September 1, 2025 • 31 mins
The Venice Film Festival is in full swing, so allow us to debrief on Emma Stone’s alien confession, Jacob Elordi’s tears and Julia Roberts’ controversial panel interview.
Plus, Sydney Sweeney has been labelled everything from a bad feminist to a Taylor Swift nemesis ever since it was reported that she was dating Scooter Braun, but when you look at the actual photo of them, there’s another story at play.
And Sabrina Carpenter’s new album is finally here, so does it live up to the early, controversial hype? And which of her famous exs are mentioned in the lyrics? We have all the answers.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to this bill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm
Laura Brodneck and I'm cassemue lu Kitch. And coming up
on the show today, Sidney Sweeney has a new lover.
Apparently I've got a few holes to poke in. This
story does be in a lot of Internet uproar. Plus,
Sabrina Carpenter's controversial new album is finally here, but doesn't
live up to the hype from when she released that photo.
(00:46):
We're going to get into that, but first first, the
eighty second Venice Film Festival is back, and this film
festival is kind of synonymous with ridiculous standing ovations and
lots of moments, and it's also like where we kind
of see our first bits for Oscars Bars and Awards season.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So it's still going on. But there's a couple of
my favorite moments that I kind of want to chat
for today. The first one I want to go into
is the new Frankenstein movie by Gamo de Torro, who
is a absolute wizard of filmmaking. So Jacob Alordi is
actually playing Frankenstein's monster. Now I know everybody, people who
(01:28):
are Frankenstein fans always get really into this, like Frankenstein
is not the monster. Frankenstein is the doctor who creates
the monster.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The monster doesn't have a name. That's the whole point
of his story is that he's not accepted by anyone.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yes, So the film itself was received really, really well.
It got a fifteen minute standing ovation, which I mean,
look anywhere else would be huge. Venice, as you said,
is known for its long standing ovations, although some of
them have only been six or eight, so fifteen is
quite long. So I actually looked it up because I
(02:01):
was very curious about what the longest standing ovation was
at the Venice Film Festival. So the longest standing ovation
was in twenty twenty four, which was the Room next door.
Can you imagine clapping the eighteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think it'd been like that horrible feeling you have
when you're standing in a room and everyone's seeing you
happy birthday, and it's like really fun for the first minute,
but after a while you don't know where to look
and what to do with your hands.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I feel like it'd be like that eighteen minutes is
a really long hour time I would have left.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But it does bode well for the movie because this
is the movie from the festival that I was most
excited to hear the responses. I love Guamanda Torro's film
so much, panslab Breath, Crimson Peak, and I also love
that he's taken a really strong stance against CGI and
special effects. He's like practical effects or nothing, and was like,
give this man an oscar. I don't even have to
see the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, jacob Elordie was talking in the press about, you know,
having to spend ten hours in makeup, so we should.
The fact that he's Frankenstein's monster and still looks that
hot is.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Did you see during the ovation that Jacob Elordie was crying, No,
he was crying. He was just so Overcolm and it
really made me love him. I mean, I've only met
him briefly a few times, and he's lovely, but he's
very kind of stoic and moody and always looking down
and sometimes gives that air that he doesn't care about
these things as much. But he was looking around the
room and just watching everyone clap and knowing he just
(03:17):
opened this like Australian boy. He just opened this movie
the Venice Film Festival and he started crying and I
was like, oh, I just melted my cold dead heart.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I know, it's like when Brendan Fraser was crying for
the while. It's just I think when you as an
actor seeing basically your peers applauding you, and in this
case for that long, it would be quite an amazing feeling. Yeah.
But yeah, watching the Brendan Fraser tear up like made
May Tier up. So Jacob Bladi, same thing. So I'm
(03:45):
really excited about that movie. The other one that I'm
super excited about is Bogonia, which is the new Emma
Stone movie, and she kind of famously has shaped her
head for this. This is a film by Yogos Lanthemos,
who did one of my favorite movies of all time,
Poor Things. Absolutely love that movie. Emmastone was also in that.
(04:06):
But the big thing that the big takeaway from that
was talking about how she now bel eats aliens.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, And when I first saw that quote, I got
very excited because I love when celebrities just unveil they
love weird things and I was like, is this like
Kesha talking about believing in ghosts? But it's a bit
different because Kesha had a demon crawl up her leg
and bite her, whereas Emma Stone, when you like watch
the full clip, she's not saying like I believe in
aliens and they're here and they're walking amongst us.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
She was saying, which.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
What I think most people believe really is what I believe,
is like the universe is so vast and wear such
a tire little speck. Of course there's something else out there,
but she doesn't think they're walking around with us, which is.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Also what I think.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I completely agree. And I think that the way that
it was clipped, it was like Emma Stone believes aliens.
I know.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I love that well because also she kind of was
a little laugh and she's like, look like she does know.
I think that she knows that's the moment that's going
to be clipped from the whole pressos.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
She's like, how do you know I'm not an alien
right now?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I mean she is, like her face was looking lovely,
so she's looking very alien like in a beautiful way.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Well, the hairs started to grow out a little bit
like actually shaved her head for it. Yeah, but yeah,
it looks like there's some really great movies, some great
red carpet moments as well. One for me is I
don't know if did you say Rosy Hunting and Whitely? Yes,
Oh my god, that woman does not age. She was
wearing this beautiful white gown with her stomach bed and
(05:30):
I was just like, you just can do absolutely no wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think the fashion at Venice is always fun to
look at because everyone arrives via boat, so you had
that moment of them like descending from the boat and
walking along those little platforms and stuff. So it's just
different to like her traditional red carpet. But yeah, overall
everyone was looking very sexy. I thought it was interesting
how Sukie Waterhouse was getting like absolutely trolled for her outfit,
and I was like, leave that poor girl alone. She's
(05:57):
just had a hernia because she was her pants were
too tired and she said it calls to hernia.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So she just recovered from that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Then she shows up in Venice and there's glitterally glittery
gold sequined two set piece with like stockings, and she
just looked I thought she I'm obsessed with her style,
and everyone's like, oh, this is what happens when you
put a foot wrong or you come to an event
too over dress like because they're saying it's too much
for a photo call. But I was like, the woman's
in Venice and she dresses like that all the time.
Just let her wear it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And also Venice is like, there's just so many different events.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
How could you even pick her out of a lineup?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
There's photo calls, there's press junkets, there's the red carpets,
there's the opening. It's like, it's a lot. Can you
imagine having to prepare all of those outfits. I can't
even prepare an outfit for two shows a week. But
the other one that I did want to talk about
is Julia Roberts. Yes, so this has caused a little
(06:49):
bit of controversy. Her new film is called After the Hunt.
Reviews of the movie have been quite mixed because the
tone is basically, she plays a Yale professor who one
of her students accuses another student of sexual assault, and
the basic thing is Julia Roberts's character doesn't necessarily believe
(07:10):
her that this is a little bit of sweeping under
the rug, and all of this and the criticism is
basically that this is setting back for me too movement.
Julia Roberts's response was basically, this is like an art piece.
You can take it how you want. But I think
that taking it that seriously I understand why people do,
(07:31):
because it is a very sensitive time, it's a sensitive topic.
But I do also think that it's a way of
critically looking at a film, like you got to look
at it in a critical way.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, I thought her response was like quite. I mean again,
without having seen the movie, like I might have it,
I might have a really strong stance once I see it,
if it if I feel like it is pushing against
the me too movement. But I thought it was like
just really refreshing. How she obviously hadn't put any caveats
in place around like which questions she would and wouldn't answer.
