October 13, 2025 • 31 mins
Meghan Markle is being accused of pushing her way into Paris Fashion Week and inviting herself to the biggest shows, but we’ve uncovered the real story of why she was there.
Plus, Taylor Swift has announced that the long-awaited Eras Tour documentary is finally on its way, and we’ve dissected every frame of the trailer to find some hidden details about her life that you definitely missed.
And Katy Perry has been photographed (by paparazzi, it has to be said) making out with Former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on her fancy yacht. It’s all part of a strategic launch plan the couple is rolling out. And Justin Trudeau's ex-wife has even weighed in on the story.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm Kissania Lee Kisch and coming up on
the show today, Taylor Swift has released the first trail
of for her new docu series, and we have homed
(00:36):
through it to find a bunch of hidden details about
her life after the show, her relationship Travis Kelsey, So
many little details we're going to get into. Plus we're
going to talk about those Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau
photos and how it's a bit of a strategic move
from Katy Perry.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So we're going to get into that, but first, but first.
The new creative director of Balenciaga has revealed how Megan
Markle was invited to his show in Paris earlier this month. Now,
Pierre Parlo Piccioli, I had to practice saying that a
couple of times. Great name, by the way, he said
that Megan Michael actually reached out to him and asked
(01:17):
to come to the show. Now, a number of reports
were saying that she just invited herself. And I think
that's a little bit unfair, to be honest, because when
I actually click into the article and see what he said,
you know, she just rocked up to the door and
started knocking and saying can I come in? So apparently
the two have been texting for a while, and apparently
(01:38):
she messaged him and said she'd love to come to
the show. There was no strategy or big orchestration. I
didn't tell anyone she was coming because I wanted to
stay a surprise. So obviously their mates and he said, oh, yes,
of course, come along. The reason that I buy this
and that I don't think it's her sort of trying
to get her way into the fashion set is because
(02:00):
the way the fashion pr works is that they invite
different people every season. Obviously, you've got your staples, you've
got like your Anna Wintours, but then each year they'll
invite different influences or celebrities or whatever. But Megan Michael's
not really a part of that fashion week circuit. So
I feel like it's not crazy to think that they
wouldn't just assume to invite her, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, absolutely, And if you just read the headlines, it
does look like she demanded to be included and that
she pushed herself into an environment that she wasn't wanted,
And a lot of that comes off all the reports
around her behavior at fashion Week, which we touched on
briefly the other day and now it'll wrap up of
which celebrities were there, But there was a lot of
negative press around how she walked out her show, that
(02:41):
it looked like she was slowing down and sort of
doing this very kind of model s walk for photographers,
which is what a lot of people do at fashion week,
because the whole point of a designer giving you an
outfit to her and you're going to a show is
for you to show your support and show off the outfit.
If you're someone like Megan Markle, if you're another celebrity,
could be to get headlines. There's so many different things,
but it's just because any negative headline about Megan Markle
(03:05):
just clicks so well, and so this idea that she
was pushing her way into fashion week has just gone
on every single website because everyone would be getting crazy
clicks from it, and it comes off the back of
like Chrissy Tague and talking about being on her with
Love Megan Netflix show and just saying she's so polarizing
and I can't put my finger on why.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Obviously we know.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Why because it comes off the whole her and Harry
getting married, and even back then g remem when they
first got married, Harry and Meghan, and every article that
was written and every story that was told was like,
she's worn the wrong now polished, she's worn the wrong stockings,
she's going against public, and a lot of them were
done kind of in like an innocent way, but it's
because that's the only thing people click on exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And I'm not a Megan apologist. I'm not crazy about her,
but in this instance, I do think the headline was
really unfair because of the way that this invite system works.
It just doesn't seem fair. And also the way that
she walked out was she was kind of like, it
was quite graceful. I thought she looked really beautiful. It
did feel contrived. However, if you've ever been to a
(04:05):
fashion week, you should see the peacocking. Like the peacocking
that goes on at every single fashion week. She was
like chill compared to half the influences and people that
actually attend these shows other.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Shows exactly, and with the designer's comments like it does. Again,
if you're just looking at the tiktoks people have made
all the headlines, it does look like he was almost
throwing her under the bus, But when you read the
full context, it's more like he was saying, like, I
have a relationship with her, and she came to support me.
Like it's supposed to be kind of like a nice
retelling of the story. But obviously this idea of her
being a drama queen at fashion week is much more interesting.
(04:40):
Can I get that? I mean, that's definitely the story
I would rather read it's her being a drama queen
at fashion Week, But I just don't think the evidence
adds up here.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I totally agree with you, and I kind of feel
bad for him because this is his first season as
the creative director of Balenciaga. But if you read the quotes,
it's very innocent and the way that everybody like twisted
it around. This is one of the times where I
will stand up for her and say I don't think
she deserved this like nasty headline, even though it is
more interesting to read but yeah, that's our little update
(05:08):
on the Blenciaga drama.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
People like to talk about phenomenons almost as if it
was pieces falling into place, as if it just happened.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Again, we have broken every.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Single record you can break with this tour, and the
only thing left is to close the book.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay. So everybody is very excited because Taylor Swift announced
on GMA yesterday that she's going to be releasing a
six part docuseries on Disney Plus about the Aerostore. Now, Laura,
you've done a massive deep dive on this and we're
going to get into some details, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So, out of all the big announcements that Taylor Swift
has teas lately, this is the one that fans were
pretty sure they knew exactly what it was going to be,
and all their hunters turned out to be correct that
it was the errors to a documentary like Thank goodness,
because after sitting through the life of a Showgirl launch
in the cinema, which was exactly what she promised fans,
it was just lyric videos on the screen, but anytime
there was a little hint of her behind the scenes
(06:15):
antiques or planning, I was like, I just want to
watch hours of this. I just can't see her putting
it all together. And that's exactly what we're getting because
we've got the first two episodes and the final eras
to a concert movie being released on December twelve, and
then the next two episodes will come on December nineteen,
and then the last two episodes will drop on December
twenty six if anyone would like to avoid their family
(06:36):
and loved ones on that day and sit down with
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So that is very exciting. Forget watching the yacht race,
you got to sit and watch the tailor.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I mean, I can't say I've ever watched a yacht race.
That's more of an Emily in Paris day for me,
But sure, sitting at a Hobart on Boxing Day, I
can't say ever watch that. The rest of us will
be watching Emily in Paris. Will tails documentary lots to
choose from at that time of year. So yeah, we
wanted to go through a few of the little hidden
details that we've picked up from watching the documentary trailer.
The documentary trailer, I should say, is just a few minutes,
(07:05):
but I was pausing quite a lot and pausing trying
to zoom in my very kind of amateur detective skills
r at work. So we see the first shot at
the top of the documentary in Glendale, Arizona, and that's
one of the very first concerts that she did the
start of the Eras tour, so that is when they
started filming footage for this, So they've been filming for
over two years, which again, like you would often see
(07:28):
the camera crew, especially in the later stages of the
Eras tour, like right on stage with her, so everyonnie
they were probably getting content for a documentary, but it
just goes to show that they've had this kind of
mapped out since that very first Eras tour. At the
top of the documentary, you see a super quick flash
of a wall of post it so you have to
pause it and kind of zoom in, and it's where
she's planning out the songs for all the different performances.
(07:51):
So if you go on real close, you can see
that all the posts are songs from her first album,
so you can see how she's mapping out which songs
were going to be in the Eras tour set list,
especially for the first year. So we had from her
first album a place in this world, cold as you
are the outside, tied together with a smile, and then
you can kind of see how she's mapping out and
use like really old school posts to sort of plan
(08:13):
which song she's going to pick out of each album.
