October 27, 2025 • 27 mins
Our favourite new pop star Olivia Dean has broken records recently, and we can’t get her catchy tunes out of our heads, so what led to her star-making turn? Let's talk about it.
Plus, all your favourite celebs gathered at Vogue World: Hollywood this week, and here are all the moments you might have missed. Not sure what Vogue World is? Allow us to (kind of) explain.
And what do Nicole Kidman, Katy Perry, and Jessica Alba all have in common? They have all successfully navigated their divorces into a powerful PR move, with a side of public revenge.
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Want the low down on Nicole and Keith's divorce? Find out The Most Shocking Detail From Nicole Kidman’s Divorce Document
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Casceni Lukitch and coming up
on the show today, all the biggest stars in the
world have converged on a very fancy fashion event, but
a lot of people are not sure what it is.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We've also had some wild celebrity interactions, some wild looks
on the runway, so we're going to get into that. Plus,
there's one big pr move that every famous woman in
Hollywood is making. It does involve legal proceedings, so we
don't recommend you try it at home, but we're going
to get into that. But first, a little bit of
fun news to the day. I know this makes me
a basic bitch because I think every man and woman
(00:59):
Astraya is also listening to these songs on repeat. But
there's one thing I'm obsessed with at the moment, and
it's Olivia Dean.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I absolutely adore her. Her song is such an earworm
that many such an earworm, It just occupies so much
of my brain space at the moment. Yeah, and it's
also like when you can see when something's crossed over
(01:26):
into like true kind of pop royalty, when it's the
backing song that everyone is using at the moment for
all of their like photo dumps on Instagram video.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah. No, no, that's why it is a song because
as soon as you hear it, it like brings you to
a fun place. I've even started hearing it playing in
the shopping center and that's when I know that something
has truly crossed over to the mainstream. It's just come
out recently that Olivia Dean has made UK chart history
as the first woman ever with four songs in the
top ten. So that is a huge achievement that we
wanted to highlight.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So she's also debuted on Billboard's Top one hundred. In
the top ten, she got to number eight with Man
I Made, so that's also huge because as she's a
UK artist, crossing over into who the US is a
big deal. And also on the ARIA charts she's done
really well. And I also found out that she's actually
playing at the Arias this year.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, and I feel like that's going to be the
real big drawad card to kick that up because everyone
is trying to get Olivia Dean tickets, so when she tours,
everyone's trying to get access to her shows. And it
also comes off the back of the Art of Loving
her album sort of going up the charts, and she's
actually the first British solo female artist to claim like
these two different chart topping titles since Adele, so everyone's
(02:38):
now kind of calling her the next Adele.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
She's only twenty six. She's born in nineteen ninety nine,
which is really wild to me.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So the Art of Loving this is her sophomore album,
so her second album, and then MESSI I Believe was.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Her first album.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
She's kind of been on the scene since twenty twenty one.
I didn't really know about her.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Until this year. I'm not that cool. I know you
said that you had a sister who had vanced so
I this is so bad of me.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
This happens to me a lot where I'll see someone
I remember going to like like a concert in Newcastle
like fifteen years ago and watching this performer, Lady Gaga,
beyond stage everyone was and everyone was like talking and
no one was paying, and no one was paying attention
to her. Yeah, and I was watching her being like,
I just feel like this girl is going to be
(03:22):
big and not that that like Olivia Dean when I
saw her the earlier this year, it was already a
big star, but I wasn't cool enough to know who
she is. I just feel like I'm so across TV,
I'm so across film, and I love music, but I'm
just not across who the cool people are. But I
remember my sister saying that she was going she had
bought tickets to a festival specifically to see Olivia Dean
earlier this year. And we're the exact same person, except
(03:45):
she's a doctor and I'm a podcaster. I just imagine
if I was your doctor with this energy. Okay, she's
saw across live music that she had a chapel her
own birthday party like five years ago. Oh yeah, no,
I'm kind of no, I'm not that cool either. And
I remember calling her after I had been to this
showcase that I got invited to where all these different
artists came out on stage and the last one was
a girl called Olivia Dean and I knew who she was, Like,
(04:06):
I'm not completely stupid. It was this year, but I
wasn't across sort of all of her songs, and she
came out and she was like so excited to be there,
and she's like, thank you all so much for coming,
and I was like, it's literally our pleasure, Like I
feel like people are trying to get tickets to you,
and just watching her thing was just like mesmerizing, Like
I did have that feeling that I was watching a
superstar who would soon be selling out arenas, having this
(04:26):
opportunity to watch her in a room with fifty people
and be just standing by the stage just watching her.
And then she was just walking through the crowd afterwards
and being really smiling and happy, and I remember trying
to think to myself, like, just remember this because in
a few years, this is going to be a story
that you tell.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, it's quite nice to see her sort of on
the precipice of really exploding, and we're seeing that with
all these records that she's breaking. You know, she's going
into the US market and to the Australian market, the
UK market, like she is about to go huge, and
it couldn't happen to a nicer person. She looks so sweet,
she's got the most beautiful little face.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't want that to sound patronizing.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
She's just she's She's a gorgeous, lovely, warm energy to her.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And one of the reasons I wanted to bring this
up is that I feel like with music, it's a
very much thing like if you didn't know straight away,
then you shouldn't know. Like I feel like some people
can be like, oh, but she's on her second album,
Oh she's two Astralia before this kind of thing like
getting into her music now as she becomes a bigger celeb,
can sometimes see like you're coming to the party too late,
or that if you didn't like someone from the moment
(05:30):
that music came out, then you don't deserve to like
them now. And I think sometimes there's this weird ownership
over music. So I just want to say, if you
want of those people out there who has literally heard
her name today, it's okay if you like her music
and to be like discovering her so many years later.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, I mean, we're not.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
We don't have to be as pretentious as some certain
radio networks that you have a very particular vibe about them,
where you know you have.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
To know about it.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But if you didn't know about them the moment that
first single came out that if there.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Were real music stops, I'm not a music stub I
will listen to We both love a bit of musical
theater or not.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah exactly. So I feel like I spend so much
time listening to Broadway that sometimes I forget the young
and pop stars. But anyway, you were.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Too deep and wicked to worry about all of you.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It's I've only come around just now.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So over the weekend, Vogue World had their Hollywood Fashion
show at Paramount Picture Studios in California. Now, this has
probably been all over your feeds. You've seen the footage,
you've seen the videos of you know, Miley Cyrus and
Haley Baber, and I know a lot of you are
asking what the hell it is, But let's just enjoy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
What the show is doing before we go into that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Because the reason I love this so much, this particular show,
is because of how it blended Hollywood history with that fashion.