She was getting thrown on and all those questions were
coming to her, and she was the one who was
(08:02):
jumping in to talk about it and sort of saying like, yeah,
like this is an art piece that's not meant to
be a huge commentary on right or wrong. And I
also just found it like just super refreshing. I guess
just to have her back in the mix as like her,
because she is like those kind of old school movie
stars that you don't make anymore, like the photos of
her getting off the boat, the photos of her going
down the red carpet, coming into a press conference and
(08:23):
being like the one who is leading the room.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
There was even a moment in amongst.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
All of those like tough questions about the subject matter
where she just told all the interviewers to stop. And
then her co stars in the movie, Andrew gar Philip
and Io Debris were sitting there kind of.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I think a little bit shell shocked, like maybe iowe a.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Little bit too, because she told me like this is
so intense, and she was like, so you guys are
gott to open the drinks in front of you, the cans.
Let's do it all at one goes the sound doesn't
get interrupted, then we're gonna ask answer your question, and
just kind of was like stage managing at all. And
then Andrew Garfield just starts hysterically laughing, and he was like,
this is so funny because this is how she was
on set all the time, like just telling IOW and
I what to do. And then she walked out of there,
(09:00):
and she saw Kate blanched across the room, and the
two of them started screaming and like jumping up and
down and hugging. And I was like, even if you're
like the most famous from the world, like you see
your bestie across the room and you just slew your mind.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But it's also such a thing about her professionalism and
how experienced she is the fact that she knew, Okay,
we're not got to ruin. Sound like she just I
can so picture her being like that on set. There's
lots more to comm on the Venice Film Festival, lots
of great moments, but yeah, some really good movies that
I'm really really excited to see.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Bana Nana. So when I saw this story pop up
over the weekend, I debated whether or not we would
even talk about in the Spill because it seems so
silly and so just like not a proper news story,
even though we do love those stories here at the Spill.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But then all of my group.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Chats filled with friends who don't work in entertainment and
have nothing to do with like, you know, celebrities, pop culture,
that sort of stuff, were dropping the link for this
story and being.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like, oh, my god, is this true?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Is this real?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I feel conflicted about it, and that is the fact
that Sidney Sweeney is allegedly dating Scooter Braun.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I have some feelings about this. Now. Scooter Braun is
famously kind of got a bit of a bad reputation
for being a bit of a douche, probably most well
known for taking Taylor Swift's entire catalog, you know, paying
her out. She finally got her catalog back back in May.
But you know, he doesn't have a great reputation. You know,
he discovered Justin Bieber. You know, there's been all this
(10:23):
stuff with now Justin Bieber having to pay him back
all this money. So the vibe I get from Scooter
Braun is not like my favorite. Obviously I don't know
the guy, but the stories that come out about him.
If you're a Taylor stan you will hate Scooter Braun.
And seeing them potentially as a couple really gave me
the ick.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, And that was the vibe of the many many
people who messaged me about this, saying like, oh my god, Synis,
when you're like I used to like her. I thought
she was a girl's girl, but she's obviously not. She's
a bad feminist, all these things that I don't super
agree with. I mean, the thing is, like, again, most
people know Scooter Braun from the whole Taylor Swift thing,
but I don't know if like dating him is like
(11:04):
meant to be a stab at Taylor Swift. But here's
the thing, I don't think they're dating at all. I
don't even think they've been in the same sort of
like space together for months. If you look at the stories.
It was first reported by The Star at the time
of recording. They've taken it down. It's still down so
you can't access it. So I'm just wondering if someone
from Sydney's camp made a call. But what it is
is from the Bezos wedding a few months ago, I know,
(11:26):
such a long time ago, and it was someone who
had taken a video of her and Scooter but other
people from the wedding walking to dinner and they're just
walking side by side and they're talking to each other,
but they're also talking to the people around them, and
so that video has like made its way online. The
Star picked up they ran it with the headline are
Sydney and Scooter Dating? Every other outlet has picked up
(11:49):
and run it, And I don't know if anyone's sort
of looking at the actual footage, which it just looks
like if you're at a wedding, especially a wedding like that,
that you would go into groups and go to dinner.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's the same outfit she was wearing when it was
the Tom Brady and then there was thinking that, oh
Tom Brady and her are dating. Yeah, it's the exact
same day and the same photos and pictures, and it's
so interesting sing how you know, once someone writes something
and it's just this snowball effect and everybody picks it up.
(12:18):
I don't know, I kind of agree with you. I
feel like they probably aren't dating because Sydney's PR team
are in overdrive at the moment. She's had a not
so great couple of months, and I feel like she
probably wouldn't be making something like this public after the
last few months. I mean, her PR team would probably
(12:39):
be telling her take a step back.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well again, I mean, look, they could be dating, but
there's no videos or photos or anything of them together
since the Bezels weddings.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They would be really keeping it under wraps.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
But also people thought she was dating Tom Brady, and
then they thought she was dating Orlando Bloom from the
same wedding. Comeber that whole situation because Orlando Bloom came
to Australia where Katie Perry was touring and then they
post about their breakup, so people thought they'd had some
sort of a conversation about making it public and that
she was performing. So then Orlando went to the Bazel
sweating and he was pictured with Sydney, but again it
(13:10):
was the same thing. It was a big group photo
but cropped in so it looked like the two of
them were together. And then people were really angry at
Sidney Sweeney then because they're like, oh my god, she's
got her claws into Orlando Bloom the moment he breaks
up with Katy Perry. I just think she's in that
stage now because she broke up with her long term
fiancee Jonathan a while ago. This is the first time
we've known her at this level of fame being single.
(13:32):
So now she's in that famous Hollywood single girl trap
where anytime she stands next to someone on a red carpet,
walks out of a restaurant with them, anything like that,
people assume they're dating yeah, and this happens.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
All the time with people who were freshly single. And
I will say again, I'm going to talk about Orlando
Bloom's thighs in those images because he just wearing his
tiny little shots and I kind of hope that they
were dating, even though he just broken up with Katy Perry.
But yeah, so Sidney Sweeney as well. Because she's had
so much backlash and she's quite a sexual being, people
(14:05):
feel like they have a right to make these assumptions
about her. I don't know if it's true that they
are dating, which I don't really think it is.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I kind of wish they were.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It'd be interesting for the rest of us, it would
be very interesting. But I just don't you don't give
some meaning to our cold dead lives. But yeah, I
just don't think they are. But I also think what's
more interesting is that she would just from what we
know about her, she would just not care that the
world is debating at the moment whether she's a good feminist,
whether she's a good person, all these kinds of things.
It's just kind of like every week with her is
(14:38):
a new headline, some more serious than others.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Last week it was that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Her new movie tanked at the Box Office Americana. And
then there's a bit obviously a bit more of their
backstory of like it was a smaller film, it wasn't
meant to be a blockbuster. You know, a lot of
movies are doing badly all these things. But I just
think she's become sort of that thing. Once you attach
her name to it, it's gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Like make headlines.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah. The other thing, I was looking through some Reddit
comments just to kind of see what the general response
was to this, and it basically was like, oh my god,
Scodeborn is the worst person ever. I hate him. She's
the worst person ever. I hate her. And also, you
know the age gap, which we've talked a lot about
age gap relationships here, but yeah, he's forty four, she's
(15:17):
twenty seven. He's got three kids with his ex wife.
But yeah, it's just it just doesn't seem right.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I love how the.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Hollywood age gaps have desensitized me so much, as like
I saw their age gap and I was like, that
seems fun.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I agree, I'm so desensitized.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I was like, call me when she's twenty and he's eighty,
and then we'll have a conversation. But like that whole
thing is so messed up it like doesn't even feel
like a blip.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Okay, So our take is they are not dating?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Maybe yes, And I look forward to next time Sidney
Sweeney walks alongside a man her name being betrothed to his.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
What a fun time to be single, Nana.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So, Sabrina Carpenter has released her seventh studio album, Man's
Best Friend, with the cover that was very, very controversial.
