November 25, 2024 • 25 mins
On the show today we need to give you our honest review of Moana Two, which is out in cinemas this week.
And Sydney Sweeney has made some interesting remarks about how women in Hollywood work against each other, and it’s clear that not everyone agrees with her.
Now we need to talk about the high-profile women who have responded to her and what’s really going on behind the scenes.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
On From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily
pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Broadway.
Did you hear I went on a bit of a
different inclination there for the intro.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I did not pick that up. But I'm proud of
you for taking chances and big swings.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, I try something to do. On today's show, Sydney
Sweeney made a comment about women in Hollywood recently and
it's gone absolutely viral. We are talking about that as
well as all the reactions that have come out of that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But first, but first, While you are often seeing a
Paul having a fancy time, I was also doing big,
exciting things.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Because I went to the Mawana two premiere, I'm so jealous.
I actually thought you would be.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I love Moana so much.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Where are we going? Before more, we saw Tiffeti's heart.
Ancestors wanted to connect our island to all the people
of the entire ocean. It's my job, as we find it,
to finish what they started.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wanna how people just how far we will go?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This is a call from the ancestors hidden in a
terrible storm. It's an ancient island sitting foot on its sands,
would break the curse, bring.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Our people together again.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
They know what I have to do. Moi, I could
really use your help.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Does it hold up to mona one?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That is a complicated and complex question. So first I
should say I'm a really big Molana fan. I don't
have children, obviously, but you know what, I appreciate a
great soundtrack and also a nice story, and you know,
the character is how fuck It's like the one in
the room. So I interviewed many years ago for a
different project, Alihi Vero Vulet who voices Moana.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
She was Girls.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's right, she was in Megirls is a priet it.
This is for a TV show she did. And it
was so funny because often I come out into the
office and I say like, oh, I've got to go
interview this person or that person, and people are like, oh, yeah, whatever,
you know movie stars, we don't care. And when I
said I've got to go interview the voice of Moana,
like literally, the reaction in the room was so intense,
like a So this is the sequel to the twenty
(02:33):
sixty movie. I think was originally going to be like
they always wanted to do a follow up because wait,
wasn't that sixteen Yeah, I know what that.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Was before I sort of working here.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well it really yes, Oh my god, we didn't know
each other before Mowana existed.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
To me, I felt like it was like three years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
No, no, no, it was a while ago, because I
think it was a bit of a delay in production. Obviously,
it takes long time to get an animated movie together,
but I think for a while there it was going
to be a TV series, like an animated series, but
I'm glad they wouldn't have been blockbuster feature release. So
it picks up a couple of years after the events
of the first movie, and it's got like the original
voice cast. So Dwaine the Rock Johnson as Maui his
(03:13):
favorite role to date because he's also starring in the
live action movie.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He's gonna look so good in that. Oh my god,
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I actually because I was a big Molana fan of
the original, both the storyline. Then I listened to the
soundtrack all the time, not just how Far I Go,
which is an absolute banger of a song. It's my
favorite I'm walking to work because it makes me feel.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Like, you know what you are going far?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I go far, I'm doing the work to work, just
sit at my desk, but just all the songs in
that So this one, okay review time, I did really
like it. I think there was like a certain magic
of being back in that world and being back with
these characters, and it's very funny. It's probably it's a
bit more slapstick almost than the original, But does that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Mean it's I skewed younger, No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's still got very kind of adult themes in terms
of Moana kind of gets this call up from the
wave writer ancestors and she has to go and find
that idea of the first movie where she found out
her people were actually voyagers and they weren't just you know,
going to be locked on this island and she made
friends with the ocean really beautiful, and this is about
her this time. She assembles a crew of like different villagers,
(04:20):
so that's fun to have like these new characters, and
they go off from this voyage to find other people
and find this island like save her people, which is
really nice, and then she and Maw we reconnect and
it's a fun time.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I sh look older.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and there's actually a really funny joke. There's a
few funny jokes in there that are light little winks
to people who are very into Marjana fandom, like not spoilers.
But there's a point where now his character goes like, oh,
she's not a princess, but that's been hotly debated, and
I laughed. I was the only one that sin of
my Another kids laughed. Another adults laughed. I laughed at
that because there's been a bit of discourse around like
calling her a Disney princess, but she's not a princess
(04:52):
in the show, but she's a Disney princess in terms
of like the.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Being a woman lead show.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And also there's equipping there from how we like again
not spoilersious little ones where he's like, oh, we're doing
different outfits this time. You should have told me, because
she's got a different group or grown up outfit and
he's just in the same He's like, I'm just rocking
these leaves again. Actually, I'm so sad you weren't there
because my favorite thing to do in a movie is
to watch generally in the reaction, I know, I can't
wait to watch it, though, And she goes see on
(05:18):
the big screen to get the full like it looked beautiful.
Like at one stage when they were doing like these
shots of the island of the ocean and stuff, I
was like, it doesn't even look animated. It's so like
perfectly done. It just looks like you're actually on a
beautiful tropical island. So I really did love it. I
think you should take your kids to see it. I
think I might take my nephews again to see it
over because it might take you to say, how old them.
I'll take you to see it because there's some yeah,
(05:41):
really funny moments. I didn't love the songs as much
as the first one, but also I have been like
banging them a Wana soundtrack over and over again since
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah you needed some re listens.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, so obviously lin Manuel Miranda is not involved this
time around, and he was involved with the first soundtrack.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I thought he ought he involved in the live action.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, I do believe so, oh okay, so maybe just
is it gonna take a little while to wamp to
the songs like I did love them, but I didn't
want to like rush out and listen to it like
I did with the first movie. But yeah, apart from
that highly recommend oh can't wait a lot of the time.
I actually can't wait for you to see it. I'd
love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So Sydney Sweeney is making a few waves recently, and
it's all to do with this new interview that she
did with Vanity Fair. So she was asked about this
idea of women supporting each other and what her experience is,
and she gave a really actually really respect her for this.
