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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this bill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Bredney and I'm and coming up
on the show today. Emily and I have had a
very turbulent week in our friendship and professional relationship.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It feels like we did this a year ago. I
know spill is un not aware of what we've just
been through.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh yeah, exactly what unless I follow us on Inston
and then they'll have a little idea. But Emily and
I went to event this week that was designed to
scare the shit out of you. To put it politely,
me personally, you personally. We had a little bit of
an altercation that we'll get into. We're ready to speak
on it. We're ready to air our truth. But also
this is all wrapped up in an incredible TV show
recommendation that we have for you, so stay tuned for that. Plus,
(01:03):
Jennifer Lawrence is back on the press circuit for her
new movie, and she's given a very intense interview telling
why she stepped away from the spotlight other things in
her life. Well, we have some very complicated feelings about
that that we're going to get into.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But first, our producer Minisha says she has something to
flag with the team, with you, the spillers and with us.
So I guess you're ow. You're in our podcast whip
right now. I guess so. Welcome to our planning meeting.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Yes, so, yesterday we were looking around for stories and
our boss Georgie comes across this article about Frankie Munez
having a feud with Hillary Duff and coming clean about
the fact that they haven't spoken for twenty two years.
He went on this podcast and spoke about this feud
that they have, and that reminded me of one Laura Brodnick,
because you also famously have a feud with Hillary Duff.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
How dare you speak on this to me? Dare you
bring this up?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
We'll link the episode in the show notes for you
to get the full story behind the Hillary Duff feud.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think his maybe runs a little deeper than yours.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, just because I mean, I'm spreading a lot of
false information here and you're helping me. Is that Hillary Duff.
I have to make so clear it doesn't no way exist.
It's just that she and I have had a long,
complicated history on my part where I've gone to interview
her many times, both virtual and in person, in conversation
on stage, and every time she's locked in for an
event over the last few years and my name has
(02:24):
been added to the list, all of a sudden she
can't do it. She's blown me off multiple multiple times
on multiple projects, all culminating in me jumping on a
plane to fly to New York to attend the launch
party for her TV show and interview her afterwards. She's
locked and loaded, she's ready to go, And as I
got on the plane, I find out she's not coming.
(02:45):
And I was a last minute addition to that event.
I found out I was flying to New York the
night before. So, yeah, do you think she listens to
the pop I was even doing the pod there. This
is this is such a long feud.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It's almost as long as Frankie's feud with her, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So when you said Frankie Minez has a feud with Hillery, do.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
What?
Speaker 6 (03:04):
I don't think you're in a feud with her. I
think you're in a feud with her mom.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh my god, that makes so much sense you hear
this story.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Oh yeah, much like Frankie because their feud runs deep
because her mum is apparently was a real stage mom
back in the day and over wrote what he wanted
for her to be playing opposite him when they were
doing casting in Agent Cody Banks, and apparently that is
what sparked the whole feud and they haven't spoken for
like two decades, much like you. Yes, it did get
(03:33):
me thinking about you and Frankie having a lot of similarities. Wow,
because some other things did come up so obviously he
is famously from Malcolm in the Middle.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, you're a middle child.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'm a middle child to the extent of like I
even have it in my Instagram bio, and I get
so many requests to go on like talk shows or
podcasts and talk about being a middle child. And I've
had to like step away, that cannot be my entire
personality because you're very middle I'm such a middle child.
I've got two sisters and a brother, so it's four.
But I've read studies that say you can only have
middle child syndrome, which I really have if you're the middle,
(04:05):
and you have a sibling of similar sex on either side,
because in my family, like middle child syndrome comes out
when you're not important. He's a great assult guys. I'm
not an expert. This is just something I fueled up
over childhood. Like my older sister is special because she's
the oldest, My little sister is special because she's the littlest.
My brother is special because he's the only boy. And
as they told me growing up, I am nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So that happened a week. Yeah, much like Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's not math because those four people in his family,
but he is in the middle, and he has siblings
of the same sexy You.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Guys are in the exact same spot as me.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Malcom of the exact same person, two older, one younger.
I did find that show a little traumatizing what she
growing up like.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's meant to be a comedy, but like really badly,
and I really feel for him other similarities.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
There's more.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I thought there was enough.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think you guys are the same age.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
I'm not going to out years older. I was older
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I thinks maybe a year older.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
How old is he forty?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, he's thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's a year older.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
He's a year old.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's basically the same age.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You've both made dramatic career pivots.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So you were famously a crime court reporter, and then
you pivoted to entertainment.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He went from acting to race car driving.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Oh, it is the same thing, very much the same thing.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
He wasn't good at race car driving though, well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And then there are a few other things that I
found out about him, and I thought I'd just put
them to you and see if they re So I
picked ones where I was like, I could see this
being the case for you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This could either go really badly for you, potentially could end.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Have you ever been in a community production of a
Christmas Carol?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
No, I've been in community productions, but not of that
specific show. He never played tiny close. No, I'm too
taught to be tiny Tim. He's quite sure. That's the
only reason I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Okay, Any instruments growing off, any musical instrument, or if
you could pick a musical instrument, what would you play.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So I play guitar in high school, and I my
friends mine tried to start a band and someone needed
to play the drums.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But I was so good at it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Thank you the drummer, and his actual dream.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I was never actually we never performed. I just tried
to do it. And I had the little drum, not
even the full drum. Kick didn't have that, had the
little drum, Like you could buy the bass and the sticks,
and at lunch time I tried, did you get the pick?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
I just got there.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That was his dream as a kid. Both he wanted
to be a drummer.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well we both touched drum sticks. Yeah, and we both
failed at being a drummer. That's important to note.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
This next one is potentially a bit of a reach,
okaycause the other seven been. So if you were going
to make a salad and you opened your.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Feels like a girlfriend magazine quiz.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
If you were going to make such here, what am
I doing in this situation?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
When you can answer this too, and you were going to,
I don't want to, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That was oldest child energy from Emily.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I am the oldest child.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
No, I know.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That's why you gave that energy because you were just like, well,
I'm actually involved in this.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm a charge.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So back to the salad.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yes, you have to pick two ingredients out of your pantry.
Two bottled ingredients. What are you picking?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Like?
Speaker 5 (07:05):
What are you grabbing to make yourself? They're both in
bottles as in like dressing, Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Going to be someone So I don't make my own
salad dressing. I just buy different Yeah okay, but.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
What bottles do you buy?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
A simple? Like a simple that you're just tossing together
a salad? What are you adding?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Why has this stumped me so much?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Just basic?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Like about samic Maybe yeah, I guess, So I don't know.
I'm such a basic I like, yeah, and yeah, an
olive oil?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I guess, would you say olive oil?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
They are.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm just thinking now they are the literally only two
things in my pantry because the other ones I have
all the pre mixed sellard dressings. Not me trying to
defend my salad choices. Okay, Well, I'm famous in the
office for making really good salads.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That's why I don't want to be outed.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's kind of why I went down this road.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
So Frankie actually has a side business, running an olive
oil and vinegar shop in Scottsdale, Arizona with his wife.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
This is so dumb, okay, Beckham with a side.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I gave you that answer.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Maybe if you and Frankie, are you the frankness?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Okay, I only have one more? So where would you say?
Like cake ranks for you as a dessert?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Cake? High up? Would you say high up? Would you
say number one? Would you say ever?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Just I feel like you're leading the witness. I can't
tell either. I think cake would be maybe a second
or third, because like ice creams or chocolate ice cream cake,
so it's third.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Have you ever eaten an entire cake as the sun rises?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I don't think anyone should do that, you know what?
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't think you've ever been awake for the sun?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I have? I was? I actually think I have eaten
a whole cake and the sun rises. But it's coming.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That is so niche.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
She's so as franky that it's so niche that you've
done that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You ever come home from a while night out with
your friends and like someone's birthday and the sun's coming up,
and then you sit down and eat the cake and
have like the leftover drinks.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Now you get like a HSP what you get like
a halal snackpack or like a kebab?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You know, no, but if you've been you're at a
birthday party or something or someone's wedding and like you're
watching that. No, I never get up to see the
sun I'm always seeing it as I go to bed, right,
and that's perfect cake time. Well, soak that last little
bit of alcohol up. You'll have a much better sleep.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Actually that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Does makes sense well because Frankie doesn't drink, or it
doesn't have a different bit of a difference. But he
has confessed that one of his vices is that once
he ate an entire cake as the sunrise is.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
He tweeted about it. Oh, I've gone very deep into cranky.
