August 27, 2025 • 39 mins
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce have announced their engagement via a series of romantic photos shared between their Instagram accounts, and these photos are packed with so many secrets that event the most hardcore of Swiftis are scrambling to decifer them. From the location to the hidden meaning behind the flowers and the celebrities who liked or avoided her post, there is just so much to discuss.
Plus, the most hated boyfriend on TV has spoken and let's just say things are not looking good for this The Summer I Turned Pretty star, but he’s not the only one who has suffered this fate.
And Britney Spears said that her splashy wedding to Sam Asghari was nothing but a distraction, which has led us to look back at the troubling day through a whole new lens.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
From Mama Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop
culture Fix. I'm Cassanuelo Kitch and I'm Laura Brudnick. Today
on the show, we have found the most hated boyfriend
on television the summer I turned pretty star Jeremiah has
packing some serious heat and we dive deep into Britney
(00:45):
Spears's latest Instagram post.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But first, before we get into all that, we have
had some huge breaking news today of the Taylor Swift Variety.
And to break down this news, because it's Taylor Swift,
It's full of hidden meanings and secret locations and things
you'd only know if you read a poem she wrote
on Tumblr thirty years ago. We have Australia's resident. I
don't even feel bad saying that, because I feel it's true.
(01:10):
Is Residence Swifty. Expert Mum and Me is pop culture
and social media editor Tina Burke. Yay, it's the best
save my life and it's the best day of your life.
Like literally, you came to work, you've got a white skirt.
Someone gave you a flower.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Someone gave me a flower. The lovely Ellie from our
office bought me a rose.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
As though I am engaged, I feel like a lot
of people are celebrating this today. So take me through.
So the photos come up on Instagram about four am
Australia time, and I feel like half the women in
Australia just woke up instinctively.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Look, I mean, it wasn't me because I was deep
in slumber, because like to know, I'm an insomniac. I stay,
I really like, So I did not wake up on
a whim. But I know so many people who, yeah,
just like woke up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And so I said, like a bat. If she had
put that up at one am, I wouldn't We would
have been there. We would have been there. The lamp
was not happy with what I just said. I'm sure
when her weddings photos come out will be on top
of that. Hopefully I'm going to be just awake all
the time from now on, so I don't miss anything, Okay,
So take me through the announcement. It was. It was
a series of photos a carousel on her Instagram collabed
with Travis. Yes, slightly unfortunate that. What's his Instagram name?
(02:11):
Killer Killer Trav. Okay, what are you going to do?
You can't change a man. You can't change a man.
But I do absolutely love that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, Like imagine sharing your engagement arguably one of like
the biggest celebrity engagements of our modern day, the biggest
librityub Yeah, and your boyfriend now handle is Killer Trav. Like,
I just love collubbed with Killer Trav and I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I feel like she's so into it. She loves that. Okay,
take a shro what was in the photos? What was
the caption?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So it's kind of them in some matching rough Lauren
ensembles already sold out. Fans of investigated down the dress.
The dress is sold out. There we go. He's got
like a knit jump briefing on. That's also right. She
Ralph Floren girls here, like she doesn't really have like brand,
but she's you know, that does fit her whole vibe right,
(02:54):
her house by the sea, you know, her life, her
obsession with the Kennedy's. That feels very rough, Lauren.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, you know, she freaking loss, she loves She's just
a girl. She's just a girl.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, so it's quite like maybe classical American engagement.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Vibes is what you get from these. They meant to match.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't know because it's hard to tell if this
is when they got engaged or if this is an engagement.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Shit that's gonna ask you, because I think it is
an engagement shoot me too, not the actual engagement moment.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I agree, and look, Taylor Swift is Taylor Swift. Maybe
she'd love it. But if I went and got engaged
and then there's like a man hiding in the bushes
for photographing it, that's not for me. So I do
think this is a photo shoot after the fat maybe
it's the same day, but I do think it's like
an intentional engagement shoot, as many people do.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And it looks beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So they're in this like rosy garden, which actually people
have found out slush Also, Travis Kelsey's dad confirmed is
at Travis's home, but he had sort of transformed it
into this beautiful, elaborate rose garden. Who knows what the
flower budget was, but the Mary a billionaire, you were fine, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I was so impressed that was his garden. I don't
know why. He just didn't strike me as a man
that would have a whimsical garden.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, it's got a whimsical fence and gay, it's very nice.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I love like they were trying to be so sort
of like not covert because they put the photos out,
but they put the very stage photos out. You can
see they've been curated and like care chosen. And then
Travis Kelsey's dad just gets on a few different radio shows,
a few different morning shows, like he was doing the
media around.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I would love to Kelsey parents, yeah, because they are
so like they're sound the footballers. They're obviously very famous themselves, yeah,
but it's a level of fame that they're not used to.
And the Kelsey parents accidentally say things all the time,
but they're really sweet about it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like Donna was interviewed literally.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
The day before all the pictures drop, which is Travis's mum,
and she's like, he's settled, he knows what he wants
and she was like, and I can't say anything else,
and then always so engaged.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They're like, surprise, it's an engagement.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But yeah, there's like a photo of them in a
like chair looking cute close up of the beautiful ring,
just like a nice shot of them together, a couple
of nice shots.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yes, yeah, and you know, very simple caption, but very millennial,
which is Taylor's's bread and butter. She wrote, your English
teacher and your gym teacher are getting married.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You can just tell that she was so chilled when
she thought of that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, and there was a tweet a while ago joking
about like when the pe teacher and the English teacher
at your high school hook car and someone's like, wait,
did she see my tweet?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh my god, No, No, that's always been a joke about.
It's always been a joke. Yeah, especially different, like they're
like an odd couple together, and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
She's got that vibe right. If she was not a
famous woman, she'd probably be an English teacher. And then
he's like the dumb jock and they play into that
with like her song so high School. So she put
the post on her Instagram story puts so high School
over it. So like, imagine being that famous that you
can like soundtrack your own engagement.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
To your own song.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You wrote, what a lovely moment. I'm being a bit whimsical.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Sorry, no love again. This is your special day. The
fact that you're not crying, it's actually huge. So we'll
see what happens towards the end of the towards the
end of the podcast and things get more emotional.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is there any significance with the garden? That's what I
was thinking kind of. I think Swift is what we
can do, is we can assign meaning to anything.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh no, guy, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, there's this thing called tay Voodoo, which is not
exactly related, but it's just this sort of concept that
like anyone who wrongs Taylor Swift will kind of get
their karma, and like Tavod who comes around and gets you,
where's the light and where's the lights?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Her enemies have fallen?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But so I do think with Easter eggs, obviously she's
very intentional about it, but I also just think that
tay Voodoo is alive and well and just things turn
out for her even when she doesn't plan. So like, yes,
she does have some lyrics, Like you know, on Tortured
Poets Department, she has a song called I Hate It
here and that I was like, yeah, because the first
time I really related to Tailor Swift, and like there's
a lyric in the song where she's like she wants
to escape to secret gardens in her mind. There's obviously
(06:23):
a link to like, the photo shoot for her Lover
album was in a very very similar looking rose garden,
so people are kind of like, she finally found like
her lasting lover era in this beautiful rose garden.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, kind of cute. That's my cold dead heart, because
is a tough day for me because I didn't love romance.
And I mean, I'm happy she's happy, but the funniest
sweet I saw someone was like, wow, today the army
of unmarried women their thirties have lost their strongest future.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Oh I felt that deep as someone who has been, like,
you know, a fan of Tailor Swift since I was
a teen, since she was a teen, and like her
life has soundtracked my own life to you know, lose
our ultimate single girl des by the fact that she's
been in so many romans.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is she's just wile that everyone calls her the ultimate
single girl and she was for like six years. She's
literally never been single. She's always hey now hey, now
that wasn't say in a bad way, but she's just
someone who always a new romance on the horizon.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She had a couple of single years. But then you know,
she really went helpful lather on the love.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes, but that oh my god, let's have a fue
road now.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But no, it is it's this weird thing to lose,
like so parasocial. But it's like you're losing that like
last single friend. But in a way that also feels
like I feel very parasocial clearly about this, which I've
never felt for her other romances. But it just makes
me feel really happy for her that this is the
thing she wanted to be loved out loud and to
be appreciated by someone, and she spoke about it on
the pod and to them find out shortly after or
(07:41):
around the time of the pod they got engaged.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That's so good. Yeah, do you think it was before
or after?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, so there's a lot of conspiracy throwing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh please tell me. I love the conspiracy heroes.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I do think one of my favorites is And I
said this to my friends this morning and they were like, well,
that's investigative journalism, and so like, when do you think
it was? I'm like, well, he had a haircut, so
it's certainly recent because he had this really like floppy nineties.
You over the summer and then he like he always
cuts his hair before the season starts, so in around
July he cut his hair and he had the haircut
on the New Heights podcast. She had the same nails
(08:11):
on the New Heights podcast that she has. She's wearing
a similar lipstick. Some people think they got engaged the
day of the pod.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I think you're crazy. They had such a good podka.
I'm going to say, when you have a good podcast record,
you are in a hart. Should we get engaged later?
I don't know, Laura, I don't know what's gonna happen
to us. Maybe he just like, you come out in
such a good mood that you get engaged. Should we Yeah?
