April 21, 2025 • 21 mins
There’s nothing we love more than a movie with a plot twist that shakes us to the core, so much so that we have to sit down and watch it a second time.
It got us thinking about the movies with plot twists so intense and storylines so cleverly crafted that we just had to hit the rewind button immediately and sit through them again.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on. Hello spillers, this is Laura dropping in
your feed to say that it's a public holiday in
Australia today, so we are not releasing a new episode,
but we did not want to leave you hanging and
let you miss out on a day of the spill
(00:31):
so instead we are re sharing one of our favorite
episodes from the last year. So this episode is the
Movies you Have to Watch Twice, a very fun, interesting, shocking,
deep dive into the movies that have shocked us to
our core all because their plot twists and like the
big reveals at the end were so unexpected. And as
(00:51):
you watch these movies, you can see them building to
the plot twist. You can see the clues that have
been smattered through, you can see the little Easter eggs
and secret messages that have been hidden. So you really
do have to watch these movies twice in order to
see the full reveal. So we do get into quite
a few spoilery pot twists in here, but they're all
very kind of movies that I'm sure you've seen, and
(01:12):
their movies so cleverly core after that, you'll just want
to hit the rewine button every time you watch them.
So please enjoy the movies you have to watch twice
from mom and me O. Welcome to the spill your
daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney and I'm m Burnham.
Happy Friday. I was busy forming on the ship. How
(01:34):
long are we going to talk about that? You are
mopping the decks. I would not know how to do that.
I have no kind of seafaring skills except I'm a
really strong swimmer. I'm a slow but strong swimmer. I'm like, oh,
I'm like a porpoise breaststroke only I've had so many
messages from spillers wanting to know our thoughts, and Emily
in Paris, because obviously I made such a big deal
about flying to Queensland to watch the screeners with my sister.
(01:57):
Then they gave us the first three and I really
hyped up our response. But then I was away for
when part one of season four came out.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I have a confession.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You haven't watched it, Well, you're gonna have to watch
it because the second part's coming out soon. And I
want us to do a whole, broodly, honest review. Kas
and I have so much.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I feel like the reason why I haven't watched it,
and I think you will respect that, is because I
haven't been in the right headspace. Und I've been craving
very deep, serious stuff right now, and I feel like
when you're craving one type of genre, you can't just
like switch your mind to watch the other.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You need to make a bit of an event of
Emily in Paris, and then when part two of season
four comes out, you need to watch the whole thing
so we can do an episode on it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I am telling you right now, I am going to
be watching it on my phone on my walk home.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Okay, but a few issues. One you're definitely gonna get
hit by car, and two that is not the way
you experience a masterpiece like Emily in Paris. Anyway, on
today's show, we've already talked about the movie Blink twice
once this week. If you haven't listened to an episode,
we will link in the show notes. That is a
new movie co written and directed by Zoe Kravatz, starring
(02:59):
Channing Tatum. Everyone in you found him Hot at It
it's interesting. I don't think that's what. I don't think
that was meant to be the takeaway.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I found him hard until I did it, and I think,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I Volta wrote a very scape saying that the movie
is too obsessed with Channing Tatum.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I did read that, and I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Now, I don't think that was the semicry anyway. So
we're not going to get into spoilers of the movie,
but you know, they have been very open about the
fact that there is a big plot twist towards the end,
and it is the kind of movie that as soon
as this plot twist comes out, you're like, oh my god,
now I can see it. But I didn't know before.
And as soon as we left the theater, we literally
just watched it and we were processing the plot twist,
(03:37):
and you said.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I cannot wait to watch it again.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Which was so weird because I was like, I'm going
to need a moment to not live through the intensity
and the graphic nature of this movie again. But you
immediately wanted to watch it again because you wanted to
watch it knowing the twist and seeing all of the little.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
One of those movies that like when you watch it
the second time, you're like, oh, that makes sense now,
Oh that's why that happened. I love that second time watch.
I feel like the second time watch sometimes is a
bit better than the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, sometimes it's a whole different movie. So in this episode,
we're gonna get into the movies with the biggest plot
twist that made us want to immediately watch the movie
again because it was a completely different story. And no,
we're not doing the sixth sense? What A doing? My secret?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Now I see dead.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
People because I feel like that's the golden standard. You
watch that back again, you're like, oh, of course he's
not talking to anyone because he's dead. Spoiler alert from
a movie that came out twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Okay, I want to go first. It's one of those
movies that I'm not obsessed with, but I feel like
I had to include it because I actually did watch
it twice. I went into cinema watched it, and then
the week a week later, I went back into cinema
and watched it again. It was don't worry, darling, all
of you wivees. We men. We ask a lot, and
(04:53):
you see, we asked for strength food at home, A house, clean,
and discretion above all else. Boys and their toys unless
we know they're getting work done.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Welcome the Victory Project. We're all here because we believe
in the mission. What are we doing changing the world?
