June 11, 2025 • 33 mins
On the show today, The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills has added a very surprising new cast member, one who has shaped celebrity pop culture and fashion for decades. So now lets talk about the woman who has a very scandalous past with the likes of Lindsay Lohan, Nicole Richie, and Paris Hilton.
Plus, Brooke Shields has been in the headlines this week thanks to an interview she gave about appearing on a panel alongside Meghan Markle, and why she felt the need to interrupt her and call her “too precious”.
Now we need to deep dive into what really happened, who the interviewer was (because she has very strong ties to the royal family), and what the fallout was for Meghan this week after she posted a very specific video.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to The Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And I'm Cassanna Lukic and on today's show, some more
fun stuff for us, and we are diving in to
the woman that we and all of the Internet can't
stop talking about, and that is Megan Michael. But this
time with a slight twist. We've got a little bit
of Bookshields in there as well, which should be very exciting. Yes,
(00:51):
But first what we're going to do is talk about
the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. There is an update
and we have to address it because I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
About this, and for the first time ever, I'm excited
about a Housewives update because you're not a big Housewives
fan and this is and long term listeners of a
Spill will know this because obviously there's been so many
new stories around them over the years. And I've always said, like,
I'm just on a big reality TV person unless it's
for work. So I've interviewed many Housewives stars over the years,
(01:19):
and I find them very fascinating to interview, but I
just can't get behind that franchise. I understand how people
watch it. It's just never ever been for me until this
announcement came out over the weekend and for the first time,
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
This is like a really good like lead up. If
you don't know who this is.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, bring me some dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So the newest cast member announced this week is the
one only Rachel Zoe.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, are you? Are
you not?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm super shocked as well. I actually thought she probably
would have fit better in New York, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Franchise LA Base. She's an LA girl, I.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Know, but I just feel like I have vibe. It's
gonna be really interesting to see how she meshes with
the girls. So she basically announced the news on Instagram.
She said, here we go again at Bravo TV. I'm
a few joining the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and
back with my Bravo family. Now she's talking about she's
to do the Rachel Zoe Project and that from like
two thousand and eight, twenty thirteen, So she's not like
(02:21):
unfamiliar with reality TV. If you don't know who Rachel
Zoe is, She's a stylist, like fashion icon. I'm really
fascinated with the last few castmates that they've brought in
this last season season fourteen. Bozoma Saint John, who is
nicknamed boz Like she was the head of marketing at Netflix. Like,
(02:42):
she's an amazing powerhouse woman. Rachel Zoe also like massive
powerhouse so really like moving away from and they've been
doing this for years, but this Whole Housewives, Yeah, it's
not because they all have huge jobs and things, right, Yeah,
like that's not really what it's about anymore. So I
(03:02):
think bringing her on is going to be really interesting.
So at the time we recorded this, there have been
no other past announcements or like confirmations. But at the
end of season fourteen, Garcel Bevo actually did leave, So
I did see that. Yeah, So Garcel left right before
(03:23):
the reunion and she said it was time to you
just wanted to spend more time with her family and
producing and things like that. She didn't have a great season.
I think that she probably was just like seeing the
writing on the wall and you know what, and go
time out of it, but we've still got Kyle Richards, Erica,
Jane drek Kemsley Sutton Strack, and Bezoma Saint John, and
(03:44):
then there were still appearances by Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly.
So with Garcel out of that, if we assume it's
the same cars, Rachel Zoe will be fitting into that,
which would be really interesting because there's been so much
conflict between Derete and Kyle yes past season.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Oddly for someone who doesn't watch the show very very
across this you look at this stuff all day, every well, exactly,
I'm seeing it all. I interviewed Kyle when she came
to Australia, very quiet and reserved, did offer to clean
up the hotel room unprompted, and I wore the furniture
herself and then started moving the furniture and I said,
Kyle Richards, you don't have to move the table. We'll
get someone else to do that. That's my content with them.
(04:25):
The reason though I'm excited about Rachel Zoe joining and
also surprised, is that she's not a conflict person. She's
always kept her like branding and her personal the way
she presents herself to the world. For someone who's like
you know, has got her fame through mostly reality TV
and her celebrity connections always comes across very much like
very lovely on everyone's side, even though behind the scenes
(04:48):
we know that she's probably not like that, which is
what I'm most excited to see.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I mean the way that I see her portrayed
as well is like she's a business woman, like she's
a hot us. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I don't
think she's soft.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
No interesting. Seeing her not be able to control the
edits the whole thing that Rachel's off anyone's not. I
feel like this is like a very like Her life
and her career is a very particular mo moment, particularly
for millennial women in that age of like those tabloid
paparazzi girls, because she became one of the first big
celebrity stylists that I'm going to go ahead and say,
like the common people like me, like a girl living
(05:22):
in towns or would know about. It's because she started
dressing all of these big name Hollywood celebrities. She's been
in the industry for like thirty years, but she started
having all these huge red carpet moments with like Cameron
Diez and Demi Moore and Jennifer Ghana, and people started
talking like who is dressing these women on the red
cart But they just look very different to the way
that other women are dressing and it was very a
(05:43):
very specific style and it came out it was Rachel
zo And then she also started becoming very good friends
with everyone she dressed. Yeah, d remember those days. So she
would be really good friends with like Jennifer Gana, who
would say lovely things about her, very good friends with
Anne Hathaway when she like dressed her for the Oscars.
But more importantly than that, she would go out and
party with these girls when they were at their peak
(06:05):
of being like the queens of La of the tabloid girls.
She would go out and party with Nicole Richie, who
she was very good friends with, with Paris Hilton, who
she was friends is with Lindsay Loewen until all of
that blew up. Remember the horse tranquilizers.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Do you remember that that's not ringing any bells?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
She addressed on The Rachel Zoe Project, which is an
incredible show that's about her styling crew. It's on Hey
you If anyone hasn't watched it. It's such a good rewatch.
But she became very good friends with all these famous
girls around the same time that all of their style
really started evolving and they all started looking the same room.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Also very boho like. Yeah, so it was very boho
kind of florally, but then with like a bit of
an edge, and it was always about like the really
messy hair with curls with straight ends.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, yes, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It was that kind of period of time. I really
am so interested to see how she's gonna slot in.
I'm trying to figure out who's going to be her,
like buddy, Yeah, I'm thinking maybe Erica Jane.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean, I don't know enough about her, but if
I love Rika Jay, but I wonder if there's lefto.
But I don't think she in Paris Hilton ever had
a blowout the way she potentially had to blow out
with Nicole Richie, because again, she was she was getting
packed with all these girls. She was dressing them the
same way. You know, the white baby doll dressers and
all the necklaces and the big chunky necklace, several chunky necklaces.
(07:26):
That is Rachel Zoe's one hundred and then all the
girl's body started changing the same time. This is when
around when like Nicole Richie lost a huge amount of weight,
so did Lindsay Lowyn and Misha Bart and Mischa Button
was also in that little gang. And all of a
sudden there were these accusations against Rachel Zoe that not
only and again accusations, I don't know. I wasn't there.
I wish I was allegedly allegedly that she was also
(07:49):
giving them these prescription pills to help them lose weight,
maybe horse tranquility, it was horse pills. There was something
around there. And the reason it became a biggertamine would.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Make him lose weight. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I don't know. Again, I'm like a teenager sitting.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
But everyone but everyone's on Zampi and Bonjaro now, so
I don't even know for a let to say those names.
