August 19, 2025 • 31 mins
The one story Kim Kardashian never wanted told is about to hit cinemas - and it’s six years in the making. With raw footage, mental health struggles, and a crumbling marriage at its centre, this new Kanye West documentary might just be Kim’s worst nightmare come true.
Then, we break down a feud that’s giving Cardi vs Nicki energy but with a whole different audience. Lana Del Rey and rising star Ethel Cain are locked in a messy rivalry, and it’s one that’s only getting bigger.
Plus, we’ve got an update Australian Survivor, and the new host that's replaced Jonathan LaPaglia.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome
to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And I'm Sanye Lukitch, and.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Today we're going to be talking about a new documentary
about Kim Kardashian and Kanye West that is about to
be released without Kim Kardashian's consent. We're going to get
into that. It's very juicy and very upsetting. Actually that's
probably the better.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, that's why I've got my card up pillows.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, hold on tight to that. As we dive into this,
we're also going to be talking about two of the
biggest pop stars in the world having a bit of
a war of words that started with song lyrics and
now has escalated to just full blown Instagram posts about
each other.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know, and I'm going to need like a Laura
history lesson on this because I am straight up confused.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's coming. My whole life has been building up to
the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Straight up confused. But first we've got a little bit
of an update on the Australian Survivor drama. Now, as
we reported a couple of weeks ago, Jonathan Lapalia was
unceremoniously let go from Survivor Australia. He made it very
clear that he was not involved in the decision. It
was a real shock to him and fans were really upset,
(01:29):
including a lot of people in our office here at
Mamma Maya. It really shook people up. He is a
really really beloved presenter and kind of became so synonymous
with Survivor Australia that people were just like in shock.
We've have his replacement. It has been announced that former
(01:50):
Survivor Australia contestant David Gennett is now replacing him as host.
Now I am not a Survivor enthusiast, so I had
to do a little bit of like reading. So he
was on Australian Survivor, which was Champions versus Contenders in
twenty nineteen, didn't win that. Then he went on All
(02:10):
Stars a year later and he actually won that. Fans
of him have called him the Golden God, which I
believe is in response to his.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He's really really hot. Yeah, I think it's really hot.
The clinical term to describe it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know, that was my first reaction when I saw him,
and I was like, those are some very nice arms.
And then earlier this year, he also won a whopping
nine point one seven million dollars on the US series
of Deal or No Deal Island, which is hosted by
Joe Manganello and Chrissy Teagem.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, and look, that is so impressive because to this
day I could not tell you how Deal or No
Deal works. I see it on TV. I see people
opening suitcases, I see people yelling deal and nodeal that
show makes zero sense. So this man's a lot smarter
than I gave him credit for.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And it's also set on an island, and I think
there's more like tactics involved in it because we don't
have that offshoot. I've never seen that particular show. But
he won a ton of money, and that was earlier
this year. The feedback has been generally pretty positive on
his Instagram posts, as you would expect because those are
the people that follow him. But I think a lot
of people are really disappointed. But Joe Manganello actually put
(03:17):
a comment I feel.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Like, poor dear Joe isn't across the whole drama behind
the scenes, or he maybe wouldn't have thrown his hat
into the ring and made it look like he was
picking aside. Because when Jonathan got let go from the show,
which he came out and said he was let go,
there was this huge uproar from like the really die
hard fans that he was the heart and soul of
that show and was so disrespectful to him. And then
also people started speculating that that he had been like
(03:41):
go or pushed out to make way for David as
the kind of more exciting, saucier choice of a host
to kind of shake things up. And I think the
thinking behind that from the network, if that is true,
is that they're hoping that the die hard Survivor fans
will just stay with the show because they love it,
and like, once you're in the Survivor, you're kind of
in it for life, is what I'm picking up from people.
(04:01):
And that David because he's a bit of a controversial
figure who was also very smart, Like we actually had
him on this pod when he was like in the
height of his all stars villain of the show, but
very beloved, and he came on the spill and was saying, yeah,
I did this to mess things up, or I did
this to create drama, or I did this to get
people off side. And you can kind of see that
he's someone who's not just there to play the game,
but also to put on a show.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Is he charming?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes? No? So charming?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So handsome and also very ruggedly tall, which made me
feel very petite. So maybe I'm also on David's side.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I was watching a couple of clips of him, and
I would be so bad on a show like Survivor.
I have zero malicious or like cunning in me. I'm
such an honest person. I feel like I'd be the
biggest failure.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
They would just keep you around for a while because
you have to vote off the most threatening people first,
and then I feel like you'd get to the top
three and then they'd signlight.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I know they'd be like, this girl is weak. We're
getting rid of a no. No.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You want to keep a few weak people around so
they vote on your side, and so you kind of
and then you push them. Yeah, I mean, look, those
people are important for the show as well.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's okay, I'm okay with that. One of my set
of speculations on it is that Jonathan Lapalia was probably
getting far too expensive. And I mentioned this and earlier
on we know the Channel ten is cutting back costs
free too wear is suffering. That would be my speculation.
Some of the other feedback that I've been seeing across
the internet from fans is their concern about him being
(05:28):
a host, is that because he's so used to being
the spotlight, how is he going to take being a
host because our host's role is to guide the game
rather than being the center of attention. And I thought
that was like a really interesting point, And like, as
someone who's interviewed him, do you feel like that might
(05:49):
be an issue?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, yeah, I do think he's someone who's used
to being a bit of a star and causing drama.
But maybe that's what they want for the seasons, Like
maybe they want a host who's going to call out
contestants a bit more and stir them up and give
some kind of spicy takes to camera that's not usually
the role of the survivor host to be like a
big character. There are a character in terms of like
they kind of steer the shit, but that it usually
(06:11):
picks sizes. But maybe that's part of the stirrup. I'm
sure like diehards by the hand fans will have kind
of a different thought on that, but it does feel
like a bit of stunt casting. It's so weird when
like a wild room on the internet comes true. Like
when I saw his posting, I felt not the same
way because this other one was shuttering. But like when
everyone was being like, oh my god, Lea Michelle is
going to replace Beanie Feldstein in Funny Girl and then
(06:33):
it happened, it's like, sometimes the corners of the Internet
are true, and that's a terrifying thought.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, I kind of when it started going deep in
Reddit and it was just like a lot of people
not quite convinced. But I mean, look, we've got to
give him a.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Shot, and I'm sure people will be tuning in to
see how he goes, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That and maybe they will haywatch him just for the
sake of it. But anyway, he's done very well. He's
clearly very very cunning. He's won a ton of money
in the last couple of years. So maybe you know,
Channel ten and offered him like twenty grand or something
to die the thing, and he was like, oh, I.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Don't really need the money in this economy, You've just
got to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So there's a new Kangne West documentary about to be
released called in Whose Name by Nico Balisteros, and it
is kind of a bit of an unfiltered dive into
his life and we see a lot of his breakdown
with Kim Kardashian. And the trailer has been released. It's
about a minute long and there's some pretty crazy revelations
(07:31):
in it. I'm off my maage for five months down.
