November 4, 2024 • 23 mins
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And the US election now has a number of famous names involved, but what does it really tell us about the power of celebrity culture?
Plus, Kim Kardashian’s latest red carpet look is making headlines thanks to some (predictable) backlash, but there’s a bigger story happening here.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast
is recorded.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
On from Mamma Mia.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnek and on.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The show today, the hollywoodification of the US presidential candidates
and their last minute campaign strategies, as well as a
new scandal involving Kim Kardashian wearing another famous woman's necklace.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
But first, but first, in some exciting tvingw I'm really excited.
I am too. When I saw this come in, I'm like, oh,
maybe I've moved on. And then I watched a trailer
and I was like, I'm backing in a big way.
So in exciting news, the first teaser trailer for Squid
Game season two has come out this week.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
They're here to take all the Emmys.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, well, I mean hopefully if it's as good as
the first season. It's coming December twenty sixth, So if
you want to have a little Christmas year, chill time
with your family and watch some people be brutally murdered
for entertainment.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I mean, I feel like we're already so anxious between
the dates of Christmas and years, so you may as
well put a show in to fuel that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So if you don' across the original Squid Game, it
came out in twenty twenty one, which feels like a
crazy long time ago, like I've lived many lives since then. Interestingly,
it was the very first TV show that we did
a deep dive on the spill where we just dedicated
a whole episode to it, and we were like, this
is so rogue, We'll get in so much trouble, and
now we do it all the time. It's so good
Squid Game. Interestingly, it was in development for twelve years,
(01:53):
and then once it landed on Netflix in twelve days,
it became the most popular Netflix series ever. It was
in the top ten for nine consecutive weeks. It made
history with a bunch of groundbreaking Emmy wins. If you're
not across it, I want to spoil too much, because
you should definitely go and watch it. I've never experience
something it was so tense. I couldn't even sit my wine,
(02:14):
look at my phone anything while I was watching it
because I was so in it about a group of
people get brought into this squid game, and you know,
basically it's they get killed off. As you go along,
you have to sort of pass each level, more and
more people get killed off, and the reason they're there
is that they're for so many reasons, so desperate for
this money. Because the worst thing is when they got
the chance to leave and they all had to come
(02:34):
back in the game anyway. It just and the games
that they have to play are so inventive and creative
and so deadly and like horrific. Remember the Little Red
Light Green Light Girl, Miss Her.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That was the first game.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That was the first game, because that showed you exactly
what that show was going to do to everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, exactly. And when the first people started dying and
you saw their horror realizing that it wasn't a game
real life. Oh interestingly, for this Korean Netflix show, one person,
I don't want to say too much, just in case
anyone hasn't watched it.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I feel like if you haven't watched it by now, all.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Right, So the person gets out and this is so
the story follows here and his story life.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
He like wins the game.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say that just in case, there's
one person out there who's like screaming at their phone
right now, like don't tell me. One person makes it
out alive and he is now on like a mission
to find the people in these games and bring them down.
So much incredible stuff happens because.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
There's another storyline, right like what we see, what happens
behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, you find out who's running the game and who
was really the mastermind.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Who watches the games.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I know, there's so much. I'm so glad that're
doing a season too, because sometimes with these shows, you think,
oh no, no, that was just one storyline. It's compact, it's finished.
You can't recreate the magic a second time. But for
this show, it just it ended with so many questions.
So December twenty six with Game season two, so excited.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So two presidential candidates, the ones that we know most
about because for the US, our presidential I feel like
we've now been brought into it. I feel like the
whole world's been brought into it. So I'm talking about
Kamla Harris and Donald Trump. The election is happening Wednesday
for US. I will probably go till Friday as they
count ballots, they are pulling out their last stop. So
(04:18):
they have pulled out their last stops for their campaigning.
That feels like it's been going on for like twenty years,
with both of them appearing on the NBC network. So
I look this up, and legally, broadcasting networks in the
US have to give qualified candidates equal airtime. So with
the NBC, they gave Kamala Harris an appearance on an
SNL's skit, and they gave Donald Trump an appearance on
(04:41):
an NFL ad. So have you watched the skit with
Kamala Harris, And oh my god, it is. It's great,
the best thing I've seen. I always get quite nervous
seeing politicians on SNL, like they've all done it, Joe Biden,
Hillary Clinton, Obama, and I feel like it's so obvious
that they're there for their campaigning and to like remind
them that they're president.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But Kamala Harris was genuinely funny.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
She was I also think like for the Democrats that
go on there, it's quite a safe space because there's
usually some sort of I guess like kinship with the
people who make that show and with these people. So
if you think about like Kate McKinnon being Hillary Clinton.
