July 2, 2025 • 32 mins
Today on The Spill, we’re breaking down everything that went down at Glastonbury, from Harry Styles’ very public kiss to headliner Olivia Rodrigo’s surprise guests, and the backlash that’s erupted over Lana Del Rey’s set. It was a wild weekend, and we’ve got the full rundown.
Then, we’re diving into the rise of concert tourism. With megastars like Charli XCX and Taylor Swift pulling huge crowds and high prices, fans are dropping significant cash (and annual leave) to travel to see them, and the pressure is well and truly on to deliver. But are we now expecting too much from our pop stars?
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodwick and I'm Kissanulo Kitsch.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, the pop girls
are involved in some dramas. We have two big celebrities
that are doing tours and appearances at the moment, and
people are very upset about some of their on stage antics.
We're going to get into that. I might have a
bit of a different opinion. And also Chloe Kardashian has
responded to a really interesting thread that a doctor put
(00:52):
up on TikTok, So we're getting into that because it's
kind of blown of the lid off this whole Kardashian
surgery conspiracy. But again, we have some thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But first, but first, okay, So Glastonbury was this weekend,
one of the biggest festivals in the world, so I
kind of wanted to go into some of our favorite
Glastonbury moments. One of the ones that I really wanted
to talk about first was Lewis Capaldi coming and doing
a surprise set.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
God Apollo I was Gary Chunni Big Soil, which I
thought was really sweet.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now, the reason this is special is because the last
time Lois Copoldi was on the Glastonbury stage was back
in twenty twenty three when he had to abandon his
set after his tourette syndrome caused his vocal cords to
seize up and he couldn't complete his set. So it's
been two years since he's done that, and it was
really sweet. It was a very short set and he
(01:47):
sung sort of his primary songs, but he got a
really really warm welcome from the crowd and people were
really happy to see him there, and it like really
warms my heart because seeing that like vulnerability from an
artist just really humanizes them. And I really love that
Lewis Capoldi was able to kind of overcome because he's
(02:08):
been really open about his turette able to overcome that
and you know, sing again. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think he shed a little tear at the end,
which is very stray.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I love him. Not only is he one of the
most successful artists in the world, like all his tours
and everything sell out instantly, but his voice is incredible.
He's also one of the funniest artists around. Like, sometimes
I'm having a bad day, I was gone to TikTok
and like search Lewis Capaldi interview moments and just watch
the highlights because he just says whatever comes into his mind,
and his comedic timing is so good, like he'sn't even
(02:37):
trying to be funny, he just naturally is a very
funny person.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
There's some clips of him on Graham Norton which are
so good iconic, So that is probably one of my
big highlights. The other one was Olivia Rodrego. Yes, okay,
so she was obviously the headliner. She played on the
last night. She actually did a surprise. She brought out
Robert Smith from The Cure, which is cool, very cool, supreame.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I love that she plays homage to famous artists of
the past, so The Cure and also previously April Vie
of equal standing. I would say like she loves to
kind of pull out those more retro tunes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
She's twenty two and she's got that kind of you know,
Joan Jet like really cool rocker chick vibe, and she
really was leaning into that on the stage.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
She's a very cool I feel she's always you'll say
she's ever sece flustered. She's always really cool and really calm.
Can't relate to that. I met her briefly when she
was in Australia for her tour, and she said to me,
your hair is so gorgeous, and I just like, I
probably shouldn't have. I grabbed her arm and said, oh
my god, Olivia, thank you so much. I will live
off that forever. And I think she was quite freaked out,
but she stayed very calm, only because you know, I'm like,
(03:57):
I hate my hair.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's so amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I don't think it did look good. She was just
obviously she was giving a compliment to every person as
they came up to her, and she was almost like,
what can I say about this person?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Do not downgrade yourself there, Laura. I love your hair
and you look beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But I love how she was just like she was
like a queen doling out compliments to her peasants who
were coming to like bow at her feet, and it
was it was great.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And it's a good moment for you and you're remembering it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
The other thing that we saw was Harry's style. Yeah,
a little bit gossipy this one, but I'm going to mention.
I'm going to mention it anyway because it was so
public and people are like going off about it. Yeah,
so he had a twelve second snog quote unquote with
a mystery woman.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Oh I love it. I love this.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And the video is just like this grady footage of
them in the VIP area. It's two thirty in the morning,
so it's like they're drunk or high or probably a
bit I don't speculating here allegedly.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I hope they're a bit of birth. That's the whole
point of going to Glosterburough.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
They're enjoying themselves two thirty in the morning and they're
like really going at it. Would she don't see a
lot with celebs anymore. I feel like they're a little
bit more aware.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Harry Styles loves a public pash. He's pie pashed a
lot of girlfriends and also like Amili Raikowski. But when
they passed in front of the car for ages and
then walked in the building, came back out and passed
again in front of the car, he loves a public pash.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Okay, so so we do know who she is now.
Her name is Ella Kenny and she is a producer
based in London.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At London, Why is this the start of like a
really cheesy Netflix from Colm Right?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I feel like the producer meets famous pop star and
the tenant Glustonberry and then like it's like the idea
of you, but without the age gap.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, it's literally the idea of you. That is that
is that show. Yeah, It's like it was like when
zach Efroll was dating that girl from Byron.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
From Byron Bay. Yeah, that was great too.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It was like it's like these you know, big celebrities
finding the small town girls.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, sometimes it works out. Matt Damon wandered into a
bar in New York one day and he's married to
that woman and they have many children, so you know,
sometimes it works out. So I'm sure it was just
a party, Pash, but I want this to evolve into
something more for She's gorgeous, oh beautiful, and I hope
she's enjoying this little bout of publicity that's coming with it.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, so those are my Glastonbury highlights. Do you have
any that you really loved?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well? I love the fact that Paul mescal and Gracie
Abams had their public debut, because we've know one. They've
been dating for a while, but they haven't really been
that public. But they were hugging and kissing in the crowd.
She was on stage, she was like looking off to
him and singing to him, which is really cute. And
then she was the Apple Girl. You know how, Charlie
XCX always has like mostly a famous person come and
(06:36):
do the Apple Dance on the big screen at her sets.
So at Glastonbury she had her. I had Gracie come
and do the Apple Dance, which was very cool, and
then things kind of went a little down hill from
there for Charlie XCX, depending on who you are. So
Charlie XCX was playing on the Saturday night at Glastonbury.
From what I saw on TikTok and everything, I mean,
I obviously wasn't there. From what I saw looking in
(06:59):
to the event, it looked like people were loving it.
She looked incredible. She had like the big brad wall
burning behind her. But apparently there were a lot of
complaints about her set from people, to the extent that
when she finished her show, Charlie XIX went to Twitter
and put out a little statement saying, really enjoying these
boomer vibe comments on my Glastonbury performance. It's super fascinating
(07:21):
to me. And then she went on to say, like
the idea that singing with her deliberate auto tune makes
your fraud, or that not having a traditional band suddenly
means you must not be a real artist, it's the
most boring take ever.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Y'rn.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Sorry, just fell asleep. So I think people were kind
of comparing her to other artists who would have like
a big live band and maybe kind of singing a
few kind of solos without the backing music or that
sort of stuff. And she was singing it was very
kind of like in the vibe of her concerts. It
is very poppy, and she did have the auto tune
on to sing with, and it was more of like
the visual of the stage rather than having a band.