Like maybe I don't buy that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I'm like, I think he would have blointed out a
little bit more than yeah, But I think I think
it was recent. Ishy is My favorite thing is that
there's a scene, I guess because it's all filmed, we're
in podcast now. Hey, he looks at the camera and
she calls him her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
She's like, yeah, my boyfriend. And he looks and he
does her like he's like Biden this lip and he
looks cheeky, and I'm like, wait, was this before you
proposed or had you propose in you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Are liars, Like what is do you think they had
to do a pick up? You know, how to pick
up the podcast where they're producers, Like, guys, that was
so great, Taylor, you were great. You were great, Jason,
take a breath, trav Can you just pick up where
you go back and say boyfriend unless you guys want
to announce. I think they did a pick up.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I think they did intern brand and was like, sorry, guys,
roll that back. Yeah, this is such a lift the
curtain on podcast. Yeah, it's nice to be in sync
with Taylor swiftwing boys than one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Okay told to me about the ring because that was
a whole situation.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Oh my gosh, the ring. So I'm interviewing you like
you were there the ring because you've really invested in this.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The ring is enormous.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So obviously everyone possibly maybe the Spillers, is watching the
Summer return pretty at the moment. So the first reaction
everyone had online was to compare this rock of a
ring to Jeremiah's ring for Belly, because Taylor Swift is
so synonymous. This summer I return, I.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Saw everyone just attacking that man, and I'm like, as
we'll get to later in the show, it was like,
stop beating his body, He's already leave him alone, poor boy.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But that was like all over social media this morning.
Because this ring is ridiculous. You'd be like, how heavy?
So it's estimated to be between seven and ten carrots
a basil setting, besil. I'm not engaged if you can't
tell him, certainly not looking at rings.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm sure a lot of engage people wouldn't also know
the answer to that.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's a setting and the main diamond is flanked by
half moons of little diamonds plus a small rounding of jewels,
which gives it a vintage feel. And it is a
massive again, I don't know this old mind brilliant cut diamond.
When I saw that, I was like, are they just
saying it's brilliant? No, apparently that's the cut. So it's
this massive, massive rock that's estimated between like one million
(10:30):
to five million US.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I'd say it's probably on the five million.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, people mad said five million, And I trust them
with my too.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I trust them about people have a feeling. Tree Pain
was on the phone this morning. Yeah, yeah, she was
like giving out ring details. Does it have like engravings
on something that mean to I just feel like Travis
would have been really stressed about this. But do you
think he actually picks the ring by himself or Taylor?
I reckon they would have been involved.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Like I don't think a man just picks this ring along. Okay,
that's a big broad sweeping say, especially this man. Especially
this man, I don't think he would have I think
it's very her, right, It's very like she loves vintag things.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
She loves that look and feel.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It feels very her to have this ring. It's not
for everyone. A lot of people on Twitter hate it.
I hate their business.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But also a lot of people just hate her style,
how she dressed. She's steel so very distinct style. And
I say this with love in my heart. It's real
basic bitch in a way. Oh it is. And that's
and I love it because I feel the same way.
And I feel like she saw that ring and was
just like that's the one I want.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I agree, and like you can see her glittering diamond
watch in the background, Like this is just her vibe.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And when you can buy yourself anything and you have.
It's different for a lot of people, they're like, this
is the one beautiful piece of jewelry I'll ever own.
But if you already have a collection of like priceless
jewelry and you can buy yourself anything you want, you're
going to be looking for like one with very special
meaning that that huge tall man puts on your finger.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if it came out that
this belonged to like Elizabeth, if it belongs to Elizabeth
Taylor engraved like their numbers or something on it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like I'm sure there's a d cravings on it.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You can't really see, not that we can see yet,
but like I'm sure, like trust me some Swifties that someone.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, oh my god, Yeah I love that. Okay, so
the post went up. It went crazy. We hate to
do this to get a little bit in the weeds
and the messiness, but like all eyes are on, Like
people have quit their day jobs to follow this part
of the story of which celebrities have liked it and
which celebrities have yet to like it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, to like it's the nicest way to put that. Yeah, Okay, look,
it's a hefty list millions. It has very.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Clearly every single person we have time.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It has very quickly become one of the most liked pictures.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, I saw all these tracking boards of like the
most like pictures on Instagram. How Quicket's going up and
how much more it has to go.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, it's got like tens of millions to go before
it beats the most liked. But it's already one of
her like most liked pictures. So twenty four million at
this point in time of recording have liked the picture.
A personal favorite duo of mine is Megan Markle and
Keith Middleton have both liked the picture. It's definitely decide
to come together over tails.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
This engagement.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
That's all those crazy kids needed. I think that's all
they needed. This is going to be the thing that
pulls them back together for sure. Obviously, Sabrina Carpenter, you're
Jack Antonoffs, You're good close friends of the couple have
obviously all been sharing it all the Kelsey family. I
just know that some of those famous people are mad
that she turns her comments off, her comments off on everything.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So it's just I get this stay who liked it who?
Because they would be still so excited. You know how
like in comments people have to say, no, you just
know it's still so excited for you, so excited since
this time last week when you told me love you
so much. Can't wait for the wedding which I will
be invited to.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You just know donnic Kelsey had something to say she
was ready or she'll dog talk those I talked about
that I can't wait. But obviously one of the most
interesting ones is that Carliekloss liked the post so huge,
huge news, one of the most famous, like friendship breakups
about modern age. Also, I mean we have to acknowledge
when we have to acknowledge parts of history in the world. Yes,
(13:46):
Carlie Kloss the gay laws which having a huge day.
That's the name of the subsection of Swifties who believe
that Carlie Closs and Taylor Swift were in a relationship
that was romantic and there's like things that have happened
over time.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You have never waivered in their devotion.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And even still they're making memes that are like acting
as though Taylor has been engaged or proposed to under
like dress.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, like they don't believe it's Some people like, oh
my God, has anyone on Carlie Cours Is she okay?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Isn't she like heavily pregnant with her third child, married
Children's Dinner with she was still in there with the chests.
But yes, so she liked the post, which is obviously
she went to the Era's tour, but wasn't in the
fancy VP section. She brought her own tickets, her own tickets,
walked up those stairs and was that at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Then Taylor played the song that's supposed staring.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, she played her song that some fans believe was
about Carly and you know what, we've all had a
friendship breakup and actually kind of sounds a lot like
a romantic one if you sing a song about it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, there's a lot of song lyrically. The shape of
your body is new and like the streets she lived on,
the gates they went through. So not to speak on
your tease, but maybe I'm just saying that I've seen no, no,
I've seen the point the.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Power point adds up a really good PowerPoint will convinced
me of power point could tell you any topic. It's true,
and you know, they're really dug into the things. Over
the years I definitely think she has written songs about Carlie.
She has spoken about it at length. I've been convinced
at times so like it's a big deal to obviously they.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Had a torrid romantic breakup, or Carli Kass secretly helped
Scooter Born write her music from underneath her, whether by
accident or doing it on purpose, there's no other way.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, when Carlie's friendship with like Scooter and Katie Perry
obviously became a big thing. So yes, very fraud breakdown
of a relationship.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Then fine.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Now, however, was carl it Kloss had to like that?
Because she didn't, it would have been such a public statement, Yes,
but it was more her going to the Erros tour
that I think may sove the edge. But anyway, glad
for her. Who else didn't like it?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Well, this is where things get dicey. So one of
Taylor's former friends Carlie may have liked the post. However,
the one that's currently missing is Blake Lively.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes, and again we don't want to bring too much
of that chatter, which we will probably do later on
the podcast into such a happy day, but I do
feel for Blake Lively and Taylor Swift at the moment,
because if what we think is happening is happening, that
they've had a huge falling out of a decade long
friendship over a legal situation, and it's Blake's birthday this week,
which people think Taylor Swift did this, which is crazy.
(16:09):
That's just a lot of she knows evehn, Taylor Swift
wouldn't do no. But also I feel bad for Blake
Lively now because all eyes are on her and it's
going to be this huge statement if she doesn't like it,
and she was posting on Instagram, well, so she can't pretend, so.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It's not Yeah, it's very much like a she has
not liked the post and whatever they're going through, that's
their business. But obviously its we make it out business.
But obviously the Internet has very much kept an eye
on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
This morning. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, beautiful. Nonetheless, I just
think it was in his many interview rounds this morning,
Travis Kelsey's dad was talking about the fact that Travis
like when An asked Taylor Stiff's dad for permission, which
I feel like she would have liked. She feels old school, right, yes,
And he had told all the family members he was
going to do it, and he said. One of the
reasons Travis was like, Okay, I'm going to do it
right now this month is that both their families were
(16:54):
like pushing them to do it, which at the end
of the day, like I just love it. No matter
how famous you are, when your parents like just do this,
You're like, Okay, fill the garden.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
With flows, find I, get the flowers, get the Ralph, Lauren,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Let's do this thing. When's the wedding going to be?
That's my final kind.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Of do you know you asked me two years ago,
I would tell you she was never telling us she
was engaged.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
We were never getting a ship that too. I thought
she would have just put up like a little flash
of it somewhere in like a visual album. She just
show up.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
To something with a ring on, Like that's kind of
where I thought it would happen. And so I'm surprised
she released photos and did, like you know that it's
all out there in this way, and that makes me
think that maybe when she gets married, she will share
a picture or something on her own terms. I don't
think we're in for like a people mag wedding. God,
I really don't. But yeah, I'm sure that it'll be
coming in like the next year or so.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Surely.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I think she'll tie it into some sort of a
special thing, like she'll tied in the background of like
a special album or at least or something like that
to kind of yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And I mean he's got his final season maybe of
the NFL. I'm sure he'll be after that. I'm sure that,
like he'll finish off his season, she'll do like show Girl,
and then maybe they'll get married.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I'm not get married. Well, I'm so happy for them.