To take us through Sabrina Carpenter's new album, we have
our pop culture and social media editor Tina Burke.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Here, Hi Teeter, Hi, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Okay. So I listened to the whole album cover to cover.
I absolutely loved it. It was sweet and quirky, and
I'm now even more obsessed with Sabrina Carpenter than I
already was. But people are still obsessed about this bloody cover.
And then now she's just released the new music video
for Tears, which is kind of like the second hit
(16:36):
song from the albums, and again people are talking about it.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I mean the music video had been teased with like
this really old school Hollywood shot of her in the grass,
like she looks up and it's just got that really
like glowy soft feature and people always saying that's what
happens when you get like a Disney Channel kid in
the music industry, like they produce these really cinematic music videos,
which she's known for.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
But she'd teased it.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
There was a little tear drop coming down from the
A and the teaser, which made me should have told
us this song was not about crying. This song was
about something a bit spicier. But yeah, she released the
music video and it's just this like full glitter dance number,
drag Queens, Common Domingos in there. There's murder, of course
there is. There's even a joke about murder in the
music video, but it's a lot. It's very showy and
very grubby.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And it's got that thing that she's done before, of
like nods to very classic movies. I never thought I
had anything in common with Sabrina Carpenter because she's a shortlonde,
blooty pop star, and as much as I love her music,
I never thought we'd be the kind of people to hang.
But the more I watch her music videos, and really
they're the music videos that excite me at the moment,
I feel like she goes old school, the way that
people used to do before social and that was their
(17:48):
only way to sell a song. She goes old school
with the production, but she references the greatest movies. Oh yeah,
and when she did Heather's and Death becomes her one
of my favorite movies. And this one's got Rocky Horror
Picture Show elements to it. When she's like the car's
broken down and she's got the Janet like costume on,
and she's crawling towards the old house and like peeks
in and sees the leg with the fishnets.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It's just like this little nod to movie.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Fans and Tina Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I've never seen it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's crazy to me.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
So sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's so upsetting.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I know the reference. Do you know this Lively?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think you want to give me a little razzleduzzle
right here on the podcast chance, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
God, I'm not that one, beautiful Grammy take a step
to them.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, I know the hoop and everyone needs to do that.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
At like kids discos, you'd be in the RSL doing
the movies.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Which is why when you watch the movie that we
were all doing that when we were kids.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But you should watch it because you like whimsy. I
do like sexy movies. You like hot people.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
This movie is all a weird little gap in my
life that my mum just forgot about maybe ten to
fifteen very culturally relevant films and never showed me them.
And then I grew up and I was like, it's
too late for me. I'm too far gone.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean look, no, no, you're not too far gone.
We're going to get your help. You recently watched The
Princess Bribe for the first time, so now you're on
the right trajectory. I'm just coming in and fixing the
way your mother didn't parent you properly. But I'm going
to make sure Anne listens to this podcast. No don't,
and then you need to watch Rocky Horror Picture Show.
It's like permeated culture.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I love that this.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, this is the magic of Sabrina Carpenter. Yes,
now we're talking about a classic movie because she's brought
to the four.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
It is her magic though, because so many people had
never seen Death Becomes Her and then when she did.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Get Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
But she's brought it up with like, you know, the
Taste music video. All these people who'd never heard of it,
suddenly they're like, let's get in there, let's watch this classic.
So that's her power, Sabrina, I will go home and
I will watch. I want to say Rocky Horror Picture
Show is the correct order.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Of those words.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Horrors. I think this kind of shows the intelligence and
the wit behind her, because you know, so many people
look at her as this like petite, little dumb blonde,
like she's got nothing to add, you know. But Rolling
Stone gave his album four out of five. And I
think the album itself is like very funny when you
(20:07):
listen to the lyrics and it's cheeky and quirky, and
she's leaning into this whole thing about the way that
men treat her and I love it.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, And I think you're right, like she kind of
and I mean, she collaped with Dolly Parton, but she
sort of plays into that Dolly parton big Blonde and beautiful,
I'm just a dumb girl thing sometimes, but obviously in
a very sarcastic, jokey way. So then bringing this music
video to life where she once again kills man and
then in the video he comes to the door and
he's still alive, and she's like, wait, I have to
kill someone every video and she stabs him with her
still atto like so good. She's playing into this thing,
(20:39):
but she's doing it perfectly. And then I think, you know,
at this moment in time in the US, the way
that things are going to have some really prominent drag
queens featuring in your music video also shows where she's
aligning and what she's tapped into into, like in the
culture as well. So it was really great to see
Common Domingo like front and center in this video. And
then he's sharing the clips everywhere and he's sharing like
protect the Dolls. I just think that was really beautiful. Yeah, yeah,
(21:01):
that's a really beautiful layer to it.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And again, like I think a lot of people think
that Sabrina Carpenter at the moment is just there for
kind of shock value. Yeah, from some of the things,
like was a whole uproar when she was touring that
she would do like a different sex position every part
of the concert. And then mums were getting really upset.
They're like, I brought my five year old to see her,
and I was like maybe five year old, and if
she's allowed to be there. Just let her see it,
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you know what I mean, don't know it's on Sabrina.
It's like as Sabrina said the time, She's like it
from me to parent your kids. And then there was
a whole uproar over this album, and now that it's
been released, people are sort of asking her what she
thinks of the uproar, and she's saying like, well, it's
not for the pearl clutches, but even the pearl clutches
might find something to like about it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
What was the guy She was like, I don't care
what Toby from Arkansas. Yeah, Toby was like, hey, I
love this album, but it's so true. It's very Taylor
Swift going. The chads and brads from the NFL like
to be like, well, I actually don't care about those men.
And in her interview with Gayl King, she was like
you afraid that? Again very Taylor Swift treatment to be like,
are you worried that men won't want to date you?
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They'll hear this album? And she was like, I'm not
afraid of men.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, I love her. She's like, I'm not afraid of men.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
And she's like, I mean sometimes I'm afraid of men
and obviously she's talking about the way any woman is
around afraid they can be terrifying, but she's not afraid
of hurting their feelings or of them not liking her
or them thinking Again, a lot of the uproar was
from men to this album cover. Like again, obviously there
were a lot of women who were upset too, And
I think it was a very hot debate, and there
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were some good points made by many people. But to
her point, like she's making this herself, she's put it
out there, she likes it, her family likes it. She's
addressed that point. People were like, oh, wearing her parents
and she's like, they saw it and they loved it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Twenty five year old woman And what did you say,
Seventh Studio, this is not a child.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, she only released her previous album last year, so
she's like smashing this out. But I just think in
the Gal King interview on the CBS Monic, she's just
talking about like, I don't mind that people view me
in this certain way, and I just made me see
her in this very act. Just think she's a very
intelligent woman and I think she's lean into it. And
(23:05):
I actually think the discourse around the album cover makes
more sense when you listen to the music on the
actual album, yeah, because the whole thing is like teasing
that moment. Like one of my favorites is the Never
Getting Laid song. Yeah, So one of the lines in
it is just like, I just hope you get agoraphobia someday.
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I wish you a lifetime of happiness and forever never
getting laid, which I'm like, that is just like hilarious. Yes,
but it's just like ballad. So she's kind of doing
this like thing and it's just witty and cute and fun,
and it makes sense as to why she would do
an album cover like that.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
And again, adult woman in a consensual sexual position on
her own album cover, Like, I don't think for me,
and I read an article about it at the time.
