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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this spill your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm m Burnham And of course
today is the first Monday in May, which means it
is time for the Met Gala.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh my god, I'm so excited, so excited. And for
those of us not invited, which is pretty much everyone
who's not a super alias star or hasn't angered Ada Wintour,
who has turned the Met Gala into this huge event
that it is. Now, we've been watching all the red
carpet arrivals, the live stream. Actually it's still going on
because we have to record in the morning. The Metgala
(00:57):
live stream is still going on as we're in recording.
So we've seen some big moments. We've seen a few arrivals,
but we're going to do our full Met Gala rundown, thoughts, feelings, concerns,
feedback everything. During to Morrow's episode, I know about you, Emily,
about my list of talking points and like things. I
put exclamation marks against some of the celebrity interactions. I
(01:17):
cannot believe actually happened. My list is long and intense.
I also have a long and intense list. Yeah. So,
so we're going to touch on today because obviously so
many of the incredible looks have come through, and we're
going to be talking about the best, the most questionable,
the most memorable, the meaning behind them, all, the theme
and we have a very special guest joining us who
(01:39):
is probably the one person in Australia who knows the
most about this type of high level fashion. So don't worry,
won't just but be us, but make sure you tune
into tomorrow for our full Met Gala episode. But coming
up on the show today.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Coming up on the show today, we are also going
to touch on some concert culture because the celebrity news
is still ongoing. Even though it's Met Gala Day, A
lot has been happening, especially with our musician celebrities.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, you've got some hot goss happening. I wasn't even
across half the stuff that you've It's quite upsetting.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Go as well.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Oh no, okay, oh Jesus christ strap in thirst. It's
coming later in the show. But first we had been
watching a bit of the Met Gala in the office,
so we have seen a few arrivals, and I guess
the person that everyone was really waiting to see was
Rihanna because her partner Rocky Asap Rocky is one of
the Met Gala chairs, along with Common Domingo, Lewis Hamilton,
(02:31):
Jis Hamilton. I'm so sorry, sir Lewis Hamilton on God
forgot who I was dealing with here and see your
faie before you even saw anyone's looks. He's been my
favorite years man. Yeah, you only saw his face on
the correct carpet and everything washed away. He saw what
he was wearing before the Metgala. I was like, oh, yeah,
that's brilliant and for Ah Williams don't want to forget him.
So they are the co chairs, So like if you're
not across, which is fine because you might have a
(02:52):
real life what's that like? Every year, Anna win Tour,
who is in charge of the Met Gala, picks a
whole bunch of like celebrities and influential people to be
the co chairs and they're involved in running the event
and they're required to get there very early on the day.
Maybe they're helping set up chairs or who knows.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They were watching a performs Oh see that, yeah yeah,
and common Demingo jumped in with the dancers on them.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It was so amazing. So Rocky got there early and
then a little bit later, Rihanna was seen entering the
Carlisle Hotel, very very famous hotel in New York and
where a lot of celebrities stay for the met Gala,
to the point where they pretty much have like a
full photo wall set up, like an unofficial photo wall
set up outside so that you can watch the exits
(03:36):
from the Carlisle. So a lot of people don't even
bother going to the met Gala. They go to the
Carlisle and set up there to get the first looks
of celebrities coming out.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Unless the celebrity comes out in a giant box with
umbrellas over them.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh my god, I have them, Melissa Tomorrow. Don't even
worry about that. So before the event kicked off, Rihanna
and her usual kind of cool gal style was popped
heading into the Carlisle with a very noticeable baby bump.
It feels so old school tabloid, a very noticeable baby bomb.
But you know it's been confirmed now it's been confirmed.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
What's funny about this is that she had to one
up her last baby bump, which was the Super Bowl,
and it feels like now she just can't have any
more kids because you have to.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Keep going bigger and bigger. Next minute, she'll go to
space like Katie Perry, and she'll like, instead of holding
off a daisy, she'll like open her face. God, why
would it be cool if she did that?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't know, but I just know it'll be cool.
I just know her kids when they're teenagers are going
to be like, you're the super Bowl baby or the
Mechla baby.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, or the baby that was papped on the beach.
The baby it's the one who got exposed on TikTok Okay,
we're not laughing in sterables. Obviously. This is her third
baby with Asap Rocky. So they had little Razor who
was born in May twenty twenty two, and that was
their first baby and they actually got to announce the
pregnancy themselves because they had those street style pap shots.
(04:53):
Remember that it was the baby's face that was papped
against their disgusting yeah, which they were quite upset about
on a beach. And then Rihanna had to share a
picture because she was trying to beat the fat pat
photos coming out. So they had little Rizza, who was
born in May twenty twenty two, and then Riot, their
second son, who that was the Super Bowl baby, super
Well pregnancy. It was being called that at the Super Bowl.
(05:13):
She didn't mean to in twenty twenty three to announce
her pregnancy. She was supposed to be wearing that big
floaty jumpsuit and then on the day didn't zip up properly,
so she was like, oh, oh yeah, how Everyone was like,
she looks pregnant, but we don't want to say it,
which people mock now, but I was like, that's just
the proper thing to do, Like you can't start saying
someone's pregnant while they're still in the middle of their
first Super Bowls. And she knew it as well.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
She's like, you will not hear that word come out
of my mouth until I'm done.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Dad, Yeah, exactly, And afterwards she was just like, yeah,
it wasn't like a big deal. It just happened to happen.
So we love that. So then this is the met
Gala baby, and it is a big.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Deal because this means we're probably not going to get
another album until this baby is well.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think she's been a little bit busy, looked clearly
she's been busy. So that's exciting. So yes, much more
met Gala is still to come in this episode and tomorrow,
but I feel like so far that's like one of
the most fun reveals from today.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So today it's very very exciting because we always hap
on how we're not a fashion podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Except today, Speak for Yourself.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Are a fashion podcast because we are joined by fashion writer,
commentator and consultant Glennis trail Nash. Glennis was a fashion
editor at The Australian for nine years and as a
regular contributor to Business of Fashion, Marie Claire Harper's Bizarre
in Style and many many more. So we are very
very lucky to have her here today.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And just a quick note before we jump into this segment,
we have posted a carousel on our Instagram page, which
is the Spill Podcast on Instagram, with every look we're
about to discuss in this segment in order, So if
you want the visual effect of what we're talking about,
open Instagram head over to the Spill it'll be clearly
marked the images for this segment and you can follow
along as we chat. Well, thank you so much for
(06:52):
joining us today.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thanks for having me. It's always nice to visit.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So first off, i'd love you to explain the theme
and sort of how different people interpreted that, because obviously
that's such a huge part of the MET Gala. In
this year's theme, I think was particularly important to a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Absolutely, and it's also worth noting that this is the
first men'swear exhibition and theme that we've had since two
thousand and three, I think, And of course this is
a celebration of black men's style and dandyism. So the
actual theme is, well, the exhibition is super fine tailoring
black style, and then the theme for the MET Gala
(07:27):
itself is tailored for you. So that allows people then to,
I guess, especially women, you know, to kind of cater
to this theme in whatever way they see appropriate. But
obviously this idea of black dandyism is really interesting culturally,
and it kind of came sort of in the post
emancipation era in the US. It plays into the European
(07:49):
idea of the dandy though, so you know, the Beau Brummel,
that kind of thing in the UK. So we're talking
like eighteenth century into nineteenth century, very polished, very fancy,
and so then you've got for black men. I mean,
it's an interesting thing because you've got a minority group
effective or a disenfranchised group wanting to kind of empower
(08:11):
themselves and it's kind of almost an act of rebellion
and when other people are pushing them down, they're raising
themselves up in an act of defiance.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, that's so interesting because we did feel, even just
watching the live streams and the interviews and the photos,
it did feel like I had a bit of a
different energy this year, just because I guess of the
designers that were there and the way people were dressed,
and the way that black fashion and black history was
having its moment, almost felt like it had more of
a joyful kind of presence and previous Matt Galas or
maybe that's just me looking at.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It, I think that's absolutely legitimate. And I also think
it's interesting that when you look at all the guests
who were there, and obviously there was a huge focus
on men's were okay, so that we were expecting the
men to really kind of lift the game, and let's
be honest, in the last five years or so, men's
red carpet fashion has really been on the rise, and
I think it's almost been more interesting than the women's
(09:00):
in a sense, because men have moved away from that.
