July 25, 2024 • 18 mins
The first trailer for Timothée Chalamet’s Bob Dylan movie is here, but it’s his preparation process for the role we’re most interested in.
And the world became obsessed with Netflix’s America's Sweethearts: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders documentary. Now the new team has been announced and not everyone is happy to see them.
Plus, everyone is talking about Hailey Bieber’s beautiful new pregnancy photoshoot, but her words tell a much more disturbing story.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop
culture fix. I'm mem Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And on today's show, there is some beautiful photos of
Hailey Bieber doing the rounds around the Internettional. Gorgeous, but
if you actually read the interview that goes with these photos,
it is a bit of a disturbing time. So we're
going to get into that and also some more Dallas
Cowboys cheerad is news because we were rocked by some
breaking news this week.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
That's not even a joke.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But first, the first Timothy shallow May is going to
be playing musician Bob Dylan in a nearby pick called
The Complete Unknown. So the trailer has just been released
and it has a huge star starded cast including el Fanning,
Edwin Norden, Monica Barbara and Boyd Holbrook. He plays Johnny Cash.
Timothy told GQ last year in an interview when he
(01:13):
was preparing for the role, he said that he took
a lot of inspiration from Austin Butler and that he
used Austin's entire Elvis team to help him prepare for
Bob Dylan. He said, I just saw the way he
committed to it all and realized I need to step
it up. This has given me like a newfound love
of Austin Butler, Like I feel like we take the
(01:33):
fists out of him so much of him constantly having
the Elvis voice. And he said when they were in
talks of doing June two, he like said, Austin had
already had the Stalin Stargar's voice, and I was like,
that's so interesting, Like he just really puts himself into
every character he plays.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, I think that Timothy Chalomay took away something very
different from Austin Butler's Elvis and Oscar's campaign because everyone
else was laughing at and making jokes about him and
just saying he was crazy, and Timothy was in the
wings being like, this man is iconic.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm going to do his inspiration. I'm going to do
what he did.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So the interesting thing is is that Timothy Challamey is
going very hard for an Oscar nomination here because the
movie is dropping in like prime Oscars voting time towards
the end of the year's refreshing people's minds.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He's doing exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What people do when they usually win their first Oscar,
which is playing a historical character, doing the whole voice
and kind of body makeover. He's ticking every box and
he's getting Austin Butler's team in so he's got his
eye on the prize.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh my god, good luck. I can't wait to watch it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
My dad was.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
A big Bob Dylan fan.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Was he's not anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I actually don't know. We haven't heard a lot of
Bob Dylan in the house lately, so your dad's.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Still live, so we just must have Dylan. It's two
crazy guys back together, Nana. So this week we had
some breaking news in the Mamere office, very serious. We
were heading out the door to a movie premiere that
you were very excited about, and to the point where
you were like, I've booked an over, I'm going without
you if you don't hurry, And I was trying to
(02:59):
help the team with his headline.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
He's professional for me who worked in the news.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Also, considering there were my tickets, I'm like, good luck
getting there without me.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You won't be able to get in.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It was literally to all I died, is like anyway,
our team noticed that on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders official
Instagram page. Obviously everyone is very across them after that
Netflix documentary is still really you know, at top of
the charts, going viral, everyone's talking about it. They had
posted a photo of all the new rookies, all the
new cheerleading ladies who had made it into this year's squad,
(03:30):
and people were going crazy, mostly because there were two
people from the Netflix documentary who were big standouts who
didn't make the team and had now had their dreams fulfilled.
So everyone was like, are we treating this as breaking news?
Yes we are, And that's because in the photo where
Kelly Valaris and Charlie Barbie, who were two of the
big stars of the Netflix documentary, and there was a
(03:52):
lot of airtime given to when they didn't get on
the squad. So if you're not across Kelly was the
dancer from New Jersey. We hawk in New Jersey. That's
why I was in parnt of her story and she
had yeah and she was really excited about plastic bags
because they didn't have them in New Jersey, she was
going to take them back. Most notably known further she
was bright blonde, and then when they had the Makeoversecen
her hair was dyed brown and she obviously hated it,
(04:13):
but she didn't say anything about it.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now and she kept it. She kept it for the
next seat.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
She said she was going to because she was like,
I'm coming back and I'm going to keep this hair
because I know what's what they want.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It really destroyed her though, when the phone call with
her mom, She's like, you know what, I'm just going
to do it. I'm going to keep the hair. I'm
going to keep it and give them exactly what they want. Yeah,
you know what, girl, go for it. Keep that hair,
Keep that hair.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And the other new teer leader was Charlie, who had
the long red hair and everyone really loved her. She
was good friends with Reese in the docco and was
a big standout from the first dance audition.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I remember they couldn't get over how red her hair was.
