October 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck were looking very in love on a red carpet recently, but before you get too excited, we need to tell you what was really going on.
Plus, Prince William gave a very surprising interview to a beloved Hollywood celeb that was clearly trying to change our image of him (and it might have worked on Em…), so we need to unpack exactly what happened, starting with his questionable electric scooter use.
And Hilaria Baldwin is back in the spotlight in a huge way, appearing on Dancing With The Stars and taking part in tell-all interviews, and she is still clinging to the (alleged) lie that she is Spanish. So what has led to this most recent grift? Well, we need to talk about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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here I am. I'm so exed to YouTube to see.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Don't look.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
There was always a debate about the hair before we start.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We don't include the spillers in because I just don't
know if they'd be interested in that, or maybe you
guys would let us know.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think because we do it every single day, it's
been a bit boring for us. But I'm a feeling
of spillers might enjoy that little bt yes moment.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh okay, well, stay tuned, Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Maybe the video producer Michael can decide maybe we'll start gossiping.
While we do that, we can put that up on
stories and people can have a little insight. Hair is
not the topic of this show today, would you believe?
Unless you want to you beauty is recording in the
studio next to us, next to us, so you could
do a crossover. We just tap on the window between
us and be like, can you guys give us some hairtaps,
give us some haird tips?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Please?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But coming up on the show today, Prince William has
given a very revealing and surprising interview that young Emily
here was quite flawed by it. So you're going to
take us through the biggest moments of that.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yes, I will.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Plus, I'm not laughing, it's not funny.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Ilaria Baldwin Laddia, our favorite Spanish superstar, has also given
a very revealing and surprising interview that we're going to
delve into. Plus this week she had a bit of
a heartbreaking moment on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
She had a big week.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, she's had a huge week. The American show that
Astoria has become obsessed with. We're going to unpack all that.
But first, Emily, this week you saw some photos that
traumatized you.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yes, traumatize This is a very intense word.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I'm for this moment.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I did see some videos and some short clips I
want to say of two very very famous people on
a red carpet that I didn't think I'd ever see
together again. I am talking about Jennifer Lopez or also
known as Jalo you might know her and Ben Affleck. Yes,
my favorite couple and then ex'es and then couple and
(02:18):
then ex's trope. They are currently in the excess phase
of their relationship, and yet they were spotted together on
a red carpet at what I'm assuming is a movie premiere,
because I know they did a lot of work together
when they were together, and they're kind of cuddling, They're
smiling at each other, he's whispering in her ear. They're
looking very very happy together. But I don't want to
(02:42):
get my hopes up.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, look, I definitely wouldn't get your hopes up at
this stage.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Do you think they're friends?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Do you think exes can be friends?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think excess you have to go on a very
public red carpet and post together can definitely look like friends.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The reason I think they're friends is that Jennifer Lopez
has been seen taking his kids out shopping recently, well
in the last few months recently, but definitely since they're divorced.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
What she was their stepmom for like over a year.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So you break up with someone and you still have
to look after their kids.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, maybe she had promised Samuel that she would take
him to a specific shop or something.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Like when kids are involved, it's a bit more, you know,
it's a bit more layered. But yes, they were together
at the premiere of Kiss of the Spider Woman, which
is the new Are you.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Laughing at that?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's funny. Then it was a very famous what a
Spider Woman?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
She's like the stut and it sounds like she's playing
a woman who is a spider but unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Like Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Now it's like Supergirl. It's not in the same universe
as Spider Man. Would you believe it?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It was a very famous book, and then it became
a famous Broadway play and it has been a movie
as well that I think came out in nineteen eighty five.
That was four I was born, So what do I know?
And now they've remade it again for the big screen, right,
And it's about two I think it's two prisoners in
a cell together and one of them is telling his
friend about his favorite musical and star and that is
(03:59):
Jennifer Lopez being the Spider Woman. So like that it
like cuts to her doing this musical again. I haven't
seen the movie yet. I don't how they've interpret it, but
that is the crux of the situation. But she was
sending yeah, yeah, she loves the theme dressing.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
We love that for her.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So she was doing like Dakota Johnson from Madame Webb
or Zendeia from the Spider Man franchise, where she was
doing these beautiful coature gowns, but they had a bit
of a spider spider layering to them. So yes, well
she and Ben were married. Well, obviously he produced the
music video to the album she wrote about him. You
know when she was in the glass tower and the
hummingbird cracked it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, huge, Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
My god, I forgot so much about this relationship. Now,
we did so much together the little time they had so.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Much together in the time they were married. I don't
think they had time to actually be at home or
be married because they were just making her album, making
the movie that went with her album.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Gaining those news let the subscribers.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, exactly, getting married twice.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Then they made that other movie with Matt Damon, that
one that came out just after their divorce was announced.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Ben Affleck didn't go to that premiere.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
But Matt Damon had to console Jaylen.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, you can see the photos from the after party
where he's holding her hand and she's like explaining to him,
and that was in the depths of their breakup.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I feel like every friendship there's a Matt and a Ben. Yeah,
there's the one who goes off and breaks hearts and
does whatever they want and has a really good time,
and then there's the other person who picks up the pieces.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, of the fallout.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I'm a Ben.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh, you're a Ben. Sadly, I feel like I'm a Matt.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think you're a Mat.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I think that's why we get along so well.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I think you're a really great Matt.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
For me, it always happens to answer we get along
so well, is that when we are the Matt Damon.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't think, no, absolutely not. You need those You
need a balance. Yeah, you need a balance of the
two of them. So yes.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
The reason they we're at this premiere is that Ben
and Matt's production company produce The Kiss of a Spider
Woman and starring Jennifer Lopez, and even though she says
she's not going for an Oscar, it is widely believed
to be her big oscar push.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
The Spider Woman. Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, because it's going to be like a big dramatic
performance based on a book, based on a play, and
you're dramatic.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They're going to start leaning more into the X's friendship
trope because that would help.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The movie potentially. I mean, did get everyone talking about it.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I watched those little clips that were like two seconds longs.
I probably watched them like eighteen times, really, And what
did you deduce from that? You think they're getting back together.
I think it's more of like me wanting them to
get back together, so I keep watching it, and also
me trying to find hints of like love between them,
which I'm sure they obviously have because they've been together
for so long and then together again. But I think
(06:38):
it's more just like I just fall for it, Like
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Falling for it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess when.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They broke up the first time over twenty years ago,
and I think obviously that was seemed, at least to
their public eye, seems like a bigger deal, and they
were not pictured together ever after that, but obviously now
because the kids are involved, member, how when they first
they got divorced the second time, this time around, and
then it was spotted after that going to lunch. I
think it was a Chateau my Mont where they were, yes,
and he.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Was holding the Duncan donuts dream yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Always always. We love a man who was always on breath.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
He looked less sad in those photos.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And they went into lunch and they had all their
kids and there was photos of them and they were
hanging out, and since then they had.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Jennifer Gannah had to pick them up.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
He's spotted with Jennifer Gannah just as much as he's
spoted with Jennifer Lupez, which I guess is fair because
they're all just friendly excesses.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Just friendly excesses.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
They're always hanging out together, which I think they kind
of have to. Here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I don't think they're getting back together now at all.
They literally like the income.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That mean a.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Third wedding wouldn't hurt No, no, no, a third wedding would
be lovely, And I do hope that happens for them,
but I think we need to give it another twenty
years or another fifteen. They're the type of exoes that'll
just like every decade, or so they come back around
to each other and.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Our children's are sare and then our children's children.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and on their one hundredth birthday in a few years,
they'll be renewing their vower somewhere and that'll be holding
his duncan and it'll be great for them.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I cannot wait. So I was scrolling on my streaming
services as you do, to look for something to watch,
and I was fed this show and it was on
Apple TV and it was called The Reluctant Traveler starring
Eugene Levy, and I was like, why am I being
fed this now? Like it was about like he's already
(08:19):
done two whole seasons. I never knew this show existed. Oh,
and it was only like this new season that he's
doing right now, season three, where it's like been all
over my like Apple TV feed.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Your algorithm just knows my algorithm knows me so well.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And then I realized why, and it was because buried
within the season is an episode that stars Prince.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
William, the future King, Yes, the future King of England, of.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
The world of the world, not at all.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, So this whole series is kind of like a
comedic take on like travel documentary Eugene Levy, Like everyone
knows him from Shit's Creig from American Pie, And it's
basically him talking about how he's really never traveled the
world and he kind of finds joy in just like
the simple mundane pleasures of everyday life, like things on repetition.
(09:11):
So we wanted to throw himself out there, out of
the box and just travel the world and see these
different countries in a really interesting way. This is the
only episode I've watched, yeah, because I was immediately hooked.
