June 19, 2025 • 35 mins
On the show today, Megan Fox and MGK have finally confirmed their baby daughter’s name, and we just have some gentle feedback/ questions.
And Sza and Chappel Roan have come together for a truly chaotic interview, which inspired a truly chaotic chat between our hosts. Plus, Chapple Roan shared some very vulnerable thoughts that we never expected to hear from her.
Here is the hilarious ep where we discussed Chappell Roan that we mentioned.
Here is Chappell Roan and SZA's unhinged interview with Interview we discussed if you want to read the whole thing.
Plus, the new season of Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders has landed on Netflix, now it’s time for us to give our very honest (and spoiler-free) review. A whole lot of extra drama happened behind the scenes this year, so allow us to tell you exactly what to watch out for.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm
Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I'm m Venom coming up on the show today. Also,
we love a cameo by m Vela.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Hello, I'm actually very excited because I have a big
day today.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Oh what else? Is just just been hanging out with
me on the pod or something else? It's not me?
Is it? It's not me.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's never the first time I have a little date
and you're not there, going to the f one movie?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh with my dad? Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, I mostly look forward to your dad's reviews because,
as you know, your mom and I have a really
similar movie taste. So it's usually Evelyn and I like
in the trenches with our reviews. So I'm really interested
to show what your dad man is.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The exact same as me.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I did say when we were talking about Brad
Pitt's Craziness the other day, as I love that episode.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I had so many feelings. Guys addressed all of them.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Because that's what you're going to see tonight Brad Pitt's
new movie, usually known is the f One Movie.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, and it's I have complicated feelings going into it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, I know, I wasn't trying to skew what you
were saying, like skew your view of the movie. So
you go and just think of it your own way.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I mean, it's critiques here, so I will be yes critical.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes, oh god, I know, I know. We'll stay tuned
fans completely unbiased review of that movie that I'm sadly
not going to.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But I was invited. I got my tickets away.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Your sister's here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yes. Personal tip. Now we've got all of our family.
I've talked about our family.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's just our personal I'd mean, guys, talk among yourselves
till we get that sorted. Coming up to the show today,
a truly chaotic interview between two musical superstars that It's
been a while since I've read an interview like this,
But I was just like, what the hell is going on?
But also you feel completely like a fly on the walls.
We're gonna get into that because you have notes y
plus one of the biggest TV shows of the last
(02:12):
few years.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Dunda.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's like a Dallas is here in the room with
us right now?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Can you do the dance?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'd love to see you try, Not that you couldn't,
I'm not judging you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Maybe I should start the hardest part in the work backwards.
I'll start with the jump split, sure, and then work
my way through the high kicks and the power, starting
with it's all about power, right, Yeah, that's what they say,
it's all about power.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think we need a little bit more than that
to get through some vodkas. But yes, we have a
full review on that coming today. No spoilers, but just
our thoughts on the season, because holy hell, this season
is so much darker than expected. But first, some interesting
baby news line.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Congratulations machine gun Kelly.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Doesn't mean he doesn't like to be called that anymore.
So he's just MGK. Now I want to get that email. Yeah,
I didn't cross your desk. He doesn't like to be
called machine gun Kelly anymore because of the gun reference,
which is actually quite nice there, So now he just
goes by MGK. He's a family man now, he is, well,
he has he's always been, he's been for a while.
He yes, he has many children now, so Megan Fox
(03:22):
and Machine Gun Kelly have been together for many years.
When they first got together, their love burned hot and
bright and fast. One of my favorite celebrity love stories.
Don't you reckon what? Just because it was so batshit crazy,
like I loved everything.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I guess as a journalist it was a favorite, but
strong what we do here? Anything else?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, no, just it was a crutch grab that did
it for me.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I couldn't Yeah, look, I can't get I can't get
behind making out in public bathrooms, Like that's just a
little bit gross.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And I have like the blood thing, yes, but she has.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
A really good defense of that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, she thinks that it is so weird that we
think it's disgusting that they have a tiny little vial
of each other's blood and it's on call her daddy.
She says, it's the kind of quote and she's like,
and you're gonna go off and like suck off some
random in a bar and have his come in your
mouth and even buy you a nice drink, And that's
so disgusting, And you'd go and do that, no one
would judge you. But I can't have a little bit
(04:18):
of my like soulmate's blood in a beautiful necklace, and
I was like, fair col girl fairs were weird.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I'm glad. Anyway, their love burned hot and bright.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They got engaged with a ring that remember if she
took it off, it would hurt her her engagement ring.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Again, I think that was a little bit built up.
I think that was just them trying to be like,
you know, interesting on Instagram, which.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Always never the only thing they've been trying to do
on Instagram. Yeah, be interesting. It's worked.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And then yes, and they had a very on and
off relationship. I actually thought at the stage where this
news came out that they were off, like they're in
the off part of their relationship, and she did say
like we're still working things out, but we're always going
to be in each other's lives. Then she announced she
was pregnant with a little girl, and there was like
you know, and they were very excited about it. And
the little girl has been born and we finally know
(05:04):
her name.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
What is her name?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Okay, So I just want to set the same how
it was announced, So it was MGK put up a
video of him playing the ukulele to the baby.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's cute. Don't frown, Emily, Okay, no, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And in the catch underneath it said Saga Blade Fox Baker.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Oh why is he telling us his Netflix password?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I mean, yeah, no one's going to crack that. Just
add a little exclamation mark and on like a two
at the end or something so that no one will
crack it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Saga, what is it? Wait? Saga Blade. So there's a reason, so.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We don't know each name in that big name have meaning.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So Saga is the first name of the little girl,
and Blade is her second name.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And then that Saga because this is like not their
first child. So they're showing us.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, they haven't officially said, but sources close to the
couple and I do believe this is probably true, have
said the name Saga, which means story or tale, really felt.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So much.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean there might be people out there who don't know.
I don't know, really felt right. Then it's a new
chapter full of meaning. And hope that's a bit cute.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's quite nice.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's a bit interesting to name your child because what
I hear is like, we're literally cementing our separation with
this child's name.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's why as soon as I heard it, I was like, well,
their relationship has been a saga. It's been a saga
for the ages, and apparently.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They want this child to remember that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They just like, to this child, you have added a
lot of drama to our lives. So I mean that's nice.
I mean I always love when celebrities give their children
weird names, because these children live in a weird world
with other weirdly named children. So I think it's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
They're the only people who are allowed to do it.
And then the thing is is, if you're a celebrity
and you give your child a weird name, you owe
it to that child to continue to be famous, because
the minute you drop down our celebrityism, they become an
everyday they can't we can't have a saga amongst us.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No, we can't have a saga here in the kitchen,
and someone being like, oh, like, Saga's next time getting
her eyebrows done, Saga's booked the meeting room. Can someone
change that, Saga's left her water bottle in the kitchen,
Can someone go tell her?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
We can't have that here.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's also quite a like negative name.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh no, I don't think that well.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I love that it means I personally like the name
story for a girl better, but I think it means
the same thing story you always.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Say, like if someone's being a bit much and it's like, oh,
EM's come in and this whole stuck.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
She's got such a saga. Oh yeah, I guess so maybe.
But also you're right that you have to be continue
to be very famous and rich to live up to
your child's name.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
But you need Apple Martin.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yes, but at least Apple and Moses both have kind
of the Martin children both have kind of different names,
whereas like Machine and Kelly sorry MGK, MGK, Colson Baker
his real name.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
His oldest daughter is Cassie. Yeah, that's a nice name, lovely.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And then Meghan's other sons that she shares with Brian
Ustin Green from nine two one O Fame Noah, very
normal name. Body also very normal name, especially in kel America. Yeah, yeah,
very Meg and Journey. So we're kind of getting Journey
saga feel like they're going to be.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
A little bit left out of the kids table.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You could tell she was like, has she got to?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Body?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Has she got to?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm enjoying this interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, she's like, I'm touched the water. It's warm.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I'm going to clean right in and go for a
weird baby name. It's going to keep getting progressively worse.