So you can see then that she goes down and
has her difference the song she's picked out from Fearless,
the songs she's picked out from Speak Now, the song
she's picked out from Red And I love that even
like the biggest her in the world, the biggest artists
in the world, still has to use post its kind
of visualize what the setlist is going to look like.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
This is going to be so interesting because there's something
about this particular tour that was quite revolutionary in the
way that it was presented to the world and the
way that it just like took over social media, and
the way that everybody knew, particularly as the tour progressed,
everybody knew about like what was coming next, where was
the hat going to be, what color was it going
(08:54):
to be? When she dove under the water, everybody knew
what was coming and it built all of this excitement
for the show. So it's going to be really great
to see how that all came together. Yeah, okay, what
else have you spotted? Because that's good. I like that one.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So there's a few shots of her working out in
a gym, which interesting because she has talked a little
bit about how she got physically prepared for the Errors tour,
and part of that was singing through the whole set
list while running on a treadmill. So three hours straight
of being on a treadmill, which I guess is what
you'd have to do to perform for three hours. So
she said previously that for the fast song she runs
(09:28):
and then for the slower song she slows down to
a walk. This gym that she's filming in for the
eras to a documentary looks to be the gym dog
Pound in New York, and in this shot she's wearing like, oh,
you've worked out there.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I haven't worked out that you know of it? I
know of it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's interesting that she has a gym that she goes
to as well that she doesn't have in that like
New York mansion, or like her Rhode Island mansion or
her La Manchion or any of her many many mansions
that she prefers going to a gym than a home gym.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I kind of get that though, because sometimes I like
the community of being in like a gym space rather
than like working out alone because I've got no desire
to do it by myself.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I don't know if she's on the gym floor with
the regal Hunters, I.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Don't know if he looks probably got a private room.
I know she.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Definitely was back in the day, like for her first
few albums, but I don't know for the errors tour.
But you know, it's an interesting little takeaway if that's
where she is.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
She'd do an earlier documentary which was talking about how
she was having some problems in the earlier tours because
she wasn't eating enough and she was like getting really weak,
and it's just kind of when she started talking about
her eating disorder and yeah, and some of the problems
with food that she had and that she just wasn't
able to fuel her body properly to like withstand the
length of a tour.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, exactly. And I think that's why the physical prep
goes into it. That's why anyone who does a stadium
tour for multiple hours over multiple nights, like the fitness
and health that you need for that. It's why I
always thought it was interesting that people would like rubbish
like Lizo for being unfit all that kind of thing,
and it's like you try and dance and sing on
stage for three hours, like the core fitness you would
need is crazy. We also see in some of the
(10:57):
shots where she's walking around like the stadium and Miami
and like doing a walk through behind the scenes, is
that she often has one of her cats with her,
and the cat that was taken on that part of
the tour is Olivia Benson Ah. But later on we
see her holding Benjamin, her other cat, in a hotel room,
so I think maybe she like takes a different cat
with her on each leg.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Do you think they like that. I'm not a cat person.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think these particular cats seem very kind of used
to being like constantly held and cuddled, and they're like
a huge part of her personality. I think it's like
how people take their and like especially in America, Like
you know, you get in a flight in America and
everyone next to you is like got a dog and
a cat and they just come on the plane and
it's just a normal thing. And I think especially for
her because she goes in her private car, to her
(11:39):
private jet, to her hotel suite, to her hotel, So
I think bringing the cat would be a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Olivia Benson's life would be so much better than any
of ours.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, well, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Imagine they've been on more private jets than I won't
even see a private jet exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Those cats live a life of luxury, but also they
have jobs to do as well, like Olivia Benson's a
working cat, as is Benjamin, because their job is to
be held by Taylor Swift to like comfort her as
she walks around the stadium about to play to thousands
of people.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
She had one of those cute bats packs that like the.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think, sorry, I actually had a cat. I can't
remember which documentary was, but I have seen her have
a cat backpack yet. I think now she's escalated to
a carrier and an assistant would carry it, but it's
still there.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
So I wonder if the assistant is just for Olivia Benson.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I think if you're traveling, you would definitely have someone
who's like on the cat, the cat assistant. Yes, that's
definitely someone's job, And to be honest, it doesn't sound
that fun there's also a scene where at fourteen seconds
I believe it is into the documentary trailer, where you
can see her kissing Travis Kelcey and she's wearing one
of her Midnight's outfits from that section of the Era's
tour and everyone was kind of interested in what part
(12:46):
of their relationship because they were together for I think
over a year of her doing the Eras tour and
he went to a lot of different shows, and everyone
was trying to figure out what part of their relationship was.
This kiss Happening was early days of dating, was after
he had been on stage with her, and it's actually
from the final show that he saw of the Era's
tour in Indianapolis, because he's wearing the black Baseball Happened
(13:10):
outfit that he wore to the Indianapolis show, which is
their last one.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Laura, that is excellent, Detective. It's so important. I'm giving
you ten out of ten for that. So they're like
deep in a way. So did you look at that
and then cross reference You are amazing, Laura, Did I
just spillers? We need to take a moment and appreciate
Laura's dedication to the craft and getting the exact date
that this was happening. I mean, do it celebrate too much?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I feel like my mother would be super disappointed that
my journalism degree and my ten years of being a
police reporter have now come down to this. But it's
all in the details whether and Matam, what story you're doing,
Why people love the shot? So that is that is
their like where they were in their relationships. So we're
pretty much on the road to engagement that stage. And
we see a few different moments of Travis Kelsey in
the documentary. We see him rehearsing to be on stage
(13:58):
with her. You know how he came out with her
on stage in the coat and and so you see
them rehearsing the pickup scene. You also see a bit
of his family like and her family together, like celebrating.
So it's a very kind of also showing a lot
of their relationship, which is kind of interesting because a
lot of the criticism of the album The Life of
a Showgirl was that people thought it was going to
(14:19):
be like a real showgirl album, and then it was
more kind of quieter songs about her wanting to get married,
have kids, and how she deals with fame and friendship, breakups.
And I think the thread of that is that she
always said, like, it's not so much an album about
being a showgirl, it's about what was going on in
my life when I was being a showgirl on stage
and making this album, And I think, yeah, exactly. I
(14:39):
think that's what this documentary is. It's all like the
little moments happening behind the scenes. One of the most
important moments happened when we saw what happens at the
end of the tour, Because that's what I've always been
really interested in, is that we know she goes out
and does this whole, huge, three hour show, and that
she's on stage pretty much the whole time, except for
(14:59):
when she goes under the stage and does the quick
change and then pops out again. And we also know
that most of the time she runs straight from the
stage into a car that's waiting. When she was in Sydney,
her car, like the Taylor Swift motorcade, would beat everyone
out of the stadium because she gets straight into the
car and heads I guess, so she misses the traffic
(15:20):
so she can get home, and people would see her
car leaving before most people had even got up out
of their seats to start moving towards the exit, and
I always wondered what she did after that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
She kind of hinted it on the New Heights podcast
that she's really riled up and she has to take
a bath and she has to order room service. Mean,
how some hotels do like the late night snacking room
service menu. At the end of the night, there's only
like three shitty things available and they keep that. Yet
they keep the kitchen open. She can have a full menu.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I mean, sometimes I think about when you know, if
you've got a really big day of work, or if
you're doing a ton of interviews. I know, for me,
if I've had a really big recarp but or something
and you finish that, you've got so much adrenaline that
it's actually really hard to wind down. So if you
can imagine like timesing that by a million and doing
a three hour show, you'd be so like, why oh.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
One hundred percent? And this is what again? Sometimes I
relate to tell Switch on a really weird way because
it's a lot of our job is like these huge
glamor events at night with red carpets or big interviews,
and when I get home usually around like midnight or
one am, like this sensible thing I know, because I
have to start work at like seven am the next day.
