so sort of wrapped
up in Justin Bieber's career for such a long time,
and he also has tried not to say too many
negative things about him in the press. I think he's
very aware of like angering fans the same way he
feels very burnt by like Taylor Swiss fans, and he's
been trying to dig himself out of that hole for
a really long time. So yes, he called Swag a
beautiful raw and truly him. But then Hailey Bieber jumped
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into the free our favorite always online girl, so aware
of what the people are saying. Almost like the moment
after Scooter Braun put up that praise of Justin Bieber,
Haley Bieber put up this photo of herself on her
Instagram where she was like doing like a bit of
a side eye, and then she added the Mariah Carey
song Obsessed, And so a lot of people thought Hailey
Bieber was giving side eye to Scooter Braun so obsessing
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me exactly that and saying that he was overly obsessed
with her husband and his new release. So that just
fired the fans up against Scooter Braun anyway. But Hailey's
Instagram has been also the kind of big talking point
over the last couple of days, almost as much as
Justin Bieber's album release, Like, I feel like I saw
more headlines about her response to it than I saw
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about his actual music, because again, people are looking for
that drama because Hailey put up a photo of the
cover art for his album, which is really lovely. It's
all these beautiful black and white photos of the couple
and their ten month old son, Jack Blues, and it's
this really sweet family portrait, and it's kind of interesting
that tack she decided to take with it, because obviously
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Justin has put this cover art on because a lot
of criticism of him has been that he treats his
wife really badly, that he's not a present father for
his son, that their relationship is really bad behind the scenes.
So he's using this album art obviously to kind of
be like, look at us, this beautiful family, and Hayley's
reposted it, but the line she chose to put under
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it was, is it finally clocking to you fucking losers?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Gagged? Yeah, wow, Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's a strong choice. This is a thing about this
and trying to like sort of think about process it
over the weekend and be like, I know a lot
of people are just like loving her drama, and a
lot of people were also kind of thinking it was
so embarrassing, And I think I kind of sit somewhere
in the middle because part of me always thinks about
just how tormented that young woman is over this fandom.
Like you say, her fandom are like Justin Bieber's fandom
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are adult women now, and that's factually true, but they
don't act like it a lot of the time. These
adult women are the ones, like sixteen year olds aren't
being like, oh my god, Selena and Justin Bieber, like
they don't care about that. That's like their grandparents love
story to them, you know what I mean. The people
who were in the fray of that are now in
their thirties, and it feels like they're the ones who
are typing all these hate comments to Halee Biber. They're
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the ones waiting outside the met Gala and yelling Selena
when they walk through, like it's adult women doing it.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Do you know what's crazy? Though, she's had enough.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I always think of it for it. I always think
of that TikTok she put up ages ago now where
she was like, leave me alone. I don't do anything,
I don't say anything, just leave me alone. And that
went crazy viral, and it's interesting that she could have
just put that up to be this beautiful thing. So
she's like, it's a fucking clocking to you losers yet,
which is maybe a bit of a throwback to that
kind of infamous statement that Justin Bieber yelled at paparazzi
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not that long ago, where he was like, get away
from me. Is it clocking to you what you're doing?
So some people think it's a play on that, but
I just think it's it's her trying to be like, ha,
look at this, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I think, look, I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think if I was in that situation, not that
I ever would be, but it's a lot of pressure, like, yes,
they're wealthy, Yes, that's kind of what they signed up for.
That's fame, the price of fame, all of that stuff.
I understand.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
That.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But at the end of the day, I can understand
what you have a child.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You're in a relationship. Can you imagine every single day
seeing multiple articles saying you're going to split up, your
husband's a drug addict, he's falling asleep, he's a horrible father,
he's going to rehab, he's got no money, he's broke everything.
You're the sugar, Like, can you imagine day I was
day after day I've day hearing that same thing.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You'd get fed up too.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh one hundred percent, and that Haley Babe's only twenty
eight years old, but I feel the exhaustion of life
from her coming through the screen. But what I kind
of find more interesting is like, and what's more indicative of,
like what their life is like behind the scenes is
not how they've dealt with their trauma recently, not how
they've reacted to accusations from people that Justin's work with,
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that he's in this downward spiral, accusations around their money situation,
accusations around Selena Gomez. Like Still, what I think is
more telling is how they react publicly to their successes.