(07:56):
So a lot of people were calling her out for
being a fake and saying that this kind of artist
shouldn't have been a Glastonbury and she just thinks that's
a boring take.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Finally enough, though the critic reviews of her performance.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Were very good.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, I'm sure there was one in the Guardian that
gave her five stars. Rolling Stone gave her a great review.
So it's very interesting what people think is a good performance.
I think with something that is classically Glastonbury is more
like rock and roll rather than maybe pop. I think,
obviously now it's probably more poppy. But it's interesting to
(08:32):
me that just because she used purposeful auto tune that
people are calling her out on it, but like, it's
not because she can't sing, She's doing it as a
part of her art.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, it's a very specific sound and look and feel
that she wants for her show. I understand, like almost
like the old guard of Glastonbury that are very used
to being like you have a band and it's just
them and their instruments up on stage and that's it,
like no bells, no whistles, it's not meant to be
a stadium kind of performance, Whereas I think Charlie XCX
like that's the type of show she puts on. And
(09:02):
so I don't think it sounds like it was a
bad performance. It was more, I mean, to be fair,
auto tune. It to me is slightly questionable because the
whole thing that separates a true performer from someone who
just is famous and records a hit song is like,
It's like when Lionel Richard was asked about Paris Hilton
releasing styles are blind and why she didn't blow up
to be this big artist who was touring and selling
(09:22):
out stadiums, and he was like, it's so different to
recording a song in a sound booth to then being
able to go out. And he wasn't saying it in
a mean way, but he's like, then being able to
go out and perform that song night after night and
sell your song on the road. He's like, most people
can't do that. I think that's where the criticism for
Charlie comes a little bit. They're like, if she she
can write all these songs and she can have this
cool aesthetic and dress a certain way, but if she
(09:42):
can't get on stage and do it, she's not a
true artist. But I think I think it's more about
the sound, Like that's the sound she wants, because I
feel like she can get on stage and perform.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I mean, yeah, she created an entire summer last year. Yeah,
like she brat summer was all her. I think she
can perform, and it's like te pain. It's t pain
actually has an incredible voice. If you've ever heard non
auto tuned tea Pain, you will know what I'm saying.
I think it is big difference when auto tuned is
(10:12):
used as part of like the aesthetic of the song,
versus actually tuning someone's voice because they can't sing.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And what's interesting is she said it in her little statement,
it's purposeful auto tune.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
She's doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's not because she can't sing. She's doing it to
make that sound for her song. So I don't think
it's a valid argument.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah exactly. Now I love how she did the whole
thing and then she was like, anyway, this is putting
me to sleep. I don't care anymore. But I feel
like all eyes are on the mistakes are so high.
There's a bit of criticism about any artist who comes out,
especially because everything now is live streamed almost instantaneously on
every social platform, that if they have a bit of
a bump or there's any kind of controversy, it gets
magnified to an extent. And we're seeing that a little
(10:54):
bitt the moment with Lena Delray, who's just started her
UK tour. So Lana Delray hasn't performed or toured for
quite a while. She'd been very busy getting married. But
she opened in Cardiff the other night, her big UK tour,
and there was so much hYP for it because her
fandom is so intense. She's one of the biggest in
the world, and so many artists credit her, like Taylor
(11:14):
Swift and other artists credit her with like shaping the
music industry there all in so she came out at
Cardiff to perform, to open this big tour, and the
feedback and I don't know, I feel like my TikTok
feed has been full of it. But I've been reading
all the fan comments and all the commentary from like
journalists who were there, and they said she came very late,
which she always does. Like last time she was at Glastonbury,
(11:35):
she came out really late because she was getting her
hair done. The thing about Glastonbury is that there's a
really tight curfew, so they cut off all the sound
and lights halfway through her song and she was trying
to get the audience to sing and everyone's like, this
is not what we came to Glastonbury for. But for
her UK tour, she came out really late, and then
a lot of people said that her set list, she
did a few covers, she left out some of her
(11:56):
biggest songs, But the biggest criticism was that instead of
doing a live rendition of two of her biggest hits,
Norman Fucking Rockwell and Arcadia, instead a hologram of Lana
singing them that was pre recorded was being onto stage,
and she just went off stage. So she's there, she's
in the room, but instead of singing it, instead of
singing her iconic songs that you paid there, It's like
(12:19):
she just went off and like took a little break.
And then also later on she was singing some other
songs and she couldn't remember the words, so she was
reading them off an iPhone. I don't know, I kind
of understand when people are yeah, yeah, that would really
bother me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I think the problem is, again you mentioned it very briefly,
but people spent a lot of money on concert tickets,
and they're also spending a lot of money to travel
to these places, so they're forking out hundreds of dollars
and then I have a real problem with lateness.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's one of my biggest pet.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Pass and people that's awkward that we work together now
it's not like half an hour of age.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I don't like that if it says something that you
really have to be on time for. Yeah, yeah, it's
a show. You could have gotten your hair done then
start half an hour earlier.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I know. But I'm also like she's a performer. Like
imagine going to like an old school rock concert and
being like, oh, the band was late and they didn't
do this, and they didn't do that. The lateness I
can kind of get over, not just because I'm a
chronically a late person, but it's like when the artist
gets there, like you expect artistic people and like music
stars and rock stars, you expect them to be very
haphazard and creative. So her coming out late because she's
(13:24):
getting her head, I'm okay with that. Her kind of
being a bit emotional on stage, which she was greatly,
That's the whole point of mine, adel Rate. I think
what people are upset about it is like they don't
expect an artist to kind of wander off stage and
not come back and then put up a hologram. The
bit I saw that I was very invested in. I
watched about fifty six clips of this snow joke was
at one point, she gets very emotional and she just
(13:45):
stops singing and she puts her head down and she
starts crying. And then she walks really slowly off stage
where her Alligator to a boat driver husband, Jeremy DeFraine,
is standing on the sidelines and they start making out.
This is mid concert, and I would have just said,
for me, that would have been worth a ticket admission.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Do you know what it feels to me like she
was very unprepared.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I just think that she hasn't toured for a while.
She's a very emotional person. Some of the songs that
were coming up lot, and I don't know, like she
has done this sort of stuff before. Like I think,
if you're a Lana fan, you should kind of expect it.
But yeah, she walked off stage, but the camera's following her,
so she's still up on the big screen, and then
she just starts making out with her husband, which I've
got to say it was very hot, because I'm still
obsessed for anyone who's on a cross this story. Lana met.
(14:26):
He's the owner, but he also drives the Alligator tour
boats in the swamps of Louisiana, and they met five
years ago when she went on one of the swamp
tours and they apparently hit it off. And then many
years later they've reconnected and he had just broken up
with his fiance of ten years, who was like, any
day now he's gonna propose to me. But that's another story.
And then Jeremy and Lana they got engaged really quickly,
(14:48):
and then they got married in the swamp where he
does his tours. You don't know this.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Oh my god, this is my favorite celebrity story from
the last two years. So yes, in September of last year,
everyone's like Lana Delray and everyone's like it was to me,
this was like the peak of the news cycle for
last year. So she met this driver. This is one
of the most famous beautiful women in the world who
has had many famous like but also she has dated
normies before reconnected with this swamp boat driver.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh my gosh, it's the fairy tail again.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
This. I want this somehow I want this and Harry
Styles kissing the girl on the tent to be one movie.
I don't know how they come together, but maybe it's
like one of those New Year's Eve Mother's Day love
actually where you have all the different celeb marrying normies
love stories in one movie. Okay, great, So she reconnected
with the swamp boat man. She was like, she was very.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You're calling a swamp boat man.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Also, people were so creeped out by him. I think
he's kind of hot, maybe not super up close, but
like he's a swamp boat driver. I think that's hotter
than like a kind of pressy celib man who's getting
more facials than you. So they got married very quickly.