The sensible thing I know would be to go straight
to bed. But you're so wired and so awake that
(16:32):
it takes me a couple of hours too, to like
have a relaction shower, take your makeup of do your skincare,
watch an episode of something, listen to some music. Wind down.
So she's the same, And we have some scenes of
her in her hotel room after the show, and she
can see her just like using a makeup wipe, pulling
her fake eyelashes off. She says she does a bunch
(16:54):
of signing at that time. I guess because she's like
really awake and wired.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, I was interested to see that. She said that
she was signing like a thousand CDs or something like
that is wild.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I guess you're never really off the clock. And then
she also talks about taking this relaxing bath, and she
takes the camera cury into her bathroom and they do
like a little pan around and if you freeze on
the bathroom products that she's got stacked up on the
side of her bath, you can see the stuff that
she's using.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So what do I know this is?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Again because she doesn't do She doesn't do like a
lot of spond stuff. But I guess she probably wasn't
gonna be like I'm going to turn the bottles around
or anything.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Like has time for that.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, exactly, I feel like the stage if you're trying
to show behind the scenes, and it's not that juicy.
But if anyone wants to know what Taylor Swift uses
in her personalized bath products, she uses the Doctor Barbara
Sturm anti aging body cream that was cropped up right
at there and looked like a well used bottle. So
I'm coming across some of these brands for the first time.
Beauty girls might know, but I am definitely not a
beauty girl. Tata Harper Skincare rejuvenating cleanser for eighty eight
(17:50):
dollars still not too bad. Again, she's a billionaire, so
that's pretty pricey for a cleanser. Yeah, not if you
Taylor Swift, but you know, if any of the girls
out there want to know what she's using. When I
saw that she had her shampooing conditioner propped up there,
I zoomed in on that like a crazy person because
she has a fringe and I do too, and there's
a lot of work involved in that. I know she
has hair pieces in like every celebrity does. There's a
(18:12):
lot of hair pieces it. And you can see when
she like when she was doing the press rounds for
the Life of a Show Girl, like she went to
dinner in New York and she had like a very
kind of thin, just past her shoulders, straight haired look
going on, and the next night doing the late night show,
she had like super super long, ashier, very volume aus hair.
So like, it's excellent hair piece work. But I think
(18:32):
her natural hair is still like for what it goes through,
like still quite good. So I was zooming in on
what she uses. So she uses the Christoph Robin volumizing
Oh Champo and conditioner with rose extract because shampoo's fifty
one dollars, and I was like, do I get that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
It's really not I've even used that brand before. It's
really good. Okay, it's really really good.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I feel like these people should send us some for
giving them a shout out, although Taylor already gave them
a shout out, so they're like, we actually don't need you.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I will say the one thing I was very disappointed
because I am a beauty garlier and I love it.
I hate that she was using a makeup wipe to
remove her makeup.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I did think about that.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I hate it, hate makeup out to here, but you like,
but she needed an oil cleanser, and then she needs
a foam cleanser and she's got to do the double
cleans The makeup wipe is like a sin you. She's
just gotta strip her beautiful skin.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I know. But she's got that level of show makeup,
like no cleanses really going to do she needs.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, this is now we're turning into the beautyfl This
is what I'm saying every day.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
At the end of the day, She's just a gal
in a hotel room being like I'm using him cleansing wipe.
I don't care. And the last thing sitting on her
bathroom little next to her little shower set up was
just an ordinary razor. So I'm guessing she just goes
a little I don't think it's a complete disposal one. Yeah,
kind of like you know those single use so I
hate those. Maybe she just needs to do a like
little leg touch up before she maybe got she forgot
(19:55):
an emergency. She did want to say on the Ellen
DeGeneres Show when she was asked if she ever washed
her legs, you know that was a thing. Oh yeah,
that was a thing you say, like, do you wash
your legs in the shower? And she was like, well,
when I shave my legs, I soap them up. Does
that count? So I guess she's still doing the old
the quick one like quick in the bath leg shave.
So at the end of the day, Taylor Swift just
a gal like us. So they're all a little hidden
(20:16):
details scandalous as they are.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I loved this is like my favorite thing. I loved
this segment. This is so great. I feel like I
learned a lot and I'm very impressed.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean I was only from a three minute trailer.
So yes. Looking forward to December when the Heiress Tour
documentary comes out, I've got to say, out of all
the Tailor Swift releases, this is the one I'm most
excited for. Taylor.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Please, can you just invest in double cleanser? Thank you? Bye.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So back in July this year, we had a lot
of reports and then a lot of photos and then
a lot of video of superstar Katie Perry and former
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hanging out, and a lot
of people speculated if they'd been friends for a long time.
They were both newly ish single at the time where
they were having a hot and heavy romance, and we
(21:03):
kind of deduced from the photos they had at least
one very intensive date day.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So yeah, back in July, they were going out for
dinner Montreal. They was spotted, you know, walking together very
public places. They were not trying to hide this, but
it kind of didn't really hit the news cycle until now. Really, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Guess because it felt, at least to the like public
eye that it was kind of just a quick, kind
of one date day and then it fizzled a little bit.
So we had this like documentation because they were out
and about, they weren't trying to hide it. They went
for like a really long walk with her dog. They
went to a bar late at night for a night cab,
and they went to a dinner where there were so
many photos and videos of them, like they weren't hiding
in the restaurant, they were being like quite lovey dovey.
(21:44):
The chef came over to personally greet them. They had
all of these cocktails, they had lobster, they had like
all of the looked like a lovely dinner and then
Justin picked up the tab afterwards and they left together.
So we had that moment, but we didn't have from
the very extensive photos that came out of them in
the park, walking together, heading into the bar, and the
whole dinner at the restaurant, they looked lovely dovey, but
we didn't have any actual kissing action or anything like that.
(22:08):
So it was kind of thought, like, are they just
like really touchy, phelly friends. Is it just like you
have like one day And that's kind of it until
all these new photos of them on her yacht in
Santa Barbara have come out.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, and there is no mistaking that there is a
lot of PDA going on. They're very very snuggly, they're
hugging each other, they're kissing. They look pretty loved up.
How do you feel about this relationship because I feel
like with Justin Trudeau, you know, he's a political figure,
he's the former Prime minister. His ex wife, Sophie Gregua
(22:39):
Trudeau and him divorced after eighteen years together back in
twenty twenty three. Now, I kind of did a little
bit of deep dive on this because I didn't really
know much about their divorce because obviously it was he's
the Canadian Prime Minister. We don't get that much on
him here in our day to day now. Apparently the
relationship deteriorated after eighteen years because of Justin's workload, which
(23:01):
I think makes sense. There were also some reports that
he cheated on her. Neither of them have come out
publicly and said anything negative. She's got like the most
incredible Instagram. She's like a wellness and like life coach. Now.
The reason I bring up the ex wife is because
the other day she posted on her Instagram, Are Real
and the reel was talking about letting go of people
(23:24):
that you love, effectively that phrase of if you love something,
you have to let it go. If it comes back,
then it's meant to be blah blah blah. Now what
she said in this instagram, nothing we love is meant
to be kept forever. People, places, moments, they're all meant
to be lived, not possessed. And a lot of people
are sort of connecting that as like a cryptic way
of referring to her relationship with Justin that she had
(23:47):
to let this love of her life go.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yes, that's super interesting, and I think it actually kind
of leads to this idea of why Justin and Katie
are being allowing themselves to be photographed in certain ways,
because the thing about all the photos of them is
that they are all pat pictures. They haven't posed for
any pictures, they haven't posted any photos, but they have
gone to some very public places, and they're sort of
showing this like very romantic excite of their relationship, which
(24:12):
I think when you're that famous, especially like Katie Perry
famous and she's had her love life like so publicly
dissected for so many years, and she's just broken up
with Orlando Bloom and there was so much speculation around
their relationship. And even Justin Trudeau and Sophie, like when
he was the Canadian Prime minister, he did have like
a lot of worldwide fame because he was young, he
was hot. You know, he would get up and make
(24:33):
these really charismatic speeches that would be shared over social media.