And this particular episode where he travels to the UK
and instead of seeing the UK and England, we just
see Prince William.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. I mean one would argue he is he is
the UK.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Essentially, if anyone's more UK, it's him.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So he goes to the UK. He's in this hotel
and I got really confused because I think this is
a really like fancy hotel that royals have visited. Cate
Milton stayed there the night she got married. Oh yeah,
and I thought like in the beginning, I thought it
was like a cosplay of the Palace. I was like,
I don't really confused as Prince William here is that
fake Prince William. That was sware on that reality TV show.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh yeah, that show where all those women were told
they were going on a dating show and when they arrived,
this guy saying there who looks just like Prince Harry,
And he's like, hi, I'm kaye. Nothing like Prince red
hair as close they could find, and they're all just like,
oh my god, is that Prince Harry and the like
they're not telling us it's him, but it is him.
Remember that was a real moment in time where you
want to just sort of trick people on dating shows
(10:18):
by presenting them like this person who look like a
normal guy and like he's really a millionaire, but don't
tell the women because the one who picks him for
love and then at the end she finds out, oh
my god, but spoiler alert, he wasn't Prince Harry.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Maybe we should do a brilliant trivial of that show.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That show, How good would that be? What was called
you Want to Marry Harry? You want to marry from memory?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Didn't end well, it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Doesn't sound good anyway. This is a bit different. This
show is much more elevated and do you want to Magic?
So Eugene's in this hotel room. He gets a letter
from William inviting him to the palace to go on
a little walk, and his dress code was were something
comfortable for walking a dog. So he gets to the
palace and look, this opening scene I feel like was
(11:00):
a bit odd. Prince William comes from the other end
of the estate on an electric scooter.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
No, that's how they get around the estate. It looks
so bad, really is that all the time he gave
me the biggest that I never ever want to see
a royal on an electric anything. That a state is
so big, So like that's how William gets around.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And like other people, there was just.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The silence and you just hear.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
The it's like you're far away.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They film they filmed the whole thing of him coming
all the way around and just Eugene walked from his
hotel and eu Jean's just standing there like there he is,
and then he's like trying to like get a comment
from commentary on like the like being he's like, I've
never seen this in my life.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So fun. And they didn't put music over it or anything.
I don't think you can.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
When you're talking to a royal.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, no, but like to make his coming on a
scooter like not be like trumps. Like something that you
know that reminds me of is like when we used
to get like the pre screeners of The Bachelor, and
they would send them to us, but they hadn't We
got them so early that they hadn't put any of
the sound.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It's just awkward.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So then you'd be like, girl.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Gets hert the car and then she has to walk
up to the batchel and it's just like all you hear
is the gravel crunch crunch country for so long you're like, oh,
I don't realize how much the music is doing all
the heavy list music does. Though, they should have given
William like a cool backing tune so he didn't look
stupid on the stair.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Maybe some like hardcore wrap or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, they wouldn't have seen out of place.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The actual interview that they do, because it is ends
up being an interview of course, makes William so likable.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, which is obviously why he did it, Like he's
in real.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Big What I'm confused about, like, why would he kind
of do something like this, because.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Because he's trying to redo his public image, he's about
to be the next King of England, but also the
Royal family for the last couple of years in particular,
has had a real pr problem and a lot of
the public facing royals, apart from Princess Catherine, I'm not
kind of the beloved members of the royal family, and
Prince William took a real hit with the Harry stuff.
(13:06):
Maybe not as much in like London in the UK,
because I feel like from what i've from the coverage,
they're they're like very anti Meghan and they're very anti Harry.
But also you've got to think, like in Prince Harry's book,
he writes about his brother being really cold towards him.
He writes by his brother forsaking him for Kate Middleton
when they got married, and not understanding him, but also
of him like coming into his house and like pushing
(13:27):
him up and against the wall and hitting him and
then lying to him and then screaming at him about Meghan,
and like for anyone who like believes outside the story
he's calm out of this, not looking great and people
still love Catherine quite a bit, but he's taken a
bit of a personality here, especially when people thought he was.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Cheating on her.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Those stories and people thought that Catherine wasn't hiding. There's
a whole yeah, the whole thing. Remember how he like
he never talks to like reporters on the street or
gives comments because he only ever does like set down
formal interviews with journalists that the Palace has like an
understanding with. And when that reporter was like, are your
racist family? And he doubled back and said, we are
very much not a racist family, when everyone thought that
(14:08):
he was the one who would said the comments about
Archie skin. So like the last couple of years, his
image has been a very turbulent place. Yeah, I feel
like space for him to reinvent himself because Eugene Levy
is known for being like a really calm and like lovely,
and he's.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like a far and he's also Canadian, which I think
is an important point because it's like, like I feel
like with an American they would not have been the
same style of interview, and I would have had so
many hidden layers that people would read into. But also
with everything that the public had perceived about William, his
answers are really interesting if you look through them through
the lens of like everything that's happened, like about the
(14:46):
racism allegations that were happening in the family with Megan Markle.
There was a point where Eugene Levy asked him, were
you close with your grandparents? And he said, I was close,
but they were from a different generation. Yeah, And he
went on saying that like when they were kids, it
was a very formal relationship, but when they grew up
they became much much more closer. And he also he
(15:08):
didn't speak about Harry at all except for once where
he was talking about how he wanted to make change
when he became king. And interestingly, People magazine did a
cover off of the back of this interview, my guess,
because it was such a big insight into Prince William
that he hasn't given in a really long time, and
they made an interesting point saying that like the word
(15:29):
change and monarchy never really go together. Wow. Yeah, And
he talks so much about how he thinks tradition is important,
but we also have to look at some of the
systems that he said, we have to look at some
of the systems that were suppressing me and Harry that
I don't want to go through again when we were kids,
and I thought that was really interesting because you also
forget that it feels like they've had such different upbringings
(15:49):
where they are now, but they actually haven't. They literally
lived on the same roof up until now, and it's
like they went into complete opposite directions. And he talks
a lot about his mum and things like that. He
also talks about his relationship with the media and saying
how specifically now he's more protective of his family than
any other time in history because of King Charles's diagnosis
(16:10):
life diagnosis. Like he said that he obviously his dad
is a king and he can protect himself, but he
still very much wants to draw that line between media
and family. But at the same time, he said, and
I want to quote this because I thought it was
such an interesting line. But you have to work with
the media, you have to have a grown up situation
with it as well. And I thought that was right
(16:31):
to Harry.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, that was a bit of a slight to him
of how much he's sort of sued members of the media.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's talked about the tabloid press.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
He's actually said, like when he was doing his book promo,
I think with Anderson Cooper who said to him like, oh,
you said this about your family.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It is like, no, I didn't. The British Press said that.
The British Press said.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That, like it's always him coming back to that of
they're the root of all the problems in both the
royal family and his world.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, it was just such an interesting interview and you're
so right, Like Eugene Levy I think was like the
perfect choice.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It was just so mutual.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It was such a smart decision on William's behalf, oh
one hundred percent, because he would get so many offers
and like requests to do different things, and I think
like he's probably done so many interviews with the same
few journalists in Britain that people just glaze over them
because like this, journalists always ask the same questions. They
never ask him the tough questions. And Eugene Levy's very
safe because like, yeah, he is very neutral. He's got
(17:23):
this demeanor of this public persona of being like very warm,
very neutral, very welcoming, very fun.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And also it's not actually an interview, like it's this
Eugene Levy show. Yeah, and he just has Prince William on,
so there's a lot of room to play with in
like not being hounded by the public like Eugene Levy
going this actually wasn't an interview, Like I didn't have
to ask him anything.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, no one's expecting like a gotcha moment or a
big reveal or anything like that. So yeah, it was
like a very kind of safe bet for both of them.
It was just I feel like it's humanized William to
so many people. Have you changed your mind on him?
I never really had a.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Big opinion on him in general because I I am
not a royal apologist. I just am obsessed with the
royal family and everything. Just like there was a scene
where he shows Eugene Levy the Knight armor that King
Henry the Eighth would wear.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Man, I'm not even joking. He was shorter than me,
you know, I believe you he was tiny. They had
it on this big ledge and Prince William was like
cool it. It was crazy, and I was like, I
just find like that stuff really interesting. But it also
reminded me of another interview David Attenborough when he did
a documentary on England and he interviewed the Queen and
(18:31):
they went for a walk in their private garden and
it was just like friends talking to each other. They
reminded me of that because they did their interview in
like the private gardens, like friends talking to each other,
And I think I preferred these type of interviews that
aren't really interviews with a royal family way more than
like the gotcha moments that we've been seeing recently, especially
(18:51):
with Harry and Meghan.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I mean, look, sometimes there's a space for gotcha moments
because sometimes they're not the journalists trying to trick the person.
They're just asking a tough question or a big question,
and sometimes you have to answer truthfully. So I think
it's a space for that. But I also think, like
you're right, this is a travel TV show. It's not
out in the world to kind of bring Prince William down.