She said she was inspired by Jack Antonov and Margaret
Qualley of like when you know, you know kind of thing.
So they got married in the swamp, surrounded by the
(16:00):
boats that are his, like swamp alligator boats, and they
were all decorated with flowers. And is that not the
most romantic thing you've ever heard? You're looking at his picture?
Okay the verdict. Does Cassenya think swat man is hot?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm sorry, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Oh really, now you have to just don't look at
his face.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, swamp man looks like he spent too much time
in the sun.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, but he's also like the captain of the ship
is not a bit hot. He can like.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Fifty well, yeah, that's okay, but he's not my type.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
No, well, you've got to have the back.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Orlando Blue by just throwing back to yesterday episodally.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Just discovering we have very different times. Every episode, we're
just getting further into this.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Look. As long as she's happy, I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
He's a rugged man with a job. What more do
we want and owns his own business. So anyway, the
alligator man is standing off stage, and when she has overcome,
she walks over. They start making out. Some people are
upset about that and that, I say, give the woman
a break. She needed to go and kiss her alligator husband,
and sometimes you need to take a moment. So there's
been a lot of backlash around that. But I think
what you're saying the ticket prices, not that hers were crazy,
(17:05):
but some people were saying, like, who went to that
concert and then went to Beyonce's Cowboy Carter concert that's
also touring at the moment, And obviously a lot of
the Beyonce tickets are more expensive, but some of them
weren't more expensive than Lana, And they were kind of
comparing what they got from each one and saying that
Cowboy Carter is like so jam packed, it always starts
on time, it's got so visual, it's so amazing, and
(17:27):
you just get your money's worth. And that's what people
said about Taylor Swift's tour as well. And I think
this is what happens with this idea that concerts, particularly
pop concerts, are like the new biggest form of tourism,
and so people are basing like their yearly holiday and
their yearly splurge around going to these concerts. And that's
why you see like all these smaller festivals, particularly in
Australia stopping now or like unable to continue because people
(17:51):
instead of buying festival tickets because of the price of
things and having to travel to these bigger tours, people
are doing like one big thing a year, and it's
usually a Beyonce, a Taylor Alana. So when their holiday
effectively is ruined because the concert is bad, they're more
liable to lash out.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I think, yeah, and it just sounds to me it
sounds like it was. I think people have such high expectations.
Now you're right after seeing Taylor Swift's tour, we know
Beyonce always does an incredible tour. Yeah, people have very
high expectations so when it feels a bit sloppy, and
that to me is what is what it sounds like,
Like the holograph thing sounds like a bit of laziness
(18:28):
to me, like her kind of I'm sure it looked cool,
but she should have sung that live. But being in
it late then kind of like slinking off not knowing
the words. It just feels like it wasn't rehearsed enough,
perhaps not as well organized as something like or professional
or something like a cowboy cartter or Taylor Swift. But
we have people have such high expectations now. I'm sure
(18:49):
if this concert was twenty years ago, people wouldn't have
said a word. But I think particularly with these pop stars,
we've seen what people do on stage, Like Pink kind
of like started doing well. She's like aerial things on
all of her through the crowd and everything, like Taylor
Swift's like that reputation tour. I have never seen so
(19:10):
much hype around a tour in my life is all
about the stage performance.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, exactly. So it feels like it was maybe just
a bit sloppy for her.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I think her fans have kind of divided, but obviously,
like you know, she's such an icon, so people will
still be very invested Her'll be interesting to see how
the rest of her shows go. But look, I think
at the end of the day, I know I didn't
get I didn't lose any money on it. But the
end of the day, her kissing her alligator man on stage,
I was like.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Let's get Laura an alligator man.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I'm not gonna know. I'm only surrounded by these
like influencer pressy men in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Okay, Laura, We're not going to get you an alligator man.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'm gonna get eat your crocodile man.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Babes Okay, great, Me and Robert Irwin can't wait. So
you know, there's a trend on on all social platforms
that mainly on TikTok where doctors who have never treated
famous people get their images up and they go through
and say every cosmetic procedure they think they've had and
explain why they look a certain way, all that sort
of stuff and that, like you know, these videos can
get huge traction and like a lot of use. Recently,
(20:11):
Chloe Kardashian is the latest I guess victim of this
because to celebrate her forty first birthday, which is not
a very nice way to celebrate someone's birthday. A London
based doctor called Johnny Bettenridge put up two photos of
her which were many years apart, and went through her
transformation and talked about all of the cosmetic procedures he
(20:34):
thinks she's had done to really transform her face. So
he put up a photo from over a decade ago
and also a photo from the recent infamous Venice wedding,
the Billionaire Wedding, and said, based on recent photos, I
believe she may have had the following work done. And
he went on to list a lot of things including
a temporal brow lift to elevate the outer brow area
and upper not a doctor guy's blessed blessed plasty. Oh okay, yeah,
(20:58):
just leftroplasty. Okay, I'm glad you know what that is
to smooth the upper eyelids, a rhinoplasty from all sculpted
nose filler to enhance volume and shape, a face and
necklift for overall tightness and phoinian and a chin implant
to lower her face projection. So he went on to
say that she's had a huge amount of work done
and that's why she looks so dramatically different in the
(21:21):
last couple of years. He also said that he can
see she's had a bit of a glam makeover and
she's styling herself differently, but pretty much. He went on
to say, like from a doctor's perspective who works in
this area, she's had a full face transplant, which is
something people have been saying about Chloe katashi in for years.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Okay, So Chloe came back and actually commented on the post,
which I love, and she has commented on this in
the past. So she basically said, look, I've always been
really honest about what I've had done.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
She actually tagged all of the people as well. So
this is what she lists.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Her nose job she had done by doctor Raj Canadia
in Beverly Hills. She had Laiser hair removal on her
hairline and all over her body. She had botox and sculpture.