You know, they ended up doing some joint performances together,
and then with my Rudolph with Kamala Harris like she's
been parading her a few years, but not with the
(05:28):
intensity and the mockery that say, when Alec Baldwin was
doing Donald Trump. Look, Alec Baldwin's got a lot of faults,
but he was very good Donald Trump and so kind
of skewing him a bit more. And with the Democratic candidates,
they do make fun of them, but there's it's almost
like they're pulling them into the joke. And I think
that's what why I did with this one. The American
people want to start the chaos and and the dramaa
(05:52):
with a cool new step, Mamala keep back in our
pajamaa's and watch a rum Kamala like legally Blondola and
start decorating for Christmas. Falla Lala la.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
They were so good, nailed it, like the exact same voice,
the way they looked. But I think it came out
so positively for Kamala Harris. Everything I've seen, like the
skit that she did has gone viral on TikTok and
twitter x in particular all the commentary around it that
aren't like super republican. Yeah, all, like this is actually
(06:29):
really funny, Like she did such a good job. In
the same breath, Donald Trump did an NFL ad which
was just quite a straight ad, like his main message
was like, we need to save the country. And because
it was played for Sunday night football. According to Nielsen,
that would have gotten more views because they have around
twenty million viewership while SNL has five point six million.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
However, because of the virility of.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
The SNL skit, it can be assumed that more people
have seen Karmala Harris's video, and I think that's more
international people, but I'm not sure if that matters because
we can't actually vote.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, that's the thing with NSNL skit is that it
can be a little touch and go in terms of,
like you really, in this day, it's not appointment viewing
like it used to be that people would sit down
on Saturday night or they would miss it, like Mindy
Kelling saying she would leave events and parties to get
home and see the weekend update. But you're really counting
for it to go viral on TikTok and so yeah,
if it doesn't achieve that, then it's probably not going
(07:27):
to get the same eyeballs. There's no way to judge it. Also,
just at this stage of the game depends which TikTok
al rhythm you're on, Like people keep saying to me
and like, you know, like you know, group chats and stuff,
people have been like like, who do you think is
pulling ahead? Who are you just gonna win? Like it's
everyone in Australia is really talking about an intense way,
And I honestly have to say, like, because I've seen
the different poll numbers on both sides, and if you
look at one study and report, they'll say like, oh,
(07:47):
Karmla's ahead, and another they'll say Trump's ahead, even though
she's pulled ahead recently in some of the undecided states.
But really, once you get yourself into one little pocket
of the algorithm, it tells two very completely different stories
of who people are voting for.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I think her strategy is quite smart as well, because
it was only confirmed, like moment before the live broadcast
that she would be on SML. She was currently like
still campaigning in those undecided states and like literally diverted
her plane and was like, I'm going to Snel, even
though we know New York is largely democratic, but it
also just like reminded me of like how these politicians
(08:21):
have to do all of this extra stuff and become
like kind of celebrities in their own sense, like they're
in these TV shows and movies just to get their
message across. Like I don't think Donald Trump has done
it recently, but when he was a businessman before being
Trump as we know him, like Home Alone and Fresh
Prince of Bellat, like he was just like so obsessed
with being on TV Donald.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Trumble and a movie seeing how I know that, like
in Home Alone too. In some versions they've cut him
out of that movie, but because people used to film
movies at his locations all the time, so do I
haven't seen the documents, so I don't know, but I
do believe he had a clause that if he filmed
it a Trump property, he had to be in the
TV show movie, which is why he's even so many
he's in. He's got a cameo on so many iconic
(09:02):
movies because he owned all the New York real estate
they were filming at.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
That's so funny, that's so funny of him. Also, do
you remember Michelle Obama. She wasn't I.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Do remember Michelle Obama.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
She was like in the Parks and RECs. I think
a lot of them were in parks and RECs, like
Joe Biden as well. But she made an appearance in IKRLI.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I mean, she's trying to get those younger voters, trying
to get people because you know, because it's not compulsory
to vote, you are trying to get That's why Kamla
Harris did call her daddy and all those kind of
and that's why she did SNL. I'm sure knowing that
it would go viral on TikTok. What I'm kind of
funny interesting about this is that I think what I'm
sort of seeing from a pop culture lens of the
US election is that we kind of had It's kind
(09:41):
of been our understanding for such a long time that
pop culture and celebrity influence is. It's such an all
time high and such an all encompassing high. But I
think if Donald Trump wins the election, it does call
into question because you just think of how many big
name celebrities are rallying around Kamala Harris, like every kind
of big A list Hollywood star every so many musicians,
(10:03):
so many people are out there saying, like vote for her,
and not only they just posting it, they're like, you know,
there's videos of people like even Jennifer Garnald, like, I
know she's not the top celebrity the moment, but she's
the most recent one who I've seen who's out on
the streets trying to get people to vote for Kamla Harris.
And then you also think when Taylor Swift put up
that huge, big endorsement and everyone was like, well, this
(10:24):
is good, that's it, like thee election call, because she
has so much influence. She's the most influential person in
the world right now, and if she's telling people to
go out and vote for a particular person, won't they
do it? But then you look at the polling numbers
and it's so close.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Whenever seeing the bigger picture, because I think we always
just get showed what the algorithm those will digest, because
we forget that, like, yes, Taylor Swift is hugely influential,
but there's also on the same level the same amount
of people who absolutely hate her for no reason. Yeah,
and those people will probably be Republican. And then we
also see like Mel Gibson and like Dennis Quaid, who
(10:57):
are well loudly supportable.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I think when you look at the two different celebrity
endorsement sides, you've got pretty much all of Hollywood, of
the music industry and influences on Kamla Harris's side, and
then on Trump you've got Dennis Quaid, who I don't
think anyone's doing what he said. Mel Gibson, who I
would be telling him to stay out of my rally
if I was not on trumplo. He probably doesn't care.