She gave like a really straightforward answer and didn't kind
of sidestep around the question. So she said, this entire industry,
(06:39):
all people say is women empowering other women, but none
of it's happening. All of it is fake, and it's
a front for all the other stuff they say behind
everyone's back. Oh no, yes, so, and then they went
on to ask her about a particular moment when we
talked about this when it happened.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yes, I actually do remember this.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I love you. You know what I'm gonna say So
in April, a producer called Carol Bam who has produced
a lot of movies and TV shows, including Dead Ringers
and also the greatest movie TV show franchise, Full Time,
Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She does teach and she does
like just like a professor, yes, and she also does
like hosting film screenings, me interview all that sort of stuff.
So this is after a film screening that we're talking
(07:17):
about different actresses at that moment who were like making
waves and whose work they were interested in. And she
said a little bit unprompted, which was an interesting choice
for her to make. But I guess she thought she
was in a room with other film people and didn't
realize there was media there who would report on her comments,
because Variety reported on it. And apparently she said, there's
an actress who everybody loves now, Sidney Sweeney. I don't
get Sidney Sweeney. I was watching on the plane Sidney
(07:39):
Sweeney's movie anyone but you because I wanted to watch
it fair. And then she went on to say that
she's not very pretty and she can't act wide does
everyone think she's so hot?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I think she also said no one could give
me an answer.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, And so there was this conversation in the room then,
which again pretty awful around why Sidney Sweeney was popular.
Was she pretty?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Was she?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
You know? Could she act? All that sort of stuff?
That story went everywhere. Sidney Sweeney's team responded, saying it
was really damaging to see this narrative out there. But
Carrollbaum came back and said that she apologize for it. It
was this whole big situation. So they've asked her about
that and she said it was very disheartening. So Sidney Sweeny,
this is talking to Vanity Fair about the situation a
(08:19):
few months on, said it's very disheartening to see women
tear each other down, especially when women who are successful
in other avenues of their industry see younger talent working
really hard, hoping to achieve whatever dreams they may have,
and then trying to bash and just credit the work
they've done.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah. So when I first heard about this comment that
she made, I think their context about what has happened
to her is so important in this instance, because in isolation,
like hearing a woman in Hollywood say all women do
is tear each other down, sounds so wild because everything
else we've heard is like women saying we need to
(08:56):
hold each other up. But that's probably all she's experienced,
Like she's probably only ever experienced women tearing her down.
Like we only know about this one instance because it
was so public, but we actually don't know like behind
the scenes of what she's been going through. And I
haven't really seen anyone else, like any other woman actually
lifting her up either.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, it's interesting because even though they were talking about
Carol Barm's comments in this article, I really get the
feeling that that's not what she was talking about when
she was talking about a bigger issue of what was
happening behind the scene.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
What do you think she said?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What, Well, it must be people that she's working with,
either on projects that she's worked on or movies she's
trying to get made, especially because she's really in the
production side as well, and she seems really business minded.
I mean, she and her fiance were kind of the
masterminds behind anyone, but you not just getting the movie made,
but all the hype and the press tour around and
how to market it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And Glenpoal even talked about like how doing the press
tool was like an act in itself.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Glenhaw just did what he was told and he was like, anything,
you want me to like flirt with him on a
rede carpet, let's do it. It worked for him.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It works.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But also when you hear Sidney Sweeney like and I
think she does have a team around her who were
sort of helping her, and I think she's been really
open about that, but she's very business minded. It's like
that movie immaculate enough. You've seen that, you don't like
horror movies, the non horror movie. So she auditioned for that. Yeah,
so she auditioned for that movie and then it didn't
go ahead, but she always remembered it as a script
she loved. So when she started working, she started wanting
(10:20):
to produce and make her own films, and when she
was cast in Madam Webb, she used that as a
stepping stone.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Completely, Hey, I kin't of like that movie. It appealed
to like a twelve year old of me who like
used to watch the old soup cheesy superhero TV shows exactly.
That kind of punted. So when she was asked about
the backlash for Madam Webb, her response that was very
interesting because she said it got her in with that studio,
and she when she was working on Madam Webb, she
used as a stepping stone to say, like, I've got
this other movie immaculate, and that's how that movie got made.
(10:51):
So it's like quite an interesting way to look at
her career. So if she's talking about other women like
ripping her down behind the scenes, it could be referring
to like different co stars she's worked with, or it
could be referring to people that she's in negotiations with
behind the scenes who maybe aren't green lighting films with
a young female filmmaker, and maybe that's what she's talkt
key about.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
But it's like really specific when she talks about just
women in general, because I would assume they'd be like
men as well involved in those processes. And it's so true,
Like if she is saying women broadly, then I think
everyone's thinking of like a specific women in general that
she would be talking about, because there have been like
other women in Hollywood or a listers who have always
(11:35):
kind of I wouldn't say targeted women who've targeted them,
but have always had something to clap back to to
women who say something about them. And it reminds me
of I don't know if you remember this, but the
Golden Globes when Tina Fey and Amy Poehla were like,
I don't know, hosting for like a million years in
a raw and I think one of the jokes I
made was about Taylor swear Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
About her going home with young men and there was
like a young actor in the room and they were like,
stay back, Taylor's.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Swiss, like you need time to yourself. And I think
Taylor ssfift did an interview Variety and she was asked
about that and she said there's a special place in
hell for women who don't support other women, which is
a quote from Madeline Albright. But it's like one of
those things where when you're watching the Amy pollin Tina
Fey like that was the lightest comment they made in
(12:22):
that whole whole hosting gig. And it's mainly men that
they attack in those ones, like they go hard. Like
the best joke ever is George Clooney, but we have
the lifetime achievement a war when he's literally married on
while Clooney. Yeah, but I think it's really rare that
we see women in Hollywood clapback and men who make
comments on them, but it's like a different level of
(12:45):
hurt when it's another women.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, one hundred percent. As we always say, the worst
thing you can do is tell someone else that they're
not a girl's guard.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They like, I don't know how she's still like surviving
after that, Like that's the worst comment you can give
to a woman.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, that's why the wicked press to it all comes
back to that. I think has been so geared towards
promoting female friendship and bonds and unity and all that
sort of stuff. And like I said, from I do
believe that they have that bond behind the scenes, but
I think to put it out there, you're really trying
to tap into this thing like everyone wants to believe
there is this idea of like women holding each other
up and supporting each other. And even when I asked
(13:17):
Cynthia and Ariana in the interview, they're like, yeah, like
this is stronger than ever before. Like their take on
it was very different. They're like Cynthia Arriva was saying
to me that like, as women come through into the
entertainment industry, now she thinks they lift each other up
and hold each other up more so than ever before,
and Ariana grind is like, yeah, we're not here to
be fucked with anymore. And I do think that there's
like a big group of women in the industry who
(13:38):
would do that, but I think probably because it's such
a cutthroat industry and you know, you do have to
step over other people.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, if you're auditioning, if you're auditioning for a role,
it's not like you can say I'm just here to
support like everyone else who's auditioning, Like you're fighting for
that role, Like you have to fight before you support.