So they haven't actually said what Blade means, but as
a little deep dive, this is some deep law on
their backstory. In a twenty twenty one GQ couple's interview,
MGK was asked by a producer in the interview to
confirm that he doesn't have a middle name, and Meghan said,
(08:45):
can I guess what your middle name will be?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Blade?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And so I think that's they've carried.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That little done on this.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, I've got all the facts on this child. O.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So Saga Blade and then Fox Baker. Yes, their last names,
which is actually a beautiful last name.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What Baker Fox Baker. I love it. Yeah, I love what.
We're on board with that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, now that we've have the first part of our
podcast critiquing this child's name, it's a better movie. It's
not the best use of our time. But anyway, little Saga,
I can't wait till she's like walking. The MTV Award
wrote carpet or something.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Look at that saga.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
The saga should be the name of a podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh that's great, we'll keep you updated. We'll probably still
be here.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Okay. So I came across an interview in Interview Magazine.
And we've talked about Interview Magazine a lot because they
have very unique interviewing styles where basically they just print
and publish the entire transcript of every interview they do,
and usually it will be a journalist interviewing a celebrity,
or they do a lot of celebrities on celebrities. My
(09:48):
favorite interview by them was when Donald Glover interviewed Donald Glover.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh, yeah, that was a great one, and he asked.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Himself, are you and Phoebe Wallerbridge still friends? And he
said the fine friendship. And it was just back.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And forth between himself because she walked away from them,
he worked away. I loved when Rihanna was interviewed by
the editor of Interview Magazine who used to work with her,
just yelled at him the whole time.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Shut up now, shut up now.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And the thing is is like, it's so unique that
they just print every time. Yeah, there's hardly any edits.
And I was really excited for this one because it
was two of my favorite singers two of our favorite singers,
Chapel Rone interviewing Scissa.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
The Dream Combo The Dream Combo.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I was so excited. The photos of Scissor because it
was her interview, were beautiful. I was like, Oh my god,
both of these are massive Grammy winners, like they've just
like shot up into stardom. Everyone knows them, everyone loves them.
It's going to be such a good interview. I spoke
way too soon. This interview is one of the most
chaotic things I have ever read. I as I was
(10:48):
reading this, I was like, oh my god, the editors
at Interview mag I'm gonna deeply regret this because it's
just it's as if like you're interviewing a girl who's
like you're peer and you're both just really big fan
girls of each other, and it becomes like this is
like this conversation that you would hear over drinks rather
(11:08):
than like an actual juicy interview. And I was like,
oh my god, these guys are gonna hate it. But
they were talking about it, so I guess it kind
of did it's job.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, No, that's exactly what's supposed to be. It's meant
to be, like you're you've dropping on a phone call
because they were doing it over the phone. You usually
get them in the same room, but they're both busy
and tearing, so get them over the phone. And it
honestly just feels like they forgot that the world was
going to hear it. Not because they're dropping like salacious
information about like other famous people or anything, just because
they got on such a crazy tangent.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So funny.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So I'm going to do a quick little recap, yeah,
of the interview. I've pulled out my favorite quotes. Okay,
So first question, Chapel asks Scissor, do you believe in fairies?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So important?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And that kind of just sets the tone for the
whole so.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Important and not not. Can I just I'm going to
put my journalists hat on for one second. I was
a bit annoyed at Chapel when she's like, so, I
just get asked the same question all the time. I've
done some research to Scissor, so here's what I'm going
to ask you. And I was like, if I walked
into an interview and asked you if fairies real, your
publicist would make me leave.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So don't say that we're not doing.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Our jobs when you have free to ask you about
fairy free creative rain here.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Also, your publicists get mad and we'd probably get fired.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yes, if I came back to work with that, So
I'm just saying I would have because I have a
lot of thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do you think fairies are real? Can I just say,
don't say?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You can't if you say, ever say the word fairies
aren't like out loud? Did you know a fairy dies?
This is the information they didn't have in there, and
you have to clap to you have to clap instantly
to bring them back to life. Okay, you didn't say it,
so I'm just saying, don't mess around with that, Emily.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It's not a joke.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Okay, that's from the original Peter Pan story that was
written hundreds of years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well things anyway, they're talking about fairies. I didn't bring
it up. I don't know why you're so weird.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I wish we swapped roles.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
This is so funny.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I was like, it's just like I wasn't even gonna
spend time on the fairy.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I thought that was the main part of the interview.
They went for so long on that they did. You
haven't answer, but that's fine, But like I said.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Don't scissors like answer was chapel ass do you believe
in fairies? And sister said I do. For a while,
I was like, am I fae? True Blood really did
a number on me? Same girl, you're also a big
fan of Buffy, I.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Know, don't even talk about that. How did that make me? Actually?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Can I just say all jokes asiede, I have never
related to a celebrity as much as I related to
Scissor in this piece, because I for a long time
and I still do again, I'm not going to say
that out loud, but you know, fairies, fay folklore, True
Blood also messed me up. Plus she names the biggest
TV shows that kind of shaped her as Xena Warrior,
Princess Hercules and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and they obviously
(13:52):
Buffy the Vampire Slayer best show of all time, but
Xena and Hercules like growing up me and Scissor our life.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Imagine the interview you could have with Sissor.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh we would? I mean that would have been way weirder.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Maybe she could be on the spill I would, I
would be behind the camera.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's an open invitation, but it would just be we
wouldn't talk about musical superstar and white thing. We would
just talk about the intricacies of like the Xena plotline
and yeah, and how the Hercules world bled into that,
and then obviously Buffy and then fairies. She even talks
about summoning a kasher at one stage, and I was like,
he was a very ancient vampire.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I was all lit on that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh my god, Okay, I'm glad you talked about the
fairy stuff because I literally glazed over that completely.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You and might I look for very different things in
an interview.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Sissa is very woo wu. Yeah, and if you didn't
know that about her, you would find this interview so
jarring because I think it is a huge contrast between
her music and like the brand she puts out there
for the public, versus which actually talks about when I
went to the first time I realized she was woo
wu was when I went to her first concert in Australia,
which was years ago. I think the second concert was
(14:54):
sometime last year, but the first one was years ago.
And at the end of her concert she just made
us false and in silence and do some meditation.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
She started just going.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And it's just like everyone now and then we all
just and it was a moshpit.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We're all standing up like starting, Oh sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That sounds like a girl that was raised on Zena
and true Blood and fairy books.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's so funny.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
She also talked about Lizzo about how she met Lizzo
through like a natural connection.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
She's very wooo. She said.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
The other day, I went to Lizzo's house. My tummy
was hurting because I ate too much, and she gave
me a mew meal and we just laid in the
yard and did nothing, and I was like, Yeah, this
is what the fuck friendship is about.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That's actually so true.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Again, Sissa the most relatable celebrity because everyone has these
friends that you're like, we can go meet for dinner,
we can go to an event, but all you really
want as you get older is a friend to come
lie on the couch with you or lie in the
backout with you. Because that's like a very.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
She briefly talked about the Bible and Howard's witchy but
not witchcraft.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah. I think she's really true. She saved herself there.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
She really backtracked there.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
The Bible is witchy.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's so true, and no one's been brave enough to
say it until now.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The ogi witch.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Okay, this is the part that I feel like everyone
was like, Okay, now we've got something. Now we've got something.