And also my ex husband now Zachary Levi, I still
(11:19):
got that video on my profile of me talking about
how much I love.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Him and then archive I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Gonna get please remind me of this episode to go
at Ark.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Maybe we can make it ceremonial. So once the election
is called, depending who wins, I mean, if whoever wins,
let's just ceremony.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Zach got up at a Zach Zachary or a straight
got up on the stage the rally and was like,
we only have two choices, so we have to make
a decision. There's no point talking about this or that,
Like this is a decision. I was like, the man
speaks sense. And then he was like, so I think
we should vote for Trump, And I was.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Like, no, wrong decision, Zach, wrong decision.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I didn't back it up with also any fact. It's
not like I'm out here saying that I have more
political knowledge than anyone else. But I'm just saying you
can't just say that, and they're not back it up
with any facts. So anyway, Yeah, the discrepancy of which
celebrities are taking size is so firmly on one side.
So if the election doesn't come off that way, I think,
you know, obviously there's bigger things to worry about, but
I do think it does call into question that like
(12:13):
celebrities of Taylorsiff's power, they can get you to travel,
they can get you to spend all of your life savings,
they can get you to think a particularly dress in
a particular way, but they can't sway a vote. I
think is interesting where people draw the line. So this
is going to feel like a bit of a repetitive sentence.
But Kim Kardashian went to just had to say, I'm like,
(12:33):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Went to a very glitzy event this week and wore
something designed to get headlines, and now there is been
a predictable wave of backlash.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh, we actually talked about this, So you're talking about
the Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is the same story. This is a pick up
episode from two years ago. No, no, no. So Kim
Kardashian attended the LACMA Art and Film Gala.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It was very well, we were busy, we were at Wicked.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah. Actually, for the first time ever, we were at
a bigger event, I do believe. So Kim Kardashian attended.
She obviously looked very beautiful, very put together. But what
the big headline making moment was is that she was
wearing a very famous necklace that once belonged to Princess Diana.
(13:21):
And the last time this very iconic cross statement necklace
was seen was when Princess Diana wore it at a
charity ball in London back in nineteen eighty seven. You
weren't even alive, was alive? I don't remember this moment.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So it's a big piece.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Sounds like it, Yeah, I mean both historically and also
the actual physical size.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's probably very expensive.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So Kim Kardashian bought the piece at a Sotheby's auction
last year for over two hundred ninety eight thousand dollars
for this piece, and this is the first time she
has worn it publicly.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It didn't meanwhile, that that necklace like could pay off
someone's more.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, and you know, obviously that's just part of her
jewelry collection. She has many pieces like that that's in
a draw somewhere. It made headlines when she bought it,
and I think she's been holding onto the perfect moment
to bring it out, and I'm assuming she thought the
art in film Gala was the right place. And the backlash,
of course, is that people think that she's trying to
cosplay is Princess Diana, that she's trying to tie their
(14:23):
names together, and that she's trading off her legacy in
a very cheap way. But I think it actually the
conversation goes so much further than that. I think that's
very kind of almost like predictable backlash, and it doesn't
kind of fuel the conversation anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Personally, I would like to see pieces like that in
a museum where I can also see it. I understand
the ick of having a reality star where a royal
piece of Jewelry's.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
More than a reality star at this stage of the game, Like,
come on, we.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Have m Kardashian's over, then I'll call her something else.
But right now, she's a reality star.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Her business woman, a cultural icon, a business actress. Emily
I'm not I'm not like Kimikardashan doesn't mean to defend her,
but I'm just saying she is more than a reality star. Okay,
but I do aggressive language.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I do understand and the ick.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I think reality starts are great, but I understand the
ick of like seeing something that's so easily available to
so many people.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes, and buying it for that re I think it's
more interesting to kind of look at the bigger play
of what she's doing here. And I understand the it too,
especially for like, you know, people who love Princess Diana
so much and thinking that someone's looking for like a
quick headline, which at the end of the day is
what she has done. Like she got a headline by
wearing that necklace. And if you think of the amount
of press that she's got from it in terms of
(15:40):
all the magazines that covered it, all the news sites
or the podcasts like us, if she had gone out
and sort of paid for that amount of publicity. It
would have been a huge, huge amount of money. And
so every time she wears that necklace or she uses
it for content, which you know, you know they were
filming that whole thing for the Kadashians. There'll be a
whole episode on her wearing the necklace that I will watch.
(16:00):
And just the amount of kind of currency she has
from that. It's almost like how celebrities buy ad space nowadays.
They buy different objects to create buzz, and the way
they're doing that the moment is by trading on famous
names who came before them, and Kim Karashian's kind of
leading the pack with that.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I just like imagine like Will and Harry, like seeing
your dead mother's necklace on Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah exactly. I mean the thing is, if she hadn't
bought it, another rich person would have, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Also the headlines around it, right, they didn't know, They
wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
One hundred percent. It's the headlines around it. And I
think what Kim Karashian's doing with this is that she
she's playing the long game in terms of how she's
trying to cement herself and stop people from you calling
her a reality start and I think it started back
with her wearing the Marilyn Monroe dress in twenty twenty two, which.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Went so well for her.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It did go well for her, Are you kidding? It
didn't go She has been trying it did, Emily. She
has been trying to create that buzz for all the
years after this, and she has never been able to heighten, like,
get to those heightened levels of publicity with another piece again.
And the woman is hard.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So she doesn't care what type of publicer they she
gets a public.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Because yes, she doesn't care I think if some people
are angry at her or if some people are offended
by it, because overall, what she wants is to have
everyone talking about her and to have her picture everywhere,
and for her to be the tailor she is. The
takeaway from that twenty twenty two metgala, there's no denying
that she got the most publicity around it. People still
(17:37):
talk about it, and now her name is forever linked
with Marilyn Monroe, whether people like that or not, because
it's not just that she wore the dress. Also, there
were so many people at the time who were saying
she should have just worn the replica because infamously she
had that little tent on the side of the metgala carpet,
which no one else gets to do. This just shows
her clout. She had to wear a bathrobe to the event,
(18:00):
got into the tent, put the dress on, tiptoed down
the red carpet, barely able to move, and when she
got to the top of the stairs, she put the
replica dress on, which she could easily move and breathe in.
