On the show today, preparations for the Met Gala are in full swing for the entertainment elite, but a bigger and more sinister story will be unfolding on that same day.
Plus, BJ Novak has a famous new girlfriend, and it’s safe to say that people are absolutely livid about it, all due to a relationship we’re not supposed to mention.
And two famous Aussie cook book authors are currently locked in a battle over recipe ownership, now we need to unpack exactly what has happened and the new allegations that have just come to light.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Kelly McCarry and we have a juicy
episode coming up. We really do.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And we're not in Maya's office. We're not super cozy,
but I'm sitting cross legged. I've got a big cozy jacket.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Laura and I actually look like we are at different days.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We'll look We're dressed for completely different seasons.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm in the middle of winter. You are white lotus.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm trying to get the last bit of my summer wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And I think is very smart.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But yes, we're actually sitting in a studio. We're so
fancy right now, so maybe we'll sound more professional. I
don't know. You guys be the judge of that. But
we do have a very juicy episode coming up for
you because we have a bit of an update on
one of Hollywood's most scandalous secret celebrity romances.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We also are talking about baking bad.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
How long you spend coming up with that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Probably way too long this morning. It was way too long.
I'm just joking. I didn't, but I was chuckling to myself.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, I've got two Australian celebrity chefs and I'm gonna
call them influences because they have influence, pretty big influences. Yes,
because they have so much influence, either of them, and
they are huge. Oh yeah, that that crazy shocks me.
So we're going to get into that huge, big legal
battle and back and forth. Everyone's picked aside. We're getting
into that. But first, so next week is going to
(01:41):
be a huge week in entertainment because well it's the
first Monday in me very famously when happen.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's happening, Harry, your schedule.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So embarrassing is that I've had to like actually clear
my schedules because no, no, because I have to work
long hours around the Megala. And when you explain to
people like I was like this year that Megala's falling
on my birthday, so I had to cancel my birthday plans,
which is fine, then come into work and do like
an extra extra long day. And when I was like
telling people like oh no, no, I'm like I can't
do this. I can't do that. It's met Gala, people like,
(02:12):
are you going yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Are you going?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
No, biggest fashion celebrity day of the year pretty much.
It's more so than your skis.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Now one hundred percent, it's going to be so much bigger.
So I mean, anyway, our coverage around that is going
to be lit, guys, So just make sure you're here
with us next week. But on the same day, which
is very telling. Sean Combs is finally going to trial.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Diddy, but Lauren just said off camera, she goes, can't
call him that anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Just feels weird to be like, did he's it's too late, mate, Yeah,
And I feel like also in the legal papers he's
called Sean Comb. So that's kind of how we're falling
to it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
If you were court, I would not call you lawsy,
not that I've ever called you that before.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But yeah, I get it. Yeah, because obviously he's changed
his name a few times over the years. I remember
when I was in like primary school, he was puff Daddy,
and oh.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
My god that I did not ever realize that that
was the same person.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, puff Daddy, P Diddy Diddy. He's changed his name.
He's like Taylor Swift with the errors, except he changes
his name's actual name.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Maybe because he's trying to escape his past.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know, some people have said that. So Sean Crombs
is going to trial for multiple charges of sex trafficking, racketeering,
and transportation to engage in prostitution. So it's something we've
covered a lot on the spill. Basically a few different
people have come forward over the years, and then finally
the lawyer who's sort of leading the charge against him
put out a call. Hundreds of people came forward with allegations.
(03:34):
From that, the legal team like talk through them all,
and it's like very hard to bring these things to
court because there's like statute of limitations. It's also very
hard to prove. You have to have evidence. That's why
when anyone says like, oh, people just do it for
the fame, and like they have to Really, again, we
don't know who's guilty or not. It's going to trial
and it'll be decided to the legend. Yes, but what
I'm saying, it's not an easy thing to take someone
(03:54):
to court for this or to have them found guilty.
Like you have to have a huge amount of evidence
and you have to prove beyond a shadow of a
doubt that it actually happened. So that's all kicking off
on the first Monday in May. So it's really interesting
that you're going to have someone who's been like the
pinnacle of fame for so long, someone who's not at
the event, yes, not at the event, but also have
(04:14):
this huge trial happening in New York when the Met
Gala is taking place, and also for so long shown homes.
I guess people are alleging that he got away with
this because he is so famous everyone epitome of celebrity
like he did that kind of like crazy over the
top lifestyle and through all those huge parties and all
the celebrities came around him in the same way. They're
(04:35):
kind of going to gather at the Met Gala, you know,
for fame, to had their photos taken, to have the
infamous stories.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Will it be video recorded?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Some of it is yet going to be live streamed,
so you'll be able to watch a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Kind of love that about the American court system. That
makes so Yeah, I know that I shouldn't say that,
but it does.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Well, I know, well, people just didn't really invest in it,
especially in this one because there are like throughout the
accusations and like the initial court hearings and when he
was initially being charged, they were talking about all these
huge celebrity names where they were just in the court
papers called like celebrity, A celebrity B. But they're meant
to be like AAA listers who are involved. So I
think people are going to be watching for their names
to come out. But they did have like a pre
(05:14):
hearing before the trials over a week ago, and Shawn
Crome's attorneys said that his defense basically they were kind
of like putting out their initial arguments and they said
his defense is going to be that he thought it
was appropriate to have multiple sex partners, including sex workers,
because he thought it was common. So that's going to
be his defense, which again not getting like super into
(05:35):
the whole legal side of it. But I don't think
anyone's accusing him of cheating, Like you can't get to
court and cheating.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh that's not the problem.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We've got here, Yes, so much bigger situation. So I
love that that's what he's trying. Oh, I didn't cheat
on anyone.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Oh yeah that's good. Yeah, that's between you and your
partner at the time that you keep on the back
of that came back to the group chat. The rest
of us want to know about the sex trafficking and
rape charges. So anyway, Yes, it just feels like this
has been in the works for so long. So this Monday,
same day as the met Gala, the Shawn Cromes case
will kick off and we'll finally sort of, I guess,
(06:08):
get answers to a lot of these questions that have
been bubbling around for over a year.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Okay, Laura, talk to me about BJ, because I've got
no idea what you're about to that sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I actually don't.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I was just saying I was like, in the planning meeting,
both a producer and Laura were like, bollow up BJ,
and I was like, I just missed it, and then
I didn't have a time to even look at what
they were referring to.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, Well, the Laura around this is extensive and intense
and many layers. So I'm glad that I'm going to
be able to explain it to you.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay, yes, so as if I was a listener at home.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yes, so, oh, our listeners are across this. We've been
talking about me, Get.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Off the mic, get a listener back on, because you've
got no idea.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
No, I'm just saying this spiller is they know the vibe.
They know the salacious celebrity gossip that we speak about
in this pod that we wouldn't say out loud anywhere else. So.
Bj Novak is a comedian, a writer, and actor, most
famously known from the Office, was one of kind of
the big breakout stuff. Yes, you've watched The Office, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh my god, one of the greatest TV.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, great, Then that's all you need to know about
the rest of this story. So while working on The Office,
Bj met a young lady called Mindy Kaling who was
originally hired to be a writer on the Showy and
Yes and then got carsas Kelly Kapaul and again is
one of the big breakout stars of that show and
then went on to be one of the most powerful
people on Hollywood. That that's not even a joke.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And favorite sex lives of college girls. Yes you're listening, got.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
The MINDI project running point recently her books, Oh my god,
and her books is actually where I'm getting a lot
of my information. So I had gone to the source
because I'm a huge Mindy Kayley. I just yeah, I
just love everything that woman creates. I love everything she says.
