October 1, 2025 • 36 mins
There’s a brand new buzzy Netflix series that everyone is talking about, and now we need to unpack exactly what the allure is. (Spoiler alert, it has something to do with the cast’s faces).And there’s a new actress on the scene in Hollywood that talent agencies are circling, and it’s made the world’s biggest movie stars pretty furious, allow us to explain.Plus, Jennifer Lopez has given an interview that shares new details about her divorce from Ben Affleck, and it’s a story about their married we never thought she’d tell.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to
the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
I'm Tina Burke. I am Mummy's pop culture and social editor.
(00:33):
And coming up on the show today, there is a
new actress of the scene in Hollywood that everyone is
talking about and when I say you won't believe her backstory,
you actually won't believe it, and she thing are pretty
furious at her. So we're going to get into that.
And Jennifer Lopez has given a new interview that's made
some people think that potentially she's getting back together with
Ben Aflake, but has also just shed light on the
(00:54):
real problem their marriage. Plus there's a whole thing about
her wedding an Oscar. We're going to get into that.
But first, Tina Burke, I'm not even sure what you've
prepped for our first segment, but you told me you
had some important, hard hitting news, and you and I
work together very closely and you handle a lot of
the breaking use the big stories. The roll out of
what people need to know today. Yes, I can't wait
(01:15):
to hear what this huge information is that I've missed.
That's so important, very huge.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So while you are very on the hot topics of
the world, somewhere that maybe you're not always on. Is
TikTok true or false? I'm on TikTok every second of
every day, knowing what's hot and what it's.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Not that I want a different corn of TikTok to
you for people who heard I ask a million Laura
anything episode. I like sasquatch news. News about monsters are
like Mermaid sightings. And I also enjoy like van life
because well, man, I think your FIP would be a view.
By the way, that's a for you page. Yeah, I
got that. I didn't know if you knew that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think your FIP would be a fascinating character study
and a nice place to be. Personally, my FIP is
dominated by the hot boys of the moment at all times.
So what I want to talk to you about today
is the House of Guinness, which just dropped on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
VI is a is a TV review. It's kind of yeah,
but stay tuned. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So it's from the creator of Peaky blinders. His name
is Stephen Knight. Oh a great show. Yeah, And so
this is a story about if you might not have
guests from the title the Guinness Family, so like the
Brewing Dynasty. So it's kind of like succession, but in
nineteenth century Dublin slash New York. There's like I Love Dublin,
Yes vibes. It's got Irish music from like Kneecat Fontaine's
DC Floggy Molly, and it kind of shows the fallout
(02:28):
of the death of the family patriarch, which is Benjamin
Guinness in eighteen sixty eight, and then like the succession
of it all is like the legacy and the four
children he has and who's going to take over where
it gets exciting and where I have props to bring
into this episode and I'll describe them all to e
because this is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We are on YouTube, guys, but don't worry, We're gonna
describe this in such detail you'll feel like you're in
the room with us.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes, So it follows the four children. So Arthur is
played by an irishractor named Anthony Boyle. He's a bit
of a selfish dick, that's his vibe. Yeah, just so
you know. I'm going to show you a printed out picture,
a picture of this that I have brought into the
office and printed out by our producer Nisha.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
She's going to use it and she's going to use
it for pictures nefarious reasons. And you have you have
broken You've printed out pictures of hot boys? How much
interview you've printed that out and color? I've proven the
company correct. I should not be trusted, but laptop taken
to the printer, but Militia has access to the printer.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Print these out just to show you because I want
to get your honest reactions, because this is giving Bridgeton
esque fever on the internet, Like people are losing their
minds over this cast, over the casting, over the you know,
fan edits from the show, sexy slutty little montages, clips
from junkets, ships of who they want to see get together.
(03:50):
So it's very much giving like Bridgeton in the level
of fan fever that's picking up for this show. And
it's all about how hot everyone finds everyone? Wait, is
this this segment about how hot these boys are?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Of course it is. It is not a good use
of your time. Are you ready? I'm about to show
her a piece to show me. It just is this
boy of age, all of age. God, Laura, I don't
want to be creepy. Okay, So just so you know,
this segment has evolved into not a critique of the
new show that I was talking about, But you're going
to show me a photo of a hot boy.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yes, okay, so this is Anthony Boyle. What do we feel?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh the chicken the photo next to him is hot,
but he's not crazy. Is that a heart? Give it
to me. That's a heart throw you could have Jesus,
if you're going to take over the Prince, you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Could print that. One woulden print we had issues just
behind the scenes magic.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, listeners, I'm just gonna go ahead and say, this man,
talented and lovely in real life as he may be,
is not that hot. He's the standout. He's the one
that everyone is like, I'm making those traps off. You
absolutely need to watch this show, Laura, Bronek. He looks
like a creepy uncle in one of these that's trying
to take the family fortune. Well, that is his vibe.
I mean, it's kind of his fortunes beginness. But I
(04:59):
don't want to hang out with that that's the bar. You
can take that back. Don't put it anywhere. We'll take
that back. I'll frame it on my wall. Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Next we have the delightful Edward. He's an idealistic but very.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Young weber of the family and he's I feel like
the worst dating show ever where you're trying to set
me up with these men but they're not available and
don't never meet them. No, I'm just trying to get
you into the law so that you get into law.
Because you'd be telling me about the TV show you're
telling me about hot Am. I'm telling you both thinks
they're very important. This is Edward played by Louis Patrick. Oh,
my good friend, Olivia Rodrigo's boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, this is Olivia Rego's boyfriend and we love him
so so much.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The picture to me so I can really get up close. Well,
he's obviously hot, but he's like a young half frop.
But he looks way more hot in a period piece.
And he's going to be in crad and Prejudice as
mister Wickhamflix. So this is his first period piece. I mean,
and Nola Holmes kind of but like not really, I
think because mister Wickham is.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Ten years younger than Yeah. Yeah, it's not good casting,
but I am excited.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No, I think he can pull it. For Wickham, he's
got that kind of energy, wicked, dashing vibe about him.
He does, so he's a real cutie. Don't show anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The excitement that everyone's really thrilled for is that there's
all they weren't they Roman? So I haven't shown you
any picks of the girls yet because they're all divas.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
They're all really fier. But we always know the girls.
We don't need to know that. We only want to
objectify the man. I can't stress that, yes exactly. So
what we do have is miss Cheekbones over here. What
do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That is a woman like which of these boys you
calling miss? She has like the hair that I would
dream of. Yes, so I'm kind of amatracted to her.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, listeners, this is NEVEA McCormack and she stars as
Ellenka Crane. She's a working class rebel and she opposes
the Guinness family in Ireland and they influence over the town.
But is she a love interest for Edward? Who could say?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's all very exciting? What do you think? Why is
she in the hot boy pile of photos because I
just thought that that was a quality you're just trying
to not objectify.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yes, and then the very last one that we have
to talk about, and the reason we have to talk
about it is this is what the Guardian Fancy publication
titled their review of House of Guinness.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, House a Guinness review. James Norton's pheromones positively sizzle.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Off the screen. His pheromon He's pheromones. So you ready, Okay,
this is James Norton.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
What do we think? I mean, obviously that is a
hot hot man. Yes, I love. What else do we
have to say about his top listeners? He he's got
a top hat on, so already sold. Yeah. You know what,
how you have to make our top hat sex scenes
is so important for Hollywood to be across, is that
you have to look like you shouldn't be wearing a
top hat. So he looks very roguish and evil, as
if he's about to jump on a motorcycle. But he's
(07:31):
also wearing a top hat. And that's very astute observation
because he's kind of like domineering, violency leaning dude. He
is the guy who manages the Guinness Factory. His name
is Shaan Rafferty and he's kind.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Of like, look at these four rich idiot children of
the Guinness family. You know what I could do sneak
on in there and see if I could take over.
So we've got drama, we've got hot people, we have
Irish music. What more could you want? Laura Brodneck, that's
pretty much what people are looking for in TV shows
and movies right now. Like how many hot boys? And
I can't says this enough boys, not men. We've had
enough of men.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yes, we lean down with James Norton is like forty
four Hey, but boys a state of mind.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's a state of mind. And where I think it's
coming through is all the junkets that they're doing because
they're all having a giggle some there's been flirty moments
with interviewers that everyone's enjoying between the hot boys, between
some of the hot boys and the interviewers. It happens
to me when I go on interview, Well, you gotta
keep your finger on the pulse of who's hot.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Gotta no Can I tell you your way of speaking
and the way of the Internet's way of speaking of
hot boy syndrome has almost like leaked into my professional
life because the other day I was on a work
call with a bunch of agents to set up some interviews,
and they were saying, like, who of the cast of
these new movies do I want? Like this person, this person,
this person, and then like, oh, these other actors, like
they're not very well normal, they're about blow up. And
(08:45):
I was like, I don't know, We'll take any hot
young man, just any hot young man, throw them in.
And then I realized there was silence on the call,
and I realized that I was speaking in a way
that is not okay outside of our little section of
the office.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
No, this is just like the internet banter vibes. This
is not like what we would say on a phone
call with fancy people. Well I did, well, we did,
and that's okay. But it's the show of the moment.