Your personality is not like this a few years ago.
This is a calling by the universe. Never kill me.
I'm gonna wake up one day and have nothing. We
could talk about that later, but it ain't no.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But the best thing about being an artist in bipolar
anything you do and say it's an art piece.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
When I first saw this headline about this, Stocco was like,
how is this different to Genius, which is the Netflix
three part series that came out a couple of years ago.
But from watching the trailer and reading a little bit
more about it, it seems to be a lot more unfiltered,
a lot more raw, and a lot more about his
bipolar and his mental health. And he's sort of going
(08:16):
on and off his medications.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, what's really interesting is that this is a huge
amount of unfiltered footage from behind the scenes of Kanye's life,
but also because it was during his marriage to Kim Kardashian,
their private life in a way we haven't seen before,
and that's because of who has captured the footage. So
the filmmaker Nico never really set out to, I guess,
make this particular documentary film. He was brought in by
(08:39):
Kanye West as an eighteen year old and was filming
for over six years, just always like on tour in
the background in the house of Kim and Kanye, filming
and collecting footage, thousands of hours of footage which has
now been filtered down into this documentary and it's kind
of giving people, in a way what they've always wanted,
which is a really insider look at Kanye West, the
(09:03):
lead up to his huge rise, this huge publicized marriage
between him and Kim, and then that very very public downfall,
which I guess we did see a lot of because
at that time he was posting so much content and
then Kim Kardashian was posting responses explaining what had happened
on her side and begging people to leave him alone.
Pete Davidson was sharing remember that time, was sharing text
(09:26):
messages between him and Karnee West because he and Kim
were dating at the time. Other people were getting involved
in sharing things, and even though it was very public,
we didn't really see behind the lens in the way
we're going to see with this movie. But the uncomfortable
thing I thought while watching it, I couldn't find anywhere
of Kim Kardashian has officially signed off on it. But
it did, I think, put her in a very vulnerable
(09:47):
place that she has not allowed herself to be when
this part of her life was playing out on the Kardashians.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, and I think the thing with the Kardashians, particularly
in these later seasons, is that it has become very,
very polished. It is one hundred percent their narrative because
they are they producers on the show. Again, we looked
into this, It doesn't look like Kanye is officially affiliated
with the production of it. However, having dealt with the
(10:14):
Kardashians before, I know that anytime you deal with them,
you have to sign non disclosure agreements. So I'm curious
as to why Niko didn't have to or he did
and has been given permission to show this footage. So
that's my only thing of thinking that Kim is aware
of what is going to be released. Is that every
single person that has come into contact with the Kardashian
(10:37):
has to sign a non disclosure agreement. I had to
sign one when I hosted an event with them. They
are on it.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh yeah, they have to control their image in such
a strict way. That's why they don't really do big
sit down interviews outside of the ones that they're producing themselves,
and so much stuff is not filmed for their show,
and it's hard to because, obviously, I think beause Kim
Kardashian wants to control the narrative, but I think also
the fact they've got four kids together. When the whole
kandair where stuff was really blowing up publicly, the only
(11:06):
time we ever saw it referenced on the show is
her apologize to her family for what she had put
them through with Kanne, but never going into specifics, her
like breaking down in tears, but again never going into specifics,
and even saying like I'll never say what truly happened
because I don't want our kids to see that play
out in the media. The only thing I can think
is that Nico probably had a bit of a blanket
(11:28):
okay to be filming because he was meant to be
filming Kanye's creative process and life, and so potentially just
a lot of extra footage was captured because he was
there when the breakdown was happening. And it also seems
like Kanye wants a lot of this content out, whether
he's an official producer or not, because it's footage of
him saying things around, like his side of his bipolar
(11:52):
diagnosis and the content he wants to put out in
the art he wants to put out, and him yelling
at Kim Kardashian when she's having that really vulnerable moment
of you weren't like this a few years ago. Your
personality is completely changed, can't you see that? And him
yelling at her is also a sigh we haven't seen before.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I want to tread very carefully here because I do
think that bipolar diagnosed is obviously a really big part
of his story. But you know, we have heard this
many times before, where people who have mental health problems
and concerns often feel as though medications do damp and
their ability to be creative. It is not the first
(12:27):
time that that has been heard, but it concerns me
because with bipolar, that mania and then depression that is
so up and down and very difficult for family members
to deal with. I haven't personally dealt with it, but
I can just imagine it being an incredibly difficult situation
to be as a family member. It was interesting. I
(12:50):
was looking at the Instagram page for in Whose Name,
and Candace Owens was saying how she really loved the
trailer and she was with Kanye in the White Lives
Matter T shirts during that time, and she said Nico
was filming twenty four to seven like a fly on
the wall and never said anything it's not going to
(13:13):
be narrated. It's almost as if he kind of was
able to blend into the furniture so much that he
was able to get this very unfiltered view.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know, there's some comments of people being like, well,
if Kim Kardashian didn't want that in a documentary or shared,
why was she having that breakdown in front of people.
I think you have to remember, like, when you're Kim
Kardashian and Kanye West, you're rarely alone, like not just
their specific film cameras, but they always have their assistance there,
Their security is there. Kanye himself has a huge entourage
of people that are with him at all times, and
(13:45):
so I think a lot of these big breakdowns and
very personal moments would have happened in a room full
of people just by default of who they are. And
if you have one person in the background who's just
very quietly filming, who's always filming, I feel like it'd
be very easy to forget that they're there. And also
because they're not part of the official production, where Kim
Kardashian has power to step in and say we're not
(14:06):
showing that. In that moment when she's having a huge
breakdown with her husband and she sobbing, she's also just
probably not thinking that that footage is going to end
up because her husband at that point had control over
the footage is going to end up playing in over
one thousand cinemas, which is where this documentary is going,
and I think it'll have a huge audience because one
is that people are very obsessed with Kanye West still,
(14:29):
even though his music has been taken off platforms. He's
been taken off social platforms, record labels have dropped him.
Famous friends won't condone what he says and have walked
away from him, not just because of what he said
about Kim Kardashian, but a lot of the very racially
charged stuff he said, a lot of hate against Jewish people,
a lot of Nazi rhetoric, just stuff that has absolutely
no place being mentioned on any forum. But his fan
(14:51):
base is still so strong. People want to consume his
content no matter what. So I feel like they'll go
and watch this movie that they absolutely will.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And as you said, it's got a theatrical release one
thousand screens September nineteen, twenty twenty five. I don't know
if we have like an Australian no.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I haven't seen one, but I'm sure it'll be like
even if it doesn't go to sea Is here, it'll
be available on streaming somewhere and people will flock.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
To watch it and it'll get picked up. I'm sure
it makes me feel uncomfortable. I have to say the
trailer made me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
It's hard to you because I have to just confess
here that I do really want to watch it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So so do I.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But yeah, the overall tone of it unless Kim Kardashian
comes out, and at the time of recording, I haven't
seen her comment, and I couldn't find anywhere in any
of the trade publications like Deadline who report on this
sort of thing. I couldn't find that she had signed
off and it condoned it or anything like that that
would make me feel a bit better about watching it.