Everyone's on the like weight loss drugs now anyway, But
she's always been very thin.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And she's always pushed back against that. So anyway, there
was some accusations around drug use, which she never really
talked about until. In fact, Rachel Zoe was the pioneer
for something that the Kardashians do a lot, which is
that they watch all the headlines blow up, they don't
say anything, and then they stage these scenes while they're
filming their reality shows months later and address at all
because it was so stage like they'd be in her
(08:38):
you know, she used had that dressing room in her house,
Rachel Zoe and all the slips would come in and
just try and all the dresses and fling all the
gowns around and it flooded once. Was the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
This is just like a rewatch of Rachel's open.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, she started doing a rewatch podcast and she stopped.
And I think it's because I hypothesize it's because the
host kept bringing up all of these scandals and she
didn't want to talk about it because she's very non scandal,
non confrontational. But they said to her on the show,
like her team members would say stuff that was very stage,
and they'd say, Rachel, there's all these reports that you're
(09:08):
giving the girls drugs and she was like, oh, oh
my god, where would I even get them from. I
don't know anything about that. I'm so busy. I just
come home. And it was like that's how she could
address it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But I mean, look, the rachelso Project ended in twenty thirteen.
There's not been a lot around Rachel Zoe in terms
of like she really had her moment in that sort
of two thousand and eight thousand.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Ye, I don't think she's ten dialing as much. She
has her podcast. But that's the other biggest thing is
that her husband, Roger, who she was married to for
like thirty years.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Nearly, they've just got divorce again.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Mind bowing that that happened because they were always in
their like their career together. He was on the show
all the time, they went to events together like this
really famous, powerful entertainment industry duo. They've gotten divorced in
the last couple of months, which was really shocking to
people because they've been together since they were like basically children.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So then maybe there's gonna be like Kyle Richard, durek
Kemsley and.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, because they were like single girls now right, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So Kyle Kyle obviously just is going through her separation
with Marizio, Dreet's going through with her separation with pick Hat,
and then Rachel going through her separation, So maybe they'll
be like the First Wives Club.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The one reason I don't watch your show is I
can't stand and they all yell and fight, like I
just can't handle that. But Rachel's is not a confrontational person,
but maybe maybe that'll maybe that'll come out in her.
It's also the first.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. Well, yeah, do you know do you
know what that reference? No?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I don't. I thought you're just yelling it and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay. If you know Real Housewive Beverly Hills, you know that.
That's when Denise Ridges was on it and she basically
it was like a code for we're not talking about this,
and she went Bravo, Bravo, Bravo.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Oh she was another one. I was really shocked that
went on it, but in the same way that she's
been saying, I was just thought you were yelling brav
when I was like really into it and supporting you
in that endeavor, thank you. I actually just think she
will do that. She's been in reality TV shows for
a long time, but it's the first time she's not
like the star who can control her edit. Yeah, so
I don't know how she's going to go with that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, Andy both yeah, Andy Cohen, is you know he's
got quite a few tricks up his sleeves, I'm sure,
or he's got some big plans for it. But look,
Season fourteen has just finished. That finished kind of in April,
so I'm imagining they're probably gonna start filming that in
the next couple of months, towards the end of this year,
and then we'll get it at the end of this
(11:25):
year and then through the next year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I can't wait. I'll we watching for the first time ever.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh my gosh, okay, we have to do. I like
your reaction.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So Meghan Mikel is back in the headlines this week.
I mean, where's she out of the headlines? But this
is actually quite fah no, Well, this is a stage
right now. Is like every week I look at the
fifteen or so Meghan Markel headlines and I only kind
of center in on the ones for us to chat
about that I think are giving something new and different
to the conversation. Also scandalous that we can't ignore. And
this kind of falls into both camps. So Meghan Markle
(11:57):
actually hasn't said anything about this whole situation. The person
who is at the center of this is actress Brookshields,
So Brookshields recently went on the Indie Hicks podcast called
the Indie Hicks Podcast Creative name Man, but at least
you know, no one's cutting home grass in that area.
So she was talking about a panel that she was
asked to be on alongside Megan Markle at south By
Southwest in March of last year. So the panel was
(12:19):
hosted by Katie Kirk and it was called Selick and
you take a deep breath before you say this. It
was for International Women's Day and it was called breaking Barriers
Shaping Narratives how women lead on and off the screen,
which is obviously very interesting. So Brooke was giving her
take on how the panel with Megan went, and these
few sentences from her went completely viral.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And she's doing south By Southwest, Big, big, big, They're
closing the middle arena. They we're closing it out. Were
the only one. It's thousands of people, it's Kitty Kirk,
Meghan Markle and a doctor and Kitty asks me to
be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So I was like, okay, okay, okay, right, all right,
you know what, just do it. We get there.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Katy asks the first question to Megan and talks about
how you know, at a young age, she was already
advocating for women, etc. So she starts talking and telling
a story about how when she was eleven, and she
keeps saying, well, when I was eleven, I saw this
commercial and they were talking about washing dishes, and only
(13:23):
soap for washing dishes was for women. So I wrote
to the company. And when I was eleven, I wrote
my first letter. And then I was eleven. And she
kept saying she was eleven, She writes to the company,
they changed the text, they changed the commercial, and I go,
excuse me, I'm so sorry. I just I guys, just
interrupt you there for one minute. I was trying not
(13:44):
to be rude, but I wanted to be funny because
it was so serious, and I just want to give
everybody here a context as to how we're different. I said, well,
when I was eleven, I was playing a prostitute. The
place went insane, and then luckily it was more relaxed.
After that. It was just too precious, and I was like,
(14:06):
they're not gonna want to sit here for forty five
minutes and listen to anybody be precious, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
See, I love that. So so the film, she's actually
referring to Here is Pretty Baby, which was in nineteen
seventy eight. She's and that's that's the title of the
docu series that she did, so a lot behind Brookshields.
I absolutely loved that doco in nineteen seventy eight. She's
eleven years old and she's playing a prostitute. Like the
amount of inappropriate things that she had to go through
as a child actor, it's crazy. The way she was
(14:35):
treated is insane. I think the commentary she's making here
is can we just like cut the shit for a second.
We've heard this story, and I think with Megan, she
has told that story so many times, like everybody knows
that story. Even as we were listening to that audio
just then, I was like, oh, yes, I know when
(14:56):
you were eleven you wrote to the company and then
you changed it, and well you're such a great Like
it's great. It's an amazing thing for an eleven year
old to do. But the story has been told a
million times, So I kind of love that Brookshields kind
of just went cut the shit. Let's have a little
bit of fun here. Yeah, yes, we're talking about empowering women,
but we can also like lighten the mood a bit
(15:17):
like if we're losing the audience and we're losing thousands
of people, then like I'm going to try and pick
it up here. And that's a world.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Media tran Yeah, exactly. That's the thing like Brookshiels is
that she's been entertaining people since she was a child,
and she knows how to really hold a room and
she does talk about the serious stuff. I mean, especially
at that stage last year. The reason she was on
that panel is she was coming off the back of
like all the interviews and the doco series and everything
that she's kind of shone a line on with what
had happened to her in the industry and how she'd
been over sexualized as a child and everything she went
(15:47):
through with like being public about like her postpartum depression.
So she's she's done all that and she can talk
about the serious stuff. But I think she's such a
performer that she looked around the room and saw people faltering.
And it's hard because that Megan Michael's story. It's you
can see it's such a rehearsed moment for her, Like
she's told it in her Netflix documentary. She tells that
every podcast she's gone on. She's included in pieces she's written,
(16:10):
and like I should say, there is a little bit
of a question mark over whether, like she actually had
the ad change. The ad was changed, but I don't
think the company's ever come out and said, yes, there's
eleven and who would you even track down at this
stage to confirm that that. Maybe there was like such
an international backlash against it that they changed it. But
Meghan's always kind of maintained that that has shaped who
she is, and she's become an activist because of that
(16:31):
and look good on her. When I was eleven, I
only cared about like Disney princesses and teenage meeting Ninja Turtles.