You know, we're on a red carpet, we just have
to be the kind of prop to the women and
just get on, get a tuxedoor on. You know that
they've really kind of leant into it. I think there
was an expectation also that this is really the moment
to let go. But what I found really interesting was
that a lot of the white men, I think they
decided to step back.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, yes, you know, and it wasn't the moment.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It wasn't their moment, and I kind of appreciated that.
I mean, and you know, there were some great looks
from some white guys, but I think this was the
black men's moment to shine.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What I really liked about this year's theme the whole
tailored for you, is that we saw so many like
interpretations of the classic suit, and I think that was
also a callback to I think there's been so many
memes in the past, especially at the Met Gala, of
exactly what you said, like white men coming in just
a normal suit and people going why like, why.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Did you eat in?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And this theme just proved that you.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Can do it and make it look good.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Exactly, and I love there a like actually I loved
Walter Goggan's kind of whole yeah, that whole deconstructed skirt
situation jacket out. Yeah, that was very wild and oh yeah,
but I mean for me, I think Common Domingo has
been one of those men brings it every time, every time,
and so he started in this kind of cape situation
and that wasn't my favorite part of his look, but
(10:16):
that was his homage apparently Dondre li On Tally, you know,
the late Vogue fashion editor. And then he revealed this
fabulous kind of black and white, very loud check jacket situation,
which I just thought was amazing. So he was one
of my top picks. But then the women, Yeah, there
was a lot of tailoring and I loved a lot
of takes on the classic tucks. Yeah, and the black
(10:38):
and white, very crisp kind of look. I thought that
was fabulous. There were quite a few women doing the
kind of tuxedo take over over the trousers with the
skirt open skirt over the trousers, which was nice look. Honestly,
my top pick of the women was I mean it
was Zentaiah. My god, can she do it?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Wow? With the white I'm sorry, it's more intricate than that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well it's I mean that was kind of an homage
to Bianca Jagger, yes, and her wedding outfit when she
married Mick Jagger in the seventies. I mean, with that
hat and the jacket. Bianca wore a skirt. But Zendai
just looked so sharp. Oh my god, that was just
pin perfect to me.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh, I love that, which is interesting because it's been
like unconfirmed, but everyone kind of knows that she is engaged.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, they've confirmed confirmed.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So it was like a bridal look.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I wonder if she's just doing all bridal looks in
the Leader.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh my god, that was just and it was one
of the simpler looks, let's be honest, I mean, of
the day. But it was just so sharp.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh, and An stuck the position from last year where
she was a chair and she did those two very
over the top looks and walked the red carpet twice
and in the night this year, just watching her bounce
up the stairs and a tailored white suit being able
to sit down and move without the constriction of that
must have been lovely for her. Oh yeah, so who
are your other favorite looks? Is all I want to hear.
I want you go through the whole who got it wrong?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
For the women? For the women, I mean, apart from Zendia,
I mean I love Gigi hadid actually, And at first glance,
I wasn't quite sure how this kind of played into
the theme, but on further discovery, it was in fact
an homage to an American nineteen forties designer called Zeldawyn
Valdez and a recreation of address worn by Josephine Baker,
(12:18):
who was, of course the famous performer cabaret performers, singer,
African American Icon, the style icon, and then she had
the forties French roll hair and everything. So I really
thought that was actually quite a well considered look, I
mean beautiful anyway, but I thought, oh, there's a good
backstory there, so.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
They alone to hear the backstory. And as much as
all the beautiful suiting looked lovely on the women, just
kind of also nice for like maybe basical lydies like
me to have like a little glittery gown in the mix.
That you could look at and sort of have that
little extra glitz on the carpet.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What was great also with this is
a lot of women just in kind of tailoring and
do you know what I really what really struck me
is I thought, wow, a lot of women are looking
really comfortable tonight, really comfortable.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
What we said about Zendea, like she just ran up
those times right.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
And usually just hear people saying, I can't slip sit down.
They all arrive in those sprinter vans. They have to
have a whole group of men carry them up the stairs.
I saw no Cole Kim and getting a bit of
help up the stairs only because she had high heels on.
But everyone else is just fun and easy man.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Totally. Joey King's green suit with all the kind of
decorative details. I loved that with the check shirt as well,
and there was a lot of pattern, a lot of texture.
There was fantastic. The one I haven't seen photographs of,
but I saw video of one of my all time
red carpet favorites is Jenelle Maney likes Tom Brown. But
it was kind of a Trump lawyer effect cape suit.
(13:41):
So you kind of had this hourglass silhouette sort of
she loves a cape, oh she does, but it was
quite I mean she actually she did not look like
she was very comfortable getting into that car.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I won't lie, no, but would have been about the
performance totally.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I just think she's extraordinary. I really do her her
idea of performance that she brings to the red carpet
exactly like, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Was there anyone that like completely surprised you with what
they brought in.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
A good way or a bad actually, you know, on
the men's side of things, Andrew Scott I loved. I loved.
He also looked like he was just ready for a
really good night. I mean, and that was just like,
It's a really relaxed looking kind of linen suit, pale
blue with like an orange kind of vest and then
a mustard shirt and slightly undone tie. I just thought, yeah, cool,
(14:28):
hot priests too, doesn't look yes, Oh do you know
what I thought was really dull was Lana del Rey.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I just thought, was oh, interesting, because I've seen a
lot of people say that she's among their best dress. Well,
actually think it's more just a vibe of her. I
think people just love her a moment and like in
her face obviously, but did you think her look was
a little bit underwhelmed?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I thought it was quite undwhelming. Interesting and also like
Georgina Chapman of course, Harvey Weinstein's ex wife with Adrian Brodie,
she looked so uncomfortable when you saw her walking on
the red carpet with him. It was just like kind
of alarming. And you know, the dress obviously one of
her own dress's fishtail gown. Not exciting. Mindy Kaling great fun.