And it's one of my favorite things in the world
is seeing like old Hollywood costume pieces and seeing fashion
as art.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I know that sounds a bit, you know, but
I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's just like a piece of little Hollywood history and
film history. So we had some really great moments and
it looked like probably one of the funnest fashion show
I've ever seen. And that is proof when you see
like people like Hailey Bieber and Miley Cyrus sitting together
and the entire show.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Hey Bieber, who is usually quite stoic when she's.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
At a fashion show, she's got her fashion look on,
you know, or she's walking the runway. The whole show,
all of the clips of her, she's laughing, giggling, chatting
to Miley Cyrus. They're both wearing these like leather get ups,
and it was just so joyful to see her like
so happy.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
It took me a second to realize that was Miley Cyrus.
When Hailey Bieber, she's the last one to be seen
in that front row, she comes along and then they
have that interaction, and it took me a second because
Miley Cyrus is in the full get up like face
covered gloves, to figure out who it was. Then they
said something to each other.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Right, yeah, I think Miley says to Hailey of all people,
which I think is probably said.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
In like a jesting kind of way like, oh god, not.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You Are they friendly?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It looks like they're quite friendly.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They honestly, all of the clips of them, they are
chatting really animatedly and happily the entire time. And that
was something that was quite unique about this particular show
is that there were a lot of celebs that both
on and off the runway. So you know, Doja Cat
performed and this like Tina Turner inspired look. We had
(08:26):
Gracie Abrams perform as well, which was really sweet, and
Elizabeth Debicki was on the runway. We had Kendall Jenna
on the runway in this like Setine outfit. So there's
a huge amount of stars actually on the runway. But
then we're seeing like someone like Ada Wintur, you know,
the head of Vogue, also laughing and bopping to Dojah Cat.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Did you see her doing that?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean the thing is Adam Winter is
like she is no one for being very stoic, but
when she is at an event and she's enjoying herself,
she also will like you see her laughing, like she's
got her celeb friends that she like engages with when
she sees something on the runway, like she'll have a
big reaction to it, like she's not always sitting there
with an angry face.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
No, And I didn't mean it in like a way
that she's angry.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It was just that it was so nice to see
these people who are usually a little bit more stone,
just with massive smiles and just like so much joy.
When I saw the photos and videos of Hailey Bieber,
I was like, she just looked really happy, and I
was like, you look really lovely and happy, and it
just looked like.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So much fun.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The other moment that I really loved is Gwydeth Poutrow
was also there. Now, one of her more iconic characters
is the Royal ten and Bounds character Margo Tennenbaum.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Now, if you can't.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Bring that to you at the top of your mind,
it's Wes Anderson's very very famous movie.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Where she's wearing that sort of brown fur coat.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
She's got this really severe blonde bob with a fringe,
and it's just like a pretty iconic character. Lots of
people use it. For Halloween. One of the models is
walking down in that outfit. Someone pans across to Gwyneth
Paltrow and she's pissing herself laughing. And again, it must
be so strange to see costume that you've been wearing
(10:11):
on film in front of you, like Nicole Kidman, you know,
seeing Setine, the Setine costume right in front of her.
It's just an It would be quite sort of an
odd experience, I think as a performer. Yeah, absolutely so,
this particular Vogue World Hollywood. They've done this for three
years now, but last year they did it at Plasmndome
in Paris, and then I think the first year was
(10:34):
in New York. So this particular one was called Vogue
World Hollywood, and I was celebrating the rich conversation between
film and fashion, centering on the most inspiring characters in
cinema history. And it was opened by bas Lehman and
Nicole Kidman, and you know bas Lehmon's they go, this
is't a normal fashion show. This is supposed to be
(10:54):
a good time, and it really looked like a great time.
We also had some great nods to different performers and
really really iconic characters on film and TV. One of
the really great ones was Hunting Schaefer in the original
Orlando costume. This Shakespeare's Orlando yeah, and you know, she's
(11:18):
really embodying this character walking down the runway. In this
original piece, we had Gwyneth Paltrow in one of Quentin
Tarantino's from Once upon a Time in Hollywood. We're Teana
Taylor in like the MC universe black panther outfits.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It was just a really fun time.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
If you get a chance to watch the whole thing,
definitely head to the Vogue website and check it out
because it is really entertaining as far as a fashion
show goes.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's very entertaining.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But yuess also it's like a fashion celebrity kind of spectacle.
I guess the end of the day, it's like a
marketing exercise for Vogue. It's so funny because I listened
to so many podcasts that cross over between fashion and
pop culture music, and so they're like hosted by fashion journalists,
and even then when they've been talking about Vogue World
this week, they're just like, what kind of is it?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's not for the public, I guess unless you watch it.
I don't know if you can buy like a general
admission tickets or anything like that, or it is no. No,
Vogue wouldn't have any ref raff in there should they
That's fair enough. It's more just like I guess for
the celebrity spectacle and the costumes and all of that
sort of stuff, But I guess it's just kind of
like it's just the Vogue brand. Like it's so funny,
how like, no matter what happens in the world or
(12:24):
no matter what they stand for, like every celebritios sees
Vogue as like the pinnacle of what they want to
still like be involved with, which is so interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, and you know, they obviously had quite a few
big sponsors there. I think like eBay was a sponsor.