And it didn't matter if I got a drink spilled
on it or anything like that. And so many people said, like, well,
why didn't she just wear the replica dress? But the
thing is that doesn't make headlines. Think of the difference
of Kim Kardashian wearing Marilyn Munrose dress to Kim Kardashian
(18:24):
wearing a replica of Marilyn Munrose dress. One's getting on
the front page and one is a sidebarth.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
But then what's the difference between that and like rage
bait because that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well, I think also it's the story that she builds
up around it, like whether this worked or not. But
what she did was that she There's footage of her
like meeting with the Ripley's team and talking to them.
There's footage of her in her home, in her big,
like you know, mansion, talking about how much she identifies
with Marilyn Monroe and how she was such a smart
businesswoman and she was She even says, like, all these
(18:53):
tricks I do in terms of like using you know,
my body and my looks and everything to kind of
build a brand as a businesswoman, she did it first.
So she really like she was setting the scene for
so long of trying to make it look like she
was paying tribute, not ripping off her name. And that's
why when she was getting ready for the met gala,
she had that whole room. Do you remember this, She
(19:14):
had that whole room of Marilyn Munroe's personal artifacts. So
they had all her original makeup in the room when
she was getting ready, not to use just to be
with her, and they gave her so weird they gave
her a lock of Marilyn Monroe's hair. Yeah, she was
carrying that was a bit weird. I was like, okay,
now down. But the thing is that she didn't just
wear the dress. She was trying to capitalize on Marilyn
(19:39):
Monroe's legacy, because Marilyn Monroe has become like less of
a person to people and more of just an icon,
you know, because she's got such a signature look and
vibe and very much how when Kim kutash she went
to another metgala where she had her face and everything covered,
you could just tell by the silhouette of her body
that's like also a very Marilyn Monroe move.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I still think it's.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So like gross in a way because like obviously Marilyn
Monroe and even Princess Diana such horrific deaths, like well
before the time, and they were like now reading about them,
everyone knows that they've had such a shit time in
the spotlight and with media, and just leave them, like
leave them at peace. Like why does Kim Karashan have
(20:19):
to entangle her name with these women?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Because she's getting such good press out of it, and
also there's so many.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
She's getting pressed, but like it's such a dirty move.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, No, I'm not saying like she's doing the right thing.
I'm just saying from like a business and pr perspective,
it's working really well for her because there's only so
many times she can wear like a near naked outfit
or you know, a wet look dress or something like
that and have that kind of churn of publicity around it,
Like it does get to a stage where you kind
of even at the last met gala, how she had
that sequin dress and it was nice and then she
(20:50):
had to go and grab the cardigan, which people saying
she dribbed on the way there. She didn't. It was
part of the look. It's because she had to have
something to talk about to create a moment. She has
to always have some backstory, and the cardigan didn't land
because it wasn't linked to anyone famous. It was just
her saying, like this is reminding me of being in
the garden with a boyfriend. It's like that boyfriend needs
to be adad famous man or people are not going
(21:11):
to care about your look. So now she's going through
and very strategically linking her name to all these different
famous women to get headlines and to get publicity. And
the way she's doing it is talking about because she's
talked about Princess Diana and how iconic she thinks she
is and how amazing, yes she will she looks like
she can pay tribute she did. You know, she was
one of the last people to speak with Elizabeth Taylor
(21:32):
before she died because she wanted to channel Elizabeth Taylor.
So she did a whole photo shoot looking like Elizabeth Taylor,
and they were supposed to have tea together, and I
think she was about to kind of build her brand
off Elizabeth Taylor, who died in twenty eleven, and one
of the last kind of meetings she had was with
Kim Kardashian. Well, so they only spoke on the phone.
(21:54):
They were supposed to have tea, and I think Kim
Kardashian was going to work on like maybe getting some
of her pieces channeling her doing more than the photo shoot,
kind of like becoming the next like like linking herself
with Elizabeth Taylor. And then they only got a phone
call before she passed away. And I don't think she's
sort of gone back into that area.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
She's like, oh, Elizabeth Taylor's died, I think I can
do something with dead women.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I just don't even again, not overly defending her, I'm
just saying that she I feel like Kim Kardashian and
so many, so many famous Hollywood women are just very
aware of how difficult now it can be to get
those big headline moments, which is why so many of
them when they're doing film press addressing as their characters.
And then we even saw Blake Lively kind of try
(22:37):
and do it and not really it didn't really work
on the It ends with us pressed too. I remember
the premiere, she wore a dress that was very famously
worn by Britney Spears, and as she walked to the carpet,
she kept talking about Britney Spears and saying how much
she loved her, inspired her and they stay alive. Well, yeah,
of course, but she was more talking about linking her
legacy to another famous woman. But because it felt like
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such a kind of almost like such a desperate grab
for publicity, it didn't really land. So I think with
Kim like she's trying to kind of pepper it in
here and there with those iconic pieces and linking them
to fashion moments, and look it's working like that necklace,
like she's going to make her money back on the
amount of like press coverage she's got from it.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
On from Mamma Mia.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnek and on.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The show today, the hollywoodification of the US presidential candidates
and their last minute campaign strategies, as well as a
new scandal involving Kim Kardashian wearing another famous woman's necklace.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
But first, but first, in some exciting tvingw I'm really excited.