What are we doing changing the over?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
The one thing they ask of us is to stay here.
Do you even know what the Vituy project actually is?
Have you ever asked you please, what's actually happening stocking Dallas?
What if this place is dangerous?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Wow? I love that in all of the craziness of
the press tour for that movie, that that that you
went back and watched it again for the art.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I hated the press to don't worry Darling, because I
think it made people like not go see the movie
or hate the movie.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Made people go see the movie, maybe not appreciate it,
like everyone was just looking for drama, But I think
it made people go because they were invested in like
the hype that this drama had caused.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yes, so okay, are we allowed to talk about spoilers
in the segment?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, guys, We're gonna go in on spoilers for some
of these movies. So I think it might have been
out for a long time. Both of mine yours has
been out like a fairly recent come if you haven't
seen it, come on, So don't worry, darling.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's a movie. It has like massive, massive cast. It
has Olivia Wilde who also directed Florence Pugh, Harry Styles.
Haven't seen him since I gonna lie, not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He just went back to singing, which is what he
does best.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Is what he does best. So the movie is about
kind of like it's set in the I want to
say sixties, and it's about very like traditional roles like
gorgeous husbands, gorgeous wives. The husband's leave for work, the
wives clean the house, the husband's come back, they have
amazing sex, and they do it all again the next day.
The viewer finds out halfway through the film that it's
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all a ruse. It's actually a simulation that the wives undergo.
They're put into the simulation that the men have kind
of ticked a box to agree that they want to
go into the simulation, so the men know what's happening.
So that's like the biggest twist of the movie. So
I watched that and I was like, decent twist. I
love a decent twist. It made me want to watch
(07:08):
it again. And when I watched it again, I was
kind of looking for signs of how the audience was
kind of like shown that they were in a simulation
before they actually did the big reveal. And some of
the things I found out when I was watching it
the first time was like Florence p would like rub
her eyes a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes, because her eyes are being held open.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Her eyes are being held open. Oh, it's very creepy
if you don't like eye stuff. I don't like avoid
that their eyes are being open and they're forced to
watch kind of like a hypnotism film that's on repeat.
And you also see clips of the film being played
during them being in the simulation, which is also like
a key. Also, there's this part where she's looking at
an aeroplane flying across the sky and the airplane kind
(07:49):
of goes wobbly, which I think was like a glitch.
Like there's a few glitchy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Moments pitching in the background the Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
There's a time where like she's breaking eggs and there's
nothing in the shell, like it's empty shell. So it's
like the simulation they forgot to like make that part
real or they didn't expect her to break eggs and
then suddenly she's like, go on this rampage of breaking eggs.
There's also this character who's played by Land named Deb
and she's always pregnant. Yeah, but she's pregnant throughout the
whole movie, to the point where like Olivia Wild's character
(08:17):
tells Florence pe like, oh, if you don't remember her,
that's Deb. She's always pregnant one And I'm like, oh,
they tell us, they tell us that there's.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Something wrong in it, and I just did you actually
think it was a better movie the second time around?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I appreciated it more the second time around.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's interesting because the reason that some of these movies
work and some don't for TV shows as well, is
that to have a twist, you can't just be like ha,
you never knew who it was and it's this person, Like,
that's not a twist, that's just you plucking something out
do crap exactly, just plucking at some Gossip Girl crap
of just saying, I guess dance gossip Girl and everyone
being like that's factually impossible. Like my twist is when
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you look back and you go Oh my god, it
was in front. They were telling me the time. They're
like slapping me across the face with it, but I
didn't pick it up.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Gossip Girl is such a good example of it going
wrong because the writers didn't know who they wanted gossip
Girl to be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, that's the thing. You've got to set it up
from like real lies as well. Well my pick for that.