Videos of him and Sophie together would circulate because they
were kind of like it was almost like they were
like the president first lady of like an old school
TV movie or something like that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, it was very JFK. You know, he was handsome,
Well he is handsome, but yeah, he's fifty three, she's fifty.
They were a gorgeous couple, quite popular. I think his
popularity kind of decreased a little bit in the later years,
but yeah, he was very popular, particularly the ladies.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes, so I think when they were both their first
very public relationship after their breakup, I'm assuming in their camps,
like a lot of speculation around how they roll it out.
So after they had that full day in like Canada
having this very romantic moment, we didn't see them again.
I'm sure they were together, but they were letting the
world assume they had fizzled out. And then these photos
on the yacht. It's kind of hard because obviously paparazzi
(25:22):
have taken these photos with like a very very long lens.
Some of them are so blurry, like the ones on
the lower deck. There's ones of Katie and Justin standing
on the top level of the yacht, and they're the
ones have kind of gone viral because the paparazzi have
just been able to get such a clear shot, which
they can always do. When celebrities are on yachts, like
it's a lot harder to police than if they're like
(25:43):
in a private residence or a building. And you can
see justin kind of like cradling Katie. You can see
him like his hands on her lower back and her
like gazing in him adoringly. And I'm sure they would
have known that, especially off the coast in Santa Barbara,
which is a very kind of celeb heavy spot, they
would know that they are a paparazzi around there. But
(26:03):
it seems like they were kind of happy for that
to be like the next reveal of their relationship, because
we do know that celebrities like if they want to
keep their relationship a secret, they can very much. It's
so so rare that a celebrity would be sprung by
the paparazzi in this day and age.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's like we're stilly in California where it's like celeb Central.
It's not like it's some random spot that they know
there are perhaps everywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, exactly. I don't think Katie Perry's at the level
where she did it for the paps or she organized
them to be there or anything like that. If she'd
organized for them to be there, they would have been
a lot more curated. Like the Sudden Foster Hugh Jackman
announcement photos when they're walking in there's that beautiful light
and they're smiling and you can see that they're not
upset by the photographer, and you can tell the photographer's
really close, not using a long lens like those were
(26:49):
set up shots, and that were so different to the
ones that were taking of Sutton Foster later on, where
you can see that they are long lens. I think
it was more and so with Katie and justin that
they knew that that was an area that paparazzi would
be in, but they were happy to have their photo
taken as a way of kind of like almost like
soft launching their relationship.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah. The thing that I got though from Sophie's post
about that I was looking at some of the comments
and they were like, Oh, how could you do this
to yeh blah blah blah. That's not the sense that
I got from the post. I feel like it's been
two years since the relationship ended. From all reports, they're
still co parenting. They've got three kids together seventeen, sixteen,
and eleven. They've never said anything negative about each other.
(27:29):
It's been two years. I think it's okay for them
to move on.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I think just because they're both out of relationships
and they've both got kids, and they're so her profile.
If they were launched in a different way, Katie and Justin, like,
there could be a bit of public kind of animosity
towards them. With Katie, especially because the way that that
breakup happened. A lot of the headlines and fans speculation
were pointing towards the fact that Orlando Bloom had broken
(27:54):
up with her, and it came off the fact that
she'd had a bit of a rough year with her
new album not being received as well as she thought
it would. Her concert ended up selling really well, but
they were like negative reviews for the start, even though
like people who actually went to it said it was great.
There was a whole space debarkle. There was all these
other bits and pieces where she was kind of having
a difficult time in the public eye. And then the
(28:15):
news came that she and Orlando had broken up after
like nearly a decade together and having a daughter, and
all these things, and then he was sort of seen
partying in Italy with their friends, and he had previously
flown to Australia to visit her on the leg of
her tour here. So the idea people were kind of
putting out was that he was like embarrassed by her
or like he had had enough and he broke up
(28:35):
with her, and then he went off on this big
adventure and he kept getting spotted with all these like
memow people thought him seen he were dating for a
while as his whole thing, so it was like she
was seen to lose the breakup, even though I'm sure
that's absolutely not what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Well, it definitely doesn't feel like that now, Like it
feels like Katie is definitely winning now. Although do you
think he's a catch? Is justin Trudeau? Like a catch?
Is he giving? Jfkava.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I think the two of them have come out of
this really well, because all we know about them is
that they go on beautiful long walks, have lobster together,
have like fancy cocktails, and then passionately make out on
yachts when he's like cradling her. So I think they've
come out of this looking really good and people are
like on board with their relationship, and a few people
have said, like, oh, what about the age difference because
(29:17):
she's forty and he's fifty three. I mean I'm less
stressed about it when people are forty and fifty, like
everyone's an adult. Then yeah, I'd be worse it was
like a forty or and twenty year old.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
No, that doesn't bother me. The fifty three and the forty, yeah,
I guess I think that's an issue. He's got the
same vibe as Orlando. Oh you're dark, yeah, you know,
dark and handsome kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Like he'd want to read a book at night instead
of watch a trassy TV show.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's the vibe.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I yet, Yeah, I just I would never lightly outdoors
the dated politician.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I mean he's a retired politician. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But he's got nothing but time to go on tour
with her and hang out with her. And maybe that
also is what she needs because she's on this huge,
like big next phase of her career and maybe she
needs someone who's just going to come along for the riot,
who's already done his like big career move and is
just looking to hang out.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It just reminds me of the Carrie bradshot when Carrie
was dating, Yeah, that politician, and like he got all
embarrassed of her and then she just like reveals that
he patd he said it on him.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, classic, classic, right episode And also that's the one
relationship Sara Jessica Parker said, if and just like that
was going to continue, she would have John Sluttery back
to redo that. I think it would be a hugely
different story if Justin Trudeau was like running to be
a politician at the moment or campaigning. But because he's
done with that, he can kind of date whoever he
wants now. It's gonna affect him.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
He's clearly off lash now and he's allowed to do
what he wants. Yeah, so we did look at the
paparazzi photos. We are a bit trash.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
We won't post them, but yeah, I'm kind of interesting
to see where they make their next public debut because,
as we were saying, they're being very calculated about it,
and I think it's a bit strategic in the way
they're doing it to kind of get the public on
their site, which you have to do when you're that famous, because,
as we know, celebrities, if they don't want to be seen.
There's private entrances, there's areas you can go. We saw
(30:59):
it recently in the Victoria Beckham documentary where she and
her documentary crew are stumbling through little back doors, through kitchens,
through like waiting areas, and she's saying to the camera crew,
I'm so sorry to come this very unelegant way, but
this paparazzi outside, And so she knows how to get
dropped underground. Go through the kitchen, go out through the kitchen,
and you can go to whole as we know, Kylie
(31:20):
jenn are the only reason we know that she's in
every city, Timothy Shalami is is by tracking her private jet.