And I think that's what we as a public don't
see that goes into Hollywood, like they're still fighting like
each other for to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, and also it couldn't even just sit be things
behind the scenes, like you're an actress with power, but
then you also want to attach a male director to
your projects because you know that studios will give you
more money and more clout and more. You know, that
sort of stuff is happening too. That's why I think
it's really interesting that like Nicole Kimman, she does talk
about empowering women, but she doesn't make it this big
catch cry. But behind the scenes she's always working with
(14:25):
female directors, and you have female directors who say like,
oh yeah, Nicole called me and said, I want to
work with you. Just put my name on your next project.
That'll get it across the line. And I think they're
really extreme examples. And I think what Sydney's talking about
is that action behind the scenes, because I think it's
very easy to go onto an interview or a red
carpet or do press and say like, yeah, women support
(14:46):
each other, but like, are you making those calls behind
the scenes. What's interesting about this is that a few
like famous women now being asked about this at events
and on red carpets about her comments in particular, because
it's opened up this whole conversation. So at the recent
El Women in Hollywood Awards, there are a lot of
different actresses there who have been in the industry for
(15:08):
many decades, and because this has becomes like hot topic,
they were being asked about how they think women support
each other in the industry. So in this particular interview,
it was Rita Wilson Melanie Griffiths, mother of Madam Webb's
started Coda a Holi web. It all comes back to
Madam Webb and Rosie O'Donnell, and they were there together
and doing press together because they were presenting an award
to Demi Moore, who was their co star in Now
(15:30):
and Then.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Emotional Incredible Movie.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So it was obviously lovely to see those co stars
back together after all those years. They're doing press together
and a journalist from Access Hollywood asked them about Sydney
Sweeney's comments and said, you know, like, what do you
have to say about this idea that women in Hollywood
are not empowering each other in their fake and this
is what they said.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, he's very challenging exactly, but I can understand what
she feels because when you're young and you're starting out
and everybody puts you in competition with each other. You know,
women before Title nine nineteen seventy three weren't allowed to
play sports. We only had to play against each other.
We didn't learn teamwork.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It's only through.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The era and the attention that that brought. Although it's
not yet in the Democratic convin it's not in the constitution.
We still are half the population, but we don't have
representation in the constitution. It's absurd, but I understand what
she's saying, but I will tell her that this is
thirty years of friendship right here, and it's real and
you can find it in show business if you look.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
And also sometimes just like we had groundbreakers in Gloria
Steinem and Mela Abzugan j Ready for Drown, we had
those groundbreakers, and sometimes the pendulum swims, swings to the
other direction, and sometimes you can forget that there were
(16:49):
people who made sacrifices beforehand. So hopefully Sidney will be
a person who comes around and understands it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He thinks, here, yeah, okay, So that was rosy O'Donnell
and then Rada Wilson and Melanie Gris's is nodding mixed them.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
What a weird question to ask like that? Is that
not a random question to ask these absolute A listers.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
About Sidney Sweeney's comments. Yeah, No, I didn't think so. No,
I think it's fine. Don't you think?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I just think it's so right.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think it's always your kind.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What does Sidney Sweeney have to do with anything?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, Because they're they're promoting like women in Hollywood and
friendship and all that, you know, like they're promoting this
idea that women support each other, and they were being
asked about that. If you watch to kind of fall
into you and they're talking about how they've done that
for each other. So I think it's actually really smart
of a journalist to say, well, you know, you guys
have been in the industry for decades and you're talking
about supporting each other. There's another actress who's making headlines
(17:44):
for saying that she doesn't see that side of Hollywood.
What do you think about it? And I thought their
answers were really interesting. I do think maybe it feels
very like.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Back in my day, like this is like your friendship
was about. I don't like how I think it was
Rita Wilson at the end, how she said hopefully she'll
come around. Yeah, like watch her to come around. Like
if like a woman is not supporting you, like, why
am I expected to come around?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think I mean also just to you know, give
them the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to when
you're getting asked these questions on you know.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
If they haven't like obviously researched is.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Rapid fire, and this kind of rapid fire questioning and
you're know you're getting pulled in this. Photographers and if
you watch the interview, it's like a very busy kind
of event. So I understand why you might not be
able to formulate her a thought. I thought Rosie's point
at first about she can see how that had happened,
because she was a really good point. Yeah, you could
be pitted against each other. But then I also don't
know if their idea of saying, oh, but like we're
(18:36):
all really good friends and if she just looks hard enough,
she'll find friends. And I was like, I don't want
to put words in Sydney Simy's mouth here, but I
don't think she's looking for friends. That's not what I
took away from a comments in the industry. She's looking
for other women to say like, yes, I'll support you
on getting that made, or I'll be in your movie
to like put my name on it, or I'll support
you by doing this for the press too. Are like
actions and not just you know, kind of being in
(18:57):
that bubble of like, but we're all friends, and like
what's the tangible side to it?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, because there's a difference between friends and then like
being in a position to support a friend or support
like a fellow woman. And it's true and I also
think because they have been in the industry for so
long and they're all so successful, Like all of them,
even though they are really really close friends and have
been supporting each other, they're all in those positions of
(19:22):
being able to support each other because they're all so
famous and have so much.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Power, Which is interesting because out of everyone in Hollywood,
like Rosie o'donnald I feel has talked about this idea
of women and jealousy and being pitted against each other,
especially when it comes to her relationship with Ellen Degenerous.