I'm so happy for you and your people today. At
the end of the day. We love love, we love
gardens and jilted ex lovers. It's all just part of
the tails with milk.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It is and something that you will love, which I'm
just gonna tell you, really, ye tell me.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
So.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I don't think you know this.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Everyone on the internet, by everyone, I mean a select group,
think that Taylor Swift is basically Laura like Gilmore. Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
What So there is this whole thing in the fandom
where Taylor Swift looks like Laura like Gilmore, and people
cut edits of them together and compare their lives and like,
put Taylor's songs over Laura's life, and oh what happened
when Laura I got engaged to Max Madina?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh a thousand yellow daisies. Yes, she was sitting running.
Oh my god. I mean that worked out badly for them.
But otherwise we're just it worked out well. It's fine, fine, Okay.
I like that's an LB moment. It is the crossover.
I want. I want Gilmore Girls v. Taylor Swift to
come together and it's life I've always dreamed of and
(18:58):
they all end up happily ever after. That's so true.
We'd love that, Okay, can so back to the other
entertainment news of the day.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Okay, So I'm not going to pretend because I am
not a summer I turned. Even though the entire office
is minus a few of us, we are just outcasts
in the summer. I turned pretty universe. However, I do
know something about someone called Jeremiah, and everybody hates him. Yeah,
you have to fill us in.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, if you're a Jeremiah lover, which I think is
about four people in the world, you better duck for
cover because it's not safely at the moment. So the
summer I Turn Pretty. It's always been popular, it's and
it's third and final season now, but this final season
it has really taken off into this immense fandom to
the point where not just everyone I know is watching
it and building their weeks around it. But there's all
(19:48):
these watch parties across Australia because people want to go
and have a communal viewing experience, and they're all selling out,
like you can't get into them anymore, so people are
now having their own watch parties. It's intense out there.
So they're based on the books by Jenny Hahn, who
is also the show runner, and it's a story of
this girl called Belly, who the only way I can
say it is that she was meant to be ugly
as a child. And then she comes out one summer
(20:09):
to this summer house that she's been going to every
year of her life where these two hot brothers. She
spends this summer with them, and one summer she comes
and she's really hot and got boobs and doesn't have
her glasses anymore. Oh, I love that. I love beautiful. Yeah,
so we love romance. And then she basically hooks up
with both brothers and this final season, and we did
(20:31):
do a whole episode on simply love. Triangles of a
link in the show notes because this is not the
only time this has happened. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It seems to be a weird trope in cinema. However,
now what I understand is this season three premiere is
a couple of years after the previous season. Yes, and
Jeremiah has cheated on Belly twice and then proposes to her.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yes, so a bit of a time jump. So she
was mostly in love with Conrad, who's the older brother,
and then she ended season two with Jeremiah, who's the
younger brother. There's a time jump, so they've been together
for many years. In this last season, look defending cheating,
Jeremiah technically cheated on Belli. Well technically he did. I
can just feel the fans like breaking down the door
(21:16):
of the apartment that I live in to kill me
for saying this. So he and Belli were on a
break classic stop at rolassics. I love how like as
much as like decades pass and new TV shows come along,
we're all just dealing with the same drama over and
over again. They were technically on a break. Well, she
he thought they were more on a break than her
and he hooked up with one girl twice. Does that
make it better?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And I told her, and then they broke up and
then they got engaged.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, kids today, Yeah, kids today. So I've seen some
of the memes out there and people are like, what.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
People how hate this boy? His name is Gavin Casslegno,
although he might change that going forward because of the hatred.
And what's interesting about this is that we're only a
few episodes from the finale, but way back at the
beginning of the season, just before the show came out,
the network who makes the Summer and Turn pretty put
out all these warnings to fans, basically saying no hate speech,
(22:06):
do not attack this man, please remember these a fictional characters,
Please remembers the fictional world, and please do not basically
abuse people and send them death threats because of the
character they play. And can I tell you that warning
did not work? Well.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I mean, this is not the first time this sort
of thing has happened. But I read what Gavin said.
He said, I don't check Instagram anymore, so I haven't
seen that much hate. The only thing that I see
is my sister's sending me the memes that are really funny,
but people are sending him death threats.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, look, I understand that he's trying not to ignite
the situation, and I do feel for him because people
have taken it really far, because it's not a normal
love triangle. You have, like at a really good love triangle,
and I love a love triangle I on YouTube, not
in real lifelo that can be fun like a fictional
love triangle. So in a love triangle, you kind of
want both characters to be appealing, like you won't be
able to swing either way. In this one, ninety eight
(22:56):
percent of people want her to be a Conrad and
love Conrad even though he's got problems. To you, its
bit of a sad sack. And then people hate Deeremiah
with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. So it's
not a normal kind of love triangle.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's so interesting to because that basically tells me that
Gavin's just a really good actor. We like it, like
when people are so invested in a character that they
turn to the actor playing them and reach out and
they're like, I hate you so much. It kind of
says a little bit about how believable that they are
(23:31):
a normally.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yes, again, I'm not jumping on the Gavin hate training
because I do fear for that poor boy's safety. But
sometimes in interviews and things, he does sort of speak
like Jeremiah and stuff. And the thing is, Jeremi is
you're not meant to hate him. You're actually meant to
like him, So he's not supposed to be a villain.
People have just decided they hate the way he speaks.
They hate the way he wanted a particular wedding cake
for his wedding, like stuff like that he's not actually doing.
(23:54):
They don't hate him because of the cheating stuff. They
hate the way he speaks and the way his face
moves on screen. I'm not laughing. It's so mean. And
then they hate the actor for portraying him because they
think he's a bit of a douche in real life.
Is what's happening, okay? And also when he's saying that
he doesn't see the hate, he kind of does like
he's been the comments. He's seen things. Also, when they
first died the press tour, he would walk out on
(24:14):
stage all the fan events and get boods so intently
security had to go out and get people to calm down.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It kind of reminds me of Jack Gleeson, who played
Jeoffrey Baathian in Game of Thrones, who is an excellent actor. Yes,
that is a case, and that's kind of where I
was coming from, But basically, Jeoffrey Baathian notoriously a really
really awful character, both in the books and on screen.
Everyone was very happy when he died of poison. Sorry
(24:42):
if you haven't seen it yet, but I mean it's
been a number of years, it's probably time. But when
he died, everyone was like thrilled. But the amount of
hate that Jack Leeson got, he actually came out and said,
I'm quitting acting. I can't. I can't deal with this
because it was too intense. And to that point, I'm
like that poor boy who's done this role since he
(25:04):
was a child, done an excellent job of portraying this
really awful character. But then it translates into his real life,
which is actually just really sad. And so the first again,
there's like multiple examples of this happening.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Obviously, people shouldn't be bullying and sending hate to Gavin
from the summer and time pretty because I don't like
the way he speaks. But I think it's really different
with Jack Glees and from Game of Thrones because again
he came in and did exactly what he was supposed
to do, which is make people hate him, and people
would like follow him through the streets like when he
was still a child actor, screaming abuse at him. People
(25:40):
would send him like awful death threats. People would line
up at conventions to terrorize him and he'd have to
be taken from the building with security. Those people need
to be locked up. That is crazy. And I'm a
big fan girl of things too. I understand getting too
emotionally involved in TV shows. That's the thing. Like if
you've done admin to bully someone that you've like booked
a ticket, organized parking, packed a launch just to go
(26:02):
and terrorize a child, then you should be locked up.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So I interviewed Alfie Allen when he came out for
Game of Thrones when he was the young Gray Joy
and also another really hated character in Game of Thrones.
At this point, I think he was reek. He had
kind of that character has shift had happened, but I
really hated him as a character, but they're meeting him
in real life. I was very much aware of the
(26:25):
fact that he is not theond gray Joy. He is
Lily Allen's little brother.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think he called a villain. He hates some people
say that, I know he does.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
He does. I didn't ask him about it because it
was specifically requested not to, but yeah, it's funny. I
think when you've got to be able to separate that,
like I mean, I know we were talking about you
don't like beings separating characters, but sometimes I think in
this case, it is important to separate the character.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I want to see character as a human. But the
caveat on that is that I don't go and abuse
some online. I just don't follow them on Instagram. And
I think that's the healthy thing to do, because yeah,
fandoms are crazy. It kind of made me think also
of like Vanessa Morgan who came into Riverdale playing Tony,
and when she came on, people thought she was going
to disdrop like the Jughead and Betty Cooper's storyline, even
(27:10):
though she obviously ended up getting with someone else on
the cast and people love them together. But she said
when she got on the show and she was coming
in to be this antagonist and a love story that
she started getting death threats as well. And the thing
about that is like, there's not a lot of protection
for actors when that happens. It has to be like, oh, well,
if they try something, we'll stop it. So she went
through that whole season of Rivedel being like booed in
(27:31):
the streets getting death threats, having to like monitor her
socials for like real life threats or because people thought
she was going to kiss Joghead. That's crazy behavior.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It's sinsanity. So I think the moral of this story
is fandom is great, but just maybe take it down.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Not yeah, and I do. I'm worried for Gavin's safety
as we come into the last few episodes of the summer.
I turned pretty and I speak from real life experience
because on this very podcast, all I said innoctantly once
was like I didn't dislike Jeremiah. I actually thought he
came across very well in one episode. And holy hell,
have I have said way more controversial things on this pod.