I would just watch that Megan Markle episode over and
over again. Because she doesn't do anything public anymore. Is
there on any access I have to her? But I've
(07:51):
read her books multiple times because they are the ultimate
comfort reads. And in her books she writes about meeting
bj and having this like instant connection with him.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like romantic.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Well they did date for a little bit. And the
whole thing is that because they've both talked about their
intense friendship over the years, because they data, because their
characters on the show dated, people have thought for many,
many years that they are secretly in love, and the
fantia above that of people thinks that they're still not
only secretly in love but married. And this pit's a
(08:24):
bit icky. So I don't like to speculate on this,
but this is what people say. Want to see it anyway,
I'm just going to say the people think. So Mindy
Kelley has three children. She has Catherine called Kit adorable.
Is he the secret baby daddy? Well, that's what the
people say. So she has Spencer and then she has
Aunt which isn't that the cutest name for a little girl?
Like it's so retro aunt so mindy. Kelley has her
three children and she doesn't like show their photos or anything,
(08:46):
but sometimes she's like the back of their head or
she'll talk about them like she's obviously an incredible mother.
But she's never talked about who the father of the
children is or she said, she's never sort of really
gone in. Yeah, she's talked about wanting to like she
chose that she wanted to be a mum and she
desperately wanted these kids and she made the choice to
have them and all these sorts of things, but she's
(09:08):
never sort of said like this person is the father
or anything like that. Still to this day, people think
that bj Novak is the father of her children, and
some people even think they're married, which I don't think
one does.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He have kids on his public life.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
No, again, not that we're aware of. I don't think
they're married, because tmsey would be all over that, that
marriage certificate would be somewhere. But people do think they're together,
and obviously they set records.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
TMS would also be all.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Over well, I know, but I think that's a bit
harder to find because I don't know how mine is
on the public record. Yeah, because it's mine is, And
also whether you put the person's name, I don't know.
There's a whole lot there. So every time there's speculation
around bj Novak dating someone, people get really angry and
fighter because they're just like, how dare you cheat on
your wife and your three children? My god, no, I know.
(09:56):
The line between fantasy and reality for this, for the
fans is so like blurred, it doesn't even exist anymore.
It's like a faint yage in the distance. What is
your relationship status with Mindy Galing? Really? Yes, very It's
so boring.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's just it's it's a great relationship. It's a great relationship,
friendship and support and amusing each other relationship.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So this week, the Mindy and Bja fans, they're having
a tough week. Thoughts of prayers with them because it's
been confirmed by People magazine, not by the people themselves,
but People magazine, who would not confirm it unless it
was true that bj Novak is officially dating TikTok star
Delaney Row. And if you've seen Delaney we're on TikTok.
She's like a lot of different like parodies and stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Hold on, let me google. Okay, so you need a visual,
I do, because I would probably know her if she's
Lanny Rowe.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
She has definitely popped up on your feed many times.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Oh my yeah, God, that is just I never would
have expected that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So apparently they've been dating since December. Make sense.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
She's very funny, good writer, Like, yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Like they'd have like their creative brains a lot younger
than Mesh. Yes, this is more of the scandal part
where I'm not angry that Bja is cheating on Mindy
because I don't know their business and I'm gonna go
out and a Limon says, well, I think that's probably
the case, which I almost kind of like better, Like
I love that they've been friend best friends, yeah, even
(11:25):
though like obviously they did date. Well, there's this thing
in Mindy's books where she talks about this line on
that she wrote for the office that she wrote with
BJ about soup snakes, which is like kind of like
a shorthand for soulmate kind of thing in her head now,
and that's what she in BJ say to each other.
So it's like where soup snakes where soulmates, like their
line has always been their platonic soulmates, which I actually
(11:45):
think is adorable. But I do understand why people think
that they're secretly together. But if they ask secretly together,
they must have an open relationship. Because he is always
about town with different ladies.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
She's probably like, I've got a job and three children
an empire, please go and poke someone else with you
also not together, so ye, by their words at least,
but you're not mad, but you're disappointed that he's gone
into the trope of dating someone that much younger than him,
because I actually.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Think that's the biggest story no one's talked to really about.
How is she so she's twenty eight and he's forty five? Again,
I mean, I guess once you get above twenty five
and forty, like, everyone's an adult. So it's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't even think I could date a twenty five
year old.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It is a very very different point without life forty five. Sorry,
how many forty five year old blokes do you know
that are friends with twenty five year old girls?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I know at a forty five year old, we're trying
to date twenty five year olds. Yees.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
But when they go, oh yeah, but they're really mature.
We just get along, so we'll really how many friends
do you have that are twenty five?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah? No, no, no, I know that's why Betty's such
a cliche in Hollywood, like it's such a dumb.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Thing or in cliche.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No no, but that's what I think is the more
interesting kind of thing. It's like, not that Bja is
cheating on Mindy, his fake wife and the fake mother
of fake children. I think it's more interesting that he
is just like another Hollywood guy who's dating a young woman.
So they've been linked since December of last year, but
it's only recently it's been confirmed by People magazine. Also
du Noir, the online gossip site Everyone Knows What that is,
(13:16):
has put up quite a few different pictures of them
out and about. Which is the other way it's being confirmed.
And I feel like if anyone in the world hates
Dumi with a fiery passion, it would be bj Novak
because it came out a few years ago bj Novak
was dating two women at the same time. Because the
Dumin spotters in New York, they're all over it, but
(13:37):
especially for him because he's like a new York lad
about town, like he's always out the street with a
different I don't like him. So he was spotted having
coffee and like lunch with one girlfriend at midday and
then out with his other girlfriend in the afternoon, and
Dumis ran all the photos of just and not even
in a got you kind of way. It was just
in their spotted section where they were like bj Novak,
(13:58):
oh with this woman at this restaurant, and then the
girls and this yeah, and then one of the girls
wrote in She's like, oh, I thought we were exclusive,
didn't know we had another date that day. And then
so he was basically out it and apparently both the
girls broke up with him again all speculation because they
both thought they were dating him, and then not even
just both dating him, the fact that he would have
ended that date and ran to the next one, and
(14:19):
then Dumoir just put it all out there. And now
Domoire has put out that that he's dating Delaney, which
has brought the mindy stands wrath upon him. So he's
not having a great day.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And you know that I am aware that I'll get
in trouble for commenting on appearance. But it looks like
her dad.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh really, I'm not saying you're right.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
A photo of them together, it looks like she's so
fresh faced.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And youthful looking. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I just think he's really handsome, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I do not, especially after he's a dirty dog. It
looks like her dad. Sorry, I could shmack a lot
of people, but someone that looks like my dad.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh, it's really hard because I have bj Novak blinder
glasses on that I've just like, i'd still see him
through Mindy Kaling's eyes, through like her books and what
she said about him and everything, and I just so
I just really do find him quite attractive as well.
And he decided just like her face is like so
screwed up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I know what the Mindy stands and don't like him.