(15:09):
I just think I I think it was the Men's Night,
you know, I really do feel like that. Yeah. Jeff Goldblum,
oh my god, he was there to perform, and why
wouldn't you flirt with you? I mean, he's just so
much fun. Lewis Hamilton, actually I thought was great.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh, sir, Lewis my favorite.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's M's favorite person in the whole world, not just
her favorite celebrity.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's interesting, isn't it, Like he's Yeah, the Formula one
thing with women has really turned a corner.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I feel leaning in every single race, all cameras, like
we're not talking about sport, but before every single race,
you just see the like hordes of photographers rush to
Lewis because he always dresses up like it's.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
A runway or the sport.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, the rest of them, I just wearing their uniform.
He just like, I feel like this night is perfect
for him.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I said. Another one of the suiting looks. I
love her mom. Oh yes, that white and it looks
like a jumpsuit suit and it's got such a silhouette.
She looks fierce. And a walking cane of course, very dapper,
very dapper few canes. Yeah, yeah, very much leaning into that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I feel forgetting up tho stairs because very infamously they
don't have rails because it ruins the aesthetic of the
look and the flowers. So you either get a gentleman
to carry you up or you fall down. We have
last year he literally lifted in, So the cane just
a safety thing.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I feel, yeah, And look, I think it's kind of
worth noting for future because there's a lot of people.
And also this Hunter Shaeffer I thought was great. There
were a couple of berets on the on the red
carpet this time. I thought her white beret in the
very stark black and white tailoring was fantastic. Pamela Anderson. Look.
I love Pamela Anderson. That look didn't move me. The
(16:53):
very you know, very strict silhouette, very encrusted with beating
not my favorite, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
She was getting a lot of clap back for her hair,
which I think because I'm like, I feel like the
hair was meant because it was it was like a
very well used to seeing these kind of very loose,
luscious beachy blonde locks on her and that's been her signature.
And she had it cropped in quite short, and I really,
you know, how like when your own fringe accidentally cut
it way too short. She had that still. It was great,
(17:20):
but I just I don't know if it's all meshing together.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
She's an icon, but that wasn't my favorite look. I mean, look,
Doci was kind of fun with the kind of short suit.
I do like like all the Weton people this year,
they've really kind of they really leant into the logo
this year. Like, I mean, Doci has the little round
on her face, which was a little bit like, yeah, branding,
(17:43):
is that is that a good look? I don't know
that's a good look.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's a choice, it's a choice.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And then one of the other I can't remember off
the top of my head who it was with the
logo tights. You know, they're really leaning into logo this time.
But yeah, branding people I'm not I'm not one hundred
percent with personally, and I wasn't mad about Doja Cat.
It was one of the more performative outfits of this
It was very performative.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I'm not sure if it was exactly on theme.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But I mean there's always like quite a people every
year who don't completely do their theme, or there's just
an interpretation that we don't see when we first look
at it. Sometimes I know people get really angry about that,
but sometimes I also think it's just like a nice
little surprise, even though they might get kicked out of
the Metgala. But do you think she just thought, I'm
not doing that, I'm doing my own thing.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, she did like a little photo shoot before the
Met Gala in this beautiful, like big oversized suit that
I thought would have been a better look on the carpet.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Actually she changed to go.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But a lot of slibs doing their own photo shoots
and posting them first because they say, like Kim Kardashian
will say, like they just couldn't control the lighting and
the angles on the red carpets. They do their own first,
like that's how high the snakes are.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Fashions Night of Night. But the Tom Brown effect was
very much apparent this year. I love Tom Brown, and
of course he's got formed with the met Gala because
his partner is Andrew Bolton, who's the head of the
Costume Institute, so that's always a nice tie in. So
they have great people. But I loved Alicia Keys. She
does love a kind of beaded wig situation. So she
(19:14):
finished off her that that really solid sort of red
stripe suit off the shoulder with bustio, you know, and
then this kind of padded cape, Like yeah, I thought
it was very bold and again tapping into that just
kind of unashamed bold tailoring, which is what this kind
of dandy thing is all about, and just self expression.
(19:37):
It's all about that. One of the other men I
loved was edvon Thompson, who's a designer who really leant
into this idea of self expression as well. I mean
the suit it almost looks like it's not a velvet.
It almost looks like it's like pony skin or something,
just not technically pony. That's so it's a red suit,
and then he's got this kind of let's hope it's
a faux fur kind of coat over the top, and
(19:59):
then this black leather, very slouchy beret and a huge, huge,
like red high biscuits, probably like a leather high biscuits,
So and a lot of the dandy stuff. It is
that self expression, but it's also like the use of
accessories as well as the bold colors and checks and
that kind of thing, just basically standing out from the crowd.
And I really thought that his look kind of tapped
(20:20):
into so many elements of that. He was great, great, Gregory.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
How does this met gala compare to the rest, Like,
where would you rank it?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think for interest factor, quite high, Yes, quite high
on the interest factor because of all those reasons we
sort of said earlier, it's and men's wear thing. It's
black men's wear focus and self expression and that kind
of thing. So I think, you know, for once the
women and the white men felt they were kind of
taking slightly a backseat to proceedings, so there was there
(20:50):
were good themes to talk about, I think, so that
I found really interesting. I have enjoyed this one same.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I feel like this is my favorite one. Yeah, it's
a favor one a long time. Just I guess for
the history and what we've seen the clothes, it's been
so incredible. Well, thank you so much for joining us
today and for giving us all that insight. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, Met Gala news aside, because we are, as mentioned before,
going to be doing a big Met Gala episode.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We're really hitting people over the head with it because
it's gonna be big.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Guys, It's gonna be big. Because I need to talk
about right now, something that's going on with my best
friend Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Oh my god, what's happened to Beyonce? She's been through
an half leave alone, I know.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Okay, So Beyonce has kicked off her Cowboy Carter tour.
It's the second installation of her trifecta. We had Renaissance
earlier Cowboy Carter. Don't know what's gonna come next. It's
gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's meant to be like a rock album, right She's
one of a dance album, a country album, and the
next one's gonna be a rock album.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I can't wait for that one, and also I think
we saw a glimpse at the Renaissance Tour where she
introduced Blue Ivy to the world as one of the
best dances I've ever seen. And Blue Ivy is also
in the Cowboy Carter Tour. She's like a prominent backup dancer.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Now, yes, the hard thing is with Blue Ivy is
that when she first appeared on stage with her mum,
she went quite viral for not a very nice reasons
that so many people were making fun of her dancing.
I mean, she's a little child, but she also was
like right next to Beyonce dancing with all of her
very talented, like well trained backup dancers, and everyone was
just making fun of her and saying like this is
what happens when you put an Neippo baby on stage
(22:27):
and like she looks basically people being super nasty about it.