I have said things that probably weren't like a bit
(28:09):
of backlash. Well I did with say like I don't
think this man is the devil and I have never
had such an avalanche of hate against me for saying that,
and I stand by it. I still think I actually
don't think either of them are great choices, to be honest,
But she'll end up with one of them. We all
know which one because the book's already reden written. But yeah,
it's right, spoil it for me there. I know, I'll
spoil it for you, like I don't know who you'll be,
(28:29):
Like I don't know who these people are. So I
always find that Britney Spears and sort of where she
is at now in her life and career is a
really difficult topic to cover, only because I feel like
we went through this huge cultural moment with her when
she was sort of seen to have this big fall
from grace and that she was this scandalized pop star
(28:50):
who had all these problems, and then over time it
came out what was really happening behind the scenes with
her being in this conservative ship and the strings that
were being pulled behind the scenes. And then there was
this moment where I think so many people across the world,
like both old fans of hers and Knew, really joined
together and this kind of what people saw as like
a big freedom fight, this thing of we're going to
(29:12):
free this woman and she's being held captive, and it's
like everyone thought they were knights and shining armor and
she was a princess up in this tower they were
gonna save. And obviously there were so many terrible things
happening to Britney Spears behind the scenes, and when her
conservativeship was lifted and she was allowed to regain some
control of her life, that was a really positive thing.
(29:33):
But I feel like over the years since that has happened,
there's been this sort of disappointment from fans and fans
turning away from her or new conspiracy theories because she
sort of continues to live a life where the video
she posts from Homer ones of her dancing or speaking
in like a manner where people can't understand what she's saying,
and it's like she hasn't been this sort of perfect
(29:55):
rescued victim that people wanted her to be.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think maybe turning away from her is not I
understand what you're saying, but I feel like it's almost
like it's just this like added concern because the posts,
and we have seen this for years now. Now the
posts are concerning and people are genuinely worried for her,
And the most recent one was in an Instagram post
(30:20):
where she was basically completely naked, which is now being deleted.
But what people really caught hold of in this was
the comment attached to the post itself. So the comment
that she made was in relation to her marriage to
Sam Ascari, who they were married for three years. He
(30:43):
has said nothing but lovely things about her, and she says,
we're just people, so fragile and human. The hardest years
of my life were my two sons gone for those
three years, and she basically talks about how this marriage
was just a distraction. The whole thing is incredibly sad.
So they got married in twenty twenty two. There are
(31:04):
a number of big profile celebrities there. I think Barrymore
was there, Madonna was there, but none of Brittney's face
was there, including her two sons who she was estranged
from at the time. So she's basically referring to this
moment in her life as being a really sad time
for her, which is so contrary to what Sam has
(31:26):
said about their relationship.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, and so sort of different to how that wedding
was taking at the time, because I was looking at
the video she put up with and I was looking
at the caption, like you said, it has all been
deleted now, which is something that she often does, especially
when the comment section starts firing up and people start
getting angry. Is talking about the marriage being a distraction
and her saying I don't know why I did that,
(31:48):
and kind of removing herself from the situation. And why
I thought that was interesting is that that wedding was
seen as like a group's success for the world because
she and Sam were together for so many years throughout
the Conservatorship, and he was sort of seen as this
like ally who would stay with her through thick and thin.
Like previously to the Conservative Ship, she'd had a few
(32:10):
different boyfriends, like a paparazzo she dated, and all these
sorts of things who were sort of looking to be
like mooching off her and exploiting her and word on
like the streets of Hollywood where they lived, was that
Sam would get approached to tell her was on her,
and he would always say no. He would get approached
like sell secrets on her, he would say no. He
was an aspiring actor, and I guess people did know
(32:31):
him as being Britney Spear's boyfriend, but he was always
really strict in interviews that he wouldn't speak about her,
so everyone thought he was like this diamond in the
rough who was like truly in love with Britney Spears.
It would never cash in on her name. And so
when they had their wedding, because it happened after the
Conservatives ship ended, and some of the details from the
Conservative ship was that she wasn't allowed to get married,
that she wasn't allowed to have a child, like she
(32:53):
had no autonomy over her body, and so everyone saw
her wedding as like a celebration of freedom more than
a wedding. And it did look so glossy, and a
few like looking at the stitchures, it did look glossy
and beautiful, and it's this fairytale wedding and it seems
so beautiful until you sort of this caption made me
think of like behind the surface, it seemed like a
(33:13):
really lonely thing for her to go through because she
didn't have her family there, She didn't have any of
her old team and friends there. And those pictures of
her with all those celebrities went viral, but if you
look at who was there, like, yeah, she's been friends
with Paris Hilton for a long time and they were
truly friends. Drew Barrier Moore and her have had a connection.
But other celebrities like Selena Gomez went to that wedding
and she'd never met Britney Spears before. She was just
(33:35):
going because she was invited along with a whole bunch
of other celebrities, and she wanted to be supportive. And
we now know that so many people in that room
had never met Brittany before, Like they weren't her people,
they were just there to fill the room.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah. I mean it's that whole kind of you know,
you can be in a room full of people and
feel really lonely, Like people in New York often say
that New York can actually be a really lonely place
even though there's millions of people there, you're just kind
of very, very isolated. What I do think, though, is
Sam is a class act because he actually responded people
(34:06):
reached out to him for comment. He responded to what
Brittany has said, and he said, our marriage was very
real to me. It may have been sure, but we
were together for seven years. I was in love with
her and will always have love for her and wish
her the best always. Quite frankly, that man has not
spoken poorly about her. He has not sort of tried
(34:28):
to cash in, you know. He said a couple of
things about Kevin Federline, Yeah, which fair but yeah fair
as a professional my dad, I honestly, I do think
he's a class act with the way that he's handled this,
Like he could easily be out there trashing Brittany and
saying all these behind the scenes things and talking about
why people are concerned for her.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
But he's not doing that.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
So it's really sad to me that that's the way
that she felt in that moment of her marriage. But
perhaps that was, you know, her way of trying to
escape from this kind of prison that she had been
in for so many years.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah. I feel like when you first got your like
autonomy bag access to your banking you could do whatever
you wanted. That you would have a wedding as a
way to kind of like and I think a lot
of people do want a wedding and not a marriage,
and so they want the big party and they want
the celebration. And she went all out with the fairytale details.
There was a carriage and a horse and all those
fairy lights, and she had a princess gown and this
(35:27):
princess cake. And then it was all ruined anyway, because
remember how Jason Alexander, her first husband who she married
for was it fifty five hours in Las Vegas, broke
into the home and live streamed it all saying he
was going to win Britney back, and he was arrested
and charged with all these different things and was also
threatening her. And even that at the time, people were like, oh,
we love a bit of scandal, We love her ex
(35:49):
husband coming to win her back. And it's like the
spin was so crazy because I'm like, he wasn't standing
outside with a boombox and a bunch of flowers being like, Brittany,
I love you. He's like live streamed breaking into her
home and he got in through all of the security
that Britney Spears had around her mansion, made it all
the way into the home and then was saying some
pretty threatening things, and even that people kind of made
(36:12):
into a bit of a fairy tale. It was wild
looking back on it now, Yeah, and I just I.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Know we are quite sort of conscious about talking about
Brittany because it is such a loaded topic and there
are so many things that we don't know about. But yeah,
it's really interesting that she talks about this time in
her life that people viewed as being so happy and
joyous and wonderful, now her talking about it being like
(36:40):
one of the worst periods of her life and again.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Saying that the weddages yeah, yeah, exactly, and not saying
the wedding was one of the worst moments of her life,
but more so because she had that estrange friend from
her sons, which she still has to an extent, like
she has seen them over the year since then. But
then there's this awful thread that like, once they get
to a certain age, the money that she's paying Kevin
Fedline to look after them, then she won't legally have
(37:04):
to pay parental support. So this idea was like, ah,
Kevin Federline and her sons just trying to get back
in her good graces and play on her like wanting
to see her kids because they know the gravy train's
about to end.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Well, yeah, as soon as they turn eighteen, that money
that Kevin Vadaline's getting, which is why I think he's
writing the book, but that's a whole nother topic. Maybe
that's just my opinion, But he's about to lose all
his income, all of his income, he's monthly stipend that
he gets from her, his spousal support, his child support
that he gets. He's about to lose that. He's got
a cash in somehow. But I just feel so sad
(37:38):
for her. I just feel like the whole situation to
me is tragic and that poor woman has had a
life that is just the biggest warning against Child's stars
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, it continues to be a hard conversation, and I
do think that like a lot of people have pulled
back on reporting and every time she posts a photo
or a caption, obviously this one because it involved her
saying something about her wedding she hasn't said before and
Sam responding I don't know about Sam Ascari, Like I
don't know the dude, but and a lot of people
love loved him on reality shows he's done and stuff.
But I also think that he just knows that if
(38:14):
he trash talks her in any way, people will not
have that. And he's so trying to build up his
own stardom. That it could just be because he's a
really nice guy and I want to believe that's true,
or it could be because he knows that that's not
the area for him to play in, and that anytime
he goes on a reality show and he interacts with
other celebrities or anything like that, they were like, oh,
Sam's really lovely. I didn't know he was. He didn't
(38:34):
know her, but this or that and stuff, and so
he's building up. I don't know if it's an act.
I just think that he's playing a clever game where
he's capitalizing on Britney's fame. But he knows the worst
thing he could do is to say anything bad about
her or allude to anything or anything like that, because
then he instantly stops being the sweet guy that was
with her for seven years. And he would be a
(38:55):
villain if he did that, if he trash talked her
in any way.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And it's very cynical of you. You're usually such a romantic well.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I mean, this world has hearted me. Watching what happened
to Britney Spears has hearted me. But I don't know
this woman. I don't know what's happening, but I do
feel like, people are very sad because they're like, oh,
she's in this like tragic space, and we don't know
that it's just that it's just that her life after
the conservativeship doesn't look like this princess fairy tale happy
ending that people expected, and so therefore they think it's bad.