Everyone should watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I have to say, the Guinness family not particularly happy
with their portrayal, but everyone else is having a great time,
and I do enjoy that the cast, no matter what
they've done, they keep getting handed Guinness and being asked
to split the gh which is the thing where you
have to drink to the g line on the game
that is okay, maybe this spill is dope. I've been
to Ireland. I've done that before. How did you say
that word Ireland? You did the like really like American
(09:27):
thing of going Ireland. Oh love you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's just a really interesting show that everyone's talking about.
And if you have been like wondering if you should
watch it, you should because there's nothing that I love
more than a TV show that spans off into like
one million TikTok videos that you can engage with, say.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
The name of the TV show one more time where
they come watching. In case people just tuned all of
that stuff about the hot boys out, That's okay if
you did. It is called the House of Guinness and
it is streaming on Netflix now. Well. Segueing from hot
boys to a hot young woman seems weird to say,
but that's that's the way we are. This is a
very professional, above board chat, is what I'm trying to say. So,
(10:03):
Tillie Norwood is the name of the young actress that
everyone is talking about at the moment. The biggest talent
agencies in the world world are circling her at the moment,
trying to get her on their books. Her name's been
floated for a bunch of big movie projects. Her management
team that she already has has said that she is
pretty much the next Scarlet Johansson or the nixt Natalie Portman,
(10:24):
or maybe both, and a lot of people in Hollywood
are kind of shaking their boots about like Tilly Norwood,
She's going to shake things up. The thing about Tilly, though,
is that she doesn't really exist. That was Coke co responds,
because Tilly is an AI generated actress who already is
(10:44):
setting up to have a bit of an extensive career.
So this whole thing kind of blow up recently at
the Zurich Film Festival where the creator of Tilly, which
is from a new AI talent studio, Exonia, said that
basically she is their creation and they had kind of
unveiled her and showed what she could do for projects
and movies, and saying that a lot of talent agencies
(11:06):
were really scrambling to sign her. There's AI models out
in the world that have huge followings, their AI travel influences,
their AI pop stars that have music that thousands and
thousands of people listen to and follow them. I think
the reason why this has caused such a stir is
that it looks like kind of the first time that
an AI actress is being positioned to actually have roles
(11:28):
built around her. Tilly, for her part, which I like to
hear what Tilly had to say on her official Facebook page,
can't believe it. My first ever role is live. I
start in a new comedy sketch called AI Commissioner. She's
very on the nose. Tilly's in on the joke, which
I think is fun, that's so important, which playfully explores
the future of TV development and is produced by my
(11:49):
incredible team. And then she said, so she's owning her backstory. Okay.
Much like some NEPO babies own the fact that they
come from famous families, Tilly is owning that she is
computer generated. Okay, because she said, I maybe I generated. Sorry,
these robots are gonna kill us all, but I just
it's funny at the moment. It's funny for now till
(12:10):
they rise up and murder assault. You know what, We'll
have a good two weeks. It's funny until Tilly launches
a podcast next week away out of a job. I know,
when does it end? Tilly said, I maybe AI generated,
but I'm I can't just we're sending him computer say, Laura,
just want to know, she said, I maybe a I generated.
(12:32):
I'm feeling really real emotions right now, and I'm so excited.
She's excited for what's coming next, which is terrifying because
she's not. I can't believe it's come to this. She's
probably gonna win an oscar next year. And she's saying,
I'm feeling really I like that. She has AI, which
(12:55):
trolls everything on the Internet that has ever existed, of
all time, and every word that exists, and she couldn't
come up with a word, so it said, I'm feeling
really real feeling. She just wants us to know that.
She's like, hey, guys, she's heard that honesty and vulnerability
work really well with audiences. That's so true, and so
Tilly is like, hey guys, I know i'm computer generated,
I'm AI, but I'm feeling really real emotions right now,
(13:15):
and I want you to know I'm really excited for
what's to come. And first of all, that's freaking terrified.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Are the real emotions, like feeling a little bit stubby, stabby,
anderous exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
That's when she's like, I'm so excited for what's coming next.
I'm like, that's not coming, yeah, I'm like, what's coming next? Tilly?
The end of the world. So this got reported on
very widely, like all the trade publications, Deadline, Variety all
picked this up because it was all certain at this
film festival that a lot of people who work in
the production and media side of film at and the
(13:48):
creators of Tilly or on stage. Tilly wasn't on stage
because she doesn't yet have a physical she doesn't exist yet.
We'll describe you to her in a minute, because I've
got feelings. Oh yeah, yeah, how wait to your description?
So this story went everywhere and it was being reported
that talent agencies were circling like proper talent agencies who
represent all the big stars, much like Scarlet Johansen and
(14:09):
another report of who Tilly apparently reminds everyone of them
and that's the career she's chasing, And a lot of
people were not very happy. So Jamie King basically just
wrote no across it. Kaylee Quoco said, tell me this
isn't real, tell me this isn't real. Yep. Melissa Barrera
our favorite Scream actress and also Love said, I hope
(14:31):
all the actors who are repped by the agents that
are trying to sign her you drop their ass. How
gross read the room. Yeah, and then Mara Wilson, star
of Matilda and Women's out Fire, that Laura Rodneck looks
a lot like one hundred percent. People think we are
the same person. Oh my god, wish you get a
it to mush your faces together. We're already the same person.
(14:53):
When I was little, people thought I was Mara Wilson.
Mara Wilson said, and what about the hundreds of living
young women whose faces were composited together to make her?
You couldn't hire any of them then, lactly Mara Wilson, Yeah, exactly.
There's again. I know, I'm laughing. There's a big conversation
to have here. Lucas Gage star The White Loaders season
two and smiled too, and in his own words, every
(15:15):
other TV show movie, because he's always like that, He's
always character. Yeah, we love Luca's Gage. He's very funny. Yeah,
he took a different tact. He tried to take Tilly
down my spreading rumors about her.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And do you know what, I think that is the
way forward if our actors are going to replace real actors,
then they need to be subject to the same like
scrutiny and scandal and that a real actor is put through.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Why not start a issue exactly. Lucas just started writing
under every post that mentioned her. I hear she's late.
I hear she stayed too long cross services. I hear
she bullied other people, other people on set, and she
couldn't win her mark and she was late. She couldn't
hit her mark and she was late. So his campaign's
a bit more grassroots, and I like, I'm interested to
see how it takes off. Tony Collette couldn't even find
(15:55):
the words. She just put a whole bunch of screaming emojis.
That's real across the story. So a lot of stars
in Hollywood have come out and said that if their
agents start rapping AI actors, particularly Tilly, who they've really
sent it in on, then they're going to drop them.
And a lot of people are saying that they would
never put Tilly in their movies and TV shows. But
the thing is, it's kind of already happening with her,
(16:17):
and it's gonna happen with her and other actors.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, and it was like the big controversy of Awards
season earlier this year, right, like films that included or
involved AI in their creation. So then obviously this natural
next step being great AI actors and people will use them.
People have, as you said, like that, it's like where
do you draw the line. I guess on the big
budget stuff that's really taking away work, like it's taking
away work from everyone.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, that's I mean a lot of people are saying,
like again, will she be in the next Marvel Cinematic
Universe and will she be like the next star of
you know, like an a twenty four film.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Robert Danny Junior and Pedro Scala walking down the Red cart.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
An iPad with Julia. It's like a touch to one
of those robots roll Store the Red Car and Petros
because he's nice to everyone, like me, my good friend.
Tilly's gonna be like inappropriate allegations against Pedro, Pascal and
the repot because everyone's like, why do all his female
co starts like him so much. I'm not super worried
(17:14):
about Tilly headlining movie at the moment, but what these
AI actors are going to do is like be the
side characters and stuff because you can, it'll be more
cost effective. You also don't have like I guess, human
emotion to deal with that pesky thing that we're trying
to weed out, like labor laws to deal with exactly.
You can AI child actor and not be worried about
the amount of time they can spend on set and
having a tutor there like to take them through school
(17:36):
or have a parent or guardian there. You're just AI
a child and AI back out again. And so it
kind of does look like this is the way we'll
be leaning. The one thing that I think will save
us from AI taking over leads of TV shows and
movies at the moment is they can do a press tour,
but they can't really do a press to it in
the way people want. And as you were saying before,
(17:56):
it's all about the press tours now and people being
cutesy on them. It is all about the press tour
and the banter and the clips that you can push
together and like what fun you can have. It's not
about this renesme looking robot does look like the sorry
from Twilight. She looks like that creepy little doll they
made like. She doesn't even look like a real person.
(18:17):
This is, and this is what a bunch of like
men get into a room and try and make a
young white woman they can control. Oh my god, that
got too real. But it's so true.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So obviously I've just compared her to Renesme from Twilight.
But I do think Laura's depiction of the what you've
said about it's like half Scarlet.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
To Hans and half Natalie Portman when they were young.