She didn't say where she got that done. Sculpturer is
an injectable cosmetic treatment that stimulates college and product to
restore facial volume and reduce sprinkles. Soft wave, which is
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a non invasive laser I wouldn't call laser surgery.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, just quietly.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
She had collagen baby threads underneath her chin and neck
from the things we do, So that's just basically where
they put these little threads in there and it like
mimics a face lift. Yees. She said that she also
had filler, but it's been a number of years so
that's probably dissolved out of her face. And then she
also talks about like having a ton of facials, like
slam facials and things like that. But I would never
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consider facials as part of a cosmoicy.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, no, no, But I think it's that's very telling that
it's in there, like that's part of the cover up
to an extent.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, But doctor Betteridge, I've seen a lot of his
clips before. I don't think it was being nasty.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It was nasty.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
He's just that his profession. He's more just commenting from
his profession obviously, like it's never great to comment on
anyone's face. But at the same time, he wasn't like
there's some videos like that I've seen where they rip
them apart. He was just saying, like, in my professional opinion,
this is everything I think she's had done. Well.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's interesting when he was looking at photos of like
the ear and then they to think about like where's
the ear gone? But that ear movement could be explained
by the baby threads.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Again, I'm not a doctor. I don't know how this
stuff works.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But I've heard those little thread things, those collagen things
that could explain why her ear was a bit different. Anyway,
what I think is really nice about this I quite
like that Chloe's been very candid and she's like, this
is what I've done, and.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Here are all the places that I got it. Do
we think she left something out?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh? Absolutely? And that's the kind of interesting thing. Is like,
I'd never be one of those people who demands that
celebrities tell us everything that they've done to her faces
and bodies, because I just assume they've done a whole
bunch of wild, crazy, expensive stuff. And I always think
it's completely unattainable to look the way they look and
then look the way we look. But I know a
lot of other people don't think that, and there is
real push to get celebrities to tell us everything. And
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I wonder if she's sort of seen how favorably people
reacted to her mum, Christiana when she had that big
face and necklace surgery recently, and her doctor came out
and Can affirmed it, and Christian and confirmed it. And
then also recently Kylie Jenner, who's also been accused over
the years of having like basically a full face transplant,
replied to someone on TikTok and gave the exact formula
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for her boob job, like the amount that she had
put in, where she had the implant, put who her
doctor was, all that sort of stuff, and they got
really celebrated. So I wonder I Chloe was kind of
going down that path. But I also think it's almost like,
I think the thing that the Kadashians and a few
celebs leading into now it's almost like deflective honesty. I yeah,
deflective honesty because they know they can't blatantly lie and
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say nothing, so instead of doing that, they kind of
bread crumb a few little less invasive things or well,
so like, oh, I just got like a bit of
a boob job, or I got this like little tweak here,
and then it kind of throws people off the conversation
the bigger conversation of having like almost a full face transformation.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I think that that's a really interesting point. People do
that a lot, where they'll be like, oh, no, it's
just this or I had to have that. It's a
way of like, you give it them a little bit
of information, even if there's more on ye that keep
them a little bit, to keep them satiated. I don't
think celebrities owe us an explanation on what that they've
had done to their bodies and faces. However, I do
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think it's nice to be honest about it, particularly when
it's something that's quite obvious. Yeah, so you know when
people are like, oh, it was just weight loss, or
oh I just drink green smoothies or whatever like that
bothers me because it makes it so that people who
don't realize because yes, you and I know that that
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is unattainable, and they have a lot of money and
they have this access to the best facial stylists all
of that to make them look good. You and I
know that, but there's a lot of people out there
that think that they're not in the right bodies.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Because they don't look like yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So I do think they do have a bit of
a responsibility to tell people that there's a lot that
goes into the way that they look and the way
that Kim Kardashian looks at forty five, it's not necessarily
quote unquote normal.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
That's not how a lot of forty five year old
women look if they age without the help from cosmetic procedures.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah exactly. That's the interesting thing. It's like they want
to give us this little bit because I know, like
the Kardashians especially, they have always said, like, we're open
and honest about what we do, and so they'll kind
of like Pepper in these little truth statements. But even like, yeah,
putting in all the facials and things, it's like a
facial doesn't change the bone structure of your face. And
I know that Chloe also put in her statement because
she had that tumor removed from her cheek and that's
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why she was photographed wearing a bandage for many months,
and I know that that she was talking about having
to get some sort of work done to fix that.
Like obviously it's totally understandable, But at the same time,
the conversation on her face was well before that, so
I think, I mean, I don't know what she's had done.
I'm also the worst also picking when people have cosmetic surgery,
Like I'm always the last person to guess. But I
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do think that it's a lot bigger than a nose
job and some fillers in there. But what I think
is more kind of the select that we should demand
truth from other ones who are selling products to get
us to look like them. If you're just out and
about walking on a red carpet and you've had your
whole face redone and it's so obvious, but you say,
oh my god, no, I've just been drinking a lot
of water. I'm just a yeah, exactly, I'm just drinking
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what do you say, cheer seeds. And you're like, oh, look,
the world is really mucked up, and you just have
to say that, and it's fine, I get it. But
if you're one of those slips who's out there peddling
a beauty brand and you're holding up these expensive bottles
and saying, if you buy this, you'll look like me.
Jennifer Lopez and Kim Kardashian to an extent, both these
women have said they've had nothing done to their faces,
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that they've had no cosmetic procedures, they don't use all
those crazy botox fillers, all that sort of stuff, like
their words, and then they both have these very expensive
like beauty brands and lines and things that they put
their names to, and that's where I think I would
demand a bit more transparency.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think we particularly Jalo that drives me crazy. It's
not olive oil.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I know, it's not all oil. People do age very differently.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
But she's her.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
She's like, she obviously has good genes. I don't doubt that,
but I'm there's no way.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's also like, there's no way that you're under that
much public scrutiny and you have that much money and
you don't do something. To me. That's the bigger thing
than like even her sort of saying like it's a
moral thing. It's just like you have all the means
there to do it, so you're more likely to do it.
But I think the big fish in this conversation is
Kim katash In because out of all her sisters, she
has always been the one that's denied anything. Like I
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do kind of think like the butt implant thing might
have been a lie. I know she had the members,
she had them x ray her, she had her butt
x rayed on her. That was kind of shins and
that was the whole thing, and I was like, I
actually do kind of believe that that's real. Like I've
never thought that she had it implant, that's that seems.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think implants.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I've watched a lot of botched so I really really
plastic surgery. That was sarcasm even in case I didn't
come across audio wives. So I don't think butt implants
are actually a thing. Like it's more like the BBL
So removing the fat. Yeah, putting actual implants in a
bomb is really hard because you sit on your bump,
so it's not very safe to put silicone in.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That sounds dangerous.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
So even bbls aren't very safe to do it. They're
quite dangerous.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Because heinful from what we've heard.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yes, so they suck all that fat out and putting
that fat in there, the fat can move, it can migrate.
They're quite dangerous procedures. I don't think she's got butt implants,
but it is really interesting to me. I think out
of all of her sisters, she's never admitted to anything.
I wonder what it is that is keeping her from
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just being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think because even though she talks about the fact
that like she'll show how much time she spends in
glam and she'll show how much time she gets her
face contoured, and she'll show her hair extensions and her
crazy makeup and all these things. But I think she
really prides herself. She's like, I change my body, like
I will run on a treadmill in that heated suit
for hours on end. I will go It's like a
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point of pride with her. She's like, I will go
for days without food. And everyone's like, oh my god,
no toxic duyet culture, But for her, it's more important
to be like, I did this by myself, and here's
everything I did to my body. She'll put herself into
these wild corsets and waste trainers, and that's like the
mythology of Kim Kardashian, that she changes the shape of
her body in these wild ways, and she loves like
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showing when she gets back from the met gala and
her whole back is bruised from the corsets and stuff.
It's like a very point of pride with her that
she did that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's like she's an athlete.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, that's what she always said. She's like, I'm an athlete,
Like I trained for these events. I push my body
to the brink to look a certain way, and it's
like a point of pride with her. So then if
she starts saying I've had I don't even know, like
that sucked out liposuction, botox fillers, it takes away from
the mythology of her, so I think. And also, she's
got her beauty line, and she always says like, I
use these particular products and they're super expensive, and she's like,
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if you buy these Kim Skin products, you'll look like me.
So if she's one of those celebrities where if she
comes out and says I've had my face fredone, and
her business will falter. So I don't think she's ever
going to say it, but she would be the person
I'd be most interested to have this kind of like
defensive honesty moment of at least kind of like Pepper,
a few little tidbits of look.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I love the honesty. I think we should keep it up.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I think people need to be way more transparent about
what they've done, particularly when their whole face has changed,
particularly as women are aging and like, we don't even
know what a regular fifty year old woman looks like
anymore because of fust surgery, don't get me wrong. I
am going to be doing all the things that I
possibly can.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I say I want to as well. I'm just really
scared of needles. You haven't. Yeah, I want to get botox,
like honestly, just because we're on camera all the time.