Like she was a diversity, I know exactly, Like her
hair is so red, I know, and they're like, that's
real red.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I guess we can have her where we're going to
put her. It was so crazy, and they also kept
talking about how unpolished she was and how much she
needed to make over, and I like literally paused it
watching it, and I zoomed it on her as much
as like walked up to my TV with my own
eyes and I was like where.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I was like, I can't see a single paw on
this girl. I don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So they have both come back auditioned and made the
New Squad, and people were very excited because they were
fan favorites. I've got to say I was a bit
disappointed in them. I know that's a controversial take, not
in a bad way. It's just I've had a lot
of time to kind of like really sit with this documentary,
like we've been talking about it so much. I've even
gone back in because I watched it, like all seven
episodes in one night so we could record that podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I watched it really quickly.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I've gone back and watched a few episodes that I
was kind of going quickly through to kind of really
get it. And I think what I find that I'm
still kind of wrestling with, and I think what's interesting
is that it's just such a different culture from here
in Australia, but you see these women who are so
wildly talented, Like both of these women are incredible dancers
and incredibly skilled in that area. And Kelly talks about
(05:52):
the fact that her parents gave up everything so she
could be a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. That was always her
goal through her entire life, all the dance competitions, all
the money. Her parents stayed together in an unhappy marriage
for a really long time because they couldn't afford to
have two households and also give her the training she
needed to be a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. And when I
saw her come back this year, I was like, girl,
I kind of wanted you to go to go do
(06:13):
something else, Go be a Broadway star, go dance on
a big tour, do anything but stand on the sidelines
of a men's sports game and be kind of like
background entertainment.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I did think that as well, But I think after
like watching the series, watching season one and then hearing
her backstory, there would be some like childhood trauma of
her knowing how much her parents did for her, like
of her going I just have to do this one
thing for them, And then I can finally break free.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, well that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
When she was like, when they told I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
That's exactly what happened, I'm like, I just like I
can understand if that is the way she took it,
like exactly why she would have done it this way?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It was interesting when they when they let her know
she had it made last year's scored and she was like, well,
what can I do to come back? Because my dream
is to be on this team and to be part
of this organization. And so when I say, I was
like disappointed in them of coming back and maybe not
pursuing something else and giving the best years because you
know your time is limited when you're a dance, like
any kind of physical thing, like you know you've got
a chunk of time.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
It's a skill that as your body gets older.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's like other like singing or acting or writing or
something where you can maybe get better over time. It's like,
you have these prime years, don't waste them on the
side of a football game. But I know that's obviously
because I'm just not in that world. And maybe even
after watching the documentary, I'm not understanding the cultural significance
of this team and the fact that they have this
like calendars and barbies made out them fandoms. But I've
(07:33):
been watching a lot of player videos on TikTok of
Dallas Cowboy's Cheerleaders game because I was like, what do
the Cheetahs look like when you're just there as a
from their POV.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, you're just there to watch a normal game.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And what I find interesting is like in the Netflix
cameras when they're like on them, it looks like they're
these huge stars of the game, and they are, but
just in a different way. Because the Netflix cameras are close,
You're seeing all this amazing dance.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's like a cinematic masterpiece.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, but when you're watching it from someone who's sitting
in the audience, Like there's the girls dancing and sometimes
they're on camera, but sometimes they're showing replays the game.