That's a pretty accurate thing. Like she's got like brown
long hair.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
She's got these big brown dough eyes, beautiful, big brown eyebrows,
you know, very.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Plush, youthful skin. She's got big lips.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like she's the exact amalgamation of like likable, presentable but
also like good all American girl features.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's so very talented. That is the actress that they
chose to create. Yeah. Again, it's like very young, vulnerable, thin, white, delicate,
doe eyed beauty who will kind of like do whatever
they want. There's yeah, I mean there's so many. I
know we were laughing before by the end of the
world because what else are you gonna do? But like
it is, and again I'm not complete against AIFA. Like
(19:15):
every single thing I think there are ways to help,
you know, you got to kind of get on board
with like ways for it to help do like admin
tasks and things. But I think it's a completely different
conversation when it comes to taking like a creative form
like a performance in a movie or a TV show
and giving it to an AI program.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And we've seen really like I don't want to get
too heavy, but there have been really dark things happening
on the Internet with the use of these AI tools
and how a lot of men have used these AI
tools for videos involving women. So like to actually take
it to that place in Hollywood, which is supposed to
be this safe space for the arts and this space
where you know, you can create content and actors can
come in and like do things that make us feel
(19:52):
things like that's what art is for. It's not supposed
to just be something that you like make easier with
a computer program. And it's just really depressing, I guess.
But like the thing for me is she does actually
look maybe a little bit more real than some of
the AI we've been seeing.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That's the thing. She looks so real. So they've been
doing video appearances with her own things and putting up
photos of her and again releasing quotes for her that
she's really excited and people don't know she's AI at all.
Like she could probably go through a whole press run
of an interview and it would take people a while
until you started doing like a live jungle to pick
up that she's not real.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Because you know, and like your mum sends you a
video of like an AI cat being friends with the
goldfish and you're like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
But it doesn't. Yeah, it's hard to tell. It's like
a I. But this is a bit. This is getting
harder to tell. This is like the highest kind of
tech in the world, yeah sort of thing. And just
because they can't make her human yet and then they
can't give her a physical form. Yeah you know that's coming.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh yeah, these robots and their AI. Yeah yeah, but yes,
I think it's quite concerning. And I do agree with
all the people being like every single actor in Hollywood
should go on strike today.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well that's what their strike was about, and they had
the actors strike. A lot of it was to write
guidelines into all of their contracts and to write guidelines
in with their union about the uses of AI on
film and now so many people are throwing the hands
over the air and like this is why we're picketing,
this is why we stopped work.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Exactly another time, there was so much criticism going like
it's all about the money. But it's like no, this
was literally like Renee Zellwerg in a calcument. They don't
care about that stuff. I mean, they care for the
sanctity of art, but like this is about background extras
and people who like pay their bills by being an actor,
who are being replaced by AI.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Like it's very depressing, go on strike and just to
finish up, just in case Tillie Norwood does take over.
I for one, I'm very excited to have you on
the podcast. Have you on spill interview about your next
dramatic movie or movie endeavor, And I for one would
like to say take me out. If that's the case,
I don't want to be here anymore. La so onto
a real movie star. Yes, That's all I'll say about
(21:48):
that is that Jennifer Lopez has a new movie coming
out and so she is back on the press circuit,
and it just fills me with a sense of calm
and like safety knowing that Jennifer Lopez is out promoting because, like,
I feel like that's always a fun time for us. Yes,
I love miss Jennifer Lopez. I love and her movie
circuits exactly never changed Jlo. So at the moment, she's
out promoting her new movie. Well, she's got a few
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things in the works, but one of them is Kiss
of the Spider Woman, which is a new upcoming movie
that she is the star of. And she did an
interview with CBS News Morning where she was talking about
the making of the film. And something that's really interesting
is that Ben Affleck. You might have heard of him,
I have, actually, Yeah. He likes coffee, right, he loves
Dunkan donall interesting and Phoenix tattoos and sadness and a
(22:33):
strolling a cardigan. Yeah, we love that man. Ben Affleck
produced the movie and he and Jennifer Lopez worked on
it very tirelessly together as a passion project back when
they were together. Yeah, they made a few movies in
that time. They were very creative together. I love that
a little bit of romance, but the creativity. And so
now the movie is coming out, and in this interview
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she was talking about working on the movie with Ben
and also coming back together with him and getting married
and finding love after being a part for twenty years,
and said it was the best thing that ever happened
to me. And then she wanted to talk about their
divorce and said, but it's changed now, but it helped
me grow in a way I needed to grow. I
became more self aware. I'm a different person now than
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I was last year or even a year and a
half ago. That's so beautiful, Jenniferlipis. Let me, what else
is she gonna say? No shit, and I hate we
didn't get divorced. She's like, yeah, it was beautiful then
and then it ended, but I'm a better person now.
What was more interesting was her talking about being on
the set of Kiss of the Spider Woman, because she
and Ben were working on that together, and she said,
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every moment on set, every moment I was doing this role,
I was so so happy. And then we would go
home and it was not great, and I was just like, oh,
you know, how do I reconcile this? But I knew
I needed to get through it. And what I find
interesting at that is I actually think when people talk
about Ben and jen being a bad fit, I don't
think they were at all. I think they were a
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bad fit domestically, but they came alive when they worked
on movies together and projects and people were saying like, oh,
benefite got dragged into her album and the music video
they went with it and the movie and he was
and He's like, no, he wasn't. He was in the mix,
he was directing it, he was producing it, he was
involved in the creative. Like, I think that they just
came together. They had like sparks in chemistry when they
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were working together and when they were hooking up, but
not when they tried to just like have a normal
domestic life together. Is my take on that. I would
agree with that it kind of feels like a situation
that ended up in a marriage. Like not not to
discount the value and love that they had together, but
I agree like they often just seem like two people
who like when everything was happening and there was lots
going on, and they will walking the streets kissing and
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having a good time, like that's when vibes were high.
But then obviously when they've tried to like marry, and
obviously the first time when they called off their engagement,
it seems like something similar might have happened. Is it
just they realized like it wasn't the right fit for forever. Well,
that's the think because they met on Jelly, and I
think they even though obvious this terrible movie. Yeah, they
met like being on a set together and like being
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creative and trying to like pull this movie together and
save it. They didn't succeed, but they tried. And then
I think most of their love story most of the
time they were married and together. I mean it wasn't
that long, but in that time they made like three movies. Yeah,
so it feels like that was the worst everything keeping
them It's like, yeah, it's like they're on set together,
there was so love and they get in the car
on the way home they're just like, oh yeah, like
(25:22):
maybe we're just really good co working. Yeah, we're just
great coworking. So I can't see why that would have
worked out, But I love that. She then said, like
this past summer was the best one she's ever had. Yeah,
Like it was. I mean, for sure, love single j Lo,
but like it kind of seems like a bit of
a thing of like, oh yeah, I used to be
sad at home and now I live my best life
and I have summer, like she's such a simple diva
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in that way. When do you think we're going to
get to the stage where people start and I know
it's already started, people start like thinking that she's going
to hook up with other people, or like being very
invested in her love life, or thinking, I know, people
keep thinking she and Ben are getting back together. And
what I saw from this interview is people thinking that
the Ben and Jen romance surfaced. I don't think it has.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't think it has, but I also wouldn't hate that.
I'd love but I kind of want more gap. I
think we've got to like revisit this love story every
like five to ten years.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I think that they're an iconic Hollywood romance at our time,
and it's way more fun when they come back together
every twenty years or so.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think we'll look back on it like you know
some of those like old school great Hollywood, like like
Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
But like that's the vibe I think we're gonna have
for Jlo and Bed forever. I love it for them.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I also think the thing with Jaylo, like you said,
when they've had like their flops or when they've had whatever, like,
oh him being brought into her movie. People kind of
put this thing on Jaylo that she's cringe and he's
just like tied to it. But then somehow when she
gets to a single point, everyone loves the cringe. Yeah,
because remember when the announcement went out that they were
getting divorced and she posted this like swimsuit picture showing
her butt in the mirror and she looks stunning, and
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everyone was like, Jlo, you're back, We love you the most,
or people just love the summer ice cream as much
as it's like people start to speculate and go, who
will she be next? And I think because of her
engagements or her weddings, Like it's become a bit of
a running joke with Jalo where it's like she single
or she can't land a man, and it's like she's
landed several. Actually, I think you'll find I think she's
quite good, pretty good at getting I mean, I would
(27:11):
love some tips. I think she gets bored of them exactly.
But I think people love the single Kim Kardashian energy.
Kin Kashi is like I'm ready for my next love story.