She's not my enemy in feminism for that cover. For
that album cover, that's certain, but okay, on the album cover.
I don't know if I'm the only one who has
this take, But there was obviously so much conversation around
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that album cover because it was her and her hands
and knees and her glorious blonde hair extensions were all
over the place, and there's this guy saying next to her,
who's like holding her up by their hair, And as
you were saying, some people were really upset about that,
and she was kind of eluding the whole time.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
She's like, wait to listen to the album. It'll makes sense.
Just wait, And it does to an extent. But I
just feel like she promised us this big kind of
bombshell controversy or something, and then when I listened to
the album, like, oh, this is a nice album and
I like it and I'll play it a lot. I
feel like the bigger moment in this release was the
album cover, and then the actual album didn't live up
to the controversy or promise.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I did expect maybe a song that was a bit
more addressing kind of what people thought of the cover,
especially with the title right Man's best Friend, the joke
about it being like men treat women like dogs, the
fact that she's been carrying dogs around everywhere with her.
You would think the given that she said that she
was like, just wait, just wait, just wait, there might
have been a song that was a bit more like feminist, still,
like a song that was addressing that concept at least,
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or a stunt or something something stunting people thought that
you might zoom out the album picture and it was
one of her girlfriends holding her hair or so I
think always.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Going to be her.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's what I wanted, and I feel like we gave her.
And even if that wasn't the original idea, I said
at the time, Sidney Sweeney, like, even if you haven't
done this, get on it and do it now, because
that would be so good if it zoomed out and
it was her pulling her own hair. And so we
were all looking for this big reveal and hidden meaning,
and then maybe that's a lesson itself. We're all looking
for this big hidden meeting and she's like, no, no,
it's just me on the floor getting my hair pulled,
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and that's it.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
And there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
There's no big reveal, there's no bigger meaning.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, so you guys wanted more from like another little
controversial I feel like. So I was so happy with it,
Like I listened to it. I listened to the interview
and I was like, yes, this all makes sense now,
Like I wasn't looking for another controversial moment from it.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I think had she not built it up, and she
built it, probably wouldn't have either, and I did listen
and I was like, I'm having a fun time.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, I'm having a fun time, But I just feel
like it was it was kind of like.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
A dropped story pot in a movie where you just like, oh, hey,
like I liked the ending, but like, what was that
thing at the beginning that we were promised kind of vibe.
But I guess like she does like to do these
little hints of controversy that sometimes she thinks they're going
to be controversial, and sometimes she doesn't, whether it's like
her performance or what she wears or things she says,
but then she wants to keep it like very reserved
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when she's doing the media around. It's like in that
Gail King interview, first of all, when Gail says, oh,
Barry Keagan, you've referenced him, And I had this horrible
thought of have I been saying that man's name, that little, tiny,
tiny Irish hot gremlin man. Have I been saying his
name wrong? But it was Gail King who was wrong. Yes,
And then she's.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Actually really just nice because sometimes I say things wrong
and if Gail King can mess.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
It up, then you know she like so judgment I've
said more wrong things today and that woman said in
her whole life.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So it's fine.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But you can just see Sabrina's face and interview, she's
like nodding and she's smiling, and her face just like
closes off and goes blank when it gets mentioned, because
she's like, I'll never say who it's about, and I'll
never say who I'm dating. I'll never say this, and
that it's up to you to work it out. So
that's what I'm like. If she's saying that, is there
more that we just haven't worked out yet?
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Well, yeah, there's a really fantastic line or like a
few lines in Go Go Juice, which is such a
fun song, Just Go Go Juice, Come on now, we
all love a drink. But she kind of lists her exes,
but she lists them as different names. So she says
John for Sean Menders, she says Larry for Barry Keen,
and then she says rhymes with a villain for Dylan O'Brien.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's just such a.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Fun way because she knows, you know, everyone's already guessing
or they've figured out who's who. All of her romances
have been papped and publicized and all of that, so
she knows everyone knows she's dated, so she's kind of
just like, well, fine, I'll have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I also love how she's like Gayega asked her, you
know these guys mine, and she's like, they kind of
like it. It's kind of fun for them.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That was so the opposite to what Taylor Swiss treatment was.
Every time she broke up with someone, it was like like,
leave me alone, I'm allowed to write a song. Yeah,
whereas now Sabrina's like, no, I love it, they love it.
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It'd be worse if you with a guy left off
the album like no one wants to be album, like
no one wants to he's walking out with his new girlfriend.
He's fine, but you know he was a tailorsa for
six years and barely got a mention on her album,
or as Maddie Healy after like what six weeks was
like in the weeds of it.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So, yeah, you don't want to be the man who's
not mentioned.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But yeah, you've made so little of an impact on
a pop star who is synonymous with making songs about
the axes that you don't get a mentioned.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Do we know what the singles are going to be
next or what else is coming from this. I've had
like one music video.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
We have and a lot of people think. So there
was a picture that was teased maybe two weeks ago
now and it's like a guy on a stool, his
back's to the camera and she's cressing his hair and
people have lined up the curls on his head to
Petro Pascal.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
What that's so good? I lost the amount of time
people have. That is the perfect use of your time.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
But it's use of free will.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And obviously, like they did that skit together on SNL,
so they've met before and have a bond, and like
people think he might be the next star of the
music video.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That would be so great.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I'm kind of thinking it could be housed or possibly
go go juice.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Oh great.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
My favorite thing about house Tour. If you haven't listened yet,
you should. It's a like joky song about inviting a
man back to your place and like she's like, no,
I'll give you the house tour, but the joke is
like I'll show you the first, second, third floor and
I'm like, in this economy.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, hell, and come upstairs.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
It's very very sau and she jokes about having chips
a hoy in the cupboard, which is like a type
of cookie, And I was like, Sabrina, I'm scandalized.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Not the cookies. That's such a like.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Kiera Sierra reference love.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's cheeky, it's.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Cheeky, it's very funny, seeky.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I think part of the.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Fun of say not to keep comparing her to Taylor,
but she is a Tay daughter in a way.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
But sometimes they like that thing.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But where Taylor's is often like what's the heartbreak? What's
the poetry? Like Sabrina's is what's this silly innuendo? So
you have a good time listening?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, we were having a great time. Well, I hope
Pedro Pascal pops up. I know people are saying he's
over it so exposed at the moment, but I think
he should just.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You know, do one perfect extra exposure. Yeah, I'd love him.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
To expose himself in this way. Is a full say
off at She was.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Very tight lipped about the Taylor Swift collabor so we've
not got to hear anything else about.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
No, But the VMA's the next week, and I'm I'm
on the lookout. We'll obviously hopefully get a Sabrina performance
of Tears get the vms. If you remember last year,
she did like a fantastic mash up of all her
shorten sweet songs that was really great. She's such a
good life performer. So I'm thinking we'll get a Tears
maybe the teas of like a second single.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
We'll know which one's coming.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
But then you know, hopefully a Taylor appearance too.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And we'll see them together.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Okay, well, TV, thank you so much for joining us
and giving us a little bit of your take on
the new album. Let us know what you guys think,
because I feel like there's even more goss in the album.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah, if you want to bop but also maybe feel sad,
I recommend you listen to Nobody's Son because I always
want to. I was like really driving along doing my
work on Friday listening and then I was like, wait, no,
this is depressing and wait.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Sobby, I was like, wait, is this about me being
single and sad? Party on?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Have a listen, guys, it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, thank you so much for listening to the Spill today,
and thank you TV for joining us right at the end. Now,
don't forget to follow this Spill on TikTok and Instagram.