I still kind of do actually, so I wasn't writing
letters to anyone. But I feel like that's a safe
space for Meghan where she's like, I know this story
paints me in a great light. I know people have
responded to it positively in the past. I know that
it's usually a crowd pleaser. So she just rolls it
(16:53):
out because I think she's so aware of the backlash
she'll get if she puts like a foot wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Do you know what those Well, it really reminds me
of like the Star is Born tour when lady gout, yeah,
there's a thousand people in the room and he's the
one that saw well, you know, like she told the
story so many times it it kind of became a joke,
even though this is a really amazing story, Like it's like, okay,
we've heard it.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's the thing with Pressed Well too is at the
moment is that because everything now goes on TikTok and everything.
That's why like all the producers from all like the
late night shows always call the talent be like what
new story have you got? What can you give us?
And they give their best stories to like the places
with the biggest audience because people don't want to peat
themselves for that reason. In saying that, though it was
meant to be like a bit of a closed panel,
(17:38):
I don't know if it was like being blasted everywhere.
But it's interesting listening to Brookshields on the podcast, which
I should say the podcast deleted. From what I can tell,
it's been deleted today. I'm pretty sure it was live
yesterday when I was listening to it. Because this has
been picked up everywhere. People are like Brookshields has finally
said what no one would say about Megan Markle, which
is kind of fair, like no other famous woman has
(17:59):
openly said that Megan Markle is too precious. That's not
a complete live a headline, but it's been picked up everywhere.
Everyone's like, I'm team Brooke and I'm team Megan, and
it's like very push and pull. And if you listen
to the interview, it doesn't sound like Brooke was trying
to attack her in any way.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
How do you listen to the whole podcast?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes, Oregon delete it.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So okay, this is like the Royal Family's involved for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well that's what people think, and potentially because of who
India Hicks is. So India Hicks was a model turned
entrepreneur podcast host, but her mother was a lady in
waiting to Queen Elizabeth. Her godfather is King Charles, and
she was a bridesmaid in Charles and Diana's wedding back
(18:44):
in the day. So she's not just in the royal family,
but she's like in the inner circle of the royal family.
Like she's seen all the skeletons.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think she's gotten a call from someone and they're gone.
This is just like this is made allegedly.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Oh please hypothesize away.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm this hypothetheti. I think that someone's gone, you need
to take that down.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well, I do think that's happened, But I actually think
that would come from Brookshields's team because for the Royal family,
this looks great for them because it's painted Meghan and Markel. Really.
I mean, I know she's the Duchess of Sussex, but
we're just gonna call her Megan. We're all friends by now.
It paints Megan actually hate Yeah, oh I know. She
we called her Megan, Meghan Sussex, Megan, Megan Meg. It's
(19:28):
like she's got a lot of names. That's fine, that's
just a fact. She always says to her friends, just
call me Meg. So maybe that's what we should do.
So I actually think that, well, at this stage, I've
defended that woman a lot. I've defended that.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So I actually think that it's Brookshields's team that are
behind this because she's come on to do this interview.
She's not usually confrontational about other celebrities, unless it's Tom
Cruise telling her that she shouldn't be taking drugs for
her postpartum depression. And that's a whole other situation. But
she's usually not very confrontational, and she even says at
the beginning, you might need to cut this out. I'm
just telling you. It's that moment where someone gives like
(20:06):
a small story in the midst of like a big,
wide ranging interview and it's gone viral. So I feel
like the royal family would be like, this looks great
for us because everyone's hating on Meg again. I actually
think it would be. I think it's Brooks team. We've
seen that it's gone everywhere. People are pitting them against
each other. Also a lot of people are saying that
Brooks Shields has been like aggressive and racist towards Meghan Markle.
(20:29):
It depends which social platform you look on which thread
where you're saying this. But I wonder if Brooks team
was like, hey, try to give you a nice interview,
can you just take that down? Because this is escalated
to an extent where every single news outlet today has
our two pictures and side by side again and like
kind of pushing against each other. And to be honest,
neither brook nor Meghan have come out of it great
because it's just escalated, like the worst stories about both
(20:51):
of them. Yeah, so at this stage, like it was
kind of like a small roll out effect, like first
the India Hicks podcast, like it took down the video. Now,
from what I can tell, the episode's gone down. I
haven't seen Brooks Shields comment directly on it, although I'm
sure she will at some stage. She's a pretty open book.
I haven't seen Meghan Markle comment on it. She's not
doing a lot of press at the moment. I don't
think she will until the next season of her Netflix
(21:12):
show comes out. But there's just no way she hasn't
seen the all encompassing headlines.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I don't even think it's that bad.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
No, no, it's not the actual what she said in
the moment. Wasn't that bad of Brookshields being like I
was just trying to get the audience to laugh, and
it's like like that, No, it's those two words when
she said too precious, because that's what people have been
saying about Megamarkele, but no other famous woman has said it.
And it was that that has really kind of like
it's like a waving a red flag in front of
(21:40):
a herd of bulls. Now, everyone just ran towards it. Yeah,
I'll be interested to know what the fallout is when
that comes out.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
We'll keep you posted. So we were going to stay
on Megamchael. Now, I think a big part of the
reason that Mega Michael is so protective of anytime she
says anything is because of the amount of rumors, conspiracy theories,
like the amount that comes off this woman is insane,
and it kind of links into this whole like I'm
(22:08):
sure you've seen that the depths of the Internet like
Reddit and YouTube and TikTok, there's this whole conspiracy theory
that she was never really pregnant, and there was that video.
Have you seen the.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Video, the one that she posted recently. Yeah, yeah, so
was it to celebrate And look, I defend Megan mark
lo over a lot. I can't get behind this name
because I kind of also love it. It was about
the birth of little Bit, right, I like, Lilla BET's cute,
just like such a funny name, a little bit I.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Bet, I do. I think it's really sad.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I believe me to you kind of like name a
child that, like, change your daughter's name to be a
little bet my daughter's Yeah, that's very cute, But I
think it's more the story behind it, where like, yeah,
it was the queen's nickname that her like I think
just her dad called her and then maybe her husband. Yeah,
and then when she was first born, they said the
Queen approved, and I was like, oh, that's cute, Like
(23:02):
maybe the Queen really wanted her to be called Lila
Bet and when like we'll throw a bone of cause
a bit of drama. But then all these stories have
come out. I have no basis for any of this
that she was quite like offended that they called their
daughter her private nickname. But again, a little bet. Look,
it's like I said, I both love it and hate it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think it's really sweet. But so the thing is,
there's this video going around where she's bending over and
the way her belly moves. People are saying that it's
a pillow.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, so it's her and Prince Harry. They're in the hospital,
so it's an old it's obviously an older view. It's
to celebrate Littlebit's birthday and it's like between contractions and
they look so cute and happy, look so happy. They're
dancing around the hospital room. It was a TikTok trend
at the time, right that if you were in labor,
you would do a dance to this like particular song,
and they look really happy. And the way she's dancing
(23:50):
is like quite impressive for a woman who is like
so heavily pregnant. And then yeah, because her stomach moves
and she's wearing a billowy dress and the way she
holds it up and the way she presses it in.