I'm ready to get.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Kim Kardashian has built a whole extra deposit in her
home for her husband. And I actually find that really
sweet because she's like, I believe in love and I'm
going to go again and get married again. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They have this like unashamedly like obsessed with love singleness,
like as a single girl who's like, like, I can't relate,
but I enjoy it in them. You're quite sweet and wholesome,
so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Our producer Minisha has some thoughts on who she would
like Jennifer Lopez to be with. You own, shut up
about this? Do you want to tell the people your
theory because you're not team ben Affleck. It's not really
a theory. It's a hope. Oh, it's a plan, it's
a manifestation.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm the only person I've met whose team mark Antony.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I feel one hundred percent the only person whose team
mark Antony. But I have a few reasons.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Please tell us they were together ten years, well almost,
they were married two thousand and four to twenty fourteen,
but they separated a few years before that.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They have the twins together. These are just the basic reasons.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
My niche reasons are he features in the hottest music
video of all time that comes only after what do
you mean by Justin Bieber and tonight I'm loving you,
Enrique Glecias.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And what this Okay? That list is already quite messed
up on okay, carry on, I'll ask later.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's Rain over Me with Pitbull, the one where they're
in the desert, the hottest music video of all time.
And I just think pulling a man like that, I mean,
I know Jaylo pulls a lot of men.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Why would you let that? I can't believe out of
all the sexy men that Jennifer Lopez has dated, that
you want to go back to Mark. I know he's
a huge superstar, is super talented, but she was a
marriag him for ten years. He must have something. Well,
a lot of people think he has sex appeal.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Right, people definitely think he has sex appeal. And I
think the fact what you say about how he's not
like the other he's not like the other boys, so
that he's not like Ben Affleck, He's not Hey Rod,
He's not this like hunky athlete. He has this like
what I've coined like Weaselman, sexy Weaselman, the original rat boy.
You will clearly had a lot going for him. There
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was clearly something there and when they were going out.
I remember she did this interview where she said something like, yeah,
sometimes people think the men that I go for aren't
conventionally attractive, like they just a little something something else, And.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I reckon, you can't replace that something something else.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
No, you need a little bit of juge to your personality.
And maybe that's what he has. Is that what he has.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I think that's what he has.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And if if that doesn't work out, then I think
Pitple and her could do a great thing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Oh my god, I would love to see Pitbull and jail.
That is a community.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Online that there's a big community.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, I like that. All right, Well, he's hoping sexy
Weaselman doesn't take off. I think after the rat boy situation,
I can't take that. Yeah, I don't know how to
say way in to their sex bit, so I'll say.
She also talked about her career in the interview. Not
anyone cares about that. I do, deeply. I care so
much because the interviewers said she's had two big Oscar
snumbs in her lifetime, in our lifetimes, one with in
(30:10):
nineteen ninety seven. For Selena, everyone that's valid her first
big acting role and everyone's like, she's incredible, She's getting
an Oscar nomination. She didn't. And then twenty nineteen for Hustlers,
and that one, I think really hit her hard because
she thought she was one hundred ccent getting an Oscar
nomination and she was heartbroken, as detailed in her halftime
(30:30):
Netflix special where you see her wake up very early
in the morning and look at her phone and see
that she has not been nominated for an Oscar and
she's really upset.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
She was, and there's been a lot of chat about
that now that Mikey Madison won for ANRA because at
the time when Jayla wasn't nominated, it was like, oh,
what's because she's portraying.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like someone who's in this industry, And then it was yeah,
Academy loves when women. They love when men play like
these kind of complicated heroes. And then the Academy very
famously love women who play to give them oscars prostitutes
and maids and those kind of and.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
They also love them to be like twenty two, your
men have to be like fifty yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Exactly, because they're like, you have to be an entreenew
to win, and so Jennifer Olpez was asked about Kiss
Spider Woman because's a lot of chat around that because
it's based on a very famous book. It's then a
Tony Award winning musical, it is now a movie. Jenna
Fhi Lopez desperately wanted to be in this movie. She
made it happen. There's a lot of chat this could
be her next Oscar run. So in this interview they
said to her, like, are you going again for an
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Oscar and are you expecting it? And she said, I'm
not expecting it. I learned my lesson last time, j Lo.
But then she said, I think the joy for me
is in doing it every single moment. It's just a
great conversation that you're doing the work that people recognize
and they love you, and that's enough. And to that,
I say, there's a lie. It was not that Longe
(31:45):
don't think it's enough for her. It's human nature. She
wants so bad. Of course she wants something.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You kind of wonder sometimes you're like, there has to
be a tear of actor where you go. I will
be happy if I keep getting cast in things, but
I never expect an Oscar. But you think she's on
the wrong. Who's going no, I've been.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I think she's now that she's had two big kind
of disappointments. I think now she feels like she has
to come full circle and get the Oscar. We were
saying yesterday, abou Taylor Swift still chasing an Oscar and
Taylor Swift still chasing Grammys. You get to the stage
where you have all the big movie roles, you have
so much money, you have so much fame, and so
then you're just chasing this one little thing that you
can't really buy. You can kind of buy an Oscar,
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but not completely. And it's kind of interesting because, like
Selena is the reason she then had a music career.
She wasn't a musician who became an actress, which is
like somehow how she ended up being seen. So I
think she's seen as like not a real actress by
some people. So that's probably why it means so much
to her as well, Right, yeah, one hundred percent. And
can I just say, I know this is probably the
wrong take, but I'll just say it is that I
(32:44):
kind of really want her to win an Oscar because
I feel like she's been through so much. I don't
know why I'm seeing Jennifer Lopez as an underdog, You're like, oh, Jennifer.
Actresses who star in smaller indie movies and they get
one shot in their career, like, they'll never get to
that height again. There's so many actresses whose names go
on to like the long list every year, who works
(33:04):
steadily but are not usually in the Oscar race. And
then when they don't get their nomination, that's a bigger
thing because that nomination have changed their career, Like and Austin.
Nomination is not going to change Jennifer Lopez's career. No,
but I just feel really bad for her and I
want her to have one. I really want her to
have one too. I love Jennifhi Lopez, but I love
Jennifer Lopez the actress. I have big separation between her
acting and her music. Person you don't like you don't
(33:24):
like her music.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, I like her music, but I have beef with
where it comes from and what she did.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
To get it. Why what do you mean? There's big
dramas like let's get loud. Oh my god, that's a
generational hit. Law of course, I love that song the way,
but you know, like the phrase Mariah Carrey, where she
was like asked, like, you know about Jennifer Lopez, and
she said, I don't know her. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That stems from like this really long running industry beef
between like Jennifer Lopez, Mariah Carey, and a bunch of
other artists with music because Jayla was renowned for like
stealing songs out from under people. I know she also
has full blown like sections of some of her songs
where she's not even singing. I've heard that, but is
that real. I've seen this woman live, I've met her personally.
(34:04):
I never herd sing personally, like up close, just to
me in a room. Yeah, but she can sing. You know,
she can sing. It's not about the fact that she
can't sing. Yeah, it's like weirdly that somehow she just
took songs off of people. So, like Diddy was the
one who helped her produce on the Six, which was
her like album, the first one that she did, and
like if You Had My Love, which was the number
(34:24):
one track from the album, it was stolen by Diddy
from an artist named Roxanne Shante and that was like
given to Jlo because he was like, well, yeah, I'll
make you a famous singer. And it just started this
pattern that eventually involved like Mariah Carey and like the
backing tune from a song Mariah wanted to reference, and
then Jlo referenced. She also did the same thing with
like the artist Amory and her song One Thing, which
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sounded the same.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
As Jayla's Get Right.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So it was just this like repeated pattern, which like
I never knew at the time. I loved the songs,
but when you go back and you listen to the music,
you're like, yeah, that's fully not Jennifer Lopez singing in
some of the choruses of her songs. And also when
you find out that those artists were kind of let
down by record labels.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, but it was just record label politics, where like
people fight over songs, and people bid for songs, and
people get given songs and they get taken away, and
it's like it's like a business going on behind the scenes.
Like you're saying that that's one side of it, and
the other side that she's like lifting music from other people.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I don't necessarily always think it was her. I think
it could have been she worked with I mean, part
of it was Diddy producing the album for Hole. I
believe he would steal and but say, like in twenty fourteen,
a shanty said that like jar Ruhl wrote I'm Real
and she wrote ain't it funny? And she did the
demo record and then she was really mad when it
was stolen. But she's also like, well, I guess I'm
happy because it's Jaelo, so my name's getting out there.
But like a shanty, famous woman like this was happening
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to a lot of people behind the scenes. So it
eventually involved Mariah Carey and that's actually where that I
don't know her beef kind of came from so as
much as Jalo. It was a diva off and Jalo
kind of tries to make fun of it and be like,
oh I know her, ha ha ha, and it's like, no,
this this beef has a bit of legs. I could
talk for hours, but I actually can't because we're on
a podcast right now. But it does make me think
Jaylo the singer, well.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
If you want to hear more of that story, let
us know, because well, so for documented guys, she wins
an oscar and she gets up on stage and she goes, hey,
a shanty, I did steal that. I did steal that
m and I'm so sorry and it led me to
this moment. So this is for you, this is for you,
and then she breaks part off like it's like this
is for Mariah. That's my dream. Well, I'm excited for
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because of the Settleman and for her. Her Win an't
Oscar problematic as she is the best the actress. What
a girl. I'm rooting for that one. Well, thank you
so much for listening to the Spill today. And look,
it was a very visual episode. So what I'm going
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(36:44):
the faces of all the hot boys, which will also
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Spill is produced by Minishismarron with sound production by Scott Stronik.