The Spill is produced by Nisha Esquarren with sound production
by Scott Stronik. We'll see you back here in your
podcast speed for all of the celeb headlines at eight
am tomorrow with Morning Tea, and back with another episode
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of the Spill at three o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Bye Bye, b.
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to this bill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm
Laura Brodneck and I'm cassemue lu Kitch. And coming up
on the show today, Sidney Sweeney has a new lover.
Apparently I've got a few holes to poke in. This
story does be in a lot of Internet uproar. Plus,
Sabrina Carpenter's controversial new album is finally here, but doesn't
live up to the hype from when she released that photo.
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We're going to get into that, but first first, the
eighty second Venice Film Festival is back, and this film
festival is kind of synonymous with ridiculous standing ovations and
lots of moments, and it's also like where we kind
of see our first bits for Oscars Bars and Awards season.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So it's still going on. But there's a couple of
my favorite moments that I kind of want to chat
for today. The first one I want to go into
is the new Frankenstein movie by Gamo de Torro, who
is a absolute wizard of filmmaking. So Jacob Alordi is
actually playing Frankenstein's monster. Now I know everybody, people who
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are Frankenstein fans always get really into this, like Frankenstein
is not the monster. Frankenstein is the doctor who creates
the monster.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The monster doesn't have a name. That's the whole point
of his story is that he's not accepted by anyone.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yes, So the film itself was received really, really well.
It got a fifteen minute standing ovation, which I mean,
look anywhere else would be huge. Venice, as you said,
is known for its long standing ovations, although some of
them have only been six or eight, so fifteen is
quite long. So I actually looked it up because I
(02:01):
was very curious about what the longest standing ovation was
at the Venice Film Festival. So the longest standing ovation
was in twenty twenty four, which was the Room next door.
Can you imagine clapping the eighteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think it'd been like that horrible feeling you have
when you're standing in a room and everyone's seeing you
happy birthday, and it's like really fun for the first minute,
but after a while you don't know where to look
and what to do with your hands.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I feel like it'd be like that eighteen minutes is
a really long hour time I would have left.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But it does bode well for the movie because this
is the movie from the festival that I was most
excited to hear the responses. I love Guamanda Torro's film
so much, panslab Breath, Crimson Peak, and I also love
that he's taken a really strong stance against CGI and
special effects. He's like practical effects or nothing, and was like,
give this man an oscar. I don't even have to
see the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, jacob Elordie was talking in the press about, you know,
having to spend ten hours in makeup, so we should.
The fact that he's Frankenstein's monster and still looks that
hot is.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Did you see during the ovation that Jacob Elordie was crying, No,
he was crying. He was just so Overcolm and it
really made me love him. I mean, I've only met
him briefly a few times, and he's lovely, but he's
very kind of stoic and moody and always looking down
and sometimes gives that air that he doesn't care about
these things as much. But he was looking around the
room and just watching everyone clap and knowing he just
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opened this like Australian boy. He just opened this movie
the Venice Film Festival and he started crying and I
was like, oh, I just melted my cold dead heart.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I know, it's like when Brendan Fraser was crying for
the while. It's just I think when you as an
actor seeing basically your peers applauding you, and in this
case for that long, it would be quite an amazing feeling. Yeah.
But yeah, watching the Brendan Fraser tear up like made
May Tier up. So Jacob Bladi, same thing. So I'm
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really excited about that movie. The other one that I'm
super excited about is Bogonia, which is the new Emma
Stone movie, and she kind of famously has shaped her
head for this. This is a film by Yogos Lanthemos,
who did one of my favorite movies of all time,
Poor Things. Absolutely love that movie. Emmastone was also in that.
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But the big thing that the big takeaway from that
was talking about how she now bel eats aliens.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, And when I first saw that quote, I got
very excited because I love when celebrities just unveil they
love weird things and I was like, is this like
Kesha talking about believing in ghosts? But it's a bit
different because Kesha had a demon crawl up her leg
and bite her, whereas Emma Stone, when you like watch
the full clip, she's not saying like I believe in
aliens and they're here and they're walking amongst us.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
She was saying, which.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
What I think most people believe really is what I believe,
is like the universe is so vast and wear such
a tire little speck. Of course there's something else out there,
but she doesn't think they're walking around with us, which is.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Also what I think.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I completely agree. And I think that the way that
it was clipped, it was like Emma Stone believes aliens.
I know.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I love that well because also she kind of was
a little laugh and she's like, look like she does know.
I think that she knows that's the moment that's going
to be clipped from the whole pressos.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
She's like, how do you know I'm not an alien
right now?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I mean she is, like her face was looking lovely,
so she's looking very alien like in a beautiful way.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Well, the hairs started to grow out a little bit
like actually shaved her head for it. Yeah, but yeah,
it looks like there's some really great movies, some great
red carpet moments as well. One for me is I
don't know if did you say Rosy Hunting and Whitely? Yes,
Oh my god, that woman does not age. She was
wearing this beautiful white gown with her stomach bed and
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I was just like, you just can do absolutely no wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think the fashion at Venice is always fun to
look at because everyone arrives via boat, so you had
that moment of them like descending from the boat and
walking along those little platforms and stuff. So it's just
different to like her traditional red carpet. But yeah, overall
everyone was looking very sexy. I thought it was interesting
how Sukie Waterhouse was getting like absolutely trolled for her outfit,
and I was like, leave that poor girl alone. She's
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just had a hernia because she was her pants were
too tired and she said it calls to hernia.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So she just recovered from that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Then she shows up in Venice and there's glitterally glittery
gold sequined two set piece with like stockings, and she
just looked I thought she I'm obsessed with her style,
and everyone's like, oh, this is what happens when you
put a foot wrong or you come to an event
too over dress like because they're saying it's too much
for a photo call. But I was like, the woman's
in Venice and she dresses like that all the time.
Just let her wear it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And also Venice is like, there's just so many different events.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
How could you even pick her out of a lineup?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
There's photo calls, there's press junkets, there's the red carpets,
there's the opening. It's like, it's a lot. Can you
imagine having to prepare all of those outfits. I can't
even prepare an outfit for two shows a week. But
the other one that I did want to talk about
is Julia Roberts. Yes, so this has caused a little
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bit of controversy. Her new film is called After the Hunt.
Reviews of the movie have been quite mixed because the
tone is basically, she plays a Yale professor who one
of her students accuses another student of sexual assault, and
the basic thing is Julia Roberts's character doesn't necessarily believe
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her that this is a little bit of sweeping under
the rug, and all of this and the criticism is
basically that this is setting back for me too movement.
Julia Roberts's response was basically, this is like an art piece.
You can take it how you want. But I think
that taking it that seriously I understand why people do,
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because it is a very sensitive time, it's a sensitive topic.
But I do also think that it's a way of
critically looking at a film, like you got to look
at it in a critical way.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, I thought her response was like quite. I mean again,
without having seen the movie, like I might have it,
I might have a really strong stance once I see it,
if it if I feel like it is pushing against
the me too movement. But I thought it was like
just really refreshing. How she obviously hadn't put any caveats
in place around like which questions she would and wouldn't answer.
She was getting thrown on and all those questions were
coming to her, and she was the one who was
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jumping in to talk about it and sort of saying like, yeah,
like this is an art piece that's not meant to
be a huge commentary on right or wrong. And I
also just found it like just super refreshing. I guess
just to have her back in the mix as like her,
because she is like those kind of old school movie
stars that you don't make anymore, like the photos of
her getting off the boat, the photos of her going
down the red carpet, coming into a press conference and
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being like the one who is leading the room.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
There was even a moment in amongst.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
All of those like tough questions about the subject matter
where she just told all the interviewers to stop. And
then her co stars in the movie, Andrew gar Philip
and Io Debris were sitting there kind of.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I think a little bit shell shocked, like maybe iowe a.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Little bit too, because she told me like this is
so intense, and she was like, so you guys are
gott to open the drinks in front of you, the cans.