Sometimes people have gone through and freeze framed all the
different clips and said that it's a fake stomach that's
attached and it's been like pre recorded and she's not
(24:10):
pregnant and you can tell by the videos.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Okay, I think that's just such crap, Like not all
pregnant bellies look the same, honestly, Like I have had
my criticisms of Medica remarkle, but why but you don't.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Think she's throwing a fake pregnancy belly?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, Like also, honestly, there are pregnant women whose bellies
are not like completely tight and taught and like you
know what I mean. Like, I think it's because it
moves in a certain way, Like you can still have
fat on your stomach when you're pregnant, and it can
move in a different way and you can still like,
I think what we often see in the media with
(24:46):
pregnant bellies is really perfectly round, beautiful bumps. There's no
like ye fat anywhere. It's just like a belly. Yeah,
it's that's what we see a lot of.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, it's that kind of conventionally beautiful figure that we've
been told is like how women should look. And then
like the little basketball pop, kind of like in that
movie What to Expect, You're Expecting, where they have like
the pregnancy unicorn, when thing about you looks pregnant, except
you have a little pop of a stomach y which
instantly goes away the moment you have a baby, which
is not what happens to most women.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I once had when I was pregnant with my first
I had a gentleman come from behind. I've never met
this metaphor come from behind. He goes, you're having a boy.
I can tell because you're carrying from the back.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Oh Jesus. And I was like, don't don't gross f
you do. You also have a lot of people just
lean over and touch your stomach, you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Know, But I just was like, I was like, you're
so you're basically saying that I'm like bigger in the back,
Like that's what that is. You're calling me fat and
I'm pregnant right now and I'm going to punch you
in the face. Yeah, like that kind of aggression, that
pregnancy as I love that, But not all bellies look
the same. My whole point of telling that story is
not all pregnant bellies look the same. Not everybody's gonna
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have like this difference. And I just think it's a
weird thing to like have a conspiracy theory and I'm not, but.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's like, why why would they do that? Why? Well,
I think it just everyone kind of wants to lean
too this idea that she's lying, that she's manipulative, that
she and Harry have put up this fate facade. And
they did get a lot of really positive publicity with
both their pregnancies, like anyone does because like that's a
beautiful story and people like that. But with Lillabet's pregnancy,
it was such a big deal for like their public
(26:29):
narrative because they'd broken away from the Royal family. They'd
been in hiding in Canada. They'd had to flee when
COVID was happening and go and stay in like you know,
in isolation in La and then she wrote that op
ed remember about having the miscarriage and how traumatic that was.
And then months passed and no one saw them, and
they released this photo where she was pregnant. It was
(26:50):
like this big, joyful, lovely thing. So I think it's
people saying like you manufacture that whole story, like the pregnancy,
loss and being in hiding, and you only release that
one photo. And I guess when she was pregnant Archie,
because she was such a public figure then she was
a working royal. You were seeing her like out and
about when she was like quite heavily pregnant. And then
even though she didn't do the coming out of the
(27:11):
hospital steps like most royals do, she and Harry did
like hold that photo Opena with photography birth and she
came out. And also like physically she looks different, like
she looked like she had given birth, but like you
didn't have that access with the labete. So I think
that's where it comes from.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, but it's also like it was COVID, like.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
We no, I know, you shouldn't have to walk out down.
I understand why the royals feel they have to do
it because it's like part of their duty. Yeah, but
I don't think you'd have to walk down hospital steps
once you've given birth. But also a lot of other
famous women have been accused of faking their pregnancies. Its
just a weird thing to like people still think a
hundred people in the world, like, so many people still
(27:48):
one hundred percent think that Beyonce faked hebe Do you
remember that? Because when she was pregnant with Blue Ivy,
she went and did that TV appearance and she walks
out and she leans in and like it is a
weird angle, but we did a weird camera. It looks
like her stomach completely folds over and falls out and
then pops back in. And in that video, if you
watch the way it's filmed, it one hundred percent looks
(28:10):
like she's wearing like a tie on stomach made of
like rubber or something folded and then it pops back
into place. But I just do think that it was
probably just the camera. Angley's probably just the camerangle.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Again, Like honestly, when I bent over when I was pregnant,
sometimes my tummy will move in a weird way.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, And I also think, like if you are wearing
a fake stomach and faking a pregnancy. I don't know
if you'd be walking around a TV studio and doing
live TV. That's the only thing is like you would
just kind of be like being photographed from a distance.
Like Beyonce is only out and seen when she wants
to be, so she wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
If they really wanted to. These people have accessed so
much money. Do you know how realistic you could make
a baby bump? B loook? We're not going on Amazon
and buying a cheap one from like.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It's not a folded pip.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It's not like a folded like come on, guys.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, yeah, these are people with access to like well
well yeah, all the kind of Hollywood studio stuff, full.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Prosthetics like you've seen in movies now they do the
full prosthetic stumay and they look real.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
They have veins and everything. If you look in graz anatomy. Yeah,
I really want a pillow. I want one celeb to
do that. The thing is, if you look at a
photo anyway, like at the moment, do you know how
many people at the moment have come up to me
and said, like Taylor Swift is pregnant, Like She's just pregnant.
There's no question about it. And first of all, I
think there's two ends of the spectrum. Women are either
faking their pregnancies or they're hiding their baby bump sis.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I hate it.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I hate it with the Taylor sis stuff. I'm like, well,
she might be pregnant. I don't know. I don't know it.
I don't know anyone in her in a circle. I
have no idea. But I don't think you can tell
that she's pregnant from these few photos that are flying
around that are just an odd angle of her leaving
a restaurant, and if it was taken from the other side,
she wouldn't look pregnant.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Also, do you know why that really pisses me off?
Taylor Swift has been really open about having issues with
like an eating disorder and talking about how much that
affected her. Telling someone that you think that they look
pregnant when they're not is really like, and if you've
suffered with eating disorders in the past the way that
she has, because she's so scrutinized by the press.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, that's like really really had damaging And if she.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Was trying to get pregnant, that I couldn't get pregnant,
and this I think I get really sensitive about this
because of what I went through with my first baby.
When people would be like, Oh, you're pregnant, aren't you,
I'm like, no, I'm just fat from IVF. Thanks for asking.
So I just don't bank comments about women and babies
(30:34):
and their bodies, like do not do it. I get
really like it's like a real touch point for me,
So that really bothers me.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
It is, yeah, and it's just about people wanting I think,
for her in particular, like some new narratives, some new
because she wasn't seen for a while. Then she was
seen popping out of these different restaurants. And again, it's
all about the angle that you get and the way
you shoot, like anyone can look anything in those different angles.
And I do think like a lot of traditional media
outlets who used to say like such pregnant wouldn't touch
(31:02):
it now. And I think one of the best things
I've ever seen is when Rihanna was at the Super
Bowl and she did have a baby bump, and no
one except for a few randoms on Twitter, but no
outlets said anything. And afterwards there was a lot of
bad commentary about this as being like, Oh, everyone's pretending
she wasn't pregnant and they were too scared to say it.
I'm like, yeah, that's what we call progress.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, you come out out say it. Allow when someone
is ready to tell you that they are pregnant. We've
gone off topic here, but I'm like really passionate about this. Yeah,
someone will tell you that they are pregnant when they
are ready. Yeah, do not ask them if they're not
having a directory and be like, oh, are you're pregnant,
don't do it. Maybe they're trying exactly. There's this so
many things I'm very passionate about that I don't know and.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I understand that, and there's again any kind of comments
around like body weight. Fertility is just like very messed
up because there's so many layers to it, and it's
kind of this thing of like people like demanding and
I think that's where like it's so odd to tie
faked pregnancies and like people looking for baby bumps together.
But it's all the same, it's all coming from the
same place of people looking at these very scrutinized videos
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and photos of women and trying to like pick apart
what's happening to like have a gotcha moment and be
the first one to sort of know, well, like have
some kind of conspiracy theory. So again, I know we've
gone off on a tangent, but important it was.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But I felt very very passionate about that.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It goes back into even though what Brookshield said was
very lighthearted, it goes back into that thing of like,
this is why Megan Markle I think, why she's so
scared to say anything or look a certain way or
do anything because she knows. All she did was post
a video of her dancing before her daughter was born,
looking really happy, and then Prince Harry's dancing and they
(32:42):
look really cute. They look so in love.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I mean I'd probably be pretty precious too if
that was the way people respond.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
What has come from that is people being like she
has faked a pregnancy and where did that child come from?