And we'll see you back here on your podcast feed
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So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to
the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
I'm Tina Burke. I am Mummy's pop culture and social editor.
(00:33):
And coming up on the show today, there is a
new actress of the scene in Hollywood that everyone is
talking about and when I say you won't believe her backstory,
you actually won't believe it, and she thing are pretty
furious at her. So we're going to get into that.
And Jennifer Lopez has given a new interview that's made
some people think that potentially she's getting back together with
Ben Aflake, but has also just shed light on the
(00:54):
real problem their marriage. Plus there's a whole thing about
her wedding an Oscar. We're going to get into that.
But first, Tina Burke, I'm not even sure what you've
prepped for our first segment, but you told me you
had some important, hard hitting news, and you and I
work together very closely and you handle a lot of
the breaking use the big stories. The roll out of
what people need to know today. Yes, I can't wait
(01:15):
to hear what this huge information is that I've missed.
That's so important, very huge.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So while you are very on the hot topics of
the world, somewhere that maybe you're not always on. Is
TikTok true or false? I'm on TikTok every second of
every day, knowing what's hot and what it's.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Not that I want a different corn of TikTok to
you for people who heard I ask a million Laura
anything episode. I like sasquatch news. News about monsters are
like Mermaid sightings. And I also enjoy like van life
because well, man, I think your FIP would be a view.
By the way, that's a for you page. Yeah, I
got that. I didn't know if you knew that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think your FIP would be a fascinating character study
and a nice place to be. Personally, my FIP is
dominated by the hot boys of the moment at all times.
So what I want to talk to you about today
is the House of Guinness, which just dropped on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
VI is a is a TV review. It's kind of yeah,
but stay tuned. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So it's from the creator of Peaky blinders. His name
is Stephen Knight. Oh a great show. Yeah, And so
this is a story about if you might not have
guests from the title the Guinness Family, so like the
Brewing Dynasty. So it's kind of like succession, but in
nineteenth century Dublin slash New York. There's like I Love Dublin,
Yes vibes. It's got Irish music from like Kneecat Fontaine's
DC Floggy Molly, and it kind of shows the fallout
(02:28):
of the death of the family patriarch, which is Benjamin
Guinness in eighteen sixty eight, and then like the succession
of it all is like the legacy and the four
children he has and who's going to take over where
it gets exciting and where I have props to bring
into this episode and I'll describe them all to e
because this is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We are on YouTube, guys, but don't worry, We're gonna
describe this in such detail you'll feel like you're in
the room with us.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes, So it follows the four children. So Arthur is
played by an irishractor named Anthony Boyle. He's a bit
of a selfish dick, that's his vibe. Yeah, just so
you know. I'm going to show you a printed out picture,
a picture of this that I have brought into the
office and printed out by our producer Nisha.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
She's going to use it and she's going to use
it for pictures nefarious reasons. And you have you have
broken You've printed out pictures of hot boys? How much
interview you've printed that out and color? I've proven the
company correct. I should not be trusted, but laptop taken
to the printer, but Militia has access to the printer.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Print these out just to show you because I want
to get your honest reactions, because this is giving Bridgeton
esque fever on the internet, Like people are losing their
minds over this cast, over the casting, over the you know,
fan edits from the show, sexy slutty little montages, clips
from junkets, ships of who they want to see get together.
(03:50):
So it's very much giving like Bridgeton in the level
of fan fever that's picking up for this show. And
it's all about how hot everyone finds everyone? Wait, is
this this segment about how hot these boys are?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Of course it is. It is not a good use
of your time. Are you ready? I'm about to show
her a piece to show me. It just is this
boy of age, all of age. God, Laura, I don't
want to be creepy. Okay, So just so you know,
this segment has evolved into not a critique of the
new show that I was talking about, But you're going
to show me a photo of a hot boy.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yes, okay, so this is Anthony Boyle. What do we feel?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh the chicken the photo next to him is hot,
but he's not crazy. Is that a heart? Give it
to me. That's a heart throw you could have Jesus,
if you're going to take over the Prince, you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Could print that. One woulden print we had issues just
behind the scenes magic.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, listeners, I'm just gonna go ahead and say, this man,
talented and lovely in real life as he may be,
is not that hot. He's the standout. He's the one
that everyone is like, I'm making those traps off. You
absolutely need to watch this show, Laura, Bronek. He looks
like a creepy uncle in one of these that's trying
to take the family fortune. Well, that is his vibe.
I mean, it's kind of his fortunes beginness. But I
(04:59):
don't want to hang out with that that's the bar. You
can take that back. Don't put it anywhere. We'll take
that back. I'll frame it on my wall. Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Next we have the delightful Edward. He's an idealistic but very.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Young weber of the family and he's I feel like
the worst dating show ever where you're trying to set
me up with these men but they're not available and
don't never meet them. No, I'm just trying to get
you into the law so that you get into law.
Because you'd be telling me about the TV show you're
telling me about hot Am. I'm telling you both thinks
they're very important. This is Edward played by Louis Patrick. Oh,
my good friend, Olivia Rodrigo's boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, this is Olivia Rego's boyfriend and we love him
so so much.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The picture to me so I can really get up close. Well,
he's obviously hot, but he's like a young half frop.
But he looks way more hot in a period piece.
And he's going to be in crad and Prejudice as
mister Wickhamflix. So this is his first period piece. I mean,
and Nola Holmes kind of but like not really, I
think because mister Wickham is.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Ten years younger than Yeah. Yeah, it's not good casting,
but I am excited.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No, I think he can pull it. For Wickham, he's
got that kind of energy, wicked, dashing vibe about him.
He does, so he's a real cutie. Don't show anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The excitement that everyone's really thrilled for is that there's
all they weren't they Roman? So I haven't shown you
any picks of the girls yet because they're all divas.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
They're all really fier. But we always know the girls.
We don't need to know that. We only want to
objectify the man. I can't stress that, yes exactly. So
what we do have is miss Cheekbones over here. What
do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That is a woman like which of these boys you
calling miss? She has like the hair that I would
dream of. Yes, so I'm kind of amatracted to her.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, listeners, this is NEVEA McCormack and she stars as
Ellenka Crane. She's a working class rebel and she opposes
the Guinness family in Ireland and they influence over the town.
But is she a love interest for Edward? Who could say?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's all very exciting? What do you think? Why is
she in the hot boy pile of photos because I
just thought that that was a quality you're just trying
to not objectify.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yes, and then the very last one that we have
to talk about, and the reason we have to talk
about it is this is what the Guardian Fancy publication
titled their review of House of Guinness.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, House a Guinness review. James Norton's pheromones positively sizzle.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Off the screen. His pheromon He's pheromones. So you ready, Okay,
this is James Norton.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
What do we think? I mean, obviously that is a
hot hot man. Yes, I love. What else do we
have to say about his top listeners? He he's got
a top hat on, so already sold. Yeah. You know what,
how you have to make our top hat sex scenes
is so important for Hollywood to be across, is that
you have to look like you shouldn't be wearing a
top hat. So he looks very roguish and evil, as
if he's about to jump on a motorcycle. But he's
(07:31):
also wearing a top hat. And that's very astute observation
because he's kind of like domineering, violency leaning dude. He
is the guy who manages the Guinness Factory. His name
is Shaan Rafferty and he's kind.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Of like, look at these four rich idiot children of
the Guinness family. You know what I could do sneak
on in there and see if I could take over.
So we've got drama, we've got hot people, we have
Irish music. What more could you want? Laura Brodneck, that's
pretty much what people are looking for in TV shows
and movies right now. Like how many hot boys? And
I can't says this enough boys, not men. We've had
enough of men.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yes, we lean down with James Norton is like forty
four Hey, but boys a state of mind.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's a state of mind. And where I think it's
coming through is all the junkets that they're doing because
they're all having a giggle some there's been flirty moments
with interviewers that everyone's enjoying between the hot boys, between
some of the hot boys and the interviewers. It happens
to me when I go on interview, Well, you gotta
keep your finger on the pulse of who's hot.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Gotta no Can I tell you your way of speaking
and the way of the Internet's way of speaking of
hot boy syndrome has almost like leaked into my professional
life because the other day I was on a work
call with a bunch of agents to set up some interviews,
and they were saying, like, who of the cast of
these new movies do I want? Like this person, this person,
this person, and then like, oh, these other actors, like
they're not very well normal, they're about blow up. And
(08:45):
I was like, I don't know, We'll take any hot
young man, just any hot young man, throw them in.
And then I realized there was silence on the call,
and I realized that I was speaking in a way
that is not okay outside of our little section of
the office.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
No, this is just like the internet banter vibes. This
is not like what we would say on a phone
call with fancy people. Well I did, well, we did,
and that's okay. But it's the show of the moment.
Everyone should watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I have to say, the Guinness family not particularly happy
with their portrayal, but everyone else is having a great time,
and I do enjoy that the cast, no matter what
they've done, they keep getting handed Guinness and being asked
to split the gh which is the thing where you
have to drink to the g line on the game
that is okay, maybe this spill is dope. I've been
to Ireland. I've done that before. How did you say
that word Ireland? You did the like really like American
(09:27):
thing of going Ireland. Oh love you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's just a really interesting show that everyone's talking about.