So Chapel actually opened up first about how hard it
was to be hated not for your art before the
person who people think you are, and she said, I
didn't care about backlash until people started hating me for
me and not my art. When it comes to my art,
(16:31):
I'm like, bitch, you can think whatever you want, but
when it comes to me and my personality, it's like, damn,
am I the most insufferable bitch of our generation? And
then Sissa jumps in and she's like, no, because if
you are, then I really am.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I really do be crying.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That's so interesting because like Chapel has become like that
person where now you see headlines from her, and I
think a lot of people kind of aral and be
like oh. She complains that everything she does want to
go here. She doesn't want fans to talk to her,
she does want to be the Grammys. She does want
to do this. She yells at photographers like and I
always just thought that that she just didn't care or
she quite liked that everyone was like, she is so
(17:10):
kind of separate from this, that she's just her own
person So to hear that, and obviously that's a very
human thing, but to hear that she's actually upset that
people dislike her core personality, or at least the personality
that we're getting to see through like the snippets and headlines,
it's like quite.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Interesting, It is really interesting. But to be fair, like
I felt the same way towards Chatter, because I felt
like I did see what her personality is like outside
of her brand when she would like post all those
tiktoks about talking and obviously she wasn't a time where
she was so terrified, and we talked about it on
the Spill. We'll link that episode in that show notes
where we talked about how she was at that part
(17:47):
of Celebritism where she was getting so so famous but
also didn't have like the security and stuff so like
her actual I think with celebrities when they like shoot
up into stardom, that doesn't necessarily reflect that they can
afford that lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, it takes a while for the infrastructure around
them really to catch up in terms of having like, yeah,
like a full security team or just having like that
web setup where it's like we can take you from
like the private plane to the hotel to the jet,
like you'd have that sort of stuff and you know,
sort of looking after them like you'd have that sort
of stuff if you're like officially on tour. But where
she was getting like harassed in the street was when
(18:23):
she was walking from her apartment to the shops and
all that sort of thing, because which I am on
her side about that, people coming up and grabbing you
and screaming your faces a lot.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, And I think because she probably didn't have like
the big pr setup for that, she had to herself
go on her own TikTok and talk about like stop
stalking me, like it's really really scary. And I think
that gave allowance to people to kind of dig in
on her personality because she was able to show that
vulnerable side of her. So I kind of agree, like
it would have been such a bad time. And I
(18:51):
now think she has stepped away from the spotlight in
terms of her personal branding and it's just like focusing
on music and things like that. But this entire interview
is just like two friends catching up, even though they
said they haven't probably met yeoh, but I feel like
they're both in very similar stages of their career where
they have a core group of diehard fans I've had
for such a long time, and now they've just exploded
(19:13):
in the world and so many people know who they are.
And will put a link to the whole interview on
our show notes because if you want to laugh, it
is just so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So good, And if anyone wants to talk about fairy law,
please reach out.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Please reach out to either LB or scissor.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, and both of us together, we would love to
keep this conversation going.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So rarely gets brought up on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Okay, so the brand new season of Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders
has just dropped. We're a part of each other's lives forever.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know what, we're going to do each other's wedding.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You're like, when we make this team, we're gonna make
it together because we're such good friends.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But them, it doesn't always end up like that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
We are really excited that there's a lot of new girls.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Every year.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
The talent just gets better and better.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And better. We've always been told there's one hundred more girls.
I would love to do this job.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Everyone's gonna say, well, they're just cheerleaders. We were really
good cheerleaders.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, but it worked coughs and I was so excited.
And it only dropped last night and I only have
two more episodes to watch. I literally binge the whole
thing from like I think five to ten PM because
it's like an hour long episode.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and there's seven of them. But also I would
have watched twenty. So did you watch all of them?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I've watched all of it twice, not last night, not
last night. That crazy No, No, Netflix gave us the
screen is sorry, you should have given my time.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I should give you my name. That's what I read. No,
I no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
But also we couldn't talk about it because Netflix also
have an embargo and so you're not allowed to review
it until it actually comes out. So but yeah, in
the last week or so, I've been full DCC in
my home. Well, I just sat down one night to
watch it, just the first couple of episodes, and I
started them quite late. I'm like, oh, I watch the
rest tomorrow, and I ended up binging it all the
way through till two AM only because the last couple
(21:08):
of episodes in particular get very dark. So this season
said obviously, like when the first season of Dallas Cowboys
Cheerleaders came out, it became this huge worldwide hit. They'd
had a TV show for about eight years or so
on like a smaller network in the US called Making
the Team, which was chronicling like the you know, audition
process to get into Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. It's super upsetting
(21:30):
to watch, so I don't really recommend. Yeah, I've said
this before, but it makes Top Model look like an
inclusive space where like hugs are given out.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It's looks so brutal.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, and we're the tone difference between Making the Team
and this one.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, I think it's because the Netflix team and the
documentary team that work on this are trying to show
a different It's not meant to be that old school
kind of like women getting embarrassed on TV, even though
we see that. It's trying to show a more kind
of like holistic look at this huge organization, all the
people who are part of it. So season one introduced
a lot of people around the world to this team,
and you followed them from their auditions right through to
(22:06):
the final game. And like the uniform, they bring their
uniforms in a rota them This season follows a really
similar tract, although they've just auditioned. I do believe for
this new team, all the auditions are happening at the
moment for the new Dallas Cowboys team for the year ahead.
And this season that we're watching is from like the
past year.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So there's a lot of things we already knew.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Because you know, we've been seeing it on socials and
videos and stuff for a year. So we knew that
Kelly Valares and Charlie Barbie, who were two big faces
in the first season and were cut at the end.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
No after Kelly dyed a hair for it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I know that was so top one code. But also,
she looks way better as a brunette. Does look good.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
But I feel an unpopular opinion. Oh what, I think
all women look better as brunettes.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Really, yeah, all the blonde women in the world.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
No, I think I think all natural blondes look better.
I'm like, A, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Know, No, she's naturally a brunette.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
This is Yeah, that's what I mean. I think like,
and this is me as well, because I also dye
my hair, but I think everyone looks best in their
natural hair.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Well that's what again, this is definitely a hair dresses
podcast now, because that's what a lot of hairstyles say,
is that you should only go one shade lighter or
darker than your original otherwise you just completely like mess
with your features.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh I should have just said it that way. Yes,
that sounds so much more professional. I was like, all
women should just stick to their natural hair.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, don't diet. It's weird, very anti feminist. That's obviously
a joke. So that, Yeah, they went through the whole
like Kelly went brunette. That was a huge storyline. It
was kind of hard for Charlie because last year she
came in and they were and she was doing her
dance routine to get through the finals, and all the
judges were like, oh, we got a tidy we can
tidy her up a bit, like she's so messy looking
(23:46):
and like I'm just looking at this beautiful woman dancing
with this beautiful long, cascading red hair. And then when
she and Kelly came in this year, they critiqued their
looks again, but with a Kelly like she's up there
dancing and doing this beautiful solo. And one of the
male judges, who I don't know if he's the boot
maker or the meteorologist, all those men with jobs that
(24:06):
have nothing to do with cheerleading come in and give
their critiques.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And then so passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, and he was like, she needs a makeover, and
Kelly's like, she's how to makeover. And I was like,
to think of Kelly watching this back. So they make
the team this time, yeah, which was really lovely. I
don't usually get emotional in these things, but and I
also have just thoughts of whether these women should be
doing this at all. But when Kelly and Charlie, like
when they were announced they had made the team, they
(24:32):
both just started sobbing emotional and like.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Their parents were sobbing on the phone, and both of
them because they got cut in the first season. Even
the video footage of them watching the first season and
just like absolutely just literally watching each other get berated
basically was just so heartbreaking. Also, we did see a
little snippet of this, I guess one of the biggest
(24:57):
stars of the first season, Victoria Yes, who kind of
left and decided she didn't want to do this whole
process again, and she goes to New York to become
a roquette. And what I found really interesting is that
her mum, who was an ex Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and
so she's a legacy, her mom said that her sisters
didn't do the job, which is like all the rookies
(25:18):
apparently are meant to like stay together and stay in
the sisterhood and push each other up and take care
of each other when you don't make it. And I
think they alluded to the fact that she wasn't well liked. Yes,
and we also saw it in season one that she
didn't really have any close friends.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That was the interesting thing about season two is that
they often reference the TV show, like they referenced season
one and how big it's become, to the point where
at some stages they played clips of famous people, like
they played the clip of Chrissy Teagan doing the doing
Thunderstruck and what Will Farrell saying in interviews like have
you seen the DCC show? It's incredible, So it's fascinating
(25:55):
all this sort of thing. And then you also see
the girls watching the first season, and it's really telling
that there's a whole bunch of girls with all their
partners and they're watching it together and screaming and laughing
and like clapping because they're loving it. And then it
cuts to Victoria who said that she walked out after
the first episode. So don't know if she was in
the room with those girls or she was like out
of viewing or something, but she said that she just
(26:17):
couldn't watch it. It was too upsetting for her. And
then also that storyline carries on with Kelly who's the director,
and Judy who's the head choreographer, who are both cheerleaders themselves,
and Kelly and Victoria's mum were in the same class
together and really close friends, and they have a similar
situation this year where one of the assistant choreographers, her daughter, Dayton,
(26:39):
is auditioning, and it's really hard to watch because she
first all just over six years ago and she still
had it made the team. There was all this pressure
on her because her mum is like in there, you know,
like choreographing the dancers and everything. And you see Kelly
and Judy have this little side chat where they go
they're talking about whether or not to cut her, and
they're like, we don't want another Tina situation. And Tina
is Victoria's mother, so I think they're not friends anymore
(27:02):
after all of that has blown up.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So you'll see you can catch on to that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So you're seeing all that drama from the first season
and the fact that they're so famous come into the
second season.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Also about their pay, Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
The pay is a big thing. Which I actually loved
about this season is that you actually see the girls
more on a personal level. And I feel like in
season one it did a bit of a disservice to
like show the girls beyond their looks and their motions.