And I think it shows how kind of internal they
are behind the scenes because just think when Hailey Bieber
got her Vogue cover and what a huge win that is,
Like it's kind of the ultimate prestige. It's the ultimate
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like nod from the industry that you're a tastemaker. And
instead of that being this big celebration, everyone was really
focused on Justin Bieber saying that he never thought his
wife would get a Vogue cover, and that blew up
and it became this really sad thing. And it's almost
like history repeated itself this weekend when Justin Bieber's very
long awaited next album came out, and that was this
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huge thing and everyone should have been celebrating that. Instead
everyone's just talking about Hailey Bieber's posts saying is it
clocking to you fucking losers? And then once again, their
success becomes drama, becomes sad.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's like every single time something positive happens to them,
it's marred by.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
One of the nativity.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
But it's one of them, yes, absolutely, And I think
it's just because I feel like they are so in
their heads about the negativity and what people in the
industry are saying, what their fans are saying, that even
when have good news, they can't share it without her
kind of like, look at us, we're doing great, or
look at us like we don't believe all the hatred.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You're right, it's very great. Take Laura Brodney, that's a
fantastic I like that one a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I just I would love for this couple who
I should be invested in, because I'm not like obsessed
with Haley Baber's like start, even though I think she's
like gorgeous and stuff, I'm not like obsessive in her camp.
I don't listen to Justin Bieber music. But because they're
like in the spotlight so much, and because they've talked
so much about the effect on them, I'm weirdly rooting
for them, being like, yeah, I'd love people to leave
them alone, but they're perpetuating the cycle.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They need to get out of their own way. Yeah,
maybe that's it.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
My only thought to them is like, guys, next time
you have good news, just post it and be like,
look at this fun thing, and then put your phone down.
That's all I would say at them, and let the
new cycle pick up something good about you for once.
I feel like they need a pr advisor, and I'm
not saying it has to be me. But maybe it
should be. But someone, Yeah, I'll add that to my
list of things I'm going to do this year.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I love that take so much.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So Taylor Loren's very well known writing in the industry.
She's having a slightly bumpy weekend because and I realize
what I'm about to say is so online. But just
stay with me for a second. We'll explain to you
what's happening here. So Bow and Yang and Matt Rodgers
co hosts a very funny podcast, if anyone hasn't listened
to it, called Lost Culturistas, and they have in the
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last couple of days unveiled the nominations for their annual
cultural awards, Lost Culture East is Cultural Awards. Thank you
for jumping in there, you Spanish Elbay, who everyone knows
my pronunciation is just bad in general. So one of
the awards that they've got in there is that Amelia
de Moldenburg, the founder and host of the huge viral
since YouTube interview show Chicken Shop Date, is nominated for
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the Pop Crave Award for Excellence in Journalism. So before
we delve into what that means, we should look at
this tweet from Taylor that has now gone a bit viral,
and she said, I love de Moldenburg and I'm extremely
anti gatekeeping when it comes to journalism. But this is
straight up not journalism, which has got a whole backlash.
And it's not in defense of to Moldenburg. It's people saying,
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does this cultural journalist not understand that these cultural awards
are meant to be a joke? And the pop Crave
Award for Excellence and Journalism is in itself a joke.
If you don't know what pop Crave is, how do
I even explain pop Crave? Pop Crave is like my
whole life is realarned at this moment. I can't explain it.
It's an online entertainment pop culture platform. It kind of
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like really rose to huge prominence many years ago. But
it's also really well known for not having like faces
of journalists attached to it, and also for just coming
out and just saying.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Wild shit, daily, mad stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah exactly, but almost worse than that, because it has
sometimes like a bit of a fantasy element to it
in terms of it would just be like this happened,
Everyone's like, no it didn't. In pop Crave will be like,
yeah it did, and we don't care to fact check.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
My favorite Pop Crave memory is when they called the
election the first time Donald Trump was made president and
everyone was like worried it was gonna happen. They're like,
we're just reporting as facts. And then that took off
that he had won the election before he officially had,
and people were trying to trace it back, and then
someone's like, who actually said this, and someone's like it
was pop Crave, Like they called the election and the
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whole world reportered of it. They had very immense power,
but they're not a proper news outlet, which is the
whole point of Amelia Bean Yeah and nominated in that section.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
The funny thing is this poor girl has kind of
realized her mistake then gone back and gone, I made
a booboo.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Mictually, it's almost axcletely what she says. She's like, I
really screwed up here.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I know. And then now people are saying that they
should enter like an award in her name for like
jumping to the wrong conclusion. So even though this is
blown up to be kind of a huge online storm,
like at the time of recording, I don't think Amelia
has responded, but like some people have jumped into the frame.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, Bowen did actually respond, So Taylor on x someone
imagine being upset about a lost culturalist his cultural award.