I'm not sure if you're across this, but like she's
given interviews where she's talked about them being friends, and
then she's talked about them having distance from each other
(19:47):
and alluding to the fact that, like when Ellen had
her talk show that she wasn't supporting her and all
these different things happening there, and Rosie had given interviews
after that saying I don't know if it's jealousy or
I don't know if they think there's not room for
like two women who are both lesbians in this space
in Hollywood. But there have been conversations around their changing
(20:09):
relationship and a lot of it Rosy in particular, has
alluded to the fact that a lot of it is
to do with this pressure from the industry about them
being pitted against each other, and then her kind of
inferring that Ellen was a part of that. So I
think that's interesting. I was, like, you've spoken about this
really eloquently in the past, and you've kind of given
us this blueprint of how this can happen when you
have these two women come up as actresses, come out
(20:32):
as gay, face this huge amount of backlash, be trailblazers
in this area, have this conversation about supporting each other,
and then both talk about how it kind of all
went away when their shows were in competition with each other.
Like that's boiling down a very long history just to
a few sentence. There's obviously more to it than that,
but I just think it's interesting that she's talked about that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, it's weird that that, like she didn't bring that
up with the question, not like Ellen and specifically, but
how like she was able to relate so deeply to
that because I think the advice is like an advice
like you'd want from a coworker in the industry, which
is essentially what they are to Sydney Steinty by like
they're all working in the same industry that all women,
(21:13):
and the advice yet seems so mother hen like talking down,
like as to a young actor, like you'll come around,
you'll be okay, you're such a talented actor. And it
just felt like it took away the meaning of her
original comment that like she's actually quite upset that women
don't support her and the world knows about women not
(21:36):
supporting her so publicly, and I think it's kind of
made that more surface level when it's actually quite deep.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Absolutely, And I just think there's still, like I feel
like there has been a little bit of backlash towards
Sidney Sweeney and saying that she's trying to like basically
it's this idea that she could have like turned Hollywood
against her because she's not tolding the company line that
everyone has decided on of saying that you know, we're
supporting each other, we're holding each other up. It's this
like friendship situation that's meant to trump everything. And I
(22:05):
know why so many women are leaning into that. I
think partly is because a lot of these women have
these relationships. But it really does save them from you know,
scandals around press tours and press cycles and this idea
they're being pitted against each other, like you want your
name to be in headlines because of your famous friendships,
especially because when we see people celebrities in particular, having
these friendships, it can really lift their currency and lift
(22:27):
both of their brands. And I think that they're very
aware of that, and the story is going in the
other direction that they're pitted against each other enemies. It
always damages their brand, unless, of course, your Taylor Swift
and you really monetize it and build an empire around
it and all that sort of stuff. But even she
has like really leaned away from that in recent years
because she can see that's not where like the court
of public opinion is going. But I think every time
(22:49):
potentially a woman like steps out of line away from
this thing that like Hollywood has decided, like Sydney Sweeney
saying like, actually women don't support each other, there's a
huge backlash instead of looking into what they're saying, Yeah,
contacts is so important, Yeah, exactly, and it's not exactly
the same thing, but it reminds me of how much
backlash Rachel zeglergot when they asked her about being in Shazam,
and she was like, I just needed a job. And
(23:10):
there was so much backlash because everyone's like, no, that's
not what you say. You say that you wanted to
pay an empowering woman, you wanted to work with Helen
Mirren and Lucy Low and like, yes, those things could
be true, but she also just needed money.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
But also like that's so annoying because it's the public
going Shezam as a shit movie, Rachel Zegler saying I
need a job, and then the whole world going, how
dare you that's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, kind of looking into this idea like that movie
or not even this is a one hundred percent not
the same thing. But even Kim Kardashian at the metgala
saying like, yeah, I starved myself for weeks and didn't
eat and anything to fit into this stress, and there
was so much uproar around that at her instead of
looking at the idea that she had just broken away
from the company line and just being like, oh, I
(23:51):
just run around all the time and I just look
like this, instead of saying like, oh, there's actually a
bigger problem behind the scenes here that we should address,
like you attack the woman and not the situation. And
I think that's what's happening with Sidney Sweeney a little bit.
But I just I have a real newfound respect for her.
I do wish she would.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Make That's a brave comment to see, and there's a.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Brave comment to say, especially when you're working in that
industry where you you're like potentially upsetting people in powerful
positions who you need to kind of push your career forward.
And we're just not. Not from a bitchy point of view,
I mean that as well, but I would love to
know more details on her of what she actually means
by that and what she's saying, just to understand.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
She needs a memoir, right Yeah, but not because I.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Want to hear that she's fighting the Zendea or anything
like that, which I actually don't think if you think
is what she's putting out there. I would love to
have her to say, like it was a person at
this studio, this executive, or it was this director who
wouldn't do this or something like that, to understand where
the Web is coming from and Madam Web, the Madamsack
to matter, what great movie, but Yeah, I just think
it's interesting. And I also think just like, let women
(24:48):
say interesting things and interviews, especially young women, let them
have opinions, and so we get out of the cycle
of bland press interviews because they're so worried that any
little thing they're going to say is going to be
taken and blown up like this comment was.