Cynthia Rivo was there with eBay. They had like the
US Chase Bank was a big sponsor, And obviously these
brands want to be associated with Vogue. It's like the
Vogue Fashion Night Out that we have here, which is
a shopping brand.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Obviously it's not shopping.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Necessarily, but you're right, it's just a marketing exercise. But
for someone who really likes the history of fashion, I
found it really interesting because I do think fashion as
a general rule is such a moment in timearticularly Hollywood films,
where there's so many iconic clothes and pieces that really
(13:17):
make cinema.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It gave me a bit of a kick to see
it all on a runway like that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Absolutely, Well, speaking of Vogue World, there was one other
part of that whole spectacle that has got people talking
and that we purposely didn't yes yes, because there's a
whole bigger story there. So it was Nicole Kidman sasheting
down the runway in looking like an absolute bombshell, seriously,
(13:45):
like very old kind of Hollywood, with the big hair,
the strapless black gown, and that's the photo that's going
viral for many reasons, and a lot of that is
linked to not just the fact that she looked gorgeous,
not just the fact that she was there with Basloman,
who was a very long term collaborator with her. Did
mul and Rouge together, Australia together.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
All of these kind of like iconic roles, and they've
been long term friends for a long time, so those
pictures were around, but it was really the photos of
Nicole sasheing down the runway. You can see she gets
this huge reaction from the audience and people are calling
the dress that she's wearing her revenge dress, her revenge
against Keith Irban after their divorce.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And I also just wanted to point out in something
that I did notice is remember how a few weeks
ago we were talking about her bangs and everyone was like,
oh my god, she's cut bangs.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's her divorce bags.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I was like, it was clearly just a piece, like
we say, because she did have them exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And I just feel like, I wonder how long this
is going to go on for We've had a few
more monthsters because everyone's like, oh my god, look at
her revenge bangs and now it's her revenge dress. And
I was like, yes, the woman has I guess, more
reason ever to look hot. But she's always been a hot,
glamorous person, and I don't know if it's completely.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That absolutely, and she's always really been able to inhabit
that old Hollywood glamour. I mean, if you look at
the opening scene of Setene in Molan Rouge, it really
was a mirror of that because obviously Basloman is the
one letting her walk down the and she's kind of
in that more grace Kelly vibe old Hollywood nineteen fifties
rather than the Mulan Rouge. But it's that same she
(15:18):
gets picked up by a man on each side. She's
kind of sasheg she's got that beautiful big hair and
it is very baz the way that she's directed as
the opening of this show. But she's so good at
that vibe and she's singing.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I don't think she's singing live.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, no, I don't know about that. But yeah, everyone's
sort of like because it's this black off the shoulder
dress that she's wearing, it's been really a likened to
the very iconic Princess Diana Rovenge dress where just after
her divorce from Prince Charles had been finalized and everyone
knew that he was like had been seen Camilla Parker
bowls for such a long time, and there was this
whole idea of like, they're not gonna wait, they're gonna
(15:57):
get together straight away. And she's this sjilted woman and
then she gets out of the car in this strapless
black gown just looking like a million bucks. And even
though the dress is like in no way scandalous, I
guess it maybe was then so many decades ago, Like
now with everyone wearing like a sheer dress, you're like,
oh my god, I can't even see her boobs, Like,
it's not even that exciting.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think in terms of like royal protocol back in
the eight you know, when they broke.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
The time, it was like it was like she had
walked out in a naked dress, and so everyone's kind
of liking that to Nicole Kimman, and it kind of
got me thinking around how the best pr move a
woman can make in Hollywood at the moment is to
go through a divorce, but it has to go through
the divorce steps leading up to and afterwards have to
be very specific for the world to completely side with
(16:44):
her and for her to have a reinvention.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We definitely talked about this a little bit on yesterday's
show with Katie Perry. We were talking about how it's
kind of interesting how her career at the start of
the year was on shaky ground after you know, the
SpaceX launch and the backlash from her tour and her album.
But now with Justin Trudeau, we all just like love
her and it's like she's kind of had this makeover
(17:09):
and it really isn't in to sting phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, because there was a time where sort of going
through heartbreaking divorce would either paint you in two camps.
And unfortunately, it's almost like it's that whole classic Jennifer
and synthing going back that long of like that whole
kind of like poor her, like she's the victim, or
that you'd be kind of like jilted and seen as, oh, well,
why can't she can Almost like Kim Kardashiin has been
(17:34):
very villainized every time she's had a divorce, even to
an extent, Jennifer Lopez, these women who were sort of
seen to not take marriage seriously, and it's like this
idea that their careers will dip a little bit after divorce,
but now we're sort of seeing it go the other
way that if you kind of play it correctly in
the public space, it will bring you this whole extra
fandom and like layer of protection. And Katie Perry was
(17:56):
the one who was kind of tiltering on the precipice
of that that she could have gone to the villain
or she could have gone to the victim, but because
she sort of just stepped away from the scandal, started
doing these performances that people loved, and then hooked up
with this person that Justin Trudeau, who the world deemed
like a very enviable hookup. Now people are on her side. Yeah.
(18:17):
And it's interesting with Nicole Kidman that with the breakup
with her and Keith Urban, when those first stories first
came out, it came out that she was a workaholic
and she hadn't put time into their marriage and all
these things, so she could have been villainized, but instead
she's now seen as this like champion of women.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Actually quite a nice cultural shift in media because if
you think about the way that older woman and I'm
not saying that Katie Perry is old, I am saying
she's an older woman, and even Nicole Kidman, who's a
little bit older, she's got teenage kids. Thirty forty years ago,
women in that point in life, if they were left
(18:56):
quote unquote left by their husband, it is this, Okay,
she's a used up woman, she's got kids, she doesn't
have any value. It's quite nice to see it shifted
in another way and seeing these women have this kind
of renaissance of sexuality, sensuality, romance, love, Like it's really
lovely to see that from women in this kind of
(19:20):
second part of their life. I don't want to say,
like I don't want it to sound like I'm say.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
These women are going out to Passta. That is not
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What I mean is the way that the media typically
would have reported on this twenty years ago, particularly like
the two thousands, would have been quite negative because that's
the way women were perceived. I mean, all you have
to do is look at the way that women in
the eighties were shown on television, like the Golden Girls
were in their fifties and they all looked like they
(19:47):
were eighty years old because of the way women were portrayed.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, exactly. And another example that we're seeing recently is
with Jessica Albert. Now, just yea. Alber is someone that
has I mean, for me personally, always been like a
huge deal ever since I watched her in Dark Angels
All that Honey. For I was yeah, and that movie too,
Dark Angels, The Teenager Honey. But she sort of stepped
away from being a movie star. And she was really
honest about the fact that she stepped away from being
(20:11):
a movie step not only because she found out the
Honest Company, which is worth over a billion dollars now,
but she said she was just so fatigued by Hollywood
because I think it was on the Fantastic Four movies
and she was trying to cry on camera because her
character was going through something truly horrific, and she had
a director come over to her and say, could you
just like stop crying because you don't look very pretty?