But she goes to cities for weeks, and she goes
out to dinners, and she goes to events, and you
just never see her.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, there's something about it. A goods lift sees more
celebrity action, yeah than an actual lift.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah exactly. Yeah. Kitchens and Paris and New York and
all those backdoor entrances and underground parking, but they're the
real hotspots in eure celebrities so interested to see what
these two crazy kids do next.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Definitely here for this relationship. I like it. Thank you
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So you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm Kissania Lee Kisch and coming up on
the show today, Taylor Swift has released the first trail
of for her new docu series, and we have homed
(00:36):
through it to find a bunch of hidden details about
her life after the show, her relationship Travis Kelsey, So
many little details we're going to get into. Plus we're
going to talk about those Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau
photos and how it's a bit of a strategic move
from Katy Perry.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So we're going to get into that, but first, but first.
The new creative director of Balenciaga has revealed how Megan
Markle was invited to his show in Paris earlier this month. Now,
Pierre Parlo Piccioli, I had to practice saying that a
couple of times. Great name, by the way, he said
that Megan Michael actually reached out to him and asked
(01:17):
to come to the show. Now, a number of reports
were saying that she just invited herself. And I think
that's a little bit unfair, to be honest, because when
I actually click into the article and see what he said,
you know, she just rocked up to the door and
started knocking and saying can I come in? So apparently
the two have been texting for a while, and apparently
(01:38):
she messaged him and said she'd love to come to
the show. There was no strategy or big orchestration. I
didn't tell anyone she was coming because I wanted to
stay a surprise. So obviously their mates and he said, oh, yes,
of course, come along. The reason that I buy this
and that I don't think it's her sort of trying
to get her way into the fashion set is because
(02:00):
the way the fashion pr works is that they invite
different people every season. Obviously, you've got your staples, you've
got like your Anna Wintours, but then each year they'll
invite different influences or celebrities or whatever. But Megan Michael's
not really a part of that fashion week circuit. So
I feel like it's not crazy to think that they
wouldn't just assume to invite her, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, absolutely, And if you just read the headlines, it
does look like she demanded to be included and that
she pushed herself into an environment that she wasn't wanted,
And a lot of that comes off all the reports
around her behavior at fashion Week, which we touched on
briefly the other day and now it'll wrap up of
which celebrities were there, But there was a lot of
negative press around how she walked out her show, that
(02:41):
it looked like she was slowing down and sort of
doing this very kind of model s walk for photographers,
which is what a lot of people do at fashion week,
because the whole point of a designer giving you an
outfit to her and you're going to a show is
for you to show your support and show off the outfit.
If you're someone like Megan Markle, if you're another celebrity,
could be to get headlines. There's so many different things,
but it's just because any negative headline about Megan Markle
(03:05):
just clicks so well, and so this idea that she
was pushing her way into fashion week has just gone
on every single website because everyone would be getting crazy
clicks from it, and it comes off the back of
like Chrissy Tague and talking about being on her with
Love Megan Netflix show and just saying she's so polarizing
and I can't put my finger on why.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Obviously we know.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Why because it comes off the whole her and Harry
getting married, and even back then g remem when they
first got married, Harry and Meghan, and every article that
was written and every story that was told was like,
she's worn the wrong now polished, she's worn the wrong stockings,
she's going against public, and a lot of them were
done kind of in like an innocent way, but it's
because that's the only thing people click on exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And I'm not a Megan apologist. I'm not crazy about her,
but in this instance, I do think the headline was
really unfair because of the way that this invite system works.
It just doesn't seem fair. And also the way that
she walked out was she was kind of like, it
was quite graceful. I thought she looked really beautiful. It
did feel contrived. However, if you've ever been to a
(04:05):
fashion week, you should see the peacocking. Like the peacocking
that goes on at every single fashion week. She was
like chill compared to half the influences and people that
actually attend these shows other.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Shows exactly, and with the designer's comments like it does. Again,
if you're just looking at the tiktoks people have made
all the headlines, it does look like he was almost
throwing her under the bus, But when you read the
full context, it's more like he was saying, like, I
have a relationship with her, and she came to support me.
Like it's supposed to be kind of like a nice
retelling of the story. But obviously this idea of her
being a drama queen at fashion week is much more interesting.
(04:40):
Can I get that? I mean, that's definitely the story
I would rather read it's her being a drama queen
at fashion Week, But I just don't think the evidence
adds up here.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I totally agree with you, and I kind of feel
bad for him because this is his first season as
the creative director of Balenciaga. But if you read the quotes,
it's very innocent and the way that everybody like twisted
it around. This is one of the times where I
will stand up for her and say I don't think
she deserved this like nasty headline, even though it is
more interesting to read but yeah, that's our little update
(05:08):
on the Blenciaga drama.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
People like to talk about phenomenons almost as if it
was pieces falling into place, as if it just happened.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Again, we have broken every.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Single record you can break with this tour, and the
only thing left is to close the book.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay. So everybody is very excited because Taylor Swift announced
on GMA yesterday that she's going to be releasing a
six part docuseries on Disney Plus about the Aerostore. Now, Laura,
you've done a massive deep dive on this and we're
going to get into some details, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So, out of all the big announcements that Taylor Swift
has teas lately, this is the one that fans were
pretty sure they knew exactly what it was going to be,
and all their hunters turned out to be correct that
it was the errors to a documentary like Thank goodness,
because after sitting through the life of a Showgirl launch
in the cinema, which was exactly what she promised fans,
it was just lyric videos on the screen, but anytime
there was a little hint of her behind the scenes
(06:15):
antiques or planning, I was like, I just want to
watch hours of this. I just can't see her putting
it all together. And that's exactly what we're getting because
we've got the first two episodes and the final eras
to a concert movie being released on December twelve, and
then the next two episodes will come on December nineteen,
and then the last two episodes will drop on December
twenty six if anyone would like to avoid their family
(06:36):
and loved ones on that day and sit down with
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So that is very exciting. Forget watching the yacht race,
you got to sit and watch the tailor.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I mean, I can't say I've ever watched a yacht race.
That's more of an Emily in Paris day for me,
But sure, sitting at a Hobart on Boxing Day, I
can't say ever watch that. The rest of us will
be watching Emily in Paris. Will tails documentary lots to
choose from at that time of year. So yeah, we
wanted to go through a few of the little hidden
details that we've picked up from watching the documentary trailer.
The documentary trailer, I should say, is just a few minutes,
(07:05):
but I was pausing quite a lot and pausing trying
to zoom in my very kind of amateur detective skills
r at work. So we see the first shot at
the top of the documentary in Glendale, Arizona, and that's
one of the very first concerts that she did the
start of the Eras tour, so that is when they
started filming footage for this, So they've been filming for
over two years, which again, like you would often see
(07:28):
the camera crew, especially in the later stages of the
Eras tour, like right on stage with her, so everyonnie
they were probably getting content for a documentary, but it
just goes to show that they've had this kind of
mapped out since that very first Eras tour. At the
top of the documentary, you see a super quick flash
of a wall of post it so you have to
pause it and kind of zoom in, and it's where
she's planning out the songs for all the different performances.
(07:51):
So if you go on real close, you can see
that all the posts are songs from her first album,
so you can see how she's mapping out which songs
were going to be in the Eras tour set list,
especially for the first year. So we had from her
first album a place in this world, cold as you
are the outside, tied together with a smile, and then
you can kind of see how she's mapping out and
use like really old school posts to sort of plan
(08:13):
which song she's going to pick out of each album.