People are moving around, they're getting food, they're getting drinks.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like also some of them.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are still on field, like training while they're dancing. Yeah,
I'm like, get off the field. This is not your
time yet.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think the Netflix documentary made it in some cases
not all the time. In some cases made it look
like they come out and the world just stops around
them and everyone's watching this dance and cheering. And if
you watch videos taken in the stadium, people are very
excited to see them. But like I said, there's replays
off on the screen sometimes instead of them dancing. Even
when they're doing Thunderstruck, people are moving around like it's
(08:36):
the break, it's before the game starts.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So it's very culty, right, Yeah, because I feel like
these women are thinking this job is like something that's
so beyond But for the rest of the world when
you're right, when you see it from an audience member's perspective,
you're like, oh, is that it? Yeah, Like I'm like
I nearly got swept in. I nearly wanted to be
a Dallas.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean that's the power of the documentary.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So anyway, I think most people, and like I also
was very happy to see Kelly and Charlie in there
because I'm like, I spent so much time watching you girls,
and I was so like, so invested in your stories
and I knew how much you wanted this.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think the moment comes from not knowing that if
they know they're good enough for something.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Big, Yeah, exactly, that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So anyway, I hope, Yeah, you can do something you want.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And then she said, go do that.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Anyway, I really hope they filmed all that for a
season two because I'm going to watch the shit out
of that Tennessee. And I've got to say I would
be very excited to see these girls get their outfits.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
We did a broodly honest review of season one of
Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. We will link that in our show notes.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Nana So Hailey Bieber is W magazine's new cover star
and there's a beautiful black and white image with her
lovely little baby bump on the cover, and then there's
a gorgeous photo shoot that's gone with it, very stylized,
very moody.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Very country.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, and the bumps on full display. And so when
this magazine got released, the photos were going everywhere. All
these different outlets and accounts were sharing them, and so
that's what I was seeing all through my feed.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And obviously she's just.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
A beautiful girl, so she always looks good in a photo,
but I just thought these were particularly kind of lovely
in terms of how they showcased her pregnancy. And even
though she's looking moody in them. You can tell that
she's like quite happy about having the bump there and
all that sort of stuff. So that was gorgeous and
the comments were nice, and then I thought, oh, well,
there's a whole cover story and I haven't seen any
takeaways from that because I.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Didn't even know there was a I think because I
know that she's a model, so in my head I
was like, oh, she just did a photo shoot, like
there probably isn't anything else to it. And then when
you told me about the cover story, I was like, what, well, yeah,
when you're on she's talked in this.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, there's a whole long feature interview where the journalist
went and hung out at her home on her like
air one. Her Air one groceries got delivered and they
were putting them away and all that sort of.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Stuff, and she just got your flight and she was
on a leather couch.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That was all happening.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So I clipped them to read the article, and instantly
I was kind of hit by this fact that this
article was such a different vibe to these beautiful pregnancy
photos where she looked so happy and at peace.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Because the article itself, I.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Don't want to say it's a cry for help. But
if I read this and this is one of my friends,
I would be driving to their house directly to kind
of check that they're okay. So it starts off when
she's talking about having cyberchondria, which I also have.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I didn't even know if there was a word for it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So it's no one as anxiety or negative outcome of
online health information seeking. So it's pretty much of your
online looking for information. You see it, you pretty much
think that you have that. And this is why my sister,
who's a doctor, has banned me from looking at my
own medical information online or even watching greats Anatomy because
I instantly think I have whatever the person on the
screen has.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It's quite common when you work in our industry as well.
Because we work at Mamea, we see and hear so
many terrible pregnancy and birthing stories that are kind of
like there's been people who've been turned off like having children, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But even hell stories in general, because no one says like,
oh I had a normal day, like the stories we get.
Sam was like, oh, I had a little ache in
the back of my ear the next day I got
told I had stage four cancer or like I went
to the doctor with this and they told me this,
Like people only send in their stories when they're those
really big, traumatic, surprising things. But when you're right, when
you work in women's media and that's what you're seeing
every day. This is why I'm like, I've got a
(12:01):
red spot on my hand. I go the doctor, I'm like,
what is it. It's like I'm dying tomorrow, right, So
Haley Beaber has that. So that was a SAURI article
and why she's trying not to read traumatic birth stories
and that's very understandable.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And then the rest of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The article was almost like her bringing up how the
public hates her or deflecting talking on topics that she
knows are going to spiral into online hate. So the
journalists comments on her ring and obviously there were these
stories that Justin Bieber had given her this like bigger
engagement ring when they renew their vows recently, and she
gets quite defense in the story. She was actually, it's
(12:33):
only a carrot bigger, it's just elongated, and like pulls
her hand back and says, people are going to write
their own stories about it.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I don't want to talk about it. The journalists notice
that she's being polite, but I'm not touching that because
people are going to be angry about it. And I
was like, you have this beautiful diamond ring and you're
so nervous about what people are saying about it that
it's almost like you want to rip it off your hand.
And then she goes on to say that she hid
her pregnancy for a long time because she knew that
there would be like public speculation and like people would
(13:00):
have thoughts about it and even be negative about it.
And then that started to take its toll on her
because she feels like she couldn't enjoy her pregnancy because
she was in hiding. And then she goes on to
say it like this article is like bam bam, now.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That you're saying it like it's because I read the
interview and I could tell like it felt like she
was just very nervous. But you're so right, because she
then talked about her skincare makeup brand Road and she
you could tell the way the interviewer phrased the writing
her interview was that she was so proud of it,
like she was so proud that it made it but
then you could tell that she was straight away like embarrassed,
(13:34):
and she was like, I know, not all celebrity brands
work out. And I'm like, oh my god, Yeah, you're
allowed to like things, but I understand why you feel
like you can't say that because everyone would have jumped
on that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
She keeps touching on these positive things and then immediately
swings into these really negative stories with the brand thing.