Could you kind of cry prettier and don't have any
(20:32):
tears and we'll add the tears via CGI later. So
she kind of stepped away from the spotlight for many years.
And there's so many people that I've never heard mentioned
Jessica Alba. There's so many people I've never like outlets
that would never cover her now and then in the
last few months she's become sort of like a fixture
in headlines, a fixture and comments and commentary, and it's
like she's got this whole renewed fan base and it's
(20:55):
because of her divorce. So she yeah from Cashmarria. So
they were married for seventeen years because she was like,
I'm leaving Hollywood. I hate this industry. And she married
this guy who wasn't a big celeb after being engaged
like co stars, like she was engaged to Michael Webb
from when they were on Dark Angel together and they
had these three kids, and it was meant to be
(21:15):
this kind of like Hollywood marriage that had saved her
and people saw him as this good guy. When they divorced,
he started like being photographed with a younger woman straight away,
and it's almost like she was going to fall into
that victim space. And then the next thing, she's at
an events looking gorgeous. People are talking about her business
and how smart she is, and I do sort of
hate that it has to be except for Nicole Kimment,
(21:37):
it kind of is like you, it has to be like, yeah,
you have to have a comeback relationship in order to
for the pr divorce to really work for you. But
once she started dating Daddy Ramirez, that sort of kicked
things off.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And because he was younger, it was like again a
woman taking back her power and being like being a
bit of a.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Quote unquote cougar with this younger man.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
He's gorgeous, and you know, she's sharing all these photos
of her in Byron Bay. She's shooting a movie here,
and you know, she looks amazing. People are just absolutely
loving to see her happy. It is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, so they've only this is the first time that
I've seen that she's just this week that she's shared
some photos of her on her Instagram. So she is
in Bayron Bay. She's doing all the Byron based sites,
you know, she's at the specific beach lookouts and rest. Yeah, exactly.
And it's mostly photos of her, but there is a
photo of her and Danny walking back to back and
that is kind of their relationship announcement. So she's forty four,
(22:37):
he's thirty three. I think a lot of people would
know him. He's part of the Marvel Cinematic universe. So
he was in The Falcon, The Winter Soldier, and most
recently in the Newest Captain America movie. And it's almost
like now she has this whole renewed fandom and people
have kind of decreed that she's won the divorce because
she's one with a huge company. She's the one who's
now like back in Hollywood filming thing. She's the one
(22:58):
who's hooking up with this hot young actor. And it's
kind of interesting how like all the pieces have to
align for you to have this like divorce comeback story.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, And it's fascinating that renewed interest in these men
doesn't extend to Hugh Jackman. This is something that I
would love to pick your brain about. If we look
at Hugh Jackman and the way his public persona was
for a long time was everybody loves Hugh. He's with
Deborah Lee Fanaz, They're in this great marriage. I've got
(23:28):
adopted children. He's, you know, our great Aussie bloke. I
love Hugh Jackman. He's one of the celebrities who I've
interviewed multiple times who has always been incredibly kind.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I know we've spoken about him before, but.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I do feel as though when he and Deborah Leafaness
divorced and Sutton Foster, all the sudden Foster rumors came out,
and they've also made sort of a hard launch at
a premiere this week.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Interesting though that I do feel like his particular persona
has dipped a little bit. There's been a bit more
negativity around Hugh Jackman, even though people do really like
Sutton Foster.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah extent, I feel like there's always that moment after
the divorced announcement comes out where it could tip either way.
For mostly women, it tips in the negative and for
men as well. But I think with Hugh Jackman, there
was that moment where people thought that he had, and
this is the story that has kind of come out.
No one has said this is what's happened, but obviously
like he and Debraley were very good friends with Sutton
(24:30):
Foster and her husband, and the two couples would like
go on family holidays together. And then they say the
timeline is that they were all broken art people have
said that's not true, but there was this moment where
he was seen to cheat on his wife for many years.
But I think the way that Sutton and Hugh rolled
out their relationship completely erased that and brought them back
to be this golden couple, because they had those stage
(24:51):
paparazzi photos of them walking down the street, like looking
up into each other's eyes, and they're perfectly lit and
it just looks like these photos out of this beautiful
rom com. And now they've made their red carpet debut
together and they look so happy, and I feel like
the conversation has now circled back around where it's very
in favor of them. But I don't think Hugh Jackman
was ever in kind of any danger like men in
(25:12):
Hollywood dranger.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It wasn't danger. I just noticed there was just.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
A little bit more negativity around the headlines, which we
didn't see before. Yeah, he was such a golden child,
particularly for Australiaans, but you know, Americans adore him. And
I just noticed a slight shift the tone kind of
shifted slightly in people's response to him because of those
(25:39):
allegations of cheaty.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah. I can't think of a famous man who's been
in any way kind of hindered by any sort of
divorce or breakup. And they're the ones often that have
the most horrific allegations against them, Like just think of
all the stuff that came out and Brad Peach Jolie
and that hasn't touched him, even Johnny Depp to an extent,
like a little bit, but he's now back to filming movies.
(26:01):
He's now back to doing brand deals like that won't
touch him. Even this week, as we're saying, with the
Lily Allen and David Harbor divorce and all the allegations
that have come out through her album about him, and
once the Stranger Things Pressed Tor kicks off and once
the next press tour for his new Marvel movies kick off,
and he's sort of enveloped in that safety net with
all these big celebs who will speak up for him
(26:23):
and have him on their team, and he'll have that
layer of protection, Like those divorce stories aren't going to
touch him no matter who he dates. Like he that's
the thing, Like none of these men have had redemption
through relationships, but unfortunately, like the women have to have
those relations stories.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, so sere old your old classic.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah it does. Potentially Nicole Kimmen might be the outlier
there that people won't be looking to her to have
a relationship. They'll be looking to how she looks on
a red carpet. They'll be looking to how she does
a viral press tour or how her next movie is received.