So you can see then that she goes down and
has her difference the song she's picked out from Fearless,
the songs she's picked out from Speak Now, the song
she's picked out from Red And I love that even
like the biggest her in the world, the biggest artists
in the world, still has to use post its kind
of visualize what the setlist is going to look like.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
This is going to be so interesting because there's something
about this particular tour that was quite revolutionary in the
way that it was presented to the world and the
way that it just like took over social media, and
the way that everybody knew, particularly as the tour progressed,
everybody knew about like what was coming next, where was
the hat going to be, what color was it going
(08:54):
to be? When she dove under the water, everybody knew
what was coming and it built all of this excitement
for the show. So it's going to be really great
to see how that all came together. Yeah, okay, what
else have you spotted? Because that's good. I like that one.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So there's a few shots of her working out in
a gym, which interesting because she has talked a little
bit about how she got physically prepared for the Errors tour,
and part of that was singing through the whole set
list while running on a treadmill. So three hours straight
of being on a treadmill, which I guess is what
you'd have to do to perform for three hours. So
she said previously that for the fast song she runs
(09:28):
and then for the slower song she slows down to
a walk. This gym that she's filming in for the
eras to a documentary looks to be the gym dog
Pound in New York, and in this shot she's wearing like, oh,
you've worked out there.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I haven't worked out that you know of it? I
know of it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's interesting that she has a gym that she goes
to as well that she doesn't have in that like
New York mansion, or like her Rhode Island mansion or
her La Manchion or any of her many many mansions
that she prefers going to a gym than a home gym.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I kind of get that though, because sometimes I like
the community of being in like a gym space rather
than like working out alone because I've got no desire
to do it by myself.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I don't know if she's on the gym floor with
the regal Hunters, I.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Don't know if he looks probably got a private room.
I know she.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Definitely was back in the day, like for her first
few albums, but I don't know for the errors tour.
But you know, it's an interesting little takeaway if that's
where she is.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
She'd do an earlier documentary which was talking about how
she was having some problems in the earlier tours because
she wasn't eating enough and she was like getting really weak,
and it's just kind of when she started talking about
her eating disorder and yeah, and some of the problems
with food that she had and that she just wasn't
able to fuel her body properly to like withstand the
length of a tour.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, exactly. And I think that's why the physical prep
goes into it. That's why anyone who does a stadium
tour for multiple hours over multiple nights, like the fitness
and health that you need for that. It's why I
always thought it was interesting that people would like rubbish
like Lizo for being unfit all that kind of thing,
and it's like you try and dance and sing on
stage for three hours, like the core fitness you would
need is crazy. We also see in some of the
(10:57):
shots where she's walking around like the stadium and Miami
and like doing a walk through behind the scenes, is
that she often has one of her cats with her,
and the cat that was taken on that part of
the tour is Olivia Benson Ah. But later on we
see her holding Benjamin, her other cat, in a hotel room,
so I think maybe she like takes a different cat
with her on each leg.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Do you think they like that. I'm not a cat person.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think these particular cats seem very kind of used
to being like constantly held and cuddled, and they're like
a huge part of her personality. I think it's like
how people take their and like especially in America, Like
you know, you get in a flight in America and
everyone next to you is like got a dog and
a cat and they just come on the plane and
it's just a normal thing. And I think especially for
her because she goes in her private car, to her
(11:39):
private jet, to her hotel suite, to her hotel, So
I think bringing the cat would be a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Olivia Benson's life would be so much better than any
of ours.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, well, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Imagine they've been on more private jets than I won't
even see a private jet exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Those cats live a life of luxury, but also they
have jobs to do as well, like Olivia Benson's a
working cat, as is Benjamin, because their job is to
be held by Taylor Swift to like comfort her as
she walks around the stadium about to play to thousands
of people.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
She had one of those cute bats packs that like the.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think, sorry, I actually had a cat. I can't
remember which documentary was, but I have seen her have
a cat backpack yet. I think now she's escalated to
a carrier and an assistant would carry it, but it's
still there.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
So I wonder if the assistant is just for Olivia Benson.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I think if you're traveling, you would definitely have someone
who's like on the cat, the cat assistant. Yes, that's
definitely someone's job, And to be honest, it doesn't sound
that fun there's also a scene where at fourteen seconds
I believe it is into the documentary trailer, where you
can see her kissing Travis Kelcey and she's wearing one
of her Midnight's outfits from that section of the Era's
tour and everyone was kind of interested in what part
(12:46):
of their relationship because they were together for I think
over a year of her doing the Eras tour and
he went to a lot of different shows, and everyone
was trying to figure out what part of their relationship was.
This kiss Happening was early days of dating, was after
he had been on stage with her, and it's actually
from the final show that he saw of the Era's
tour in Indianapolis, because he's wearing the black Baseball Happened
(13:10):
outfit that he wore to the Indianapolis show, which is
their last one.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Laura, that is excellent, Detective. It's so important. I'm giving
you ten out of ten for that. So they're like
deep in a way. So did you look at that
and then cross reference You are amazing, Laura, Did I
just spillers? We need to take a moment and appreciate
Laura's dedication to the craft and getting the exact date
that this was happening. I mean, do it celebrate too much?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I feel like my mother would be super disappointed that
my journalism degree and my ten years of being a
police reporter have now come down to this. But it's
all in the details whether and Matam, what story you're doing,
Why people love the shot? So that is that is
their like where they were in their relationships. So we're
pretty much on the road to engagement that stage. And
we see a few different moments of Travis Kelsey in
the documentary. We see him rehearsing to be on stage
(13:58):
with her. You know how he came out with her
on stage in the coat and and so you see
them rehearsing the pickup scene. You also see a bit
of his family like and her family together, like celebrating.
So it's a very kind of also showing a lot
of their relationship, which is kind of interesting because a
lot of the criticism of the album The Life of
a Showgirl was that people thought it was going to
(14:19):
be like a real showgirl album, and then it was
more kind of quieter songs about her wanting to get married,
have kids, and how she deals with fame and friendship, breakups.
And I think the thread of that is that she
always said, like, it's not so much an album about
being a showgirl, it's about what was going on in
my life when I was being a showgirl on stage
and making this album, And I think, yeah, exactly. I
(14:39):
think that's what this documentary is. It's all like the
little moments happening behind the scenes. One of the most
important moments happened when we saw what happens at the
end of the tour, Because that's what I've always been
really interested in, is that we know she goes out
and does this whole, huge, three hour show, and that
she's on stage pretty much the whole time, except for
(14:59):
when she goes under the stage and does the quick
change and then pops out again. And we also know
that most of the time she runs straight from the
stage into a car that's waiting. When she was in Sydney,
her car, like the Taylor Swift motorcade, would beat everyone
out of the stadium because she gets straight into the
car and heads I guess, so she misses the traffic
(15:20):
so she can get home, and people would see her
car leaving before most people had even got up out
of their seats to start moving towards the exit, and
I always wondered what she did after that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
She kind of hinted it on the New Heights podcast
that she's really riled up and she has to take
a bath and she has to order room service. Mean,
how some hotels do like the late night snacking room
service menu. At the end of the night, there's only
like three shitty things available and they keep that. Yet
they keep the kitchen open. She can have a full menu.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I mean, sometimes I think about when you know, if
you've got a really big day of work, or if
you're doing a ton of interviews. I know, for me,
if I've had a really big recarp but or something
and you finish that, you've got so much adrenaline that
it's actually really hard to wind down. So if you
can imagine like timesing that by a million and doing
a three hour show, you'd be so like, why oh.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
One hundred percent? And this is what again? Sometimes I
relate to tell Switch on a really weird way because
it's a lot of our job is like these huge
glamor events at night with red carpets or big interviews,
and when I get home usually around like midnight or
one am, like this sensible thing I know, because I
have to start work at like seven am the next day.
The sensible thing I know would be to go straight
to bed. But you're so wired and so awake that
(16:32):
it takes me a couple of hours too, to like
have a relaction shower, take your makeup of do your skincare,
watch an episode of something, listen to some music. Wind down.