I'm gonna leave it there because I feel like it's
starting to not line up. But it was a strong theory.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, just to bring it back full circle, I
do think that the Hillary dufflink is the strongest one
between us and I want to hear and I actually
get in contact and trying to talk about it over
drinks and cay because I mean, I would love to
know if Hillary because famously Hillary's mom, there's like documentaries
about this and stuff like or like people have done
a lot of interviews that her mum moved her to
La to be this huge star was super controlling, and
(09:50):
her mum has been blamed for the reason we didn't
get a second Lizzie Maguire movie because her mum, like
when this first one was so successful her mum allegedly,
but a lot of people have gone on record to
say this came in and like made all these huge demands.
I mean, Hillary is ever going to talk to me? Now,
I'm telling a story. But anyway, Mail's huge demands. Wanted
to produce a credit won balls of money for her,
and so they ended up saying, like, don't worry about
making the movie. The mom's two big to deal with.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Maybe the way also that you've dealt with your Hillary
duff feud and him and how he's dealt with his
fud is because you're both middle children. So the way
you approach dealing and coping with this feud and like
holding onto the resentment, maybe that's a middle.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Child being maybe been talking about it publicly.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They're filming the reboot of Malcolm and the Miller at
the moment, are they?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Do you know that I did not know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That what he's doing he was on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh yeah, the whole fans back, even Brian Kranst did,
and Brian Cranston did not need to do that. He's
doing it because he's like those boys and my sons
and I want to hang out love.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
I love every single person in that show.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, they're all back. I'm so they're doing a reboot.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I cannot believe you didn't know that. Oh my god,
wait for rest. But like this, I feel this whole segment.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Just have to do it, honest review.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I was like, let's get Frankie Munez on the pod
because he was doing press.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
You won't get Hillary.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, or we bring Hillary on and we all have
it out, the three.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Of us and leave us a comment on how similar
out of ten you think Laura and frank are based
on that analysis.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Should put up my face. We should put our faces
those programs and see what we look like.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
If we were child would look like. Yeah, they'd probably
be average.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Height because the average because he's so short and I'm
so tall, so would be average.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
That average heighed drama.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That's all we need.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah. Okay, So speaking of a little event that you
and I went to this week, So a few weeks ago,
a red balloon appeared in our office. Yep, I don't
know if you saw it. I walked towards the mail
table where all of our mail gets put, and across
the room, I just saw the singular red balloon floating
up and I instantly knew it was for me, Yeah,
(11:45):
because I knew what it would symbolize. And as I
near the mail desk, I saw that the singular red
balloon was attached to an invitation to a very special screening.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I saw the balloon probably a few days later. I
was getting a bit flaccity.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I had it hanging my desk, and then someone took
it down because they said it was too scary.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Oh, because well, I mean, your desk is surrounded by
the booboo, so if anything scary.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I actually did point that out to the person
who made the comment, because I'm famously quite terrified of
bla booze.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It was an.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Imitation to the premiere of the new HBO Max series
It Welcome to Derry and If Anyone's on a cross It.
It was originally a story by one of my favorite
authors of all times, Stephen King, was turned into a
very iconic mini series and it was made into two
kind of big screen movies that came out in twenty seventeen,
so it and then IT chapter two in twenty nineteen.
(12:34):
So this new series, it Welcome to Derry, is a
prequel series to those last two movies that we got.
The biggest link being that Bill scarrisguard of the Hot
Scar's Guard Family, played penny Wise in those movies and
he is reprising his role as penny Wise in this
prequel series.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And he's also an executive producer. Yeah, and as a
most Manda a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
What I really loved about this series before even like
watching it, before we get into that, was that they're
making it like a huge Stephen King universe.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yes, like it's like all.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Of Stephen King's novels are like kind of it's in
that same there's a little thread story, yeah, like you
see like the Shawshank like bus and stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
It's I think it just also looks so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Oh, it's filmed beautifully, And that's such a thing for
Stephen King fans, like so many of his books or
his short stories or his adaptations his works is one
of the most adapted of all times from any author.
With all the movies and the TV shows that are
often little because a lot of them are set in
the same place. All of them are set in Maine.
A lot of them have different character names or like
little links that come through.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So you'll watch a movie and you'll be like, Oh,
there's the bike from that or there's that.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You're just like, it's a beautiful universe to be a
part of, even though it's terrifying. So the premiere had
a really unique premise which I hadn't seen before in
that on the invitation had the option of two screenings
that we could attend. One was the safe mode where
you could go to the earlier screening and you could
have a really chill time. Nothing would happen to you.
It's for real scaredy cats. Yeah, people with no backbone,
(14:04):
I want to say, people with no gumption, people who.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Don't want to face the realities of life. Went to
that screen.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
CEO and I'm getting a him. And then the other
option was for the latest screening, which was the scream
mode screening where they were going to terrify us. Now,
as soon as I got that invitation, I thought, I'm
going to screen mode. I didn't care if I go
about myself. I'm so excited. That's what I'm going to
But I thought you were going to go to the
safe mode. I thought I was gonna go safe mode,
(14:30):
and then a little surprise happened.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, I didn't want to go by myself to safe mode.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
And you know what content brain on.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I just wanted to make the best type of content
we could, and I knew that would encapsulate me being
in screen mode, not in safe mode.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So you chose to come to screen modes, so which
I was a little surprised. Yeah, and also that content
brain kind of left your mind once the screening started.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So we arrive and at first, it's a fun time.
There's a beautiful, big photo wall at the front. There's
a big line of fans excited, we pose on the
red carpet photos, we walk inside, we grab a glass
of champagne.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And then and then they have like these people that
are like in character.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, character actors walking over.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And it was really confusing because also the guests also
dressed up characters. So every time like a guest bumping
into me, I would either assume they were like a
hired professional character, and I'd be like Hello, how are you?
And then I realized after that they're actually just again
they're just like they're just here to watch them, but
they're actual like people in characters. So they were in
(15:34):
characters for the characters that are in the show, and
because we hadn't watched the show as yet, I was
really confused as who they were.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, okay, so I in some trailers, so I know
because there was a guy dressed in an army outfit and.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
He was like, will you help save Dary? And I
was like, that's not my job, Yes, you're fairly well
more well equipped to do.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
He spotted you because I think like character actors is
like the seed.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They can smell blood in the water.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Is that he saw that you were nervous, so he
was like following you around asking you to help save Dary.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
So loud, like you're on a bad first day.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah I did go.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I was getting first date vibes from you, guys, because
he was just being like, will you help save Dary?
And You're like, I don't want to. Like they had away,
they had like all the treats of the movie, like
five pickles and stuff, but.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Also eye pickles were delicious.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But then you looked at all the jars behind them,
and this is a lead into the show. There were
body parts in them, and even when I had looked
into our popcorn, there was like a bloody finger in one. Anyway,
then we got ushered into this tiny little room. It's
like a little off stage room, and I didn't and
there was people in there, and they ran away when
we got in there, and the door shut behind us.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
And then this is so funny.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I want to talk about it, I know.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But I have two sets of injuries from being in
this room with you. Can I just say?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
One is that you were holding onto my arm when
they also digging in.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
You were digging into my arm and holding onto me
so tightly.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
The thing is when you're like a fan of horror,
but you're also so scared of horror, your mind goes
in so many different wild directions, like the scene could
be as simple as possible, but your mind will not
allow you to think like that because it wants to
keep you safe.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So your video is so funny because you were like,
it's like having a little koala attached my arm. You
were clinging onto me for dear life. You were one
step away from jumping up into my arms, and You're like,
something's in here, something's in here, and I'm like, oh,
obviously something's in here, but we have to play along.