Like potentially she's the one that's risen above that. But yeah,
as much as it seemed like this brave new world,
(27:02):
it kind of is still in those old school parameters
of who you're with.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Let's just imagine that things are progressing and that we're
not big as negative from women.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But yes, you're right, it is often they do have
to be sort of tied up.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
In a relationship. But I think if anyone can do
it's Nicole. Thank you so much for listening to the
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Speaker 3 (27:47):
Bye Bye,
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Casceni Lukitch and coming up
on the show today, all the biggest stars in the
world have converged on a very fancy fashion event, but
a lot of people are not sure what it is.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We've also had some wild celebrity interactions, some wild looks
on the runway, so we're going to get into that. Plus,
there's one big pr move that every famous woman in
Hollywood is making. It does involve legal proceedings, so we
don't recommend you try it at home, but we're going
to get into that. But first, a little bit of
fun news to the day. I know this makes me
a basic bitch because I think every man and woman
(00:59):
Astraya is also listening to these songs on repeat. But
there's one thing I'm obsessed with at the moment, and
it's Olivia Dean.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I absolutely adore her. Her song is such an earworm
that many such an earworm, It just occupies so much
of my brain space at the moment. Yeah, and it's
also like when you can see when something's crossed over
(01:26):
into like true kind of pop royalty, when it's the
backing song that everyone is using at the moment for
all of their like photo dumps on Instagram video.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah. No, no, that's why it is a song because
as soon as you hear it, it like brings you to
a fun place. I've even started hearing it playing in
the shopping center and that's when I know that something
has truly crossed over to the mainstream. It's just come
out recently that Olivia Dean has made UK chart history
as the first woman ever with four songs in the
top ten. So that is a huge achievement that we
wanted to highlight.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So she's also debuted on Billboard's Top one hundred. In
the top ten, she got to number eight with Man
I Made, so that's also huge because as she's a
UK artist, crossing over into who the US is a
big deal. And also on the ARIA charts she's done
really well. And I also found out that she's actually
playing at the Arias this year.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, and I feel like that's going to be the
real big drawad card to kick that up because everyone
is trying to get Olivia Dean tickets, so when she tours,
everyone's trying to get access to her shows. And it
also comes off the back of the Art of Loving
her album sort of going up the charts, and she's
actually the first British solo female artist to claim like
these two different chart topping titles since Adele, so everyone's
(02:38):
now kind of calling her the next Adele.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
She's only twenty six. She's born in nineteen ninety nine,
which is really wild to me.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So the Art of Loving this is her sophomore album,
so her second album, and then MESSI I Believe was.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Her first album.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
She's kind of been on the scene since twenty twenty one.
I didn't really know about her.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Until this year. I'm not that cool. I know you
said that you had a sister who had vanced so
I this is so bad of me.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
This happens to me a lot where I'll see someone
I remember going to like like a concert in Newcastle
like fifteen years ago and watching this performer, Lady Gaga,
beyond stage everyone was and everyone was like talking and
no one was paying, and no one was paying attention
to her. Yeah, and I was watching her being like,
I just feel like this girl is going to be
(03:22):
big and not that that like Olivia Dean when I
saw her the earlier this year, it was already a
big star, but I wasn't cool enough to know who
she is. I just feel like I'm so across TV,
I'm so across film, and I love music, but I'm
just not across who the cool people are. But I
remember my sister saying that she was going she had
bought tickets to a festival specifically to see Olivia Dean
earlier this year. And we're the exact same person, except
(03:45):
she's a doctor and I'm a podcaster. I just imagine
if I was your doctor with this energy. Okay, she's
saw across live music that she had a chapel her
own birthday party like five years ago. Oh yeah, no,
I'm kind of no, I'm not that cool either. And
I remember calling her after I had been to this
showcase that I got invited to where all these different
artists came out on stage and the last one was
a girl called Olivia Dean and I knew who she was, Like,
(04:06):
I'm not completely stupid. It was this year, but I
wasn't across sort of all of her songs, and she
came out and she was like so excited to be there,
and she's like, thank you all so much for coming,
and I was like, it's literally our pleasure, Like I
feel like people are trying to get tickets to you,
and just watching her thing was just like mesmerizing, Like
I did have that feeling that I was watching a
superstar who would soon be selling out arenas, having this
(04:26):
opportunity to watch her in a room with fifty people
and be just standing by the stage just watching her.
And then she was just walking through the crowd afterwards
and being really smiling and happy, and I remember trying
to think to myself, like, just remember this because in
a few years, this is going to be a story
that you tell.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, it's quite nice to see her sort of on
the precipice of really exploding, and we're seeing that with
all these records that she's breaking. You know, she's going
into the US market and to the Australian market, the
UK market, like she is about to go huge, and
it couldn't happen to a nicer person. She looks so sweet,
she's got the most beautiful little face.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't want that to sound patronizing.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
She's just she's She's a gorgeous, lovely, warm energy to her.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And one of the reasons I wanted to bring this
up is that I feel like with music, it's a
very much thing like if you didn't know straight away,
then you shouldn't know. Like I feel like some people
can be like, oh, but she's on her second album,
Oh she's two Astralia before this kind of thing like
getting into her music now as she becomes a bigger celeb,
can sometimes see like you're coming to the party too late,
or that if you didn't like someone from the moment
(05:30):
that music came out, then you don't deserve to like
them now. And I think sometimes there's this weird ownership
over music. So I just want to say, if you
want of those people out there who has literally heard
her name today, it's okay if you like her music
and to be like discovering her so many years later.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, I mean, we're not.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
We don't have to be as pretentious as some certain
radio networks that you have a very particular vibe about them,
where you know you have.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
To know about it.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But if you didn't know about them the moment that
first single came out that if there.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Were real music stops, I'm not a music stub I
will listen to We both love a bit of musical
theater or not.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah exactly. So I feel like I spend so much
time listening to Broadway that sometimes I forget the young
and pop stars. But anyway, you were.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Too deep and wicked to worry about all of you.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It's I've only come around just now.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So over the weekend, Vogue World had their Hollywood Fashion
show at Paramount Picture Studios in California. Now, this has
probably been all over your feeds. You've seen the footage,
you've seen the videos of you know, Miley Cyrus and
Haley Baber, and I know a lot of you are
asking what the hell it is, But let's just enjoy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
What the show is doing before we go into that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Because the reason I love this so much, this particular show,
is because of how it blended Hollywood history with that fashion.