So she's the same, And we have some scenes of
her in her hotel room after the show, and she
can see her just like using a makeup wipe, pulling
her fake eyelashes off. She says she does a bunch
(16:54):
of signing at that time. I guess because she's like
really awake and wired.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, I was interested to see that. She said that
she was signing like a thousand CDs or something like
that is wild.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I guess you're never really off the clock. And then
she also talks about taking this relaxing bath, and she
takes the camera cury into her bathroom and they do
like a little pan around and if you freeze on
the bathroom products that she's got stacked up on the
side of her bath, you can see the stuff that
she's using.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So what do I know this is?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Again because she doesn't do She doesn't do like a
lot of spond stuff. But I guess she probably wasn't
gonna be like I'm going to turn the bottles around
or anything.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Like has time for that.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, exactly, I feel like the stage if you're trying
to show behind the scenes, and it's not that juicy.
But if anyone wants to know what Taylor Swift uses
in her personalized bath products, she uses the Doctor Barbara
Sturm anti aging body cream that was cropped up right
at there and looked like a well used bottle. So
I'm coming across some of these brands for the first time.
Beauty girls might know, but I am definitely not a
beauty girl. Tata Harper Skincare rejuvenating cleanser for eighty eight
(17:50):
dollars still not too bad. Again, she's a billionaire, so
that's pretty pricey for a cleanser. Yeah, not if you
Taylor Swift, but you know, if any of the girls
out there want to know what she's using. When I
saw that she had her shampooing conditioner propped up there,
I zoomed in on that like a crazy person because
she has a fringe and I do too, and there's
a lot of work involved in that. I know she
has hair pieces in like every celebrity does. There's a
(18:12):
lot of hair pieces it. And you can see when
she like when she was doing the press rounds for
the Life of a Show Girl, like she went to
dinner in New York and she had like a very
kind of thin, just past her shoulders, straight haired look
going on, and the next night doing the late night show,
she had like super super long, ashier, very volume aus hair.
So like, it's excellent hair piece work. But I think
(18:32):
her natural hair is still like for what it goes through,
like still quite good. So I was zooming in on
what she uses. So she uses the Christoph Robin volumizing
Oh Champo and conditioner with rose extract because shampoo's fifty
one dollars, and I was like, do I get that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
It's really not I've even used that brand before. It's
really good. Okay, it's really really good.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I feel like these people should send us some for
giving them a shout out, although Taylor already gave them
a shout out, so they're like, we actually don't need you.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I will say the one thing I was very disappointed
because I am a beauty garlier and I love it.
I hate that she was using a makeup wipe to
remove her makeup.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I did think about that.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I hate it, hate makeup out to here, but you like,
but she needed an oil cleanser, and then she needs
a foam cleanser and she's got to do the double
cleans The makeup wipe is like a sin you. She's
just gotta strip her beautiful skin.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I know. But she's got that level of show makeup,
like no cleanses really going to do she needs.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, this is now we're turning into the beautyfl This
is what I'm saying every day.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
At the end of the day, She's just a gal
in a hotel room being like I'm using him cleansing wipe.
I don't care. And the last thing sitting on her
bathroom little next to her little shower set up was
just an ordinary razor. So I'm guessing she just goes
a little I don't think it's a complete disposal one. Yeah,
kind of like you know those single use so I
hate those. Maybe she just needs to do a like
little leg touch up before she maybe got she forgot
(19:55):
an emergency. She did want to say on the Ellen
DeGeneres Show when she was asked if she ever washed
her legs, you know that was a thing. Oh yeah,
that was a thing you say, like, do you wash
your legs in the shower? And she was like, well,
when I shave my legs, I soap them up. Does
that count? So I guess she's still doing the old
the quick one like quick in the bath leg shave.
So at the end of the day, Taylor Swift just
a gal like us. So they're all a little hidden
(20:16):
details scandalous as they are.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I loved this is like my favorite thing. I loved
this segment. This is so great. I feel like I
learned a lot and I'm very impressed.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean I was only from a three minute trailer.
So yes. Looking forward to December when the Heiress Tour
documentary comes out, I've got to say, out of all
the Tailor Swift releases, this is the one I'm most
excited for. Taylor.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Please, can you just invest in double cleanser? Thank you? Bye.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So back in July this year, we had a lot
of reports and then a lot of photos and then
a lot of video of superstar Katie Perry and former
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hanging out, and a lot
of people speculated if they'd been friends for a long time.
They were both newly ish single at the time where
they were having a hot and heavy romance, and we
(21:03):
kind of deduced from the photos they had at least
one very intensive date day.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So yeah, back in July, they were going out for
dinner Montreal. They was spotted, you know, walking together very
public places. They were not trying to hide this, but
it kind of didn't really hit the news cycle until now. Really, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Guess because it felt, at least to the like public
eye that it was kind of just a quick, kind
of one date day and then it fizzled a little bit.
So we had this like documentation because they were out
and about, they weren't trying to hide it. They went
for like a really long walk with her dog. They
went to a bar late at night for a night cab,
and they went to a dinner where there were so
many photos and videos of them, like they weren't hiding
in the restaurant, they were being like quite lovey dovey.
(21:44):
The chef came over to personally greet them. They had
all of these cocktails, they had lobster, they had like
all of the looked like a lovely dinner and then
Justin picked up the tab afterwards and they left together.
So we had that moment, but we didn't have from
the very extensive photos that came out of them in
the park, walking together, heading into the bar, and the
whole dinner at the restaurant, they looked lovely dovey, but
we didn't have any actual kissing action or anything like that.
(22:08):
So it was kind of thought, like, are they just
like really touchy, phelly friends. Is it just like you
have like one day And that's kind of it until
all these new photos of them on her yacht in
Santa Barbara have come out.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, and there is no mistaking that there is a
lot of PDA going on. They're very very snuggly, they're
hugging each other, they're kissing. They look pretty loved up.
How do you feel about this relationship because I feel
like with Justin Trudeau, you know, he's a political figure,
he's the former Prime minister. His ex wife, Sophie Gregua
(22:39):
Trudeau and him divorced after eighteen years together back in
twenty twenty three. Now, I kind of did a little
bit of deep dive on this because I didn't really
know much about their divorce because obviously it was he's
the Canadian Prime Minister. We don't get that much on
him here in our day to day now. Apparently the
relationship deteriorated after eighteen years because of Justin's workload, which
(23:01):
I think makes sense. There were also some reports that
he cheated on her. Neither of them have come out
publicly and said anything negative. She's got like the most
incredible Instagram. She's like a wellness and like life coach. Now.
The reason I bring up the ex wife is because
the other day she posted on her Instagram, Are Real
and the reel was talking about letting go of people
(23:24):
that you love, effectively that phrase of if you love something,
you have to let it go. If it comes back,
then it's meant to be blah blah blah. Now what
she said in this instagram, nothing we love is meant
to be kept forever. People, places, moments, they're all meant
to be lived, not possessed. And a lot of people
are sort of connecting that as like a cryptic way
of referring to her relationship with Justin that she had
(23:47):
to let this love of her life go.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yes, that's super interesting, and I think it actually kind
of leads to this idea of why Justin and Katie
are being allowing themselves to be photographed in certain ways,
because the thing about all the photos of them is
that they are all pat pictures. They haven't posed for
any pictures, they haven't posted any photos, but they have
gone to some very public places, and they're sort of
showing this like very romantic excite of their relationship, which
(24:12):
I think when you're that famous, especially like Katie Perry
famous and she's had her love life like so publicly
dissected for so many years, and she's just broken up
with Orlando Bloom and there was so much speculation around
their relationship. And even Justin Trudeau and Sophie, like when
he was the Canadian Prime minister, he did have like
a lot of worldwide fame because he was young, he
was hot. You know, he would get up and make
(24:33):
these really charismatic speeches that would be shared over social media.