(39:22):
But I do think the fact that people laying off
her a little bit is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. Guys,
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at three pm.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Bye bye,
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
From Mama Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop
culture Fix. I'm Cassanuelo Kitch and I'm Laura Brudnick. Today
on the show, we have found the most hated boyfriend
on television the summer I turned pretty star Jeremiah has
packing some serious heat and we dive deep into Britney
(00:45):
Spears's latest Instagram post.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But first, before we get into all that, we have
had some huge breaking news today of the Taylor Swift Variety.
And to break down this news, because it's Taylor Swift,
It's full of hidden meanings and secret locations and things
you'd only know if you read a poem she wrote
on Tumblr thirty years ago. We have Australia's resident. I
don't even feel bad saying that, because I feel it's true.
(01:10):
Is Residence Swifty. Expert Mum and Me is pop culture
and social media editor Tina Burke. Yay, it's the best
save my life and it's the best day of your life.
Like literally, you came to work, you've got a white skirt.
Someone gave you a flower.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Someone gave me a flower. The lovely Ellie from our
office bought me a rose.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
As though I am engaged, I feel like a lot
of people are celebrating this today. So take me through.
So the photos come up on Instagram about four am
Australia time, and I feel like half the women in
Australia just woke up instinctively.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Look, I mean, it wasn't me because I was deep
in slumber, because like to know, I'm an insomniac. I stay,
I really like, So I did not wake up on
a whim. But I know so many people who, yeah,
just like woke up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And so I said, like a bat. If she had
put that up at one am, I wouldn't We would
have been there. We would have been there. The lamp
was not happy with what I just said. I'm sure
when her weddings photos come out will be on top
of that. Hopefully I'm going to be just awake all
the time from now on, so I don't miss anything, Okay,
So take me through the announcement. It was. It was
a series of photos a carousel on her Instagram collabed
with Travis. Yes, slightly unfortunate that. What's his Instagram name?
(02:11):
Killer Killer Trav. Okay, what are you going to do?
You can't change a man. You can't change a man.
But I do absolutely love that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, Like imagine sharing your engagement arguably one of like
the biggest celebrity engagements of our modern day, the biggest
librityub Yeah, and your boyfriend now handle is Killer Trav. Like,
I just love collubbed with Killer Trav and I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I feel like she's so into it. She loves that. Okay,
take a shro what was in the photos? What was
the caption?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So it's kind of them in some matching rough Lauren
ensembles already sold out. Fans of investigated down the dress.
The dress is sold out. There we go. He's got
like a knit jump briefing on. That's also right. She
Ralph Floren girls here, like she doesn't really have like brand,
but she's you know, that does fit her whole vibe right,
(02:54):
her house by the sea, you know, her life, her
obsession with the Kennedy's. That feels very rough, Lauren.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, you know, she freaking loss, she loves She's just
a girl. She's just a girl.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, so it's quite like maybe classical American engagement.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Vibes is what you get from these. They meant to match.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't know because it's hard to tell if this
is when they got engaged or if this is an engagement.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Shit that's gonna ask you, because I think it is
an engagement shoot me too, not the actual engagement moment.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I agree, and look, Taylor Swift is Taylor Swift. Maybe
she'd love it. But if I went and got engaged
and then there's like a man hiding in the bushes
for photographing it, that's not for me. So I do
think this is a photo shoot after the fat maybe
it's the same day, but I do think it's like
an intentional engagement shoot, as many people do.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And it looks beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So they're in this like rosy garden, which actually people
have found out slush Also, Travis Kelsey's dad confirmed is
at Travis's home, but he had sort of transformed it
into this beautiful, elaborate rose garden. Who knows what the
flower budget was, but the Mary a billionaire, you were fine, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I was so impressed that was his garden. I don't
know why. He just didn't strike me as a man
that would have a whimsical garden.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, it's got a whimsical fence and gay, it's very nice.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I love like they were trying to be so sort
of like not covert because they put the photos out,
but they put the very stage photos out. You can
see they've been curated and like care chosen. And then
Travis Kelsey's dad just gets on a few different radio shows,
a few different morning shows, like he was doing the
media around.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I would love to Kelsey parents, yeah, because they are
so like they're sound the footballers. They're obviously very famous themselves, yeah,
but it's a level of fame that they're not used to.
And the Kelsey parents accidentally say things all the time,
but they're really sweet about it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like Donna was interviewed literally.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
The day before all the pictures drop, which is Travis's mum,
and she's like, he's settled, he knows what he wants
and she was like, and I can't say anything else,
and then always so engaged.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They're like, surprise, it's an engagement.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But yeah, there's like a photo of them in a
like chair looking cute close up of the beautiful ring,
just like a nice shot of them together, a couple
of nice shots.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yes, yeah, and you know, very simple caption, but very millennial,
which is Taylor's's bread and butter. She wrote, your English
teacher and your gym teacher are getting married.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You can just tell that she was so chilled when
she thought of that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, and there was a tweet a while ago joking
about like when the pe teacher and the English teacher
at your high school hook car and someone's like, wait,
did she see my tweet?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh my god, No, No, that's always been a joke about.
It's always been a joke. Yeah, especially different, like they're
like an odd couple together, and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
She's got that vibe right. If she was not a
famous woman, she'd probably be an English teacher. And then
he's like the dumb jock and they play into that
with like her song so high School. So she put
the post on her Instagram story puts so high School
over it. So like, imagine being that famous that you
can like soundtrack your own engagement.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
To your own song.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You wrote, what a lovely moment. I'm being a bit whimsical.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Sorry, no love again. This is your special day. The
fact that you're not crying, it's actually huge. So we'll
see what happens towards the end of the towards the
end of the podcast and things get more emotional.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is there any significance with the garden? That's what I
was thinking kind of. I think Swift is what we
can do, is we can assign meaning to anything.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh no, guy, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, there's this thing called tay Voodoo, which is not
exactly related, but it's just this sort of concept that
like anyone who wrongs Taylor Swift will kind of get
their karma, and like Tavod who comes around and gets you,
where's the light and where's the lights?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Her enemies have fallen?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But so I do think with Easter eggs, obviously she's
very intentional about it, but I also just think that
tay Voodoo is alive and well and just things turn
out for her even when she doesn't plan. So like, yes,
she does have some lyrics, Like you know, on Tortured
Poets Department, she has a song called I Hate It
here and that I was like, yeah, because the first
time I really related to Tailor Swift, and like there's
a lyric in the song where she's like she wants
to escape to secret gardens in her mind. There's obviously
(06:23):
a link to like, the photo shoot for her Lover
album was in a very very similar looking rose garden,
so people are kind of like, she finally found like
her lasting lover era in this beautiful rose garden.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, kind of cute. That's my cold dead heart, because
is a tough day for me because I didn't love romance.
And I mean, I'm happy she's happy, but the funniest
sweet I saw someone was like, wow, today the army
of unmarried women their thirties have lost their strongest future.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Oh I felt that deep as someone who has been, like,
you know, a fan of Tailor Swift since I was
a teen, since she was a teen, and like her
life has soundtracked my own life to you know, lose
our ultimate single girl des by the fact that she's
been in so many romans.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is she's just wile that everyone calls her the ultimate
single girl and she was for like six years. She's
literally never been single. She's always hey now hey, now
that wasn't say in a bad way, but she's just
someone who always a new romance on the horizon.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She had a couple of single years. But then you know,
she really went helpful lather on the love.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes, but that oh my god, let's have a fue
road now.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But no, it is it's this weird thing to lose,
like so parasocial. But it's like you're losing that like
last single friend. But in a way that also feels
like I feel very parasocial clearly about this, which I've
never felt for her other romances. But it just makes
me feel really happy for her that this is the
thing she wanted to be loved out loud and to
be appreciated by someone, and she spoke about it on
the pod and to them find out shortly after or
(07:41):
around the time of the pod they got engaged.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That's so good. Yeah, do you think it was before
or after?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, so there's a lot of conspiracy throwing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh please tell me. I love the conspiracy heroes.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I do think one of my favorites is And I
said this to my friends this morning and they were like, well,
that's investigative journalism, and so like, when do you think
it was? I'm like, well, he had a haircut, so
it's certainly recent because he had this really like floppy nineties.
You over the summer and then he like he always
cuts his hair before the season starts, so in around
July he cut his hair and he had the haircut
on the New Heights podcast. She had the same nails
(08:11):
on the New Heights podcast that she has. She's wearing
a similar lipstick. Some people think they got engaged the
day of the pod.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I think you're crazy. They had such a good podka.
I'm going to say, when you have a good podcast record,
you are in a hart. Should we get engaged later?
I don't know, Laura, I don't know what's gonna happen
to us. Maybe he just like, you come out in
such a good mood that you get engaged. Should we Yeah?
Like maybe I don't buy that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I'm like, I think he would have blointed out a
little bit more than yeah, But I think I think
it was recent. Ishy is My favorite thing is that
there's a scene, I guess because it's all filmed, we're
in podcast now. Hey, he looks at the camera and
she calls him her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
She's like, yeah, my boyfriend. And he looks and he
does her like he's like Biden this lip and he
looks cheeky, and I'm like, wait, was this before you
proposed or had you propose in you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Are liars, Like what is do you think they had
to do a pick up? You know, how to pick
up the podcast where they're producers, Like, guys, that was
so great, Taylor, you were great. You were great, Jason,
take a breath, trav Can you just pick up where
you go back and say boyfriend unless you guys want
to announce. I think they did a pick up.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I think they did intern brand and was like, sorry, guys,
roll that back. Yeah, this is such a lift the
curtain on podcast. Yeah, it's nice to be in sync
with Taylor swiftwing boys than one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Okay told to me about the ring because that was
a whole situation.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Oh my gosh, the ring. So I'm interviewing you like
you were there the ring because you've really invested in this.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The ring is enormous.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So obviously everyone possibly maybe the Spillers, is watching the
Summer return pretty at the moment. So the first reaction
everyone had online was to compare this rock of a
ring to Jeremiah's ring for Belly, because Taylor Swift is
so synonymous. This summer I return, I.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Saw everyone just attacking that man, and I'm like, as
we'll get to later in the show, it was like,
stop beating his body, He's already leave him alone, poor boy.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But that was like all over social media this morning.