And it's one of my favorite things in the world
is seeing like old Hollywood costume pieces and seeing fashion
as art.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I know that sounds a bit, you know, but
I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's just like a piece of little Hollywood history and
film history. So we had some really great moments and
it looked like probably one of the funnest fashion show
I've ever seen. And that is proof when you see
like people like Hailey Bieber and Miley Cyrus sitting together
and the entire show.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Hey Bieber, who is usually quite stoic when she's.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
At a fashion show, she's got her fashion look on,
you know, or she's walking the runway. The whole show,
all of the clips of her, she's laughing, giggling, chatting
to Miley Cyrus. They're both wearing these like leather get ups,
and it was just so joyful to see her like
so happy.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
It took me a second to realize that was Miley Cyrus.
When Hailey Bieber, she's the last one to be seen
in that front row, she comes along and then they
have that interaction, and it took me a second because
Miley Cyrus is in the full get up like face
covered gloves, to figure out who it was. Then they
said something to each other.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Right, yeah, I think Miley says to Hailey of all people,
which I think is probably said.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
In like a jesting kind of way like, oh god, not.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You Are they friendly?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It looks like they're quite friendly.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They honestly, all of the clips of them, they are
chatting really animatedly and happily the entire time. And that
was something that was quite unique about this particular show
is that there were a lot of celebs that both
on and off the runway. So you know, Doja Cat
performed and this like Tina Turner inspired look. We had
(08:26):
Gracie Abrams perform as well, which was really sweet, and
Elizabeth Debicki was on the runway. We had Kendall Jenna
on the runway in this like Setine outfit. So there's
a huge amount of stars actually on the runway. But
then we're seeing like someone like Ada Wintur, you know,
the head of Vogue, also laughing and bopping to Dojah Cat.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Did you see her doing that?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean the thing is Adam Winter is
like she is no one for being very stoic, but
when she is at an event and she's enjoying herself,
she also will like you see her laughing, like she's
got her celeb friends that she like engages with when
she sees something on the runway, like she'll have a
big reaction to it, like she's not always sitting there
with an angry face.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
No, And I didn't mean it in like a way
that she's angry.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It was just that it was so nice to see
these people who are usually a little bit more stone,
just with massive smiles and just like so much joy.
When I saw the photos and videos of Hailey Bieber,
I was like, she just looked really happy, and I
was like, you look really lovely and happy, and it
just looked like.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So much fun.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The other moment that I really loved is Gwydeth Poutrow
was also there. Now, one of her more iconic characters
is the Royal ten and Bounds character Margo Tennenbaum.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Now, if you can't.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Bring that to you at the top of your mind,
it's Wes Anderson's very very famous movie.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Where she's wearing that sort of brown fur coat.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
She's got this really severe blonde bob with a fringe,
and it's just like a pretty iconic character. Lots of
people use it. For Halloween. One of the models is
walking down in that outfit. Someone pans across to Gwyneth
Paltrow and she's pissing herself laughing. And again, it must
be so strange to see costume that you've been wearing
(10:11):
on film in front of you, like Nicole Kidman, you know,
seeing Setine, the Setine costume right in front of her.
It's just an It would be quite sort of an
odd experience, I think as a performer. Yeah, absolutely so,
this particular Vogue World Hollywood. They've done this for three
years now, but last year they did it at Plasmndome
in Paris, and then I think the first year was
(10:34):
in New York. So this particular one was called Vogue
World Hollywood, and I was celebrating the rich conversation between
film and fashion, centering on the most inspiring characters in
cinema history. And it was opened by bas Lehman and
Nicole Kidman, and you know bas Lehmon's they go, this
is't a normal fashion show. This is supposed to be
(10:54):
a good time, and it really looked like a great time.
We also had some great nods to different performers and
really really iconic characters on film and TV. One of
the really great ones was Hunting Schaefer in the original
Orlando costume. This Shakespeare's Orlando yeah, and you know, she's
(11:18):
really embodying this character walking down the runway. In this
original piece, we had Gwyneth Paltrow in one of Quentin
Tarantino's from Once upon a Time in Hollywood. We're Teana
Taylor in like the MC universe black panther outfits.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It was just a really fun time.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
If you get a chance to watch the whole thing,
definitely head to the Vogue website and check it out
because it is really entertaining as far as a fashion
show goes.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's very entertaining.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But yuess also it's like a fashion celebrity kind of spectacle.
I guess the end of the day, it's like a
marketing exercise for Vogue. It's so funny because I listened
to so many podcasts that cross over between fashion and
pop culture music, and so they're like hosted by fashion journalists,
and even then when they've been talking about Vogue World
this week, they're just like, what kind of is it?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's not for the public, I guess unless you watch it.
I don't know if you can buy like a general
admission tickets or anything like that, or it is no. No,
Vogue wouldn't have any ref raff in there should they
That's fair enough. It's more just like I guess for
the celebrity spectacle and the costumes and all of that
sort of stuff, But I guess it's just kind of
like it's just the Vogue brand. Like it's so funny,
how like, no matter what happens in the world or
(12:24):
no matter what they stand for, like every celebritios sees
Vogue as like the pinnacle of what they want to
still like be involved with, which is so interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, and you know, they obviously had quite a few
big sponsors there. I think like eBay was a sponsor.