But it is this insider look into this person who
shapes culture in music in such a huge way, and
(15:47):
that in itself is fascinating, but it is also Yeah,
it's this difficult thing of showing this other side of
this famous woman who also doesn't want this part of
her life out there. So it's a mixed bag, like
everything else with Kanye West, I feel Nana, Nana.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So you are fit obsessed with this for a while now,
and I don't know much about it, so I'm going
to get you to give me a history lesson. But
the way that it was the intro to me was
someone commented on the post saying, this is like the
Carti b and Nicki Minaj feud for depressed girlies.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yes that is so true. Okay, So Lana Delray, our
favorite chaotic pop star who we spoke about recently because
she's been doing these big live shows after marrying her
Crocodile Hunters saman who I'm still obsessed with them. I
know he's problematic, that's fine, And she's coming out on stage,
but also then leaving the stage and learning a hologram
(16:38):
sing for her and vaping. But we love her anyway
because we love a chaotic queen. So recently she posted
a little snippet of what appears to be an upcoming
song from her next album, and it's very classic Lana.
She looks like she's sitting in a car, she's listening
to the song and there's some questionable lyrics, but also
the caption itself was very telling. So in the caption
(17:01):
she tagged duck Antonov and said the melody was track
thirteen now to the original Naked Eye. If you have
a life and friends and family in the weeds of
pop culture, you might have thought, oh, she's dissing Taylor
Swift because this came out after very soon to Taylor's
announcement of life as a showgirl, which very infamously doesn't
(17:21):
have her long term collaborator at Jack Anhanoff on it,
whereas Lana also works with Jack and also thirteen is
Taylor's favorite number. So to the initial person scrolling past,
they're like, Oh, she's making a big deal that she's
working with Jack Anhanoff and she's using Taylor's favorite number.
Lana Delray is trying to take down Taylor Swift, which
would have been great and very entertaining for the rest
(17:43):
of us. But that's not what's happening go.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Starting rumors that would have been breaking news.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Everyone's like, is she no, no, no, no, settle out
because if you listen to the lyrics, it's actually about
another pop girlly. I think it's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So for those of you who can't hear lyrics very
well in the Lana del Rays style, which can sometimes
be an issue for me, I had to listen to
it a few times.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Do I unders dance because it's so beautiful, and it's
so beautiful. It is my dream to just rip someone
to shreds via a beautiful song. But you can't tell
that they're cutting you down until you really listen to it. Okay,
So once you go back and you put the pieces together,
it does appear that this song is about fellow musician
Ethel Kine, and I can't say like an actual name
(18:51):
for the song yet, but people have been calling it
like fans who are deep in No. She says Ethel
Caine in the song, so she's referencing Ethel Kine. But
also people are calling the song all about Ethel, which
is a famous play on the movie All About Eve,
which is about a young upstart coming in and taking
over like an established stars life. So Lana Delray has
(19:11):
been famous for many decades now, She's recently turned forty.
She's got a new album coming out. A lot of
girls have grown up listening to her music. Enter Ethel Kain,
who is an incredible musician. She's coming to Australia soon.
I thought all her Sydney shows were sold out, but
there is one left and I'm going to go buy
my ticket before this air, so no one takes it.
Who has been compared to Lana Delray for quite a
(19:33):
long time, and at the beginning of Ethel Kain's career,
I guess because she has that beautiful melody and sadness
with her songs, but also very much to her own artist.
But in the early days of her career, Ethel Kaine
has spoken about Lana Delray. She's done covers of Lana
Delray's songs that she's post online which has since been deleted,
and a lot of musical journalists who write about Ethelkaine
(19:55):
when she first started compared her to like the next
Lana or like the singer who was going to come
up and take Lana's mantle kind of thing, and that
line in there Ethel Kain hated my Instagram post just
by itself could have been read in a few different
ways if you hadn't looked at the rest of the lyrics.
The other one that people have pulled out is I
(20:15):
think it's cute re enacting my Chicago pose. So what
that seems to be in reference to is that Lana
Delray was said to be dating Jack Donahue from the
band Salem, and they posted this photo that was like
quite famous, and then not long after their room and
romance came to an end, Ethel Kain posted a photo
(20:35):
with him as well, in a different location, but it
did look as if she and Jack were trying to
create this famous photo that Lana had posted. And she's
calling her out for.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
That, and then what is their whole Nicki Minaj connection.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh well, Nicki Minaj just came out and said that
she just keeps singing. Ethel Kain hated my Instagram post.
So everyone's like, oh, she's picked aside. I'm like, I
think she's picked a side of just a lyric that's
stuck in her head. But like, this just goes to
show how far this has spread. Okay, when Ethel Kaine
was sort of getting profiled by a lot of mainstream publications,
I believe in the New York Times where they did
(21:12):
this huge profile on her and they called it the
most famous girl at the waffle House, you know, just
because there's a whole backstory around her being famous and
going there and all this sort of stuff. And then
a few years later, Lana Delray went and worked at
the waffle house for one shift, essentially making her the
most famous girl at the waffle house? And was that
a long player to put that lyric in this song
(21:35):
so that it's a direct way of calling out what
people think Ethel Kine is and then her coming in
and saying, no, it's actually me.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I thought she just like worked at a restaurant, And
then that Lana was trying to make make fun of
her for working at a restaurant, which kind of is
a bit main But then she actually went and worked
one day at a waffle house, which we.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Assume is like like an American chain, like that whole
classic Yeah, like called classic Dina, like have some waffles
and a black coffee and a cigarette. Kind of very
Lana Delray is. Yeah. And at the time, when when
Lana went and did that waffle house shift, people did
think it was because she had some songs coming out
(22:12):
around it. She was, so she was like it was
she was going to like release a photo shoot from
there or something. But she also just does stuff like that,
like that's you know what I mean, Like she just
does weird shit.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
She's a method artist.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, so at the time was kind of brushed off.
But hearing her seeing the most famous girl at the
waffle house and knowing that that's the link to this
very famous profile about Ethyl, this could all just be
a little bit of I guess fan speculation or like,
is Lana trying to just sort of allude to something
but it's not really there. Until Lana went and commented
on a pop based Instagram post that was talking about
(22:45):
Lana and Ethyl and this is the moment where she
throws away, like all the shade and all the maybe
it could be this and maybe could be all the
nuance of the situation she throws away because under this
Instagram post, Lana del Rey wrote, I didn't know who
Ethel Caine was until a few years ago when someone
brought to my attention the disturbing and graphics side by
side images she would often put up of meat next
(23:06):
to unflattering creatures and cartoon characters, making constant comments about
my weight. I was confused at what she was getting at.