So it's a big mirror, and you know, if I
see a mirror, I got to check my head because
it actually wasn't looking good that night. So I brought
us to the mirror because you have to come with
(17:28):
me because you're hanging on to me for dear life.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
And then penny Wise jumps out at us.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He appeared behind the mirror which is seen from them.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
And he on of them just appeared. He like hit
the mirror and screamed in our faces.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, he screamed in our faces.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
We screamed so loud, and then I was hysterically laughing,
and You're trying to get out, but because we're connected,
we both run for the door.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't know if you notice I hit my head
on that because I'm.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
So tall, I did not notice. I rat.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I still lammed my head so hard on that beam
as we went out, And when I got home that night,
I stayed up for a few hours because I'm like,
I don't think you should go to sleep with a concussion,
and I looked at my arm and I had like
all these welts from your hold me, and I was like,
why do I have physical pain from this event?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
It was like the idea of it was so simple.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, it's like a room, an empty room with a
big mirror, and he just comes up from behind the mirror,
so you're looking in your reflection the changes he's behind
the mirror. He's scares He's so simple. For some reason
in my head, I was like, that's too obvious. He's
going to jump out from behind.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, he thought he was going to jump out and
be like be in the room.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And then they had like they dressed it up in
this really cool way where there was like clown costumes
and like that's not a costume, that's a real person.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It was so scary anticipation of not knowing. So then
we go into the theater and it's a beautiful, big
heritage theater in Sydney, so it already feels a bit ominous,
and it already feels like you're in the TV show.
But there's an old school movie theater in the TV
show that plays a huge role, and I had seen
that in the trailers and the clips, so as soon
as we walked in there, I felt like we.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Were in it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
That was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This is where we when I start to things start
to fall apart from us because we got we did
get in a fight, and the extended clip is so funny.
We should post that we're posed to snip it in
our video, but extended clip is quite into a video,
Preaches said.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Michael was just filming our whole fight, like not in
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I didn't think it was going to be in the video.
So that's why I was like, my character face went
off and I was like anyway. So we get in
and there's all these like creepy things on stage.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
There's a man playing the organ.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, he was at the time of his life playing
creepy songs on an organ.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I was explaining to you the complexities of an organ.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, and I was like, interesting, guess we'll be talking
about now. But that's fine. And it's very nice of
HBO Max to have seats set up for us because
they knew we were filming a video. And we get
there and the lovely pr says, Okay, Laura, you sit here,
and Emily you sit here, and so your seat was
towards the end of the aisle.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Okay, spillers, listen, don't try and make it better. No,
listen to this.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So there's three of us there, me, LB, and a
video producer Michael. However, in our row it had four reserved.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Seats, yes, and the very end one we weren't supposed
to sit, and we had we.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Weren't supposed to sit on the end one. So the
PR wanted me to sit on the edge, so next
to LB and whoever was going to be sitting next
to me the other reserve seat, and LB was going
to sit in between me and Michael. Do you really
think I would have sat in that seat.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yes, So then Emily just sits down and just plugs
us south down the middle, and she knows she's done
the wrong thing, so she just looks down and then
she pretends like a dog who's done something wrong that
she can't hear or see me. And I said, I
said to the p I was looking at us, and
I said, it's don't worry. I will get her sitt
in that seat. Thank you so much. Everything she leaves
and I say, and this is when I turned into
the worst kind of stage mom, like you think Hillary
(20:40):
duffmu Yeah, I was Hillary Duf's mom. You think Dan
Sums is bad? You should have seen this. I was like, Emily,
you need to sit in that seat, and you were
just like and I was like, Emily, and then I
tried that. I tried to be nice, and I was like, Emily,
they're not going to touch you. The prri he said,
they're not allowed to touch you. They're not allowed to do
anything to you. I'm sitting right next to you. You
will be fine. Will you please move over and sit
in your assigned seat?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
No, you won't. Then I start getting actually angry.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
And then I close my eyes and.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I start saying to you, I have I spent a
lot of time setting this up. We saw a long
time coming with the concept.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
We came.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You made such a big deal about going over the
Sydney Harbor Bridge to get to this location, and how
far we traveled. We'd already filmed a bunch of content.
You'd already I had a head injury. No one's talking
about that. I have a bruise arm. I've been through
so much. The show hasn't even started yet, and all
I want you to.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Do is it in the damn seat. That you were
supposed to sit.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
In my one thing I said before we go to
the show. I was like, I'll do it as long
as I'm sitting in between you and Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I know. But that wasn't the setup when we got there.
So you and I are having this thing back and forth. Yeah,
and then I go full dance mum crazy, being like
we came all this way, you send that seat and
you were just looking down.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
You were like eye contact at me.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You won't.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I'm just shaking my head and it's.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Like, you know, like you can make your body go
really heavy when you're a kid, when your whole body
you fused to that seat, and I was like, I
don't think an army of football players could pull you.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
From And there was a weird spotlight on. Everyone was
kind of like watching us.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So then I just have to give up because like,
ofbviously you haven't been raised correctly, and I can't do anything.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
This is the oldest child as well.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, So I sit down and then a woman in
old timey dress like from the nineteen fifties. I'm so
glad set comes over and sits next to us. So
she's a paid actor and she's from the time that
Welcome to Darry is set, and she's in full character,
and now I'm in a horror movie because I have
to make polite small talk with a stranger for about
ten minutes while we wait for the movie to start.
(22:36):
And the awkward thing is that she's in character and
you'll keep leaning of her and going, do you know
what's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
That's scary?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And she's like, I'm just a housewife who's out for
the night, and I have to be like, we're not
just a housewife. It's like, even in that setting, I
can't pull the MoMA mea out of me.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Like, how's wife's a full time job?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, we said that to her paid actors, just like
who's trying to scare us? Is probably like these women
are so weird because they're trying to have a feminist
conversation with me, and I'm really a paid actor.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
She was so scary.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Then the show starts. So the show is set in
the town of Darry. It's before all the events of
the movie, and it kicks off with like this small
group of kids, because the story of it is always
like a small group of kids against this like demonic
evil clown who terrifies them.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Yeah, it's done so so well.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
It starts off with like a series of old timey
ads that looks like it's being played in a theater,
which is so good.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Also, you were like, remember you said, is that a
real movie?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And I said, it's like really famous. That was so cool.
Actually forgot.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I don't know how they did that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It was so they.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Played the original trailer for north By Northwest, incredible movie.
And they played the original trailer for Whatever Happened to Baby.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
J incredible movie.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And there's a Ryan Murphy series about making it. So
at that point, I forget to be scared. I forget
about the crazy lady next to me. I even think
I'm mad at you because I was like, oh my god,
these movies are so good.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And then the show starts.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
And then the show starts and it goes into like
explaining the town of Derry, and then you see this creepy,
creepy scene where a housewife is looking into like the abyss,
like over the streets and it's very much like it
kind of looks like Bill Scar's guard in dress up. Yeah,
And also that photo was in the front of the event.
(24:16):
So the minute I saw that photo, I was like,
I'm gonna be so scared if that person's yeah yeah.
And then the housewife next to you was like, oh,
that's me, yeah, and I was like no, no, apping out.
But then you get the first scene, yeah, which is
always like a really really scary scene, which is like
horror movie playbook, right, Like you have to start off with.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Like a really all about the opening scar. The first
scare of any horror show or movie sets the tone.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, we get this massive, massive jump scare, and then
all the paid actors within the crowd, including her housewife friend,
starts chanting yeah and getting up, and I was so scared.