Oh okay, And I think season two really honed in
(27:33):
on like these are really smart women, and we kind
of got a glimpse at it with like Aneesia, Like
we saw like they all had to do so many
different jobs, like you were a dentist, Like they had
to work part time just because they couldn't afford to
just be a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. And I think that
was the biggest takeaway from season one that everyone was
talking about how these women have to go through these
(27:56):
excruciating processes about like not just their performance as a dancer,
but also how they look like, what they eat, like,
what injections they have, like how they're like hair color,
what they like, body looks like, what they fit into,
if they're smiling at the right time, if they're like
looking sassy at the right time, and just like so
(28:17):
such little things like if they get an appointment slightly wrong,
they get absolutely slammed for it. Yeah, And the biggest
takeaway was like they're actually not getting paid that much,
so why are they going through this whole process? And
it's kind of that like scale of like, well, they
want to be there. This is like a huge deal
for them. They do this for free if they wanted to,
versus Like, this is crazy how they're cheerleaders for one
(28:41):
of the biggest football clubs in America where all the
players are literally on millions and millions of dollars, where
the mascot of that team is getting paid more than
the cheerleaders, Like what the hell is going on here?
And I think a big plot line for this season
is a lot of the veteran cheerleaders, which are the
cheerleaders who have been a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader for years
(29:03):
like more than two years. A few of them, like
I think it was five of them, got together and
they decided to kind of, I guess union in like
an informal way and tell each other that when we
get our contracts, we need to fight and ask for
bigger pay because they go through this whole big process
at the weeks and weeks and weeks, and only at
the end of it, after they've been told that they're
(29:24):
Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, that's when they get the contract. And
there's no real time to the kind of negotiate a
contract because you actually don't know when you're going to
get cut in that process. So it's quite intense. And
The New York Times did an interview with Jada McLean
and they stated that roughly for this season of Dallas
Cowboys Cheerleaders, the chileiads were able to negotiate a four
(29:46):
hundred percent pay rise from the previous season, and Jada
told the Times that in twenty twenty four, her fifth
year with the squad, so they haven't actually released what
the actual increase is, but she did say that she
had made fifteen dollars an hour and five hundred dollars
for each appearance and then that compensation varies based on experience,
(30:09):
but with the inn increased wages, she said that they
could be making up to seventy five dollars an hour,
So Dallas Cowboys haven't actually released the amount, but that
was kind of what they were negotiating.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, that's so interesting and how that kind of is
like the story thread all the way through and obviously
it's still know any of the players, but Jada does
say at one stage in the and she's very much
one of the big stars of the series, and it's
like so interesting to watch her in her final year,
and she does say like I won't get to experience this,
but I'm so glad, like I helped to make this change,
and also like that's life changing money for a lot
(30:43):
of people, which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's so interesting also.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Watching that story thread of the show of them talking
about the public reaction, like there's all this footage of
the girls and this new doco being like the world
is telling us to ask for all more money, Like
the world is so shocked. I feel like it kind
of woke a few of them up to be like, oh,
this is really crazy. But then it does kind of
I actually find a season a lot darker than the
first season. A lot more I found like the first season,
(31:07):
maybe because it was like about a lot of the
side story lies were recent, like you know, her lovely partner,
like their cutely little love story, and that was so
light and cute, and then Kelsey getting engaged to her partner,
and that was really light and cute. Obviously, like victorious
storyline was in anyone that was like a little bit darker,
but she herself is so bubbly and bright and always
dressed in pink and stuff that it didn't seem as intense,
(31:30):
and there were those darker moments. But I find that
season two, especially towards the end, which I know you
haven't watched last few episodes, and I'm not gonna spoil
it for anyone, but this is why I watched it
till two am, because I was about to turn it off,
and all of a sudden, they started doing these big
cliffhangers because all this stuff happens so like when they're
having the pay meetings, like the cheerleaders are having these
secret pay meetings, and the reason that that doesn't go ahead,
(31:52):
and it all dissipates and they don't do the walkout
is because and you don't find out who this person is.
But someone on the team went to the head Cowboys
people and told what was happening and also potentially like
shared the video of the meeting that they had taken.
There's also like quite an intense you don't see anything
but one of the cheerleaders, one of the main girls
in this season, talking about domestic violence and stalking, and
(32:14):
that's quite intense. Also, I didn't even know the Dallas
Cowboys Cheerleaders existed till this documentary came out, just because
it's not a big thing for me in Australia, even
though I know that they've been super famous for many,
many years. But because I watched so much of the
show all during the year, like news stories or videos
or like tiktoks around what was happening in real time
would pop up. And there were two kind of big
(32:35):
scandals in the last year of Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. And
one is that like the lead girl captain went missing
for a few games and people were just like shocked
and like where is she? Like all the message boards
and like all the social pages, like.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Where is she? Where is she? Where is she? That
gets answered in the documentary of what happened and like
what unfolded? Yeah, yeah exactly, because what I.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Found really interesting, which is they talked about right at
the beginning, is that they said that in the past
five years, this year had the most spots to fill
in from rookies. Yes, And it was like, it's really
interesting how the show premiered last year and now suddenly
so many veterans don't want to come back as cheerleaders,
like they had the biggest amount of spots available.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah. I mean I think also a lot of those
veterans they had all there on their fifth year, and
this is like unspoken thing, even though there's a girl
in that season five year done. Yeah, so I think
a lot of them did leave after five. But yeah,
you could be right, there could be some sort of
like something they're kind of tilting it because the.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Fact that they said we haven't had this in five years.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, because they have the yes,
so many rookies. Although Shandy, who's one of the lead girls,
was there for her six years, it was like it
can be done her And then along with that other mystery,
there was also one of the lead girls who was
promoted to a top spot towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Also then mysteriously like left the team and wasn't in
any of the end of team year photos or anything
like that, and you find out exactly what happened. And
all I'm going to say is just two words official investigation.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh my god, I know it's real. I was, yeah,
I was just watching it.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's like two am, and I was like, well, I
can't turn it off now when they've just been like
this cuts to them, they go one this all expenses
paid trip, and it cuts to them in the bus
driving to the game, and they're all just like looking down,
so shocked and sad, and they're like, something happened to
the Bahamas. We obviously I'm not sleeping tonight. Yeah, it's
really good TV.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And now I have to go back home.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, sorry, clucking off.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders all seven episodes. I wish it
was more than seven.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
No, I would have watched fifteen episodes, not a round number.