So apparently after that, I was reading some interviews where
Blue Ivy's like trainers and dancers were talking and they
were saying that she's been training like three to four
hours a day, sometimes like just six hours a day,
nearly every day. It was like maybe much as piano practice. Yeah,
where like clearly the same level of I was a saying,
now you guys are in the same place. That's nice.
(22:49):
So she's been like ever since then, so like well
over a year to get herself up to the level
where she is now. So every time she comes out
on stage now, she's like the girl's got something to prove.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And it's actually worked. Like if you didn't know that
she was Beyonce's daughter, you would just think she was a.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Backup Dan Well, I would hope they're doing three to
four hours, sometimes six hours a day dance training, Like
that's to me, that's almost too much would show up,
you know, with someone I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Sure Northwest could have done so a few practices before
the line, she's too called for that. I actually showed
the video to my parents and they were like, whoa,
that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Okay, that's obviously the only critique I care about, because
your parents wouldn't mince their words anyway.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Blue Ivy aside, I want to talk about the latest
debate that's come out of Beyonce's Cowboy Carter tour, which
speaks to what everyone's calling concert culture burnout. So here's
exactly what happened when the news of Beyonce's tour dropped. Obviously,
tickets went on sale. We've all been there. If you've
(23:49):
been to a concert, you're like waiting online. I think
everyone experienced this in the country for Taylor Swift's Eras tour.
I know everyone in that office, Dick, You're just like
in this online queue for hours trying to get in.
Same thing happened for Beyonce. It has been reported that
people were in queues from thirty thousand to eighty thousand
people long.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
There were technical glitches.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
People were being kicked out, and like hours and hours
later if someone finally got in. It was reported that
nosebleed seats were going up to six hundred dollars USD.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Wow, that is just well, I kind of believe with Beyonce,
but it does sound insane.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And the thing is, it's not Beyonce's fault. So the
whole system it was on ticket Master and this is
what happens when Ticketmaster uses dynamic pricing, which is pricing
based on demand.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So the backlash was huge. X was going.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Absolutely crazy with people saying that it was stressful, the
whole process was stressful. Beyonce was greedy, the whole thing
was bullshit. And because of the pricing of these tickets,
there were entire rows that were left unsold during pre
sale and a very slow and lagged sale during the
general admission, which was something that I feel like is
literally unthinkable in any previous Beyonce concert. So the whole
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thing is about dynamic pricing, as I mentioned before, and
dynamic pricing is kind of similar to you know, when
we ordered ubers, and if you're at a concert or
like at a festival, the uber pricing just goes surgeres
surges or if it rains or something. It's the same
with ticket Master. So because people are waiting for the
tickets to drop, like you're literally counting down the seconds
before you go into the website, it sees like this
(25:26):
whole insurge of people, so the price is just goes skyrocketing.
And now it's been reported that there's tickets for these
Beyonce shows that are now going for fifty seven dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That is insane imagining Beyonce for fifty seven dollars and
people like usually over there would be more expensive than that, honestly.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And what makes it even worse is that the website
isn't allowing people who bought tickets for six hundred dollars
to transfer them for the cheaper tickets, so you're not
allowed to get a refund or anything like that, and
people aren't able to also resell their tickets. So it's
just become this whole whole mess which is making people
really upset, which is rightfully so, and also just really
(26:07):
upsetting for the musician because we also don't know how
much control the musician actually has, because I feel like
when it comes to these ticketing websites, it's so siloedes,
like there's no competition, kind of like airlines, right, It's
no competition, so you just have to pay what you
want to pay, and it kind of gambles with the
idea of how desperately people want to see their favorite
(26:28):
pop star live. And I do think the whole thing
about concert burnout has come just from the pricing, because
at the same time, a week later, we see Lady
Gaga who performs for free a free concert in Copacabana
Beach in Rio. Two point one million people attended that concert. Jesus,
(26:48):
So it's not about like being flustered in crowds or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's literally all to do with.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Just surprising, and I think it's just such a shame,
especially when you see younger artists who know that they're
not going to get any money back from this concert
because so much goes to like everyone who's working on it,
plus the venue, plus the merch stands, like everything, and
they just want to prefer for their fans and they
physically can't.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, I think a lot of it does come down
to pricing, because it wasn't that the conversation when like
taylorsof was here with her Eras tour and so many
people spent like their yearly holiday budget on that by
the time they bought their ticket and they had to
travel their hotel, ten thousand dollars people were spending exactly.
And then a lot of those live music festivals or
all those kind of things where normally people would pay
to that just saw this huge decline in ticket sales,
(27:34):
and like when you read the interviews with people who
are involved in that, so much of that was because
they think that people just spent their budget on something
else that year. And it's interesting even with something like Coachella,
Like apparently this year with Coachella, it was the first
time that the majority of tickets of like the general
mission tickets were bought with like pay later schemes or
were bought on credit. So for the first time ever,
(27:55):
people were having to sort of budget and like pay
for their tickets over time, whereas usually they kind of
purchased just in one go. So it's kind of interesting
because like that is like that whole concert tourism thing
that we talk about, Like that's your holiday budget for
the year to go. And so if you're going on
to get a Beyonce ticket, you're like, oh, fly to
La to see her or whatever, then you have to
factor in like a two thousand dollar ticket on top
(28:16):
of your flights and everything. Imagine also being Beyonce and
looking because when you watch like some of the live
streams of her concerts, you can see that there's blocks
of seats empty when the lights and stuff go around.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
That's exactly imagine being her and seeing empty.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Seats and being like, I'm the greatest, like living artist
of all time. I'm up here playing this iconic that
I won a Grammy Award for like in a huge way.
And then you know, I'm bringing out all these different
kind of dancers and there's all these hidden meanings, and
it's all this kind of thing and looking out to
the audience and seeing these big blocks of empty seats because.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Your fans can't afford to be there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh I would hate that intense right. It's kind of
interesting because you look at someone like Jennifer Lopez who
tried to have a big worldwide tour and had to
cancel due to poor ticket sales, and everyone's like, oh,
this is because everyone hates j Low now and I
never thought that was the case.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Katy Perry, Yeah, everyone's like slamming her for what not
selling out concerts. Yeah, like it's a Kay Perry show.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Also, have you seenilar trending stuff about her?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I feel like it's become such a bad pilot.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's yeah. I mean, look, she has done some weird things,
but I just think that it's just become very easy
to hate her. Yeah. And also I just think it's
that trending sound from your favor thing in the world,
Saturday Night Life, where they kind of show like a
Sabrina Kelsey Ballerini, a Taylor Swift and then they end
on Katie Perry where she's doing that weird run where
she's leaping across the stage. But it's just her vibe,
(29:33):
but just having fun.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, the pop starts have fun. Thank you so much
for listening to the Spill today. Don't forget if we
haven't shouted it at you enough.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
We didn't mention it.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
We are doing a very big deep dive into the
entire met gala, not just the looks, but also the interviews,
everything that went on backstay.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Finds in gossip, the after party.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Look, it's gonna be a good one. The Spill is
produced by Amy Kimball with sound production by Scott Stronik.