Cynthia Rivo was there with eBay. They had like the
US Chase Bank was a big sponsor, And obviously these
brands want to be associated with Vogue. It's like the
Vogue Fashion Night Out that we have here, which is
a shopping brand.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Obviously it's not shopping.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Necessarily, but you're right, it's just a marketing exercise. But
for someone who really likes the history of fashion, I
found it really interesting because I do think fashion as
a general rule is such a moment in timearticularly Hollywood films,
where there's so many iconic clothes and pieces that really
(13:17):
make cinema.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It gave me a bit of a kick to see
it all on a runway like that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Absolutely, Well, speaking of Vogue World, there was one other
part of that whole spectacle that has got people talking
and that we purposely didn't yes yes, because there's a
whole bigger story there. So it was Nicole Kidman sasheting
down the runway in looking like an absolute bombshell, seriously,
(13:45):
like very old kind of Hollywood, with the big hair,
the strapless black gown, and that's the photo that's going
viral for many reasons, and a lot of that is
linked to not just the fact that she looked gorgeous,
not just the fact that she was there with Basloman,
who was a very long term collaborator with her. Did
mul and Rouge together, Australia together.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
All of these kind of like iconic roles, and they've
been long term friends for a long time, so those
pictures were around, but it was really the photos of
Nicole sasheing down the runway. You can see she gets
this huge reaction from the audience and people are calling
the dress that she's wearing her revenge dress, her revenge
against Keith Irban after their divorce.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And I also just wanted to point out in something
that I did notice is remember how a few weeks
ago we were talking about her bangs and everyone was like,
oh my god, she's cut bangs.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's her divorce bags.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I was like, it was clearly just a piece, like
we say, because she did have them exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And I just feel like, I wonder how long this
is going to go on for We've had a few
more monthsters because everyone's like, oh my god, look at
her revenge bangs and now it's her revenge dress. And
I was like, yes, the woman has I guess, more
reason ever to look hot. But she's always been a hot,
glamorous person, and I don't know if it's completely.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That absolutely, and she's always really been able to inhabit
that old Hollywood glamour. I mean, if you look at
the opening scene of Setene in Molan Rouge, it really
was a mirror of that because obviously Basloman is the
one letting her walk down the and she's kind of
in that more grace Kelly vibe old Hollywood nineteen fifties
rather than the Mulan Rouge. But it's that same she
(15:18):
gets picked up by a man on each side. She's
kind of sasheg she's got that beautiful big hair and
it is very baz the way that she's directed as
the opening of this show. But she's so good at
that vibe and she's singing.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I don't think she's singing live.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, no, I don't know about that. But yeah, everyone's
sort of like because it's this black off the shoulder
dress that she's wearing, it's been really a likened to
the very iconic Princess Diana Rovenge dress where just after
her divorce from Prince Charles had been finalized and everyone
knew that he was like had been seen Camilla Parker
bowls for such a long time, and there was this
whole idea of like, they're not gonna wait, they're gonna
(15:57):
get together straight away. And she's this sjilted woman and
then she gets out of the car in this strapless
black gown just looking like a million bucks. And even
though the dress is like in no way scandalous, I
guess it maybe was then so many decades ago, Like
now with everyone wearing like a sheer dress, you're like,
oh my god, I can't even see her boobs, Like,
it's not even that exciting.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think in terms of like royal protocol back in
the eight you know, when they broke.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
The time, it was like it was like she had
walked out in a naked dress, and so everyone's kind
of liking that to Nicole Kimman, and it kind of
got me thinking around how the best pr move a
woman can make in Hollywood at the moment is to
go through a divorce, but it has to go through
the divorce steps leading up to and afterwards have to
be very specific for the world to completely side with
(16:44):
her and for her to have a reinvention.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We definitely talked about this a little bit on yesterday's
show with Katie Perry. We were talking about how it's
kind of interesting how her career at the start of
the year was on shaky ground after you know, the
SpaceX launch and the backlash from her tour and her album.
But now with Justin Trudeau, we all just like love
her and it's like she's kind of had this makeover
(17:09):
and it really isn't in to sting phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, because there was a time where sort of going
through heartbreaking divorce would either paint you in two camps.
And unfortunately, it's almost like it's that whole classic Jennifer
and synthing going back that long of like that whole
kind of like poor her, like she's the victim, or
that you'd be kind of like jilted and seen as, oh, well,
why can't she can Almost like Kim Kardashiin has been
(17:34):
very villainized every time she's had a divorce, even to
an extent, Jennifer Lopez, these women who were sort of
seen to not take marriage seriously, and it's like this
idea that their careers will dip a little bit after divorce,
but now we're sort of seeing it go the other
way that if you kind of play it correctly in
the public space, it will bring you this whole extra
fandom and like layer of protection. And Katie Perry was
(17:56):
the one who was kind of tiltering on the precipice
of that that she could have gone to the villain
or she could have gone to the victim, but because
she sort of just stepped away from the scandal, started
doing these performances that people loved, and then hooked up
with this person that Justin Trudeau, who the world deemed
like a very enviable hookup. Now people are on her side. Yeah.
(18:17):
And it's interesting with Nicole Kidman that with the breakup
with her and Keith Urban, when those first stories first
came out, it came out that she was a workaholic
and she hadn't put time into their marriage and all
these things, so she could have been villainized, but instead
she's now seen as this like champion of women.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Actually quite a nice cultural shift in media because if
you think about the way that older woman and I'm
not saying that Katie Perry is old, I am saying
she's an older woman, and even Nicole Kidman, who's a
little bit older, she's got teenage kids. Thirty forty years ago,
women in that point in life, if they were left
(18:56):
quote unquote left by their husband, it is this, Okay,
she's a used up woman, she's got kids, she doesn't
have any value. It's quite nice to see it shifted
in another way and seeing these women have this kind
of renaissance of sexuality, sensuality, romance, love, Like it's really
lovely to see that from women in this kind of
(19:20):
second part of their life. I don't want to say,
like I don't want it to sound like I'm say.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
These women are going out to Passta. That is not
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What I mean is the way that the media typically
would have reported on this twenty years ago, particularly like
the two thousands, would have been quite negative because that's
the way women were perceived. I mean, all you have
to do is look at the way that women in
the eighties were shown on television, like the Golden Girls
were in their fifties and they all looked like they
(19:47):
were eighty years old because of the way women were portrayed.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, exactly. And another example that we're seeing recently is
with Jessica Albert. Now, just yea. Alber is someone that
has I mean, for me personally, always been like a
huge deal ever since I watched her in Dark Angels
All that Honey. For I was yeah, and that movie too,
Dark Angels, The Teenager Honey. But she sort of stepped
away from being a movie star. And she was really
honest about the fact that she stepped away from being
(20:11):
a movie step not only because she found out the
Honest Company, which is worth over a billion dollars now,
but she said she was just so fatigued by Hollywood
because I think it was on the Fantastic Four movies
and she was trying to cry on camera because her
character was going through something truly horrific, and she had
a director come over to her and say, could you
just like stop crying because you don't look very pretty?