I am too. When I saw this come in, I'm like, oh,
maybe I've moved on. And then I watched a trailer
and I was like, I'm backing in a big way.
So in exciting news, the first teaser trailer for Squid
Game season two has come out this week.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
They're here to take all the Emmys.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, well, I mean hopefully if it's as good as
the first season. It's coming December twenty sixth, So if
you want to have a little Christmas year, chill time
with your family and watch some people be brutally murdered
for entertainment.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I mean, I feel like we're already so anxious between
the dates of Christmas and years, so you may as
well put a show in to fuel that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So if you don' across the original Squid Game, it
came out in twenty twenty one, which feels like a
crazy long time ago, like I've lived many lives since then. Interestingly,
it was the very first TV show that we did
a deep dive on the spill where we just dedicated
a whole episode to it, and we were like, this
is so rogue, We'll get in so much trouble, and
now we do it all the time. It's so good
Squid Game. Interestingly, it was in development for twelve years,
(01:53):
and then once it landed on Netflix in twelve days,
it became the most popular Netflix series ever. It was
in the top ten for nine consecutive weeks. It made
history with a bunch of groundbreaking Emmy wins. If you're
not across it, I want to spoil too much, because
you should definitely go and watch it. I've never experience
something it was so tense. I couldn't even sit my wine,
(02:14):
look at my phone anything while I was watching it
because I was so in it about a group of
people get brought into this squid game, and you know,
basically it's they get killed off. As you go along,
you have to sort of pass each level, more and
more people get killed off, and the reason they're there
is that they're for so many reasons, so desperate for
this money. Because the worst thing is when they got
the chance to leave and they all had to come
(02:34):
back in the game anyway. It just and the games
that they have to play are so inventive and creative
and so deadly and like horrific. Remember the Little Red
Light Green Light Girl, Miss Her.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That was the first game.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That was the first game, because that showed you exactly
what that show was going to do to everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, exactly. And when the first people started dying and
you saw their horror realizing that it wasn't a game
real life. Oh interestingly, for this Korean Netflix show, one person,
I don't want to say too much, just in case
anyone hasn't watched it.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I feel like if you haven't watched it by now, all.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Right, So the person gets out and this is so
the story follows here and his story life.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
He like wins the game.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say that just in case, there's
one person out there who's like screaming at their phone
right now, like don't tell me. One person makes it
out alive and he is now on like a mission
to find the people in these games and bring them down.
So much incredible stuff happens because.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
There's another storyline, right like what we see, what happens
behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, you find out who's running the game and who
was really the mastermind.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Who watches the games.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I know, there's so much. I'm so glad that're
doing a season too, because sometimes with these shows, you think,
oh no, no, that was just one storyline. It's compact, it's finished.
You can't recreate the magic a second time. But for
this show, it just it ended with so many questions.
So December twenty six with Game season two, so excited.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So two presidential candidates, the ones that we know most
about because for the US, our presidential I feel like
we've now been brought into it. I feel like the
whole world's been brought into it. So I'm talking about
Kamla Harris and Donald Trump. The election is happening Wednesday
for US. I will probably go till Friday as they
count ballots, they are pulling out their last stop. So
(04:18):
they have pulled out their last stops for their campaigning.
That feels like it's been going on for like twenty years,
with both of them appearing on the NBC network. So
I look this up, and legally, broadcasting networks in the
US have to give qualified candidates equal airtime. So with
the NBC, they gave Kamala Harris an appearance on an
SNL's skit, and they gave Donald Trump an appearance on
(04:41):
an NFL ad. So have you watched the skit with
Kamala Harris, And oh my god, it is. It's great,
the best thing I've seen. I always get quite nervous
seeing politicians on SNL, like they've all done it, Joe Biden,
Hillary Clinton, Obama, and I feel like it's so obvious
that they're there for their campaigning and to like remind
them that they're president.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But Kamala Harris was genuinely funny.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
She was I also think like for the Democrats that
go on there, it's quite a safe space because there's
usually some sort of I guess like kinship with the
people who make that show and with these people. So
if you think about like Kate McKinnon being Hillary Clinton.