I thought she was gonna like she didn't do anything
that bad, but I genuinely thought she was gonna scream
it up.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah. And one stage, penny Wise like an actual actor
as penny Wise comes out of the stage, and then
there's someone behind us and the lights are flashing and
Emily you, I've actually never.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Seen someone so scared. The video is so funny.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
If you haven't gone to our Instagram page and watched it,
you'll crouch on your seat and I'm hissing at you
to lean forwards on your on camera because you're in
the wrong scene. You're covering your face, you're looking terrified,
you're looking at me for help, You're looking at Michael
at one stage of photographer past.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I'm looking on you in the way of like can
you believe this sappening? And you're just staring smiling.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It was such a good series though, Like the first
episode I feel like was one of the best episodes
of horror TV I've seen.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And I feel like doing horror TV is really hard.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Oh absolutely, And they didn't.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Hold back, like it felt like a movie in itself.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, the way it ends, it's like I've never seen
a TV show insane. I couldn't believe it. I just
thought something else was gonna happen. But anyway, Welcome to
Dary is out on HBO Max Now, new episodes dropping
every week, and another episode's coming out tomorrow for Halloween.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Halloween a little surprise episode which I'm so excited about
because I genuinely wanted to watch the next episode after
we came home.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
At home with the lights on.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, at home with the lights on with some teeth.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So Jennifer Lawrence did a profile interview with the New
Yorker and it was titled Jennifer Lawrence Goes Duck, which
was a very fitting title for the whole interview. So
it was largely done leading up into her new movie
Die My Love that she's starring alongside Robert Patterson, where
she plays a mother on the brink of insanity. And
(26:25):
also this is the first role she's playing as a
mother after becoming one herself. And I didn't realize that
she's been playing a mother since she was like a
teenager basically.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, that was the whole thing with Jennifer Lawrence. Like
when she was quite young in movies like Joy, she
often played a lot older, yeah, or even like American
hustle like she often because of the directors she chose
to work with in stories she wanted to tell. She
really kind of skipped over that whole teen phase apart
from playing Catness Everdeen, and she was always playing like
women in their late thirties when she was in her twenties.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, and I even like Catness like towards the end
of the movie she was like in her twenties as well. Yeah,
But the whole interview when I read it, I felt
like such a deep sadness. Really, Yeah, did you not
feel that?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I did feel it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I guess Jennifer Lawrence is someone I've always weirdly felt
a deep sadness for, which is so weird because everything
about her on paper is so perfect, Like, she's a beautiful, blonde, white,
able bodied woman who is a beloved, rich movie star.
Everyone in the industry seems to really love her, and
she seems to be able to pick projects that she loves.
(27:28):
Maybe it's that huge juxtaposition with the crazy, funny Jennifer
Lawrence who we see on press too is and then
what she has talked about happening to her behind the
scenes from when all her nude photos were leaked and
she went through that whole horrific ordeal to the way
that like nothing ever happened with her in Harvey Weinstein
that she said, So I don't want to equate her
with that, but there's a lot of backlash against her.
(27:50):
Apparently she also worked with some horrible directors who are
quite cruel to her, and then she talks about having
to like step away from Hollywood. So maybe I equate
that with yeah, the funny woman that we see in interviews.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I didn't even like consider
that part of it. It was just more like, I
feel like we had this person who was so so,
so so famous and so likable because she just had
a completely different personality to the personality she had in
the movie she was playing, and it was just like
funny candid down to Earth. And then we just turned
(28:23):
on that yeah, and we were like, actually, you're so beautiful,
like you shouldn't also try to be a pick me
girl and also be funny and also be Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, because it happened, she would tell a lot of
kind of similar jokes or similar things would happened to her,
so then people thought she was doing a bit. And
it all started with the fourth the Oscars, because when
she fell going up the stairs to get her oscar
for silver Lining's playbook, that actually was such a wonderful
moment for her, Like I know, she was embarrassed, she
forgot that she had to like kick her dress out
as she walked. In her head, she's like cakewalk, cakewalk,
(28:51):
and then she felt she was like, oh, I meant
to say kickwalk, That's how it was supposed to.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Get the stairs. And then she fell, But like that's
such an iconic image of her and that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Because it was a beautiful ful and she fell beautifully.
People don't fall like that. But then the next year
she tipped outside the Oscars over a cone and fell,
and even Ellen DeGeneres on stage was like, oh, you're
doing a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, And I think that was almost.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
The turning point for people. We're just like, oh my god,
we get it. She's closed and.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
She literally had to step away from the spotlight. She
had a kid, she had a family, and now it's
like she's come back, and it feels like she's come
back after we haven't seen her for years and years
and years. And she even addresses that like turn against
her in this interview, which is probably why I felt
so sad reading it, because she said how she found
that annoying. She's like, it was my personality, like my
(29:36):
real personality, but I guess it was also a defense mechanism,
like and then she just kind of went too hard
the other way, like, yeah, I put my pants every day,
I'm just a regular person. And then when she said that,
Ariana Grande nailed her on ESNL. Yeah, I feel like
no celebrity has ever talked about themselves like that. When
it comes to SNL, it's always the other way around.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, exactly. They're like, oh, it's so exaggerated. It wasn't
really me. I know, it's a caricature. It's so interesting
when she said it was a defense mechanism because a
while ago on the Spill, when she did the Graham
Norton Show, she came straight onto that talk show to
promote her new movie with Robert Pattinson and launched straight
into this like huge funny story that she'd obviously not preprepared,
but she knew how she wanted to tell it in
this crazy way about feeding him food from the garbage.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I said at the time, like, obviously that's really
funny and cute. But I said at the time, like
she has those stories ready to go for press rounds.
She knows that she has to perform. It's how you
give a good interview. But she also knows that she's
like loosely linked to maybe scandals just from being famous
in terms of like things have happened to her people,
she's dated people. She knows even just bigger questions that
she doesn't want to wait into. So she knows if
(30:40):
she comes out with these like funny stories and she
puts on an act, then it deflects from anything else
and then she's done her job and people like her,
but she doesn't have to give anything away. So I
think at the time she did that, but maybe she
feels that she just went too hard. Well not even that,
like the world did start to turn against her.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Her whole personality that comes through in this interview is
also still really candid in a way like that I
can kind of picture if like she was being recorded,
if we were watching her on TV, I can see
what like how she would have those matters still, and
I think that comes out when she talks about getting
botox and like how she's like, I have to quit
vaping soon because I'm getting a boob job in November,
(31:20):
And I think that is like the Jennifer Lawrence I remember,
like being so canned and open about the stuff that
is usually really silent in Hollywood. And I think that
just what is what made me like her, but also
still made me feel really really sad, because I feel
like that part has been now so analyzed to the
extent on like women talking about their faces and women
talking about their bodies, and I think there's just something
(31:42):
so refreshing and just not making it a thing and
just talking about what you're literally going to do next month.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, And I just I mean, I feel like I
just want to not even interview her. I just want
to reach out to her and be like like an
open letter to Jennifer Lawrence and say, please don't apologize
that time that you were doing all those interviews and
you were telling crazy stories and you're being funny, because
I actually think that the amount of people who found
joy in watching her do that, and the amount of
people who go back and rewatch those interviews, I know
(32:10):
so many people do. I think the people who loved
her far outweigh the people who got tired of her
or were angry that she was putting on an act.
She is that their voices have been the loudest, and
I hate that that's what she thinks. Like, I just
want to get a message to Jenna for Lawence and
be like, we love you, We love you.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
It was fine. Do it again, Yeah, do it forever.
It would actually be great.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I'd never want her to change her like personality for
interviews now, And.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Can I just say a gift to the interviewer, like
an absolute gift. As someone who does that as a
huge part of my job, I would take that a
million times over someone who comes into the room and
is like ready to do their job and put on
a show and put a performance and give you something.
To someone who acts like this is the hardest.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Thing I had to do.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
It's like so beneath this is so beneath me. I
don't want to be here. I don't want to talk
about this. I'm not going to make eye contact with you,
and not even like to disrespectful to the interviewer, but
disrespectful to the fans that are consuming their content and
want something from them. And they don't even have them
have to bear their souls or anything crazy. They just
have to be engaged in the interview. And I hate
that we're punishing her from that when a lot of
(33:12):
actors do the opposite and kind of get applauded for that.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Let's so demure. Well, the whole interview. It's a long read,
but it's so worth it, and I think we'll be
talking about her a lot more when the movie comes back.