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Speaker 2 (25:21):
Bye Bye
So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
On From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily
pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Broadway.
Did you hear I went on a bit of a
different inclination there for the intro.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I did not pick that up. But I'm proud of
you for taking chances and big swings.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, I try something to do. On today's show, Sydney
Sweeney made a comment about women in Hollywood recently and
it's gone absolutely viral. We are talking about that as
well as all the reactions that have come out of that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But first, but first, While you are often seeing a
Paul having a fancy time, I was also doing big,
exciting things.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Because I went to the Mawana two premiere, I'm so jealous.
I actually thought you would be.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I love Moana so much.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Where are we going? Before more, we saw Tiffeti's heart.
Ancestors wanted to connect our island to all the people
of the entire ocean. It's my job, as we find it,
to finish what they started.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wanna how people just how far we will go?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This is a call from the ancestors hidden in a
terrible storm. It's an ancient island sitting foot on its sands,
would break the curse, bring.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Our people together again.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
They know what I have to do. Moi, I could
really use your help.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Does it hold up to mona one?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That is a complicated and complex question. So first I
should say I'm a really big Molana fan. I don't
have children, obviously, but you know what, I appreciate a
great soundtrack and also a nice story, and you know,
the character is how fuck It's like the one in
the room. So I interviewed many years ago for a
different project, Alihi Vero Vulet who voices Moana.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
She was Girls.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's right, she was in Megirls is a priet it.
This is for a TV show she did. And it
was so funny because often I come out into the
office and I say like, oh, I've got to go
interview this person or that person, and people are like, oh, yeah, whatever,
you know movie stars, we don't care. And when I
said I've got to go interview the voice of Moana,
like literally, the reaction in the room was so intense,
like a So this is the sequel to the twenty
(02:33):
sixty movie. I think was originally going to be like
they always wanted to do a follow up because wait,
wasn't that sixteen Yeah, I know what that.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Was before I sort of working here.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well it really yes, Oh my god, we didn't know
each other before Mowana existed.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
To me, I felt like it was like three years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
No, no, no, it was a while ago, because I
think it was a bit of a delay in production. Obviously,
it takes long time to get an animated movie together,
but I think for a while there it was going
to be a TV series, like an animated series, but
I'm glad they wouldn't have been blockbuster feature release. So
it picks up a couple of years after the events
of the first movie, and it's got like the original
voice cast. So Dwaine the Rock Johnson as Maui his
(03:13):
favorite role to date because he's also starring in the
live action movie.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He's gonna look so good in that. Oh my god,
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I actually because I was a big Molana fan of
the original, both the storyline. Then I listened to the
soundtrack all the time, not just how Far I Go,
which is an absolute banger of a song. It's my
favorite I'm walking to work because it makes me feel.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Like, you know what you are going far?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I go far, I'm doing the work to work, just
sit at my desk, but just all the songs in
that So this one, okay review time, I did really
like it. I think there was like a certain magic
of being back in that world and being back with
these characters, and it's very funny. It's probably it's a
bit more slapstick almost than the original, But does that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Mean it's I skewed younger, No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's still got very kind of adult themes in terms
of Moana kind of gets this call up from the
wave writer ancestors and she has to go and find
that idea of the first movie where she found out
her people were actually voyagers and they weren't just you know,
going to be locked on this island and she made
friends with the ocean really beautiful, and this is about
her this time. She assembles a crew of like different villagers,
(04:20):
so that's fun to have like these new characters, and
they go off from this voyage to find other people
and find this island like save her people, which is
really nice, and then she and Maw we reconnect and
it's a fun time.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I sh look older.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and there's actually a really funny joke. There's a
few funny jokes in there that are light little winks
to people who are very into Marjana fandom, like not spoilers.
But there's a point where now his character goes like, oh,
she's not a princess, but that's been hotly debated, and
I laughed. I was the only one that sin of
my Another kids laughed. Another adults laughed. I laughed at
that because there's been a bit of discourse around like
calling her a Disney princess, but she's not a princess
(04:52):
in the show, but she's a Disney princess in terms
of like the.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Being a woman lead show.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And also there's equipping there from how we like again
not spoilersious little ones where he's like, oh, we're doing
different outfits this time. You should have told me, because
she's got a different group or grown up outfit and
he's just in the same He's like, I'm just rocking
these leaves again. Actually, I'm so sad you weren't there
because my favorite thing to do in a movie is
to watch generally in the reaction, I know, I can't
wait to watch it, though, And she goes see on
(05:18):
the big screen to get the full like it looked beautiful.
Like at one stage when they were doing like these
shots of the island of the ocean and stuff, I
was like, it doesn't even look animated. It's so like
perfectly done. It just looks like you're actually on a
beautiful tropical island. So I really did love it. I
think you should take your kids to see it. I
think I might take my nephews again to see it
over because it might take you to say, how old them.
I'll take you to see it because there's some yeah,
(05:41):
really funny moments. I didn't love the songs as much
as the first one, but also I have been like
banging them a Wana soundtrack over and over again since
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah you needed some re listens.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, so obviously lin Manuel Miranda is not involved this
time around, and he was involved with the first soundtrack.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I thought he ought he involved in the live action.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, I do believe so, oh okay, so maybe just
is it gonna take a little while to wamp to
the songs like I did love them, but I didn't
want to like rush out and listen to it like
I did with the first movie. But yeah, apart from
that highly recommend oh can't wait a lot of the time.
I actually can't wait for you to see it. I'd
love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So Sydney Sweeney is making a few waves recently, and
it's all to do with this new interview that she
did with Vanity Fair. So she was asked about this
idea of women supporting each other and what her experience is,
and she gave a really actually really respect her for this.