And if you have been like wondering if you should
watch it, you should because there's nothing that I love
more than a TV show that spans off into like
one million TikTok videos that you can engage with, say.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
The name of the TV show one more time where
they come watching. In case people just tuned all of
that stuff about the hot boys out, That's okay if
you did. It is called the House of Guinness and
it is streaming on Netflix now. Well. Segueing from hot
boys to a hot young woman seems weird to say,
but that's that's the way we are. This is a
very professional, above board chat, is what I'm trying to say. So,
(10:03):
Tillie Norwood is the name of the young actress that
everyone is talking about at the moment. The biggest talent
agencies in the world world are circling her at the moment,
trying to get her on their books. Her name's been
floated for a bunch of big movie projects. Her management
team that she already has has said that she is
pretty much the next Scarlet Johansson or the nixt Natalie Portman,
(10:24):
or maybe both, and a lot of people in Hollywood
are kind of shaking their boots about like Tilly Norwood,
She's going to shake things up. The thing about Tilly, though,
is that she doesn't really exist. That was Coke co responds,
because Tilly is an AI generated actress who already is
(10:44):
setting up to have a bit of an extensive career.
So this whole thing kind of blow up recently at
the Zurich Film Festival where the creator of Tilly, which
is from a new AI talent studio, Exonia, said that
basically she is their creation and they had kind of
unveiled her and showed what she could do for projects
and movies, and saying that a lot of talent agencies
(11:06):
were really scrambling to sign her. There's AI models out
in the world that have huge followings, their AI travel influences,
their AI pop stars that have music that thousands and
thousands of people listen to and follow them. I think
the reason why this has caused such a stir is
that it looks like kind of the first time that
an AI actress is being positioned to actually have roles
(11:28):
built around her. Tilly, for her part, which I like to
hear what Tilly had to say on her official Facebook page,
can't believe it. My first ever role is live. I
start in a new comedy sketch called AI Commissioner. She's
very on the nose. Tilly's in on the joke, which
I think is fun, that's so important, which playfully explores
the future of TV development and is produced by my
(11:49):
incredible team. And then she said, so she's owning her backstory. Okay.
Much like some NEPO babies own the fact that they
come from famous families, Tilly is owning that she is
computer generated. Okay, because she said, I maybe I generated. Sorry,
these robots are gonna kill us all, but I just
it's funny at the moment. It's funny for now till
(12:10):
they rise up and murder assault. You know what, We'll
have a good two weeks. It's funny until Tilly launches
a podcast next week away out of a job. I know,
when does it end? Tilly said, I maybe AI generated,
but I'm I can't just we're sending him computer say, Laura,
just want to know, she said, I maybe a I generated.
(12:32):
I'm feeling really real emotions right now, and I'm so excited.
She's excited for what's coming next, which is terrifying because
she's not. I can't believe it's come to this. She's
probably gonna win an oscar next year. And she's saying,
I'm feeling really I like that. She has AI, which
(12:55):
trolls everything on the Internet that has ever existed, of
all time, and every word that exists, and she couldn't
come up with a word, so it said, I'm feeling
really real feeling. She just wants us to know that.
She's like, hey, guys, she's heard that honesty and vulnerability
work really well with audiences. That's so true, and so
Tilly is like, hey guys, I know i'm computer generated,
I'm AI, but I'm feeling really real emotions right now,
(13:15):
and I want you to know I'm really excited for
what's to come. And first of all, that's freaking terrified.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Are the real emotions, like feeling a little bit stubby, stabby,
anderous exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
That's when she's like, I'm so excited for what's coming next.
I'm like, that's not coming, yeah, I'm like, what's coming next? Tilly?
The end of the world. So this got reported on
very widely, like all the trade publications, Deadline, Variety all
picked this up because it was all certain at this
film festival that a lot of people who work in
the production and media side of film at and the
(13:48):
creators of Tilly or on stage. Tilly wasn't on stage
because she doesn't yet have a physical she doesn't exist yet.
We'll describe you to her in a minute, because I've
got feelings. Oh yeah, yeah, how wait to your description?
So this story went everywhere and it was being reported
that talent agencies were circling like proper talent agencies who
represent all the big stars, much like Scarlet Johansen and
(14:09):
another report of who Tilly apparently reminds everyone of them
and that's the career she's chasing, And a lot of
people were not very happy. So Jamie King basically just
wrote no across it. Kaylee Quoco said, tell me this
isn't real, tell me this isn't real. Yep. Melissa Barrera
our favorite Scream actress and also Love said, I hope
(14:31):
all the actors who are repped by the agents that
are trying to sign her you drop their ass. How
gross read the room. Yeah, and then Mara Wilson, star
of Matilda and Women's out Fire, that Laura Rodneck looks
a lot like one hundred percent. People think we are
the same person. Oh my god, wish you get a
it to mush your faces together. We're already the same person.
(14:53):
When I was little, people thought I was Mara Wilson.
Mara Wilson said, and what about the hundreds of living
young women whose faces were composited together to make her?
You couldn't hire any of them then, lactly Mara Wilson, Yeah, exactly.
There's again. I know, I'm laughing. There's a big conversation
to have here. Lucas Gage star The White Loaders season
two and smiled too, and in his own words, every
(15:15):
other TV show movie, because he's always like that, He's
always character. Yeah, we love Luca's Gage. He's very funny. Yeah,
he took a different tact. He tried to take Tilly
down my spreading rumors about her.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And do you know what, I think that is the
way forward if our actors are going to replace real actors,
then they need to be subject to the same like
scrutiny and scandal and that a real actor is put through.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Why not start a issue exactly. Lucas just started writing
under every post that mentioned her. I hear she's late.
I hear she stayed too long cross services. I hear
she bullied other people, other people on set, and she
couldn't win her mark and she was late. She couldn't
hit her mark and she was late. So his campaign's
a bit more grassroots, and I like, I'm interested to
see how it takes off. Tony Collette couldn't even find
(15:55):
the words. She just put a whole bunch of screaming emojis.
That's real across the story. So a lot of stars
in Hollywood have come out and said that if their
agents start rapping AI actors, particularly Tilly, who they've really
sent it in on, then they're going to drop them.
And a lot of people are saying that they would
never put Tilly in their movies and TV shows. But
the thing is, it's kind of already happening with her,
(16:17):
and it's gonna happen with her and other actors.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, and it was like the big controversy of Awards
season earlier this year, right, like films that included or
involved AI in their creation. So then obviously this natural
next step being great AI actors and people will use them.
People have, as you said, like that, it's like where
do you draw the line. I guess on the big
budget stuff that's really taking away work, like it's taking
away work from everyone.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, that's I mean a lot of people are saying,
like again, will she be in the next Marvel Cinematic
Universe and will she be like the next star of
you know, like an a twenty four film.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Robert Danny Junior and Pedro Scala walking down the Red cart.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
An iPad with Julia. It's like a touch to one
of those robots roll Store the Red Car and Petros
because he's nice to everyone, like me, my good friend.
Tilly's gonna be like inappropriate allegations against Pedro, Pascal and
the repot because everyone's like, why do all his female
co starts like him so much. I'm not super worried
(17:14):
about Tilly headlining movie at the moment, but what these
AI actors are going to do is like be the
side characters and stuff because you can, it'll be more
cost effective. You also don't have like I guess, human
emotion to deal with that pesky thing that we're trying
to weed out, like labor laws to deal with exactly.
You can AI child actor and not be worried about
the amount of time they can spend on set and
having a tutor there like to take them through school
(17:36):
or have a parent or guardian there. You're just AI
a child and AI back out again. And so it
kind of does look like this is the way we'll
be leaning. The one thing that I think will save
us from AI taking over leads of TV shows and
movies at the moment is they can do a press tour,
but they can't really do a press to it in
the way people want. And as you were saying before,
(17:56):
it's all about the press tours now and people being
cutesy on them. It is all about the press tour
and the banter and the clips that you can push
together and like what fun you can have. It's not
about this renesme looking robot does look like the sorry
from Twilight. She looks like that creepy little doll they
made like. She doesn't even look like a real person.
(18:17):
This is, and this is what a bunch of like
men get into a room and try and make a
young white woman they can control. Oh my god, that
got too real. But it's so true.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So obviously I've just compared her to Renesme from Twilight.
But I do think Laura's depiction of the what you've
said about it's like half Scarlet.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
To Hans and half Natalie Portman when they were young.