So this doesn't mean I understand why celebs do it,
but I'm so scared of having it doesn't my face.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Really, I've had botox.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It doesn't. All right, you might have to come with me,
please do, please do well.
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Speaker 2 (32:27):
Bye bye bye
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodwick and I'm Kissanulo Kitsch.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, the pop girls
are involved in some dramas. We have two big celebrities
that are doing tours and appearances at the moment, and
people are very upset about some of their on stage antics.
We're going to get into that. I might have a
bit of a different opinion. And also Chloe Kardashian has
responded to a really interesting thread that a doctor put
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up on TikTok, So we're getting into that because it's
kind of blown of the lid off this whole Kardashian
surgery conspiracy. But again, we have some thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But first, but first, okay, So Glastonbury was this weekend,
one of the biggest festivals in the world, so I
kind of wanted to go into some of our favorite
Glastonbury moments. One of the ones that I really wanted
to talk about first was Lewis Capaldi coming and doing
a surprise set.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
God Apollo I was Gary Chunni Big Soil, which I
thought was really sweet.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now, the reason this is special is because the last
time Lois Copoldi was on the Glastonbury stage was back
in twenty twenty three when he had to abandon his
set after his tourette syndrome caused his vocal cords to
seize up and he couldn't complete his set. So it's
been two years since he's done that, and it was
really sweet. It was a very short set and he
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sung sort of his primary songs, but he got a
really really warm welcome from the crowd and people were
really happy to see him there, and it like really
warms my heart because seeing that like vulnerability from an
artist just really humanizes them. And I really love that
Lewis Capoldi was able to kind of overcome because he's
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been really open about his turette able to overcome that
and you know, sing again. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think he shed a little tear at the end,
which is very stray.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I love him. Not only is he one of the
most successful artists in the world, like all his tours
and everything sell out instantly, but his voice is incredible.
He's also one of the funniest artists around. Like, sometimes
I'm having a bad day, I was gone to TikTok
and like search Lewis Capaldi interview moments and just watch
the highlights because he just says whatever comes into his mind,
and his comedic timing is so good, like he'sn't even
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trying to be funny, he just naturally is a very
funny person.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
There's some clips of him on Graham Norton which are
so good iconic, So that is probably one of my
big highlights. The other one was Olivia Rodrego. Yes, okay,
so she was obviously the headliner. She played on the
last night. She actually did a surprise. She brought out
Robert Smith from The Cure, which is cool, very cool, supreame.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I love that she plays homage to famous artists of
the past, so The Cure and also previously April Vie
of equal standing. I would say like she loves to
kind of pull out those more retro tunes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
She's twenty two and she's got that kind of you know,
Joan Jet like really cool rocker chick vibe, and she
really was leaning into that on the stage.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
She's a very cool I feel she's always you'll say
she's ever sece flustered. She's always really cool and really calm.
Can't relate to that. I met her briefly when she
was in Australia for her tour, and she said to me,
your hair is so gorgeous, and I just like, I
probably shouldn't have. I grabbed her arm and said, oh
my god, Olivia, thank you so much. I will live
off that forever. And I think she was quite freaked out,
but she stayed very calm, only because you know, I'm like,
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I hate my hair.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's so amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I don't think it did look good. She was just
obviously she was giving a compliment to every person as
they came up to her, and she was almost like,
what can I say about this person?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Do not downgrade yourself there, Laura. I love your hair
and you look beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But I love how she was just like she was
like a queen doling out compliments to her peasants who
were coming to like bow at her feet, and it
was it was great.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And it's a good moment for you and you're remembering it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
The other thing that we saw was Harry's style. Yeah,
a little bit gossipy this one, but I'm going to mention.
I'm going to mention it anyway because it was so
public and people are like going off about it. Yeah,
so he had a twelve second snog quote unquote with
a mystery woman.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Oh I love it. I love this.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And the video is just like this grady footage of
them in the VIP area. It's two thirty in the morning,
so it's like they're drunk or high or probably a
bit I don't speculating here allegedly.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I hope they're a bit of birth. That's the whole
point of going to Glosterburough.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
They're enjoying themselves two thirty in the morning and they're
like really going at it. Would she don't see a
lot with celebs anymore. I feel like they're a little
bit more aware.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Harry Styles loves a public pash. He's pie pashed a
lot of girlfriends and also like Amili Raikowski. But when
they passed in front of the car for ages and
then walked in the building, came back out and passed
again in front of the car, he loves a public pash.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Okay, so so we do know who she is now.
Her name is Ella Kenny and she is a producer
based in London.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At London, Why is this the start of like a
really cheesy Netflix from Colm Right?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I feel like the producer meets famous pop star and
the tenant Glustonberry and then like it's like the idea
of you, but without the age gap.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, it's literally the idea of you. That is that
is that show. Yeah, It's like it was like when
zach Efroll was dating that girl from Byron.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
From Byron Bay. Yeah, that was great too.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It was like it's like these you know, big celebrities
finding the small town girls.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, sometimes it works out. Matt Damon wandered into a
bar in New York one day and he's married to
that woman and they have many children, so you know,
sometimes it works out. So I'm sure it was just
a party, Pash, but I want this to evolve into
something more for She's gorgeous, oh beautiful, and I hope
she's enjoying this little bout of publicity that's coming with it.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, so those are my Glastonbury highlights. Do you have
any that you really loved?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well? I love the fact that Paul mescal and Gracie
Abams had their public debut, because we've know one. They've
been dating for a while, but they haven't really been
that public. But they were hugging and kissing in the crowd.
She was on stage, she was like looking off to
him and singing to him, which is really cute. And
then she was the Apple Girl. You know how, Charlie
XCX always has like mostly a famous person come and
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do the Apple Dance on the big screen at her sets.
So at Glastonbury she had her. I had Gracie come
and do the Apple Dance, which was very cool, and
then things kind of went a little down hill from
there for Charlie XCX, depending on who you are. So
Charlie XCX was playing on the Saturday night at Glastonbury.
From what I saw on TikTok and everything, I mean,
I obviously wasn't there. From what I saw looking in
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to the event, it looked like people were loving it.
She looked incredible. She had like the big brad wall
burning behind her. But apparently there were a lot of
complaints about her set from people, to the extent that
when she finished her show, Charlie XIX went to Twitter
and put out a little statement saying, really enjoying these
boomer vibe comments on my Glastonbury performance. It's super fascinating
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to me. And then she went on to say, like
the idea that singing with her deliberate auto tune makes
your fraud, or that not having a traditional band suddenly
means you must not be a real artist, it's the
most boring take ever.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Y'rn.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Sorry, just fell asleep. So I think people were kind
of comparing her to other artists who would have like
a big live band and maybe kind of singing a
few kind of solos without the backing music or that
sort of stuff. And she was singing it was very
kind of like in the vibe of her concerts. It
is very poppy, and she did have the auto tune
on to sing with, and it was more of like
the visual of the stage rather than having a band.
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So a lot of people were calling her out for
being a fake and saying that this kind of artist
shouldn't have been a Glastonbury and she just thinks that's
a boring take.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Finally enough, though the critic reviews of her performance.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Were very good.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, I'm sure there was one in the Guardian that
gave her five stars. Rolling Stone gave her a great review.
So it's very interesting what people think is a good performance.