But I do think it was very calky later on
his behalf in his wholl Teen's behalf.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
It's so calculate because he's not a good actor, so
you can see where they cut scenes and then William's
just like, thank you Eugene for joining me today. I'm like,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
He's like I'm trying to say my line.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It's very cute. We'll put a link to it in
the show notes. But it's on Apple TV and now
I've just started watching all the other episodes. I'm obsessed
with Eugene Levy. He is so so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So a very unexpected show has become very popular in Australia,
and that is the American version of Dancing with the Stars,
which is taking place at the moment.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
We've talked about it a few times, sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Eve anytimes.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So obviously the kind of inn for Australia that's a
no brainer is that Robert Irwin, young sexy crocodile hunter
teamer boy that we've all watched grow up, is competing
this season the best.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
One on the show.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Do you think so?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, I guess so. He's definitely he's definitely
throwing everything behind it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I mean he's better than Dylan Efron.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Which, well, here's the thing, like, yes, there's an Australian
person that we all care about it. But I feel
like this season in particular, apparently it's super popular in
the US, like everyone's invested. Heaps the people who don't
usually watch Dancing with the Stars watching like not just
watching the clips online, but watching the full show. And
in Australia people also very tuned into it and it
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is to do with the car. So obviously Robert Irwin,
people love him. Dylan Efron Zac Efron's very hot brother,
so many people are lusting after him. Said they're tuning
in to watch Alex Earl, who's one of the yay
and apparently she's like really good. While I was watching her,
they had Disney Night this week, so I was watching
her malificen dances really good. And I think that in
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with her is obviously she's one of the biggest influencers
in the world. She's one of the biggest TikTokers in
the world, but we've never seen her do like a
very traditional broadcast show like this, so you're getting access
to her in a different.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Way and to a different audience.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And also people were just like, how is she going
to come across doing these dances, and so she's even
got a bigger fan base as that was possible from
the millions and millions of people that followed her. And
then we also have Ilaria Baldwin.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh God, who are yes? I let to say about her?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I thought she was too busy with her show. Keeping
up with the Baldwin.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Is some what is called it's definitely not keeps. I mean,
you're fine, that's keeping up with the Kardashians. She is
a busy woman. I'll give her that. She's raising seven children.
She also shoots reality TV shows. She wrote a book.
She and her oldest sort of Carmen, are launching a podcast.
She's all about it and she has been competing on
She's launching a podcast, yeah, with her daughter Carmen. It's
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called growing Up Together in Spain. They don't live in Spain.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So obviously.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is the thing about Ilaria Baldwin is that she
was always quite well known.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
When she married Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Many years ago, their wedding photos were in all the magazines,
and when they had their first Saorughter Carmen her photo
like debut in People magazine.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It was a huge thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And then Ilaria started going and.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Doing her own sorts of appearances.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
She would go on talk shows, she would appear in magazines,
she would you know, she was doing the circuit. And
then she started becoming like an influencer on her socials
and had quite a big following. And the crux of
this was that she was a Spanish woman, and so
she would go on cook shows and do like Spanish cooking,
and she would feature in like Spanish magazines and it
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was a big thing too, was a big stick with
like Alec Baldwin would go on talk shows and be like, oh,
you know, my wife's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
She's Spanish, so she's really.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Blah blah blah and all this sort of stuff, and
so that was kind of their stick. And though she
was a lot younger than him and they had so
many children together, people had this weird fascination with them. Yeah,
and then a few years ago something interesting happened.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
We find out she's not Spanish but in fact American.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So it's so funny because I typed in Ilaria Baldwin
just to sort of I think I was even just checking,
like what dance she did this week, or like I
literally just typed in Ilaria that's it, And it came
up to the top of Google is Alaria Baldwin Spanish?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And then you know how it has does Google say?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, it has the AI when you type a thing
to go yet the AI summary at the top. I'm like,
I wasn't asking Google, but it's like, I'll tell you
it said no, Ilaria Baldwin is not Spanish. She was
born in Boston, Massachusetts, and is of English, French, Canadian, German, Irish,
and Slovak descent, though her family now resides in Spain.
And then they said a controversy erupted in December twenty
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twenty when social media users accused her of misrepresenting her
Spanish heritage and faking a Spanish accent, leading to widespread
public discussion about her claims of a dual cultural upbringing
and her confusing public statements on the matter.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh God, that year, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So because it happened, you know what I would do?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know what I wouldn't do after something like that
came about me make a reality TV show?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I know, but it kind of did like humanize them
to people because she had had this scandal of pretending
to be Spanish. And then he was obviously involved in
the rust shooting incident, but where a woman unfortunately died
and then another person was shot, and Alec Baldwin went
to trial for that and then like the armor on
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the set went to jail and it was it was
a whole huge situation. So then they've made this reality
TV series which a lot of people I think started
watching us like a bit of a joke, but then
people started to really you know the reality TV can
do that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You start to warm to them and you see them
with their kids, and I feel most like, yeah, yeah,
you would fall hook it. You'd be like, I love
Alec Baldwyn. He's the best. Dat, she's the best.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Mom always does that to me. I don't have a backbone.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's the it's the force of storytelling. It's so funny
because I was obviously aware of who Ilaria Baldwin was
and I saw her pop up and talk shows and
I was like, yeah, that's you know, she's she speaks
quite good English for someone who's first.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I used to see her on talk shows. Yeah, she
speaks really good English for.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Someone who's like it's not her first language, like I
don't speak two languages.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Who might have judged someone.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And when she would like forget words and not be
able to say phrases in English and this.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Was like cucumber or something, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, how you say cook?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah that clip is so damning because it was yeah,
she's on a cooking show.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Because she would do these like demonstrating.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We went through that as a culture.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
We were on Christmas holidays, we wouldn't be doing the pod.
And I was trying to explain to my sisters, to
my lawyer sister and my doctor sister, who don't follow
pop culture, and I was like, you don't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
She's not Spanish. And I were like, stop talking to me.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't care about this. It was a really lonely
time for me. I don't have anyone to communicate.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Should have flown up, see you, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Should have come to Queensland. We could have done an
emergency spill episode. So yeah, so she yeah, So, if
you haven't seen that clip, she's on a cooking show
and she's explained the ingredients and she struggles with all
of them. But then she goes, yeah, how do you
say in the host like cucumber?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She's like, oh you come by?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yes, which, again, someone who was Spanish, that's not funny.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yes, When I originally saw the clip for a woman.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Who was born and raised America for her entire life
and lived here for her entire adult life, a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Funny, A little bit funny, especially when your whole Spanish
accent is completely fake.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
She even had the people of Spain fulled because she
would be on the covers of like Spanish magazines talking
about like her Spanish upbringing in her family and how she.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Was so much to descent.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So then I think it all started, like someone just
tweeted like, isn't it interesting how Hilaria Baldwin has convinced
us all that she's Spanish when she's not, And that
kind of got picked up and just went crazy, and
she did try to explain it.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
About Laria Baldwin and the reason I bringing up this
week is not because she's on Dancing with the Stars,
but because she did this big long form interview on
the podcast Not Skinny, Not Fat with Amanda Hirsh. Yeah,
and she kind of buckled down on her story, which
is what I found interesting, because here's the thing. If
your story checks out, then you should have the facts
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and the background to back that up, right.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Like if you said to me, I'm Spanish, and I said, okay,
can you tell me a bit about that, you would
be like, yeah, like I was born in America, but
I was like raised in Spain for this amount of years,
like I lived here, like I went to school in Spain,
like something to kind of back that up, but Laria
Borwen has like never really been able to do that.
She always like speaks in this very kind of flowery,
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over the top and like never actually gives any detail
when asked her about her background, she.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Always puts it back on to the public in a
way that's like, you guys are being so weird for
like thinking about this for so like, yeah, bullying.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And what I thought was when I saw her pop
up on the Not Skinny but Not Sad podcast, I
was just like, oh, I'm really interested to listen to
this because Amanda hersh the host of that, and she
also has a really popular Instagram account posted a lot
about Alaria when this was coming out, like not the
mean way, but she was just like, oh my god,
this is like everyone else at the time, like this
is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
She did what like we did at the time where
it was like here's what happened, here are the facts. Yeah,
this is why it's so crazy, which is it is crazy.
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, he's so crazy. And so when I was listening
to the podcast, I'm like, oh, were you what.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Were you going to expect? What were we expecting from
this interview?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I thought that Amanda would sort of say to her,
but like, why did you do to be Spanish?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I just maybe thought that she would sort of say, like,
because I've seen her do this with people, she'd be like,
you know, because she does a live interviews with like
reality TV stars and stuff, and they'll be.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like, oh, like I didn't know, and she's like, oh,
like she's.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Really nice to the guests, like she's not trying to
like she treats them like a guest, like not that
she's interrogating them, but she'll say something like, oh, but
like you did know that this camera was on, and
you did know this was gonna blow up, and you
didn't know that person was going to say that. Like
she does sort of say like, just tell me the truth.
So I thought she'd say to Ilaria, but why did
you pretend to be Spanish when you spent your whole
life at America?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Or like how much time did you just something?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Or like how did your accent get so thick when
you hadn't lived you know something to sort of or
like were you aware when you were giving all these
interviews that it was misleading or something, especially.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Because she like had talked about it before on her
podcast so much. Yeah, and like she was pretty obvious. Yeah,
and she was like it was obvious that she was
like this is a wild thing for someone to do.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah. And then when she gets on the podcast, she
sort of says to her like, oh, Amanda says to Hilaria,
like I just want to let you know, like I
did post about that at the time, and Alaria kind
of last, so she goes, I know everyone was so
like it was COVID. Everyone was so bored like back then,
like no one had anything to say, and they kind
of laugh it off.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I'm like, that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Everyone just blames everything on COVID.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's like when all the airlines, I also know the
flights aren't going because people have forgotten how to fly.