You know, they ended up doing some joint performances together,
and then with my Rudolph with Kamala Harris like she's
been parading her a few years, but not with the
(05:28):
intensity and the mockery that say, when Alec Baldwin was
doing Donald Trump. Look, Alec Baldwin's got a lot of faults,
but he was very good Donald Trump and so kind
of skewing him a bit more. And with the Democratic candidates,
they do make fun of them, but there's it's almost
like they're pulling them into the joke. And I think
that's what why I did with this one. The American
people want to start the chaos and and the dramaa
(05:52):
with a cool new step, Mamala keep back in our
pajamaa's and watch a rum Kamala like legally Blondola and
start decorating for Christmas. Falla Lala la.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
They were so good, nailed it, like the exact same voice,
the way they looked. But I think it came out
so positively for Kamala Harris. Everything I've seen, like the
skit that she did has gone viral on TikTok and
twitter x in particular all the commentary around it that
aren't like super republican. Yeah, all, like this is actually
(06:29):
really funny, Like she did such a good job. In
the same breath, Donald Trump did an NFL ad which
was just quite a straight ad, like his main message
was like, we need to save the country. And because
it was played for Sunday night football. According to Nielsen,
that would have gotten more views because they have around
twenty million viewership while SNL has five point six million.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
However, because of the virility of.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
The SNL skit, it can be assumed that more people
have seen Karmala Harris's video, and I think that's more
international people, but I'm not sure if that matters because
we can't actually vote.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, that's the thing with NSNL skit is that it
can be a little touch and go in terms of,
like you really, in this day, it's not appointment viewing
like it used to be that people would sit down
on Saturday night or they would miss it, like Mindy
Kelling saying she would leave events and parties to get
home and see the weekend update. But you're really counting
for it to go viral on TikTok and so yeah,
if it doesn't achieve that, then it's probably not going
(07:27):
to get the same eyeballs. There's no way to judge it. Also,
just at this stage of the game depends which TikTok
al rhythm you're on, Like people keep saying to me
and like, you know, like you know, group chats and stuff,
people have been like like, who do you think is
pulling ahead? Who are you just gonna win? Like it's
everyone in Australia is really talking about an intense way,
And I honestly have to say, like, because I've seen
the different poll numbers on both sides, and if you
look at one study and report, they'll say like, oh,
(07:47):
Karmla's ahead, and another they'll say Trump's ahead, even though
she's pulled ahead recently in some of the undecided states.
But really, once you get yourself into one little pocket
of the algorithm, it tells two very completely different stories
of who people are voting for.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I think her strategy is quite smart as well, because
it was only confirmed, like moment before the live broadcast
that she would be on SML. She was currently like
still campaigning in those undecided states and like literally diverted
her plane and was like, I'm going to Snel, even
though we know New York is largely democratic, but it
also just like reminded me of like how these politicians
(08:21):
have to do all of this extra stuff and become
like kind of celebrities in their own sense, like they're
in these TV shows and movies just to get their
message across. Like I don't think Donald Trump has done
it recently, but when he was a businessman before being
Trump as we know him, like Home Alone and Fresh
Prince of Bellat, like he was just like so obsessed
with being on TV Donald.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Trumble and a movie seeing how I know that, like
in Home Alone too. In some versions they've cut him
out of that movie, but because people used to film
movies at his locations all the time, so do I
haven't seen the documents, so I don't know, but I
do believe he had a clause that if he filmed
it a Trump property, he had to be in the
TV show movie, which is why he's even so many
he's in. He's got a cameo on so many iconic
(09:02):
movies because he owned all the New York real estate
they were filming at.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
That's so funny, that's so funny of him. Also, do
you remember Michelle Obama. She wasn't I.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Do remember Michelle Obama.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
She was like in the Parks and RECs. I think
a lot of them were in parks and RECs, like
Joe Biden as well. But she made an appearance in IKRLI.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I mean, she's trying to get those younger voters, trying
to get people because you know, because it's not compulsory
to vote, you are trying to get That's why Kamla
Harris did call her daddy and all those kind of
and that's why she did SNL. I'm sure knowing that
it would go viral on TikTok. What I'm kind of
funny interesting about this is that I think what I'm
sort of seeing from a pop culture lens of the
US election is that we kind of had It's kind
(09:41):
of been our understanding for such a long time that
pop culture and celebrity influence is. It's such an all
time high and such an all encompassing high. But I
think if Donald Trump wins the election, it does call
into question because you just think of how many big
name celebrities are rallying around Kamala Harris, like every kind
of big A list Hollywood star every so many musicians,
(10:03):
so many people are out there saying, like vote for her,
and not only they just posting it, they're like, you know,
there's videos of people like even Jennifer Garnald, like, I
know she's not the top celebrity the moment, but she's
the most recent one who I've seen who's out on
the streets trying to get people to vote for Kamla Harris.
And then you also think when Taylor Swift put up
that huge, big endorsement and everyone was like, well, this
(10:24):
is good, that's it, like thee election call, because she
has so much influence. She's the most influential person in
the world right now, and if she's telling people to
go out and vote for a particular person, won't they
do it? But then you look at the polling numbers
and it's so close.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Whenever seeing the bigger picture, because I think we always
just get showed what the algorithm those will digest, because
we forget that, like, yes, Taylor Swift is hugely influential,
but there's also on the same level the same amount
of people who absolutely hate her for no reason. Yeah,
and those people will probably be Republican. And then we
also see like Mel Gibson and like Dennis Quaid, who
(10:57):
are well loudly supportable.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I think when you look at the two different celebrity
endorsement sides, you've got pretty much all of Hollywood, of
the music industry and influences on Kamla Harris's side, and
then on Trump you've got Dennis Quaid, who I don't
think anyone's doing what he said. Mel Gibson, who I
would be telling him to stay out of my rally
if I was not on trumplo. He probably doesn't care.
And also my ex husband now Zachary Levi, I still
(11:19):
got that video on my profile of me talking about
how much I love.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Him and then archive I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Gonna get please remind me of this episode to go
at Ark.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Maybe we can make it ceremonial. So once the election
is called, depending who wins, I mean, if whoever wins,
let's just ceremony.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Zach got up at a Zach Zachary or a straight
got up on the stage the rally and was like,
we only have two choices, so we have to make
a decision. There's no point talking about this or that,
Like this is a decision. I was like, the man
speaks sense. And then he was like, so I think
we should vote for Trump, And I was.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Like, no, wrong decision, Zach, wrong decision.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I didn't back it up with also any fact. It's
not like I'm out here saying that I have more
political knowledge than anyone else. But I'm just saying you
can't just say that, and they're not back it up
with any facts. So anyway, Yeah, the discrepancy of which
celebrities are taking size is so firmly on one side.