I think with something that is classically Glastonbury is more
like rock and roll rather than maybe pop. I think,
obviously now it's probably more poppy. But it's interesting to
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me that just because she used purposeful auto tune that
people are calling her out on it, but like, it's
not because she can't sing, She's doing it as a
part of her art.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, it's a very specific sound and look and feel
that she wants for her show. I understand, like almost
like the old guard of Glastonbury that are very used
to being like you have a band and it's just
them and their instruments up on stage and that's it,
like no bells, no whistles, it's not meant to be
a stadium kind of performance, Whereas I think Charlie XCX
like that's the type of show she puts on. And
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so I don't think it sounds like it was a
bad performance. It was more, I mean, to be fair,
auto tune. It to me is slightly questionable because the
whole thing that separates a true performer from someone who
just is famous and records a hit song is like,
It's like when Lionel Richard was asked about Paris Hilton
releasing styles are blind and why she didn't blow up
to be this big artist who was touring and selling
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out stadiums, and he was like, it's so different to
recording a song in a sound booth to then being
able to go out. And he wasn't saying it in
a mean way, but he's like, then being able to
go out and perform that song night after night and
sell your song on the road. He's like, most people
can't do that. I think that's where the criticism for
Charlie comes a little bit. They're like, if she she
can write all these songs and she can have this
cool aesthetic and dress a certain way, but if she
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can't get on stage and do it, she's not a
true artist. But I think I think it's more about
the sound, Like that's the sound she wants, because I
feel like she can get on stage and perform.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I mean, yeah, she created an entire summer last year. Yeah,
like she brat summer was all her. I think she
can perform, and it's like te pain. It's t pain
actually has an incredible voice. If you've ever heard non
auto tuned tea Pain, you will know what I'm saying.
I think it is big difference when auto tuned is
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used as part of like the aesthetic of the song,
versus actually tuning someone's voice because they can't sing.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And what's interesting is she said it in her little statement,
it's purposeful auto tune.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
She's doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's not because she can't sing. She's doing it to
make that sound for her song. So I don't think
it's a valid argument.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah exactly. Now I love how she did the whole
thing and then she was like, anyway, this is putting
me to sleep. I don't care anymore. But I feel
like all eyes are on the mistakes are so high.
There's a bit of criticism about any artist who comes out,
especially because everything now is live streamed almost instantaneously on
every social platform, that if they have a bit of
a bump or there's any kind of controversy, it gets
magnified to an extent. And we're seeing that a little
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bitt the moment with Lena Delray, who's just started her
UK tour. So Lana Delray hasn't performed or toured for
quite a while. She'd been very busy getting married. But
she opened in Cardiff the other night, her big UK tour,
and there was so much hYP for it because her
fandom is so intense. She's one of the biggest in
the world, and so many artists credit her, like Taylor
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Swift and other artists credit her with like shaping the
music industry there all in so she came out at
Cardiff to perform, to open this big tour, and the
feedback and I don't know, I feel like my TikTok
feed has been full of it. But I've been reading
all the fan comments and all the commentary from like
journalists who were there, and they said she came very late,
which she always does. Like last time she was at Glastonbury,
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she came out really late because she was getting her
hair done. The thing about Glastonbury is that there's a
really tight curfew, so they cut off all the sound
and lights halfway through her song and she was trying
to get the audience to sing and everyone's like, this
is not what we came to Glastonbury for. But for
her UK tour, she came out really late, and then
a lot of people said that her set list, she
did a few covers, she left out some of her
(11:56):
biggest songs, But the biggest criticism was that instead of
doing a live rendition of two of her biggest hits,
Norman Fucking Rockwell and Arcadia, instead a hologram of Lana
singing them that was pre recorded was being onto stage,
and she just went off stage. So she's there, she's
in the room, but instead of singing it, instead of
singing her iconic songs that you paid there, It's like
(12:19):
she just went off and like took a little break.
And then also later on she was singing some other
songs and she couldn't remember the words, so she was
reading them off an iPhone. I don't know, I kind
of understand when people are yeah, yeah, that would really
bother me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I think the problem is, again you mentioned it very briefly,
but people spent a lot of money on concert tickets,
and they're also spending a lot of money to travel
to these places, so they're forking out hundreds of dollars
and then I have a real problem with lateness.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's one of my biggest pet.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Pass and people that's awkward that we work together now
it's not like half an hour of age.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I don't like that if it says something that you
really have to be on time for. Yeah, yeah, it's
a show. You could have gotten your hair done then
start half an hour earlier.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I know. But I'm also like she's a performer. Like
imagine going to like an old school rock concert and
being like, oh, the band was late and they didn't
do this, and they didn't do that. The lateness I
can kind of get over, not just because I'm a
chronically a late person, but it's like when the artist
gets there, like you expect artistic people and like music
stars and rock stars, you expect them to be very
haphazard and creative. So her coming out late because she's
(13:24):
getting her head, I'm okay with that. Her kind of
being a bit emotional on stage, which she was greatly,
That's the whole point of mine, adel Rate. I think
what people are upset about it is like they don't
expect an artist to kind of wander off stage and
not come back and then put up a hologram. The
bit I saw that I was very invested in. I
watched about fifty six clips of this snow joke was
at one point, she gets very emotional and she just
(13:45):
stops singing and she puts her head down and she
starts crying. And then she walks really slowly off stage
where her Alligator to a boat driver husband, Jeremy DeFraine,
is standing on the sidelines and they start making out.
This is mid concert, and I would have just said,
for me, that would have been worth a ticket admission.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Do you know what it feels to me like she
was very unprepared.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I just think that she hasn't toured for a while.
She's a very emotional person. Some of the songs that
were coming up lot, and I don't know, like she
has done this sort of stuff before. Like I think,
if you're a Lana fan, you should kind of expect it.
But yeah, she walked off stage, but the camera's following her,
so she's still up on the big screen, and then
she just starts making out with her husband, which I've
got to say it was very hot, because I'm still
obsessed for anyone who's on a cross this story. Lana met.
(14:26):
He's the owner, but he also drives the Alligator tour
boats in the swamps of Louisiana, and they met five
years ago when she went on one of the swamp
tours and they apparently hit it off. And then many
years later they've reconnected and he had just broken up
with his fiance of ten years, who was like, any
day now he's gonna propose to me. But that's another story.
And then Jeremy and Lana they got engaged really quickly,
(14:48):
and then they got married in the swamp where he
does his tours. You don't know this.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Oh my god, this is my favorite celebrity story from
the last two years. So yes, in September of last year,
everyone's like Lana Delray and everyone's like it was to me,
this was like the peak of the news cycle for
last year. So she met this driver. This is one
of the most famous beautiful women in the world who
has had many famous like but also she has dated
normies before reconnected with this swamp boat driver.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh my gosh, it's the fairy tail again.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
This. I want this somehow I want this and Harry
Styles kissing the girl on the tent to be one movie.
I don't know how they come together, but maybe it's
like one of those New Year's Eve Mother's Day love
actually where you have all the different celeb marrying normies
love stories in one movie. Okay, great, So she reconnected
with the swamp boat man. She was like, she was very.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You're calling a swamp boat man.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Also, people were so creeped out by him. I think
he's kind of hot, maybe not super up close, but
like he's a swamp boat driver. I think that's hotter
than like a kind of pressy celib man who's getting
more facials than you. So they got married very quickly.
She said she was inspired by Jack Antonov and Margaret
Qualley of like when you know, you know kind of thing.
So they got married in the swamp, surrounded by the
(16:00):
boats that are his, like swamp alligator boats, and they
were all decorated with flowers. And is that not the
most romantic thing you've ever heard? You're looking at his picture?