She's the true talent.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, yes, yes, so he done since then, huh, he
doesn't know het.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Quite a bit, but he's not as Mindy's definitely the
more successful one over and above. But he always posting
to support her, like he'll he'll the bar so low.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's a good friend.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He went to this.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
He left his three children, three children.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
When those children get older, they'll be like, can you
please not like be connecting our uncle to.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
This is really weird. He's absolutely not our dad. I
love the idea of people shou stuff around.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
He's dad. He could be, he could be with not
even a stretch. I love thinking that the ming together secretly,
but I don't love the idea of like kind of
bringing the kids into it. That's a bit grace. But
with BJ, he'll like do things like again not to
defend him, but he'll do things like go to the
bus station where Mindy used to like get the bus
to work and take a photo of her movie poster
(16:09):
being on there and like post it. Be like could
you only imagine like back then, like how successful you are.
I'm so prouding that publicly.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Just send it to her in a message. Well, he's
also promoting her stuff, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Like you know all right. Otherwise, people have been saying
they have a four arm he's terrible. He doesn't. He doesn't.
And I can't believe this has become me defending BJ Novak.
But listen, this is where we're at exactly. So I
just want to say them, Indy, BJ fans, this week,
we see you. We know you're having a tough week.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But you know, so is Bjo because he has to
tuck in his date and then give.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Her a pat on the head.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Now, I really didn't have this on my bingo card,
but the internet is an absolute uproar about a caramel slice. Yes,
an allegedly thieved caramel slice. Two huge bake influences are
at the crux of an alleged baking bad plagiarism case.
I just slipped that one in again with beloved internet
sensation Nagi from recipe tin Eats this week accusing brook Bellamy,
(17:05):
also known as Brookie Bakehouse, of plagiarizing two of her
recipes in enemy's popular cookbook Bake with Brookie. In a
statement released across her social media pages, She's huge on
socials like the fact that I'd never heard of either
of these people is well, it shows the algorithm right
that you're in a target at all.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You're not bake that is.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
That is still wild to me. But I guess we
all see different things.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But I'm not a baker.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No neither am I. In fact, I don't. I've never
bought a cookbook. I don't think i've ever used a recipe.
I'm just a naturally gifted cook. That's not even lie
I am. But I'm super across. But like I'm super
across them because everyone I know survives off recipe to eat.
It's like all the girls in this office by cooking
her recipes and I so many never heard of her
in my life. Oh, I mean the recipes are great,
so maybe that you know something to look into, the
(17:50):
great recommendation for me for the week. Yeah, and people
love her and she's got a huge Instagram following and
online following, like my mom's obsessed with her and she's
barely on the internet. So if that kind of gives
you an idea of her reach, and then bake with Brookie.
Like at the moment, you can't walk into any shop
without seeing her book plastered everywhere. I hadn't seen her
shops and everything. Okay, Well, I mean that's that's a
lovely way.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That I think that it just goes to show that
if something isn't in your orbit, yeah, you will not
be targeted, Like you have to come across something first
for then it to be targeted to you. And someone
might be huge celebrities to one person and the next
person literally has never heard of hundred so wild that
that's the world of celebrity is these days exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
But I think for a lot of people, because they
have such huge followings in Australia, for a lot of people,
this is like watching your two favorite like podcast hosts
or writers or TV stars fight like it's their two
favorite people in this situation, which is why it's kind
of blown up.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah. So in the statement, Nagi said that two recipes
in the cookbook Bake with Brookie were uncannily similar to
recipes she had previously published. These were recipes for the
camel slice and backlavar, which Nagi posted side by side
screenshots of the ingredients, quantities and instructions from the two books.
(19:02):
She said that the similarities between the recipes amounted to plagiarism,
but that the lawyers for Penguin Random House Australia, which
published Bellamy's book, had rejected her claim and said all
recipes were written by Bellamy. Now you said, profiting from
plagiarized recipes is unethical, even if it's not copyright infringement,
and undermines the integrity of the entire book. It's a
(19:23):
slap in the face to every author who puts in
the hard work to create original content rather than cutting corners. Listen,
we can't say much because of legal stuff. Yeah, I
don't stand ow. I just flap my mouth without thinking.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'd be like, what are you going to see before?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Like Catty's only got three legs?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, I said to Kelly Boy started to rememberate it's
allegedly alleged exactly. And the thing is we also just
don't know, like we only seeing the statements come out.
But yeah, that's why everyone reporting on this case is
had to be really careful, like and it don't have comments,
so so have Naggi and Brook. They've both had to
turn off comments on their socials because you're liable for
deaf and met even if you don't say it. Especially
(19:59):
with Nagie when she first put the statement up, she
had to put an edit note and be like, thank
you so much for all support. I've read all your comments.
I've had to turn them off because people were like
assigning blame to Brook in the comments, and then she's
like illegally Naggy wanted well, I think she just wanted
people to know what she was going through exactly. But yeah,
that's why everyone's having to be really careful because of
this stage's allegations. And also Penguin Random House, who published
(20:22):
Brooks book, has come out completely rejected the claims and
said all the recipes were written by brook And then,
following Nagi's post, Brooke then put out her own, like
really long statement on her social account saying she didn't
plagiari as any of the recipes.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Some weird old photos she to do with.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, she was trying to show like photos she put
out before.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
One time, eight years ago, I made a caramel slice.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I mean, I guess like receipts is all the
thing right now, that's the rage of So that's what
people are trying to look for. So then she wanted
to stay in her statement, my book consists of one
hundred recipes I have created over many years since falling
in love with baking as a child and growing up
with my mum in the home kitchen. And she went
on to say that as soon as she heard Nagi's complaints,
as soon as that was made known to her, she
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said that she offered to remove both the caramel slide
and the backlavare recipes from future reprints of the cookbook
just to prevent further aggravation, and then went on to
say that, yeah, that she's like working with the publishing
company and stuff, but she's like been really really strict
in the fact that she's saying she did not play
Darys and her company is backing her and saying that.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But the oven gloves are now off.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yes, So so I just keep having to just little like, no,
I'm loving this bakery things in there. How often can
you do like bakery? Exactly? Not just not that often.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So there's been further claims of alleged plagiarism.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
US based food blogger Sally of Sally's Baking or Sally's
Baking Addiction also never heard of this person Sally's.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I just imagine being in the court reading this other're
like recipe team Eats in the defense against Brookie bake
House and supporting Sally's Baking Addiction with reporting by Sally's
Baking Addiction, Like they're all such sweet names and just
caught up.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It just sounded a little bit silly.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, has claimed her recipe for vanilla cake appeared in
Bake with Brookie, So in a statement that she then
posted to Instagram, Sally thanked Nagi for letting me know
months ago that one of my recipes published by me
in twenty nineteen was plagiarized in the book and also
appeared on Bellamy's YouTube channel. So the fans of recipe
(22:24):
tin Eats have taken to online forums. Now they're analyzing
all of Baked by Brookie recipes, uncovering further similarities between
Bellamy's Portuguese tart recipe and Bill Granger's Portuguese tart recipe
contained in his two thousand and six cookbook Every Day.
And I'm sure as this continues to gain traction and
the cranky people on the internet, the sleuths more will
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come to light.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Laura.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
On paper, this really doesn't sound that interesting, but it
actually really is.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Why has this captured the internet's attention in such a
huge way? People love Nagi? Oh yeah, everyone Niggi. People
love Nagi one hundred percent. When this first came out.