So if the election doesn't come off that way, I think,
you know, obviously there's bigger things to worry about, but
I do think it does call into question that like
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celebrities of Taylorsiff's power, they can get you to travel,
they can get you to spend all of your life savings,
they can get you to think a particularly dress in
a particular way, but they can't sway a vote. I
think is interesting where people draw the line. So this
is going to feel like a bit of a repetitive sentence.
But Kim Kardashian went to just had to say, I'm like,
(12:33):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Went to a very glitzy event this week and wore
something designed to get headlines, and now there is been
a predictable wave of backlash.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh, we actually talked about this, So you're talking about
the Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is the same story. This is a pick up
episode from two years ago. No, no, no. So Kim
Kardashian attended the LACMA Art and Film Gala.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It was very well, we were busy, we were at Wicked.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah. Actually, for the first time ever, we were at
a bigger event, I do believe. So Kim Kardashian attended.
She obviously looked very beautiful, very put together. But what
the big headline making moment was is that she was
wearing a very famous necklace that once belonged to Princess Diana.
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And the last time this very iconic cross statement necklace
was seen was when Princess Diana wore it at a
charity ball in London back in nineteen eighty seven. You
weren't even alive, was alive? I don't remember this moment.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So it's a big piece.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Sounds like it, Yeah, I mean both historically and also
the actual physical size.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's probably very expensive.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So Kim Kardashian bought the piece at a Sotheby's auction
last year for over two hundred ninety eight thousand dollars
for this piece, and this is the first time she
has worn it publicly.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It didn't meanwhile, that that necklace like could pay off
someone's more.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, and you know, obviously that's just part of her
jewelry collection. She has many pieces like that that's in
a draw somewhere. It made headlines when she bought it,
and I think she's been holding onto the perfect moment
to bring it out, and I'm assuming she thought the
art in film Gala was the right place. And the backlash,
of course, is that people think that she's trying to
cosplay is Princess Diana, that she's trying to tie their
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names together, and that she's trading off her legacy in
a very cheap way. But I think it actually the
conversation goes so much further than that. I think that's
very kind of almost like predictable backlash, and it doesn't
kind of fuel the conversation anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Personally, I would like to see pieces like that in
a museum where I can also see it. I understand
the ick of having a reality star where a royal
piece of Jewelry's.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
More than a reality star at this stage of the game, Like,
come on, we.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Have m Kardashian's over, then I'll call her something else.
But right now, she's a reality star.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Her business woman, a cultural icon, a business actress. Emily
I'm not I'm not like Kimikardashan doesn't mean to defend her,
but I'm just saying she is more than a reality star. Okay,
but I do aggressive language.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I do understand and the ick.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I think reality starts are great, but I understand the
ick of like seeing something that's so easily available to
so many people.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes, and buying it for that re I think it's
more interesting to kind of look at the bigger play
of what she's doing here. And I understand the it too,
especially for like, you know, people who love Princess Diana
so much and thinking that someone's looking for like a
quick headline, which at the end of the day is
what she has done. Like she got a headline by
wearing that necklace. And if you think of the amount
of press that she's got from it in terms of
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all the magazines that covered it, all the news sites
or the podcasts like us, if she had gone out
and sort of paid for that amount of publicity. It
would have been a huge, huge amount of money. And
so every time she wears that necklace or she uses
it for content, which you know, you know they were
filming that whole thing for the Kadashians. There'll be a
whole episode on her wearing the necklace that I will watch.
(16:00):
And just the amount of kind of currency she has
from that. It's almost like how celebrities buy ad space nowadays.
They buy different objects to create buzz, and the way
they're doing that the moment is by trading on famous
names who came before them, and Kim Karashian's kind of
leading the pack with that.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I just like imagine like Will and Harry, like seeing
your dead mother's necklace on Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah exactly. I mean the thing is, if she hadn't
bought it, another rich person would have, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Also the headlines around it, right, they didn't know, They
wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
One hundred percent. It's the headlines around it. And I
think what Kim Karashian's doing with this is that she
she's playing the long game in terms of how she's
trying to cement herself and stop people from you calling
her a reality start and I think it started back
with her wearing the Marilyn Monroe dress in twenty twenty two, which.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Went so well for her.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It did go well for her, Are you kidding? It
didn't go She has been trying it did, Emily. She
has been trying to create that buzz for all the
years after this, and she has never been able to heighten, like,
get to those heightened levels of publicity with another piece again.
And the woman is hard.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So she doesn't care what type of publicer they she
gets a public.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Because yes, she doesn't care I think if some people
are angry at her or if some people are offended
by it, because overall, what she wants is to have
everyone talking about her and to have her picture everywhere,
and for her to be the tailor she is. The
takeaway from that twenty twenty two metgala, there's no denying
that she got the most publicity around it. People still
(17:37):
talk about it, and now her name is forever linked
with Marilyn Monroe, whether people like that or not, because
it's not just that she wore the dress. Also, there
were so many people at the time who were saying
she should have just worn the replica because infamously she
had that little tent on the side of the metgala carpet,
which no one else gets to do. This just shows
her clout. She had to wear a bathrobe to the event,
(18:00):
got into the tent, put the dress on, tiptoed down
the red carpet, barely able to move, and when she
got to the top of the stairs, she put the
replica dress on, which she could easily move and breathe in.