Then she responds, it happened to me. I did a
bad tweet and then right it was all worth it,
and she puts up a screenshot from Bowen Yang saying, Diva,
I love you. You're of course nominated next year.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
That's so nice. I freaking love bow and Yang only because, like,
I know, we're making light of it, but I can't
stress enough, guys, how much this woman was getting absolutely
roasted and pulled over the coals by so many people
because she just kind of like tapped the wrong corner
of the internet and they so fired up about it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And the thing is because Chicken Shop Date is that
it's so satirical, it's so dry. It is like that
is her vibe, Like she knows she's not like a
quote unquote real journalist. She's having fun. She plays it
by comedy. It's like between two ferns, but like a
little bit more serious.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I'm sure you guys have all seen it, but I
feel like she just kind of had a brain fart.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
This is why I think this is interesting. I think
that this was just the straw that broke the camels
back to a bigger problem that so many entertainment journalists
are having. And she saw that and it just kind
of and again I would almost do the same thing
as well. This is why I like, when I saw this,
I was so on her side because I was like,
I just can see exactly how this happened. That she
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saw that, and it just made all this resentment that
she's been feeling about how her industry is working at
the moment bubble up. And she lashed out the wrong
thing to make a point that she still stands by
because she was saying that Amelia de Mornberg is not
a journalist because she's an online personality. And yes, this
is a joke award, but the thing is like a
million De Mornenburg is still held up as an entertainment
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journalist in a proper sense, in a lot of respect
in terms of that she is often put into that category.
She gets access to talent for interview opportunities over like
more traditional journalists. She gets a spot on the red
carpets like big award shows including the Oscars, to interview
the talent. So even though she calls herself not a
proper journalist, she's playing in the journalism.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Space well, and she's getting I think the biggest thing
there is she's getting access and it's in the sort
of the same vein as like an Alex Cooper call
It Daddy. So when Caller Daddy started, she wasn't interviewing celebrities.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That was never her show.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Her show developed into kind of like a sit down
interview with celebrities. And a lot of the criticism with
Alex Cooper, I actually think she's doing an okay job.
You can tell she's quite green, but I do think
she's actually doing I don't think she's doing terribly honest,
but a lot of the criticism around hers is that
she doesn't know how to interview. So and I think
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you and I can have some criticisms about it, but
I think what's happened is that the space of entertainment
journalism has been taken over a lot by like influences
and personalities, and what happens is, particularly on red carpets,
I say this more most on red carpets, you see
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that inexperience come through and it becomes very uncomfortable, like
that moment where you know, the Megan thee.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Stallion with Hannah Berner. Yeah, so she.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
When she made that kind of passive aggressive comment.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That might tell aggression to Megan the Stallion.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
She said her music makes me want to fight and
me and was like, that's not the big takeaway, and
then there was this whole uproar that Hannah Berner had
done a microaggression against her. Hannah Burner then apologized and
it kind of all went away. But it was just
one of those things where it was like just another
kind of case of this like influencer verse reporter, first
comedian kind of thing happening.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And it's because it shows their inexperience when they're on
a carpet like this.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I don't want to get too serious about this, but
I understand that, you know, she Taylor just kind of
probably a bit of a knee jerk reaction.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It was a bit of like she said, what everyone
in the entertainment industry is thinking, is what I'm going
to go out on the leman say. She just said
it in the wrong place. But I think her point
is like quite a valid one, and that's the interesting thing.
I think that's what a lot of the noise missed.