And it's just like, can't have this is all be
kind of nice things.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
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to The Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And I'm Cassanna Lukic and on today's show, some more
fun stuff for us, and we are diving in to
the woman that we and all of the Internet can't
stop talking about, and that is Megan Michael. But this
time with a slight twist. We've got a little bit
of Bookshields in there as well, which should be very exciting. Yes,
(00:51):
But first what we're going to do is talk about
the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. There is an update
and we have to address it because I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
About this, and for the first time ever, I'm excited
about a Housewives update because you're not a big Housewives
fan and this is and long term listeners of a
Spill will know this because obviously there's been so many
new stories around them over the years. And I've always said, like,
I'm just on a big reality TV person unless it's
for work. So I've interviewed many Housewives stars over the years,
(01:19):
and I find them very fascinating to interview, but I
just can't get behind that franchise. I understand how people
watch it. It's just never ever been for me until this
announcement came out over the weekend and for the first time,
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
This is like a really good like lead up. If
you don't know who this is.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, bring me some dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So the newest cast member announced this week is the
one only Rachel Zoe.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, are you? Are
you not?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm super shocked as well. I actually thought she probably
would have fit better in New York, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Franchise LA Base. She's an LA girl, I.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Know, but I just feel like I have vibe. It's
gonna be really interesting to see how she meshes with
the girls. So she basically announced the news on Instagram.
She said, here we go again at Bravo TV. I'm
a few joining the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and
back with my Bravo family. Now she's talking about she's
to do the Rachel Zoe Project and that from like
two thousand and eight, twenty thirteen, So she's not like
(02:21):
unfamiliar with reality TV. If you don't know who Rachel
Zoe is, She's a stylist, like fashion icon. I'm really
fascinated with the last few castmates that they've brought in
this last season season fourteen. Bozoma Saint John, who is
nicknamed boz Like she was the head of marketing at Netflix. Like,
(02:42):
she's an amazing powerhouse woman. Rachel Zoe also like massive
powerhouse so really like moving away from and they've been
doing this for years, but this Whole Housewives, Yeah, it's
not because they all have huge jobs and things, right, Yeah,
like that's not really what it's about anymore. So I
(03:02):
think bringing her on is going to be really interesting.
So at the time we recorded this, there have been
no other past announcements or like confirmations. But at the
end of season fourteen, Garcel Bevo actually did leave, So
I did see that. Yeah, So Garcel left right before
(03:23):
the reunion and she said it was time to you
just wanted to spend more time with her family and
producing and things like that. She didn't have a great season.
I think that she probably was just like seeing the
writing on the wall and you know what, and go
time out of it, but we've still got Kyle Richards, Erica,
Jane drek Kemsley Sutton Strack, and Bezoma Saint John, and
(03:44):
then there were still appearances by Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly.
So with Garcel out of that, if we assume it's
the same cars, Rachel Zoe will be fitting into that,
which would be really interesting because there's been so much
conflict between Derete and Kyle yes past season.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Oddly for someone who doesn't watch the show very very
across this you look at this stuff all day, every well, exactly,
I'm seeing it all. I interviewed Kyle when she came
to Australia, very quiet and reserved, did offer to clean
up the hotel room unprompted, and I wore the furniture
herself and then started moving the furniture and I said,
Kyle Richards, you don't have to move the table. We'll
get someone else to do that. That's my content with them.
(04:25):
The reason though I'm excited about Rachel Zoe joining and
also surprised, is that she's not a conflict person. She's
always kept her like branding and her personal the way
she presents herself to the world. For someone who's like
you know, has got her fame through mostly reality TV
and her celebrity connections always comes across very much like
very lovely on everyone's side, even though behind the scenes
(04:48):
we know that she's probably not like that, which is
what I'm most excited to see.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I mean the way that I see her portrayed
as well is like she's a business woman, like she's
a hot us. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I don't
think she's soft.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
No interesting. Seeing her not be able to control the
edits the whole thing that Rachel's off anyone's not. I
feel like this is like a very like Her life
and her career is a very particular mo moment, particularly
for millennial women in that age of like those tabloid
paparazzi girls, because she became one of the first big
celebrity stylists that I'm going to go ahead and say,
like the common people like me, like a girl living
(05:22):
in towns or would know about. It's because she started
dressing all of these big name Hollywood celebrities. She's been
in the industry for like thirty years, but she started
having all these huge red carpet moments with like Cameron
Diez and Demi Moore and Jennifer Ghana, and people started
talking like who is dressing these women on the red
cart But they just look very different to the way
that other women are dressing and it was very a
(05:43):
very specific style and it came out it was Rachel
zo And then she also started becoming very good friends
with everyone she dressed. Yeah, d remember those days. So she
would be really good friends with like Jennifer Gana, who
would say lovely things about her, very good friends with
Anne Hathaway when she like dressed her for the Oscars.
But more importantly than that, she would go out and
party with these girls when they were at their peak
(06:05):
of being like the queens of La of the tabloid girls.
She would go out and party with Nicole Richie, who
she was very good friends with, with Paris Hilton, who
she was friends is with Lindsay Loewen until all of
that blew up. Remember the horse tranquilizers.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Do you remember that that's not ringing any bells?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
She addressed on The Rachel Zoe Project, which is an
incredible show that's about her styling crew. It's on Hey
you If anyone hasn't watched it. It's such a good rewatch.
But she became very good friends with all these famous
girls around the same time that all of their style
really started evolving and they all started looking the same room.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Also very boho like. Yeah, so it was very boho
kind of florally, but then with like a bit of
an edge, and it was always about like the really
messy hair with curls with straight ends.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, yes, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It was that kind of period of time. I really
am so interested to see how she's gonna slot in.
I'm trying to figure out who's going to be her,
like buddy, Yeah, I'm thinking maybe Erica Jane.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean, I don't know enough about her, but if
I love Rika Jay, but I wonder if there's lefto.
But I don't think she in Paris Hilton ever had
a blowout the way she potentially had to blow out
with Nicole Richie, because again, she was she was getting
packed with all these girls. She was dressing them the
same way. You know, the white baby doll dressers and
all the necklaces and the big chunky necklace, several chunky necklaces.
(07:26):
That is Rachel Zoe's one hundred and then all the
girl's body started changing the same time. This is when
around when like Nicole Richie lost a huge amount of weight,
so did Lindsay Lowyn and Misha Bart and Mischa Button
was also in that little gang. And all of a
sudden there were these accusations against Rachel Zoe that not
only and again accusations, I don't know. I wasn't there.
I wish I was allegedly allegedly that she was also
(07:49):
giving them these prescription pills to help them lose weight,
maybe horse tranquility, it was horse pills. There was something
around there. And the reason it became a biggertamine would.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Make him lose weight. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I don't know. Again, I'm like a teenager sitting.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
But everyone but everyone's on Zampi and Bonjaro now, so
I don't even know for a let to say those names.
Everyone's on the like weight loss drugs now anyway, But
she's always been very thin.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And she's always pushed back against that. So anyway, there
was some accusations around drug use, which she never really
talked about until. In fact, Rachel Zoe was the pioneer
for something that the Kardashians do a lot, which is
that they watch all the headlines blow up, they don't
say anything, and then they stage these scenes while they're
filming their reality shows months later and address at all
because it was so stage like they'd be in her
(08:38):
you know, she used had that dressing room in her house,
Rachel Zoe and all the slips would come in and
just try and all the dresses and fling all the
gowns around and it flooded once. Was the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
This is just like a rewatch of Rachel's open.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, she started doing a rewatch podcast and she stopped.