I'm so so excited. But we will link the full
interview in our show notes. Thank you so much for
listening to this spill today. Make sure you're following the
Spill on TikTok and Instagram. We love to chat to
you that you can always DM us. All the links
to that will be in our show notes and we
(33:38):
have your weekend viewing sorted when our Weekend Watch app
drops tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
At six a m.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
The Spill is produced by Nishias when I understand production
by Scotstronic and we will see you then.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Bye bye l
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this bill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Bredney and I'm and coming up
on the show today. Emily and I have had a
very turbulent week in our friendship and professional relationship.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It feels like we did this a year ago. I
know spill is un not aware of what we've just
been through.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh yeah, exactly what unless I follow us on Inston
and then they'll have a little idea. But Emily and
I went to event this week that was designed to
scare the shit out of you. To put it politely,
me personally, you personally. We had a little bit of
an altercation that we'll get into. We're ready to speak
on it. We're ready to air our truth. But also
this is all wrapped up in an incredible TV show
recommendation that we have for you, so stay tuned for that. Plus,
(01:03):
Jennifer Lawrence is back on the press circuit for her
new movie, and she's given a very intense interview telling
why she stepped away from the spotlight other things in
her life. Well, we have some very complicated feelings about
that that we're going to get into.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But first, our producer Minisha says she has something to
flag with the team, with you, the spillers and with us.
So I guess you're ow. You're in our podcast whip
right now. I guess so. Welcome to our planning meeting.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Yes, so, yesterday we were looking around for stories and
our boss Georgie comes across this article about Frankie Munez
having a feud with Hillary Duff and coming clean about
the fact that they haven't spoken for twenty two years.
He went on this podcast and spoke about this feud
that they have, and that reminded me of one Laura Brodnick,
because you also famously have a feud with Hillary Duff.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
How dare you speak on this to me? Dare you
bring this up?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
We'll link the episode in the show notes for you
to get the full story behind the Hillary Duff feud.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think his maybe runs a little deeper than yours.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, just because I mean, I'm spreading a lot of
false information here and you're helping me. Is that Hillary Duff.
I have to make so clear it doesn't no way exist.
It's just that she and I have had a long,
complicated history on my part where I've gone to interview
her many times, both virtual and in person, in conversation
on stage, and every time she's locked in for an
event over the last few years and my name has
(02:24):
been added to the list, all of a sudden she
can't do it. She's blown me off multiple multiple times
on multiple projects, all culminating in me jumping on a
plane to fly to New York to attend the launch
party for her TV show and interview her afterwards. She's
locked and loaded, she's ready to go, And as I
got on the plane, I find out she's not coming.
(02:45):
And I was a last minute addition to that event.
I found out I was flying to New York the
night before. So, yeah, do you think she listens to
the pop I was even doing the pod there. This
is this is such a long feud.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It's almost as long as Frankie's feud with her, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So when you said Frankie Minez has a feud with Hillery, do.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
What?
Speaker 6 (03:04):
I don't think you're in a feud with her. I
think you're in a feud with her mom.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh my god, that makes so much sense you hear
this story.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Oh yeah, much like Frankie because their feud runs deep
because her mum is apparently was a real stage mom
back in the day and over wrote what he wanted
for her to be playing opposite him when they were
doing casting in Agent Cody Banks, and apparently that is
what sparked the whole feud and they haven't spoken for
like two decades, much like you. Yes, it did get
(03:33):
me thinking about you and Frankie having a lot of similarities. Wow,
because some other things did come up so obviously he
is famously from Malcolm in the Middle.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, you're a middle child.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'm a middle child to the extent of like I
even have it in my Instagram bio, and I get
so many requests to go on like talk shows or
podcasts and talk about being a middle child. And I've
had to like step away, that cannot be my entire
personality because you're very middle I'm such a middle child.
I've got two sisters and a brother, so it's four.
But I've read studies that say you can only have
middle child syndrome, which I really have if you're the middle,
(04:05):
and you have a sibling of similar sex on either side,
because in my family, like middle child syndrome comes out
when you're not important. He's a great assult guys. I'm
not an expert. This is just something I fueled up
over childhood. Like my older sister is special because she's
the oldest, My little sister is special because she's the littlest.
My brother is special because he's the only boy. And
as they told me growing up, I am nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So that happened a week. Yeah, much like Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's not math because those four people in his family,
but he is in the middle, and he has siblings
of the same sexy You.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Guys are in the exact same spot as me.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Malcom of the exact same person, two older, one younger.
I did find that show a little traumatizing what she
growing up like.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's meant to be a comedy, but like really badly,
and I really feel for him other similarities.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
There's more.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I thought there was enough.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think you guys are the same age.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
I'm not going to out years older. I was older
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I thinks maybe a year older.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
How old is he forty?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, he's thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's a year older.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
He's a year old.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's basically the same age.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You've both made dramatic career pivots.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So you were famously a crime court reporter, and then
you pivoted to entertainment.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He went from acting to race car driving.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Oh, it is the same thing, very much the same thing.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
He wasn't good at race car driving though, well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And then there are a few other things that I
found out about him, and I thought I'd just put
them to you and see if they re So I
picked ones where I was like, I could see this
being the case for you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This could either go really badly for you, potentially could end.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Have you ever been in a community production of a
Christmas Carol?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
No, I've been in community productions, but not of that
specific show. He never played tiny close. No, I'm too
taught to be tiny Tim. He's quite sure. That's the
only reason I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Okay, Any instruments growing off, any musical instrument, or if
you could pick a musical instrument, what would you play.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So I play guitar in high school, and I my
friends mine tried to start a band and someone needed
to play the drums.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But I was so good at it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Thank you the drummer, and his actual dream.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I was never actually we never performed. I just tried
to do it. And I had the little drum, not
even the full drum. Kick didn't have that, had the
little drum, Like you could buy the bass and the sticks,
and at lunch time I tried, did you get the pick?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
I just got there.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That was his dream as a kid. Both he wanted
to be a drummer.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well we both touched drum sticks. Yeah, and we both
failed at being a drummer. That's important to note.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
This next one is potentially a bit of a reach,
okaycause the other seven been. So if you were going
to make a salad and you opened your.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Feels like a girlfriend magazine quiz.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
If you were going to make such here, what am
I doing in this situation?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
When you can answer this too, and you were going to,
I don't want to, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That was oldest child energy from Emily.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I am the oldest child.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
No, I know.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That's why you gave that energy because you were just like, well,
I'm actually involved in this.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm a charge.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So back to the salad.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yes, you have to pick two ingredients out of your pantry.
Two bottled ingredients. What are you picking?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Like?
Speaker 5 (07:05):
What are you grabbing to make yourself? They're both in
bottles as in like dressing, Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Going to be someone So I don't make my own
salad dressing. I just buy different Yeah okay, but.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
What bottles do you buy?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
A simple? Like a simple that you're just tossing together
a salad? What are you adding?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Why has this stumped me so much?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Just basic?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Like about samic Maybe yeah, I guess, So I don't know.
I'm such a basic I like, yeah, and yeah, an
olive oil?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I guess, would you say olive oil?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
They are.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm just thinking now they are the literally only two
things in my pantry because the other ones I have
all the pre mixed sellard dressings. Not me trying to
defend my salad choices. Okay, Well, I'm famous in the
office for making really good salads.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That's why I don't want to be outed.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's kind of why I went down this road.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
So Frankie actually has a side business, running an olive
oil and vinegar shop in Scottsdale, Arizona with his wife.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
This is so dumb, okay, Beckham with a side.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I gave you that answer.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Maybe if you and Frankie, are you the frankness?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Okay, I only have one more? So where would you say?
Like cake ranks for you as a dessert?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Cake? High up? Would you say high up? Would you
say number one? Would you say ever?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Just I feel like you're leading the witness. I can't
tell either. I think cake would be maybe a second
or third, because like ice creams or chocolate ice cream cake,
so it's third.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Have you ever eaten an entire cake as the sun rises?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I don't think anyone should do that, you know what?
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't think you've ever been awake for the sun?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I have? I was? I actually think I have eaten
a whole cake and the sun rises. But it's coming.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That is so niche.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
She's so as franky that it's so niche that you've
done that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You ever come home from a while night out with
your friends and like someone's birthday and the sun's coming up,
and then you sit down and eat the cake and
have like the leftover drinks.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Now you get like a HSP what you get like
a halal snackpack or like a kebab?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You know, no, but if you've been you're at a
birthday party or something or someone's wedding and like you're
watching that. No, I never get up to see the
sun I'm always seeing it as I go to bed, right,
and that's perfect cake time. Well, soak that last little
bit of alcohol up. You'll have a much better sleep.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Actually that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Does makes sense well because Frankie doesn't drink, or it
doesn't have a different bit of a difference. But he
has confessed that one of his vices is that once
he ate an entire cake as the sunrise is.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
He tweeted about it. Oh, I've gone very deep into cranky.