At least eight. Yeah, and yeah, it's so worth watching.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And then also then you'll just want to go and
google what all the girls are doing now and what
the fallout was from all of this drama. So yeah,
really good TV you get to watched them pretty dancing,
but also yeah, the behind the scenes stories are wild.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Saying thank you so much for listening to the Spill
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Speaker 1 (35:09):
Bye bye
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Thatllll it ll it
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm
Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I'm m Venom coming up on the show today. Also,
we love a cameo by m Vela.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Hello, I'm actually very excited because I have a big
day today.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Oh what else? Is just just been hanging out with
me on the pod or something else? It's not me?
Is it? It's not me.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's never the first time I have a little date
and you're not there, going to the f one movie?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh with my dad? Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, I mostly look forward to your dad's reviews because,
as you know, your mom and I have a really
similar movie taste. So it's usually Evelyn and I like
in the trenches with our reviews. So I'm really interested
to show what your dad man is.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The exact same as me.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I did say when we were talking about Brad
Pitt's Craziness the other day, as I love that episode.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I had so many feelings. Guys addressed all of them.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Because that's what you're going to see tonight Brad Pitt's
new movie, usually known is the f One Movie.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, and it's I have complicated feelings going into it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, I know, I wasn't trying to skew what you
were saying, like skew your view of the movie. So
you go and just think of it your own way.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I mean, it's critiques here, so I will be yes critical.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes, oh god, I know, I know. We'll stay tuned
fans completely unbiased review of that movie that I'm sadly
not going to.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But I was invited. I got my tickets away.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Your sister's here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yes. Personal tip. Now we've got all of our family.
I've talked about our family.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's just our personal I'd mean, guys, talk among yourselves
till we get that sorted. Coming up to the show today,
a truly chaotic interview between two musical superstars that It's
been a while since I've read an interview like this,
But I was just like, what the hell is going on?
But also you feel completely like a fly on the walls.
We're gonna get into that because you have notes y
plus one of the biggest TV shows of the last
(02:12):
few years.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Dunda.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's like a Dallas is here in the room with
us right now?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Can you do the dance?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'd love to see you try, Not that you couldn't,
I'm not judging you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Maybe I should start the hardest part in the work backwards.
I'll start with the jump split, sure, and then work
my way through the high kicks and the power, starting
with it's all about power, right, Yeah, that's what they say,
it's all about power.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think we need a little bit more than that
to get through some vodkas. But yes, we have a
full review on that coming today. No spoilers, but just
our thoughts on the season, because holy hell, this season
is so much darker than expected. But first, some interesting
baby news line.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Congratulations machine gun Kelly.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Doesn't mean he doesn't like to be called that anymore.
So he's just MGK. Now I want to get that email. Yeah,
I didn't cross your desk. He doesn't like to be
called machine gun Kelly anymore because of the gun reference,
which is actually quite nice there, So now he just
goes by MGK. He's a family man now, he is, well,
he has he's always been, he's been for a while.
He yes, he has many children now, so Megan Fox
(03:22):
and Machine Gun Kelly have been together for many years.
When they first got together, their love burned hot and
bright and fast. One of my favorite celebrity love stories.
Don't you reckon what? Just because it was so batshit crazy,
like I loved everything.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I guess as a journalist it was a favorite, but
strong what we do here? Anything else?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, no, just it was a crutch grab that did
it for me.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I couldn't Yeah, look, I can't get I can't get
behind making out in public bathrooms, Like that's just a
little bit gross.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And I have like the blood thing, yes, but she has.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
A really good defense of that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, she thinks that it is so weird that we
think it's disgusting that they have a tiny little vial
of each other's blood and it's on call her daddy.
She says, it's the kind of quote and she's like,
and you're gonna go off and like suck off some
random in a bar and have his come in your
mouth and even buy you a nice drink, And that's
so disgusting, And you'd go and do that, no one
would judge you. But I can't have a little bit
(04:18):
of my like soulmate's blood in a beautiful necklace, and
I was like, fair col girl fairs were weird.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I'm glad. Anyway, their love burned hot and bright.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They got engaged with a ring that remember if she
took it off, it would hurt her her engagement ring.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Again, I think that was a little bit built up.
I think that was just them trying to be like,
you know, interesting on Instagram, which.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Always never the only thing they've been trying to do
on Instagram. Yeah, be interesting. It's worked.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And then yes, and they had a very on and
off relationship. I actually thought at the stage where this
news came out that they were off, like they're in
the off part of their relationship, and she did say
like we're still working things out, but we're always going
to be in each other's lives. Then she announced she
was pregnant with a little girl, and there was like
you know, and they were very excited about it. And
the little girl has been born and we finally know
(05:04):
her name.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
What is her name?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Okay, So I just want to set the same how
it was announced, So it was MGK put up a
video of him playing the ukulele to the baby.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's cute. Don't frown, Emily, Okay, no, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And in the catch underneath it said Saga Blade Fox Baker.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Oh why is he telling us his Netflix password?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I mean, yeah, no one's going to crack that. Just
add a little exclamation mark and on like a two
at the end or something so that no one will
crack it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Saga, what is it? Wait? Saga Blade. So there's a reason, so.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We don't know each name in that big name have meaning.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So Saga is the first name of the little girl,
and Blade is her second name.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And then that Saga because this is like not their
first child. So they're showing us.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, they haven't officially said, but sources close to the
couple and I do believe this is probably true, have
said the name Saga, which means story or tale, really felt.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So much.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean there might be people out there who don't know.
I don't know, really felt right. Then it's a new
chapter full of meaning. And hope that's a bit cute.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's quite nice.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's a bit interesting to name your child because what
I hear is like, we're literally cementing our separation with
this child's name.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's why as soon as I heard it, I was like, well,
their relationship has been a saga. It's been a saga
for the ages, and apparently.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They want this child to remember that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They just like, to this child, you have added a
lot of drama to our lives. So I mean that's nice.
I mean I always love when celebrities give their children
weird names, because these children live in a weird world
with other weirdly named children. So I think it's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
They're the only people who are allowed to do it.
And then the thing is is, if you're a celebrity
and you give your child a weird name, you owe
it to that child to continue to be famous, because
the minute you drop down our celebrityism, they become an
everyday they can't we can't have a saga amongst us.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No, we can't have a saga here in the kitchen,
and someone being like, oh, like, Saga's next time getting
her eyebrows done, Saga's booked the meeting room. Can someone
change that, Saga's left her water bottle in the kitchen,
Can someone go tell her?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
We can't have that here.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's also quite a like negative name.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh no, I don't think that well.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I love that it means I personally like the name
story for a girl better, but I think it means
the same thing story you always.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Say, like if someone's being a bit much and it's like, oh,
EM's come in and this whole stuck.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
She's got such a saga. Oh yeah, I guess so maybe.
But also you're right that you have to be continue
to be very famous and rich to live up to
your child's name.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
But you need Apple Martin.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yes, but at least Apple and Moses both have kind
of the Martin children both have kind of different names,
whereas like Machine and Kelly sorry MGK, MGK, Colson Baker
his real name.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
His oldest daughter is Cassie. Yeah, that's a nice name, lovely.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And then Meghan's other sons that she shares with Brian
Ustin Green from nine two one O Fame Noah, very
normal name. Body also very normal name, especially in kel America. Yeah, yeah,
very Meg and Journey. So we're kind of getting Journey
saga feel like they're going to be.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
A little bit left out of the kids table.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You could tell she was like, has she got to?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Body?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Has she got to?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm enjoying this interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, she's like, I'm touched the water. It's warm.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I'm going to clean right in and go for a
weird baby name. It's going to keep getting progressively worse.
So they haven't actually said what Blade means, but as
a little deep dive, this is some deep law on
their backstory. In a twenty twenty one GQ couple's interview,
MGK was asked by a producer in the interview to
confirm that he doesn't have a middle name, and Meghan said,
(08:45):
can I guess what your middle name will be?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Blade?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And so I think that's they've carried.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That little done on this.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, I've got all the facts on this child. O.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So Saga Blade and then Fox Baker. Yes, their last names,
which is actually a beautiful last name.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What Baker Fox Baker. I love it. Yeah, I love what.