And we'll be back here on your podcast feed at
three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Bye bye, Lana.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
He
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this spill your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm m Burnham And of course
today is the first Monday in May, which means it
is time for the Met Gala.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh my god, I'm so excited, so excited. And for
those of us not invited, which is pretty much everyone
who's not a super alias star or hasn't angered Ada Wintour,
who has turned the Met Gala into this huge event
that it is. Now, we've been watching all the red
carpet arrivals, the live stream. Actually it's still going on
because we have to record in the morning. The Metgala
(00:57):
live stream is still going on as we're in recording.
So we've seen some big moments. We've seen a few arrivals,
but we're going to do our full Met Gala rundown, thoughts, feelings, concerns,
feedback everything. During to Morrow's episode, I know about you, Emily,
about my list of talking points and like things. I
put exclamation marks against some of the celebrity interactions. I
(01:17):
cannot believe actually happened. My list is long and intense.
I also have a long and intense list. Yeah. So,
so we're going to touch on today because obviously so
many of the incredible looks have come through, and we're
going to be talking about the best, the most questionable,
the most memorable, the meaning behind them, all, the theme
and we have a very special guest joining us who
(01:39):
is probably the one person in Australia who knows the
most about this type of high level fashion. So don't worry,
won't just but be us, but make sure you tune
into tomorrow for our full Met Gala episode. But coming
up on the show today.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Coming up on the show today, we are also going
to touch on some concert culture because the celebrity news
is still ongoing. Even though it's Met Gala Day, A
lot has been happening, especially with our musician celebrities.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, you've got some hot goss happening. I wasn't even
across half the stuff that you've It's quite upsetting.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Go as well.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Oh no, okay, oh Jesus christ strap in thirst. It's
coming later in the show. But first we had been
watching a bit of the Met Gala in the office,
so we have seen a few arrivals, and I guess
the person that everyone was really waiting to see was
Rihanna because her partner Rocky Asap Rocky is one of
the Met Gala chairs, along with Common Domingo, Lewis Hamilton,
(02:31):
Jis Hamilton. I'm so sorry, sir Lewis Hamilton on God
forgot who I was dealing with here and see your
faie before you even saw anyone's looks. He's been my
favorite years man. Yeah, you only saw his face on
the correct carpet and everything washed away. He saw what
he was wearing before the Metgala. I was like, oh, yeah,
that's brilliant and for Ah Williams don't want to forget him.
So they are the co chairs, So like if you're
not across, which is fine because you might have a
(02:52):
real life what's that like? Every year, Anna win Tour,
who is in charge of the Met Gala, picks a
whole bunch of like celebrities and influential people to be
the co chairs and they're involved in running the event
and they're required to get there very early on the day.
Maybe they're helping set up chairs or who knows.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They were watching a performs Oh see that, yeah yeah,
and common Demingo jumped in with the dancers on them.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It was so amazing. So Rocky got there early and
then a little bit later, Rihanna was seen entering the
Carlisle Hotel, very very famous hotel in New York and
where a lot of celebrities stay for the met Gala,
to the point where they pretty much have like a
full photo wall set up, like an unofficial photo wall
set up outside so that you can watch the exits
(03:36):
from the Carlisle. So a lot of people don't even
bother going to the met Gala. They go to the
Carlisle and set up there to get the first looks
of celebrities coming out.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Unless the celebrity comes out in a giant box with
umbrellas over them.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh my god, I have them, Melissa Tomorrow. Don't even
worry about that. So before the event kicked off, Rihanna
and her usual kind of cool gal style was popped
heading into the Carlisle with a very noticeable baby bump.
It feels so old school tabloid, a very noticeable baby bomb.
But you know it's been confirmed now it's been confirmed.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
What's funny about this is that she had to one
up her last baby bump, which was the Super Bowl,
and it feels like now she just can't have any
more kids because you have to.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Keep going bigger and bigger. Next minute, she'll go to
space like Katie Perry, and she'll like, instead of holding
off a daisy, she'll like open her face. God, why
would it be cool if she did that?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't know, but I just know it'll be cool.
I just know her kids when they're teenagers are going
to be like, you're the super Bowl baby or the
Mechla baby.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, or the baby that was papped on the beach.
The baby it's the one who got exposed on TikTok Okay,
we're not laughing in sterables. Obviously. This is her third
baby with Asap Rocky. So they had little Razor who
was born in May twenty twenty two, and that was
their first baby and they actually got to announce the
pregnancy themselves because they had those street style pap shots.
(04:53):
Remember that it was the baby's face that was papped
against their disgusting yeah, which they were quite upset about
on a beach. And then Rihanna had to share a
picture because she was trying to beat the fat pat
photos coming out. So they had little Rizza, who was
born in May twenty twenty two, and then Riot, their
second son, who that was the Super Bowl baby, super
Well pregnancy. It was being called that at the Super Bowl.
(05:13):
She didn't mean to in twenty twenty three to announce
her pregnancy. She was supposed to be wearing that big
floaty jumpsuit and then on the day didn't zip up properly,
so she was like, oh, oh yeah, how Everyone was like,
she looks pregnant, but we don't want to say it,
which people mock now, but I was like, that's just
the proper thing to do, Like you can't start saying
someone's pregnant while they're still in the middle of their
first Super Bowls. And she knew it as well.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
She's like, you will not hear that word come out
of my mouth until I'm done.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Dad, Yeah, exactly, And afterwards she was just like, yeah,
it wasn't like a big deal. It just happened to happen.
So we love that. So then this is the met
Gala baby, and it is a big.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Deal because this means we're probably not going to get
another album until this baby is well.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think she's been a little bit busy, looked clearly
she's been busy. So that's exciting. So yes, much more
met Gala is still to come in this episode and tomorrow,
but I feel like so far that's like one of
the most fun reveals from today.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So today it's very very exciting because we always hap
on how we're not a fashion podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Except today, Speak for Yourself.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Are a fashion podcast because we are joined by fashion writer,
commentator and consultant Glennis trail Nash. Glennis was a fashion
editor at The Australian for nine years and as a
regular contributor to Business of Fashion, Marie Claire Harper's Bizarre
in Style and many many more. So we are very
very lucky to have her here today.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And just a quick note before we jump into this segment,
we have posted a carousel on our Instagram page, which
is the Spill Podcast on Instagram, with every look we're
about to discuss in this segment in order, So if
you want the visual effect of what we're talking about,
open Instagram head over to the Spill it'll be clearly
marked the images for this segment and you can follow
along as we chat. Well, thank you so much for
(06:52):
joining us today.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thanks for having me. It's always nice to visit.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So first off, i'd love you to explain the theme
and sort of how different people interpreted that, because obviously
that's such a huge part of the MET Gala. In
this year's theme, I think was particularly important to a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Absolutely, and it's also worth noting that this is the
first men'swear exhibition and theme that we've had since two
thousand and three, I think, And of course this is
a celebration of black men's style and dandyism. So the
actual theme is, well, the exhibition is super fine tailoring
black style, and then the theme for the MET Gala
(07:27):
itself is tailored for you. So that allows people then to,
I guess, especially women, you know, to kind of cater
to this theme in whatever way they see appropriate. But
obviously this idea of black dandyism is really interesting culturally,
and it kind of came sort of in the post
emancipation era in the US. It plays into the European
(07:49):
idea of the dandy though, so you know, the Beau Brummel,
that kind of thing in the UK. So we're talking
like eighteenth century into nineteenth century, very polished, very fancy,
and so then you've got for black men. I mean,
it's an interesting thing because you've got a minority group
effective or a disenfranchised group wanting to kind of empower
(08:11):
themselves and it's kind of almost an act of rebellion
and when other people are pushing them down, they're raising
themselves up in an act of defiance.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, that's so interesting because we did feel, even just
watching the live streams and the interviews and the photos,
it did feel like I had a bit of a
different energy this year, just because I guess of the
designers that were there and the way people were dressed,
and the way that black fashion and black history was
having its moment, almost felt like it had more of
a joyful kind of presence and previous Matt Galas or
maybe that's just me looking at.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It, I think that's absolutely legitimate. And I also think
it's interesting that when you look at all the guests
who were there, and obviously there was a huge focus
on men's were okay, so that we were expecting the
men to really kind of lift the game, and let's
be honest, in the last five years or so, men's
red carpet fashion has really been on the rise, and
I think it's almost been more interesting than the women's
(09:00):
in a sense, because men have moved away from that.