Okay the verdict. Does Cassenya think swat man is hot?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm sorry, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Oh really, now you have to just don't look at
his face.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, swamp man looks like he spent too much time
in the sun.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, but he's also like the captain of the ship
is not a bit hot. He can like.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Fifty well, yeah, that's okay, but he's not my type.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
No, well, you've got to have the back.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Orlando Blue by just throwing back to yesterday episodally.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Just discovering we have very different times. Every episode, we're
just getting further into this.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Look. As long as she's happy, I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
He's a rugged man with a job. What more do
we want and owns his own business. So anyway, the
alligator man is standing off stage, and when she has overcome,
she walks over. They start making out. Some people are
upset about that and that, I say, give the woman
a break. She needed to go and kiss her alligator husband,
and sometimes you need to take a moment. So there's
been a lot of backlash around that. But I think
what you're saying the ticket prices, not that hers were crazy,
(17:05):
but some people were saying, like, who went to that
concert and then went to Beyonce's Cowboy Carter concert that's
also touring at the moment, And obviously a lot of
the Beyonce tickets are more expensive, but some of them
weren't more expensive than Lana, And they were kind of
comparing what they got from each one and saying that
Cowboy Carter is like so jam packed, it always starts
on time, it's got so visual, it's so amazing, and
(17:27):
you just get your money's worth. And that's what people
said about Taylor Swift's tour as well. And I think
this is what happens with this idea that concerts, particularly
pop concerts, are like the new biggest form of tourism,
and so people are basing like their yearly holiday and
their yearly splurge around going to these concerts. And that's
why you see like all these smaller festivals, particularly in
Australia stopping now or like unable to continue because people
(17:51):
instead of buying festival tickets because of the price of
things and having to travel to these bigger tours, people
are doing like one big thing a year, and it's
usually a Beyonce, a Taylor Alana. So when their holiday
effectively is ruined because the concert is bad, they're more
liable to lash out.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I think, yeah, and it just sounds to me it
sounds like it was. I think people have such high expectations.
Now you're right after seeing Taylor Swift's tour, we know
Beyonce always does an incredible tour. Yeah, people have very
high expectations so when it feels a bit sloppy, and
that to me is what is what it sounds like,
Like the holograph thing sounds like a bit of laziness
(18:28):
to me, like her kind of I'm sure it looked cool,
but she should have sung that live. But being in
it late then kind of like slinking off not knowing
the words. It just feels like it wasn't rehearsed enough,
perhaps not as well organized as something like or professional
or something like a cowboy cartter or Taylor Swift. But
we have people have such high expectations now. I'm sure
(18:49):
if this concert was twenty years ago, people wouldn't have
said a word. But I think particularly with these pop stars,
we've seen what people do on stage, Like Pink kind
of like started doing well. She's like aerial things on
all of her through the crowd and everything, like Taylor
Swift's like that reputation tour. I have never seen so
(19:10):
much hype around a tour in my life is all
about the stage performance.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, exactly. So it feels like it was maybe just
a bit sloppy for her.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I think her fans have kind of divided, but obviously,
like you know, she's such an icon, so people will
still be very invested Her'll be interesting to see how
the rest of her shows go. But look, I think
at the end of the day, I know I didn't
get I didn't lose any money on it. But the
end of the day, her kissing her alligator man on stage,
I was like.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Let's get Laura an alligator man.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I'm not gonna know. I'm only surrounded by these
like influencer pressy men in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Okay, Laura, We're not going to get you an alligator man.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'm gonna get eat your crocodile man.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Babes Okay, great, Me and Robert Irwin can't wait. So
you know, there's a trend on on all social platforms
that mainly on TikTok where doctors who have never treated
famous people get their images up and they go through
and say every cosmetic procedure they think they've had and
explain why they look a certain way, all that sort
of stuff and that, like you know, these videos can
get huge traction and like a lot of use. Recently,
(20:11):
Chloe Kardashian is the latest I guess victim of this
because to celebrate her forty first birthday, which is not
a very nice way to celebrate someone's birthday. A London
based doctor called Johnny Bettenridge put up two photos of
her which were many years apart, and went through her
transformation and talked about all of the cosmetic procedures he
(20:34):
thinks she's had done to really transform her face. So
he put up a photo from over a decade ago
and also a photo from the recent infamous Venice wedding,
the Billionaire Wedding, and said, based on recent photos, I
believe she may have had the following work done. And
he went on to list a lot of things including
a temporal brow lift to elevate the outer brow area
and upper not a doctor guy's blessed blessed plasty. Oh okay, yeah,
(20:58):
just leftroplasty. Okay, I'm glad you know what that is
to smooth the upper eyelids, a rhinoplasty from all sculpted
nose filler to enhance volume and shape, a face and
necklift for overall tightness and phoinian and a chin implant
to lower her face projection. So he went on to
say that she's had a huge amount of work done
and that's why she looks so dramatically different in the
(21:21):
last couple of years. He also said that he can
see she's had a bit of a glam makeover and
she's styling herself differently, but pretty much. He went on
to say, like from a doctor's perspective who works in
this area, she's had a full face transplant, which is
something people have been saying about Chloe katashi in for years.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Okay, So Chloe came back and actually commented on the post,
which I love, and she has commented on this in
the past. So she basically said, look, I've always been
really honest about what I've had done.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
She actually tagged all of the people as well. So
this is what she lists.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Her nose job she had done by doctor Raj Canadia
in Beverly Hills. She had Laiser hair removal on her
hairline and all over her body. She had botox and sculpture.