Let's do it all at one goes the sound doesn't
get interrupted, then we're gonna ask answer your question, and
just kind of was like stage managing at all. And
then Andrew Garfield just starts hysterically laughing, and he was like,
this is so funny because this is how she was
on set all the time, like just telling IOW and
I what to do. And then she walked out of there,
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and she saw Kate blanched across the room, and the
two of them started screaming and like jumping up and
down and hugging. And I was like, even if you're
like the most famous from the world, like you see
your bestie across the room and you just slew your mind.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But it's also such a thing about her professionalism and
how experienced she is the fact that she knew, Okay,
we're not got to ruin. Sound like she just I
can so picture her being like that on set. There's
lots more to comm on the Venice Film Festival, lots
of great moments, but yeah, some really good movies that
I'm really really excited to see.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Bana Nana. So when I saw this story pop up
over the weekend, I debated whether or not we would
even talk about in the Spill because it seems so
silly and so just like not a proper news story,
even though we do love those stories here at the Spill.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But then all of my group.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Chats filled with friends who don't work in entertainment and
have nothing to do with like, you know, celebrities, pop culture,
that sort of stuff, were dropping the link for this
story and being.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like, oh, my god, is this true?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Is this real?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I feel conflicted about it, and that is the fact
that Sidney Sweeney is allegedly dating Scooter Braun.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I have some feelings about this. Now. Scooter Braun is
famously kind of got a bit of a bad reputation
for being a bit of a douche, probably most well
known for taking Taylor Swift's entire catalog, you know, paying
her out. She finally got her catalog back back in May.
But you know, he doesn't have a great reputation. You know,
he discovered Justin Bieber. You know, there's been all this
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stuff with now Justin Bieber having to pay him back
all this money. So the vibe I get from Scooter
Braun is not like my favorite. Obviously I don't know
the guy, but the stories that come out about him.
If you're a Taylor stan you will hate Scooter Braun.
And seeing them potentially as a couple really gave me
the ick.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, And that was the vibe of the many many
people who messaged me about this, saying like, oh my god, Synis,
when you're like I used to like her. I thought
she was a girl's girl, but she's obviously not. She's
a bad feminist, all these things that I don't super
agree with. I mean, the thing is, like, again, most
people know Scooter Braun from the whole Taylor Swift thing,
but I don't know if like dating him is like
(11:04):
meant to be a stab at Taylor Swift. But here's
the thing, I don't think they're dating at all. I
don't even think they've been in the same sort of
like space together for months. If you look at the stories.
It was first reported by The Star at the time
of recording. They've taken it down. It's still down so
you can't access it. So I'm just wondering if someone
from Sydney's camp made a call. But what it is
is from the Bezos wedding a few months ago, I know,
(11:26):
such a long time ago, and it was someone who
had taken a video of her and Scooter but other
people from the wedding walking to dinner and they're just
walking side by side and they're talking to each other,
but they're also talking to the people around them, and
so that video has like made its way online. The
Star picked up they ran it with the headline are
Sydney and Scooter Dating? Every other outlet has picked up
(11:49):
and run it, And I don't know if anyone's sort
of looking at the actual footage, which it just looks
like if you're at a wedding, especially a wedding like that,
that you would go into groups and go to dinner.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's the same outfit she was wearing when it was
the Tom Brady and then there was thinking that, oh
Tom Brady and her are dating. Yeah, it's the exact
same day and the same photos and pictures, and it's
so interesting sing how you know, once someone writes something
and it's just this snowball effect and everybody picks it up.
(12:18):
I don't know, I kind of agree with you. I
feel like they probably aren't dating because Sydney's PR team
are in overdrive at the moment. She's had a not
so great couple of months, and I feel like she
probably wouldn't be making something like this public after the
last few months. I mean, her PR team would probably
(12:39):
be telling her take a step back.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well again, I mean, look, they could be dating, but
there's no videos or photos or anything of them together
since the Bezels weddings.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They would be really keeping it under wraps.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
But also people thought she was dating Tom Brady, and
then they thought she was dating Orlando Bloom from the
same wedding. Comeber that whole situation because Orlando Bloom came
to Australia where Katie Perry was touring and then they
post about their breakup, so people thought they'd had some
sort of a conversation about making it public and that
she was performing. So then Orlando went to the Bazel
sweating and he was pictured with Sydney, but again it
(13:10):
was the same thing. It was a big group photo
but cropped in so it looked like the two of
them were together. And then people were really angry at
Sidney Sweeney then because they're like, oh my god, she's
got her claws into Orlando Bloom the moment he breaks
up with Katy Perry. I just think she's in that
stage now because she broke up with her long term
fiancee Jonathan a while ago. This is the first time
we've known her at this level of fame being single.
(13:32):
So now she's in that famous Hollywood single girl trap
where anytime she stands next to someone on a red carpet,
walks out of a restaurant with them, anything like that,
people assume they're dating yeah, and this happens.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
All the time with people who were freshly single. And
I will say again, I'm going to talk about Orlando
Bloom's thighs in those images because he just wearing his
tiny little shots and I kind of hope that they
were dating, even though he just broken up with Katy Perry.
But yeah, so Sidney Sweeney as well. Because she's had
so much backlash and she's quite a sexual being, people
(14:05):
feel like they have a right to make these assumptions
about her. I don't know if it's true that they
are dating, which I don't really think it is.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I kind of wish they were.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It'd be interesting for the rest of us, it would
be very interesting. But I just don't you don't give
some meaning to our cold dead lives. But yeah, I
just don't think they are. But I also think what's
more interesting is that she would just from what we
know about her, she would just not care that the
world is debating at the moment whether she's a good feminist,
whether she's a good person, all these kinds of things.
It's just kind of like every week with her is
(14:38):
a new headline, some more serious than others.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Last week it was that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Her new movie tanked at the Box Office Americana. And
then there's a bit obviously a bit more of their
backstory of like it was a smaller film, it wasn't
meant to be a blockbuster. You know, a lot of
movies are doing badly all these things. But I just
think she's become sort of that thing. Once you attach
her name to it, it's gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Like make headlines.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah. The other thing, I was looking through some Reddit
comments just to kind of see what the general response
was to this, and it basically was like, oh my god,
Scodeborn is the worst person ever. I hate him. She's
the worst person ever. I hate her. And also, you
know the age gap, which we've talked a lot about
age gap relationships here, but yeah, he's forty four, she's
(15:17):
twenty seven. He's got three kids with his ex wife.
But yeah, it's just it just doesn't seem right.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I love how the.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Hollywood age gaps have desensitized me so much, as like
I saw their age gap and I was like, that
seems fun.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I agree, I'm so desensitized.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I was like, call me when she's twenty and he's eighty,
and then we'll have a conversation. But like that whole
thing is so messed up it like doesn't even feel
like a blip.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Okay, So our take is they are not dating?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Maybe yes, And I look forward to next time Sidney
Sweeney walks alongside a man her name being betrothed to his.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
What a fun time to be single, Nana.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So, Sabrina Carpenter has released her seventh studio album, Man's
Best Friend, with the cover that was very, very controversial.
To take us through Sabrina Carpenter's new album, we have
our pop culture and social media editor Tina Burke.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Here, Hi Teeter, Hi, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Okay. So I listened to the whole album cover to cover.