That's a pretty accurate thing. Like she's got like brown
long hair.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
She's got these big brown dough eyes, beautiful, big brown eyebrows,
you know, very.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Plush, youthful skin. She's got big lips.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like she's the exact amalgamation of like likable, presentable but
also like good all American girl features.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's so very talented. That is the actress that they
chose to create. Yeah. Again, it's like very young, vulnerable, thin, white, delicate,
doe eyed beauty who will kind of like do whatever
they want. There's yeah, I mean there's so many. I
know we were laughing before by the end of the
world because what else are you gonna do? But like
it is, and again I'm not complete against AIFA. Like
(19:15):
every single thing I think there are ways to help,
you know, you got to kind of get on board
with like ways for it to help do like admin
tasks and things. But I think it's a completely different
conversation when it comes to taking like a creative form
like a performance in a movie or a TV show
and giving it to an AI program.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And we've seen really like I don't want to get
too heavy, but there have been really dark things happening
on the Internet with the use of these AI tools
and how a lot of men have used these AI
tools for videos involving women. So like to actually take
it to that place in Hollywood, which is supposed to
be this safe space for the arts and this space
where you know, you can create content and actors can
come in and like do things that make us feel
(19:52):
things like that's what art is for. It's not supposed
to just be something that you like make easier with
a computer program. And it's just really depressing, I guess.
But like the thing for me is she does actually
look maybe a little bit more real than some of
the AI we've been seeing.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That's the thing. She looks so real. So they've been
doing video appearances with her own things and putting up
photos of her and again releasing quotes for her that
she's really excited and people don't know she's AI at all.
Like she could probably go through a whole press run
of an interview and it would take people a while
until you started doing like a live jungle to pick
up that she's not real.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Because you know, and like your mum sends you a
video of like an AI cat being friends with the
goldfish and you're like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
But it doesn't. Yeah, it's hard to tell. It's like
a I. But this is a bit. This is getting
harder to tell. This is like the highest kind of
tech in the world, yeah sort of thing. And just
because they can't make her human yet and then they
can't give her a physical form. Yeah you know that's coming.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh yeah, these robots and their AI. Yeah yeah, but yes,
I think it's quite concerning. And I do agree with
all the people being like every single actor in Hollywood
should go on strike today.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well that's what their strike was about, and they had
the actors strike. A lot of it was to write
guidelines into all of their contracts and to write guidelines
in with their union about the uses of AI on
film and now so many people are throwing the hands
over the air and like this is why we're picketing,
this is why we stopped work.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Exactly another time, there was so much criticism going like
it's all about the money. But it's like no, this
was literally like Renee Zellwerg in a calcument. They don't
care about that stuff. I mean, they care for the
sanctity of art, but like this is about background extras
and people who like pay their bills by being an actor,
who are being replaced by AI.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Like it's very depressing, go on strike and just to
finish up, just in case Tillie Norwood does take over.
I for one, I'm very excited to have you on
the podcast. Have you on spill interview about your next
dramatic movie or movie endeavor, And I for one would
like to say take me out. If that's the case,
I don't want to be here anymore. La so onto
a real movie star. Yes, That's all I'll say about
(21:48):
that is that Jennifer Lopez has a new movie coming
out and so she is back on the press circuit,
and it just fills me with a sense of calm
and like safety knowing that Jennifer Lopez is out promoting because, like,
I feel like that's always a fun time for us. Yes,
I love miss Jennifer Lopez. I love and her movie
circuits exactly never changed Jlo. So at the moment, she's
out promoting her new movie. Well, she's got a few
(22:11):
things in the works, but one of them is Kiss
of the Spider Woman, which is a new upcoming movie
that she is the star of. And she did an
interview with CBS News Morning where she was talking about
the making of the film. And something that's really interesting
is that Ben Affleck. You might have heard of him,
I have, actually, Yeah. He likes coffee, right, he loves
Dunkan donall interesting and Phoenix tattoos and sadness and a
(22:33):
strolling a cardigan. Yeah, we love that man. Ben Affleck
produced the movie and he and Jennifer Lopez worked on
it very tirelessly together as a passion project back when
they were together. Yeah, they made a few movies in
that time. They were very creative together. I love that
a little bit of romance, but the creativity. And so
now the movie is coming out, and in this interview
(22:54):
she was talking about working on the movie with Ben
and also coming back together with him and getting married
and finding love after being a part for twenty years,
and said it was the best thing that ever happened
to me. And then she wanted to talk about their
divorce and said, but it's changed now, but it helped
me grow in a way I needed to grow. I
became more self aware. I'm a different person now than
(23:15):
I was last year or even a year and a
half ago. That's so beautiful, Jenniferlipis. Let me, what else
is she gonna say? No shit, and I hate we
didn't get divorced. She's like, yeah, it was beautiful then
and then it ended, but I'm a better person now.
What was more interesting was her talking about being on
the set of Kiss of the Spider Woman, because she
and Ben were working on that together, and she said,
(23:35):
every moment on set, every moment I was doing this role,
I was so so happy. And then we would go
home and it was not great, and I was just like, oh,
you know, how do I reconcile this? But I knew
I needed to get through it. And what I find
interesting at that is I actually think when people talk
about Ben and jen being a bad fit, I don't
think they were at all. I think they were a
(23:56):
bad fit domestically, but they came alive when they worked
on movies together and projects and people were saying like, oh,
benefite got dragged into her album and the music video
they went with it and the movie and he was
and He's like, no, he wasn't. He was in the mix,
he was directing it, he was producing it, he was
involved in the creative. Like, I think that they just
came together. They had like sparks in chemistry when they
(24:19):
were working together and when they were hooking up, but
not when they tried to just like have a normal
domestic life together. Is my take on that. I would
agree with that it kind of feels like a situation
that ended up in a marriage. Like not not to
discount the value and love that they had together, but
I agree like they often just seem like two people
who like when everything was happening and there was lots
going on, and they will walking the streets kissing and
(24:41):
having a good time, like that's when vibes were high.
But then obviously when they've tried to like marry, and
obviously the first time when they called off their engagement,
it seems like something similar might have happened. Is it
just they realized like it wasn't the right fit for forever. Well,
that's the think because they met on Jelly, and I
think they even though obvious this terrible movie. Yeah, they
met like being on a set together and like being
(25:01):
creative and trying to like pull this movie together and
save it. They didn't succeed, but they tried. And then
I think most of their love story most of the
time they were married and together. I mean it wasn't
that long, but in that time they made like three movies. Yeah,
so it feels like that was the worst everything keeping
them It's like, yeah, it's like they're on set together,
there was so love and they get in the car
on the way home they're just like, oh yeah, like
(25:22):
maybe we're just really good co working. Yeah, we're just
great coworking. So I can't see why that would have
worked out, But I love that. She then said, like
this past summer was the best one she's ever had. Yeah,
Like it was. I mean, for sure, love single j Lo,
but like it kind of seems like a bit of
a thing of like, oh yeah, I used to be
sad at home and now I live my best life
and I have summer, like she's such a simple diva
(25:44):
in that way. When do you think we're going to
get to the stage where people start and I know
it's already started, people start like thinking that she's going
to hook up with other people, or like being very
invested in her love life, or thinking, I know, people
keep thinking she and Ben are getting back together. And
what I saw from this interview is people thinking that
the Ben and Jen romance surfaced. I don't think it has.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't think it has, but I also wouldn't hate that.
I'd love but I kind of want more gap. I
think we've got to like revisit this love story every
like five to ten years.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I think that they're an iconic Hollywood romance at our time,
and it's way more fun when they come back together
every twenty years or so.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think we'll look back on it like you know
some of those like old school great Hollywood, like like
Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
But like that's the vibe I think we're gonna have
for Jlo and Bed forever. I love it for them.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I also think the thing with Jaylo, like you said,
when they've had like their flops or when they've had whatever, like,
oh him being brought into her movie. People kind of
put this thing on Jaylo that she's cringe and he's
just like tied to it. But then somehow when she
gets to a single point, everyone loves the cringe. Yeah,
because remember when the announcement went out that they were
getting divorced and she posted this like swimsuit picture showing
her butt in the mirror and she looks stunning, and
(26:50):
everyone was like, Jlo, you're back, We love you the most,
or people just love the summer ice cream as much
as it's like people start to speculate and go, who
will she be next? And I think because of her
engagements or her weddings, Like it's become a bit of
a running joke with Jalo where it's like she single
or she can't land a man, and it's like she's
landed several. Actually, I think you'll find I think she's
quite good, pretty good at getting I mean, I would
(27:11):
love some tips. I think she gets bored of them exactly.
But I think people love the single Kim Kardashian energy.
Kin Kashi is like I'm ready for my next love story.
I'm ready to get.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Kim Kardashian has built a whole extra deposit in her
home for her husband. And I actually find that really
sweet because she's like, I believe in love and I'm
going to go again and get married again. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They have this like unashamedly like obsessed with love singleness,
like as a single girl who's like, like, I can't relate,
but I enjoy it in them. You're quite sweet and wholesome,
so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Our producer Minisha has some thoughts on who she would
like Jennifer Lopez to be with. You own, shut up
about this? Do you want to tell the people your
theory because you're not team ben Affleck. It's not really
a theory. It's a hope. Oh, it's a plan, it's
a manifestation.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm the only person I've met whose team mark Antony.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I feel one hundred percent the only person whose team
mark Antony. But I have a few reasons.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Please tell us they were together ten years, well almost,
they were married two thousand and four to twenty fourteen,
but they separated a few years before that.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They have the twins together. These are just the basic reasons.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
My niche reasons are he features in the hottest music
video of all time that comes only after what do
you mean by Justin Bieber and tonight I'm loving you,
Enrique Glecias.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And what this Okay? That list is already quite messed
up on okay, carry on, I'll ask later.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's Rain over Me with Pitbull, the one where they're
in the desert, the hottest music video of all time.