Because this ring is ridiculous. You'd be like, how heavy?
So it's estimated to be between seven and ten carrots
a basil setting, besil. I'm not engaged if you can't
tell him, certainly not looking at rings.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm sure a lot of engage people wouldn't also know
the answer to that.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's a setting and the main diamond is flanked by
half moons of little diamonds plus a small rounding of jewels,
which gives it a vintage feel. And it is a
massive again, I don't know this old mind brilliant cut diamond.
When I saw that, I was like, are they just
saying it's brilliant? No, apparently that's the cut. So it's
this massive, massive rock that's estimated between like one million
(10:30):
to five million US.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I'd say it's probably on the five million.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, people mad said five million, And I trust them
with my too.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I trust them about people have a feeling. Tree Pain
was on the phone this morning. Yeah, yeah, she was
like giving out ring details. Does it have like engravings
on something that mean to I just feel like Travis
would have been really stressed about this. But do you
think he actually picks the ring by himself or Taylor?
I reckon they would have been involved.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Like I don't think a man just picks this ring along. Okay,
that's a big broad sweeping say, especially this man. Especially
this man, I don't think he would have I think
it's very her, right, It's very like she loves vintag things.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
She loves that look and feel.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It feels very her to have this ring. It's not
for everyone. A lot of people on Twitter hate it.
I hate their business.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But also a lot of people just hate her style,
how she dressed. She's steel so very distinct style. And
I say this with love in my heart. It's real
basic bitch in a way. Oh it is. And that's
and I love it because I feel the same way.
And I feel like she saw that ring and was
just like that's the one I want.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I agree, and like you can see her glittering diamond
watch in the background, Like this is just her vibe.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And when you can buy yourself anything and you have.
It's different for a lot of people, they're like, this
is the one beautiful piece of jewelry I'll ever own.
But if you already have a collection of like priceless
jewelry and you can buy yourself anything you want, you're
going to be looking for like one with very special
meaning that that huge tall man puts on your finger.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if it came out that
this belonged to like Elizabeth, if it belongs to Elizabeth
Taylor engraved like their numbers or something on it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like I'm sure there's a d cravings on it.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You can't really see, not that we can see yet,
but like I'm sure, like trust me some Swifties that someone.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, oh my god, Yeah I love that. Okay, so
the post went up. It went crazy. We hate to
do this to get a little bit in the weeds
and the messiness, but like all eyes are on, Like
people have quit their day jobs to follow this part
of the story of which celebrities have liked it and
which celebrities have yet to like it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, to like it's the nicest way to put that. Yeah, Okay, look,
it's a hefty list millions. It has very.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Clearly every single person we have time.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It has very quickly become one of the most liked pictures.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, I saw all these tracking boards of like the
most like pictures on Instagram. How Quicket's going up and
how much more it has to go.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, it's got like tens of millions to go before
it beats the most liked. But it's already one of
her like most liked pictures. So twenty four million at
this point in time of recording have liked the picture.
A personal favorite duo of mine is Megan Markle and
Keith Middleton have both liked the picture. It's definitely decide
to come together over tails.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
This engagement.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
That's all those crazy kids needed. I think that's all
they needed. This is going to be the thing that
pulls them back together for sure. Obviously, Sabrina Carpenter, you're
Jack Antonoffs, You're good close friends of the couple have
obviously all been sharing it all the Kelsey family. I
just know that some of those famous people are mad
that she turns her comments off, her comments off on everything.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So it's just I get this stay who liked it who?
Because they would be still so excited. You know how
like in comments people have to say, no, you just
know it's still so excited for you, so excited since
this time last week when you told me love you
so much. Can't wait for the wedding which I will
be invited to.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You just know donnic Kelsey had something to say she
was ready or she'll dog talk those I talked about
that I can't wait. But obviously one of the most
interesting ones is that Carliekloss liked the post so huge,
huge news, one of the most famous, like friendship breakups
about modern age. Also, I mean we have to acknowledge
when we have to acknowledge parts of history in the world. Yes,
(13:46):
Carlie Kloss the gay laws which having a huge day.
That's the name of the subsection of Swifties who believe
that Carlie Closs and Taylor Swift were in a relationship
that was romantic and there's like things that have happened
over time.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You have never waivered in their devotion.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And even still they're making memes that are like acting
as though Taylor has been engaged or proposed to under
like dress.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, like they don't believe it's Some people like, oh
my God, has anyone on Carlie Cours Is she okay?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Isn't she like heavily pregnant with her third child, married
Children's Dinner with she was still in there with the chests.
But yes, so she liked the post, which is obviously
she went to the Era's tour, but wasn't in the
fancy VP section. She brought her own tickets, her own tickets,
walked up those stairs and was that at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Then Taylor played the song that's supposed staring.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, she played her song that some fans believe was
about Carly and you know what, we've all had a
friendship breakup and actually kind of sounds a lot like
a romantic one if you sing a song about it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, there's a lot of song lyrically. The shape of
your body is new and like the streets she lived on,
the gates they went through. So not to speak on
your tease, but maybe I'm just saying that I've seen no, no,
I've seen the point the.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Power point adds up a really good PowerPoint will convinced
me of power point could tell you any topic. It's true,
and you know, they're really dug into the things. Over
the years I definitely think she has written songs about Carlie.
She has spoken about it at length. I've been convinced
at times so like it's a big deal to obviously they.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Had a torrid romantic breakup, or Carli Kass secretly helped
Scooter Born write her music from underneath her, whether by
accident or doing it on purpose, there's no other way.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, when Carlie's friendship with like Scooter and Katie Perry
obviously became a big thing. So yes, very fraud breakdown
of a relationship.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Then fine.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Now, however, was carl it Kloss had to like that?
Because she didn't, it would have been such a public statement, Yes,
but it was more her going to the Erros tour
that I think may sove the edge. But anyway, glad
for her. Who else didn't like it?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Well, this is where things get dicey. So one of
Taylor's former friends Carlie may have liked the post. However,
the one that's currently missing is Blake Lively.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes, and again we don't want to bring too much
of that chatter, which we will probably do later on
the podcast into such a happy day, but I do
feel for Blake Lively and Taylor Swift at the moment,
because if what we think is happening is happening, that
they've had a huge falling out of a decade long
friendship over a legal situation, and it's Blake's birthday this week,
which people think Taylor Swift did this, which is crazy.
(16:09):
That's just a lot of she knows evehn, Taylor Swift
wouldn't do no. But also I feel bad for Blake
Lively now because all eyes are on her and it's
going to be this huge statement if she doesn't like it,
and she was posting on Instagram, well, so she can't pretend, so.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It's not Yeah, it's very much like a she has
not liked the post and whatever they're going through, that's
their business. But obviously its we make it out business.
But obviously the Internet has very much kept an eye
on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
This morning. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, beautiful. Nonetheless, I just
think it was in his many interview rounds this morning,
Travis Kelsey's dad was talking about the fact that Travis
like when An asked Taylor Stiff's dad for permission, which
I feel like she would have liked. She feels old school, right, yes,
And he had told all the family members he was
going to do it, and he said. One of the
reasons Travis was like, Okay, I'm going to do it
right now this month is that both their families were
(16:54):
like pushing them to do it, which at the end
of the day, like I just love it. No matter
how famous you are, when your parents like just do this,
You're like, Okay, fill the garden.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
With flows, find I, get the flowers, get the Ralph, Lauren,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Let's do this thing. When's the wedding going to be?
That's my final kind.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Of do you know you asked me two years ago,
I would tell you she was never telling us she
was engaged.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
We were never getting a ship that too. I thought
she would have just put up like a little flash
of it somewhere in like a visual album. She just
show up.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
To something with a ring on, Like that's kind of
where I thought it would happen. And so I'm surprised
she released photos and did, like you know that it's
all out there in this way, and that makes me
think that maybe when she gets married, she will share
a picture or something on her own terms. I don't
think we're in for like a people mag wedding. God,
I really don't. But yeah, I'm sure that it'll be
coming in like the next year or so.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Surely.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I think she'll tie it into some sort of a
special thing, like she'll tied in the background of like
a special album or at least or something like that
to kind of yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And I mean he's got his final season maybe of
the NFL. I'm sure he'll be after that. I'm sure that,
like he'll finish off his season, she'll do like show Girl,
and then maybe they'll get married.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I'm not get married. Well, I'm so happy for them.
I'm so happy for you and your people today. At
the end of the day. We love love, we love
gardens and jilted ex lovers. It's all just part of
the tails with milk.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It is and something that you will love, which I'm
just gonna tell you, really, ye tell me.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
So.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I don't think you know this.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Everyone on the internet, by everyone, I mean a select group,
think that Taylor Swift is basically Laura like Gilmore. Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
What So there is this whole thing in the fandom
where Taylor Swift looks like Laura like Gilmore, and people
cut edits of them together and compare their lives and like,
put Taylor's songs over Laura's life, and oh what happened
when Laura I got engaged to Max Madina?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh a thousand yellow daisies. Yes, she was sitting running.