She didn't say where she got that done. Sculpturer is
an injectable cosmetic treatment that stimulates college and product to
restore facial volume and reduce sprinkles. Soft wave, which is
(22:14):
a non invasive laser I wouldn't call laser surgery.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, just quietly.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
She had collagen baby threads underneath her chin and neck
from the things we do, So that's just basically where
they put these little threads in there and it like
mimics a face lift. Yees. She said that she also
had filler, but it's been a number of years so
that's probably dissolved out of her face. And then she
also talks about like having a ton of facials, like
slam facials and things like that. But I would never
(22:39):
consider facials as part of a cosmoicy.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, no, no, But I think it's that's very telling that
it's in there, like that's part of the cover up
to an extent.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, But doctor Betteridge, I've seen a lot of his
clips before. I don't think it was being nasty.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It was nasty.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
He's just that his profession. He's more just commenting from
his profession obviously, like it's never great to comment on
anyone's face. But at the same time, he wasn't like
there's some videos like that I've seen where they rip
them apart. He was just saying, like, in my professional opinion,
this is everything I think she's had done. Well.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's interesting when he was looking at photos of like
the ear and then they to think about like where's
the ear gone? But that ear movement could be explained
by the baby threads.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Again, I'm not a doctor. I don't know how this
stuff works.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But I've heard those little thread things, those collagen things
that could explain why her ear was a bit different. Anyway,
what I think is really nice about this I quite
like that Chloe's been very candid and she's like, this
is what I've done, and.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Here are all the places that I got it. Do
we think she left something out?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh? Absolutely? And that's the kind of interesting thing. Is like,
I'd never be one of those people who demands that
celebrities tell us everything that they've done to her faces
and bodies, because I just assume they've done a whole
bunch of wild, crazy, expensive stuff. And I always think
it's completely unattainable to look the way they look and
then look the way we look. But I know a
lot of other people don't think that, and there is
real push to get celebrities to tell us everything. And
(23:59):
I wonder if she's sort of seen how favorably people
reacted to her mum, Christiana when she had that big
face and necklace surgery recently, and her doctor came out
and Can affirmed it, and Christian and confirmed it. And
then also recently Kylie Jenner, who's also been accused over
the years of having like basically a full face transplant,
replied to someone on TikTok and gave the exact formula
(24:21):
for her boob job, like the amount that she had
put in, where she had the implant, put who her
doctor was, all that sort of stuff, and they got
really celebrated. So I wonder I Chloe was kind of
going down that path. But I also think it's almost like,
I think the thing that the Kadashians and a few
celebs leading into now it's almost like deflective honesty. I yeah,
deflective honesty because they know they can't blatantly lie and
(24:43):
say nothing, so instead of doing that, they kind of
bread crumb a few little less invasive things or well,
so like, oh, I just got like a bit of
a boob job, or I got this like little tweak here,
and then it kind of throws people off the conversation
the bigger conversation of having like almost a full face transformation.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I think that that's a really interesting point. People do
that a lot, where they'll be like, oh, no, it's
just this or I had to have that. It's a
way of like, you give it them a little bit
of information, even if there's more on ye that keep
them a little bit, to keep them satiated. I don't
think celebrities owe us an explanation on what that they've
had done to their bodies and faces. However, I do
(25:22):
think it's nice to be honest about it, particularly when
it's something that's quite obvious. Yeah, so you know when
people are like, oh, it was just weight loss, or
oh I just drink green smoothies or whatever like that
bothers me because it makes it so that people who
don't realize because yes, you and I know that that
(25:43):
is unattainable, and they have a lot of money and
they have this access to the best facial stylists all
of that to make them look good. You and I
know that, but there's a lot of people out there
that think that they're not in the right bodies.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Because they don't look like yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So I do think they do have a bit of
a responsibility to tell people that there's a lot that
goes into the way that they look and the way
that Kim Kardashian looks at forty five, it's not necessarily
quote unquote normal.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
That's not how a lot of forty five year old
women look if they age without the help from cosmetic procedures.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah exactly. That's the interesting thing. It's like they want
to give us this little bit because I know, like
the Kardashians especially, they have always said, like, we're open
and honest about what we do, and so they'll kind
of like Pepper in these little truth statements. But even like, yeah,
putting in all the facials and things, it's like a
facial doesn't change the bone structure of your face. And
I know that Chloe also put in her statement because
she had that tumor removed from her cheek and that's
(26:42):
why she was photographed wearing a bandage for many months,
and I know that that she was talking about having
to get some sort of work done to fix that.
Like obviously it's totally understandable, But at the same time,
the conversation on her face was well before that, so
I think, I mean, I don't know what she's had done.
I'm also the worst also picking when people have cosmetic surgery,
Like I'm always the last person to guess. But I
(27:03):
do think that it's a lot bigger than a nose
job and some fillers in there. But what I think
is more kind of the select that we should demand
truth from other ones who are selling products to get
us to look like them. If you're just out and
about walking on a red carpet and you've had your
whole face redone and it's so obvious, but you say,
oh my god, no, I've just been drinking a lot
of water. I'm just a yeah, exactly, I'm just drinking
(27:26):
what do you say, cheer seeds. And you're like, oh, look,
the world is really mucked up, and you just have
to say that, and it's fine, I get it. But
if you're one of those slips who's out there peddling
a beauty brand and you're holding up these expensive bottles
and saying, if you buy this, you'll look like me.
Jennifer Lopez and Kim Kardashian to an extent, both these
women have said they've had nothing done to their faces,
(27:47):
that they've had no cosmetic procedures, they don't use all
those crazy botox fillers, all that sort of stuff, like
their words, and then they both have these very expensive
like beauty brands and lines and things that they put
their names to, and that's where I think I would
demand a bit more transparency.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think we particularly Jalo that drives me crazy. It's
not olive oil.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I know, it's not all oil. People do age very differently.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
But she's her.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
She's like, she obviously has good genes. I don't doubt that,
but I'm there's no way.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's also like, there's no way that you're under that
much public scrutiny and you have that much money and
you don't do something. To me. That's the bigger thing
than like even her sort of saying like it's a
moral thing. It's just like you have all the means
there to do it, so you're more likely to do it.
But I think the big fish in this conversation is
Kim katash In because out of all her sisters, she
has always been the one that's denied anything. Like I
(28:41):
do kind of think like the butt implant thing might
have been a lie. I know she had the members,
she had them x ray her, she had her butt
x rayed on her. That was kind of shins and
that was the whole thing, and I was like, I
actually do kind of believe that that's real. Like I've
never thought that she had it implant, that's that seems.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think implants.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I've watched a lot of botched so I really really
plastic surgery. That was sarcasm even in case I didn't
come across audio wives. So I don't think butt implants
are actually a thing. Like it's more like the BBL
So removing the fat. Yeah, putting actual implants in a
bomb is really hard because you sit on your bump,
so it's not very safe to put silicone in.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That sounds dangerous.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
So even bbls aren't very safe to do it. They're
quite dangerous.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Because heinful from what we've heard.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yes, so they suck all that fat out and putting
that fat in there, the fat can move, it can migrate.
They're quite dangerous procedures. I don't think she's got butt implants,
but it is really interesting to me. I think out
of all of her sisters, she's never admitted to anything.
I wonder what it is that is keeping her from
(29:46):
just being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think because even though she talks about the fact
that like she'll show how much time she spends in
glam and she'll show how much time she gets her
face contoured, and she'll show her hair extensions and her
crazy makeup and all these things. But I think she
really prides herself. She's like, I change my body, like
I will run on a treadmill in that heated suit
for hours on end. I will go It's like a
(30:09):
point of pride with her. She's like, I will go
for days without food. And everyone's like, oh my god,
no toxic duyet culture, But for her, it's more important
to be like, I did this by myself, and here's
everything I did to my body. She'll put herself into
these wild corsets and waste trainers, and that's like the
mythology of Kim Kardashian, that she changes the shape of
her body in these wild ways, and she loves like
(30:30):
showing when she gets back from the met gala and
her whole back is bruised from the corsets and stuff.
It's like a very point of pride with her that
she did that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's like she's an athlete.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, that's what she always said. She's like, I'm an athlete,
Like I trained for these events. I push my body
to the brink to look a certain way, and it's
like a point of pride with her. So then if
she starts saying I've had I don't even know, like
that sucked out liposuction, botox fillers, it takes away from
the mythology of her, so I think. And also, she's
got her beauty line, and she always says like, I
use these particular products and they're super expensive, and she's like,
(31:02):
if you buy these Kim Skin products, you'll look like me.
So if she's one of those celebrities where if she
comes out and says I've had my face fredone, and
her business will falter. So I don't think she's ever
going to say it, but she would be the person
I'd be most interested to have this kind of like
defensive honesty moment of at least kind of like Pepper,
a few little tidbits of look.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I love the honesty. I think we should keep it up.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I think people need to be way more transparent about
what they've done, particularly when their whole face has changed,
particularly as women are aging and like, we don't even
know what a regular fifty year old woman looks like
anymore because of fust surgery, don't get me wrong. I
am going to be doing all the things that I
possibly can.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I say I want to as well. I'm just really
scared of needles. You haven't. Yeah, I want to get botox,
like honestly, just because we're on camera all the time.
So this doesn't mean I understand why celebs do it,
but I'm so scared of having it doesn't my face.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Really, I've had botox.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It doesn't. All right, you might have to come with me,
please do, please do well.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today,
and don't forget to follow this bill on TikTok and Instagram.
Lots of really fun things on there and little tidbits
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Speaker 2 (32:27):
Bye bye bye
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