Then I heard she was saying behind closed doors from
mutual friends and started inserting herself into my personal life,
and I was definitely disturbed. I can't find a lot
of these posts, but I did find one where Ethel
had put a photo of like Peter Griffin from Family Guy,
(23:28):
like in a really unflattering way okayoes, and then put
Lana Delarey limix over it. And apparently there is much
worse stuff like in the chatteries of tumb okay.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So this is like, this seems to just be really
escalating and the comments are while that people are kind
of on the either they're either picking sides or they're
saying things like you're forty years old.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Like also, if it is true, which it does feel
like it is, that this new Ethyl Caine song has
all the information we think it is Lana's first proper
diss song, like she's just ex boyfriends before and like
sung about like her heartbreak, but it is her first distrack,
and people think it's kind of embarrassing that she's doing
that at forty years old.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Nobody says that when there's distracks between two rap artists,
so oh.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
One hundred percent disaway no matter what age you are.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That is so part of like rap culture is these
like back and forth dis tracks. Whoever made that comment,
like Bravo, this is the Kadi b Nicki Minaj feud
for depressed girlies and it's really that. But it's interesting
that people are saying, aren't you too old for this?
But they don't say that about rap artists.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No, And I guess like in a way, like it
can be seen as a bit of a power struggle
in favor of Lana. I don't think your personality changes
when you turn forty, that you can't write music in
a certain way, and like, as much as this is
her first real dis track, it's all very her like.
The imagery that she's used and the way she's done
the lyrics and the lead up to it is like
very Blana Delray It just from what I can tell,
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hasn't been dis pointed at another fellow musician. But then
there's a slight power and balance that. Obviously, Lana is
over twenty years older than ethel Kine and is a
much more famous artist as much as ethel Kaine's got
a huge fan base like Lana is well not is
one of the greatest musicians of all time, has released
so many albums, is selling out stadium tours, so she's
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in a much more powerful position. The other thing is
it's a bit disturbing and upsetting in the current climate,
especially in the US, when trans people are having their
rights stripped away from them and are in fear for
their life because ethel Kine is a trans artist, and
there's also a lot of hatred and danger for her
as much as she has a huge fan base of
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essentially Lana kind of sticking her fans on her and
away is the other uncomfortable about that that.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Is a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And they're doing it. So part of me is like,
just let them have a pop girl fight like other
pop girls have a fight. And the other thing is like, oh,
there's this much more serious thread around a trans artist
being targeted.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And then that kind of loops back in and this
is again purely speculation here from me, loops back in
with you know, her swamp man being a massive Trump supporter.
So there's some kind of very tenuous yeah exactly. Yeah,
So hop potentially people could be feeling a little bit
attacked by which I completely I respect to understand. And
(26:18):
again I am not saying that that's the way that
Lana feels at all. I'm just saying that this is
where people will go.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, it's just an extra importance thread to the conversation.
And I should say, like, Lana's been accused of being
very magarin like a Trump supporter. I haven't seen her
say that. I haven't seen her husband Jeremy officially come
out and say that that's been the thought for a
long time. There is apparently a comment that he said,
I didn't vote for either side because they're both bullshit.
But there is like a gray area there where people
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sort of aren't sure which way they lead in that way.
The other thing is, though, is that Ethel Kaine is
obviously getting involved in a way of not just these
very old schooled tumbler posts, but she also posts on
her Insta like this. Just in Lana Delray blocks Ethel
Kine on Instagram, So not only has she put out
this song, but apparently she's blocked her. And then the
other side of it is that Ethel Kaine is very
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close to her sister, Delilah. It's also Deliah's birthday today.
Happy birthday, Dlilah, who put up this shady comment which
has again escalated the situation.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You gotta love a sister sticking up for her sibling.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Lie, Yeah, your sister support you.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Now, sister is going to support her sister.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, exactly. So I just thought it was so funny
because I was on Ethel Kaine's Instagram today just making
sure there had been no updates before we came into record,
and it She's just post this huge montage of like
her and Delilah and how close they are and for
her birthday and stuff. But previous to this, when this
whole thing was blowing up, Delilah put up a note
saying that track thirteen is a diss track, and then
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she wrote, I can't wait to watch your Hologram perform
this dis track while you hit your vate backstage, Diva,
what inspired you to suddenly make a country album? So
she's calling out the.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Coming in Delilah is like, you will not attack my sister.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
This just in Delilah Kane blocked by that is blocked
by Lana Delray. So that's the thing about the Hologram
we talked about that people are getting angry who are
fans of Lana Delray because they paid all this money
to go to her shows and then for some of it,
she just wanders off stage and then comes back later
on you can see that she's vaping and making it
with her husband, and Hologram sings the.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Song with artists at the moment really like handing it in,
like you know all that stuff about justin Timberlake all
of a sudden, just phoning it in and being like
I got this feeling and then just like hating the
camera to the thing and then just basically like moping
her out. Well he's sick, but yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, but I've heard it like on multiple times.
And now you know, we're doing holograms. We're doing you know,
(28:47):
Ava Barone is singing live and then people in the
theater have to watch her on the screen. There's a
lot of controversies off yes, no age at the moment.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It's also weird, like with Lana, I'm like, just let
her have a hologram like that, crazy gal. I don't
know why. I think she also has been like very
open about the fact that she's not a live performer,
like she should be in a tiny little jazz club
somewhere or like a you know, like a dark room
with twenty p all sitting quietly. She's not really a
stadium performer, but because she has such a big fan base,
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she has to perform in stadiums. But I don't feel
it's her natural sort of spot. So that's kind of
where we're at with the back and forth. Now. I'll
be really interested when the full disk track against ethel
Kine comes out, and also when Ethyl comes to Australia
and tours whether something will be said. But I also
think maybe we're just making this too deep, like maybe
they're just two pop girls. Who word and maybe.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's not that deep that is the whole point, but
we're going to talk about it for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I know, I say, I've literally made this my whole
personality for the entire week. But I just think, maybe
like this is again, this is just kind of sometimes
what famous people do. They have very heightened emotions, They
feel very deeply, They're very intense. One puts out a song,
they bring the waffle house into it, which I'm sure
is having a lovely resurgence of people wanting to go
there and take photos and eat their food, and that's
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nice for them. And I just think maybe as long
as like everyone's okay, and it's the fans that take
it too far.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Okay, But when you go to Ethel Kaine's show, can
you please like take a notebook and make sure that
you write any notes and let us know if she
says anything about through.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Some waffles on stage and be like, here you go,
there's enough for everyone.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Get you will get more.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Get taken out. People will think I'm a lot of fan,
which I am. Yeah, that's my both, I know, that's
the thing. I do love both of them. I'm only
just discovered Ethyl ka I must say in like the
last year or so, but I'm really loving her music.