Could you kind of cry prettier and don't have any
(20:32):
tears and we'll add the tears via CGI later. So
she kind of stepped away from the spotlight for many years.
And there's so many people that I've never heard mentioned
Jessica Alba. There's so many people I've never like outlets
that would never cover her now and then in the
last few months she's become sort of like a fixture
in headlines, a fixture and comments and commentary, and it's
like she's got this whole renewed fan base and it's
(20:55):
because of her divorce. So she yeah from Cashmarria. So
they were married for seventeen years because she was like,
I'm leaving Hollywood. I hate this industry. And she married
this guy who wasn't a big celeb after being engaged
like co stars, like she was engaged to Michael Webb
from when they were on Dark Angel together and they
had these three kids, and it was meant to be
(21:15):
this kind of like Hollywood marriage that had saved her
and people saw him as this good guy. When they divorced,
he started like being photographed with a younger woman straight away,
and it's almost like she was going to fall into
that victim space. And then the next thing, she's at
an events looking gorgeous. People are talking about her business
and how smart she is, and I do sort of
hate that it has to be except for Nicole Kimment,
(21:37):
it kind of is like you, it has to be like, yeah,
you have to have a comeback relationship in order to
for the pr divorce to really work for you. But
once she started dating Daddy Ramirez, that sort of kicked
things off.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And because he was younger, it was like again a
woman taking back her power and being like being a
bit of a.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Quote unquote cougar with this younger man.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
He's gorgeous, and you know, she's sharing all these photos
of her in Byron Bay. She's shooting a movie here,
and you know, she looks amazing. People are just absolutely
loving to see her happy. It is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, so they've only this is the first time that
I've seen that she's just this week that she's shared
some photos of her on her Instagram. So she is
in Bayron Bay. She's doing all the Byron based sites,
you know, she's at the specific beach lookouts and rest. Yeah, exactly.
And it's mostly photos of her, but there is a
photo of her and Danny walking back to back and
that is kind of their relationship announcement. So she's forty four,
(22:37):
he's thirty three. I think a lot of people would
know him. He's part of the Marvel Cinematic universe. So
he was in The Falcon, The Winter Soldier, and most
recently in the Newest Captain America movie. And it's almost
like now she has this whole renewed fandom and people
have kind of decreed that she's won the divorce because
she's one with a huge company. She's the one who's
now like back in Hollywood filming thing. She's the one
(22:58):
who's hooking up with this hot young actor. And it's
kind of interesting how like all the pieces have to
align for you to have this like divorce comeback story.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, And it's fascinating that renewed interest in these men
doesn't extend to Hugh Jackman. This is something that I
would love to pick your brain about. If we look
at Hugh Jackman and the way his public persona was
for a long time was everybody loves Hugh. He's with
Deborah Lee Fanaz, They're in this great marriage. I've got
(23:28):
adopted children. He's, you know, our great Aussie bloke. I
love Hugh Jackman. He's one of the celebrities who I've
interviewed multiple times who has always been incredibly kind.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I know we've spoken about him before, but.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I do feel as though when he and Deborah Leafaness
divorced and Sutton Foster, all the sudden Foster rumors came out,
and they've also made sort of a hard launch at
a premiere this week.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Interesting though that I do feel like his particular persona
has dipped a little bit. There's been a bit more
negativity around Hugh Jackman, even though people do really like
Sutton Foster.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah extent, I feel like there's always that moment after
the divorced announcement comes out where it could tip either way.
For mostly women, it tips in the negative and for
men as well. But I think with Hugh Jackman, there
was that moment where people thought that he had, and
this is the story that has kind of come out.
No one has said this is what's happened, but obviously
like he and Debraley were very good friends with Sutton
(24:30):
Foster and her husband, and the two couples would like
go on family holidays together. And then they say the
timeline is that they were all broken art people have
said that's not true, but there was this moment where
he was seen to cheat on his wife for many years.
But I think the way that Sutton and Hugh rolled
out their relationship completely erased that and brought them back
to be this golden couple, because they had those stage
(24:51):
paparazzi photos of them walking down the street, like looking
up into each other's eyes, and they're perfectly lit and
it just looks like these photos out of this beautiful
rom com. And now they've made their red carpet debut
together and they look so happy, and I feel like
the conversation has now circled back around where it's very
in favor of them. But I don't think Hugh Jackman
was ever in kind of any danger like men in
(25:12):
Hollywood dranger.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It wasn't danger. I just noticed there was just.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
A little bit more negativity around the headlines, which we
didn't see before. Yeah, he was such a golden child,
particularly for Australiaans, but you know, Americans adore him. And
I just noticed a slight shift the tone kind of
shifted slightly in people's response to him because of those
(25:39):
allegations of cheaty.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah. I can't think of a famous man who's been
in any way kind of hindered by any sort of
divorce or breakup. And they're the ones often that have
the most horrific allegations against them, Like just think of
all the stuff that came out and Brad Peach Jolie
and that hasn't touched him, even Johnny Depp to an extent,
like a little bit, but he's now back to filming movies.
(26:01):
He's now back to doing brand deals like that won't
touch him. Even this week, as we're saying, with the
Lily Allen and David Harbor divorce and all the allegations
that have come out through her album about him, and
once the Stranger Things Pressed Tor kicks off and once
the next press tour for his new Marvel movies kick off,
and he's sort of enveloped in that safety net with
all these big celebs who will speak up for him
(26:23):
and have him on their team, and he'll have that
layer of protection, Like those divorce stories aren't going to
touch him no matter who he dates. Like he that's
the thing, Like none of these men have had redemption
through relationships, but unfortunately, like the women have to have
those relations stories.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, so sere old your old classic.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah it does. Potentially Nicole Kimmen might be the outlier
there that people won't be looking to her to have
a relationship. They'll be looking to how she looks on
a red carpet. They'll be looking to how she does
a viral press tour or how her next movie is received.
Like potentially she's the one that's risen above that. But yeah,
as much as it seemed like this brave new world,
(27:02):
it kind of is still in those old school parameters
of who you're with.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Let's just imagine that things are progressing and that we're
not big as negative from women.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But yes, you're right, it is often they do have
to be sort of tied up.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
In a relationship. But I think if anyone can do
it's Nicole. Thank you so much for listening to the
Spill Today.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
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Speaker 3 (27:47):
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