And it didn't matter if I got a drink spilled
on it or anything like that. And so many people said, like, well,
why didn't she just wear the replica dress? But the
thing is that doesn't make headlines. Think of the difference
of Kim Kardashian wearing Marilyn Munrose dress to Kim Kardashian
(18:24):
wearing a replica of Marilyn Munrose dress. One's getting on
the front page and one is a sidebarth.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
But then what's the difference between that and like rage
bait because that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well, I think also it's the story that she builds
up around it, like whether this worked or not. But
what she did was that she There's footage of her
like meeting with the Ripley's team and talking to them.
There's footage of her in her home, in her big,
like you know, mansion, talking about how much she identifies
with Marilyn Monroe and how she was such a smart
businesswoman and she was She even says, like, all these
(18:53):
tricks I do in terms of like using you know,
my body and my looks and everything to kind of
build a brand as a businesswoman, she did it first.
So she really like she was setting the scene for
so long of trying to make it look like she
was paying tribute, not ripping off her name. And that's
why when she was getting ready for the met gala,
she had that whole room. Do you remember this, She
(19:14):
had that whole room of Marilyn Munroe's personal artifacts. So
they had all her original makeup in the room when
she was getting ready, not to use just to be
with her, and they gave her so weird they gave
her a lock of Marilyn Monroe's hair. Yeah, she was
carrying that was a bit weird. I was like, okay,
now down. But the thing is that she didn't just
wear the dress. She was trying to capitalize on Marilyn
(19:39):
Monroe's legacy, because Marilyn Monroe has become like less of
a person to people and more of just an icon,
you know, because she's got such a signature look and
vibe and very much how when Kim kutash she went
to another metgala where she had her face and everything covered,
you could just tell by the silhouette of her body
that's like also a very Marilyn Monroe move.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I still think it's.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So like gross in a way because like obviously Marilyn
Monroe and even Princess Diana such horrific deaths, like well
before the time, and they were like now reading about them,
everyone knows that they've had such a shit time in
the spotlight and with media, and just leave them, like
leave them at peace. Like why does Kim Karashan have
(20:19):
to entangle her name with these women?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Because she's getting such good press out of it, and
also there's so many.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
She's getting pressed, but like it's such a dirty move.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, No, I'm not saying like she's doing the right thing.
I'm just saying from like a business and pr perspective,
it's working really well for her because there's only so
many times she can wear like a near naked outfit
or you know, a wet look dress or something like
that and have that kind of churn of publicity around it,
Like it does get to a stage where you kind
of even at the last met gala, how she had
that sequin dress and it was nice and then she
(20:50):
had to go and grab the cardigan, which people saying
she dribbed on the way there. She didn't. It was
part of the look. It's because she had to have
something to talk about to create a moment. She has
to always have some backstory, and the cardigan didn't land
because it wasn't linked to anyone famous. It was just
her saying, like this is reminding me of being in
the garden with a boyfriend. It's like that boyfriend needs
to be adad famous man or people are not going
(21:11):
to care about your look. So now she's going through
and very strategically linking her name to all these different
famous women to get headlines and to get publicity. And
the way she's doing it is talking about because she's
talked about Princess Diana and how iconic she thinks she
is and how amazing, yes she will she looks like
she can pay tribute she did. You know, she was
one of the last people to speak with Elizabeth Taylor
(21:32):
before she died because she wanted to channel Elizabeth Taylor.
So she did a whole photo shoot looking like Elizabeth Taylor,
and they were supposed to have tea together, and I
think she was about to kind of build her brand
off Elizabeth Taylor, who died in twenty eleven, and one
of the last kind of meetings she had was with
Kim Kardashian. Well, so they only spoke on the phone.
(21:54):
They were supposed to have tea, and I think Kim
Kardashian was going to work on like maybe getting some
of her pieces channeling her doing more than the photo shoot,
kind of like becoming the next like like linking herself
with Elizabeth Taylor. And then they only got a phone
call before she passed away. And I don't think she's
sort of gone back into that area.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
She's like, oh, Elizabeth Taylor's died, I think I can
do something with dead women.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I just don't even again, not overly defending her, I'm
just saying that she I feel like Kim Kardashian and
so many, so many famous Hollywood women are just very
aware of how difficult now it can be to get
those big headline moments, which is why so many of
them when they're doing film press addressing as their characters.
And then we even saw Blake Lively kind of try
(22:37):
and do it and not really it didn't really work
on the It ends with us pressed too. I remember
the premiere, she wore a dress that was very famously
worn by Britney Spears, and as she walked to the carpet,
she kept talking about Britney Spears and saying how much
she loved her, inspired her and they stay alive. Well, yeah,
of course, but she was more talking about linking her
legacy to another famous woman. But because it felt like
(22:59):
such a kind of almost like such a desperate grab
for publicity, it didn't really land. So I think with
Kim like she's trying to kind of pepper it in
here and there with those iconic pieces and linking them
to fashion moments, and look it's working like that necklace,
like she's going to make her money back on the
amount of like press coverage she's got from it.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Thank you so much for listening to the episode today.
If you want more content on the US election. You
can listen to Mamma MIA's daily news podcast, The Quickie,
and if you want more from us, head over to
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Speaker 2 (23:31):
At the Spill podcast, you will see us crying at
the Wicked premiere, which is really fun for you. Wasn't
that fun for us? But you know what, I think
we wondered.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
My eyes are so sore still.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production
by Scott Stronik.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
We will be back here in your podcast feed at
three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Bye bye
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