So I was so unaware of this whole backstory when
it came out in fans of like we've known this
for years. I'm like, oh my god. It's like realizing
you had two different neutual friends at different companies and
(30:44):
then realizing they hate each other. Yeah that's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, Okay in the moment.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So that's where we're at. We'll keep you updated should
the situation escalate.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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Speaker 1 (31:22):
Bye Bye,
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome
to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And I'm Sanye Lukitch, and.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Today we're going to be talking about a new documentary
about Kim Kardashian and Kanye West that is about to
be released without Kim Kardashian's consent. We're going to get
into that. It's very juicy and very upsetting. Actually that's
probably the better.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, that's why I've got my card up pillows.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, hold on tight to that. As we dive into this,
we're also going to be talking about two of the
biggest pop stars in the world having a bit of
a war of words that started with song lyrics and
now has escalated to just full blown Instagram posts about
each other.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know, and I'm going to need like a Laura
history lesson on this because I am straight up confused.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's coming. My whole life has been building up to
the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Straight up confused. But first we've got a little bit
of an update on the Australian Survivor drama. Now, as
we reported a couple of weeks ago, Jonathan Lapalia was
unceremoniously let go from Survivor Australia. He made it very
clear that he was not involved in the decision. It
was a real shock to him and fans were really upset,
(01:29):
including a lot of people in our office here at
Mamma Maya. It really shook people up. He is a
really really beloved presenter and kind of became so synonymous
with Survivor Australia that people were just like in shock.
We've have his replacement. It has been announced that former
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Survivor Australia contestant David Gennett is now replacing him as host.
Now I am not a Survivor enthusiast, so I had
to do a little bit of like reading. So he
was on Australian Survivor, which was Champions versus Contenders in
twenty nineteen, didn't win that. Then he went on All
(02:10):
Stars a year later and he actually won that. Fans
of him have called him the Golden God, which I
believe is in response to his.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He's really really hot. Yeah, I think it's really hot.
The clinical term to describe it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know, that was my first reaction when I saw him,
and I was like, those are some very nice arms.
And then earlier this year, he also won a whopping
nine point one seven million dollars on the US series
of Deal or No Deal Island, which is hosted by
Joe Manganello and Chrissy Teagem.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, and look, that is so impressive because to this
day I could not tell you how Deal or No
Deal works. I see it on TV. I see people
opening suitcases, I see people yelling deal and nodeal that
show makes zero sense. So this man's a lot smarter
than I gave him credit for.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And it's also set on an island, and I think
there's more like tactics involved in it because we don't
have that offshoot. I've never seen that particular show. But
he won a ton of money, and that was earlier
this year. The feedback has been generally pretty positive on
his Instagram posts, as you would expect because those are
the people that follow him. But I think a lot
of people are really disappointed. But Joe Manganello actually put
(03:17):
a comment I feel.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Like, poor dear Joe isn't across the whole drama behind
the scenes, or he maybe wouldn't have thrown his hat
into the ring and made it look like he was
picking aside. Because when Jonathan got let go from the show,
which he came out and said he was let go,
there was this huge uproar from like the really die
hard fans that he was the heart and soul of
that show and was so disrespectful to him. And then
also people started speculating that that he had been like
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go or pushed out to make way for David as
the kind of more exciting, saucier choice of a host
to kind of shake things up. And I think the
thinking behind that from the network, if that is true,
is that they're hoping that the die hard Survivor fans
will just stay with the show because they love it,
and like, once you're in the Survivor, you're kind of
in it for life, is what I'm picking up from people.
(04:01):
And that David because he's a bit of a controversial
figure who was also very smart, Like we actually had
him on this pod when he was like in the
height of his all stars villain of the show, but
very beloved, and he came on the spill and was saying, yeah,
I did this to mess things up, or I did
this to create drama, or I did this to get
people off side. And you can kind of see that
he's someone who's not just there to play the game,
but also to put on a show.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Is he charming?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes? No? So charming?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So handsome and also very ruggedly tall, which made me
feel very petite. So maybe I'm also on David's side.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I was watching a couple of clips of him, and
I would be so bad on a show like Survivor.
I have zero malicious or like cunning in me. I'm
such an honest person. I feel like I'd be the
biggest failure.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
They would just keep you around for a while because
you have to vote off the most threatening people first,
and then I feel like you'd get to the top
three and then they'd signlight.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I know they'd be like, this girl is weak. We're
getting rid of a no. No.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You want to keep a few weak people around so
they vote on your side, and so you kind of
and then you push them. Yeah, I mean, look, those
people are important for the show as well.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's okay, I'm okay with that. One of my set
of speculations on it is that Jonathan Lapalia was probably
getting far too expensive. And I mentioned this and earlier
on we know the Channel ten is cutting back costs
free too wear is suffering. That would be my speculation.
Some of the other feedback that I've been seeing across
the internet from fans is their concern about him being
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a host, is that because he's so used to being
the spotlight, how is he going to take being a
host because our host's role is to guide the game
rather than being the center of attention. And I thought
that was like a really interesting point, And like, as
someone who's interviewed him, do you feel like that might
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be an issue?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, yeah, I do think he's someone who's used
to being a bit of a star and causing drama.
But maybe that's what they want for the seasons, Like
maybe they want a host who's going to call out
contestants a bit more and stir them up and give
some kind of spicy takes to camera that's not usually
the role of the survivor host to be like a
big character. There are a character in terms of like
they kind of steer the shit, but that it usually
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picks sizes. But maybe that's part of the stirrup. I'm
sure like diehards by the hand fans will have kind
of a different thought on that, but it does feel
like a bit of stunt casting. It's so weird when
like a wild room on the internet comes true. Like
when I saw his posting, I felt not the same
way because this other one was shuttering. But like when
everyone was being like, oh my god, Lea Michelle is
going to replace Beanie Feldstein in Funny Girl and then
(06:33):
it happened, it's like, sometimes the corners of the Internet
are true, and that's a terrifying thought.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, I kind of when it started going deep in
Reddit and it was just like a lot of people
not quite convinced. But I mean, look, we've got to
give him a.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Shot, and I'm sure people will be tuning in to
see how he goes, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That and maybe they will haywatch him just for the
sake of it. But anyway, he's done very well. He's
clearly very very cunning. He's won a ton of money
in the last couple of years. So maybe you know,
Channel ten and offered him like twenty grand or something
to die the thing, and he was like, oh, I.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Don't really need the money in this economy, You've just
got to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So there's a new Kangne West documentary about to be
released called in Whose Name by Nico Balisteros, and it
is kind of a bit of an unfiltered dive into
his life and we see a lot of his breakdown
with Kim Kardashian. And the trailer has been released. It's
about a minute long and there's some pretty crazy revelations
(07:31):
in it. I'm off my maage for five months down.
Your personality is not like this a few years ago.
This is a calling by the universe. Never kill me.