We're on board with that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, now that we've have the first part of our
podcast critiquing this child's name, it's a better movie. It's
not the best use of our time. But anyway, little Saga,
I can't wait till she's like walking. The MTV Award
wrote carpet or something.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Look at that saga.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
The saga should be the name of a podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh that's great, we'll keep you updated. We'll probably still
be here.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Okay. So I came across an interview in Interview Magazine.
And we've talked about Interview Magazine a lot because they
have very unique interviewing styles where basically they just print
and publish the entire transcript of every interview they do,
and usually it will be a journalist interviewing a celebrity,
or they do a lot of celebrities on celebrities. My
(09:48):
favorite interview by them was when Donald Glover interviewed Donald Glover.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh, yeah, that was a great one, and he asked.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Himself, are you and Phoebe Wallerbridge still friends? And he
said the fine friendship. And it was just back.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And forth between himself because she walked away from them,
he worked away. I loved when Rihanna was interviewed by
the editor of Interview Magazine who used to work with her,
just yelled at him the whole time.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Shut up now, shut up now.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And the thing is is like, it's so unique that
they just print every time. Yeah, there's hardly any edits.
And I was really excited for this one because it
was two of my favorite singers two of our favorite singers,
Chapel Rone interviewing Scissa.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
The Dream Combo The Dream Combo.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I was so excited. The photos of Scissor because it
was her interview, were beautiful. I was like, Oh my god,
both of these are massive Grammy winners, like they've just
like shot up into stardom. Everyone knows them, everyone loves them.
It's going to be such a good interview. I spoke
way too soon. This interview is one of the most
chaotic things I have ever read. I as I was
(10:48):
reading this, I was like, oh my god, the editors
at Interview mag I'm gonna deeply regret this because it's
just it's as if like you're interviewing a girl who's
like you're peer and you're both just really big fan
girls of each other, and it becomes like this is
like this conversation that you would hear over drinks rather
(11:08):
than like an actual juicy interview. And I was like,
oh my god, these guys are gonna hate it. But
they were talking about it, so I guess it kind
of did it's job.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, No, that's exactly what's supposed to be. It's meant
to be, like you're you've dropping on a phone call
because they were doing it over the phone. You usually
get them in the same room, but they're both busy
and tearing, so get them over the phone. And it
honestly just feels like they forgot that the world was
going to hear it. Not because they're dropping like salacious
information about like other famous people or anything, just because
they got on such a crazy tangent.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So funny.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So I'm going to do a quick little recap, yeah,
of the interview. I've pulled out my favorite quotes. Okay,
So first question, Chapel asks Scissor, do you believe in fairies?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So important?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And that kind of just sets the tone for the
whole so.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Important and not not. Can I just I'm going to
put my journalists hat on for one second. I was
a bit annoyed at Chapel when she's like, so, I
just get asked the same question all the time. I've
done some research to Scissor, so here's what I'm going
to ask you. And I was like, if I walked
into an interview and asked you if fairies real, your
publicist would make me leave.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So don't say that we're not doing.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Our jobs when you have free to ask you about
fairy free creative rain here.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Also, your publicists get mad and we'd probably get fired.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yes, if I came back to work with that, So
I'm just saying I would have because I have a
lot of thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do you think fairies are real? Can I just say,
don't say?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You can't if you say, ever say the word fairies
aren't like out loud? Did you know a fairy dies?
This is the information they didn't have in there, and
you have to clap to you have to clap instantly
to bring them back to life. Okay, you didn't say it,
so I'm just saying, don't mess around with that, Emily.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It's not a joke.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Okay, that's from the original Peter Pan story that was
written hundreds of years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well things anyway, they're talking about fairies. I didn't bring
it up. I don't know why you're so weird.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I wish we swapped roles.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
This is so funny.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I was like, it's just like I wasn't even gonna
spend time on the fairy.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I thought that was the main part of the interview.
They went for so long on that they did. You
haven't answer, but that's fine, But like I said.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Don't scissors like answer was chapel ass do you believe
in fairies? And sister said I do. For a while,
I was like, am I fae? True Blood really did
a number on me? Same girl, you're also a big
fan of Buffy, I.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Know, don't even talk about that. How did that make me? Actually?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Can I just say all jokes asiede, I have never
related to a celebrity as much as I related to
Scissor in this piece, because I for a long time
and I still do again, I'm not going to say
that out loud, but you know, fairies, fay folklore, True
Blood also messed me up. Plus she names the biggest
TV shows that kind of shaped her as Xena Warrior,
Princess Hercules and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and they obviously
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer best show of all time, but
Xena and Hercules like growing up me and Scissor our life.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Imagine the interview you could have with Sissor.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh we would? I mean that would have been way weirder.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Maybe she could be on the spill I would, I
would be behind the camera.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's an open invitation, but it would just be we
wouldn't talk about musical superstar and white thing. We would
just talk about the intricacies of like the Xena plotline
and yeah, and how the Hercules world bled into that,
and then obviously Buffy and then fairies. She even talks
about summoning a kasher at one stage, and I was like,
he was a very ancient vampire.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I was all lit on that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh my god, Okay, I'm glad you talked about the
fairy stuff because I literally glazed over that completely.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You and might I look for very different things in
an interview.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Sissa is very woo wu. Yeah, and if you didn't
know that about her, you would find this interview so
jarring because I think it is a huge contrast between
her music and like the brand she puts out there
for the public, versus which actually talks about when I
went to the first time I realized she was woo
wu was when I went to her first concert in Australia,
which was years ago. I think the second concert was
(14:54):
sometime last year, but the first one was years ago.
And at the end of her concert she just made
us false and in silence and do some meditation.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
She started just going.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And it's just like everyone now and then we all
just and it was a moshpit.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We're all standing up like starting, Oh sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That sounds like a girl that was raised on Zena
and true Blood and fairy books.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's so funny.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
She also talked about Lizzo about how she met Lizzo
through like a natural connection.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
She's very wooo. She said.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
The other day, I went to Lizzo's house. My tummy
was hurting because I ate too much, and she gave
me a mew meal and we just laid in the
yard and did nothing, and I was like, Yeah, this
is what the fuck friendship is about.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That's actually so true.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Again, Sissa the most relatable celebrity because everyone has these
friends that you're like, we can go meet for dinner,
we can go to an event, but all you really
want as you get older is a friend to come
lie on the couch with you or lie in the
backout with you. Because that's like a very.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
She briefly talked about the Bible and Howard's witchy but
not witchcraft.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah. I think she's really true. She saved herself there.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
She really backtracked there.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
The Bible is witchy.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's so true, and no one's been brave enough to
say it until now.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The ogi witch.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Okay, this is the part that I feel like everyone
was like, Okay, now we've got something. Now we've got something.