You know, we're on a red carpet, we just have
to be the kind of prop to the women and
just get on, get a tuxedoor on. You know that
they've really kind of leant into it. I think there
was an expectation also that this is really the moment
to let go. But what I found really interesting was
that a lot of the white men, I think they
decided to step back.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, yes, you know, and it wasn't the moment.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It wasn't their moment, and I kind of appreciated that.
I mean, and you know, there were some great looks
from some white guys, but I think this was the
black men's moment to shine.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What I really liked about this year's theme the whole
tailored for you, is that we saw so many like
interpretations of the classic suit, and I think that was
also a callback to I think there's been so many
memes in the past, especially at the Met Gala, of
exactly what you said, like white men coming in just
a normal suit and people going why like, why.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Did you eat in?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And this theme just proved that you.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Can do it and make it look good.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Exactly, and I love there a like actually I loved
Walter Goggan's kind of whole yeah, that whole deconstructed skirt
situation jacket out. Yeah, that was very wild and oh yeah,
but I mean for me, I think Common Domingo has
been one of those men brings it every time, every time,
and so he started in this kind of cape situation
and that wasn't my favorite part of his look, but
(10:16):
that was his homage apparently Dondre li On Tally, you know,
the late Vogue fashion editor. And then he revealed this
fabulous kind of black and white, very loud check jacket situation,
which I just thought was amazing. So he was one
of my top picks. But then the women, Yeah, there
was a lot of tailoring and I loved a lot
of takes on the classic tucks. Yeah, and the black
(10:38):
and white, very crisp kind of look. I thought that
was fabulous. There were quite a few women doing the
kind of tuxedo take over over the trousers with the
skirt open skirt over the trousers, which was nice look. Honestly,
my top pick of the women was I mean it
was Zentaiah. My god, can she do it?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Wow? With the white I'm sorry, it's more intricate than that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well it's I mean that was kind of an homage
to Bianca Jagger, yes, and her wedding outfit when she
married Mick Jagger in the seventies. I mean, with that
hat and the jacket. Bianca wore a skirt. But Zendai
just looked so sharp. Oh my god, that was just
pin perfect to me.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh, I love that, which is interesting because it's been
like unconfirmed, but everyone kind of knows that she is engaged.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, they've confirmed confirmed.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So it was like a bridal look.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I wonder if she's just doing all bridal looks in
the Leader.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh my god, that was just and it was one
of the simpler looks, let's be honest, I mean, of
the day. But it was just so sharp.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh, and An stuck the position from last year where
she was a chair and she did those two very
over the top looks and walked the red carpet twice
and in the night this year, just watching her bounce
up the stairs and a tailored white suit being able
to sit down and move without the constriction of that
must have been lovely for her. Oh yeah, so who
are your other favorite looks? Is all I want to hear.
I want you go through the whole who got it wrong?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
For the women? For the women, I mean, apart from Zendia,
I mean I love Gigi hadid actually, And at first glance,
I wasn't quite sure how this kind of played into
the theme, but on further discovery, it was in fact
an homage to an American nineteen forties designer called Zeldawyn
Valdez and a recreation of address worn by Josephine Baker,
(12:18):
who was, of course the famous performer cabaret performers, singer,
African American Icon, the style icon, and then she had
the forties French roll hair and everything. So I really
thought that was actually quite a well considered look, I
mean beautiful anyway, but I thought, oh, there's a good
backstory there, so.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
They alone to hear the backstory. And as much as
all the beautiful suiting looked lovely on the women, just
kind of also nice for like maybe basical lydies like
me to have like a little glittery gown in the mix.
That you could look at and sort of have that
little extra glitz on the carpet.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What was great also with this is
a lot of women just in kind of tailoring and
do you know what I really what really struck me
is I thought, wow, a lot of women are looking
really comfortable tonight, really comfortable.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
What we said about Zendea, like she just ran up
those times right.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
And usually just hear people saying, I can't slip sit down.
They all arrive in those sprinter vans. They have to
have a whole group of men carry them up the stairs.
I saw no Cole Kim and getting a bit of
help up the stairs only because she had high heels on.
But everyone else is just fun and easy man.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Totally. Joey King's green suit with all the kind of
decorative details. I loved that with the check shirt as well,
and there was a lot of pattern, a lot of texture.
There was fantastic. The one I haven't seen photographs of,
but I saw video of one of my all time
red carpet favorites is Jenelle Maney likes Tom Brown. But
it was kind of a Trump lawyer effect cape suit.
(13:41):
So you kind of had this hourglass silhouette sort of
she loves a cape, oh she does, but it was
quite I mean she actually she did not look like
she was very comfortable getting into that car.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I won't lie, no, but would have been about the
performance totally.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I just think she's extraordinary. I really do her her
idea of performance that she brings to the red carpet
exactly like, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Was there anyone that like completely surprised you with what
they brought in.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
A good way or a bad actually, you know, on
the men's side of things, Andrew Scott I loved. I loved.
He also looked like he was just ready for a
really good night. I mean, and that was just like,
It's a really relaxed looking kind of linen suit, pale
blue with like an orange kind of vest and then
a mustard shirt and slightly undone tie. I just thought, yeah, cool,
(14:28):
hot priests too, doesn't look yes, Oh do you know
what I thought was really dull was Lana del Rey.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I just thought, was oh, interesting, because I've seen a
lot of people say that she's among their best dress. Well,
actually think it's more just a vibe of her. I
think people just love her a moment and like in
her face obviously, but did you think her look was
a little bit underwhelmed?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I thought it was quite undwhelming. Interesting and also like
Georgina Chapman of course, Harvey Weinstein's ex wife with Adrian Brodie,
she looked so uncomfortable when you saw her walking on
the red carpet with him. It was just like kind
of alarming. And you know, the dress obviously one of
her own dress's fishtail gown. Not exciting. Mindy Kaling great fun.