It's yeah, she's talking about Road, which is a very
successful brand, and the journalist says, like she knows. I'm like,
people are going to roll their eyes at her, so
she says, instead of continuing to talk about her brand,
she says, I knew it was a really oversat trade
space and everyone was tired of celebrity brands. And then
(14:03):
she starts talking about Justin Bieber and how happy they
are together. You're like, oh, this is cute. She's gonna
talk about a relationship. No, then she spirals into people
have made me feel so bad about my relationship since
day one. Oh, they're falling apart, they hate each other,
they're getting divorced. It's like people don't want to believe
we're happy. I used to try and act like it
hurts less and less. I've tried to think that you
get used to it a certain point and this is
(14:23):
what it's going to be said, and this is how
people are going to be. But I realize it never
makes me hurt any less.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It's like she wants to say it first so people
don't jump on it. So she's the one who's like,
I'm gonna say all the negative stuff. So it feels
like people are just repeating what I'm saying rather than
like having their own thought about it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Absolutely, even when they're sort of asking you about her
family memories. She obviously comes from the Bolben family of every.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
From that really interesting. She said that she's not as
close with her family as she was when she was growing.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Up, Yeah, which I thought was kind of a very
telling thing. Where she talks, She's like, I've had happy memories,
but I had to grow up really fast and become
an adult and like look after myself very early on,
and I don't see my family much anymore. So it's
like the journalist keeps trying to give her these inns
to talk about, because like, what I find interesting is
on paper, this girl has the most perfect life, Like
she grew up in a very rich, famous family. She's
(15:09):
what everyone would consu is conventionally beautiful girl. Yeah, she's
a thin, white, blonde, able bodied woman. She married this
guy that she was obsessed with, and like by her
owd admission.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That an entire generation of women were upsesses her.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Childhood crush, she married him and they had this beautiful,
fairytale wedding. She wanted to start this brand.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
She did. It's been very successful. She wanted to have
a baby. They are. They live in this beautiful home.
She said.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
She wanted to have like good food while pregnant, so
she's brought in a private chef to cook all these meals.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
A model trendsetterup.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, and yet when I think of Haley be but, like,
I don't think of any of that. I think of
all this kind of hatred, negativity, and the sadness, Like
the sadness of Hailey Bee but is so overwhelming. And
I find that like a sad but also like quite
a disturbing thing, and it comes through in this article
so intensely.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, I do remember. I don't know if it was
a few years back, but there was like this tweet
that talked about her just having a bland esthetic. Yeah,
and how like she gives everyone nothing, Like she'd like,
go on, girl, give us nothing. And I was like, oh,
that is so so horrible to say about someone, but
everyone jumped on it because I think people need a
flaw in like the perfect person, and if they don't
(16:19):
outwardly show that flow, then we just make it up
for them.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah. I mean, look, I feel a bad it with
that because I've talked about her being bland before. And
what I mean by that is not that I mean
I don't really like engage with her content that much.
I have no hatred against her or anything like that.
I guess like we were rewards sometimes women for certain
things when they're beautiful, but also have like these big,
baldy personalities and do all this stuff, and she just
doesn't have that.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
She's kind of a very.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Quiet, simple person, and I think that so she hasn't
been able to override how people see her, because I
just think sometimes with celebrities, we expect them to be
able to have a certain personality, but she doesn't have that.
She's very much an influencer who has just become famous
by the people around her, but that shouldn't be something
that she has.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Hatred for around her.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I just think the first time we were introduced to her,
it was mainly through the anger people hard about her
dating Justin bieber Overslein and Groenmez because that fan was
so strong. And I just think all these years, like
a decade later, that hasn't gone away, and it's still
the main part of her story, to the fact where
even when she's like the cover star of this huge
magazine doing this article, it's like she can't talk about
(17:24):
her life without bringing up all the hatred she knows
people have around her.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That's a terrible place to be, And especially because they
break up so long ago, Justin and Selena, like when
they were like teenagers.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, I'm like, this is embarrassing, Like these are two
grown adults who are having a child and there's like
this massive fandom who still can't get over it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So we'll link the full W
magazine interview in our show notes. There is some other
nice stuff in there, obviously, you know, she's talking about
her relationship and that sort of stuff that obviously the
bad stuff's overwhelming, but I think you should definitely take
a time to read it because I think it really
paints a picture of where pop culture has put this woman,
and it's not all good.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
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Did an episode about him, led by Jesse and Claire Stephens.