I'm gonna wake up one day and have nothing. We
could talk about that later, but it ain't no.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But the best thing about being an artist in bipolar
anything you do and say it's an art piece.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
When I first saw this headline about this, Stocco was like,
how is this different to Genius, which is the Netflix
three part series that came out a couple of years ago.
But from watching the trailer and reading a little bit
more about it, it seems to be a lot more unfiltered,
a lot more raw, and a lot more about his
bipolar and his mental health. And he's sort of going
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on and off his medications.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, what's really interesting is that this is a huge
amount of unfiltered footage from behind the scenes of Kanye's life,
but also because it was during his marriage to Kim Kardashian,
their private life in a way we haven't seen before,
and that's because of who has captured the footage. So
the filmmaker Nico never really set out to, I guess,
make this particular documentary film. He was brought in by
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Kanye West as an eighteen year old and was filming
for over six years, just always like on tour in
the background in the house of Kim and Kanye, filming
and collecting footage, thousands of hours of footage which has
now been filtered down into this documentary and it's kind
of giving people, in a way what they've always wanted,
which is a really insider look at Kanye West, the
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lead up to his huge rise, this huge publicized marriage
between him and Kim, and then that very very public downfall,
which I guess we did see a lot of because
at that time he was posting so much content and
then Kim Kardashian was posting responses explaining what had happened
on her side and begging people to leave him alone.
Pete Davidson was sharing remember that time, was sharing text
(09:26):
messages between him and Karnee West because he and Kim
were dating at the time. Other people were getting involved
in sharing things, and even though it was very public,
we didn't really see behind the lens in the way
we're going to see with this movie. But the uncomfortable
thing I thought while watching it, I couldn't find anywhere
of Kim Kardashian has officially signed off on it. But
it did, I think, put her in a very vulnerable
(09:47):
place that she has not allowed herself to be when
this part of her life was playing out on the Kardashians.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, and I think the thing with the Kardashians, particularly
in these later seasons, is that it has become very,
very polished. It is one hundred percent their narrative because
they are they producers on the show. Again, we looked
into this, It doesn't look like Kanye is officially affiliated
with the production of it. However, having dealt with the
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Kardashians before, I know that anytime you deal with them,
you have to sign non disclosure agreements. So I'm curious
as to why Niko didn't have to or he did
and has been given permission to show this footage. So
that's my only thing of thinking that Kim is aware
of what is going to be released. Is that every
single person that has come into contact with the Kardashian
(10:37):
has to sign a non disclosure agreement. I had to
sign one when I hosted an event with them. They
are on it.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh yeah, they have to control their image in such
a strict way. That's why they don't really do big
sit down interviews outside of the ones that they're producing themselves,
and so much stuff is not filmed for their show,
and it's hard to because, obviously, I think beause Kim
Kardashian wants to control the narrative, but I think also
the fact they've got four kids together. When the whole
kandair where stuff was really blowing up publicly, the only
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time we ever saw it referenced on the show is
her apologize to her family for what she had put
them through with Kanne, but never going into specifics, her
like breaking down in tears, but again never going into specifics,
and even saying like I'll never say what truly happened
because I don't want our kids to see that play
out in the media. The only thing I can think
is that Nico probably had a bit of a blanket
(11:28):
okay to be filming because he was meant to be
filming Kanye's creative process and life, and so potentially just
a lot of extra footage was captured because he was
there when the breakdown was happening. And it also seems
like Kanye wants a lot of this content out, whether
he's an official producer or not, because it's footage of
him saying things around, like his side of his bipolar
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diagnosis and the content he wants to put out in
the art he wants to put out, and him yelling
at Kim Kardashian when she's having that really vulnerable moment
of you weren't like this a few years ago. Your
personality is completely changed, can't you see that? And him
yelling at her is also a sigh we haven't seen before.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I want to tread very carefully here because I do
think that bipolar diagnosed is obviously a really big part
of his story. But you know, we have heard this
many times before, where people who have mental health problems
and concerns often feel as though medications do damp and
their ability to be creative. It is not the first
(12:27):
time that that has been heard, but it concerns me
because with bipolar, that mania and then depression that is
so up and down and very difficult for family members
to deal with. I haven't personally dealt with it, but
I can just imagine it being an incredibly difficult situation
to be as a family member. It was interesting. I
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was looking at the Instagram page for in Whose Name,
and Candace Owens was saying how she really loved the
trailer and she was with Kanye in the White Lives
Matter T shirts during that time, and she said Nico
was filming twenty four to seven like a fly on
the wall and never said anything it's not going to
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be narrated. It's almost as if he kind of was
able to blend into the furniture so much that he
was able to get this very unfiltered view.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know, there's some comments of people being like, well,
if Kim Kardashian didn't want that in a documentary or shared,
why was she having that breakdown in front of people.
I think you have to remember, like, when you're Kim
Kardashian and Kanye West, you're rarely alone, like not just
their specific film cameras, but they always have their assistance there,
Their security is there. Kanye himself has a huge entourage
of people that are with him at all times, and
(13:45):
so I think a lot of these big breakdowns and
very personal moments would have happened in a room full
of people just by default of who they are. And
if you have one person in the background who's just
very quietly filming, who's always filming, I feel like it'd
be very easy to forget that they're there. And also
because they're not part of the official production, where Kim
Kardashian has power to step in and say we're not
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showing that. In that moment when she's having a huge
breakdown with her husband and she sobbing, she's also just
probably not thinking that that footage is going to end
up because her husband at that point had control over
the footage is going to end up playing in over
one thousand cinemas, which is where this documentary is going,
and I think it'll have a huge audience because one
is that people are very obsessed with Kanye West still,
(14:29):
even though his music has been taken off platforms. He's
been taken off social platforms, record labels have dropped him.
Famous friends won't condone what he says and have walked
away from him, not just because of what he said
about Kim Kardashian, but a lot of the very racially
charged stuff he said, a lot of hate against Jewish people,
a lot of Nazi rhetoric, just stuff that has absolutely
no place being mentioned on any forum. But his fan
(14:51):
base is still so strong. People want to consume his
content no matter what. So I feel like they'll go
and watch this movie that they absolutely will.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And as you said, it's got a theatrical release one
thousand screens September nineteen, twenty twenty five. I don't know
if we have like an Australian no.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I haven't seen one, but I'm sure it'll be like
even if it doesn't go to sea Is here, it'll
be available on streaming somewhere and people will flock.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
To watch it and it'll get picked up. I'm sure
it makes me feel uncomfortable. I have to say the
trailer made me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
It's hard to you because I have to just confess
here that I do really want to watch it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So so do I.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But yeah, the overall tone of it unless Kim Kardashian
comes out, and at the time of recording, I haven't
seen her comment, and I couldn't find anywhere in any
of the trade publications like Deadline who report on this
sort of thing. I couldn't find that she had signed
off and it condoned it or anything like that that
would make me feel a bit better about watching it.