(15:09):
I just think I I think it was the Men's Night,
you know, I really do feel like that. Yeah. Jeff Goldblum,
oh my god, he was there to perform, and why
wouldn't you flirt with you? I mean, he's just so
much fun. Lewis Hamilton, actually I thought was great.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh, sir, Lewis my favorite.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's M's favorite person in the whole world, not just
her favorite celebrity.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's interesting, isn't it, Like he's Yeah, the Formula one
thing with women has really turned a corner.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I feel leaning in every single race, all cameras, like
we're not talking about sport, but before every single race,
you just see the like hordes of photographers rush to
Lewis because he always dresses up like it's.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
A runway or the sport.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, the rest of them, I just wearing their uniform.
He just like, I feel like this night is perfect
for him.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I said. Another one of the suiting looks. I
love her mom. Oh yes, that white and it looks
like a jumpsuit suit and it's got such a silhouette.
She looks fierce. And a walking cane of course, very dapper,
very dapper few canes. Yeah, yeah, very much leaning into that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I feel forgetting up tho stairs because very infamously they
don't have rails because it ruins the aesthetic of the
look and the flowers. So you either get a gentleman
to carry you up or you fall down. We have
last year he literally lifted in, So the cane just
a safety thing.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I feel, yeah, And look, I think it's kind of
worth noting for future because there's a lot of people.
And also this Hunter Shaeffer I thought was great. There
were a couple of berets on the on the red
carpet this time. I thought her white beret in the
very stark black and white tailoring was fantastic. Pamela Anderson. Look.
I love Pamela Anderson. That look didn't move me. The
(16:53):
very you know, very strict silhouette, very encrusted with beating
not my favorite, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
She was getting a lot of clap back for her hair,
which I think because I'm like, I feel like the
hair was meant because it was it was like a
very well used to seeing these kind of very loose,
luscious beachy blonde locks on her and that's been her signature.
And she had it cropped in quite short, and I really,
you know, how like when your own fringe accidentally cut
it way too short. She had that still. It was great,
(17:20):
but I just I don't know if it's all meshing together.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
She's an icon, but that wasn't my favorite look. I mean, look,
Doci was kind of fun with the kind of short suit.
I do like like all the Weton people this year,
they've really kind of they really leant into the logo
this year. Like, I mean, Doci has the little round
on her face, which was a little bit like, yeah, branding,
(17:43):
is that is that a good look? I don't know
that's a good look.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's a choice, it's a choice.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And then one of the other I can't remember off
the top of my head who it was with the
logo tights. You know, they're really leaning into logo this time.
But yeah, branding people I'm not I'm not one hundred
percent with personally, and I wasn't mad about Doja Cat.
It was one of the more performative outfits of this
It was very performative.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I'm not sure if it was exactly on theme.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But I mean there's always like quite a people every
year who don't completely do their theme, or there's just
an interpretation that we don't see when we first look
at it. Sometimes I know people get really angry about that,
but sometimes I also think it's just like a nice
little surprise, even though they might get kicked out of
the Metgala. But do you think she just thought, I'm
not doing that, I'm doing my own thing.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, she did like a little photo shoot before the
Met Gala in this beautiful, like big oversized suit that
I thought would have been a better look on the carpet.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Actually she changed to go.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But a lot of slibs doing their own photo shoots
and posting them first because they say, like Kim Kardashian
will say, like they just couldn't control the lighting and
the angles on the red carpets. They do their own first,
like that's how high the snakes are.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Fashions Night of Night. But the Tom Brown effect was
very much apparent this year. I love Tom Brown, and
of course he's got formed with the met Gala because
his partner is Andrew Bolton, who's the head of the
Costume Institute, so that's always a nice tie in. So
they have great people. But I loved Alicia Keys. She
does love a kind of beaded wig situation. So she
(19:14):
finished off her that that really solid sort of red
stripe suit off the shoulder with bustio, you know, and
then this kind of padded cape, Like yeah, I thought
it was very bold and again tapping into that just
kind of unashamed bold tailoring, which is what this kind
of dandy thing is all about, and just self expression.
(19:37):
It's all about that. One of the other men I
loved was edvon Thompson, who's a designer who really leant
into this idea of self expression as well. I mean
the suit it almost looks like it's not a velvet.
It almost looks like it's like pony skin or something,
just not technically pony. That's so it's a red suit,
and then he's got this kind of let's hope it's
a faux fur kind of coat over the top, and
(19:59):
then this black leather, very slouchy beret and a huge, huge,
like red high biscuits, probably like a leather high biscuits,
So and a lot of the dandy stuff. It is
that self expression, but it's also like the use of
accessories as well as the bold colors and checks and
that kind of thing, just basically standing out from the crowd.
And I really thought that his look kind of tapped
(20:20):
into so many elements of that. He was great, great, Gregory.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
How does this met gala compare to the rest, Like,
where would you rank it?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think for interest factor, quite high, Yes, quite high
on the interest factor because of all those reasons we
sort of said earlier, it's and men's wear thing. It's
black men's wear focus and self expression and that kind
of thing. So I think, you know, for once the
women and the white men felt they were kind of
taking slightly a backseat to proceedings, so there was there
(20:50):
were good themes to talk about, I think, so that
I found really interesting. I have enjoyed this one same.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I feel like this is my favorite one. Yeah, it's
a favor one a long time. Just I guess for
the history and what we've seen the clothes, it's been
so incredible. Well, thank you so much for joining us
today and for giving us all that insight. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, Met Gala news aside, because we are, as mentioned before,
going to be doing a big Met Gala episode.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We're really hitting people over the head with it because
it's gonna be big.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Guys, It's gonna be big. Because I need to talk
about right now, something that's going on with my best
friend Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Oh my god, what's happened to Beyonce? She's been through
an half leave alone, I know.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Okay, So Beyonce has kicked off her Cowboy Carter tour.
It's the second installation of her trifecta. We had Renaissance
earlier Cowboy Carter. Don't know what's gonna come next. It's
gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's meant to be like a rock album, right She's
one of a dance album, a country album, and the
next one's gonna be a rock album.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I can't wait for that one, and also I think
we saw a glimpse at the Renaissance Tour where she
introduced Blue Ivy to the world as one of the
best dances I've ever seen. And Blue Ivy is also
in the Cowboy Carter Tour. She's like a prominent backup dancer.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Now, yes, the hard thing is with Blue Ivy is
that when she first appeared on stage with her mum,
she went quite viral for not a very nice reasons
that so many people were making fun of her dancing.
I mean, she's a little child, but she also was
like right next to Beyonce dancing with all of her
very talented, like well trained backup dancers, and everyone was
just making fun of her and saying like this is
what happens when you put an Neippo baby on stage
(22:27):
and like she looks basically people being super nasty about it.