(18:21):
It is so funny. We will link that episode in
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Speaker 1 (18:27):
Bye bye, bye
Speaker 2 (18:33):
La
So much. You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop
culture fix. I'm mem Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And on today's show, there is some beautiful photos of
Hailey Bieber doing the rounds around the Internettional. Gorgeous, but
if you actually read the interview that goes with these photos,
it is a bit of a disturbing time. So we're
going to get into that and also some more Dallas
Cowboys cheerad is news because we were rocked by some
breaking news this week.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
That's not even a joke.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But first, the first Timothy shallow May is going to
be playing musician Bob Dylan in a nearby pick called
The Complete Unknown. So the trailer has just been released
and it has a huge star starded cast including el Fanning,
Edwin Norden, Monica Barbara and Boyd Holbrook. He plays Johnny Cash.
Timothy told GQ last year in an interview when he
(01:13):
was preparing for the role, he said that he took
a lot of inspiration from Austin Butler and that he
used Austin's entire Elvis team to help him prepare for
Bob Dylan. He said, I just saw the way he
committed to it all and realized I need to step
it up. This has given me like a newfound love
of Austin Butler, Like I feel like we take the
(01:33):
fists out of him so much of him constantly having
the Elvis voice. And he said when they were in
talks of doing June two, he like said, Austin had
already had the Stalin Stargar's voice, and I was like,
that's so interesting, Like he just really puts himself into
every character he plays.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, I think that Timothy Chalomay took away something very
different from Austin Butler's Elvis and Oscar's campaign because everyone
else was laughing at and making jokes about him and
just saying he was crazy, and Timothy was in the
wings being like, this man is iconic.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm going to do his inspiration. I'm going to do
what he did.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So the interesting thing is is that Timothy Challamey is
going very hard for an Oscar nomination here because the
movie is dropping in like prime Oscars voting time towards
the end of the year's refreshing people's minds.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He's doing exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What people do when they usually win their first Oscar,
which is playing a historical character, doing the whole voice
and kind of body makeover. He's ticking every box and
he's getting Austin Butler's team in so he's got his
eye on the prize.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh my god, good luck. I can't wait to watch it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
My dad was.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
A big Bob Dylan fan.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Was he's not anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I actually don't know. We haven't heard a lot of
Bob Dylan in the house lately, so your dad's.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Still live, so we just must have Dylan. It's two
crazy guys back together, Nana. So this week we had
some breaking news in the Mamere office, very serious. We
were heading out the door to a movie premiere that
you were very excited about, and to the point where
you were like, I've booked an over, I'm going without
you if you don't hurry, And I was trying to
(02:59):
help the team with his headline.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
He's professional for me who worked in the news.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Also, considering there were my tickets, I'm like, good luck
getting there without me.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You won't be able to get in.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It was literally to all I died, is like anyway,
our team noticed that on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders official
Instagram page. Obviously everyone is very across them after that
Netflix documentary is still really you know, at top of
the charts, going viral, everyone's talking about it. They had
posted a photo of all the new rookies, all the
new cheerleading ladies who had made it into this year's squad,
(03:30):
and people were going crazy, mostly because there were two
people from the Netflix documentary who were big standouts who
didn't make the team and had now had their dreams fulfilled.
So everyone was like, are we treating this as breaking news?
Yes we are, And that's because in the photo where
Kelly Valaris and Charlie Barbie, who were two of the
big stars of the Netflix documentary, and there was a
(03:52):
lot of airtime given to when they didn't get on
the squad. So if you're not across Kelly was the
dancer from New Jersey. We hawk in New Jersey. That's
why I was in parnt of her story and she
had yeah and she was really excited about plastic bags
because they didn't have them in New Jersey, she was
going to take them back. Most notably known further she
was bright blonde, and then when they had the Makeoversecen
her hair was dyed brown and she obviously hated it,
(04:13):
but she didn't say anything about it.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now and she kept it. She kept it for the
next seat.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
She said she was going to because she was like,
I'm coming back and I'm going to keep this hair
because I know what's what they want.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It really destroyed her though, when the phone call with
her mom, She's like, you know what, I'm just going
to do it. I'm going to keep the hair. I'm
going to keep it and give them exactly what they want. Yeah,
you know what, girl, go for it. Keep that hair,
Keep that hair.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And the other new teer leader was Charlie, who had
the long red hair and everyone really loved her. She
was good friends with Reese in the docco and was
a big standout from the first dance audition.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I remember they couldn't get over how red her hair was.