It's like, no, you made everyone, you fired everyone, and
everyone I don't want to fly the plane.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And also like we were there, Like people talk about
COVID as if like only they were going.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Through and saw this day. I remember it happening.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I was like I was there, I remember this happen.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And also like we weren't completely in lockdown because I
was in Queensland with my family, so I remember, so
don't get Brandon, Chris, don't tell me I was bored.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I was very busy. I would have had Emily in
Paris to watch out of, like Christmas shopping and a
lot going on.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Tell me I'm bored Alaria.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah exactly. So they kind of both laughed off and
then do that thing. It sounds like I hate Larry Baldwin.
I don't actually have a lot of affection for her.
And I think if you want to pretend to be Spanish,
you'd be Spanish. That's totally fine.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
But either lean to the line.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Or say double down, or just be like, yeah, that
was wild and I did that.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah exactly, like that crazy. I got in a bit
of my mind. We're all crazy during I just.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Say I was getting booked more being Spanish, so I
leant into it. But here's what she did on that podcast,
and what she does a lot is she goes she
kind of like defers this very angelic side of her
where she doesn't address any of the facts. The facts
is that she was born in Boston, she was raised
in Boston. She went to school, I believe, primary school
and high school all the way through in Boston.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Which is the fact that it also Amanda knows.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yay, that everyone kind of knows, but no one ever
like really pushes her on it. So it's possible that
she spent a lot of holidays in Spain, and I
think that is true. I think her family would go
to Spain on their holidays, and I think that they did.
Her family there, and her parents definitely retire to Spain
and her brother moved to Spain. And there's a partner
in this podcast where she's like, I was crying to
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my brother on the phone when it was scandal was
blowing up, and he's like, Laria, I'm in Spain and
you're talking to me in Spanish, like, do you know
it's crazy that people think you're not from Spain?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And I was like, that also doesn't mean that you're
Spanish just because your brother relocated it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
A lot of people relocate to my your car It's
like a really popular like tourist or like retirement destination
for people because it's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
It's like when your third cousin one's removed, like moves
to the US. I'm also, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It So again it sounds
like I hate Alaria Ball when I don't. I just
hate when she does this thing is what she's done
on them not skinny but not that fat podcast.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
She's just starting us into thinking we're crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, and also like we're judging her for liking other languages,
which is one hundred percent not that's how I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So in this what she's doing exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So in this interview, she goes, you know, I just
don't think it's bad to have two cultures, and I
don't think it's bad to speak two languages.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And she's making it seem.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Like she's just making she's putting words in them Outhally,
no one said it's bad to speak two languages, so
many people across the world do.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Isn't like Spanish, one of the most spoken languages in
the whole world.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Bad for women to speak.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
That is also what she's alluding to. She was like,
you know, I speak two languages and I've raised my
children to speak both languages, and I know that you
all think that that's bad, but I don't think it is.
And it's like, literally, no one is upset that you
speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
That is very impressive. You're teaching your children to speak Spanish.
Also very impressive.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's a very spoken language in America, Like, it's very
helpful to have, and it's spoken in so many countries
across the world. It's probably one of the most useful
languages to have, and a lot of people are bilingual
and that is a great thing. No, literally, no one
is saying that. What we're saying to you is that
you pretended to be a Spanish woman to get airtime
on cooking shows. She just will not hear it.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
She will not hear it. But I think, Amanda Herd.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Do you think, yeah, what did you think listening?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Because I sent this to you and I said, I
just listened to this, and I just can't stop thinking
about the fact that I just wanted to scream ask
her why she pretended to be Spanish.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I don't make it a.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Moral issue of like we're judging women for learning languages.
I'm sure there's people in the world that are doing that.
I know there's a big push for tidwives and things,
but like, not from this audience, the people who are
consuming it, and not from these women, and definitely not
from us. So I sent it to you and I
was like, you need to listen to this. I need
someone to talk to about it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'm so glad you sent it because the first thing
I saw were all the comments. Oh really, the actual
which made me want to listen to it.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Are they still there? I think they might have gone.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I want to read them.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Oh they're still there. Oh Spotify. Okay, I was looking
on them.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So these are the comments on them not Skinny but
not Fat podcast? So these are the comments directed to
Amanda her, you're pandering to her. It wasn't the misinterpretation
of Alaria. It was pure grift. Nobody said being bilingual
is bad, but it is bad to continually lie about
who you are, where you come from, and pretending you
carry the same struggles as a whole race you're not
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part of. And also this was very hypocritical of you.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh okay, I hadn't seen that, so I think a
lot of it. I wasn't saying that. I was just like, yes,
find this interview hard to listen to?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
You.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I thought the interview was quite hard to listen to
because everything I wanted Amanda to ask she didn't. Yeah,
And I think some of the comments, pecially, a lot
of the comments are quite terrible. So I don't recommend
anyone to go read No, that's not nice. It's not nice,
especially if you're anonymous. But I think a lot of
the stuff that the comments were saying was stuff that
I actually agreed to an extent in that because Amanda
(34:42):
had such a well researched and thought out opinion about
Alaria before going into this interview, I was annoyed that
didn't come across in the interview with that. I felt
like she allowed Alaro to say those things without actually
checking in on her and being like, that's actually not true,
Like what Alara was saying was actually factually not true. Yeah,
(35:04):
And I just wish Amanda said that yeah, because we'd
have been an opportunity that would have allowed Alari to
actually been like Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, what would you have said?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That situation though, because that's all I was thinking, because
I mean, that does happen that we talk because we
talk about people on this podcast and then sometimes we
do go and interview them.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
But that's the other thing. If I was in and
I'm such a freaking hypocrite, because if I was in
the har position, I'd be the exact same.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You'd be like yeah, I'd be like, yeah, speak another languages.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, I feel like I hate society. I hate that
we're not allowed to speak multiple languages. It's so true,
like I would be in.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That fold like a cheap beach. Yeah, but also that's.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Some people's jobs here, but it's not my job. Like
if I was like had to interview, like do that
type of interview with a celebrity, I know I wouldn't
be the best person for that job.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
It's hard because.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Sometimes you can't ask them a celebrity about every sort
of controversy that they've done in an interview, especially they're
there to talk about a movie. But I think with
her it is a little bit different because.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think I could have just said like kind of
like not gave in, Like I felt like she gave
in a little.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Bit, but I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean again, I'm not going for my high horse
because I think it is Yeah, when you're interviewing someone
that's very specific. But I will say, like it is
a hazard of the business because there are celebrities that
sometimes we've talked about on this podcast in a very
like we've like called out their behavior or so we
don't agree with this and that, and then I will
get an interview offer like a few months later from there,
or a few weeks later because they're promoting something and
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they'll be like such and such wants to come on
the pod but only to talk about her new song,
or he only wants to talk about his new movie.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I'll say like, oh, that's great.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And we'll definitely give the opportunity to do that, but
also like we'll just have to address this, this, and
this because we've said it on the pod. Yeah, Like
we can't have Tom Cruise on this pod when we've
talked about all this crazy stuff that he's done and
then be like tell us about the movie like that's bad.
Or like when Rita Ora wanted to come on and
promote her album, like we had just had all these
discussions about the black fishing situation or the COVID parties
(36:56):
and all these things. And again not that I would
have hammered them and said tell me the truth, you're
a bad person, but I'm like, you can't do a
podcast episode being like this crazy thing happened and then
be like not address it when you talk to them.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, so it is hard.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
So again I wish no ill will to Laria Baldwin.
I actually like think if you want to go off
and like make a reality show and make a podcast.
You want to be on Dancing with the Start.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Now it's gone, right, the Spanish is gone.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It's not even a hint of Spanish. In fact, it
sounds like a caricature of an American accent, like a
fake American accent.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, she's out of Dancing with the Stars. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I did feel bad for her about that.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So Yeah, Hilary Thomas as she was born before she
became Laria Baldwin was very unfortunately eliminated from Dancing with
the Stars this week. And I don't think there's anything
wrong with her wanting to be famous, Like I think
she very much wants to be famous. She wants this
big following, Like that's fine, just don't grift being Spanish.
But I did feel bad because I sent you her
exit interview where she said this, I closed the door
(37:52):
and dance on tack you no, opening it up has
been big.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Maybe I'll close the drogan.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And a lot of people were being really nasty to her,
being like when she's like maybe she's like basically saying
like I've never donce again. But I mean, she was
trying to be a dance sign and then she broke
her hip, so that's why she couldn't dance. So it
is kind of sad when you know that context.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, I'm sad to be missing her on dancing.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
What is it testing? Is that Spanish for sad?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You're gonna have to ask would you believe that both
Lara and I not Spanish?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
For God?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So yeah, we wish her all the best our non Spanish.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
What do you think she's going to do now? Back
to cooking?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, I mean again, she's got seven kids, so she's
very busy. And then she and Carmen are starting a
podcast together.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
She's going to do for the podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, it'd be so interesting. Surprise, Yeah, surprise us. Laria
love you.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
Make sure you follow us on socials. We are on
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
There was always a debate about the hair before we start.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We don't include the spillers in because I just don't
know if they'd be interested in that, or maybe you
guys would let us know.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think because we do it every single day, it's
been a bit boring for us. But I'm a feeling
of spillers might enjoy that little bt yes moment.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh okay, well, stay tuned, Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Maybe the video producer Michael can decide maybe we'll start gossiping.