So apparently after that, I was reading some interviews where
Blue Ivy's like trainers and dancers were talking and they
were saying that she's been training like three to four
hours a day, sometimes like just six hours a day,
nearly every day. It was like maybe much as piano practice. Yeah,
where like clearly the same level of I was a saying,
now you guys are in the same place. That's nice.
(22:49):
So she's been like ever since then, so like well
over a year to get herself up to the level
where she is now. So every time she comes out
on stage now, she's like the girl's got something to prove.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And it's actually worked. Like if you didn't know that
she was Beyonce's daughter, you would just think she was a.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Backup Dan Well, I would hope they're doing three to
four hours, sometimes six hours a day dance training, Like
that's to me, that's almost too much would show up,
you know, with someone I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Sure Northwest could have done so a few practices before
the line, she's too called for that. I actually showed
the video to my parents and they were like, whoa,
that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Okay, that's obviously the only critique I care about, because
your parents wouldn't mince their words anyway.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Blue Ivy aside, I want to talk about the latest
debate that's come out of Beyonce's Cowboy Carter tour, which
speaks to what everyone's calling concert culture burnout. So here's
exactly what happened when the news of Beyonce's tour dropped. Obviously,
tickets went on sale. We've all been there. If you've
(23:49):
been to a concert, you're like waiting online. I think
everyone experienced this in the country for Taylor Swift's Eras tour.
I know everyone in that office, Dick, You're just like
in this online queue for hours trying to get in.
Same thing happened for Beyonce. It has been reported that
people were in queues from thirty thousand to eighty thousand
people long.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
There were technical glitches.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
People were being kicked out, and like hours and hours
later if someone finally got in. It was reported that
nosebleed seats were going up to six hundred dollars USD.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Wow, that is just well, I kind of believe with Beyonce,
but it does sound insane.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And the thing is, it's not Beyonce's fault. So the
whole system it was on ticket Master and this is
what happens when Ticketmaster uses dynamic pricing, which is pricing
based on demand.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So the backlash was huge. X was going.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Absolutely crazy with people saying that it was stressful, the
whole process was stressful. Beyonce was greedy, the whole thing
was bullshit. And because of the pricing of these tickets,
there were entire rows that were left unsold during pre
sale and a very slow and lagged sale during the
general admission, which was something that I feel like is
literally unthinkable in any previous Beyonce concert. So the whole
(25:04):
thing is about dynamic pricing, as I mentioned before, and
dynamic pricing is kind of similar to you know, when
we ordered ubers, and if you're at a concert or
like at a festival, the uber pricing just goes surgeres
surges or if it rains or something. It's the same
with ticket Master. So because people are waiting for the
tickets to drop, like you're literally counting down the seconds
before you go into the website, it sees like this
(25:26):
whole insurge of people, so the price is just goes skyrocketing.
And now it's been reported that there's tickets for these
Beyonce shows that are now going for fifty seven dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That is insane imagining Beyonce for fifty seven dollars and
people like usually over there would be more expensive than that, honestly.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And what makes it even worse is that the website
isn't allowing people who bought tickets for six hundred dollars
to transfer them for the cheaper tickets, so you're not
allowed to get a refund or anything like that, and
people aren't able to also resell their tickets. So it's
just become this whole whole mess which is making people
really upset, which is rightfully so, and also just really
(26:07):
upsetting for the musician because we also don't know how
much control the musician actually has, because I feel like
when it comes to these ticketing websites, it's so siloedes,
like there's no competition, kind of like airlines, right, It's
no competition, so you just have to pay what you
want to pay, and it kind of gambles with the
idea of how desperately people want to see their favorite
(26:28):
pop star live. And I do think the whole thing
about concert burnout has come just from the pricing, because
at the same time, a week later, we see Lady
Gaga who performs for free a free concert in Copacabana
Beach in Rio. Two point one million people attended that concert. Jesus,
(26:48):
So it's not about like being flustered in crowds or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's literally all to do with.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Just surprising, and I think it's just such a shame,
especially when you see younger artists who know that they're
not going to get any money back from this concert
because so much goes to like everyone who's working on it,
plus the venue, plus the merch stands, like everything, and
they just want to prefer for their fans and they
physically can't.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, I think a lot of it does come down
to pricing, because it wasn't that the conversation when like
taylorsof was here with her Eras tour and so many
people spent like their yearly holiday budget on that by
the time they bought their ticket and they had to
travel their hotel, ten thousand dollars people were spending exactly.
And then a lot of those live music festivals or
all those kind of things where normally people would pay
to that just saw this huge decline in ticket sales,
(27:34):
and like when you read the interviews with people who
are involved in that, so much of that was because
they think that people just spent their budget on something
else that year. And it's interesting even with something like Coachella,
Like apparently this year with Coachella, it was the first
time that the majority of tickets of like the general
mission tickets were bought with like pay later schemes or
were bought on credit. So for the first time ever,
(27:55):
people were having to sort of budget and like pay
for their tickets over time, whereas usually they kind of
purchased just in one go. So it's kind of interesting
because like that is like that whole concert tourism thing
that we talk about, Like that's your holiday budget for
the year to go. And so if you're going on
to get a Beyonce ticket, you're like, oh, fly to
La to see her or whatever, then you have to
factor in like a two thousand dollar ticket on top
(28:16):
of your flights and everything. Imagine also being Beyonce and
looking because when you watch like some of the live
streams of her concerts, you can see that there's blocks
of seats empty when the lights and stuff go around.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
That's exactly imagine being her and seeing empty.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Seats and being like, I'm the greatest, like living artist
of all time. I'm up here playing this iconic that
I won a Grammy Award for like in a huge way.
And then you know, I'm bringing out all these different
kind of dancers and there's all these hidden meanings, and
it's all this kind of thing and looking out to
the audience and seeing these big blocks of empty seats because.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Your fans can't afford to be there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh I would hate that intense right. It's kind of
interesting because you look at someone like Jennifer Lopez who
tried to have a big worldwide tour and had to
cancel due to poor ticket sales, and everyone's like, oh,
this is because everyone hates j Low now and I
never thought that was the case.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Katy Perry, Yeah, everyone's like slamming her for what not
selling out concerts. Yeah, like it's a Kay Perry show.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Also, have you seenilar trending stuff about her?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I feel like it's become such a bad pilot.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's yeah. I mean, look, she has done some weird things,
but I just think that it's just become very easy
to hate her. Yeah. And also I just think it's
that trending sound from your favor thing in the world,
Saturday Night Life, where they kind of show like a
Sabrina Kelsey Ballerini, a Taylor Swift and then they end
on Katie Perry where she's doing that weird run where
she's leaping across the stage. But it's just her vibe,
(29:33):
but just having fun.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, the pop starts have fun. Thank you so much
for listening to the Spill today. Don't forget if we
haven't shouted it at you enough.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
We didn't mention it.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
We are doing a very big deep dive into the
entire met gala, not just the looks, but also the interviews,
everything that went on backstay.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Finds in gossip, the after party.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Look, it's gonna be a good one. The Spill is
produced by Amy Kimball with sound production by Scott Stronik.
And we'll be back here on your podcast feed at
three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Bye bye, Lana.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
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