Like she was a diversity, I know exactly, Like her
hair is so red, I know, and they're like, that's
real red.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I guess we can have her where we're going to
put her. It was so crazy, and they also kept
talking about how unpolished she was and how much she
needed to make over, and I like literally paused it
watching it, and I zoomed it on her as much
as like walked up to my TV with my own
eyes and I was like where.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I was like, I can't see a single paw on
this girl. I don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So they have both come back auditioned and made the
New Squad, and people were very excited because they were
fan favorites. I've got to say I was a bit
disappointed in them. I know that's a controversial take, not
in a bad way. It's just I've had a lot
of time to kind of like really sit with this documentary,
like we've been talking about it so much. I've even
gone back in because I watched it, like all seven
episodes in one night so we could record that podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I watched it really quickly.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I've gone back and watched a few episodes that I
was kind of going quickly through to kind of really
get it. And I think what I find that I'm
still kind of wrestling with, and I think what's interesting
is that it's just such a different culture from here
in Australia, but you see these women who are so
wildly talented, Like both of these women are incredible dancers
and incredibly skilled in that area. And Kelly talks about
(05:52):
the fact that her parents gave up everything so she
could be a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. That was always her
goal through her entire life, all the dance competitions, all
the money. Her parents stayed together in an unhappy marriage
for a really long time because they couldn't afford to
have two households and also give her the training she
needed to be a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. And when I
saw her come back this year, I was like, girl,
I kind of wanted you to go to go do
(06:13):
something else, Go be a Broadway star, go dance on
a big tour, do anything but stand on the sidelines
of a men's sports game and be kind of like
background entertainment.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I did think that as well, But I think after
like watching the series, watching season one and then hearing
her backstory, there would be some like childhood trauma of
her knowing how much her parents did for her, like
of her going I just have to do this one
thing for them, And then I can finally break free.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, well that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
When she was like, when they told I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
That's exactly what happened, I'm like, I just like I
can understand if that is the way she took it,
like exactly why she would have done it this way?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It was interesting when they when they let her know
she had it made last year's scored and she was like, well,
what can I do to come back? Because my dream
is to be on this team and to be part
of this organization. And so when I say, I was
like disappointed in them of coming back and maybe not
pursuing something else and giving the best years because you
know your time is limited when you're a dance, like
any kind of physical thing, like you know you've got
a chunk of time.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
It's a skill that as your body gets older.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's like other like singing or acting or writing or
something where you can maybe get better over time. It's like,
you have these prime years, don't waste them on the
side of a football game. But I know that's obviously
because I'm just not in that world. And maybe even
after watching the documentary, I'm not understanding the cultural significance
of this team and the fact that they have this
like calendars and barbies made out them fandoms. But I've
(07:33):
been watching a lot of player videos on TikTok of
Dallas Cowboy's Cheerleaders game because I was like, what do
the Cheetahs look like when you're just there as a
from their POV.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, you're just there to watch a normal game.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And what I find interesting is like in the Netflix
cameras when they're like on them, it looks like they're
these huge stars of the game, and they are, but
just in a different way. Because the Netflix cameras are close,
You're seeing all this amazing dance.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's like a cinematic masterpiece.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, but when you're watching it from someone who's sitting
in the audience, Like there's the girls dancing and sometimes
they're on camera, but sometimes they're showing replays the game.
People are moving around, they're getting food, they're getting drinks.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like also some of them.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are still on field, like training while they're dancing. Yeah,
I'm like, get off the field. This is not your
time yet.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think the Netflix documentary made it in some cases
not all the time. In some cases made it look
like they come out and the world just stops around
them and everyone's watching this dance and cheering. And if
you watch videos taken in the stadium, people are very
excited to see them. But like I said, there's replays
off on the screen sometimes instead of them dancing. Even
when they're doing Thunderstruck, people are moving around like it's
(08:36):
the break, it's before the game starts.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So it's very culty, right, Yeah, because I feel like
these women are thinking this job is like something that's
so beyond But for the rest of the world when
you're right, when you see it from an audience member's perspective,
you're like, oh, is that it? Yeah, Like I'm like
I nearly got swept in. I nearly wanted to be
a Dallas.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean that's the power of the documentary.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So anyway, I think most people, and like I also
was very happy to see Kelly and Charlie in there
because I'm like, I spent so much time watching you girls,
and I was so like, so invested in your stories
and I knew how much you wanted this.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think the moment comes from not knowing that if
they know they're good enough for something.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Big, Yeah, exactly, that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So anyway, I hope, Yeah, you can do something you want.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And then she said, go do that.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Anyway, I really hope they filmed all that for a