And I think it's because I hypothesize it's because the
host kept bringing up all of these scandals and she
didn't want to talk about it because she's very non scandal,
non confrontational. But they said to her on the show,
like her team members would say stuff that was very stage,
and they'd say, Rachel, there's all these reports that you're
(09:08):
giving the girls drugs and she was like, oh, oh
my god, where would I even get them from. I
don't know anything about that. I'm so busy. I just
come home. And it was like that's how she could
address it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But I mean, look, the rachelso Project ended in twenty thirteen.
There's not been a lot around Rachel Zoe in terms
of like she really had her moment in that sort
of two thousand and eight thousand.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Ye, I don't think she's ten dialing as much. She
has her podcast. But that's the other biggest thing is
that her husband, Roger, who she was married to for
like thirty years.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Nearly, they've just got divorce again.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Mind bowing that that happened because they were always in
their like their career together. He was on the show
all the time, they went to events together like this
really famous, powerful entertainment industry duo. They've gotten divorced in
the last couple of months, which was really shocking to
people because they've been together since they were like basically children.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So then maybe there's gonna be like Kyle Richard, durek
Kemsley and.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, because they were like single girls now right, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So Kyle Kyle obviously just is going through her separation
with Marizio, Dreet's going through with her separation with pick Hat,
and then Rachel going through her separation, So maybe they'll
be like the First Wives Club.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The one reason I don't watch your show is I
can't stand and they all yell and fight, like I
just can't handle that. But Rachel's is not a confrontational person,
but maybe maybe that'll maybe that'll come out in her.
It's also the first.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. Well, yeah, do you know do you
know what that reference? No?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I don't. I thought you're just yelling it and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay. If you know Real Housewive Beverly Hills, you know that.
That's when Denise Ridges was on it and she basically
it was like a code for we're not talking about this,
and she went Bravo, Bravo, Bravo.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Oh she was another one. I was really shocked that
went on it, but in the same way that she's
been saying, I was just thought you were yelling brav
when I was like really into it and supporting you
in that endeavor, thank you. I actually just think she
will do that. She's been in reality TV shows for
a long time, but it's the first time she's not
like the star who can control her edit. Yeah, so
I don't know how she's going to go with that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, Andy both yeah, Andy Cohen, is you know he's
got quite a few tricks up his sleeves, I'm sure,
or he's got some big plans for it. But look,
Season fourteen has just finished. That finished kind of in April,
so I'm imagining they're probably gonna start filming that in
the next couple of months, towards the end of this year,
and then we'll get it at the end of this
(11:25):
year and then through the next year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I can't wait. I'll we watching for the first time ever.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh my gosh, okay, we have to do. I like
your reaction.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So Meghan Mikel is back in the headlines this week.
I mean, where's she out of the headlines? But this
is actually quite fah no, Well, this is a stage
right now. Is like every week I look at the
fifteen or so Meghan Markel headlines and I only kind
of center in on the ones for us to chat
about that I think are giving something new and different
to the conversation. Also scandalous that we can't ignore. And
this kind of falls into both camps. So Meghan Markle
(11:57):
actually hasn't said anything about this whole situation. The person
who is at the center of this is actress Brookshields,
So Brookshields recently went on the Indie Hicks podcast called
the Indie Hicks Podcast Creative name Man, but at least
you know, no one's cutting home grass in that area.
So she was talking about a panel that she was
asked to be on alongside Megan Markle at south By
Southwest in March of last year. So the panel was
(12:19):
hosted by Katie Kirk and it was called Selick and
you take a deep breath before you say this. It
was for International Women's Day and it was called breaking Barriers
Shaping Narratives how women lead on and off the screen,
which is obviously very interesting. So Brooke was giving her
take on how the panel with Megan went, and these
few sentences from her went completely viral.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And she's doing south By Southwest, Big, big, big, They're
closing the middle arena. They we're closing it out. Were
the only one. It's thousands of people, it's Kitty Kirk,
Meghan Markle and a doctor and Kitty asks me to
be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So I was like, okay, okay, okay, right, all right,
you know what, just do it. We get there.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Katy asks the first question to Megan and talks about
how you know, at a young age, she was already
advocating for women, etc. So she starts talking and telling
a story about how when she was eleven, and she
keeps saying, well, when I was eleven, I saw this
commercial and they were talking about washing dishes, and only
(13:23):
soap for washing dishes was for women. So I wrote
to the company. And when I was eleven, I wrote
my first letter. And then I was eleven. And she
kept saying she was eleven, She writes to the company,
they changed the text, they changed the commercial, and I go,
excuse me, I'm so sorry. I just I guys, just
interrupt you there for one minute. I was trying not
(13:44):
to be rude, but I wanted to be funny because
it was so serious, and I just want to give
everybody here a context as to how we're different. I said, well,
when I was eleven, I was playing a prostitute. The
place went insane, and then luckily it was more relaxed.
After that. It was just too precious, and I was like,
(14:06):
they're not gonna want to sit here for forty five
minutes and listen to anybody be precious, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
See, I love that. So so the film, she's actually
referring to Here is Pretty Baby, which was in nineteen
seventy eight. She's and that's that's the title of the
docu series that she did, so a lot behind Brookshields.
I absolutely loved that doco in nineteen seventy eight. She's
eleven years old and she's playing a prostitute. Like the
amount of inappropriate things that she had to go through
as a child actor, it's crazy. The way she was
(14:35):
treated is insane. I think the commentary she's making here
is can we just like cut the shit for a second.
We've heard this story, and I think with Megan, she
has told that story so many times, like everybody knows
that story. Even as we were listening to that audio
just then, I was like, oh, yes, I know when
(14:56):
you were eleven you wrote to the company and then
you changed it, and well you're such a great Like
it's great. It's an amazing thing for an eleven year
old to do. But the story has been told a
million times, So I kind of love that Brookshields kind
of just went cut the shit. Let's have a little
bit of fun here. Yeah, yes, we're talking about empowering women,
but we can also like lighten the mood a bit
(15:17):
like if we're losing the audience and we're losing thousands
of people, then like I'm going to try and pick
it up here. And that's a world.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Media tran Yeah, exactly. That's the thing like Brookshiels is
that she's been entertaining people since she was a child,
and she knows how to really hold a room and
she does talk about the serious stuff. I mean, especially
at that stage last year. The reason she was on
that panel is she was coming off the back of
like all the interviews and the doco series and everything
that she's kind of shone a line on with what
had happened to her in the industry and how she'd
been over sexualized as a child and everything she went
(15:47):
through with like being public about like her postpartum depression.
So she's she's done all that and she can talk
about the serious stuff. But I think she's such a
performer that she looked around the room and saw people faltering.
And it's hard because that Megan Michael's story. It's you
can see it's such a rehearsed moment for her, Like
she's told it in her Netflix documentary. She tells that
every podcast she's gone on. She's included in pieces she's written,
(16:10):
and like I should say, there is a little bit
of a question mark over whether, like she actually had
the ad change. The ad was changed, but I don't
think the company's ever come out and said, yes, there's
eleven and who would you even track down at this
stage to confirm that that. Maybe there was like such
an international backlash against it that they changed it. But
Meghan's always kind of maintained that that has shaped who
she is, and she's become an activist because of that
(16:31):
and look good on her. When I was eleven, I
only cared about like Disney princesses and teenage meeting Ninja Turtles.