So Chapel actually opened up first about how hard it
was to be hated not for your art before the
person who people think you are, and she said, I
didn't care about backlash until people started hating me for
me and not my art. When it comes to my art,
(16:31):
I'm like, bitch, you can think whatever you want, but
when it comes to me and my personality, it's like, damn,
am I the most insufferable bitch of our generation? And
then Sissa jumps in and she's like, no, because if
you are, then I really am.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I really do be crying.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That's so interesting because like Chapel has become like that
person where now you see headlines from her, and I
think a lot of people kind of aral and be
like oh. She complains that everything she does want to
go here. She doesn't want fans to talk to her,
she does want to be the Grammys. She does want
to do this. She yells at photographers like and I
always just thought that that she just didn't care or
she quite liked that everyone was like, she is so
(17:10):
kind of separate from this, that she's just her own
person So to hear that, and obviously that's a very
human thing, but to hear that she's actually upset that
people dislike her core personality, or at least the personality
that we're getting to see through like the snippets and headlines,
it's like quite.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Interesting, It is really interesting. But to be fair, like
I felt the same way towards Chatter, because I felt
like I did see what her personality is like outside
of her brand when she would like post all those
tiktoks about talking and obviously she wasn't a time where
she was so terrified, and we talked about it on
the Spill. We'll link that episode in that show notes
where we talked about how she was at that part
(17:47):
of Celebritism where she was getting so so famous but
also didn't have like the security and stuff so like
her actual I think with celebrities when they like shoot
up into stardom, that doesn't necessarily reflect that they can
afford that lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, it takes a while for the infrastructure around
them really to catch up in terms of having like, yeah,
like a full security team or just having like that
web setup where it's like we can take you from
like the private plane to the hotel to the jet,
like you'd have that sort of stuff and you know,
sort of looking after them like you'd have that sort
of stuff if you're like officially on tour. But where
she was getting like harassed in the street was when
(18:23):
she was walking from her apartment to the shops and
all that sort of thing, because which I am on
her side about that, people coming up and grabbing you
and screaming your faces a lot.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, And I think because she probably didn't have like
the big pr setup for that, she had to herself
go on her own TikTok and talk about like stop
stalking me, like it's really really scary. And I think
that gave allowance to people to kind of dig in
on her personality because she was able to show that
vulnerable side of her. So I kind of agree, like
it would have been such a bad time. And I
(18:51):
now think she has stepped away from the spotlight in
terms of her personal branding and it's just like focusing
on music and things like that. But this entire interview
is just like two friends catching up, even though they
said they haven't probably met yeoh, but I feel like
they're both in very similar stages of their career where
they have a core group of diehard fans I've had
for such a long time, and now they've just exploded
(19:13):
in the world and so many people know who they are.
And will put a link to the whole interview on
our show notes because if you want to laugh, it
is just so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So good, And if anyone wants to talk about fairy law,
please reach out.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Please reach out to either LB or scissor.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, and both of us together, we would love to
keep this conversation going.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So rarely gets brought up on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Okay, so the brand new season of Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders
has just dropped. We're a part of each other's lives forever.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know what, we're going to do each other's wedding.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You're like, when we make this team, we're gonna make
it together because we're such good friends.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But them, it doesn't always end up like that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
We are really excited that there's a lot of new girls.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Every year.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
The talent just gets better and better.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And better. We've always been told there's one hundred more girls.
I would love to do this job.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Everyone's gonna say, well, they're just cheerleaders. We were really
good cheerleaders.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, but it worked coughs and I was so excited.
And it only dropped last night and I only have
two more episodes to watch. I literally binge the whole
thing from like I think five to ten PM because
it's like an hour long episode.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and there's seven of them. But also I would
have watched twenty. So did you watch all of them?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I've watched all of it twice, not last night, not
last night. That crazy No, No, Netflix gave us the
screen is sorry, you should have given my time.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I should give you my name. That's what I read. No,
I no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
But also we couldn't talk about it because Netflix also
have an embargo and so you're not allowed to review
it until it actually comes out. So but yeah, in
the last week or so, I've been full DCC in
my home. Well, I just sat down one night to
watch it, just the first couple of episodes, and I
started them quite late. I'm like, oh, I watch the
rest tomorrow, and I ended up binging it all the
way through till two AM only because the last couple
(21:08):
of episodes in particular get very dark. So this season
said obviously, like when the first season of Dallas Cowboys
Cheerleaders came out, it became this huge worldwide hit. They'd
had a TV show for about eight years or so
on like a smaller network in the US called Making
the Team, which was chronicling like the you know, audition
process to get into Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. It's super upsetting
(21:30):
to watch, so I don't really recommend. Yeah, I've said
this before, but it makes Top Model look like an
inclusive space where like hugs are given out.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It's looks so brutal.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, and we're the tone difference between Making the Team
and this one.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, I think it's because the Netflix team and the
documentary team that work on this are trying to show
a different It's not meant to be that old school
kind of like women getting embarrassed on TV, even though
we see that. It's trying to show a more kind
of like holistic look at this huge organization, all the
people who are part of it. So season one introduced
a lot of people around the world to this team,
and you followed them from their auditions right through to
(22:06):
the final game. And like the uniform, they bring their
uniforms in a rota them This season follows a really
similar tract, although they've just auditioned. I do believe for
this new team, all the auditions are happening at the
moment for the new Dallas Cowboys team for the year ahead.
And this season that we're watching is from like the
past year.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So there's a lot of things we already knew.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Because you know, we've been seeing it on socials and
videos and stuff for a year. So we knew that
Kelly Valares and Charlie Barbie, who were two big faces
in the first season and were cut at the end.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
No after Kelly dyed a hair for it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I know that was so top one code. But also,
she looks way better as a brunette. Does look good.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
But I feel an unpopular opinion. Oh what, I think
all women look better as brunettes.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Really, yeah, all the blonde women in the world.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
No, I think I think all natural blondes look better.
I'm like, A, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Know, No, she's naturally a brunette.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
This is Yeah, that's what I mean. I think like,
and this is me as well, because I also dye
my hair, but I think everyone looks best in their
natural hair.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Well that's what again, this is definitely a hair dresses
podcast now, because that's what a lot of hairstyles say,
is that you should only go one shade lighter or
darker than your original otherwise you just completely like mess
with your features.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh I should have just said it that way. Yes,
that sounds so much more professional. I was like, all
women should just stick to their natural hair.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, don't diet. It's weird, very anti feminist. That's obviously
a joke. So that, Yeah, they went through the whole
like Kelly went brunette. That was a huge storyline. It
was kind of hard for Charlie because last year she
came in and they were and she was doing her
dance routine to get through the finals, and all the
judges were like, oh, we got a tidy we can
tidy her up a bit, like she's so messy looking
(23:46):
and like I'm just looking at this beautiful woman dancing
with this beautiful long, cascading red hair. And then when
she and Kelly came in this year, they critiqued their
looks again, but with a Kelly like she's up there
dancing and doing this beautiful solo. And one of the
male judges, who I don't know if he's the boot
maker or the meteorologist, all those men with jobs that
(24:06):
have nothing to do with cheerleading come in and give
their critiques.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And then so passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, and he was like, she needs a makeover, and
Kelly's like, she's how to makeover. And I was like,
to think of Kelly watching this back. So they make
the team this time, yeah, which was really lovely. I
don't usually get emotional in these things, but and I
also have just thoughts of whether these women should be
doing this at all. But when Kelly and Charlie, like
when they were announced they had made the team, they
(24:32):
both just started sobbing emotional and like.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Their parents were sobbing on the phone, and both of
them because they got cut in the first season. Even
the video footage of them watching the first season and
just like absolutely just literally watching each other get berated
basically was just so heartbreaking. Also, we did see a
little snippet of this, I guess one of the biggest
(24:57):
stars of the first season, Victoria Yes, who kind of
left and decided she didn't want to do this whole
process again, and she goes to New York to become
a roquette. And what I found really interesting is that
her mum, who was an ex Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and
so she's a legacy, her mom said that her sisters
didn't do the job, which is like all the rookies
(25:18):
apparently are meant to like stay together and stay in
the sisterhood and push each other up and take care
of each other when you don't make it. And I
think they alluded to the fact that she wasn't well liked. Yes,
and we also saw it in season one that she
didn't really have any close friends.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That was the interesting thing about season two is that
they often reference the TV show, like they referenced season
one and how big it's become, to the point where
at some stages they played clips of famous people, like
they played the clip of Chrissy Teagan doing the doing
Thunderstruck and what Will Farrell saying in interviews like have
you seen the DCC show? It's incredible, So it's fascinating
(25:55):
all this sort of thing. And then you also see
the girls watching the first season, and it's really telling
that there's a whole bunch of girls with all their
partners and they're watching it together and screaming and laughing
and like clapping because they're loving it. And then it
cuts to Victoria who said that she walked out after
the first episode. So don't know if she was in
the room with those girls or she was like out
of viewing or something, but she said that she just
(26:17):
couldn't watch it. It was too upsetting for her. And
then also that storyline carries on with Kelly who's the director,
and Judy who's the head choreographer, who are both cheerleaders themselves,
and Kelly and Victoria's mum were in the same class
together and really close friends, and they have a similar
situation this year where one of the assistant choreographers, her daughter, Dayton,
(26:39):
is auditioning, and it's really hard to watch because she
first all just over six years ago and she still
had it made the team. There was all this pressure
on her because her mum is like in there, you know,
like choreographing the dancers and everything. And you see Kelly
and Judy have this little side chat where they go
they're talking about whether or not to cut her, and
they're like, we don't want another Tina situation. And Tina
is Victoria's mother, so I think they're not friends anymore
(27:02):
after all of that has blown up.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So you'll see you can catch on to that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So you're seeing all that drama from the first season
and the fact that they're so famous come into the
second season.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Also about their pay, Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
The pay is a big thing. Which I actually loved
about this season is that you actually see the girls
more on a personal level. And I feel like in
season one it did a bit of a disservice to
like show the girls beyond their looks and their motions.