season two because I'm going to watch the shit out
of that Tennessee. And I've got to say I would
be very excited to see these girls get their outfits.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
We did a broodly honest review of season one of
Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. We will link that in our show notes.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Nana So Hailey Bieber is W magazine's new cover star
and there's a beautiful black and white image with her
lovely little baby bump on the cover, and then there's
a gorgeous photo shoot that's gone with it, very stylized,
very moody.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Very country.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, and the bumps on full display. And so when
this magazine got released, the photos were going everywhere. All
these different outlets and accounts were sharing them, and so
that's what I was seeing all through my feed.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And obviously she's just.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
A beautiful girl, so she always looks good in a photo,
but I just thought these were particularly kind of lovely
in terms of how they showcased her pregnancy. And even
though she's looking moody in them. You can tell that
she's like quite happy about having the bump there and
all that sort of stuff. So that was gorgeous and
the comments were nice, and then I thought, oh, well,
there's a whole cover story and I haven't seen any
takeaways from that because I.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Didn't even know there was a I think because I
know that she's a model, so in my head I
was like, oh, she just did a photo shoot, like
there probably isn't anything else to it. And then when
you told me about the cover story, I was like, what, well, yeah,
when you're on she's talked in this.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, there's a whole long feature interview where the journalist
went and hung out at her home on her like
air one. Her Air one groceries got delivered and they
were putting them away and all that sort of.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Stuff, and she just got your flight and she was
on a leather couch.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That was all happening.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So I clipped them to read the article, and instantly
I was kind of hit by this fact that this
article was such a different vibe to these beautiful pregnancy
photos where she looked so happy and at peace.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Because the article itself, I.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Don't want to say it's a cry for help. But
if I read this and this is one of my friends,
I would be driving to their house directly to kind
of check that they're okay. So it starts off when
she's talking about having cyberchondria, which I also have.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I didn't even know if there was a word for it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So it's no one as anxiety or negative outcome of
online health information seeking. So it's pretty much of your
online looking for information. You see it, you pretty much
think that you have that. And this is why my sister,
who's a doctor, has banned me from looking at my
own medical information online or even watching greats Anatomy because
I instantly think I have whatever the person on the
screen has.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It's quite common when you work in our industry as well.
Because we work at Mamea, we see and hear so
many terrible pregnancy and birthing stories that are kind of
like there's been people who've been turned off like having children, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But even hell stories in general, because no one says like,
oh I had a normal day, like the stories we get.
Sam was like, oh, I had a little ache in
the back of my ear the next day I got
told I had stage four cancer or like I went
to the doctor with this and they told me this,
Like people only send in their stories when they're those
really big, traumatic, surprising things. But when you're right, when
you work in women's media and that's what you're seeing
every day. This is why I'm like, I've got a
(12:01):
red spot on my hand. I go the doctor, I'm like,
what is it. It's like I'm dying tomorrow, right, So
Haley Beaber has that. So that was a SAURI article
and why she's trying not to read traumatic birth stories
and that's very understandable.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And then the rest of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The article was almost like her bringing up how the
public hates her or deflecting talking on topics that she
knows are going to spiral into online hate. So the
journalists comments on her ring and obviously there were these
stories that Justin Bieber had given her this like bigger
engagement ring when they renew their vows recently, and she
gets quite defense in the story. She was actually, it's
(12:33):
only a carrot bigger, it's just elongated, and like pulls
her hand back and says, people are going to write
their own stories about it.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I don't want to talk about it. The journalists notice
that she's being polite, but I'm not touching that because
people are going to be angry about it. And I
was like, you have this beautiful diamond ring and you're
so nervous about what people are saying about it that
it's almost like you want to rip it off your hand.
And then she goes on to say that she hid
her pregnancy for a long time because she knew that
there would be like public speculation and like people would
(13:00):
have thoughts about it and even be negative about it.
And then that started to take its toll on her
because she feels like she couldn't enjoy her pregnancy because
she was in hiding. And then she goes on to
say it like this article is like bam bam, now.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That you're saying it like it's because I read the
interview and I could tell like it felt like she
was just very nervous. But you're so right, because she
then talked about her skincare makeup brand Road and she
you could tell the way the interviewer phrased the writing
her interview was that she was so proud of it,
like she was so proud that it made it but
then you could tell that she was straight away like embarrassed,
(13:34):
and she was like, I know, not all celebrity brands
work out. And I'm like, oh my god, Yeah, you're
allowed to like things, but I understand why you feel
like you can't say that because everyone would have jumped
on that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
She keeps touching on these positive things and then immediately
swings into these really negative stories with the brand thing.