While we do that, we can put that up on
stories and people can have a little insight. Hair is
not the topic of this show today, would you believe?
Unless you want to you beauty is recording in the
studio next to us, next to us, so you could
do a crossover. We just tap on the window between
us and be like, can you guys give us some hairtaps,
give us some haird tips?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Please?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But coming up on the show today, Prince William has
given a very revealing and surprising interview that young Emily
here was quite flawed by it. So you're going to
take us through the biggest moments of that.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yes, I will.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Plus, I'm not laughing, it's not funny.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Ilaria Baldwin Laddia, our favorite Spanish superstar, has also given
a very revealing and surprising interview that we're going to
delve into. Plus this week she had a bit of
a heartbreaking moment on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
She had a big week.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, she's had a huge week. The American show that
Astoria has become obsessed with. We're going to unpack all that.
But first, Emily, this week you saw some photos that
traumatized you.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yes, traumatize This is a very intense word.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I'm for this moment.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I did see some videos and some short clips I
want to say of two very very famous people on
a red carpet that I didn't think I'd ever see
together again. I am talking about Jennifer Lopez or also
known as Jalo you might know her and Ben Affleck. Yes,
my favorite couple and then ex'es and then couple and
(02:18):
then ex's trope. They are currently in the excess phase
of their relationship, and yet they were spotted together on
a red carpet at what I'm assuming is a movie premiere,
because I know they did a lot of work together
when they were together, and they're kind of cuddling, They're
smiling at each other, he's whispering in her ear. They're
looking very very happy together. But I don't want to
(02:42):
get my hopes up.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, look, I definitely wouldn't get your hopes up at
this stage.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Do you think they're friends?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Do you think exes can be friends?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think excess you have to go on a very
public red carpet and post together can definitely look like friends.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The reason I think they're friends is that Jennifer Lopez
has been seen taking his kids out shopping recently, well
in the last few months recently, but definitely since they're divorced.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
What she was their stepmom for like over a year.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So you break up with someone and you still have
to look after their kids.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, maybe she had promised Samuel that she would take
him to a specific shop or something.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Like when kids are involved, it's a bit more, you know,
it's a bit more layered. But yes, they were together
at the premiere of Kiss of the Spider Woman, which
is the new Are you.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Laughing at that?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's funny. Then it was a very famous what a
Spider Woman?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
She's like the stut and it sounds like she's playing
a woman who is a spider but unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Like Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Now it's like Supergirl. It's not in the same universe
as Spider Man. Would you believe it?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It was a very famous book, and then it became
a famous Broadway play and it has been a movie
as well that I think came out in nineteen eighty five.
That was four I was born, So what do I know?
And now they've remade it again for the big screen, right,
And it's about two I think it's two prisoners in
a cell together and one of them is telling his
friend about his favorite musical and star and that is
(03:59):
Jennifer Lopez being the Spider Woman. So like that it
like cuts to her doing this musical again. I haven't
seen the movie yet. I don't how they've interpret it, but
that is the crux of the situation. But she was
sending yeah, yeah, she loves the theme dressing.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
We love that for her.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So she was doing like Dakota Johnson from Madame Webb
or Zendeia from the Spider Man franchise, where she was
doing these beautiful coature gowns, but they had a bit
of a spider spider layering to them. So yes, well
she and Ben were married. Well, obviously he produced the
music video to the album she wrote about him. You
know when she was in the glass tower and the
hummingbird cracked it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, huge, Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
My god, I forgot so much about this relationship. Now,
we did so much together the little time they had so.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Much together in the time they were married. I don't
think they had time to actually be at home or
be married because they were just making her album, making
the movie that went with her album.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Gaining those news let the subscribers.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, exactly, getting married twice.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Then they made that other movie with Matt Damon, that
one that came out just after their divorce was announced.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Ben Affleck didn't go to that premiere.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
But Matt Damon had to console Jaylen.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, you can see the photos from the after party
where he's holding her hand and she's like explaining to him,
and that was in the depths of their breakup.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I feel like every friendship there's a Matt and a Ben. Yeah,
there's the one who goes off and breaks hearts and
does whatever they want and has a really good time,
and then there's the other person who picks up the pieces.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, of the fallout.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I'm a Ben.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh, you're a Ben. Sadly, I feel like I'm a Matt.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think you're a Mat.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I think that's why we get along so well.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I think you're a really great Matt.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
For me, it always happens to answer we get along
so well, is that when we are the Matt Damon.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't think, no, absolutely not. You need those You
need a balance. Yeah, you need a balance of the
two of them. So yes.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
The reason they we're at this premiere is that Ben
and Matt's production company produce The Kiss of a Spider
Woman and starring Jennifer Lopez, and even though she says
she's not going for an Oscar, it is widely believed
to be her big oscar push.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
The Spider Woman. Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, because it's going to be like a big dramatic
performance based on a book, based on a play, and
you're dramatic.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They're going to start leaning more into the X's friendship
trope because that would help.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The movie potentially. I mean, did get everyone talking about it.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I watched those little clips that were like two seconds longs.
I probably watched them like eighteen times, really, And what
did you deduce from that? You think they're getting back together.
I think it's more of like me wanting them to
get back together, so I keep watching it, and also
me trying to find hints of like love between them,
which I'm sure they obviously have because they've been together
for so long and then together again. But I think
(06:38):
it's more just like I just fall for it, Like
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Falling for it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess when.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They broke up the first time over twenty years ago,
and I think obviously that was seemed, at least to
their public eye, seems like a bigger deal, and they
were not pictured together ever after that, but obviously now
because the kids are involved, member, how when they first
they got divorced the second time, this time around, and
then it was spotted after that going to lunch. I
think it was a Chateau my Mont where they were, yes,
and he.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Was holding the Duncan donuts dream yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Always always. We love a man who was always on breath.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
He looked less sad in those photos.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And they went into lunch and they had all their
kids and there was photos of them and they were
hanging out, and since then they had.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Jennifer Gannah had to pick them up.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
He's spotted with Jennifer Gannah just as much as he's
spoted with Jennifer Lupez, which I guess is fair because
they're all just friendly excesses.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Just friendly excesses.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
They're always hanging out together, which I think they kind
of have to. Here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I don't think they're getting back together now at all.
They literally like the income.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That mean a.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Third wedding wouldn't hurt No, no, no, a third wedding would
be lovely, And I do hope that happens for them,
but I think we need to give it another twenty
years or another fifteen. They're the type of exoes that'll
just like every decade, or so they come back around
to each other and.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Our children's are sare and then our children's children.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and on their one hundredth birthday in a few years,
they'll be renewing their vower somewhere and that'll be holding
his duncan and it'll be great for them.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I cannot wait. So I was scrolling on my streaming
services as you do, to look for something to watch,
and I was fed this show and it was on
Apple TV and it was called The Reluctant Traveler starring
Eugene Levy, and I was like, why am I being
fed this now? Like it was about like he's already
(08:19):
done two whole seasons. I never knew this show existed. Oh,
and it was only like this new season that he's
doing right now, season three, where it's like been all
over my like Apple TV feed.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Your algorithm just knows my algorithm knows me so well.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And then I realized why, and it was because buried
within the season is an episode that stars Prince.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
William, the future King, Yes, the future King of England, of.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
The world of the world, not at all.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, So this whole series is kind of like a
comedic take on like travel documentary Eugene Levy, Like everyone
knows him from Shit's Creig from American Pie, And it's
basically him talking about how he's really never traveled the
world and he kind of finds joy in just like
the simple mundane pleasures of everyday life, like things on repetition.
(09:11):
So we wanted to throw himself out there, out of
the box and just travel the world and see these
different countries in a really interesting way. This is the
only episode I've watched, yeah, because I was immediately hooked.
And this particular episode where he travels to the UK
and instead of seeing the UK and England, we just
see Prince William.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. I mean one would argue he is he is
the UK.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Essentially, if anyone's more UK, it's him.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So he goes to the UK. He's in this hotel
and I got really confused because I think this is
a really like fancy hotel that royals have visited. Cate
Milton stayed there the night she got married. Oh yeah,
and I thought like in the beginning, I thought it
was like a cosplay of the Palace. I was like,
I don't really confused as Prince William here is that
fake Prince William. That was sware on that reality TV show.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh yeah, that show where all those women were told
they were going on a dating show and when they arrived,
this guy saying there who looks just like Prince Harry,
And he's like, hi, I'm kaye. Nothing like Prince red
hair as close they could find, and they're all just like,
oh my god, is that Prince Harry and the like
they're not telling us it's him, but it is him.