Oh my god. I mean that worked out badly for them.
But otherwise we're just it worked out well. It's fine, fine, Okay.
I like that's an LB moment. It is the crossover.
I want. I want Gilmore Girls v. Taylor Swift to
come together and it's life I've always dreamed of and
(18:58):
they all end up happily ever after. That's so true.
We'd love that, Okay, can so back to the other
entertainment news of the day.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Okay, So I'm not going to pretend because I am
not a summer I turned. Even though the entire office
is minus a few of us, we are just outcasts
in the summer. I turned pretty universe. However, I do
know something about someone called Jeremiah, and everybody hates him. Yeah,
you have to fill us in.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, if you're a Jeremiah lover, which I think is
about four people in the world, you better duck for
cover because it's not safely at the moment. So the
summer I Turn Pretty. It's always been popular, it's and
it's third and final season now, but this final season
it has really taken off into this immense fandom to
the point where not just everyone I know is watching
it and building their weeks around it. But there's all
(19:48):
these watch parties across Australia because people want to go
and have a communal viewing experience, and they're all selling out,
like you can't get into them anymore, so people are
now having their own watch parties. It's intense out there.
So they're based on the books by Jenny Hahn, who
is also the show runner, and it's a story of
this girl called Belly, who the only way I can
say it is that she was meant to be ugly
as a child. And then she comes out one summer
(20:09):
to this summer house that she's been going to every
year of her life where these two hot brothers. She
spends this summer with them, and one summer she comes
and she's really hot and got boobs and doesn't have
her glasses anymore. Oh, I love that. I love beautiful. Yeah,
so we love romance. And then she basically hooks up
with both brothers and this final season, and we did
(20:31):
do a whole episode on simply love. Triangles of a
link in the show notes because this is not the
only time this has happened. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It seems to be a weird trope in cinema. However,
now what I understand is this season three premiere is
a couple of years after the previous season. Yes, and
Jeremiah has cheated on Belly twice and then proposes to her.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yes, so a bit of a time jump. So she
was mostly in love with Conrad, who's the older brother,
and then she ended season two with Jeremiah, who's the
younger brother. There's a time jump, so they've been together
for many years. In this last season, look defending cheating,
Jeremiah technically cheated on Belli. Well technically he did. I
can just feel the fans like breaking down the door
(21:16):
of the apartment that I live in to kill me
for saying this. So he and Belli were on a
break classic stop at rolassics. I love how like as
much as like decades pass and new TV shows come along,
we're all just dealing with the same drama over and
over again. They were technically on a break. Well, she
he thought they were more on a break than her
and he hooked up with one girl twice. Does that
make it better?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And I told her, and then they broke up and
then they got engaged.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, kids today, Yeah, kids today. So I've seen some
of the memes out there and people are like, what.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
People how hate this boy? His name is Gavin Casslegno,
although he might change that going forward because of the hatred.
And what's interesting about this is that we're only a
few episodes from the finale, but way back at the
beginning of the season, just before the show came out,
the network who makes the Summer and Turn pretty put
out all these warnings to fans, basically saying no hate speech,
(22:06):
do not attack this man, please remember these a fictional characters,
Please remembers the fictional world, and please do not basically
abuse people and send them death threats because of the
character they play. And can I tell you that warning
did not work? Well.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I mean, this is not the first time this sort
of thing has happened. But I read what Gavin said.
He said, I don't check Instagram anymore, so I haven't
seen that much hate. The only thing that I see
is my sister's sending me the memes that are really funny,
but people are sending him death threats.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, look, I understand that he's trying not to ignite
the situation, and I do feel for him because people
have taken it really far, because it's not a normal
love triangle. You have, like at a really good love triangle,
and I love a love triangle I on YouTube, not
in real lifelo that can be fun like a fictional
love triangle. So in a love triangle, you kind of
want both characters to be appealing, like you won't be
able to swing either way. In this one, ninety eight
(22:56):
percent of people want her to be a Conrad and
love Conrad even though he's got problems. To you, its
bit of a sad sack. And then people hate Deeremiah
with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. So it's
not a normal kind of love triangle.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's so interesting to because that basically tells me that
Gavin's just a really good actor. We like it, like
when people are so invested in a character that they
turn to the actor playing them and reach out and
they're like, I hate you so much. It kind of
says a little bit about how believable that they are
(23:31):
a normally.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yes, again, I'm not jumping on the Gavin hate training
because I do fear for that poor boy's safety. But
sometimes in interviews and things, he does sort of speak
like Jeremiah and stuff. And the thing is, Jeremi is
you're not meant to hate him. You're actually meant to
like him, So he's not supposed to be a villain.
People have just decided they hate the way he speaks.
They hate the way he wanted a particular wedding cake
for his wedding, like stuff like that he's not actually doing.
(23:54):
They don't hate him because of the cheating stuff. They
hate the way he speaks and the way his face
moves on screen. I'm not laughing. It's so mean. And
then they hate the actor for portraying him because they
think he's a bit of a douche in real life.
Is what's happening, okay? And also when he's saying that
he doesn't see the hate, he kind of does like
he's been the comments. He's seen things. Also, when they
first died the press tour, he would walk out on
(24:14):
stage all the fan events and get boods so intently
security had to go out and get people to calm down.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It kind of reminds me of Jack Gleeson, who played
Jeoffrey Baathian in Game of Thrones, who is an excellent actor. Yes,
that is a case, and that's kind of where I
was coming from, But basically, Jeoffrey Baathian notoriously a really
really awful character, both in the books and on screen.
Everyone was very happy when he died of poison. Sorry
(24:42):
if you haven't seen it yet, but I mean it's
been a number of years, it's probably time. But when
he died, everyone was like thrilled. But the amount of
hate that Jack Leeson got, he actually came out and said,
I'm quitting acting. I can't. I can't deal with this
because it was too intense. And to that point, I'm
like that poor boy who's done this role since he
(25:04):
was a child, done an excellent job of portraying this
really awful character. But then it translates into his real life,
which is actually just really sad. And so the first again,
there's like multiple examples of this happening.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Obviously, people shouldn't be bullying and sending hate to Gavin
from the summer and time pretty because I don't like
the way he speaks. But I think it's really different
with Jack Glees and from Game of Thrones because again
he came in and did exactly what he was supposed
to do, which is make people hate him, and people
would like follow him through the streets like when he
was still a child actor, screaming abuse at him. People
(25:40):
would send him like awful death threats. People would line
up at conventions to terrorize him and he'd have to
be taken from the building with security. Those people need
to be locked up. That is crazy. And I'm a
big fan girl of things too. I understand getting too
emotionally involved in TV shows. That's the thing. Like if
you've done admin to bully someone that you've like booked
a ticket, organized parking, packed a launch just to go
(26:02):
and terrorize a child, then you should be locked up.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So I interviewed Alfie Allen when he came out for
Game of Thrones when he was the young Gray Joy
and also another really hated character in Game of Thrones.
At this point, I think he was reek. He had
kind of that character has shift had happened, but I
really hated him as a character, but they're meeting him
in real life. I was very much aware of the
(26:25):
fact that he is not theond gray Joy. He is
Lily Allen's little brother.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think he called a villain. He hates some people
say that, I know he does.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
He does. I didn't ask him about it because it
was specifically requested not to, but yeah, it's funny. I
think when you've got to be able to separate that,
like I mean, I know we were talking about you
don't like beings separating characters, but sometimes I think in
this case, it is important to separate the character.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I want to see character as a human. But the
caveat on that is that I don't go and abuse
some online. I just don't follow them on Instagram. And
I think that's the healthy thing to do, because yeah,
fandoms are crazy. It kind of made me think also
of like Vanessa Morgan who came into Riverdale playing Tony,
and when she came on, people thought she was going
to disdrop like the Jughead and Betty Cooper's storyline, even
(27:10):
though she obviously ended up getting with someone else on
the cast and people love them together. But she said
when she got on the show and she was coming
in to be this antagonist and a love story that
she started getting death threats as well. And the thing
about that is like, there's not a lot of protection
for actors when that happens. It has to be like, oh, well,
if they try something, we'll stop it. So she went
through that whole season of Rivedel being like booed in
(27:31):
the streets getting death threats, having to like monitor her
socials for like real life threats or because people thought
she was going to kiss Joghead. That's crazy behavior.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It's sinsanity. So I think the moral of this story
is fandom is great, but just maybe take it down.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Not yeah, and I do. I'm worried for Gavin's safety
as we come into the last few episodes of the summer.
I turned pretty and I speak from real life experience
because on this very podcast, all I said innoctantly once
was like I didn't dislike Jeremiah. I actually thought he
came across very well in one episode. And holy hell,
have I have said way more controversial things on this pod.
I have said things that probably weren't like a bit
(28:09):
of backlash. Well I did with say like I don't
think this man is the devil and I have never
had such an avalanche of hate against me for saying that,
and I stand by it. I still think I actually
don't think either of them are great choices, to be honest,
But she'll end up with one of them. We all
know which one because the book's already reden written. But yeah,
it's right, spoil it for me there. I know, I'll
spoil it for you, like I don't know who you'll be,
(28:29):
Like I don't know who these people are. So I
always find that Britney Spears and sort of where she
is at now in her life and career is a
really difficult topic to cover, only because I feel like
we went through this huge cultural moment with her when
she was sort of seen to have this big fall
from grace and that she was this scandalized pop star
(28:50):
who had all these problems, and then over time it
came out what was really happening behind the scenes with
her being in this conservative ship and the strings that
were being pulled behind the scenes. And then there was
this moment where I think so many people across the world,
like both old fans of hers and Knew, really joined
together and this kind of what people saw as like
a big freedom fight, this thing of we're going to
(29:12):
free this woman and she's being held captive, and it's
like everyone thought they were knights and shining armor and
she was a princess up in this tower they were
gonna save. And obviously there were so many terrible things
happening to Britney Spears behind the scenes, and when her
conservativeship was lifted and she was allowed to regain some
control of her life, that was a really positive thing.