She gave like a really straightforward answer and didn't kind
of sidestep around the question. So she said, this entire industry,
(06:39):
all people say is women empowering other women, but none
of it's happening. All of it is fake, and it's
a front for all the other stuff they say behind
everyone's back. Oh no, yes, so, and then they went
on to ask her about a particular moment when we
talked about this when it happened.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yes, I actually do remember this.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I love you. You know what I'm gonna say So
in April, a producer called Carol Bam who has produced
a lot of movies and TV shows, including Dead Ringers
and also the greatest movie TV show franchise, Full Time,
Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She does teach and she does
like just like a professor, yes, and she also does
like hosting film screenings, me interview all that sort of stuff.
So this is after a film screening that we're talking
(07:17):
about different actresses at that moment who were like making
waves and whose work they were interested in. And she
said a little bit unprompted, which was an interesting choice
for her to make. But I guess she thought she
was in a room with other film people and didn't
realize there was media there who would report on her comments,
because Variety reported on it. And apparently she said, there's
an actress who everybody loves now, Sidney Sweeney. I don't
get Sidney Sweeney. I was watching on the plane Sidney
(07:39):
Sweeney's movie anyone but you because I wanted to watch
it fair. And then she went on to say that
she's not very pretty and she can't act wide does
everyone think she's so hot?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I think she also said no one could give
me an answer.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, And so there was this conversation in the room then,
which again pretty awful around why Sidney Sweeney was popular.
Was she pretty?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Was she?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
You know? Could she act? All that sort of stuff?
That story went everywhere. Sidney Sweeney's team responded, saying it
was really damaging to see this narrative out there. But
Carrollbaum came back and said that she apologize for it. It
was this whole big situation. So they've asked her about
that and she said it was very disheartening. So Sidney Sweeny,
this is talking to Vanity Fair about the situation a
(08:19):
few months on, said it's very disheartening to see women
tear each other down, especially when women who are successful
in other avenues of their industry see younger talent working
really hard, hoping to achieve whatever dreams they may have,
and then trying to bash and just credit the work
they've done.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah. So when I first heard about this comment that
she made, I think their context about what has happened
to her is so important in this instance, because in isolation,
like hearing a woman in Hollywood say all women do
is tear each other down, sounds so wild because everything
else we've heard is like women saying we need to
(08:56):
hold each other up. But that's probably all she's experienced,
Like she's probably only ever experienced women tearing her down.
Like we only know about this one instance because it
was so public, but we actually don't know like behind
the scenes of what she's been going through. And I
haven't really seen anyone else, like any other woman actually
lifting her up either.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, it's interesting because even though they were talking about
Carol Barm's comments in this article, I really get the
feeling that that's not what she was talking about when
she was talking about a bigger issue of what was
happening behind the scene.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
What do you think she said?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What, Well, it must be people that she's working with,
either on projects that she's worked on or movies she's
trying to get made, especially because she's really in the
production side as well, and she seems really business minded.
I mean, she and her fiance were kind of the
masterminds behind anyone, but you not just getting the movie made,
but all the hype and the press tour around and
how to market it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And Glenpoal even talked about like how doing the press
tool was like an act in itself.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Glenhaw just did what he was told and he was like, anything,
you want me to like flirt with him on a
rede carpet, let's do it. It worked for him.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It works.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But also when you hear Sidney Sweeney like and I
think she does have a team around her who were
sort of helping her, and I think she's been really
open about that, but she's very business minded. It's like
that movie immaculate enough. You've seen that, you don't like
horror movies, the non horror movie. So she auditioned for that. Yeah,
so she auditioned for that movie and then it didn't
go ahead, but she always remembered it as a script
she loved. So when she started working, she started wanting
(10:20):
to produce and make her own films, and when she
was cast in Madam Webb, she used that as a
stepping stone.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Completely, Hey, I kin't of like that movie. It appealed
to like a twelve year old of me who like
used to watch the old soup cheesy superhero TV shows exactly.
That kind of punted. So when she was asked about
the backlash for Madam Webb, her response that was very
interesting because she said it got her in with that studio,
and she when she was working on Madam Webb, she
used as a stepping stone to say, like, I've got
this other movie immaculate, and that's how that movie got made.
(10:51):
So it's like quite an interesting way to look at
her career. So if she's talking about other women like
ripping her down behind the scenes, it could be referring
to like different co stars she's worked with, or it
could be referring to people that she's in negotiations with
behind the scenes who maybe aren't green lighting films with
a young female filmmaker, and maybe that's what she's talkt
key about.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
But it's like really specific when she talks about just
women in general, because I would assume they'd be like
men as well involved in those processes. And it's so true,
Like if she is saying women broadly, then I think
everyone's thinking of like a specific women in general that
she would be talking about, because there have been like
other women in Hollywood or a listers who have always
(11:35):
kind of I wouldn't say targeted women who've targeted them,
but have always had something to clap back to to
women who say something about them. And it reminds me
of I don't know if you remember this, but the
Golden Globes when Tina Fey and Amy Poehla were like,
I don't know, hosting for like a million years in
a raw and I think one of the jokes I
made was about Taylor swear Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
About her going home with young men and there was
like a young actor in the room and they were like,
stay back, Taylor's.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Swiss, like you need time to yourself. And I think
Taylor ssfift did an interview Variety and she was asked
about that and she said there's a special place in
hell for women who don't support other women, which is
a quote from Madeline Albright. But it's like one of
those things where when you're watching the Amy pollin Tina
Fey like that was the lightest comment they made in
(12:22):
that whole whole hosting gig. And it's mainly men that
they attack in those ones, like they go hard. Like
the best joke ever is George Clooney, but we have
the lifetime achievement a war when he's literally married on
while Clooney. Yeah, but I think it's really rare that
we see women in Hollywood clapback and men who make
comments on them, but it's like a different level of
(12:45):
hurt when it's another women.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, one hundred percent. As we always say, the worst
thing you can do is tell someone else that they're
not a girl's guard.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They like, I don't know how she's still like surviving
after that, Like that's the worst comment you can give
to a woman.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, that's why the wicked press to it all comes
back to that. I think has been so geared towards
promoting female friendship and bonds and unity and all that
sort of stuff. And like I said, from I do
believe that they have that bond behind the scenes, but
I think to put it out there, you're really trying
to tap into this thing like everyone wants to believe
there is this idea of like women holding each other
up and supporting each other. And even when I asked
(13:17):
Cynthia and Ariana in the interview, they're like, yeah, like
this is stronger than ever before. Like their take on
it was very different. They're like Cynthia Arriva was saying
to me that like, as women come through into the
entertainment industry, now she thinks they lift each other up
and hold each other up more so than ever before,
and Ariana grind is like, yeah, we're not here to
be fucked with anymore. And I do think that there's
like a big group of women in the industry who
(13:38):
would do that, but I think probably because it's such
a cutthroat industry and you know, you do have to
step over other people.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, if you're auditioning, if you're auditioning for a role,
it's not like you can say I'm just here to
support like everyone else who's auditioning, Like you're fighting for
that role, Like you have to fight before you support.