Remember that was a real moment in time where you
want to just sort of trick people on dating shows
(10:18):
by presenting them like this person who look like a
normal guy and like he's really a millionaire, but don't
tell the women because the one who picks him for
love and then at the end she finds out, oh
my god, but spoiler alert, he wasn't Prince Harry.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Maybe we should do a brilliant trivial of that show.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That show, How good would that be? What was called
you Want to Marry Harry? You want to marry from memory?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Didn't end well, it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Doesn't sound good anyway. This is a bit different. This
show is much more elevated and do you want to Magic?
So Eugene's in this hotel room. He gets a letter
from William inviting him to the palace to go on
a little walk, and his dress code was were something
comfortable for walking a dog. So he gets to the
palace and look, this opening scene I feel like was
(11:00):
a bit odd. Prince William comes from the other end
of the estate on an electric scooter.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
No, that's how they get around the estate. It looks
so bad, really is that all the time he gave
me the biggest that I never ever want to see
a royal on an electric anything. That a state is
so big, So like that's how William gets around.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And like other people, there was just.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The silence and you just hear.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
The it's like you're far away.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They film they filmed the whole thing of him coming
all the way around and just Eugene walked from his
hotel and eu Jean's just standing there like there he is,
and then he's like trying to like get a comment
from commentary on like the like being he's like, I've
never seen this in my life.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So fun. And they didn't put music over it or anything.
I don't think you can.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
When you're talking to a royal.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, no, but like to make his coming on a
scooter like not be like trumps. Like something that you
know that reminds me of is like when we used
to get like the pre screeners of The Bachelor, and
they would send them to us, but they hadn't We
got them so early that they hadn't put any of
the sound.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It's just awkward.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So then you'd be like, girl.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Gets hert the car and then she has to walk
up to the batchel and it's just like all you hear
is the gravel crunch crunch country for so long you're like, oh,
I don't realize how much the music is doing all
the heavy list music does. Though, they should have given
William like a cool backing tune so he didn't look
stupid on the stair.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Maybe some like hardcore wrap or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, they wouldn't have seen out of place.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The actual interview that they do, because it is ends
up being an interview of course, makes William so likable.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, which is obviously why he did it, Like he's
in real.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Big What I'm confused about, like, why would he kind
of do something like this, because.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Because he's trying to redo his public image, he's about
to be the next King of England, but also the
Royal family for the last couple of years in particular,
has had a real pr problem and a lot of
the public facing royals, apart from Princess Catherine, I'm not
kind of the beloved members of the royal family, and
Prince William took a real hit with the Harry stuff.
(13:06):
Maybe not as much in like London in the UK,
because I feel like from what i've from the coverage,
they're they're like very anti Meghan and they're very anti Harry.
But also you've got to think, like in Prince Harry's book,
he writes about his brother being really cold towards him.
He writes by his brother forsaking him for Kate Middleton
when they got married, and not understanding him, but also
of him like coming into his house and like pushing
(13:27):
him up and against the wall and hitting him and
then lying to him and then screaming at him about Meghan,
and like for anyone who like believes outside the story
he's calm out of this, not looking great and people
still love Catherine quite a bit, but he's taken a
bit of a personality here, especially when people thought he was.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Cheating on her.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Those stories and people thought that Catherine wasn't hiding. There's
a whole yeah, the whole thing. Remember how he like
he never talks to like reporters on the street or
gives comments because he only ever does like set down
formal interviews with journalists that the Palace has like an
understanding with. And when that reporter was like, are your
racist family? And he doubled back and said, we are
very much not a racist family, when everyone thought that
(14:08):
he was the one who would said the comments about
Archie skin. So like the last couple of years, his
image has been a very turbulent place. Yeah, I feel
like space for him to reinvent himself because Eugene Levy
is known for being like a really calm and like lovely,
and he's.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like a far and he's also Canadian, which I think
is an important point because it's like, like I feel
like with an American they would not have been the
same style of interview, and I would have had so
many hidden layers that people would read into. But also
with everything that the public had perceived about William, his
answers are really interesting if you look through them through
the lens of like everything that's happened, like about the
(14:46):
racism allegations that were happening in the family with Megan Markle.
There was a point where Eugene Levy asked him, were
you close with your grandparents? And he said, I was close,
but they were from a different generation. Yeah, And he
went on saying that like when they were kids, it
was a very formal relationship, but when they grew up
they became much much more closer. And he also he
(15:08):
didn't speak about Harry at all except for once where
he was talking about how he wanted to make change
when he became king. And interestingly, People magazine did a
cover off of the back of this interview, my guess,
because it was such a big insight into Prince William
that he hasn't given in a really long time, and
they made an interesting point saying that like the word
(15:29):
change and monarchy never really go together. Wow. Yeah, And
he talks so much about how he thinks tradition is important,
but we also have to look at some of the
systems that he said, we have to look at some
of the systems that were suppressing me and Harry that
I don't want to go through again when we were kids,
and I thought that was really interesting because you also
forget that it feels like they've had such different upbringings
(15:49):
where they are now, but they actually haven't. They literally
lived on the same roof up until now, and it's
like they went into complete opposite directions. And he talks
a lot about his mum and things like that. He
also talks about his relationship with the media and saying
how specifically now he's more protective of his family than
any other time in history because of King Charles's diagnosis
(16:10):
life diagnosis. Like he said that he obviously his dad
is a king and he can protect himself, but he
still very much wants to draw that line between media
and family. But at the same time, he said, and
I want to quote this because I thought it was
such an interesting line. But you have to work with
the media, you have to have a grown up situation
with it as well. And I thought that was right
(16:31):
to Harry.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, that was a bit of a slight to him
of how much he's sort of sued members of the media.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's talked about the tabloid press.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
He's actually said, like when he was doing his book promo,
I think with Anderson Cooper who said to him like, oh,
you said this about your family.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It is like, no, I didn't. The British Press said that.
The British Press said.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That, like it's always him coming back to that of
they're the root of all the problems in both the
royal family and his world.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, it was just such an interesting interview and you're
so right, Like Eugene Levy I think was like the
perfect choice.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It was just so mutual.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It was such a smart decision on William's behalf, oh
one hundred percent, because he would get so many offers
and like requests to do different things, and I think
like he's probably done so many interviews with the same
few journalists in Britain that people just glaze over them
because like this, journalists always ask the same questions. They
never ask him the tough questions. And Eugene Levy's very
safe because like, yeah, he is very neutral. He's got
(17:23):
this demeanor of this public persona of being like very warm,
very neutral, very welcoming, very fun.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And also it's not actually an interview, like it's this
Eugene Levy show. Yeah, and he just has Prince William on,
so there's a lot of room to play with in
like not being hounded by the public like Eugene Levy
going this actually wasn't an interview, Like I didn't have
to ask him anything.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, no one's expecting like a gotcha moment or a
big reveal or anything like that. So yeah, it was
like a very kind of safe bet for both of them.
It was just I feel like it's humanized William to
so many people. Have you changed your mind on him?
I never really had a.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Big opinion on him in general because I I am
not a royal apologist. I just am obsessed with the
royal family and everything. Just like there was a scene
where he shows Eugene Levy the Knight armor that King
Henry the Eighth would wear.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Man, I'm not even joking. He was shorter than me,
you know, I believe you he was tiny. They had
it on this big ledge and Prince William was like
cool it. It was crazy, and I was like, I
just find like that stuff really interesting. But it also
reminded me of another interview David Attenborough when he did
a documentary on England and he interviewed the Queen and
(18:31):
they went for a walk in their private garden and
it was just like friends talking to each other. They
reminded me of that because they did their interview in
like the private gardens, like friends talking to each other,
And I think I preferred these type of interviews that
aren't really interviews with a royal family way more than
like the gotcha moments that we've been seeing recently, especially
(18:51):
with Harry and Meghan.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I mean, look, sometimes there's a space for gotcha moments
because sometimes they're not the journalists trying to trick the person.
They're just asking a tough question or a big question,
and sometimes you have to answer truthfully. So I think
it's a space for that. But I also think, like
you're right, this is a travel TV show. It's not
out in the world to kind of bring Prince William down.