When Nagi first posted, like a couple of days ago,
the initial statement just I think everyone's group chat was
blowing up. Everyone's like Microso feel like everyone I know
(23:16):
in my immediate life had also no idea who they are.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Okay, well, everyone I know, no one bakes to be fair,
all cooks to really well.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
In my world, this was like huge breaking news. This
was it's what people almost love. Like. It was a
bit gossipy as well.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
In the Facebook group Tea Time, Oh it's all about
like gossip or like people sharing salacious story.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I need to get in and I was like, oh,
who is this?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
And that's where I first heard about it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, Like, there's a few different takeaways from this. The
first one is that your description is just making me hungry,
Like when's the last time you had a Portuguese tart?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, no I really want is a caramel slice?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Oh my god, we should go and get know that?
So why not?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But the thing is that I found really interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So at first I was like reading and everyone was like,
so on Naggi side, which now I actually do get,
even though it's all allegedly. But at first I was like,
it's a caramel slice. How different can to be? And
the way that how can you really word something that
differently when you're like fold in some cheers, but what
do you mean by fault? I personally didn't get it
as a non chef, non baker.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And also then it was.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like, yeah, but she did this really, I forget what
it was now, but growing up we the way that
me and my mum made Caramel Size actually did it
in the exact same way.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I sure shit wouldn't have been plagiarizing.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
That's the kind of hard thing. And one thing is
like I do understand why all of these women, like
I think a lot of people, including kind of us,
just then being like Caramel Size Portuguese tar, it's delicious.
A lot of people are just like, oh, the baking wars,
this is so silly, but it's really to make someone's work. Well,
it's your life work exactly. There's a lot of money
at stake here from sales of their different books and
like people visiting their size stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Your reputation and your reputation exactly, and it's annoying if
someone completely steals something from you.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, And also I think what both these women are
saying her involved in this is like it's your legitimacy
as a business, as a brand, it's your name, like
or you really have in these kind of spaces, is
your name to keep selling your product? So once that's
called into question, I understand why it's like legal ramifications
on both sides and why they're taking it so seriously.
I think that's why everyone has to be really careful
(25:16):
and reporting on it because at the stage it is allegations,
but it's really serious allegations and have huge rammanifications for
their business.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But it has brought that Bellamy chick, yeah court, like
if she gets found guilty for plagiarism, you'd probably have
to like give the money back.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Well, I think there's a few different ways there, because
it would be different to plagiarizing like a whole screenplay
or something like that. But there definitely would be ramifications,
even if they're just for the brand. But what I
think is interesting is now, like you're saying, like we
used to do it this way growing up and it's
in a cookbook. Is now it's brought up this big
question within this influencer world of like who owns a
recipe and.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
As everyone is influenced by someone or something.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Exactly, and that's where the conversation has gone. There's a
really interesting piece that's gone live this week in the
Sydney Morning Herald that I read because I need some
sort of answers over this, and it's called two authors
are warring over claims of recipe theft. But is there
really such a thing, and it's by Dallas Well, yeah,
well we'll give them that edit note. But I found
it really helpful because it went through all the different
sort of sides of It's by Danny Valent. And one
(26:15):
interesting thing I thought is that there's an inter you
in there with Adam Leore, who obviously became super successful
and master chef and is now a.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Really well like obviously who oh really Okay, wow, I
clearly know not one chef.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Actually that's not true.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I know Gordon Ramsey, Yeah, I know, the weird anti
vaxer in the Byron area.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh, you're gonna have to do more specific you do it?
Pete Evans, Yes, yes, that fellow, the one that wanted
to be anti vaxer and Barron Bay. Way more chef.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Anti vaxxer and Barron Bay and then I know that's it. Okay, great, Well, no,
there's a few more like Jamie Oliver Maye.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Okay, yeah, yeah, all the really big internationales. Well, Adam
is very is very, very popular. He's been I'm sure
you would. Yeah, he does a lot of anyway, I
don't need to tell everyone knows except Kelly, who.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Would like me to host their cooking show, because clearly
I know a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Adam's got a really interesting take because not only is
he a chef a cookbook author, but he also has
a background as an intellectual property lawyer. Also, I was like,
if anyone's going to know what is happening here is
Adam Leal. So in this piece in the Sitny Morning Herald,
he said there's a legal side, and then there's what's
accepted within any creative discipline. And he went on to
say copyright doesn't protect the recipes itself. It protects the
(27:28):
publication of the exact, same written form of that recipe.
So none of the recipes written in the world would
reach the standards necessary to obtain painted protection. So what
he's saying is like, yeah, you can't exactly copyright a recipe,
but there are sort of things in terms of like
the unique way you do it and all that sort
of stuff that can be copyright. And then he went
(27:48):
on to say, like it used to happen to him
a lot. So he obviously hasn't weighed on either of
these specific women because no one can do that because
that's we don't have the information on that, And they
both had their own side of the story, but he's
just speaking more generally. So he said, it used to
happen to me a lot when I did YouTube, And
he said he's been cooking since he was a child,
and then suddenly he'd be making a YouTube video and
there'll be ten other YouTubers make him the exact same
(28:11):
recipe with the same ingredients. And then he said, look,
I couldn't get too worried about it. If someone wants
to take a specific number of grams from a recipe
I wrote, then find be my guest. And then he said,
my job as a recipe writer is to bring something
new to the table. And he's, you know, kind of
saying what other people are thinking. He's like, there's millions
of recipes out there. If I'm gonna write the same
thing as anyone else, there's not much point in me
doing it. I have to take a dish and like
(28:32):
make it. So he's saying that, like, it's not the
recipe you protect. It's almost like the special twist you
put on it that you can almost then copyright or
keep as yours. But what I thought he said was
interesting is that he doesn't read any other cookbooks, look
at any other recipes. He just doesn't look at anyone
else's work in any way, So why God kind of
focked me.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, he and I are just such good chefs together
at anyone's cookbooks or recipes or anything.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean either. But I guess it's like a lot
of authors don't like look at specific books, like I
don't listen to a lot of other I do listen
to other pop culture podcasts, but not until like way
after the story is passed, because you don't want other
people's thoughts to influence what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Listen to someone else to about beauty? Yeah, ever really
because because I wouldn't want their opinions to sway me consciously.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Like you might not even realize, but if I was
listening to someone else talk about the same subjects on
their pod as we do on the Spill every week,
I don't know if I'd be able to separate my
f from there. So I sometimes listen months after when
the stories passed. I was like, was that on the
wrong side of that? But but I think a lot
of chefs are kind of the same, Like they just
look at their own work, and so it does make
(29:38):
it really allegedly yes, all allegedly. So yeah, it's really
blowing up, and it's sort of hard to know where
the story is going to go next. But I think,
for one thing is like Brook's not backing down with
what she's saying, and Nuggie's not backing down with what
she's saying. But now we've got this extra or of
the bakers. Now we've got more Valley's baking addiction in
(29:59):
the mix. So I guess has entered the chat. I
just I wish I was in all the influencer cooking
like group chats at the moment, because that's where this
conversation would really be heating up all the stuff they
can't say publicly.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
She's half used, Marissa Bere, what do you think of this?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, to be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, it would be so good. But that's where we are. Now.