One thing is like Amelia I don't think of The
thing is she doesn't call herself a journalist, but she
is more of an online personality. And I think the
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thing that she doesn't get enough kudos for is like
how smart she is of building that brand, and like,
she's obviously incredible in front of the camera, but it's
more so that she's been plugging away at Chicken Shop
Date for over ten years. She does all the planning,
she does all the editing. The fact that she records
for over an hour and then releases a ten minute
video is a level of creative control that I would
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only aspire to have because I'd be like, we need
the full hour. But she's so clever at knowing how
it works. And it's interesting during that line to Alex Cooper,
because I think she gets a lot of kudos for
how incredible and smart and business minded she is, whereas
I think the more you delve into her background, her
personality on screen overrules that, especially recently with all the
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call her daddy stuff that's come out in terms of
like she did a long form interview the other day
with her childhood best friend who has only been confirmed
that after many years as the producer of her show,
she did the call her Alex documentary, and I guess
I kind of knew this in my head, but like
the team of people, the fact that she has a
whole team of producers and researchers who prep her interviews
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for her, I feel needs to be looked at a
little bit here.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Look, I'm not saying she's amazed.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I'm not saying that I think she's doing well, considering
she is not trained in that area.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Do you know what I mean? Like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I don't mean this to sound bad, but when I
heard how many people she was writing her questions for her,
because up until then, I'm okay, I didn't realize that, yes,
she's not Yeah, this is what I thought too. Up
until then, I don't know why, but she had put
herself out there as this, like, you know, the mastermind
behind her business. And I quite believe that was true
because I know that when she started to call her daddy,
she was doing all the editing. So I guess I
(30:33):
was thinking, like, oh, considering the work she has to
do behind the scenes and the fact that she's here,
that's quite impressive. And now when I found out recently
how many people she has researching, writing the questions, doing
all that stuff, And maybe that's jealousy from me being
like I wish I had someone to do that for
my interviews instead of me like freaking out at nighttime
by myself. But then when I realized the big team
she had behind her, I was like, Oh, you're here,
(30:55):
But then maybe with that many people behind you, you should
be up here, do you know what I mean? Like,
it's one of those things. And she's not a one
woman band. She's part of an empire that she runs.
I'm not saying that to be critical of her. I
do think in many cases she is a good interview
and she's successful, and I'm like, I listened to a podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I actually quite enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's just this interesting kind of line that now we're
going through and we're being like, who's a journalist and
who's not, who's doing their own work and who's not.
It's hard to because you don't want to. You don't
want to get into this thing where you're sort of
having to, like everyone's got to pass some certain test.
But as the muddy of the waters get yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I think that's really interesting. When Taylor was like, I
don't want to gatekeep journalism, I think that's that's a
really big part of it. We can start having like
a very in depth conversation about journalism and integrity and
like who deserve We didn't do that for hours, but
I don't think anyone else wants to listen to that podcast.
So what I will do before we finish, because I
feel like we've got quite deep, I do want to
like lighten this back up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Please do?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Can I give you some more of the categories?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes? Please do?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Okay, just to show you how much Taylor should have
probably realized that this was a complete joke. So these
awards are actually airing on August the fifth. I think
it's going on Peacock. I don't know where that will
be in Australia. I'm sure because we will get that.
We will definitely be watching it. But okay, one of
my favorite categories is kindest Greeting and the number.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Days are stop ah, oh my god, oh you're here.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Then I won't leave number three. You just got off
a point. I refuse to believe that because you look
so amazing. Next one Okay, shirt the last one we've
met several times, and I remember love Lover.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's got great category, one of my favorites. Honestly, this
one's pretty good. Most iconic building.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Or structure so important.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's just the best lunch, worst sticky feeling, jolly redch
on hand to hate that so funny Hypochondriac Award for illness.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
We think we have this time.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I really relate to that one.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
This is so good for you. One norovirus, two fungal infection,
staff infection. Three depression that apparently requires ketemy. The way
she's I think I'm hilarious. Okay, strap again. Strap is
like like throat infection.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah, basically me for the last this is not
a sickness, but my foot is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I'm sorry. I could read these all day. There there's
more entertaining ones in there as well.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
There are, but I have been giggling to myself for
the last hour reading these nominations.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We're gonna put them in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We'll put all the nominates the show so you guys
can go have a look and giggle at your heart's content.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
But it's a lot of fun. So poor Taylor has
made a.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Bit of a boo boo's but we can forgive her
at least.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
This is the kind of internet storm that passes over
so quickly that these people won't be talking about this tomorrow,
but she'll remember and she'll wake up at night time
to think about this.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Bowen retweeted, Bowen like reached out to her. I'd be
happy to cop all that flat. Don't want Bowen yang to.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
He's the only one who really could have come in
and smooth over once. He said that it's like it's
like a tidal way was coming for her and he
stood in front of it, and then the wave just
went down again. Yeah, exactly. Bless that man and his
internet power. Well, thank you so much for listening to
The Spill today, And if you're more of the Spill,
don't forget our extra show. Morning Tea drops into your
feed Monday to Thursday at eight am. It's hosted by
(34:14):
Ash London and she brings you all the headlines that
have come out overnight. The Juicy tid bids everything you
need to start your day, and The Spill is produced
by maniche It's Warren, with sound production by Scott Stronik.
Mama Mia Studio is a style with furniture from Fenton
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three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Bye bye bye Lan
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