But I do think it was very calky later on
his behalf in his wholl Teen's behalf.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
It's so calculate because he's not a good actor, so
you can see where they cut scenes and then William's
just like, thank you Eugene for joining me today. I'm like,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
He's like I'm trying to say my line.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It's very cute. We'll put a link to it in
the show notes. But it's on Apple TV and now
I've just started watching all the other episodes. I'm obsessed
with Eugene Levy. He is so so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So a very unexpected show has become very popular in Australia,
and that is the American version of Dancing with the Stars,
which is taking place at the moment.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
We've talked about it a few times, sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Eve anytimes.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So obviously the kind of inn for Australia that's a
no brainer is that Robert Irwin, young sexy crocodile hunter
teamer boy that we've all watched grow up, is competing
this season the best.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
One on the show.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Do you think so?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, I guess so. He's definitely he's definitely
throwing everything behind it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I mean he's better than Dylan Efron.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Which, well, here's the thing, like, yes, there's an Australian
person that we all care about it. But I feel
like this season in particular, apparently it's super popular in
the US, like everyone's invested. Heaps the people who don't
usually watch Dancing with the Stars watching like not just
watching the clips online, but watching the full show. And
in Australia people also very tuned into it and it
(20:29):
is to do with the car. So obviously Robert Irwin,
people love him. Dylan Efron Zac Efron's very hot brother,
so many people are lusting after him. Said they're tuning
in to watch Alex Earl, who's one of the yay
and apparently she's like really good. While I was watching her,
they had Disney Night this week, so I was watching
her malificen dances really good. And I think that in
(20:49):
with her is obviously she's one of the biggest influencers
in the world. She's one of the biggest TikTokers in
the world, but we've never seen her do like a
very traditional broadcast show like this, so you're getting access
to her in a different.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Way and to a different audience.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And also people were just like, how is she going
to come across doing these dances, and so she's even
got a bigger fan base as that was possible from
the millions and millions of people that followed her. And
then we also have Ilaria Baldwin.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh God, who are yes? I let to say about her?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I thought she was too busy with her show. Keeping
up with the Baldwin.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Is some what is called it's definitely not keeps. I mean,
you're fine, that's keeping up with the Kardashians. She is
a busy woman. I'll give her that. She's raising seven children.
She also shoots reality TV shows. She wrote a book.
She and her oldest sort of Carmen, are launching a podcast.
She's all about it and she has been competing on
She's launching a podcast, yeah, with her daughter Carmen. It's
(21:42):
called growing Up Together in Spain. They don't live in Spain.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So obviously.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is the thing about Ilaria Baldwin is that she
was always quite well known.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
When she married Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Many years ago, their wedding photos were in all the magazines,
and when they had their first Saorughter Carmen her photo
like debut in People magazine.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It was a huge thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And then Ilaria started going and.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Doing her own sorts of appearances.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
She would go on talk shows, she would appear in magazines,
she would you know, she was doing the circuit. And
then she started becoming like an influencer on her socials
and had quite a big following. And the crux of
this was that she was a Spanish woman, and so
she would go on cook shows and do like Spanish cooking,
and she would feature in like Spanish magazines and it
(22:26):
was a big thing too, was a big stick with
like Alec Baldwin would go on talk shows and be like, oh,
you know, my wife's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
She's Spanish, so she's really.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Blah blah blah and all this sort of stuff, and
so that was kind of their stick. And though she
was a lot younger than him and they had so
many children together, people had this weird fascination with them. Yeah,
and then a few years ago something interesting happened.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
We find out she's not Spanish but in fact American.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So it's so funny because I typed in Ilaria Baldwin
just to sort of I think I was even just checking,
like what dance she did this week, or like I
literally just typed in Ilaria that's it, And it came
up to the top of Google is Alaria Baldwin Spanish?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And then you know how it has does Google say?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, it has the AI when you type a thing
to go yet the AI summary at the top. I'm like,
I wasn't asking Google, but it's like, I'll tell you
it said no, Ilaria Baldwin is not Spanish. She was
born in Boston, Massachusetts, and is of English, French, Canadian, German, Irish,
and Slovak descent, though her family now resides in Spain.
And then they said a controversy erupted in December twenty
(23:29):
twenty when social media users accused her of misrepresenting her
Spanish heritage and faking a Spanish accent, leading to widespread
public discussion about her claims of a dual cultural upbringing
and her confusing public statements on the matter.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh God, that year, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So because it happened, you know what I would do?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know what I wouldn't do after something like that
came about me make a reality TV show?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I know, but it kind of did like humanize them
to people because she had had this scandal of pretending
to be Spanish. And then he was obviously involved in
the rust shooting incident, but where a woman unfortunately died
and then another person was shot, and Alec Baldwin went
to trial for that and then like the armor on
(24:14):
the set went to jail and it was it was
a whole huge situation. So then they've made this reality
TV series which a lot of people I think started
watching us like a bit of a joke, but then
people started to really you know the reality TV can
do that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You start to warm to them and you see them
with their kids, and I feel most like, yeah, yeah,
you would fall hook it. You'd be like, I love
Alec Baldwyn. He's the best. Dat, she's the best.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Mom always does that to me. I don't have a backbone.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's the it's the force of storytelling. It's so funny
because I was obviously aware of who Ilaria Baldwin was
and I saw her pop up and talk shows and
I was like, yeah, that's you know, she's she speaks
quite good English for someone who's first.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I used to see her on talk shows. Yeah, she
speaks really good English for.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Someone who's like it's not her first language, like I
don't speak two languages.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Who might have judged someone.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And when she would like forget words and not be
able to say phrases in English and this.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Was like cucumber or something, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, how you say cook?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah that clip is so damning because it was yeah,
she's on a cooking show.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Because she would do these like demonstrating.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We went through that as a culture.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
We were on Christmas holidays, we wouldn't be doing the pod.
And I was trying to explain to my sisters, to
my lawyer sister and my doctor sister, who don't follow
pop culture, and I was like, you don't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
She's not Spanish. And I were like, stop talking to me.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't care about this. It was a really lonely
time for me. I don't have anyone to communicate.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Should have flown up, see you, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Should have come to Queensland. We could have done an
emergency spill episode. So yeah, so she yeah, So, if
you haven't seen that clip, she's on a cooking show
and she's explained the ingredients and she struggles with all
of them. But then she goes, yeah, how do you
say in the host like cucumber?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She's like, oh you come by?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yes, which, again, someone who was Spanish, that's not funny.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yes, When I originally saw the clip for a woman.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Who was born and raised America for her entire life
and lived here for her entire adult life, a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Funny, A little bit funny, especially when your whole Spanish
accent is completely fake.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
She even had the people of Spain fulled because she
would be on the covers of like Spanish magazines talking
about like her Spanish upbringing in her family and how she.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Was so much to descent.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So then I think it all started, like someone just
tweeted like, isn't it interesting how Hilaria Baldwin has convinced
us all that she's Spanish when she's not, And that
kind of got picked up and just went crazy, and
she did try to explain it.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
About Laria Baldwin and the reason I bringing up this
week is not because she's on Dancing with the Stars,
but because she did this big long form interview on
the podcast Not Skinny, Not Fat with Amanda Hirsh. Yeah,
and she kind of buckled down on her story, which
is what I found interesting, because here's the thing. If
your story checks out, then you should have the facts
(27:04):
and the background to back that up, right.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Like if you said to me, I'm Spanish, and I said, okay,
can you tell me a bit about that, you would
be like, yeah, like I was born in America, but
I was like raised in Spain for this amount of years,
like I lived here, like I went to school in Spain,
like something to kind of back that up, but Laria
Borwen has like never really been able to do that.
She always like speaks in this very kind of flowery,
(27:28):
over the top and like never actually gives any detail
when asked her about her background, she.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Always puts it back on to the public in a
way that's like, you guys are being so weird for
like thinking about this for so like, yeah, bullying.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And what I thought was when I saw her pop
up on the Not Skinny but Not Sad podcast, I
was just like, oh, I'm really interested to listen to
this because Amanda hersh the host of that, and she
also has a really popular Instagram account posted a lot
about Alaria when this was coming out, like not the
mean way, but she was just like, oh my god,
this is like everyone else at the time, like this
is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
She did what like we did at the time where
it was like here's what happened, here are the facts. Yeah,
this is why it's so crazy, which is it is crazy.
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, he's so crazy. And so when I was listening
to the podcast, I'm like, oh, were you what.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Were you going to expect? What were we expecting from
this interview?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I thought that Amanda would sort of say to her,
but like, why did you do to be Spanish?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I just maybe thought that she would sort of say, like,
because I've seen her do this with people, she'd be like,
you know, because she does a live interviews with like
reality TV stars and stuff, and they'll be.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like, oh, like I didn't know, and she's like, oh,
like she's.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Really nice to the guests, like she's not trying to
like she treats them like a guest, like not that
she's interrogating them, but she'll say something like, oh, but
like you did know that this camera was on, and
you did know this was gonna blow up, and you
didn't know that person was going to say that. Like
she does sort of say like, just tell me the truth.
So I thought she'd say to Ilaria, but why did
you pretend to be Spanish when you spent your whole
life at America?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Or like how much time did you just something?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Or like how did your accent get so thick when
you hadn't lived you know something to sort of or
like were you aware when you were giving all these
interviews that it was misleading or something, especially.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Because she like had talked about it before on her
podcast so much. Yeah, and like she was pretty obvious. Yeah,
and she was like it was obvious that she was
like this is a wild thing for someone to do.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah. And then when she gets on the podcast, she
sort of says to her like, oh, Amanda says to Hilaria,
like I just want to let you know, like I
did post about that at the time, and Alaria kind
of last, so she goes, I know everyone was so
like it was COVID. Everyone was so bored like back then,
like no one had anything to say, and they kind
of laugh it off.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I'm like, that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Everyone just blames everything on COVID.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's like when all the airlines, I also know the
flights aren't going because people have forgotten how to fly.