I absolutely loved it. It was sweet and quirky, and
I'm now even more obsessed with Sabrina Carpenter than I
already was. But people are still obsessed about this bloody cover.
And then now she's just released the new music video
for Tears, which is kind of like the second hit
(16:36):
song from the albums, and again people are talking about it.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I mean the music video had been teased with like
this really old school Hollywood shot of her in the grass,
like she looks up and it's just got that really
like glowy soft feature and people always saying that's what
happens when you get like a Disney Channel kid in
the music industry, like they produce these really cinematic music videos,
which she's known for.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
But she'd teased it.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
There was a little tear drop coming down from the
A and the teaser, which made me should have told
us this song was not about crying. This song was
about something a bit spicier. But yeah, she released the
music video and it's just this like full glitter dance number,
drag Queens, Common Domingos in there. There's murder, of course
there is. There's even a joke about murder in the
music video, but it's a lot. It's very showy and
very grubby.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And it's got that thing that she's done before, of
like nods to very classic movies. I never thought I
had anything in common with Sabrina Carpenter because she's a shortlonde,
blooty pop star, and as much as I love her music,
I never thought we'd be the kind of people to hang.
But the more I watch her music videos, and really
they're the music videos that excite me at the moment,
I feel like she goes old school, the way that
people used to do before social and that was their
(17:48):
only way to sell a song. She goes old school
with the production, but she references the greatest movies. Oh yeah,
and when she did Heather's and Death becomes her one
of my favorite movies. And this one's got Rocky Horror
Picture Show elements to it. When she's like the car's
broken down and she's got the Janet like costume on,
and she's crawling towards the old house and like peeks
in and sees the leg with the fishnets.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It's just like this little nod to movie.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Fans and Tina Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I've never seen it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's crazy to me.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
So sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's so upsetting.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I know the reference. Do you know this Lively?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think you want to give me a little razzleduzzle
right here on the podcast chance, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
God, I'm not that one, beautiful Grammy take a step
to them.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, I know the hoop and everyone needs to do that.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
At like kids discos, you'd be in the RSL doing
the movies.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Which is why when you watch the movie that we
were all doing that when we were kids.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But you should watch it because you like whimsy. I
do like sexy movies. You like hot people.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
This movie is all a weird little gap in my
life that my mum just forgot about maybe ten to
fifteen very culturally relevant films and never showed me them.
And then I grew up and I was like, it's
too late for me. I'm too far gone.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean look, no, no, you're not too far gone.
We're going to get your help. You recently watched The
Princess Bribe for the first time, so now you're on
the right trajectory. I'm just coming in and fixing the
way your mother didn't parent you properly. But I'm going
to make sure Anne listens to this podcast. No don't,
and then you need to watch Rocky Horror Picture Show.
It's like permeated culture.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I love that this.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, this is the magic of Sabrina Carpenter. Yes,
now we're talking about a classic movie because she's brought
to the four.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
It is her magic though, because so many people had
never seen Death Becomes Her and then when she did.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Get Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
But she's brought it up with like, you know, the
Taste music video. All these people who'd never heard of it,
suddenly they're like, let's get in there, let's watch this classic.
So that's her power, Sabrina, I will go home and
I will watch. I want to say Rocky Horror Picture
Show is the correct order.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Of those words.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Horrors. I think this kind of shows the intelligence and
the wit behind her, because you know, so many people
look at her as this like petite, little dumb blonde,
like she's got nothing to add, you know. But Rolling
Stone gave his album four out of five. And I
think the album itself is like very funny when you
(20:07):
listen to the lyrics and it's cheeky and quirky, and
she's leaning into this whole thing about the way that
men treat her and I love it.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, And I think you're right, like she kind of
and I mean, she collaped with Dolly Parton, but she
sort of plays into that Dolly parton big Blonde and beautiful,
I'm just a dumb girl thing sometimes, but obviously in
a very sarcastic, jokey way. So then bringing this music
video to life where she once again kills man and
then in the video he comes to the door and
he's still alive, and she's like, wait, I have to
kill someone every video and she stabs him with her
still atto like so good. She's playing into this thing,
(20:39):
but she's doing it perfectly. And then I think, you know,
at this moment in time in the US, the way
that things are going to have some really prominent drag
queens featuring in your music video also shows where she's
aligning and what she's tapped into into, like in the
culture as well. So it was really great to see
Common Domingo like front and center in this video. And
then he's sharing the clips everywhere and he's sharing like
protect the Dolls. I just think that was really beautiful. Yeah, yeah,
(21:01):
that's a really beautiful layer to it.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And again, like I think a lot of people think
that Sabrina Carpenter at the moment is just there for
kind of shock value. Yeah, from some of the things,
like was a whole uproar when she was touring that
she would do like a different sex position every part
of the concert. And then mums were getting really upset.
They're like, I brought my five year old to see her,
and I was like maybe five year old, and if
she's allowed to be there. Just let her see it,
(21:24):
you know what I mean, don't know it's on Sabrina.
It's like as Sabrina said the time, She's like it
from me to parent your kids. And then there was
a whole uproar over this album, and now that it's
been released, people are sort of asking her what she
thinks of the uproar, and she's saying like, well, it's
not for the pearl clutches, but even the pearl clutches
might find something to like about it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
What was the guy She was like, I don't care
what Toby from Arkansas. Yeah, Toby was like, hey, I
love this album, but it's so true. It's very Taylor
Swift going. The chads and brads from the NFL like
to be like, well, I actually don't care about those men.
And in her interview with Gayl King, she was like
you afraid that? Again very Taylor Swift treatment to be like,
are you worried that men won't want to date you?
(22:01):
They'll hear this album? And she was like, I'm not
afraid of men.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, I love her. She's like, I'm not afraid of men.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
And she's like, I mean sometimes I'm afraid of men
and obviously she's talking about the way any woman is
around afraid they can be terrifying, but she's not afraid
of hurting their feelings or of them not liking her
or them thinking Again, a lot of the uproar was
from men to this album cover. Like again, obviously there
were a lot of women who were upset too, And
I think it was a very hot debate, and there
(22:26):
were some good points made by many people. But to
her point, like she's making this herself, she's put it
out there, she likes it, her family likes it. She's
addressed that point. People were like, oh, wearing her parents
and she's like, they saw it and they loved it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Twenty five year old woman And what did you say,
Seventh Studio, this is not a child.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, she only released her previous album last year, so
she's like smashing this out. But I just think in
the Gal King interview on the CBS Monic, she's just
talking about like, I don't mind that people view me
in this certain way, and I just made me see
her in this very act. Just think she's a very
intelligent woman and I think she's lean into it. And
(23:05):
I actually think the discourse around the album cover makes
more sense when you listen to the music on the
actual album, yeah, because the whole thing is like teasing
that moment. Like one of my favorites is the Never
Getting Laid song. Yeah, So one of the lines in
it is just like, I just hope you get agoraphobia someday.
(23:25):
I wish you a lifetime of happiness and forever never
getting laid, which I'm like, that is just like hilarious. Yes,
but it's just like ballad. So she's kind of doing
this like thing and it's just witty and cute and fun,
and it makes sense as to why she would do
an album cover like that.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
And again, adult woman in a consensual sexual position on
her own album cover, Like, I don't think for me,
and I read an article about it at the time.
She's not my enemy in feminism for that cover. For
that album cover, that's certain, but okay, on the album cover.