(29:33):
But I feel like over the years since that has happened,
there's been this sort of disappointment from fans and fans
turning away from her or new conspiracy theories because she
sort of continues to live a life where the video
she posts from Homer ones of her dancing or speaking
in like a manner where people can't understand what she's saying,
and it's like she hasn't been this sort of perfect
(29:55):
rescued victim that people wanted her to be.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think maybe turning away from her is not I
understand what you're saying, but I feel like it's almost
like it's just this like added concern because the posts,
and we have seen this for years now. Now the
posts are concerning and people are genuinely worried for her,
And the most recent one was in an Instagram post
(30:20):
where she was basically completely naked, which is now being deleted.
But what people really caught hold of in this was
the comment attached to the post itself. So the comment
that she made was in relation to her marriage to
Sam Ascari, who they were married for three years. He
(30:43):
has said nothing but lovely things about her, and she says,
we're just people, so fragile and human. The hardest years
of my life were my two sons gone for those
three years, and she basically talks about how this marriage
was just a distraction. The whole thing is incredibly sad.
So they got married in twenty twenty two. There are
(31:04):
a number of big profile celebrities there. I think Barrymore
was there, Madonna was there, but none of Brittney's face
was there, including her two sons who she was estranged
from at the time. So she's basically referring to this
moment in her life as being a really sad time
for her, which is so contrary to what Sam has
(31:26):
said about their relationship.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, and so sort of different to how that wedding
was taking at the time, because I was looking at
the video she put up with and I was looking
at the caption, like you said, it has all been
deleted now, which is something that she often does, especially
when the comment section starts firing up and people start
getting angry. Is talking about the marriage being a distraction
and her saying I don't know why I did that,
(31:48):
and kind of removing herself from the situation. And why
I thought that was interesting is that that wedding was
seen as like a group's success for the world because
she and Sam were together for so many years throughout
the Conservatorship, and he was sort of seen as this
like ally who would stay with her through thick and thin.
Like previously to the Conservative Ship, she'd had a few
(32:10):
different boyfriends, like a paparazzo she dated, and all these
sorts of things who were sort of looking to be
like mooching off her and exploiting her and word on
like the streets of Hollywood where they lived, was that
Sam would get approached to tell her was on her,
and he would always say no. He would get approached
like sell secrets on her, he would say no. He
was an aspiring actor, and I guess people did know
(32:31):
him as being Britney Spear's boyfriend, but he was always
really strict in interviews that he wouldn't speak about her,
so everyone thought he was like this diamond in the
rough who was like truly in love with Britney Spears.
It would never cash in on her name. And so
when they had their wedding, because it happened after the
Conservatives ship ended, and some of the details from the
Conservative ship was that she wasn't allowed to get married,
that she wasn't allowed to have a child, like she
(32:53):
had no autonomy over her body, and so everyone saw
her wedding as like a celebration of freedom more than
a wedding. And it did look so glossy, and a
few like looking at the stitchures, it did look glossy
and beautiful, and it's this fairytale wedding and it seems
so beautiful until you sort of this caption made me
think of like behind the surface, it seemed like a
(33:13):
really lonely thing for her to go through because she
didn't have her family there, She didn't have any of
her old team and friends there. And those pictures of
her with all those celebrities went viral, but if you
look at who was there, like, yeah, she's been friends
with Paris Hilton for a long time and they were
truly friends. Drew Barrier Moore and her have had a connection.
But other celebrities like Selena Gomez went to that wedding
and she'd never met Britney Spears before. She was just
(33:35):
going because she was invited along with a whole bunch
of other celebrities, and she wanted to be supportive. And
we now know that so many people in that room
had never met Brittany before, Like they weren't her people,
they were just there to fill the room.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah. I mean it's that whole kind of you know,
you can be in a room full of people and
feel really lonely, Like people in New York often say
that New York can actually be a really lonely place
even though there's millions of people there, you're just kind
of very, very isolated. What I do think, though, is
Sam is a class act because he actually responded people
(34:06):
reached out to him for comment. He responded to what
Brittany has said, and he said, our marriage was very
real to me. It may have been sure, but we
were together for seven years. I was in love with
her and will always have love for her and wish
her the best always. Quite frankly, that man has not
spoken poorly about her. He has not sort of tried
(34:28):
to cash in, you know. He said a couple of
things about Kevin Federline, Yeah, which fair but yeah fair
as a professional my dad, I honestly, I do think
he's a class act with the way that he's handled this,
Like he could easily be out there trashing Brittany and
saying all these behind the scenes things and talking about
why people are concerned for her.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
But he's not doing that.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
So it's really sad to me that that's the way
that she felt in that moment of her marriage. But
perhaps that was, you know, her way of trying to
escape from this kind of prison that she had been
in for so many years.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah. I feel like when you first got your like
autonomy bag access to your banking you could do whatever
you wanted. That you would have a wedding as a
way to kind of like and I think a lot
of people do want a wedding and not a marriage,
and so they want the big party and they want
the celebration. And she went all out with the fairytale details.
There was a carriage and a horse and all those
fairy lights, and she had a princess gown and this
(35:27):
princess cake. And then it was all ruined anyway, because
remember how Jason Alexander, her first husband who she married
for was it fifty five hours in Las Vegas, broke
into the home and live streamed it all saying he
was going to win Britney back, and he was arrested
and charged with all these different things and was also
threatening her. And even that at the time, people were like, oh,
we love a bit of scandal, We love her ex
(35:49):
husband coming to win her back. And it's like the
spin was so crazy because I'm like, he wasn't standing
outside with a boombox and a bunch of flowers being like, Brittany,
I love you. He's like live streamed breaking into her
home and he got in through all of the security
that Britney Spears had around her mansion, made it all
the way into the home and then was saying some
pretty threatening things, and even that people kind of made
(36:12):
into a bit of a fairy tale. It was wild
looking back on it now, Yeah, and I just I.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Know we are quite sort of conscious about talking about
Brittany because it is such a loaded topic and there
are so many things that we don't know about. But yeah,
it's really interesting that she talks about this time in
her life that people viewed as being so happy and
joyous and wonderful, now her talking about it being like
(36:40):
one of the worst periods of her life and again.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Saying that the weddages yeah, yeah, exactly, and not saying
the wedding was one of the worst moments of her life,
but more so because she had that estrange friend from
her sons, which she still has to an extent, like
she has seen them over the year since then. But
then there's this awful thread that like, once they get
to a certain age, the money that she's paying Kevin
Fedline to look after them, then she won't legally have
(37:04):
to pay parental support. So this idea was like, ah,
Kevin Federline and her sons just trying to get back
in her good graces and play on her like wanting
to see her kids because they know the gravy train's
about to end.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Well, yeah, as soon as they turn eighteen, that money
that Kevin Vadaline's getting, which is why I think he's
writing the book, but that's a whole nother topic. Maybe
that's just my opinion, But he's about to lose all
his income, all of his income, he's monthly stipend that
he gets from her, his spousal support, his child support
that he gets. He's about to lose that. He's got
a cash in somehow. But I just feel so sad
(37:38):
for her. I just feel like the whole situation to
me is tragic and that poor woman has had a
life that is just the biggest warning against Child's stars
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, it continues to be a hard conversation, and I
do think that like a lot of people have pulled
back on reporting and every time she posts a photo
or a caption, obviously this one because it involved her
saying something about her wedding she hasn't said before and
Sam responding I don't know about Sam Ascari, Like I
don't know the dude, but and a lot of people
love loved him on reality shows he's done and stuff.
But I also think that he just knows that if
(38:14):
he trash talks her in any way, people will not
have that. And he's so trying to build up his
own stardom. That it could just be because he's a
really nice guy and I want to believe that's true,
or it could be because he knows that that's not
the area for him to play in, and that anytime
he goes on a reality show and he interacts with
other celebrities or anything like that, they were like, oh,
Sam's really lovely. I didn't know he was. He didn't
(38:34):
know her, but this or that and stuff, and so
he's building up. I don't know if it's an act.
I just think that he's playing a clever game where
he's capitalizing on Britney's fame. But he knows the worst
thing he could do is to say anything bad about
her or allude to anything or anything like that, because
then he instantly stops being the sweet guy that was
with her for seven years. And he would be a
(38:55):
villain if he did that, if he trash talked her
in any way.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And it's very cynical of you. You're usually such a romantic well.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I mean, this world has hearted me. Watching what happened
to Britney Spears has hearted me. But I don't know
this woman. I don't know what's happening, but I do
feel like, people are very sad because they're like, oh,
she's in this like tragic space, and we don't know
that it's just that it's just that her life after
the conservativeship doesn't look like this princess fairy tale happy
ending that people expected, and so therefore they think it's bad.
(39:22):
But I do think the fact that people laying off
her a little bit is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. Guys,
do not forget to follow us on TikTok and Instagram.
This bill is produced by Militia Swarren with sound production
by Scott Stronik. We'll see you guys back here in
your podcast feed for all the slip headlines at eight
o'clock tomorrow with Morning Tea, then back for another episode
at three pm.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Bye bye,
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