And I think that's what we as a public don't
see that goes into Hollywood, like they're still fighting like
each other for to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, and also it couldn't even just sit be things
behind the scenes, like you're an actress with power, but
then you also want to attach a male director to
your projects because you know that studios will give you
more money and more clout and more. You know, that
sort of stuff is happening too. That's why I think
it's really interesting that like Nicole Kimman, she does talk
about empowering women, but she doesn't make it this big
catch cry. But behind the scenes she's always working with
(14:25):
female directors, and you have female directors who say like,
oh yeah, Nicole called me and said, I want to
work with you. Just put my name on your next project.
That'll get it across the line. And I think they're
really extreme examples. And I think what Sydney's talking about
is that action behind the scenes, because I think it's
very easy to go onto an interview or a red
carpet or do press and say like, yeah, women support
(14:46):
each other, but like, are you making those calls behind
the scenes. What's interesting about this is that a few
like famous women now being asked about this at events
and on red carpets about her comments in particular, because
it's opened up this whole conversation. So at the recent
El Women in Hollywood Awards, there are a lot of
different actresses there who have been in the industry for
(15:08):
many decades, and because this has becomes like hot topic,
they were being asked about how they think women support
each other in the industry. So in this particular interview,
it was Rita Wilson Melanie Griffiths, mother of Madam Webb's
started Coda a Holi web. It all comes back to
Madam Webb and Rosie O'Donnell, and they were there together
and doing press together because they were presenting an award
to Demi Moore, who was their co star in Now
(15:30):
and Then.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Emotional Incredible Movie.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So it was obviously lovely to see those co stars
back together after all those years. They're doing press together
and a journalist from Access Hollywood asked them about Sydney
Sweeney's comments and said, you know, like, what do you
have to say about this idea that women in Hollywood
are not empowering each other in their fake and this
is what they said.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, he's very challenging exactly, but I can understand what
she feels because when you're young and you're starting out
and everybody puts you in competition with each other. You know,
women before Title nine nineteen seventy three weren't allowed to
play sports. We only had to play against each other.
We didn't learn teamwork.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It's only through.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The era and the attention that that brought. Although it's
not yet in the Democratic convin it's not in the constitution.
We still are half the population, but we don't have
representation in the constitution. It's absurd, but I understand what
she's saying, but I will tell her that this is
thirty years of friendship right here, and it's real and
you can find it in show business if you look.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
And also sometimes just like we had groundbreakers in Gloria
Steinem and Mela Abzugan j Ready for Drown, we had
those groundbreakers, and sometimes the pendulum swims, swings to the
other direction, and sometimes you can forget that there were
(16:49):
people who made sacrifices beforehand. So hopefully Sidney will be
a person who comes around and understands it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He thinks, here, yeah, okay, So that was rosy O'Donnell
and then Rada Wilson and Melanie Gris's is nodding mixed them.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
What a weird question to ask like that? Is that
not a random question to ask these absolute A listers.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
About Sidney Sweeney's comments. Yeah, No, I didn't think so. No,
I think it's fine. Don't you think?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I just think it's so right.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think it's always your kind.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What does Sidney Sweeney have to do with anything?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, Because they're they're promoting like women in Hollywood and
friendship and all that, you know, like they're promoting this
idea that women support each other, and they were being
asked about that. If you watch to kind of fall
into you and they're talking about how they've done that
for each other. So I think it's actually really smart
of a journalist to say, well, you know, you guys
have been in the industry for decades and you're talking
about supporting each other. There's another actress who's making headlines
(17:44):
for saying that she doesn't see that side of Hollywood.
What do you think about it? And I thought their
answers were really interesting. I do think maybe it feels
very like.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Back in my day, like this is like your friendship
was about. I don't like how I think it was
Rita Wilson at the end, how she said hopefully she'll
come around. Yeah, like watch her to come around. Like
if like a woman is not supporting you, like, why
am I expected to come around?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think I mean also just to you know, give
them the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to when
you're getting asked these questions on you know.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
If they haven't like obviously researched is.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Rapid fire, and this kind of rapid fire questioning and
you're know you're getting pulled in this. Photographers and if
you watch the interview, it's like a very busy kind
of event. So I understand why you might not be
able to formulate her a thought. I thought Rosie's point
at first about she can see how that had happened,
because she was a really good point. Yeah, you could
be pitted against each other. But then I also don't
know if their idea of saying, oh, but like we're
(18:36):
all really good friends and if she just looks hard enough,
she'll find friends. And I was like, I don't want
to put words in Sydney Simy's mouth here, but I
don't think she's looking for friends. That's not what I
took away from a comments in the industry. She's looking
for other women to say like, yes, I'll support you
on getting that made, or I'll be in your movie
to like put my name on it, or I'll support
you by doing this for the press too. Are like
actions and not just you know, kind of being in
(18:57):
that bubble of like, but we're all friends, and like
what's the tangible side to it?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, because there's a difference between friends and then like
being in a position to support a friend or support
like a fellow woman. And it's true and I also
think because they have been in the industry for so
long and they're all so successful, Like all of them,
even though they are really really close friends and have
been supporting each other, they're all in those positions of
(19:22):
being able to support each other because they're all so
famous and have so much.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Power, Which is interesting because out of everyone in Hollywood,
like Rosie o'donnald I feel has talked about this idea
of women and jealousy and being pitted against each other,
especially when it comes to her relationship with Ellen Degenerous.