I'm gonna leave it there because I feel like it's
starting to not line up. But it was a strong theory.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, just to bring it back full circle, I
do think that the Hillary dufflink is the strongest one
between us and I want to hear and I actually
get in contact and trying to talk about it over
drinks and cay because I mean, I would love to
know if Hillary because famously Hillary's mom, there's like documentaries
about this and stuff like or like people have done
a lot of interviews that her mum moved her to
La to be this huge star was super controlling, and
(09:50):
her mum has been blamed for the reason we didn't
get a second Lizzie Maguire movie because her mum, like
when this first one was so successful her mum allegedly,
but a lot of people have gone on record to
say this came in and like made all these huge demands.
I mean, Hillary is ever going to talk to me? Now,
I'm telling a story. But anyway, Mail's huge demands. Wanted
to produce a credit won balls of money for her,
and so they ended up saying, like, don't worry about
making the movie. The mom's two big to deal with.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Maybe the way also that you've dealt with your Hillary
duff feud and him and how he's dealt with his
fud is because you're both middle children. So the way
you approach dealing and coping with this feud and like
holding onto the resentment, maybe that's a middle.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Child being maybe been talking about it publicly.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They're filming the reboot of Malcolm and the Miller at
the moment, are they?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Do you know that I did not know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That what he's doing he was on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh yeah, the whole fans back, even Brian Kranst did,
and Brian Cranston did not need to do that. He's
doing it because he's like those boys and my sons
and I want to hang out love.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
I love every single person in that show.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, they're all back. I'm so they're doing a reboot.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I cannot believe you didn't know that. Oh my god,
wait for rest. But like this, I feel this whole segment.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Just have to do it, honest review.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I was like, let's get Frankie Munez on the pod
because he was doing press.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
You won't get Hillary.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, or we bring Hillary on and we all have
it out, the three.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Of us and leave us a comment on how similar
out of ten you think Laura and frank are based
on that analysis.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Should put up my face. We should put our faces
those programs and see what we look like.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
If we were child would look like. Yeah, they'd probably
be average.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Height because the average because he's so short and I'm
so tall, so would be average.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
That average heighed drama.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That's all we need.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah. Okay, So speaking of a little event that you
and I went to this week, So a few weeks ago,
a red balloon appeared in our office. Yep, I don't
know if you saw it. I walked towards the mail
table where all of our mail gets put, and across
the room, I just saw the singular red balloon floating
up and I instantly knew it was for me, Yeah,
(11:45):
because I knew what it would symbolize. And as I
near the mail desk, I saw that the singular red
balloon was attached to an invitation to a very special screening.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I saw the balloon probably a few days later. I
was getting a bit flaccity.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I had it hanging my desk, and then someone took
it down because they said it was too scary.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Oh, because well, I mean, your desk is surrounded by
the booboo, so if anything scary.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I actually did point that out to the person
who made the comment, because I'm famously quite terrified of
bla booze.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It was an.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Imitation to the premiere of the new HBO Max series
It Welcome to Derry and If Anyone's on a cross It.
It was originally a story by one of my favorite
authors of all times, Stephen King, was turned into a
very iconic mini series and it was made into two
kind of big screen movies that came out in twenty seventeen,
so it and then IT chapter two in twenty nineteen.
(12:34):
So this new series, it Welcome to Derry, is a
prequel series to those last two movies that we got.
The biggest link being that Bill scarrisguard of the Hot
Scar's Guard Family, played penny Wise in those movies and
he is reprising his role as penny Wise in this
prequel series.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And he's also an executive producer. Yeah, and as a
most Manda a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
What I really loved about this series before even like
watching it, before we get into that, was that they're
making it like a huge Stephen King universe.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yes, like it's like all.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Of Stephen King's novels are like kind of it's in
that same there's a little thread story, yeah, like you
see like the Shawshank like bus and stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
It's I think it just also looks so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Oh, it's filmed beautifully, And that's such a thing for
Stephen King fans, like so many of his books or
his short stories or his adaptations his works is one
of the most adapted of all times from any author.
With all the movies and the TV shows that are
often little because a lot of them are set in
the same place. All of them are set in Maine.
A lot of them have different character names or like
little links that come through.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So you'll watch a movie and you'll be like, Oh,
there's the bike from that or there's that.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You're just like, it's a beautiful universe to be a
part of, even though it's terrifying. So the premiere had
a really unique premise which I hadn't seen before in
that on the invitation had the option of two screenings
that we could attend. One was the safe mode where
you could go to the earlier screening and you could
have a really chill time. Nothing would happen to you.
It's for real scaredy cats. Yeah, people with no backbone,
(14:04):
I want to say, people with no gumption, people who.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Don't want to face the realities of life. Went to
that screen.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
CEO and I'm getting a him. And then the other
option was for the latest screening, which was the scream
mode screening where they were going to terrify us. Now,
as soon as I got that invitation, I thought, I'm
going to screen mode. I didn't care if I go
about myself. I'm so excited. That's what I'm going to
But I thought you were going to go to the
safe mode. I thought I was gonna go safe mode,
(14:30):
and then a little surprise happened.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, I didn't want to go by myself to safe mode.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
And you know what content brain on.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I just wanted to make the best type of content
we could, and I knew that would encapsulate me being
in screen mode, not in safe mode.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So you chose to come to screen modes, so which
I was a little surprised. Yeah, and also that content
brain kind of left your mind once the screening started.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So we arrive and at first, it's a fun time.
There's a beautiful, big photo wall at the front. There's
a big line of fans excited, we pose on the
red carpet photos, we walk inside, we grab a glass
of champagne.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And then and then they have like these people that
are like in character.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, character actors walking over.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And it was really confusing because also the guests also
dressed up characters. So every time like a guest bumping
into me, I would either assume they were like a
hired professional character, and I'd be like Hello, how are you?
And then I realized after that they're actually just again
they're just like they're just here to watch them, but
they're actual like people in characters. So they were in
(15:34):
characters for the characters that are in the show, and
because we hadn't watched the show as yet, I was
really confused as who they were.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, okay, so I in some trailers, so I know
because there was a guy dressed in an army outfit and.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
He was like, will you help save Dary? And I
was like, that's not my job, Yes, you're fairly well
more well equipped to do.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
He spotted you because I think like character actors is
like the seed.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They can smell blood in the water.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Is that he saw that you were nervous, so he
was like following you around asking you to help save Dary.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
So loud, like you're on a bad first day.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah I did go.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I was getting first date vibes from you, guys, because
he was just being like, will you help save Dary?
And You're like, I don't want to. Like they had away,
they had like all the treats of the movie, like
five pickles and stuff, but.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Also eye pickles were delicious.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But then you looked at all the jars behind them,
and this is a lead into the show. There were
body parts in them, and even when I had looked
into our popcorn, there was like a bloody finger in one. Anyway,
then we got ushered into this tiny little room. It's
like a little off stage room, and I didn't and
there was people in there, and they ran away when
we got in there, and the door shut behind us.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
And then this is so funny.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I want to talk about it, I know.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But I have two sets of injuries from being in
this room with you. Can I just say?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
One is that you were holding onto my arm when
they also digging in.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
You were digging into my arm and holding onto me
so tightly.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
The thing is when you're like a fan of horror,
but you're also so scared of horror, your mind goes
in so many different wild directions, like the scene could
be as simple as possible, but your mind will not
allow you to think like that because it wants to
keep you safe.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So your video is so funny because you were like,
it's like having a little koala attached my arm. You
were clinging onto me for dear life. You were one
step away from jumping up into my arms, and You're like,
something's in here, something's in here, and I'm like, oh,
obviously something's in here, but we have to play along.