I still kind of do actually, so I wasn't writing
letters to anyone. But I feel like that's a safe
space for Meghan where she's like, I know this story
paints me in a great light. I know people have
responded to it positively in the past. I know that
it's usually a crowd pleaser. So she just rolls it
(16:53):
out because I think she's so aware of the backlash
she'll get if she puts like a foot wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Do you know what those Well, it really reminds me
of like the Star is Born tour when lady gout, yeah,
there's a thousand people in the room and he's the
one that saw well, you know, like she told the
story so many times it it kind of became a joke,
even though this is a really amazing story, Like it's like, okay,
we've heard it.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's the thing with Pressed Well too is at the
moment is that because everything now goes on TikTok and everything.
That's why like all the producers from all like the
late night shows always call the talent be like what
new story have you got? What can you give us?
And they give their best stories to like the places
with the biggest audience because people don't want to peat
themselves for that reason. In saying that, though it was
meant to be like a bit of a closed panel,
(17:38):
I don't know if it was like being blasted everywhere.
But it's interesting listening to Brookshields on the podcast, which
I should say the podcast deleted. From what I can tell,
it's been deleted today. I'm pretty sure it was live
yesterday when I was listening to it. Because this has
been picked up everywhere. People are like Brookshields has finally
said what no one would say about Megan Markle, which
is kind of fair, like no other famous woman has
(17:59):
openly said that Megan Markle is too precious. That's not
a complete live a headline, but it's been picked up everywhere.
Everyone's like, I'm team Brooke and I'm team Megan, and
it's like very push and pull. And if you listen
to the interview, it doesn't sound like Brooke was trying
to attack her in any way.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
How do you listen to the whole podcast?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes, Oregon delete it.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So okay, this is like the Royal Family's involved for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well that's what people think, and potentially because of who
India Hicks is. So India Hicks was a model turned
entrepreneur podcast host, but her mother was a lady in
waiting to Queen Elizabeth. Her godfather is King Charles, and
she was a bridesmaid in Charles and Diana's wedding back
(18:44):
in the day. So she's not just in the royal family,
but she's like in the inner circle of the royal family.
Like she's seen all the skeletons.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think she's gotten a call from someone and they're gone.
This is just like this is made allegedly.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Oh please hypothesize away.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm this hypothetheti. I think that someone's gone, you need
to take that down.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well, I do think that's happened, But I actually think
that would come from Brookshields's team because for the Royal family,
this looks great for them because it's painted Meghan and Markel. Really.
I mean, I know she's the Duchess of Sussex, but
we're just gonna call her Megan. We're all friends by now.
It paints Megan actually hate Yeah, oh I know. She
we called her Megan, Meghan Sussex, Megan, Megan Meg. It's
(19:28):
like she's got a lot of names. That's fine, that's
just a fact. She always says to her friends, just
call me Meg. So maybe that's what we should do.
So I actually think that, well, at this stage, I've
defended that woman a lot. I've defended that.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So I actually think that it's Brookshields's team that are
behind this because she's come on to do this interview.
She's not usually confrontational about other celebrities, unless it's Tom
Cruise telling her that she shouldn't be taking drugs for
her postpartum depression. And that's a whole other situation. But
she's usually not very confrontational, and she even says at
the beginning, you might need to cut this out. I'm
just telling you. It's that moment where someone gives like
(20:06):
a small story in the midst of like a big,
wide ranging interview and it's gone viral. So I feel
like the royal family would be like, this looks great
for us because everyone's hating on Meg again. I actually
think it would be. I think it's Brooks team. We've
seen that it's gone everywhere. People are pitting them against
each other. Also a lot of people are saying that
Brooks Shields has been like aggressive and racist towards Meghan Markle.
(20:29):
It depends which social platform you look on which thread
where you're saying this. But I wonder if Brooks team
was like, hey, try to give you a nice interview,
can you just take that down? Because this is escalated
to an extent where every single news outlet today has
our two pictures and side by side again and like
kind of pushing against each other. And to be honest,
neither brook nor Meghan have come out of it great
because it's just escalated, like the worst stories about both
(20:51):
of them. Yeah, so at this stage, like it was
kind of like a small roll out effect, like first
the India Hicks podcast, like it took down the video. Now,
from what I can tell, the episode's gone down. I
haven't seen Brooks Shields comment directly on it, although I'm
sure she will at some stage. She's a pretty open book.
I haven't seen Meghan Markle comment on it. She's not
doing a lot of press at the moment. I don't
think she will until the next season of her Netflix
(21:12):
show comes out. But there's just no way she hasn't
seen the all encompassing headlines.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I don't even think it's that bad.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
No, no, it's not the actual what she said in
the moment. Wasn't that bad of Brookshields being like I
was just trying to get the audience to laugh, and
it's like like that, No, it's those two words when
she said too precious, because that's what people have been
saying about Megamarkele, but no other famous woman has said it.
And it was that that has really kind of like
it's like a waving a red flag in front of
(21:40):
a herd of bulls. Now, everyone just ran towards it. Yeah,
I'll be interested to know what the fallout is when
that comes out.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
We'll keep you posted. So we were going to stay
on Megamchael. Now, I think a big part of the
reason that Mega Michael is so protective of anytime she
says anything is because of the amount of rumors, conspiracy theories,
like the amount that comes off this woman is insane,
and it kind of links into this whole like I'm
(22:08):
sure you've seen that the depths of the Internet like
Reddit and YouTube and TikTok, there's this whole conspiracy theory
that she was never really pregnant, and there was that video.
Have you seen the.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Video, the one that she posted recently. Yeah, yeah, so
was it to celebrate And look, I defend Megan mark
lo over a lot. I can't get behind this name
because I kind of also love it. It was about
the birth of little Bit, right, I like, Lilla BET's cute,
just like such a funny name, a little bit I.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Bet, I do. I think it's really sad.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I believe me to you kind of like name a
child that, like, change your daughter's name to be a
little bet my daughter's Yeah, that's very cute, But I
think it's more the story behind it, where like, yeah,
it was the queen's nickname that her like I think
just her dad called her and then maybe her husband. Yeah,
and then when she was first born, they said the
Queen approved, and I was like, oh, that's cute, Like
(23:02):
maybe the Queen really wanted her to be called Lila
Bet and when like we'll throw a bone of cause
a bit of drama. But then all these stories have
come out. I have no basis for any of this
that she was quite like offended that they called their
daughter her private nickname. But again, a little bet. Look,
it's like I said, I both love it and hate it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think it's really sweet. But so the thing is,
there's this video going around where she's bending over and
the way her belly moves. People are saying that it's
a pillow.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, so it's her and Prince Harry. They're in the hospital,
so it's an old it's obviously an older view. It's
to celebrate Littlebit's birthday and it's like between contractions and
they look so cute and happy, look so happy. They're
dancing around the hospital room. It was a TikTok trend
at the time, right that if you were in labor,
you would do a dance to this like particular song,
and they look really happy. And the way she's dancing
(23:50):
is like quite impressive for a woman who is like
so heavily pregnant. And then yeah, because her stomach moves
and she's wearing a billowy dress and the way she
holds it up and the way she presses it in.
Sometimes people have gone through and freeze framed all the
different clips and said that it's a fake stomach that's
attached and it's been like pre recorded and she's not
(24:10):
pregnant and you can tell by the videos.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Okay, I think that's just such crap, Like not all
pregnant bellies look the same, honestly, Like I have had
my criticisms of Medica remarkle, but why but you don't.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Think she's throwing a fake pregnancy belly?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, Like also, honestly, there are pregnant women whose bellies
are not like completely tight and taught and like you
know what I mean. Like, I think it's because it
moves in a certain way, Like you can still have
fat on your stomach when you're pregnant, and it can
move in a different way and you can still like,
I think what we often see in the media with
(24:46):
pregnant bellies is really perfectly round, beautiful bumps. There's no
like ye fat anywhere. It's just like a belly. Yeah,
it's that's what we see a lot of.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, it's that kind of conventionally beautiful figure that we've
been told is like how women should look. And then
like the little basketball pop, kind of like in that
movie What to Expect, You're Expecting, where they have like
the pregnancy unicorn, when thing about you looks pregnant, except
you have a little pop of a stomach y which
instantly goes away the moment you have a baby, which
is not what happens to most women.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I once had when I was pregnant with my first
I had a gentleman come from behind. I've never met
this metaphor come from behind. He goes, you're having a boy.