We've got a piece that we wrote on my mere
that I'll link in the show notes, and I'll also
link the piece from the Sunday Morning Heralds, so we
have all the baking ware information. But yeah, I think
it sounds it's going to start heating off. But we're
not we're not. We're not being dismissive of it. But yeah,
I think it's going to be a lot more to come.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Come on, if we're reporting on baking wars, surely we
can have a few little jobs.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No, we can, we go and it can Animal slice
go on. Well it's heating up. Okay, great, there you go. Thanks, well,
thank you so much for listening to this Spill today
and our very important, hard hitting news story on faking
and bj Novak's love life. This spill is produced by
Amy Kimball with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we'll
be back in your feed at six am tomorrow. I
(31:03):
don't know who's up that early with we can watch
and then our regular Friday show, so we'll see you there.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
A few times a year that I watched TV will
byell It Leven
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Kelly McCarry and we have a juicy
episode coming up. We really do.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And we're not in Maya's office. We're not super cozy,
but I'm sitting cross legged. I've got a big cozy jacket.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Laura and I actually look like we are at different days.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We'll look We're dressed for completely different seasons.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm in the middle of winter. You are white lotus.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm trying to get the last bit of my summer wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And I think is very smart.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But yes, we're actually sitting in a studio. We're so
fancy right now, so maybe we'll sound more professional. I
don't know. You guys be the judge of that. But
we do have a very juicy episode coming up for
you because we have a bit of an update on
one of Hollywood's most scandalous secret celebrity romances.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We also are talking about baking bad.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
How long you spend coming up with that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Probably way too long this morning. It was way too long.
I'm just joking. I didn't, but I was chuckling to myself.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, I've got two Australian celebrity chefs and I'm gonna
call them influences because they have influence, pretty big influences. Yes,
because they have so much influence, either of them, and
they are huge. Oh yeah, that that crazy shocks me.
So we're going to get into that huge, big legal
battle and back and forth. Everyone's picked aside. We're getting
into that. But first, so next week is going to
(01:41):
be a huge week in entertainment because well it's the
first Monday in me very famously when happen.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's happening, Harry, your schedule.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So embarrassing is that I've had to like actually clear
my schedules because no, no, because I have to work
long hours around the Megala. And when you explain to
people like I was like this year that Megala's falling
on my birthday, so I had to cancel my birthday plans,
which is fine, then come into work and do like
an extra extra long day. And when I was like
telling people like oh no, no, I'm like I can't
do this. I can't do that. It's met Gala, people like,
(02:12):
are you going yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Are you going?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
No, biggest fashion celebrity day of the year pretty much.
It's more so than your skis.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Now one hundred percent, it's going to be so much bigger.
So I mean, anyway, our coverage around that is going
to be lit, guys, So just make sure you're here
with us next week. But on the same day, which
is very telling. Sean Combs is finally going to trial.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Diddy, but Lauren just said off camera, she goes, can't
call him that anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Just feels weird to be like, did he's it's too late, mate, Yeah,
And I feel like also in the legal papers he's
called Sean Comb. So that's kind of how we're falling
to it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
If you were court, I would not call you lawsy,
not that I've ever called you that before.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But yeah, I get it. Yeah, because obviously he's changed
his name a few times over the years. I remember
when I was in like primary school, he was puff Daddy,
and oh.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
My god that I did not ever realize that that
was the same person.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, puff Daddy, P Diddy Diddy. He's changed his name.
He's like Taylor Swift with the errors, except he changes
his name's actual name.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Maybe because he's trying to escape his past.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know, some people have said that. So Sean Crombs
is going to trial for multiple charges of sex trafficking, racketeering,
and transportation to engage in prostitution. So it's something we've
covered a lot on the spill. Basically a few different
people have come forward over the years, and then finally
the lawyer who's sort of leading the charge against him
put out a call. Hundreds of people came forward with allegations.
(03:34):
From that, the legal team like talk through them all,
and it's like very hard to bring these things to
court because there's like statute of limitations. It's also very
hard to prove. You have to have evidence. That's why
when anyone says like, oh, people just do it for
the fame, and like they have to Really, again, we
don't know who's guilty or not. It's going to trial
and it'll be decided to the legend. Yes, but what
I'm saying, it's not an easy thing to take someone
(03:54):
to court for this or to have them found guilty.
Like you have to have a huge amount of evidence
and you have to prove beyond a shadow of a
doubt that it actually happened. So that's all kicking off
on the first Monday in May. So it's really interesting
that you're going to have someone who's been like the
pinnacle of fame for so long, someone who's not at
the event, yes, not at the event, but also have
(04:14):
this huge trial happening in New York when the Met
Gala is taking place, and also for so long shown homes.
I guess people are alleging that he got away with
this because he is so famous everyone epitome of celebrity
like he did that kind of like crazy over the
top lifestyle and through all those huge parties and all
the celebrities came around him in the same way. They're
(04:35):
kind of going to gather at the Met Gala, you know,
for fame, to had their photos taken, to have the
infamous stories.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Will it be video recorded?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Some of it is yet going to be live streamed,
so you'll be able to watch a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Kind of love that about the American court system. That
makes so Yeah, I know that I shouldn't say that,
but it does.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Well, I know, well, people just didn't really invest in it,
especially in this one because there are like throughout the
accusations and like the initial court hearings and when he
was initially being charged, they were talking about all these
huge celebrity names where they were just in the court
papers called like celebrity, A celebrity B. But they're meant
to be like AAA listers who are involved. So I
think people are going to be watching for their names
to come out. But they did have like a pre
(05:14):
hearing before the trials over a week ago, and Shawn
Crome's attorneys said that his defense basically they were kind
of like putting out their initial arguments and they said
his defense is going to be that he thought it
was appropriate to have multiple sex partners, including sex workers,
because he thought it was common. So that's going to
be his defense, which again not getting like super into
(05:35):
the whole legal side of it. But I don't think
anyone's accusing him of cheating, Like you can't get to
court and cheating.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh that's not the problem.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We've got here, Yes, so much bigger situation. So I
love that that's what he's trying. Oh, I didn't cheat
on anyone.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Oh yeah that's good. Yeah, that's between you and your
partner at the time that you keep on the back
of that came back to the group chat. The rest
of us want to know about the sex trafficking and
rape charges. So anyway, Yes, it just feels like this
has been in the works for so long. So this Monday,
same day as the met Gala, the Shawn Cromes case
will kick off and we'll finally sort of, I guess,
(06:08):
get answers to a lot of these questions that have
been bubbling around for over a year.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Okay, Laura, talk to me about BJ, because I've got
no idea what you're about to that sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I actually don't.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I was just saying I was like, in the planning meeting,
both a producer and Laura were like, bollow up BJ,
and I was like, I just missed it, and then
I didn't have a time to even look at what
they were referring to.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, Well, the Laura around this is extensive and intense
and many layers. So I'm glad that I'm going to
be able to explain it to you.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay, yes, so as if I was a listener at home.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yes, so, oh, our listeners are across this. We've been
talking about me, Get.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Off the mic, get a listener back on, because you've
got no idea.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
No, I'm just saying this spiller is they know the vibe.
They know the salacious celebrity gossip that we speak about
in this pod that we wouldn't say out loud anywhere else. So.
Bj Novak is a comedian, a writer, and actor, most
famously known from the Office, was one of kind of
the big breakout stuff. Yes, you've watched The Office, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh my god, one of the greatest TV.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, great, Then that's all you need to know about
the rest of this story. So while working on The Office,
Bj met a young lady called Mindy Kaling who was
originally hired to be a writer on the Showy and
Yes and then got carsas Kelly Kapaul and again is
one of the big breakout stars of that show and
then went on to be one of the most powerful
people on Hollywood. That that's not even a joke.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And favorite sex lives of college girls. Yes you're listening, got.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
The MINDI project running point recently her books, Oh my god,
and her books is actually where I'm getting a lot
of my information. So I had gone to the source
because I'm a huge Mindy Kayley. I just yeah, I
just love everything that woman creates. I love everything she says.