So it's a big mirror, and you know, if I
see a mirror, I got to check my head because
it actually wasn't looking good that night. So I brought
us to the mirror because you have to come with
(17:28):
me because you're hanging on to me for dear life.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
And then penny Wise jumps out at us.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He appeared behind the mirror which is seen from them.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
And he on of them just appeared. He like hit
the mirror and screamed in our faces.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, he screamed in our faces.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
We screamed so loud, and then I was hysterically laughing,
and You're trying to get out, but because we're connected,
we both run for the door.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't know if you notice I hit my head
on that because I'm.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
So tall, I did not notice. I rat.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I still lammed my head so hard on that beam
as we went out, And when I got home that night,
I stayed up for a few hours because I'm like,
I don't think you should go to sleep with a concussion,
and I looked at my arm and I had like
all these welts from your hold me, and I was like,
why do I have physical pain from this event?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
It was like the idea of it was so simple.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, it's like a room, an empty room with a
big mirror, and he just comes up from behind the mirror,
so you're looking in your reflection the changes he's behind
the mirror. He's scares He's so simple. For some reason
in my head, I was like, that's too obvious. He's
going to jump out from behind.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, he thought he was going to jump out and
be like be in the room.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And then they had like they dressed it up in
this really cool way where there was like clown costumes
and like that's not a costume, that's a real person.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It was so scary anticipation of not knowing. So then
we go into the theater and it's a beautiful, big
heritage theater in Sydney, so it already feels a bit ominous,
and it already feels like you're in the TV show.
But there's an old school movie theater in the TV
show that plays a huge role, and I had seen
that in the trailers and the clips, so as soon
as we walked in there, I felt like we.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Were in it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
That was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This is where we when I start to things start
to fall apart from us because we got we did
get in a fight, and the extended clip is so funny.
We should post that we're posed to snip it in
our video, but extended clip is quite into a video,
Preaches said.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Michael was just filming our whole fight, like not in
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I didn't think it was going to be in the video.
So that's why I was like, my character face went
off and I was like anyway. So we get in
and there's all these like creepy things on stage.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
There's a man playing the organ.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, he was at the time of his life playing
creepy songs on an organ.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I was explaining to you the complexities of an organ.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, and I was like, interesting, guess we'll be talking
about now. But that's fine. And it's very nice of
HBO Max to have seats set up for us because
they knew we were filming a video. And we get
there and the lovely pr says, Okay, Laura, you sit here,
and Emily you sit here, and so your seat was
towards the end of the aisle.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Okay, spillers, listen, don't try and make it better. No,
listen to this.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So there's three of us there, me, LB, and a
video producer Michael. However, in our row it had four reserved.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Seats, yes, and the very end one we weren't supposed
to sit, and we had we.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Weren't supposed to sit on the end one. So the
PR wanted me to sit on the edge, so next
to LB and whoever was going to be sitting next
to me the other reserve seat, and LB was going
to sit in between me and Michael. Do you really
think I would have sat in that seat.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yes, So then Emily just sits down and just plugs
us south down the middle, and she knows she's done
the wrong thing, so she just looks down and then
she pretends like a dog who's done something wrong that
she can't hear or see me. And I said, I
said to the p I was looking at us, and
I said, it's don't worry. I will get her sitt
in that seat. Thank you so much. Everything she leaves
and I say, and this is when I turned into
the worst kind of stage mom, like you think Hillary
(20:40):
duffmu Yeah, I was Hillary Duf's mom. You think Dan
Sums is bad? You should have seen this. I was like, Emily,
you need to sit in that seat, and you were
just like and I was like, Emily, and then I
tried that. I tried to be nice, and I was like, Emily,
they're not going to touch you. The prri he said,
they're not allowed to touch you. They're not allowed to do
anything to you. I'm sitting right next to you. You
will be fine. Will you please move over and sit
in your assigned seat?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
No, you won't. Then I start getting actually angry.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
And then I close my eyes and.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I start saying to you, I have I spent a
lot of time setting this up. We saw a long
time coming with the concept.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
We came.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You made such a big deal about going over the
Sydney Harbor Bridge to get to this location, and how
far we traveled. We'd already filmed a bunch of content.
You'd already I had a head injury. No one's talking
about that. I have a bruise arm. I've been through
so much. The show hasn't even started yet, and all
I want you to.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Do is it in the damn seat. That you were
supposed to sit.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
In my one thing I said before we go to
the show. I was like, I'll do it as long
as I'm sitting in between you and Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I know. But that wasn't the setup when we got there.
So you and I are having this thing back and forth. Yeah,
and then I go full dance mum crazy, being like
we came all this way, you send that seat and
you were just looking down.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
You were like eye contact at me.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You won't.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I'm just shaking my head and it's.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Like, you know, like you can make your body go
really heavy when you're a kid, when your whole body
you fused to that seat, and I was like, I
don't think an army of football players could pull you.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
From And there was a weird spotlight on. Everyone was
kind of like watching us.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So then I just have to give up because like,
ofbviously you haven't been raised correctly, and I can't do anything.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
This is the oldest child as well.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, So I sit down and then a woman in
old timey dress like from the nineteen fifties. I'm so
glad set comes over and sits next to us. So
she's a paid actor and she's from the time that
Welcome to Darry is set, and she's in full character,
and now I'm in a horror movie because I have
to make polite small talk with a stranger for about
ten minutes while we wait for the movie to start.
(22:36):
And the awkward thing is that she's in character and
you'll keep leaning of her and going, do you know
what's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
That's scary?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And she's like, I'm just a housewife who's out for
the night, and I have to be like, we're not
just a housewife. It's like, even in that setting, I
can't pull the MoMA mea out of me.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Like, how's wife's a full time job?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, we said that to her paid actors, just like
who's trying to scare us? Is probably like these women
are so weird because they're trying to have a feminist
conversation with me, and I'm really a paid actor.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
She was so scary.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Then the show starts. So the show is set in
the town of Darry. It's before all the events of
the movie, and it kicks off with like this small
group of kids, because the story of it is always
like a small group of kids against this like demonic
evil clown who terrifies them.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Yeah, it's done so so well.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
It starts off with like a series of old timey
ads that looks like it's being played in a theater,
which is so good.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Also, you were like, remember you said, is that a
real movie?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And I said, it's like really famous. That was so cool.
Actually forgot.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I don't know how they did that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It was so they.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Played the original trailer for north By Northwest, incredible movie.
And they played the original trailer for Whatever Happened to Baby.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
J incredible movie.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And there's a Ryan Murphy series about making it. So
at that point, I forget to be scared. I forget
about the crazy lady next to me. I even think
I'm mad at you because I was like, oh my god,
these movies are so good.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And then the show starts.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
And then the show starts and it goes into like
explaining the town of Derry, and then you see this creepy,
creepy scene where a housewife is looking into like the abyss,
like over the streets and it's very much like it
kind of looks like Bill Scar's guard in dress up. Yeah,
And also that photo was in the front of the event.
(24:16):
So the minute I saw that photo, I was like,
I'm gonna be so scared if that person's yeah yeah.
And then the housewife next to you was like, oh,
that's me, yeah, and I was like no, no, apping out.
But then you get the first scene, yeah, which is
always like a really really scary scene, which is like
horror movie playbook, right, Like you have to start off with.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Like a really all about the opening scar. The first
scare of any horror show or movie sets the tone.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, we get this massive, massive jump scare, and then
all the paid actors within the crowd, including her housewife friend,
starts chanting yeah and getting up, and I was so scared.