And I just think pulling a man like that, I mean,
I know Jaylo pulls a lot of men.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Why would you let that? I can't believe out of
all the sexy men that Jennifer Lopez has dated, that
you want to go back to Mark. I know he's
a huge superstar, is super talented, but she was a
marriag him for ten years. He must have something. Well,
a lot of people think he has sex appeal.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Right, people definitely think he has sex appeal. And I
think the fact what you say about how he's not
like the other he's not like the other boys, so
that he's not like Ben Affleck, He's not Hey Rod,
He's not this like hunky athlete. He has this like
what I've coined like Weaselman, sexy Weaselman, the original rat boy.
You will clearly had a lot going for him. There
(29:18):
was clearly something there and when they were going out.
I remember she did this interview where she said something like, yeah,
sometimes people think the men that I go for aren't
conventionally attractive, like they just a little something something else, And.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I reckon, you can't replace that something something else.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
No, you need a little bit of juge to your personality.
And maybe that's what he has. Is that what he has.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I think that's what he has.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And if if that doesn't work out, then I think
Pitple and her could do a great thing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Oh my god, I would love to see Pitbull and jail.
That is a community.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Online that there's a big community.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, I like that. All right, Well, he's hoping sexy
Weaselman doesn't take off. I think after the rat boy situation,
I can't take that. Yeah, I don't know how to
say way in to their sex bit, so I'll say.
She also talked about her career in the interview. Not
anyone cares about that. I do, deeply. I care so
much because the interviewers said she's had two big Oscar
snumbs in her lifetime, in our lifetimes, one with in
(30:10):
nineteen ninety seven. For Selena, everyone that's valid her first
big acting role and everyone's like, she's incredible, She's getting
an Oscar nomination. She didn't. And then twenty nineteen for Hustlers,
and that one, I think really hit her hard because
she thought she was one hundred ccent getting an Oscar
nomination and she was heartbroken, as detailed in her halftime
(30:30):
Netflix special where you see her wake up very early
in the morning and look at her phone and see
that she has not been nominated for an Oscar and
she's really upset.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
She was, and there's been a lot of chat about
that now that Mikey Madison won for ANRA because at
the time when Jayla wasn't nominated, it was like, oh,
what's because she's portraying.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like someone who's in this industry, And then it was yeah,
Academy loves when women. They love when men play like
these kind of complicated heroes. And then the Academy very
famously love women who play to give them oscars prostitutes
and maids and those kind of and.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
They also love them to be like twenty two, your
men have to be like fifty yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Exactly, because they're like, you have to be an entreenew
to win, and so Jennifer Olpez was asked about Kiss
Spider Woman because's a lot of chat around that because
it's based on a very famous book. It's then a
Tony Award winning musical, it is now a movie. Jenna
Fhi Lopez desperately wanted to be in this movie. She
made it happen. There's a lot of chat this could
be her next Oscar run. So in this interview they
said to her, like, are you going again for an
(31:25):
Oscar and are you expecting it? And she said, I'm
not expecting it. I learned my lesson last time, j Lo.
But then she said, I think the joy for me
is in doing it every single moment. It's just a
great conversation that you're doing the work that people recognize
and they love you, and that's enough. And to that,
I say, there's a lie. It was not that Longe
(31:45):
don't think it's enough for her. It's human nature. She
wants so bad. Of course she wants something.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You kind of wonder sometimes you're like, there has to
be a tear of actor where you go. I will
be happy if I keep getting cast in things, but
I never expect an Oscar. But you think she's on
the wrong. Who's going no, I've been.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I think she's now that she's had two big kind
of disappointments. I think now she feels like she has
to come full circle and get the Oscar. We were
saying yesterday, abou Taylor Swift still chasing an Oscar and
Taylor Swift still chasing Grammys. You get to the stage
where you have all the big movie roles, you have
so much money, you have so much fame, and so
then you're just chasing this one little thing that you
can't really buy. You can kind of buy an Oscar,
(32:22):
but not completely. And it's kind of interesting because, like
Selena is the reason she then had a music career.
She wasn't a musician who became an actress, which is
like somehow how she ended up being seen. So I
think she's seen as like not a real actress by
some people. So that's probably why it means so much
to her as well, Right, yeah, one hundred percent. And
can I just say, I know this is probably the
wrong take, but I'll just say it is that I
(32:44):
kind of really want her to win an Oscar because
I feel like she's been through so much. I don't
know why I'm seeing Jennifer Lopez as an underdog, You're like, oh, Jennifer.
Actresses who star in smaller indie movies and they get
one shot in their career, like, they'll never get to
that height again. There's so many actresses whose names go
on to like the long list every year, who works
(33:04):
steadily but are not usually in the Oscar race. And
then when they don't get their nomination, that's a bigger
thing because that nomination have changed their career, Like and Austin.
Nomination is not going to change Jennifer Lopez's career. No,
but I just feel really bad for her and I
want her to have one. I really want her to
have one too. I love Jennifhi Lopez, but I love
Jennifer Lopez the actress. I have big separation between her
acting and her music. Person you don't like you don't
(33:24):
like her music.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, I like her music, but I have beef with
where it comes from and what she did.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
To get it. Why what do you mean? There's big
dramas like let's get loud. Oh my god, that's a
generational hit. Law of course, I love that song the way,
but you know, like the phrase Mariah Carrey, where she
was like asked, like, you know about Jennifer Lopez, and
she said, I don't know her. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That stems from like this really long running industry beef
between like Jennifer Lopez, Mariah Carey, and a bunch of
other artists with music because Jayla was renowned for like
stealing songs out from under people. I know she also
has full blown like sections of some of her songs
where she's not even singing. I've heard that, but is
that real. I've seen this woman live, I've met her personally.
(34:04):
I never herd sing personally, like up close, just to
me in a room. Yeah, but she can sing. You know,
she can sing. It's not about the fact that she
can't sing. Yeah, it's like weirdly that somehow she just
took songs off of people. So, like Diddy was the
one who helped her produce on the Six, which was
her like album, the first one that she did, and
like if You Had My Love, which was the number
(34:24):
one track from the album, it was stolen by Diddy
from an artist named Roxanne Shante and that was like
given to Jlo because he was like, well, yeah, I'll
make you a famous singer. And it just started this
pattern that eventually involved like Mariah Carey and like the
backing tune from a song Mariah wanted to reference, and
then Jlo referenced. She also did the same thing with
like the artist Amory and her song One Thing, which
(34:45):
sounded the same.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
As Jayla's Get Right.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So it was just this like repeated pattern, which like
I never knew at the time. I loved the songs,
but when you go back and you listen to the music,
you're like, yeah, that's fully not Jennifer Lopez singing in
some of the choruses of her songs. And also when
you find out that those artists were kind of let
down by record labels.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, but it was just record label politics, where like
people fight over songs, and people bid for songs, and
people get given songs and they get taken away, and
it's like it's like a business going on behind the scenes.
Like you're saying that that's one side of it, and
the other side that she's like lifting music from other people.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I don't necessarily always think it was her. I think
it could have been she worked with I mean, part
of it was Diddy producing the album for Hole. I
believe he would steal and but say, like in twenty fourteen,
a shanty said that like jar Ruhl wrote I'm Real
and she wrote ain't it funny? And she did the
demo record and then she was really mad when it
was stolen. But she's also like, well, I guess I'm
happy because it's Jaelo, so my name's getting out there.
But like a shanty, famous woman like this was happening
(35:39):
to a lot of people behind the scenes. So it
eventually involved Mariah Carey and that's actually where that I
don't know her beef kind of came from so as
much as Jalo. It was a diva off and Jalo
kind of tries to make fun of it and be like,
oh I know her, ha ha ha, and it's like, no,
this this beef has a bit of legs. I could
talk for hours, but I actually can't because we're on
a podcast right now. But it does make me think
Jaylo the singer, well.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
If you want to hear more of that story, let
us know, because well, so for documented guys, she wins
an oscar and she gets up on stage and she goes, hey,
a shanty, I did steal that. I did steal that
m and I'm so sorry and it led me to
this moment. So this is for you, this is for you,
and then she breaks part off like it's like this
is for Mariah. That's my dream. Well, I'm excited for
(36:23):
because of the Settleman and for her. Her Win an't
Oscar problematic as she is the best the actress. What
a girl. I'm rooting for that one. Well, thank you
so much for listening to the Spill today. And look,
it was a very visual episode. So what I'm going
to say on that is make sure that you are
also watching us on YouTube. We put all of our
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podcast on YouTube and you'll see our beautiful faces and
(36:44):
the faces of all the hot boys, which will also
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Spill is produced by Minishismarron with sound production by Scott Stronik.
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