But it is this insider look into this person who
shapes culture in music in such a huge way, and
(15:47):
that in itself is fascinating, but it is also Yeah,
it's this difficult thing of showing this other side of
this famous woman who also doesn't want this part of
her life out there. So it's a mixed bag, like
everything else with Kanye West, I feel Nana, Nana.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So you are fit obsessed with this for a while now,
and I don't know much about it, so I'm going
to get you to give me a history lesson. But
the way that it was the intro to me was
someone commented on the post saying, this is like the
Carti b and Nicki Minaj feud for depressed girlies.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yes that is so true. Okay, So Lana Delray, our
favorite chaotic pop star who we spoke about recently because
she's been doing these big live shows after marrying her
Crocodile Hunters saman who I'm still obsessed with them. I
know he's problematic, that's fine, And she's coming out on stage,
but also then leaving the stage and learning a hologram
(16:38):
sing for her and vaping. But we love her anyway
because we love a chaotic queen. So recently she posted
a little snippet of what appears to be an upcoming
song from her next album, and it's very classic Lana.
She looks like she's sitting in a car, she's listening
to the song and there's some questionable lyrics, but also
the caption itself was very telling. So in the caption
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she tagged duck Antonov and said the melody was track
thirteen now to the original Naked Eye. If you have
a life and friends and family in the weeds of
pop culture, you might have thought, oh, she's dissing Taylor
Swift because this came out after very soon to Taylor's
announcement of life as a showgirl, which very infamously doesn't
(17:21):
have her long term collaborator at Jack Anhanoff on it,
whereas Lana also works with Jack and also thirteen is
Taylor's favorite number. So to the initial person scrolling past,
they're like, Oh, she's making a big deal that she's
working with Jack Anhanoff and she's using Taylor's favorite number.
Lana Delray is trying to take down Taylor Swift, which
would have been great and very entertaining for the rest
(17:43):
of us. But that's not what's happening go.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Starting rumors that would have been breaking news.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Everyone's like, is she no, no, no, no, settle out
because if you listen to the lyrics, it's actually about
another pop girlly. I think it's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So for those of you who can't hear lyrics very
well in the Lana del Rays style, which can sometimes
be an issue for me, I had to listen to
it a few times.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Do I unders dance because it's so beautiful, and it's
so beautiful. It is my dream to just rip someone
to shreds via a beautiful song. But you can't tell
that they're cutting you down until you really listen to it. Okay,
So once you go back and you put the pieces together,
it does appear that this song is about fellow musician
Ethel Kine, and I can't say like an actual name
(18:51):
for the song yet, but people have been calling it
like fans who are deep in No. She says Ethel
Caine in the song, so she's referencing Ethel Kine. But
also people are calling the song all about Ethel, which
is a famous play on the movie All About Eve,
which is about a young upstart coming in and taking
over like an established stars life. So Lana Delray has
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been famous for many decades now, She's recently turned forty.
She's got a new album coming out. A lot of
girls have grown up listening to her music. Enter Ethel Kain,
who is an incredible musician. She's coming to Australia soon.
I thought all her Sydney shows were sold out, but
there is one left and I'm going to go buy
my ticket before this air, so no one takes it.
Who has been compared to Lana Delray for quite a
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long time, and at the beginning of Ethel Kain's career,
I guess because she has that beautiful melody and sadness
with her songs, but also very much to her own artist.
But in the early days of her career, Ethel Kaine
has spoken about Lana Delray. She's done covers of Lana
Delray's songs that she's post online which has since been deleted,
and a lot of musical journalists who write about Ethelkaine
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when she first started compared her to like the next
Lana or like the singer who was going to come
up and take Lana's mantle kind of thing, and that
line in there Ethel Kain hated my Instagram post just
by itself could have been read in a few different
ways if you hadn't looked at the rest of the lyrics.
The other one that people have pulled out is I
(20:15):
think it's cute re enacting my Chicago pose. So what
that seems to be in reference to is that Lana
Delray was said to be dating Jack Donahue from the
band Salem, and they posted this photo that was like
quite famous, and then not long after their room and
romance came to an end, Ethel Kain posted a photo
(20:35):
with him as well, in a different location, but it
did look as if she and Jack were trying to
create this famous photo that Lana had posted. And she's
calling her out for.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
That, and then what is their whole Nicki Minaj connection.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh well, Nicki Minaj just came out and said that
she just keeps singing. Ethel Kain hated my Instagram post.
So everyone's like, oh, she's picked aside. I'm like, I
think she's picked a side of just a lyric that's
stuck in her head. But like, this just goes to
show how far this has spread. Okay, when Ethel Kaine
was sort of getting profiled by a lot of mainstream publications,
I believe in the New York Times where they did
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this huge profile on her and they called it the
most famous girl at the waffle House, you know, just
because there's a whole backstory around her being famous and
going there and all this sort of stuff. And then
a few years later, Lana Delray went and worked at
the waffle house for one shift, essentially making her the
most famous girl at the waffle house? And was that
a long player to put that lyric in this song
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so that it's a direct way of calling out what
people think Ethel Kine is and then her coming in
and saying, no, it's actually me.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I thought she just like worked at a restaurant, And
then that Lana was trying to make make fun of
her for working at a restaurant, which kind of is
a bit main But then she actually went and worked
one day at a waffle house, which we.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Assume is like like an American chain, like that whole
classic Yeah, like called classic Dina, like have some waffles
and a black coffee and a cigarette. Kind of very
Lana Delray is. Yeah. And at the time, when when
Lana went and did that waffle house shift, people did
think it was because she had some songs coming out
(22:12):
around it. She was, so she was like it was
she was going to like release a photo shoot from
there or something. But she also just does stuff like that,
like that's you know what I mean, Like she just
does weird shit.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
She's a method artist.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, so at the time was kind of brushed off.
But hearing her seeing the most famous girl at the
waffle house and knowing that that's the link to this
very famous profile about Ethyl, this could all just be
a little bit of I guess fan speculation or like,
is Lana trying to just sort of allude to something
but it's not really there. Until Lana went and commented
on a pop based Instagram post that was talking about
(22:45):
Lana and Ethyl and this is the moment where she
throws away, like all the shade and all the maybe
it could be this and maybe could be all the
nuance of the situation she throws away because under this
Instagram post, Lana del Rey wrote, I didn't know who
Ethel Caine was until a few years ago when someone
brought to my attention the disturbing and graphics side by
side images she would often put up of meat next
(23:06):
to unflattering creatures and cartoon characters, making constant comments about
my weight. I was confused at what she was getting at.