I would just watch that Megan Markle episode over and
over again. Because she doesn't do anything public anymore. Is
there on any access I have to her? But I've
(07:51):
read her books multiple times because they are the ultimate
comfort reads. And in her books she writes about meeting
bj and having this like instant connection with him.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like romantic.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Well they did date for a little bit. And the
whole thing is that because they've both talked about their
intense friendship over the years, because they data, because their
characters on the show dated, people have thought for many,
many years that they are secretly in love, and the
fantia above that of people thinks that they're still not
only secretly in love but married. And this pit's a
(08:24):
bit icky. So I don't like to speculate on this,
but this is what people say. Want to see it anyway,
I'm just going to say the people think. So Mindy
Kelley has three children. She has Catherine called Kit adorable.
Is he the secret baby daddy? Well, that's what the
people say. So she has Spencer and then she has
Aunt which isn't that the cutest name for a little girl?
Like it's so retro aunt so mindy. Kelley has her
three children and she doesn't like show their photos or anything,
(08:46):
but sometimes she's like the back of their head or
she'll talk about them like she's obviously an incredible mother.
But she's never talked about who the father of the
children is or she said, she's never sort of really
gone in. Yeah, she's talked about wanting to like she
chose that she wanted to be a mum and she
desperately wanted these kids and she made the choice to
have them and all these sorts of things, but she's
(09:08):
never sort of said like this person is the father
or anything like that. Still to this day, people think
that bj Novak is the father of her children, and
some people even think they're married, which I don't think
one does.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He have kids on his public life.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
No, again, not that we're aware of. I don't think
they're married, because tmsey would be all over that, that
marriage certificate would be somewhere. But people do think they're together,
and obviously they set records.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
TMS would also be all.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Over well, I know, but I think that's a bit
harder to find because I don't know how mine is
on the public record. Yeah, because it's mine is, And
also whether you put the person's name, I don't know.
There's a whole lot there. So every time there's speculation
around bj Novak dating someone, people get really angry and
fighter because they're just like, how dare you cheat on
your wife and your three children? My god, no, I know.
(09:56):
The line between fantasy and reality for this, for the
fans is so like blurred, it doesn't even exist anymore.
It's like a faint yage in the distance. What is
your relationship status with Mindy Galing? Really? Yes, very It's
so boring.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's just it's it's a great relationship. It's a great relationship,
friendship and support and amusing each other relationship.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So this week, the Mindy and Bja fans, they're having
a tough week. Thoughts of prayers with them because it's
been confirmed by People magazine, not by the people themselves,
but People magazine, who would not confirm it unless it
was true that bj Novak is officially dating TikTok star
Delaney Row. And if you've seen Delaney we're on TikTok.
She's like a lot of different like parodies and stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Hold on, let me google. Okay, so you need a visual,
I do, because I would probably know her if she's
Lanny Rowe.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
She has definitely popped up on your feed many times.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Oh my yeah, God, that is just I never would
have expected that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So apparently they've been dating since December. Make sense.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
She's very funny, good writer, Like, yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Like they'd have like their creative brains a lot younger
than Mesh. Yes, this is more of the scandal part
where I'm not angry that Bja is cheating on Mindy
because I don't know their business and I'm gonna go
out and a Limon says, well, I think that's probably
the case, which I almost kind of like better, Like
I love that they've been friend best friends, yeah, even
(11:25):
though like obviously they did date. Well, there's this thing
in Mindy's books where she talks about this line on
that she wrote for the office that she wrote with
BJ about soup snakes, which is like kind of like
a shorthand for soulmate kind of thing in her head now,
and that's what she in BJ say to each other.
So it's like where soup snakes where soulmates, like their
line has always been their platonic soulmates, which I actually
(11:45):
think is adorable. But I do understand why people think
that they're secretly together. But if they ask secretly together,
they must have an open relationship. Because he is always
about town with different ladies.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
She's probably like, I've got a job and three children
an empire, please go and poke someone else with you
also not together, so ye, by their words at least,
but you're not mad, but you're disappointed that he's gone
into the trope of dating someone that much younger than him,
because I actually.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Think that's the biggest story no one's talked to really about.
How is she so she's twenty eight and he's forty five? Again,
I mean, I guess once you get above twenty five
and forty, like, everyone's an adult. So it's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't even think I could date a twenty five
year old.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It is a very very different point without life forty five. Sorry,
how many forty five year old blokes do you know
that are friends with twenty five year old girls?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I know at a forty five year old, we're trying
to date twenty five year olds. Yees.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
But when they go, oh yeah, but they're really mature.
We just get along, so we'll really how many friends
do you have that are twenty five?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah? No, no, no, I know that's why Betty's such
a cliche in Hollywood, like it's such a dumb.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Thing or in cliche.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No no, but that's what I think is the more
interesting kind of thing. It's like, not that Bja is
cheating on Mindy, his fake wife and the fake mother
of fake children. I think it's more interesting that he
is just like another Hollywood guy who's dating a young woman.
So they've been linked since December of last year, but
it's only recently it's been confirmed by People magazine. Also
du Noir, the online gossip site Everyone Knows What that is,
(13:16):
has put up quite a few different pictures of them
out and about. Which is the other way it's being confirmed.
And I feel like if anyone in the world hates
Dumi with a fiery passion, it would be bj Novak
because it came out a few years ago bj Novak
was dating two women at the same time. Because the
Dumin spotters in New York, they're all over it, but
(13:37):
especially for him because he's like a new York lad
about town, like he's always out the street with a
different I don't like him. So he was spotted having
coffee and like lunch with one girlfriend at midday and
then out with his other girlfriend in the afternoon, and
Dumis ran all the photos of just and not even
in a got you kind of way. It was just
in their spotted section where they were like bj Novak,
(13:58):
oh with this woman at this restaurant, and then the
girls and this yeah, and then one of the girls
wrote in She's like, oh, I thought we were exclusive,
didn't know we had another date that day. And then
so he was basically out it and apparently both the
girls broke up with him again all speculation because they
both thought they were dating him, and then not even
just both dating him, the fact that he would have
ended that date and ran to the next one, and
(14:19):
then Dumoir just put it all out there. And now
Domoire has put out that that he's dating Delaney, which
has brought the mindy stands wrath upon him. So he's
not having a great day.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And you know that I am aware that I'll get
in trouble for commenting on appearance. But it looks like
her dad.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh really, I'm not saying you're right.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
A photo of them together, it looks like she's so
fresh faced.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And youthful looking. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I just think he's really handsome, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I do not, especially after he's a dirty dog. It
looks like her dad. Sorry, I could shmack a lot
of people, but someone that looks like my dad.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh, it's really hard because I have bj Novak blinder
glasses on that I've just like, i'd still see him
through Mindy Kaling's eyes, through like her books and what
she said about him and everything, and I just so
I just really do find him quite attractive as well.
And he decided just like her face is like so
screwed up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I know what the Mindy stands and don't like him.
She's the true talent.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, yes, yes, so he done since then, huh, he
doesn't know het.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Quite a bit, but he's not as Mindy's definitely the
more successful one over and above. But he always posting
to support her, like he'll he'll the bar so low.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's a good friend.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He went to this.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
He left his three children, three children.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
When those children get older, they'll be like, can you
please not like be connecting our uncle to.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
This is really weird. He's absolutely not our dad. I
love the idea of people shou stuff around.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
He's dad. He could be, he could be with not
even a stretch. I love thinking that the ming together secretly,
but I don't love the idea of like kind of
bringing the kids into it. That's a bit grace. But
with BJ, he'll like do things like again not to
defend him, but he'll do things like go to the
bus station where Mindy used to like get the bus
to work and take a photo of her movie poster
(16:09):
being on there and like post it. Be like could
you only imagine like back then, like how successful you are.