It's like, no, you made everyone, you fired everyone, and
everyone I don't want to fly the plane.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And also like we were there, Like people talk about
COVID as if like only they were going.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Through and saw this day. I remember it happening.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I was like I was there, I remember this happen.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And also like we weren't completely in lockdown because I
was in Queensland with my family, so I remember, so
don't get Brandon, Chris, don't tell me I was bored.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I was very busy. I would have had Emily in
Paris to watch out of, like Christmas shopping and a
lot going on.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Tell me I'm bored Alaria.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah exactly. So they kind of both laughed off and
then do that thing. It sounds like I hate Larry Baldwin.
I don't actually have a lot of affection for her.
And I think if you want to pretend to be Spanish,
you'd be Spanish. That's totally fine.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
But either lean to the line.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Or say double down, or just be like, yeah, that
was wild and I did that.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah exactly, like that crazy. I got in a bit
of my mind. We're all crazy during I just.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Say I was getting booked more being Spanish, so I
leant into it. But here's what she did on that podcast,
and what she does a lot is she goes she
kind of like defers this very angelic side of her
where she doesn't address any of the facts. The facts
is that she was born in Boston, she was raised
in Boston. She went to school, I believe, primary school
and high school all the way through in Boston.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Which is the fact that it also Amanda knows.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yay, that everyone kind of knows, but no one ever
like really pushes her on it. So it's possible that
she spent a lot of holidays in Spain, and I
think that is true. I think her family would go
to Spain on their holidays, and I think that they did.
Her family there, and her parents definitely retire to Spain
and her brother moved to Spain. And there's a partner
in this podcast where she's like, I was crying to
(31:16):
my brother on the phone when it was scandal was
blowing up, and he's like, Laria, I'm in Spain and
you're talking to me in Spanish, like, do you know
it's crazy that people think you're not from Spain?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And I was like, that also doesn't mean that you're
Spanish just because your brother relocated it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
A lot of people relocate to my your car It's
like a really popular like tourist or like retirement destination
for people because it's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
It's like when your third cousin one's removed, like moves
to the US. I'm also, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It So again it sounds
like I hate Alaria Ball when I don't. I just
hate when she does this thing is what she's done
on them not skinny but not that fat podcast.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
She's just starting us into thinking we're crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, and also like we're judging her for liking other languages,
which is one hundred percent not that's how I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So in this what she's doing exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So in this interview, she goes, you know, I just
don't think it's bad to have two cultures, and I
don't think it's bad to speak two languages.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And she's making it seem.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Like she's just making she's putting words in them Outhally,
no one said it's bad to speak two languages, so
many people across the world do.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Isn't like Spanish, one of the most spoken languages in
the whole world.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Bad for women to speak.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
That is also what she's alluding to. She was like,
you know, I speak two languages and I've raised my
children to speak both languages, and I know that you
all think that that's bad, but I don't think it is.
And it's like, literally, no one is upset that you
speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
That is very impressive. You're teaching your children to speak Spanish.
Also very impressive.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's a very spoken language in America, Like, it's very
helpful to have, and it's spoken in so many countries
across the world. It's probably one of the most useful
languages to have, and a lot of people are bilingual
and that is a great thing. No, literally, no one
is saying that. What we're saying to you is that
you pretended to be a Spanish woman to get airtime
on cooking shows. She just will not hear it.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
She will not hear it. But I think, Amanda Herd.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Do you think, yeah, what did you think listening?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Because I sent this to you and I said, I
just listened to this, and I just can't stop thinking
about the fact that I just wanted to scream ask
her why she pretended to be Spanish.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I don't make it a.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Moral issue of like we're judging women for learning languages.
I'm sure there's people in the world that are doing that.
I know there's a big push for tidwives and things,
but like, not from this audience, the people who are
consuming it, and not from these women, and definitely not
from us. So I sent it to you and I
was like, you need to listen to this. I need
someone to talk to about it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'm so glad you sent it because the first thing
I saw were all the comments. Oh really, the actual
which made me want to listen to it.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Are they still there? I think they might have gone.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I want to read them.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Oh they're still there. Oh Spotify. Okay, I was looking
on them.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So these are the comments on them not Skinny but
not Fat podcast? So these are the comments directed to
Amanda her, you're pandering to her. It wasn't the misinterpretation
of Alaria. It was pure grift. Nobody said being bilingual
is bad, but it is bad to continually lie about
who you are, where you come from, and pretending you
carry the same struggles as a whole race you're not
(34:11):
part of. And also this was very hypocritical of you.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh okay, I hadn't seen that, so I think a
lot of it. I wasn't saying that. I was just like, yes,
find this interview hard to listen to?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
You.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I thought the interview was quite hard to listen to
because everything I wanted Amanda to ask she didn't. Yeah,
And I think some of the comments, pecially, a lot
of the comments are quite terrible. So I don't recommend
anyone to go read No, that's not nice. It's not nice,
especially if you're anonymous. But I think a lot of
the stuff that the comments were saying was stuff that
I actually agreed to an extent in that because Amanda
(34:42):
had such a well researched and thought out opinion about
Alaria before going into this interview, I was annoyed that
didn't come across in the interview with that. I felt
like she allowed Alaro to say those things without actually
checking in on her and being like, that's actually not true,
Like what Alara was saying was actually factually not true. Yeah,
(35:04):
And I just wish Amanda said that yeah, because we'd
have been an opportunity that would have allowed Alari to
actually been like Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, what would you have said?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That situation though, because that's all I was thinking, because
I mean, that does happen that we talk because we
talk about people on this podcast and then sometimes we
do go and interview them.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
But that's the other thing. If I was in and
I'm such a freaking hypocrite, because if I was in
the har position, I'd be the exact same.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You'd be like yeah, I'd be like, yeah, speak another languages.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, I feel like I hate society. I hate that
we're not allowed to speak multiple languages. It's so true,
like I would be in.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That fold like a cheap beach. Yeah, but also that's.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Some people's jobs here, but it's not my job. Like
if I was like had to interview, like do that
type of interview with a celebrity, I know I wouldn't
be the best person for that job.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
It's hard because.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Sometimes you can't ask them a celebrity about every sort
of controversy that they've done in an interview, especially they're
there to talk about a movie. But I think with
her it is a little bit different because.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think I could have just said like kind of
like not gave in, Like I felt like she gave
in a little.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Bit, but I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean again, I'm not going for my high horse
because I think it is Yeah, when you're interviewing someone
that's very specific. But I will say, like it is
a hazard of the business because there are celebrities that
sometimes we've talked about on this podcast in a very
like we've like called out their behavior or so we
don't agree with this and that, and then I will
get an interview offer like a few months later from there,
or a few weeks later because they're promoting something and
(36:26):
they'll be like such and such wants to come on
the pod but only to talk about her new song,
or he only wants to talk about his new movie.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I'll say like, oh, that's great.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And we'll definitely give the opportunity to do that, but
also like we'll just have to address this, this, and
this because we've said it on the pod. Yeah, Like
we can't have Tom Cruise on this pod when we've
talked about all this crazy stuff that he's done and
then be like tell us about the movie like that's bad.
Or like when Rita Ora wanted to come on and
promote her album, like we had just had all these
discussions about the black fishing situation or the COVID parties
(36:56):
and all these things. And again not that I would
have hammered them and said tell me the truth, you're
a bad person, but I'm like, you can't do a
podcast episode being like this crazy thing happened and then
be like not address it when you talk to them.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, so it is hard.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
So again I wish no ill will to Laria Baldwin.
I actually like think if you want to go off
and like make a reality show and make a podcast.
You want to be on Dancing with the Start.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Now it's gone, right, the Spanish is gone.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It's not even a hint of Spanish. In fact, it
sounds like a caricature of an American accent, like a
fake American accent.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, she's out of Dancing with the Stars. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I did feel bad for her about that.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So Yeah, Hilary Thomas as she was born before she
became Laria Baldwin was very unfortunately eliminated from Dancing with
the Stars this week. And I don't think there's anything
wrong with her wanting to be famous, Like I think
she very much wants to be famous. She wants this
big following, Like that's fine, just don't grift being Spanish.
But I did feel bad because I sent you her
exit interview where she said this, I closed the door
(37:52):
and dance on tack you no, opening it up has
been big.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Maybe I'll close the drogan.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And a lot of people were being really nasty to her,
being like when she's like maybe she's like basically saying
like I've never donce again. But I mean, she was
trying to be a dance sign and then she broke
her hip, so that's why she couldn't dance. So it
is kind of sad when you know that context.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, I'm sad to be missing her on dancing.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
What is it testing? Is that Spanish for sad?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You're gonna have to ask would you believe that both
Lara and I not Spanish?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
For God?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So yeah, we wish her all the best our non Spanish.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
What do you think she's going to do now? Back
to cooking?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, I mean again, she's got seven kids, so she's
very busy. And then she and Carmen are starting a
podcast together.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
She's going to do for the podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, it'd be so interesting. Surprise, Yeah, surprise us. Laria
love you.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
Make sure you follow us on socials. We are on
TikTok and Instagram at the Spill podcast and we will
see you tomorrow at six a m. Four weekend watch
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