Videos of him and Sophie together would circulate because they
were kind of like it was almost like they were
like the president first lady of like an old school
TV movie or something like that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, it was very JFK. You know, he was handsome,
Well he is handsome, but yeah, he's fifty three, she's fifty.
They were a gorgeous couple, quite popular. I think his
popularity kind of decreased a little bit in the later years,
but yeah, he was very popular, particularly the ladies.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes, so I think when they were both their first
very public relationship after their breakup, I'm assuming in their camps,
like a lot of speculation around how they roll it out.
So after they had that full day in like Canada
having this very romantic moment, we didn't see them again.
I'm sure they were together, but they were letting the
world assume they had fizzled out. And then these photos
on the yacht. It's kind of hard because obviously paparazzi
(25:22):
have taken these photos with like a very very long lens.
Some of them are so blurry, like the ones on
the lower deck. There's ones of Katie and Justin standing
on the top level of the yacht, and they're the
ones have kind of gone viral because the paparazzi have
just been able to get such a clear shot, which
they can always do. When celebrities are on yachts, like
it's a lot harder to police than if they're like
(25:43):
in a private residence or a building. And you can
see justin kind of like cradling Katie. You can see
him like his hands on her lower back and her
like gazing in him adoringly. And I'm sure they would
have known that, especially off the coast in Santa Barbara,
which is a very kind of celeb heavy spot, they
would know that they are a paparazzi around there. But
(26:03):
it seems like they were kind of happy for that
to be like the next reveal of their relationship, because
we do know that celebrities like if they want to
keep their relationship a secret, they can very much. It's
so so rare that a celebrity would be sprung by
the paparazzi in this day and age.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's like we're stilly in California where it's like celeb Central.
It's not like it's some random spot that they know
there are perhaps everywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, exactly. I don't think Katie Perry's at the level
where she did it for the paps or she organized
them to be there or anything like that. If she'd
organized for them to be there, they would have been
a lot more curated. Like the Sudden Foster Hugh Jackman
announcement photos when they're walking in there's that beautiful light
and they're smiling and you can see that they're not
upset by the photographer, and you can tell the photographer's
really close, not using a long lens like those were
(26:49):
set up shots, and that were so different to the
ones that were taking of Sutton Foster later on, where
you can see that they are long lens. I think
it was more and so with Katie and justin that
they knew that that was an area that paparazzi would
be in, but they were happy to have their photo
taken as a way of kind of like almost like
soft launching their relationship.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah. The thing that I got though from Sophie's post
about that I was looking at some of the comments
and they were like, Oh, how could you do this
to yeh blah blah blah. That's not the sense that
I got from the post. I feel like it's been
two years since the relationship ended. From all reports, they're
still co parenting. They've got three kids together seventeen, sixteen,
and eleven. They've never said anything negative about each other.
(27:29):
It's been two years. I think it's okay for them
to move on.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I think just because they're both out of relationships
and they've both got kids, and they're so her profile.
If they were launched in a different way, Katie and Justin, like,
there could be a bit of public kind of animosity
towards them. With Katie, especially because the way that that
breakup happened. A lot of the headlines and fans speculation
were pointing towards the fact that Orlando Bloom had broken
(27:54):
up with her, and it came off the fact that
she'd had a bit of a rough year with her
new album not being received as well as she thought
it would. Her concert ended up selling really well, but
they were like negative reviews for the start, even though
like people who actually went to it said it was great.
There was a whole space debarkle. There was all these
other bits and pieces where she was kind of having
a difficult time in the public eye. And then the
(28:15):
news came that she and Orlando had broken up after
like nearly a decade together and having a daughter, and
all these things, and then he was sort of seen
partying in Italy with their friends, and he had previously
flown to Australia to visit her on the leg of
her tour here. So the idea people were kind of
putting out was that he was like embarrassed by her
or like he had had enough and he broke up
(28:35):
with her, and then he went off on this big
adventure and he kept getting spotted with all these like
memow people thought him seen he were dating for a
while as his whole thing, so it was like she
was seen to lose the breakup, even though I'm sure
that's absolutely not what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Well, it definitely doesn't feel like that now, Like it
feels like Katie is definitely winning now. Although do you
think he's a catch? Is justin Trudeau? Like a catch?
Is he giving? Jfkava.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I think the two of them have come out of
this really well, because all we know about them is
that they go on beautiful long walks, have lobster together,
have like fancy cocktails, and then passionately make out on
yachts when he's like cradling her. So I think they've
come out of this looking really good and people are
like on board with their relationship, and a few people
have said, like, oh, what about the age difference because
(29:17):
she's forty and he's fifty three. I mean I'm less
stressed about it when people are forty and fifty, like
everyone's an adult. Then yeah, I'd be worse it was
like a forty or and twenty year old.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
No, that doesn't bother me. The fifty three and the forty, yeah,
I guess I think that's an issue. He's got the
same vibe as Orlando. Oh you're dark, yeah, you know,
dark and handsome kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Like he'd want to read a book at night instead
of watch a trassy TV show.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's the vibe.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I yet, Yeah, I just I would never lightly outdoors
the dated politician.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I mean he's a retired politician. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But he's got nothing but time to go on tour
with her and hang out with her. And maybe that
also is what she needs because she's on this huge,
like big next phase of her career and maybe she
needs someone who's just going to come along for the riot,
who's already done his like big career move and is
just looking to hang out.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It just reminds me of the Carrie bradshot when Carrie
was dating, Yeah, that politician, and like he got all
embarrassed of her and then she just like reveals that
he patd he said it on him.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, classic, classic, right episode And also that's the one
relationship Sara Jessica Parker said, if and just like that
was going to continue, she would have John Sluttery back
to redo that. I think it would be a hugely
different story if Justin Trudeau was like running to be
a politician at the moment or campaigning. But because he's
done with that, he can kind of date whoever he
wants now. It's gonna affect him.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
He's clearly off lash now and he's allowed to do
what he wants. Yeah, so we did look at the
paparazzi photos. We are a bit trash.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
We won't post them, but yeah, I'm kind of interesting
to see where they make their next public debut because,
as we were saying, they're being very calculated about it,
and I think it's a bit strategic in the way
they're doing it to kind of get the public on
their site, which you have to do when you're that famous, because,
as we know, celebrities, if they don't want to be seen.
There's private entrances, there's areas you can go. We saw
(30:59):
it recently in the Victoria Beckham documentary where she and
her documentary crew are stumbling through little back doors, through kitchens,
through like waiting areas, and she's saying to the camera crew,
I'm so sorry to come this very unelegant way, but
this paparazzi outside, And so she knows how to get
dropped underground. Go through the kitchen, go out through the kitchen,
and you can go to whole as we know, Kylie
(31:20):
jenn are the only reason we know that she's in
every city, Timothy Shalami is is by tracking her private jet.
But she goes to cities for weeks, and she goes
out to dinners, and she goes to events, and you
just never see her.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, there's something about it. A goods lift sees more
celebrity action, yeah than an actual lift.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah exactly. Yeah. Kitchens and Paris and New York and
all those backdoor entrances and underground parking, but they're the
real hotspots in eure celebrities so interested to see what
these two crazy kids do next.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Definitely here for this relationship. I like it. Thank you
so much for listening to the Spill today. If you
love our show, the best thing that you can do
is rate and review it wherever you listen. The Spill
is produced by Many. She is sworn with sound production
by Scott's Stronach. Bye Bye
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