I thought she was gonna like she didn't do anything
that bad, but I genuinely thought she was gonna scream
it up.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah. And one stage, penny Wise like an actual actor
as penny Wise comes out of the stage, and then
there's someone behind us and the lights are flashing and
Emily you, I've actually never.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Seen someone so scared. The video is so funny.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
If you haven't gone to our Instagram page and watched it,
you'll crouch on your seat and I'm hissing at you
to lean forwards on your on camera because you're in
the wrong scene. You're covering your face, you're looking terrified,
you're looking at me for help, You're looking at Michael
at one stage of photographer past.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I'm looking on you in the way of like can
you believe this sappening? And you're just staring smiling.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It was such a good series though, Like the first
episode I feel like was one of the best episodes
of horror TV I've seen.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And I feel like doing horror TV is really hard.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Oh absolutely, And they didn't.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Hold back, like it felt like a movie in itself.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, the way it ends, it's like I've never seen
a TV show insane. I couldn't believe it. I just
thought something else was gonna happen. But anyway, Welcome to
Dary is out on HBO Max Now, new episodes dropping
every week, and another episode's coming out tomorrow for Halloween.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Halloween a little surprise episode which I'm so excited about
because I genuinely wanted to watch the next episode after
we came home.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
At home with the lights on.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, at home with the lights on with some teeth.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So Jennifer Lawrence did a profile interview with the New
Yorker and it was titled Jennifer Lawrence Goes Duck, which
was a very fitting title for the whole interview. So
it was largely done leading up into her new movie
Die My Love that she's starring alongside Robert Patterson, where
she plays a mother on the brink of insanity. And
(26:25):
also this is the first role she's playing as a
mother after becoming one herself. And I didn't realize that
she's been playing a mother since she was like a
teenager basically.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, that was the whole thing with Jennifer Lawrence. Like
when she was quite young in movies like Joy, she
often played a lot older, yeah, or even like American
hustle like she often because of the directors she chose
to work with in stories she wanted to tell. She
really kind of skipped over that whole teen phase apart
from playing Catness Everdeen, and she was always playing like
women in their late thirties when she was in her twenties.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, and I even like Catness like towards the end
of the movie she was like in her twenties as well. Yeah,
But the whole interview when I read it, I felt
like such a deep sadness. Really, Yeah, did you not
feel that?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I did feel it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I guess Jennifer Lawrence is someone I've always weirdly felt
a deep sadness for, which is so weird because everything
about her on paper is so perfect, Like, she's a beautiful, blonde, white,
able bodied woman who is a beloved, rich movie star.
Everyone in the industry seems to really love her, and
she seems to be able to pick projects that she loves.
(27:28):
Maybe it's that huge juxtaposition with the crazy, funny Jennifer
Lawrence who we see on press too is and then
what she has talked about happening to her behind the
scenes from when all her nude photos were leaked and
she went through that whole horrific ordeal to the way
that like nothing ever happened with her in Harvey Weinstein
that she said, So I don't want to equate her
with that, but there's a lot of backlash against her.
(27:50):
Apparently she also worked with some horrible directors who are
quite cruel to her, and then she talks about having
to like step away from Hollywood. So maybe I equate
that with yeah, the funny woman that we see in interviews.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I didn't even like consider
that part of it. It was just more like, I
feel like we had this person who was so so,
so so famous and so likable because she just had
a completely different personality to the personality she had in
the movie she was playing, and it was just like
funny candid down to Earth. And then we just turned
(28:23):
on that yeah, and we were like, actually, you're so beautiful,
like you shouldn't also try to be a pick me
girl and also be funny and also be Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, because it happened, she would tell a lot of
kind of similar jokes or similar things would happened to her,
so then people thought she was doing a bit. And
it all started with the fourth the Oscars, because when
she fell going up the stairs to get her oscar
for silver Lining's playbook, that actually was such a wonderful
moment for her, Like I know, she was embarrassed, she
forgot that she had to like kick her dress out
as she walked. In her head, she's like cakewalk, cakewalk,
(28:51):
and then she felt she was like, oh, I meant
to say kickwalk, That's how it was supposed to.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Get the stairs. And then she fell, But like that's
such an iconic image of her and that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Because it was a beautiful ful and she fell beautifully.
People don't fall like that. But then the next year
she tipped outside the Oscars over a cone and fell,
and even Ellen DeGeneres on stage was like, oh, you're
doing a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, And I think that was almost.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
The turning point for people. We're just like, oh my god,
we get it. She's closed and.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
She literally had to step away from the spotlight. She
had a kid, she had a family, and now it's
like she's come back, and it feels like she's come
back after we haven't seen her for years and years
and years. And she even addresses that like turn against
her in this interview, which is probably why I felt
so sad reading it, because she said how she found
that annoying. She's like, it was my personality, like my
(29:36):
real personality, but I guess it was also a defense mechanism,
like and then she just kind of went too hard
the other way, like, yeah, I put my pants every day,
I'm just a regular person. And then when she said that,
Ariana Grande nailed her on ESNL. Yeah, I feel like
no celebrity has ever talked about themselves like that. When
it comes to SNL, it's always the other way around.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, exactly. They're like, oh, it's so exaggerated. It wasn't
really me. I know, it's a caricature. It's so interesting
when she said it was a defense mechanism because a
while ago on the Spill, when she did the Graham
Norton Show, she came straight onto that talk show to
promote her new movie with Robert Pattinson and launched straight
into this like huge funny story that she'd obviously not preprepared,
but she knew how she wanted to tell it in
this crazy way about feeding him food from the garbage.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I said at the time, like, obviously that's really
funny and cute. But I said at the time, like
she has those stories ready to go for press rounds.
She knows that she has to perform. It's how you
give a good interview. But she also knows that she's
like loosely linked to maybe scandals just from being famous
in terms of like things have happened to her people,
she's dated people. She knows even just bigger questions that
she doesn't want to wait into. So she knows if
(30:40):
she comes out with these like funny stories and she
puts on an act, then it deflects from anything else
and then she's done her job and people like her,
but she doesn't have to give anything away. So I
think at the time she did that, but maybe she
feels that she just went too hard. Well not even that,
like the world did start to turn against her.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Her whole personality that comes through in this interview is
also still really candid in a way like that I
can kind of picture if like she was being recorded,
if we were watching her on TV, I can see
what like how she would have those matters still, and
I think that comes out when she talks about getting
botox and like how she's like, I have to quit
vaping soon because I'm getting a boob job in November,
(31:20):
And I think that is like the Jennifer Lawrence I remember,
like being so canned and open about the stuff that
is usually really silent in Hollywood. And I think that
just what is what made me like her, but also
still made me feel really really sad, because I feel
like that part has been now so analyzed to the
extent on like women talking about their faces and women
talking about their bodies, and I think there's just something
(31:42):
so refreshing and just not making it a thing and
just talking about what you're literally going to do next month.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, And I just I mean, I feel like I
just want to not even interview her. I just want
to reach out to her and be like like an
open letter to Jennifer Lawrence and say, please don't apologize
that time that you were doing all those interviews and
you were telling crazy stories and you're being funny, because
I actually think that the amount of people who found
joy in watching her do that, and the amount of
people who go back and rewatch those interviews, I know
(32:10):
so many people do. I think the people who loved
her far outweigh the people who got tired of her
or were angry that she was putting on an act.
She is that their voices have been the loudest, and
I hate that that's what she thinks. Like, I just
want to get a message to Jenna for Lawence and
be like, we love you, We love you.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
It was fine. Do it again, Yeah, do it forever.
It would actually be great.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I'd never want her to change her like personality for
interviews now, And.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Can I just say a gift to the interviewer, like
an absolute gift. As someone who does that as a
huge part of my job, I would take that a
million times over someone who comes into the room and
is like ready to do their job and put on
a show and put a performance and give you something.
To someone who acts like this is the hardest.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Thing I had to do.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
It's like so beneath this is so beneath me. I
don't want to be here. I don't want to talk
about this. I'm not going to make eye contact with you,
and not even like to disrespectful to the interviewer, but
disrespectful to the fans that are consuming their content and
want something from them. And they don't even have them
have to bear their souls or anything crazy. They just
have to be engaged in the interview. And I hate
that we're punishing her from that when a lot of
(33:12):
actors do the opposite and kind of get applauded for that.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Let's so demure. Well, the whole interview. It's a long read,
but it's so worth it, and I think we'll be
talking about her a lot more when the movie comes back.
I'm so so excited. But we will link the full
interview in our show notes. Thank you so much for
listening to this spill today. Make sure you're following the
Spill on TikTok and Instagram. We love to chat to
you that you can always DM us. All the links
to that will be in our show notes and we
(33:38):
have your weekend viewing sorted when our Weekend Watch app
drops tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
At six a m.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
The Spill is produced by Nishias when I understand production
by Scotstronic and we will see you then.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Bye bye l
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