Then I heard she was saying behind closed doors from
mutual friends and started inserting herself into my personal life,
and I was definitely disturbed. I can't find a lot
of these posts, but I did find one where Ethel
had put a photo of like Peter Griffin from Family Guy,
(23:28):
like in a really unflattering way okayoes, and then put
Lana Delarey limix over it. And apparently there is much
worse stuff like in the chatteries of tumb okay.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So this is like, this seems to just be really
escalating and the comments are while that people are kind
of on the either they're either picking sides or they're
saying things like you're forty years old.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Like also, if it is true, which it does feel
like it is, that this new Ethyl Caine song has
all the information we think it is Lana's first proper
diss song, like she's just ex boyfriends before and like
sung about like her heartbreak, but it is her first distrack,
and people think it's kind of embarrassing that she's doing
that at forty years old.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Nobody says that when there's distracks between two rap artists,
so oh.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
One hundred percent disaway no matter what age you are.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That is so part of like rap culture is these
like back and forth dis tracks. Whoever made that comment,
like Bravo, this is the Kadi b Nicki Minaj feud
for depressed girlies and it's really that. But it's interesting
that people are saying, aren't you too old for this?
But they don't say that about rap artists.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No, And I guess like in a way, like it
can be seen as a bit of a power struggle
in favor of Lana. I don't think your personality changes
when you turn forty, that you can't write music in
a certain way, and like, as much as this is
her first real dis track, it's all very her like.
The imagery that she's used and the way she's done
the lyrics and the lead up to it is like
very Blana Delray It just from what I can tell,
(24:54):
hasn't been dis pointed at another fellow musician. But then
there's a slight power and balance that. Obviously, Lana is
over twenty years older than ethel Kine and is a
much more famous artist as much as ethel Kaine's got
a huge fan base like Lana is well not is
one of the greatest musicians of all time, has released
so many albums, is selling out stadium tours, so she's
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in a much more powerful position. The other thing is
it's a bit disturbing and upsetting in the current climate,
especially in the US, when trans people are having their
rights stripped away from them and are in fear for
their life because ethel Kine is a trans artist, and
there's also a lot of hatred and danger for her
as much as she has a huge fan base of
(25:37):
essentially Lana kind of sticking her fans on her and
away is the other uncomfortable about that that.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Is a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And they're doing it. So part of me is like,
just let them have a pop girl fight like other
pop girls have a fight. And the other thing is like, oh,
there's this much more serious thread around a trans artist
being targeted.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And then that kind of loops back in and this
is again purely speculation here from me, loops back in
with you know, her swamp man being a massive Trump supporter.
So there's some kind of very tenuous yeah exactly. Yeah,
So hop potentially people could be feeling a little bit
attacked by which I completely I respect to understand. And
(26:18):
again I am not saying that that's the way that
Lana feels at all. I'm just saying that this is
where people will go.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, it's just an extra importance thread to the conversation.
And I should say, like, Lana's been accused of being
very magarin like a Trump supporter. I haven't seen her
say that. I haven't seen her husband Jeremy officially come
out and say that that's been the thought for a
long time. There is apparently a comment that he said,
I didn't vote for either side because they're both bullshit.
But there is like a gray area there where people
(26:46):
sort of aren't sure which way they lead in that way.
The other thing is, though, is that Ethel Kaine is
obviously getting involved in a way of not just these
very old schooled tumbler posts, but she also posts on
her Insta like this. Just in Lana Delray blocks Ethel
Kine on Instagram, So not only has she put out
this song, but apparently she's blocked her. And then the
other side of it is that Ethel Kaine is very
(27:08):
close to her sister, Delilah. It's also Deliah's birthday today.
Happy birthday, Dlilah, who put up this shady comment which
has again escalated the situation.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You gotta love a sister sticking up for her sibling.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Lie, Yeah, your sister support you.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Now, sister is going to support her sister.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, exactly. So I just thought it was so funny
because I was on Ethel Kaine's Instagram today just making
sure there had been no updates before we came into record,
and it She's just post this huge montage of like
her and Delilah and how close they are and for
her birthday and stuff. But previous to this, when this
whole thing was blowing up, Delilah put up a note
saying that track thirteen is a diss track, and then
(27:46):
she wrote, I can't wait to watch your Hologram perform
this dis track while you hit your vate backstage, Diva,
what inspired you to suddenly make a country album? So
she's calling out the.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Coming in Delilah is like, you will not attack my sister.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
This just in Delilah Kane blocked by that is blocked
by Lana Delray. So that's the thing about the Hologram
we talked about that people are getting angry who are
fans of Lana Delray because they paid all this money
to go to her shows and then for some of it,
she just wanders off stage and then comes back later
on you can see that she's vaping and making it
with her husband, and Hologram sings the.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Song with artists at the moment really like handing it in,
like you know all that stuff about justin Timberlake all
of a sudden, just phoning it in and being like
I got this feeling and then just like hating the
camera to the thing and then just basically like moping
her out. Well he's sick, but yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, but I've heard it like on multiple times.
And now you know, we're doing holograms. We're doing you know,
(28:47):
Ava Barone is singing live and then people in the
theater have to watch her on the screen. There's a
lot of controversies off yes, no age at the moment.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It's also weird, like with Lana, I'm like, just let
her have a hologram like that, crazy gal. I don't
know why. I think she also has been like very
open about the fact that she's not a live performer,
like she should be in a tiny little jazz club
somewhere or like a you know, like a dark room
with twenty p all sitting quietly. She's not really a
stadium performer, but because she has such a big fan base,
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she has to perform in stadiums. But I don't feel
it's her natural sort of spot. So that's kind of
where we're at with the back and forth. Now. I'll
be really interested when the full disk track against ethel
Kine comes out, and also when Ethyl comes to Australia
and tours whether something will be said. But I also
think maybe we're just making this too deep, like maybe
they're just two pop girls. Who word and maybe.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's not that deep that is the whole point, but
we're going to talk about it for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I know, I say, I've literally made this my whole
personality for the entire week. But I just think, maybe
like this is again, this is just kind of sometimes
what famous people do. They have very heightened emotions, They
feel very deeply, They're very intense. One puts out a song,
they bring the waffle house into it, which I'm sure
is having a lovely resurgence of people wanting to go
there and take photos and eat their food, and that's
(30:04):
nice for them. And I just think maybe as long
as like everyone's okay, and it's the fans that take
it too far.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Okay, But when you go to Ethel Kaine's show, can
you please like take a notebook and make sure that
you write any notes and let us know if she
says anything about through.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Some waffles on stage and be like, here you go,
there's enough for everyone.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Get you will get more.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Get taken out. People will think I'm a lot of fan,
which I am. Yeah, that's my both, I know, that's
the thing. I do love both of them. I'm only
just discovered Ethyl ka I must say in like the
last year or so, but I'm really loving her music.
So I was so unaware of this whole backstory when
it came out in fans of like we've known this
for years. I'm like, oh my god. It's like realizing
you had two different neutual friends at different companies and
(30:44):
then realizing they hate each other. Yeah that's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, Okay in the moment.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So that's where we're at. We'll keep you updated should
the situation escalate.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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This bill is produced by Minisias Warren with sound production
(31:13):
by Scott Stronach. We'll see you back here in your
podcast feed for all the Slab headlines at eight am
tomorrow with Morning Tea, then back with another episode at
three pm.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Bye Bye,
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