Oh okay, And I think season two really honed in
(27:33):
on like these are really smart women, and we kind
of got a glimpse at it with like Aneesia, Like
we saw like they all had to do so many
different jobs, like you were a dentist, Like they had
to work part time just because they couldn't afford to
just be a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. And I think that
was the biggest takeaway from season one that everyone was
talking about how these women have to go through these
(27:56):
excruciating processes about like not just their performance as a dancer,
but also how they look like, what they eat, like,
what injections they have, like how they're like hair color,
what they like, body looks like, what they fit into,
if they're smiling at the right time, if they're like
looking sassy at the right time, and just like so
(28:17):
such little things like if they get an appointment slightly wrong,
they get absolutely slammed for it. Yeah, And the biggest
takeaway was like they're actually not getting paid that much,
so why are they going through this whole process? And
it's kind of that like scale of like, well, they
want to be there. This is like a huge deal
for them. They do this for free if they wanted to,
versus Like, this is crazy how they're cheerleaders for one
(28:41):
of the biggest football clubs in America where all the
players are literally on millions and millions of dollars, where
the mascot of that team is getting paid more than
the cheerleaders, Like what the hell is going on here?
And I think a big plot line for this season
is a lot of the veteran cheerleaders, which are the
cheerleaders who have been a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader for years
(29:03):
like more than two years. A few of them, like
I think it was five of them, got together and
they decided to kind of, I guess union in like
an informal way and tell each other that when we
get our contracts, we need to fight and ask for
bigger pay because they go through this whole big process
at the weeks and weeks and weeks, and only at
the end of it, after they've been told that they're
(29:24):
Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, that's when they get the contract. And
there's no real time to the kind of negotiate a
contract because you actually don't know when you're going to
get cut in that process. So it's quite intense. And
The New York Times did an interview with Jada McLean
and they stated that roughly for this season of Dallas
Cowboys Cheerleaders, the chileiads were able to negotiate a four
(29:46):
hundred percent pay rise from the previous season, and Jada
told the Times that in twenty twenty four, her fifth
year with the squad, so they haven't actually released what
the actual increase is, but she did say that she
had made fifteen dollars an hour and five hundred dollars
for each appearance and then that compensation varies based on experience,
(30:09):
but with the inn increased wages, she said that they
could be making up to seventy five dollars an hour,
So Dallas Cowboys haven't actually released the amount, but that
was kind of what they were negotiating.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, that's so interesting and how that kind of is
like the story thread all the way through and obviously
it's still know any of the players, but Jada does
say at one stage in the and she's very much
one of the big stars of the series, and it's
like so interesting to watch her in her final year,
and she does say like I won't get to experience this,
but I'm so glad, like I helped to make this change,
and also like that's life changing money for a lot
(30:43):
of people, which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's so interesting also.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Watching that story thread of the show of them talking
about the public reaction, like there's all this footage of
the girls and this new doco being like the world
is telling us to ask for all more money, Like
the world is so shocked. I feel like it kind
of woke a few of them up to be like, oh,
this is really crazy. But then it does kind of
I actually find a season a lot darker than the
first season. A lot more I found like the first season,
(31:07):
maybe because it was like about a lot of the
side story lies were recent, like you know, her lovely partner,
like their cutely little love story, and that was so
light and cute, and then Kelsey getting engaged to her partner,
and that was really light and cute. Obviously, like victorious
storyline was in anyone that was like a little bit darker,
but she herself is so bubbly and bright and always
dressed in pink and stuff that it didn't seem as intense,
(31:30):
and there were those darker moments. But I find that
season two, especially towards the end, which I know you
haven't watched last few episodes, and I'm not gonna spoil
it for anyone, but this is why I watched it
till two am, because I was about to turn it off,
and all of a sudden, they started doing these big
cliffhangers because all this stuff happens so like when they're
having the pay meetings, like the cheerleaders are having these
secret pay meetings, and the reason that that doesn't go ahead,
(31:52):
and it all dissipates and they don't do the walkout
is because and you don't find out who this person is.
But someone on the team went to the head Cowboys
people and told what was happening and also potentially like
shared the video of the meeting that they had taken.
There's also like quite an intense you don't see anything
but one of the cheerleaders, one of the main girls
in this season, talking about domestic violence and stalking, and
(32:14):
that's quite intense. Also, I didn't even know the Dallas
Cowboys Cheerleaders existed till this documentary came out, just because
it's not a big thing for me in Australia, even
though I know that they've been super famous for many,
many years. But because I watched so much of the
show all during the year, like news stories or videos
or like tiktoks around what was happening in real time
would pop up. And there were two kind of big
(32:35):
scandals in the last year of Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. And
one is that like the lead girl captain went missing
for a few games and people were just like shocked
and like where is she? Like all the message boards
and like all the social pages, like.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Where is she? Where is she? Where is she? That
gets answered in the documentary of what happened and like
what unfolded? Yeah, yeah exactly, because what I.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Found really interesting, which is they talked about right at
the beginning, is that they said that in the past
five years, this year had the most spots to fill
in from rookies. Yes, And it was like, it's really
interesting how the show premiered last year and now suddenly
so many veterans don't want to come back as cheerleaders,
like they had the biggest amount of spots available.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah. I mean I think also a lot of those
veterans they had all there on their fifth year, and
this is like unspoken thing, even though there's a girl
in that season five year done. Yeah, so I think
a lot of them did leave after five. But yeah,
you could be right, there could be some sort of
like something they're kind of tilting it because the.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Fact that they said we haven't had this in five years.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, because they have the yes,
so many rookies. Although Shandy, who's one of the lead girls,
was there for her six years, it was like it
can be done her And then along with that other mystery,
there was also one of the lead girls who was
promoted to a top spot towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Also then mysteriously like left the team and wasn't in
any of the end of team year photos or anything
like that, and you find out exactly what happened. And
all I'm going to say is just two words official investigation.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh my god, I know it's real. I was, yeah,
I was just watching it.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's like two am, and I was like, well, I
can't turn it off now when they've just been like
this cuts to them, they go one this all expenses
paid trip, and it cuts to them in the bus
driving to the game, and they're all just like looking down,
so shocked and sad, and they're like, something happened to
the Bahamas. We obviously I'm not sleeping tonight. Yeah, it's
really good TV.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And now I have to go back home.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, sorry, clucking off.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders all seven episodes. I wish it
was more than seven.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
No, I would have watched fifteen episodes, not a round number.
At least eight. Yeah, and yeah, it's so worth watching.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And then also then you'll just want to go and
google what all the girls are doing now and what
the fallout was from all of this drama. So yeah,
really good TV you get to watched them pretty dancing,
but also yeah, the behind the scenes stories are wild.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Saying thank you so much for listening to the Spill
today and do not forget to follow us on TikTok
at the Spill podcast. The Spill is produced by Mansia
Sir and which sound production by Scott Strounik momum Maas
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Speaker 1 (35:09):
Bye bye
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Thatllll it ll it
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