I don't know if I'm the only one who has
this take, But there was obviously so much conversation around
(24:06):
that album cover because it was her and her hands
and knees and her glorious blonde hair extensions were all
over the place, and there's this guy saying next to her,
who's like holding her up by their hair, And as
you were saying, some people were really upset about that,
and she was kind of eluding the whole time.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
She's like, wait to listen to the album. It'll makes sense.
Just wait, And it does to an extent. But I
just feel like she promised us this big kind of
bombshell controversy or something, and then when I listened to
the album, like, oh, this is a nice album and
I like it and I'll play it a lot. I
feel like the bigger moment in this release was the
album cover, and then the actual album didn't live up
to the controversy or promise.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I did expect maybe a song that was a bit
more addressing kind of what people thought of the cover,
especially with the title right Man's best Friend, the joke
about it being like men treat women like dogs, the
fact that she's been carrying dogs around everywhere with her.
You would think the given that she said that she
was like, just wait, just wait, just wait, there might
have been a song that was a bit more like feminist, still,
like a song that was addressing that concept at least,
(25:02):
or a stunt or something something stunting people thought that
you might zoom out the album picture and it was
one of her girlfriends holding her hair or so I
think always.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Going to be her.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's what I wanted, and I feel like we gave her.
And even if that wasn't the original idea, I said
at the time, Sidney Sweeney, like, even if you haven't
done this, get on it and do it now, because
that would be so good if it zoomed out and
it was her pulling her own hair. And so we
were all looking for this big reveal and hidden meaning,
and then maybe that's a lesson itself. We're all looking
for this big hidden meeting and she's like, no, no,
it's just me on the floor getting my hair pulled,
(25:31):
and that's it.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
And there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
There's no big reveal, there's no bigger meaning.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, so you guys wanted more from like another little
controversial I feel like. So I was so happy with it,
Like I listened to it. I listened to the interview
and I was like, yes, this all makes sense now,
Like I wasn't looking for another controversial moment from it.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I think had she not built it up, and she
built it, probably wouldn't have either, and I did listen
and I was like, I'm having a fun time.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, I'm having a fun time, But I just feel
like it was it was kind of like.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
A dropped story pot in a movie where you just like, oh, hey,
like I liked the ending, but like, what was that
thing at the beginning that we were promised kind of vibe.
But I guess like she does like to do these
little hints of controversy that sometimes she thinks they're going
to be controversial, and sometimes she doesn't, whether it's like
her performance or what she wears or things she says,
but then she wants to keep it like very reserved
(26:21):
when she's doing the media around. It's like in that
Gail King interview, first of all, when Gail says, oh,
Barry Keagan, you've referenced him, And I had this horrible
thought of have I been saying that man's name, that little, tiny,
tiny Irish hot gremlin man. Have I been saying his
name wrong? But it was Gail King who was wrong. Yes,
And then she's.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Actually really just nice because sometimes I say things wrong
and if Gail King can mess.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
It up, then you know she like so judgment I've
said more wrong things today and that woman said in
her whole life.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So it's fine.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But you can just see Sabrina's face and interview, she's
like nodding and she's smiling, and her face just like
closes off and goes blank when it gets mentioned, because
she's like, I'll never say who it's about, and I'll
never say who I'm dating. I'll never say this, and
that it's up to you to work it out. So
that's what I'm like. If she's saying that, is there
more that we just haven't worked out yet?
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Well, yeah, there's a really fantastic line or like a
few lines in Go Go Juice, which is such a
fun song, Just Go Go Juice, Come on now, we
all love a drink. But she kind of lists her exes,
but she lists them as different names. So she says
John for Sean Menders, she says Larry for Barry Keen,
and then she says rhymes with a villain for Dylan O'Brien.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's just such a.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Fun way because she knows, you know, everyone's already guessing
or they've figured out who's who. All of her romances
have been papped and publicized and all of that, so
she knows everyone knows she's dated, so she's kind of
just like, well, fine, I'll have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I also love how she's like Gayega asked her, you
know these guys mine, and she's like, they kind of
like it. It's kind of fun for them.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That was so the opposite to what Taylor Swiss treatment was.
Every time she broke up with someone, it was like like,
leave me alone, I'm allowed to write a song. Yeah,
whereas now Sabrina's like, no, I love it, they love it.
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It'd be worse if you with a guy left off
the album like no one wants to be album, like
no one wants to he's walking out with his new girlfriend.
He's fine, but you know he was a tailorsa for
six years and barely got a mention on her album,
or as Maddie Healy after like what six weeks was
like in the weeds of it.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So, yeah, you don't want to be the man who's
not mentioned.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But yeah, you've made so little of an impact on
a pop star who is synonymous with making songs about
the axes that you don't get a mentioned.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Do we know what the singles are going to be
next or what else is coming from this. I've had
like one music video.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
We have and a lot of people think. So there
was a picture that was teased maybe two weeks ago
now and it's like a guy on a stool, his
back's to the camera and she's cressing his hair and
people have lined up the curls on his head to
Petro Pascal.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
What that's so good? I lost the amount of time
people have. That is the perfect use of your time.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
But it's use of free will.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And obviously, like they did that skit together on SNL,
so they've met before and have a bond, and like
people think he might be the next star of the
music video.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That would be so great.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I'm kind of thinking it could be housed or possibly
go go juice.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Oh great.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
My favorite thing about house Tour. If you haven't listened yet,
you should. It's a like joky song about inviting a
man back to your place and like she's like, no,
I'll give you the house tour, but the joke is
like I'll show you the first, second, third floor and
I'm like, in this economy.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, hell, and come upstairs.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
It's very very sau and she jokes about having chips
a hoy in the cupboard, which is like a type
of cookie, And I was like, Sabrina, I'm scandalized.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Not the cookies. That's such a like.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Kiera Sierra reference love.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's cheeky, it's.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Cheeky, it's very funny, seeky.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I think part of the.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Fun of say not to keep comparing her to Taylor,
but she is a Tay daughter in a way.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
But sometimes they like that thing.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But where Taylor's is often like what's the heartbreak? What's
the poetry? Like Sabrina's is what's this silly innuendo? So
you have a good time listening?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, we were having a great time. Well, I hope
Pedro Pascal pops up. I know people are saying he's
over it so exposed at the moment, but I think
he should just.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You know, do one perfect extra exposure. Yeah, I'd love him.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
To expose himself in this way. Is a full say
off at She was.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Very tight lipped about the Taylor Swift collabor so we've
not got to hear anything else about.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
No, But the VMA's the next week, and I'm I'm
on the lookout. We'll obviously hopefully get a Sabrina performance
of Tears get the vms. If you remember last year,
she did like a fantastic mash up of all her
shorten sweet songs that was really great. She's such a
good life performer. So I'm thinking we'll get a Tears
maybe the teas of like a second single.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
We'll know which one's coming.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
But then you know, hopefully a Taylor appearance too.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And we'll see them together.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Okay, well, TV, thank you so much for joining us
and giving us a little bit of your take on
the new album. Let us know what you guys think,
because I feel like there's even more goss in the album.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah, if you want to bop but also maybe feel sad,
I recommend you listen to Nobody's Son because I always
want to. I was like really driving along doing my
work on Friday listening and then I was like, wait, no,
this is depressing and wait.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Sobby, I was like, wait, is this about me being
single and sad? Party on?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Have a listen, guys, it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, thank you so much for listening to the Spill today,
and thank you TV for joining us right at the end. Now,
don't forget to follow this Spill on TikTok and Instagram.
The Spill is produced by Nisha Esquarren with sound production
by Scott Stronik. We'll see you back here in your
podcast speed for all of the celeb headlines at eight
am tomorrow with Morning Tea, and back with another episode
(31:33):
of the Spill at three o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Bye Bye, b.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.