I'm so prouding that publicly.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Just send it to her in a message. Well, he's
also promoting her stuff, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Like you know all right. Otherwise, people have been saying
they have a four arm he's terrible. He doesn't. He doesn't.
And I can't believe this has become me defending BJ Novak.
But listen, this is where we're at exactly. So I
just want to say them, Indy, BJ fans, this week,
we see you. We know you're having a tough week.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But you know, so is Bjo because he has to
tuck in his date and then give.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Her a pat on the head.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Now, I really didn't have this on my bingo card,
but the internet is an absolute uproar about a caramel slice. Yes,
an allegedly thieved caramel slice. Two huge bake influences are
at the crux of an alleged baking bad plagiarism case.
I just slipped that one in again with beloved internet
sensation Nagi from recipe tin Eats this week accusing brook Bellamy,
(17:05):
also known as Brookie Bakehouse, of plagiarizing two of her
recipes in enemy's popular cookbook Bake with Brookie. In a
statement released across her social media pages, She's huge on
socials like the fact that I'd never heard of either
of these people is well, it shows the algorithm right
that you're in a target at all.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You're not bake that is.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
That is still wild to me. But I guess we
all see different things.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But I'm not a baker.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No neither am I. In fact, I don't. I've never
bought a cookbook. I don't think i've ever used a recipe.
I'm just a naturally gifted cook. That's not even lie
I am. But I'm super across. But like I'm super
across them because everyone I know survives off recipe to eat.
It's like all the girls in this office by cooking
her recipes and I so many never heard of her
in my life. Oh, I mean the recipes are great,
so maybe that you know something to look into, the
(17:50):
great recommendation for me for the week. Yeah, and people
love her and she's got a huge Instagram following and
online following, like my mom's obsessed with her and she's
barely on the internet. So if that kind of gives
you an idea of her reach, and then bake with Brookie.
Like at the moment, you can't walk into any shop
without seeing her book plastered everywhere. I hadn't seen her
shops and everything. Okay, Well, I mean that's that's a
lovely way.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That I think that it just goes to show that
if something isn't in your orbit, yeah, you will not
be targeted, Like you have to come across something first
for then it to be targeted to you. And someone
might be huge celebrities to one person and the next
person literally has never heard of hundred so wild that
that's the world of celebrity is these days exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
But I think for a lot of people, because they
have such huge followings in Australia, for a lot of people,
this is like watching your two favorite like podcast hosts
or writers or TV stars fight like it's their two
favorite people in this situation, which is why it's kind
of blown up.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah. So in the statement, Nagi said that two recipes
in the cookbook Bake with Brookie were uncannily similar to
recipes she had previously published. These were recipes for the
camel slice and backlavar, which Nagi posted side by side
screenshots of the ingredients, quantities and instructions from the two books.
(19:02):
She said that the similarities between the recipes amounted to plagiarism,
but that the lawyers for Penguin Random House Australia, which
published Bellamy's book, had rejected her claim and said all
recipes were written by Bellamy. Now you said, profiting from
plagiarized recipes is unethical, even if it's not copyright infringement,
and undermines the integrity of the entire book. It's a
(19:23):
slap in the face to every author who puts in
the hard work to create original content rather than cutting corners. Listen,
we can't say much because of legal stuff. Yeah, I
don't stand ow. I just flap my mouth without thinking.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'd be like, what are you going to see before?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Like Catty's only got three legs?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, I said to Kelly Boy started to rememberate it's
allegedly alleged exactly. And the thing is we also just
don't know, like we only seeing the statements come out.
But yeah, that's why everyone reporting on this case is
had to be really careful, like and it don't have comments,
so so have Naggi and Brook. They've both had to
turn off comments on their socials because you're liable for
deaf and met even if you don't say it. Especially
(19:59):
with Nagie when she first put the statement up, she
had to put an edit note and be like, thank
you so much for all support. I've read all your comments.
I've had to turn them off because people were like
assigning blame to Brook in the comments, and then she's
like illegally Naggy wanted well, I think she just wanted
people to know what she was going through exactly. But yeah,
that's why everyone's having to be really careful because of
this stage's allegations. And also Penguin Random House, who published
(20:22):
Brooks book, has come out completely rejected the claims and
said all the recipes were written by brook And then,
following Nagi's post, Brooke then put out her own, like
really long statement on her social account saying she didn't
plagiari as any of the recipes.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Some weird old photos she to do with.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, she was trying to show like photos she put
out before.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
One time, eight years ago, I made a caramel slice.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I mean, I guess like receipts is all the
thing right now, that's the rage of So that's what
people are trying to look for. So then she wanted
to stay in her statement, my book consists of one
hundred recipes I have created over many years since falling
in love with baking as a child and growing up
with my mum in the home kitchen. And she went
on to say that as soon as she heard Nagi's complaints,
as soon as that was made known to her, she
(21:07):
said that she offered to remove both the caramel slide
and the backlavare recipes from future reprints of the cookbook
just to prevent further aggravation, and then went on to
say that, yeah, that she's like working with the publishing
company and stuff, but she's like been really really strict
in the fact that she's saying she did not play
Darys and her company is backing her and saying that.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But the oven gloves are now off.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yes, So so I just keep having to just little like, no,
I'm loving this bakery things in there. How often can
you do like bakery? Exactly? Not just not that often.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So there's been further claims of alleged plagiarism.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
US based food blogger Sally of Sally's Baking or Sally's
Baking Addiction also never heard of this person Sally's.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I just imagine being in the court reading this other're
like recipe team Eats in the defense against Brookie bake
House and supporting Sally's Baking Addiction with reporting by Sally's
Baking Addiction, Like they're all such sweet names and just
caught up.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It just sounded a little bit silly.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, has claimed her recipe for vanilla cake appeared in
Bake with Brookie, So in a statement that she then
posted to Instagram, Sally thanked Nagi for letting me know
months ago that one of my recipes published by me
in twenty nineteen was plagiarized in the book and also
appeared on Bellamy's YouTube channel. So the fans of recipe
(22:24):
tin Eats have taken to online forums. Now they're analyzing
all of Baked by Brookie recipes, uncovering further similarities between
Bellamy's Portuguese tart recipe and Bill Granger's Portuguese tart recipe
contained in his two thousand and six cookbook Every Day.
And I'm sure as this continues to gain traction and
the cranky people on the internet, the sleuths more will
(22:47):
come to light.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Laura.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
On paper, this really doesn't sound that interesting, but it
actually really is.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Why has this captured the internet's attention in such a
huge way? People love Nagi? Oh yeah, everyone Niggi. People
love Nagi one hundred percent. When this first came out.
When Nagi first posted, like a couple of days ago,
the initial statement just I think everyone's group chat was
blowing up. Everyone's like Microso feel like everyone I know
(23:16):
in my immediate life had also no idea who they are.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Okay, well, everyone I know, no one bakes to be fair,
all cooks to really well.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
In my world, this was like huge breaking news. This
was it's what people almost love. Like. It was a
bit gossipy as well.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
In the Facebook group Tea Time, Oh it's all about
like gossip or like people sharing salacious story.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I need to get in and I was like, oh,
who is this?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
And that's where I first heard about it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, Like, there's a few different takeaways from this. The
first one is that your description is just making me hungry,
Like when's the last time you had a Portuguese tart?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, no I really want is a caramel slice?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Oh my god, we should go and get know that?