I'm not sure if you're across this, but like she's
given interviews where she's talked about them being friends, and
then she's talked about them having distance from each other
(19:47):
and alluding to the fact that, like when Ellen had
her talk show that she wasn't supporting her and all
these different things happening there, and Rosie had given interviews
after that saying I don't know if it's jealousy or
I don't know if they think there's not room for
like two women who are both lesbians in this space
in Hollywood. But there have been conversations around their changing
(20:09):
relationship and a lot of it Rosy in particular, has
alluded to the fact that a lot of it is
to do with this pressure from the industry about them
being pitted against each other, and then her kind of
inferring that Ellen was a part of that. So I
think that's interesting. I was, like, you've spoken about this
really eloquently in the past, and you've kind of given
us this blueprint of how this can happen when you
have these two women come up as actresses, come out
(20:32):
as gay, face this huge amount of backlash, be trailblazers
in this area, have this conversation about supporting each other,
and then both talk about how it kind of all
went away when their shows were in competition with each other.
Like that's boiling down a very long history just to
a few sentence. There's obviously more to it than that,
but I just think it's interesting that she's talked about that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, it's weird that that, like she didn't bring that
up with the question, not like Ellen and specifically, but
how like she was able to relate so deeply to
that because I think the advice is like an advice
like you'd want from a coworker in the industry, which
is essentially what they are to Sydney Steinty by like
they're all working in the same industry that all women,
(21:13):
and the advice yet seems so mother hen like talking down,
like as to a young actor, like you'll come around,
you'll be okay, you're such a talented actor. And it
just felt like it took away the meaning of her
original comment that like she's actually quite upset that women
don't support her and the world knows about women not
(21:36):
supporting her so publicly, and I think it's kind of
made that more surface level when it's actually quite deep.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Absolutely, And I just think there's still, like I feel
like there has been a little bit of backlash towards
Sidney Sweeney and saying that she's trying to like basically
it's this idea that she could have like turned Hollywood
against her because she's not tolding the company line that
everyone has decided on of saying that you know, we're
supporting each other, we're holding each other up. It's this
like friendship situation that's meant to trump everything. And I
(22:05):
know why so many women are leaning into that. I
think partly is because a lot of these women have
these relationships. But it really does save them from you know,
scandals around press tours and press cycles and this idea
they're being pitted against each other, like you want your
name to be in headlines because of your famous friendships,
especially because when we see people celebrities in particular, having
these friendships, it can really lift their currency and lift
(22:27):
both of their brands. And I think that they're very
aware of that, and the story is going in the
other direction that they're pitted against each other enemies. It
always damages their brand, unless, of course, your Taylor Swift
and you really monetize it and build an empire around
it and all that sort of stuff. But even she
has like really leaned away from that in recent years
because she can see that's not where like the court
of public opinion is going. But I think every time
(22:49):
potentially a woman like steps out of line away from
this thing that like Hollywood has decided, like Sydney Sweeney
saying like, actually women don't support each other, there's a
huge backlash instead of looking into what they're saying, Yeah,
contacts is so important, Yeah, exactly, and it's not exactly
the same thing, but it reminds me of how much
backlash Rachel zeglergot when they asked her about being in Shazam,
and she was like, I just needed a job. And
(23:10):
there was so much backlash because everyone's like, no, that's
not what you say. You say that you wanted to
pay an empowering woman, you wanted to work with Helen
Mirren and Lucy Low and like, yes, those things could
be true, but she also just needed money.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
But also like that's so annoying because it's the public
going Shezam as a shit movie, Rachel Zegler saying I
need a job, and then the whole world going, how
dare you that's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, kind of looking into this idea like that movie
or not even this is a one hundred percent not
the same thing. But even Kim Kardashian at the metgala
saying like, yeah, I starved myself for weeks and didn't
eat and anything to fit into this stress, and there
was so much uproar around that at her instead of
looking at the idea that she had just broken away
from the company line and just being like, oh, I
(23:51):
just run around all the time and I just look
like this, instead of saying like, oh, there's actually a
bigger problem behind the scenes here that we should address,
like you attack the woman and not the situation. And
I think that's what's happening with Sidney Sweeney a little bit.
But I just I have a real newfound respect for her.
I do wish she would.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Make That's a brave comment to see, and there's a.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Brave comment to say, especially when you're working in that
industry where you you're like potentially upsetting people in powerful
positions who you need to kind of push your career forward.
And we're just not. Not from a bitchy point of view,
I mean that as well, but I would love to
know more details on her of what she actually means
by that and what she's saying, just to understand.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
She needs a memoir, right Yeah, but not because I.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Want to hear that she's fighting the Zendea or anything
like that, which I actually don't think if you think
is what she's putting out there. I would love to
have her to say, like it was a person at
this studio, this executive, or it was this director who
wouldn't do this or something like that, to understand where
the Web is coming from and Madam Web, the Madamsack
to matter, what great movie, but Yeah, I just think
it's interesting. And I also think just like, let women
(24:48):
say interesting things and interviews, especially young women, let them
have opinions, and so we get out of the cycle
of bland press interviews because they're so worried that any
little thing they're going to say is going to be
taken and blown up like this comment was.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
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Speaker 2 (25:21):
Bye Bye
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