I can tell because you're carrying from the back.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Oh Jesus. And I was like, don't don't gross f
you do. You also have a lot of people just
lean over and touch your stomach, you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Know, But I just was like, I was like, you're
so you're basically saying that I'm like bigger in the back,
Like that's what that is. You're calling me fat and
I'm pregnant right now and I'm going to punch you
in the face. Yeah, like that kind of aggression, that
pregnancy as I love that, But not all bellies look
the same. My whole point of telling that story is
not all pregnant bellies look the same. Not everybody's gonna
(26:01):
have like this difference. And I just think it's a
weird thing to like have a conspiracy theory and I'm not, but.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's like, why why would they do that? Why? Well,
I think it just everyone kind of wants to lean
too this idea that she's lying, that she's manipulative, that
she and Harry have put up this fate facade. And
they did get a lot of really positive publicity with
both their pregnancies, like anyone does because like that's a
beautiful story and people like that. But with Lillabet's pregnancy,
it was such a big deal for like their public
(26:29):
narrative because they'd broken away from the Royal family. They'd
been in hiding in Canada. They'd had to flee when
COVID was happening and go and stay in like you know,
in isolation in La and then she wrote that op
ed remember about having the miscarriage and how traumatic that was.
And then months passed and no one saw them, and
they released this photo where she was pregnant. It was
(26:50):
like this big, joyful, lovely thing. So I think it's
people saying like you manufacture that whole story, like the pregnancy,
loss and being in hiding, and you only release that
one photo. And I guess when she was pregnant Archie,
because she was such a public figure then she was
a working royal. You were seeing her like out and
about when she was like quite heavily pregnant. And then
even though she didn't do the coming out of the
(27:11):
hospital steps like most royals do, she and Harry did
like hold that photo Opena with photography birth and she
came out. And also like physically she looks different, like
she looked like she had given birth, but like you
didn't have that access with the labete. So I think
that's where it comes from.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, but it's also like it was COVID, like.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
We no, I know, you shouldn't have to walk out down.
I understand why the royals feel they have to do
it because it's like part of their duty. Yeah, but
I don't think you'd have to walk down hospital steps
once you've given birth. But also a lot of other
famous women have been accused of faking their pregnancies. Its
just a weird thing to like people still think a
hundred people in the world, like, so many people still
(27:48):
one hundred percent think that Beyonce faked hebe Do you
remember that? Because when she was pregnant with Blue Ivy,
she went and did that TV appearance and she walks
out and she leans in and like it is a
weird angle, but we did a weird camera. It looks
like her stomach completely folds over and falls out and
then pops back in. And in that video, if you
watch the way it's filmed, it one hundred percent looks
(28:10):
like she's wearing like a tie on stomach made of
like rubber or something folded and then it pops back
into place. But I just do think that it was
probably just the camera. Angley's probably just the camerangle.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Again, Like honestly, when I bent over when I was pregnant,
sometimes my tummy will move in a weird way.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, And I also think, like if you are wearing
a fake stomach and faking a pregnancy. I don't know
if you'd be walking around a TV studio and doing
live TV. That's the only thing is like you would
just kind of be like being photographed from a distance.
Like Beyonce is only out and seen when she wants
to be, so she wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
If they really wanted to. These people have accessed so
much money. Do you know how realistic you could make
a baby bump? B loook? We're not going on Amazon
and buying a cheap one from like.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It's not a folded pip.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It's not like a folded like come on, guys.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, yeah, these are people with access to like well
well yeah, all the kind of Hollywood studio stuff, full.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Prosthetics like you've seen in movies now they do the
full prosthetic stumay and they look real.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
They have veins and everything. If you look in graz anatomy. Yeah,
I really want a pillow. I want one celeb to
do that. The thing is, if you look at a
photo anyway, like at the moment, do you know how
many people at the moment have come up to me
and said, like Taylor Swift is pregnant, Like She's just pregnant.
There's no question about it. And first of all, I
think there's two ends of the spectrum. Women are either
faking their pregnancies or they're hiding their baby bump sis.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I hate it.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I hate it with the Taylor sis stuff. I'm like, well,
she might be pregnant. I don't know. I don't know it.
I don't know anyone in her in a circle. I
have no idea. But I don't think you can tell
that she's pregnant from these few photos that are flying
around that are just an odd angle of her leaving
a restaurant, and if it was taken from the other side,
she wouldn't look pregnant.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Also, do you know why that really pisses me off?
Taylor Swift has been really open about having issues with
like an eating disorder and talking about how much that
affected her. Telling someone that you think that they look
pregnant when they're not is really like, and if you've
suffered with eating disorders in the past the way that
she has, because she's so scrutinized by the press.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, that's like really really had damaging And if she.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Was trying to get pregnant, that I couldn't get pregnant,
and this I think I get really sensitive about this
because of what I went through with my first baby.
When people would be like, Oh, you're pregnant, aren't you,
I'm like, no, I'm just fat from IVF. Thanks for asking.
So I just don't bank comments about women and babies
(30:34):
and their bodies, like do not do it. I get
really like it's like a real touch point for me,
So that really bothers me.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
It is, yeah, and it's just about people wanting I think,
for her in particular, like some new narratives, some new
because she wasn't seen for a while. Then she was
seen popping out of these different restaurants. And again, it's
all about the angle that you get and the way
you shoot, like anyone can look anything in those different angles.
And I do think like a lot of traditional media
outlets who used to say like such pregnant wouldn't touch
(31:02):
it now. And I think one of the best things
I've ever seen is when Rihanna was at the Super
Bowl and she did have a baby bump, and no
one except for a few randoms on Twitter, but no
outlets said anything. And afterwards there was a lot of
bad commentary about this as being like, Oh, everyone's pretending
she wasn't pregnant and they were too scared to say it.
I'm like, yeah, that's what we call progress.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, you come out out say it. Allow when someone
is ready to tell you that they are pregnant. We've
gone off topic here, but I'm like really passionate about this. Yeah,
someone will tell you that they are pregnant when they
are ready. Yeah, do not ask them if they're not
having a directory and be like, oh, are you're pregnant,
don't do it. Maybe they're trying exactly. There's this so
many things I'm very passionate about that I don't know and.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I understand that, and there's again any kind of comments
around like body weight. Fertility is just like very messed
up because there's so many layers to it, and it's
kind of this thing of like people like demanding and
I think that's where like it's so odd to tie
faked pregnancies and like people looking for baby bumps together.
But it's all the same, it's all coming from the
same place of people looking at these very scrutinized videos
(32:07):
and photos of women and trying to like pick apart
what's happening to like have a gotcha moment and be
the first one to sort of know, well, like have
some kind of conspiracy theory. So again, I know we've
gone off on a tangent, but important it was.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But I felt very very passionate about that.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It goes back into even though what Brookshield said was
very lighthearted, it goes back into that thing of like,
this is why Megan Markle I think, why she's so
scared to say anything or look a certain way or
do anything because she knows. All she did was post
a video of her dancing before her daughter was born,
looking really happy, and then Prince Harry's dancing and they
(32:42):
look really cute. They look so in love.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I mean I'd probably be pretty precious too if
that was the way people respond.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
What has come from that is people being like she
has faked a pregnancy and where did that child come from?
And it's just like, can't have this is all be
kind of nice things.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, thank you so much for listening to the Spill today,
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