So why not?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But the thing is that I found really interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So at first I was like reading and everyone was like,
so on Naggi side, which now I actually do get,
even though it's all allegedly. But at first I was like,
it's a caramel slice. How different can to be? And
the way that how can you really word something that
differently when you're like fold in some cheers, but what
do you mean by fault? I personally didn't get it
as a non chef, non baker.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And also then it was.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like, yeah, but she did this really, I forget what
it was now, but growing up we the way that
me and my mum made Caramel Size actually did it
in the exact same way.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I sure shit wouldn't have been plagiarizing.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
That's the kind of hard thing. And one thing is
like I do understand why all of these women, like
I think a lot of people, including kind of us,
just then being like Caramel Size Portuguese tar, it's delicious.
A lot of people are just like, oh, the baking wars,
this is so silly, but it's really to make someone's work. Well,
it's your life work exactly. There's a lot of money
at stake here from sales of their different books and
like people visiting their size stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Your reputation and your reputation exactly, and it's annoying if
someone completely steals something from you.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, And also I think what both these women are
saying her involved in this is like it's your legitimacy
as a business, as a brand, it's your name, like
or you really have in these kind of spaces, is
your name to keep selling your product? So once that's
called into question, I understand why it's like legal ramifications
on both sides and why they're taking it so seriously.
I think that's why everyone has to be really careful
(25:16):
and reporting on it because at the stage it is allegations,
but it's really serious allegations and have huge rammanifications for
their business.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But it has brought that Bellamy chick, yeah court, like
if she gets found guilty for plagiarism, you'd probably have
to like give the money back.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Well, I think there's a few different ways there, because
it would be different to plagiarizing like a whole screenplay
or something like that. But there definitely would be ramifications,
even if they're just for the brand. But what I
think is interesting is now, like you're saying, like we
used to do it this way growing up and it's
in a cookbook. Is now it's brought up this big
question within this influencer world of like who owns a
recipe and.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
As everyone is influenced by someone or something.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Exactly, and that's where the conversation has gone. There's a
really interesting piece that's gone live this week in the
Sydney Morning Herald that I read because I need some
sort of answers over this, and it's called two authors
are warring over claims of recipe theft. But is there
really such a thing, and it's by Dallas Well, yeah,
well we'll give them that edit note. But I found
it really helpful because it went through all the different
sort of sides of It's by Danny Valent. And one
(26:15):
interesting thing I thought is that there's an inter you
in there with Adam Leore, who obviously became super successful
and master chef and is now a.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Really well like obviously who oh really Okay, wow, I
clearly know not one chef.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Actually that's not true.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I know Gordon Ramsey, Yeah, I know, the weird anti
vaxer in the Byron area.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh, you're gonna have to do more specific you do it?
Pete Evans, Yes, yes, that fellow, the one that wanted
to be anti vaxer and Barron Bay. Way more chef.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Anti vaxxer and Barron Bay and then I know that's it. Okay, great, Well, no,
there's a few more like Jamie Oliver Maye.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Okay, yeah, yeah, all the really big internationales. Well, Adam
is very is very, very popular. He's been I'm sure
you would. Yeah, he does a lot of anyway, I
don't need to tell everyone knows except Kelly, who.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Would like me to host their cooking show, because clearly
I know a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Adam's got a really interesting take because not only is
he a chef a cookbook author, but he also has
a background as an intellectual property lawyer. Also, I was like,
if anyone's going to know what is happening here is
Adam Leal. So in this piece in the Sitny Morning Herald,
he said there's a legal side, and then there's what's
accepted within any creative discipline. And he went on to
say copyright doesn't protect the recipes itself. It protects the
(27:28):
publication of the exact, same written form of that recipe.
So none of the recipes written in the world would
reach the standards necessary to obtain painted protection. So what
he's saying is like, yeah, you can't exactly copyright a recipe,
but there are sort of things in terms of like
the unique way you do it and all that sort
of stuff that can be copyright. And then he went
(27:48):
on to say, like it used to happen to him
a lot. So he obviously hasn't weighed on either of
these specific women because no one can do that because
that's we don't have the information on that, And they
both had their own side of the story, but he's
just speaking more generally. So he said, it used to
happen to me a lot when I did YouTube, And
he said he's been cooking since he was a child,
and then suddenly he'd be making a YouTube video and
there'll be ten other YouTubers make him the exact same
(28:11):
recipe with the same ingredients. And then he said, look,
I couldn't get too worried about it. If someone wants
to take a specific number of grams from a recipe
I wrote, then find be my guest. And then he said,
my job as a recipe writer is to bring something
new to the table. And he's, you know, kind of
saying what other people are thinking. He's like, there's millions
of recipes out there. If I'm gonna write the same
thing as anyone else, there's not much point in me
doing it. I have to take a dish and like
(28:32):
make it. So he's saying that, like, it's not the
recipe you protect. It's almost like the special twist you
put on it that you can almost then copyright or
keep as yours. But what I thought he said was
interesting is that he doesn't read any other cookbooks, look
at any other recipes. He just doesn't look at anyone
else's work in any way, So why God kind of
focked me.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, he and I are just such good chefs together
at anyone's cookbooks or recipes or anything.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean either. But I guess it's like a lot
of authors don't like look at specific books, like I
don't listen to a lot of other I do listen
to other pop culture podcasts, but not until like way
after the story is passed, because you don't want other
people's thoughts to influence what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Listen to someone else to about beauty? Yeah, ever really
because because I wouldn't want their opinions to sway me consciously.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Like you might not even realize, but if I was
listening to someone else talk about the same subjects on
their pod as we do on the Spill every week,
I don't know if I'd be able to separate my
f from there. So I sometimes listen months after when
the stories passed. I was like, was that on the
wrong side of that? But but I think a lot
of chefs are kind of the same, Like they just
look at their own work, and so it does make
(29:38):
it really allegedly yes, all allegedly. So yeah, it's really
blowing up, and it's sort of hard to know where
the story is going to go next. But I think,
for one thing is like Brook's not backing down with
what she's saying, and Nuggie's not backing down with what
she's saying. But now we've got this extra or of
the bakers. Now we've got more Valley's baking addiction in
(29:59):
the mix. So I guess has entered the chat. I
just I wish I was in all the influencer cooking
like group chats at the moment, because that's where this
conversation would really be heating up all the stuff they
can't say publicly.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
She's half used, Marissa Bere, what do you think of this?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, to be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, it would be so good. But that's where we are. Now.
We've got a piece that we wrote on my mere
that I'll link in the show notes, and I'll also
link the piece from the Sunday Morning Heralds, so we
have all the baking ware information. But yeah, I think
it sounds it's going to start heating off. But we're
not we're not. We're not being dismissive of it. But yeah,
I think it's going to be a lot more to come.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Come on, if we're reporting on baking wars, surely we
can have a few little jobs.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No, we can, we go and it can Animal slice
go on. Well it's heating up. Okay, great, there you go. Thanks, well,
thank you so much for listening to this Spill today
and our very important, hard hitting news story on faking
and bj Novak's love life. This spill is produced by
Amy Kimball with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we'll
be back in your feed at six am tomorrow. I
(31:03):
don't know who's up that early with we can watch
and then our regular Friday show, so we'll see you there.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
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