It's yeah, she's talking about Road, which is a very
successful brand, and the journalist says, like she knows. I'm like,
people are going to roll their eyes at her, so
she says, instead of continuing to talk about her brand,
she says, I knew it was a really oversat trade
space and everyone was tired of celebrity brands. And then
(14:03):
she starts talking about Justin Bieber and how happy they
are together. You're like, oh, this is cute. She's gonna
talk about a relationship. No, then she spirals into people
have made me feel so bad about my relationship since
day one. Oh, they're falling apart, they hate each other,
they're getting divorced. It's like people don't want to believe
we're happy. I used to try and act like it
hurts less and less. I've tried to think that you
get used to it a certain point and this is
(14:23):
what it's going to be said, and this is how
people are going to be. But I realize it never
makes me hurt any less.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It's like she wants to say it first so people
don't jump on it. So she's the one who's like,
I'm gonna say all the negative stuff. So it feels
like people are just repeating what I'm saying rather than
like having their own thought about it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Absolutely, even when they're sort of asking you about her
family memories. She obviously comes from the Bolben family of every.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
From that really interesting. She said that she's not as
close with her family as she was when she was growing.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Up, Yeah, which I thought was kind of a very
telling thing. Where she talks, She's like, I've had happy memories,
but I had to grow up really fast and become
an adult and like look after myself very early on,
and I don't see my family much anymore. So it's
like the journalist keeps trying to give her these inns
to talk about, because like, what I find interesting is
on paper, this girl has the most perfect life, Like
she grew up in a very rich, famous family. She's
(15:09):
what everyone would consu is conventionally beautiful girl. Yeah, she's
a thin, white, blonde, able bodied woman. She married this
guy that she was obsessed with, and like by her
owd admission.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That an entire generation of women were upsesses her.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Childhood crush, she married him and they had this beautiful,
fairytale wedding. She wanted to start this brand.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
She did. It's been very successful. She wanted to have
a baby. They are. They live in this beautiful home.
She said.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
She wanted to have like good food while pregnant, so
she's brought in a private chef to cook all these meals.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
A model trendsetterup.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, and yet when I think of Haley be but, like,
I don't think of any of that. I think of
all this kind of hatred, negativity, and the sadness, Like
the sadness of Hailey Bee but is so overwhelming. And
I find that like a sad but also like quite
a disturbing thing, and it comes through in this article
so intensely.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, I do remember. I don't know if it was
a few years back, but there was like this tweet
that talked about her just having a bland esthetic. Yeah,
and how like she gives everyone nothing, Like she'd like,
go on, girl, give us nothing. And I was like, oh,
that is so so horrible to say about someone, but
everyone jumped on it because I think people need a
flaw in like the perfect person, and if they don't
(16:19):
outwardly show that flow, then we just make it up
for them.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah. I mean, look, I feel a bad it with
that because I've talked about her being bland before. And
what I mean by that is not that I mean
I don't really like engage with her content that much.
I have no hatred against her or anything like that.
I guess like we were rewards sometimes women for certain
things when they're beautiful, but also have like these big,
baldy personalities and do all this stuff, and she just
doesn't have that.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
She's kind of a very.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Quiet, simple person, and I think that so she hasn't
been able to override how people see her, because I
just think sometimes with celebrities, we expect them to be
able to have a certain personality, but she doesn't have that.
She's very much an influencer who has just become famous
by the people around her, but that shouldn't be something
that she has.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Hatred for around her.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I just think the first time we were introduced to her,
it was mainly through the anger people hard about her
dating Justin bieber Overslein and Groenmez because that fan was
so strong. And I just think all these years, like
a decade later, that hasn't gone away, and it's still
the main part of her story, to the fact where
even when she's like the cover star of this huge
magazine doing this article, it's like she can't talk about
(17:24):
her life without bringing up all the hatred she knows
people have around her.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That's a terrible place to be, And especially because they
break up so long ago, Justin and Selena, like when
they were like teenagers.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, I'm like, this is embarrassing, Like these are two
grown adults who are having a child and there's like
this massive fandom who still can't get over it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So we'll link the full W
magazine interview in our show notes. There is some other
nice stuff in there, obviously, you know, she's talking about
her relationship and that sort of stuff that obviously the
bad stuff's overwhelming, but I think you should definitely take
a time to read it because I think it really
paints a picture of where pop culture has put this woman,
and it's not all good.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
If you want more content from us, we always post
on our Instagram page at the Spill Podcast. We post
everything from articles to our podcast snippets in the studio
to the premieres we go to truly not over there. Also,
if you want more content about Timothy Shalloon may cancel.
Did an episode about him, led by Jesse and Claire Stephens.
(18:21):
It is so funny. We will link that episode in
our show notes. We will see you back here on
your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Bye bye, bye
Speaker 2 (18:33):
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