I immediately, Oh, you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Mean this isn't just my podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean this is old school because when I was
a teenager, I became obsessed with making sure that I
had watched all of the classic movies that I either
hadn't been alive or it was too young to go
to the cinema when they came out very different, I
was really cool. So I probably went to Blockbuster and
picked up this DVD, and when it finished, I had to,
you know, set it back to the beginning. And that
(09:33):
movie is fight Club. I want you to hit me
as hard as you can. Why how much can you
know about yourself? You've never been in a fight.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
This is your life and it's ending one minute at
a time. I prayed for a different life, and this
is how I met Tyler.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Dirty gentlemen welcome to fight Club.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The first rule of fight Club is wow night, you
do not talk about fight Club.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Fight Club is such a good pick, but you know
what it's stressed about spoiling it for everyone, like our
produce it to listen just Tommy, she hasn't seen it
and today right rather this podcast did not come out,
then spoil fight Club for you or the audience.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
If you haven't watched Fight Club by now, you haven't
got it together, and I think you'll never will. So
I think we have the right to spoilt.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So fight Club when it came out in the nineties
was such a huge deal, not just because it was
just a critically acclaimed movie and Brad Pitt was super
hot in it, is that it had a really incredible twist.
So Edward NORTONIZII character, he's a nameless character, the narrator
of the movie, and he his life is like off
the rails and really pathetic and awful, and he meets
(10:40):
this really cool, amazing, charismatic, wildly violent guy called Tyler
played by Brad Pitt.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Tyler is like what Brad Pitt should be in.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And they connect, they move in together, they form this
fight Club and you know all this other crazy stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's basically like they express that men need to get
their like rage out in some way, so they gather
all these like random men and they just end up
fighting each other, and the men love it, like it's
not like they're.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Forcing them to beat this shit each other, and they
love it. And then they sort of build up this
kind of secret society that does other things besides by
each other.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And that's why the quote comes.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
The first rule of fight club is you do not
talk about fight club. Second rule of fight club is
you do not talk about fight club. So as it
goes on, things escalate to a very extreme level, and
you think that Tyler has kind of settled this stuff
up for Edward Norton's character, and Tila is revealed in
the very final moments that Tyler never exists.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Sad Pitt has never been in this movie.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He is a figment of the narrator's imagination and he
has manifested him after he had a mental break and
he created Tyler as the perfect idea of himself. And
as you go back through the movie, you're like, no
one else in the movie sees Tyler. They're all treating
Edward Norton, like he's the head of this organization. He
can't understand why because he is, but he thinks it's Tyler.
(12:03):
He thinks that Tyler's having sex with Helena Bononcartan's character,
and it turns out to be him, and it's all
of a sudden, all the pieces come together and you're like, yeah,
no one talks to Tyler, no one looks at Tyler.
They're all looking at him throughout the movie.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
After that, there have been heaps of movies that had
done the like fake imaginary person or death. So I've
seen all of those. Yeah, but even when I watch
fire Club, I didn't catch on and I gasped the
minute like it was real that he was really.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And even though like if you haven't seen it, and
maybe we have just spoiled a little bit of it
for you, but it's been around for a long time,
it's still go and watch it because it holds up
even knowing the twists. But this is why I always
say to people and they're like, I haven't seen those
movies and it's too late. I'm like, it's you know,
it's not too late. It's readily available for you to
watch and these classic movies make up the foundation of
all the other movies and TV shows and now tiktoks
(12:47):
that you watch. So if you watch the original, then
you have the building blocks and also Brad Pitt's abs
And this is Brad Pitt was problematic.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He was just hot.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah. The movie I want to talk about is Everything
Everywhere All at once.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, a classic classic which we love. This is Wang.
Are you with us?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I am paying attention.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Now. You may only see a pile ver seas, but
I see a story.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I can see where this story is going.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It does not look good.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What's severely I'm not.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Your husband, I'm another vusion. If I'm from another universe,
I'm here because we need your help. Very busy today.
I'll try to help you. Across the multiverse. I've seen
thousands of evolence. You can access a lot of the
memories of their emotions. Even if this girls, God, there's.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
A great evil to the many verses.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Maybe your only chance.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Of stopping it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Very hard to explain.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Go go on.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Okay, So this one's a bit different where there isn't
a twist, and it's not one of those movies where
when you watch again, you kind of find out more details,
like there are like hidden messages. They do a lot
of odes to different movies across like Timeline. There's a
lot of timelines in this as well. I'm explaining it
really great so far, so Everything Everywhere, All at One
stars Michelle Who. It is a movie where the reason
(14:32):
I wanted to watch it over and over again was
because I took a different life lesson out of it
every time.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Like, so I watched it the first time and I
kind of had a bit of an emotional breakdown, Like
I started crying a lot. And it was only at
the end, like when the credits started rolling, I just
started sobbing.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I mean, that's what a good movie will do to you.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, it was nine PM and I was sobbing and
I just tied. Probably a lot was going on, and
I had to take myself for a walk, which I'm
lucky we live in the city because I just had
to walk around Darling Harbor because there was like lights
and stuff, so it was fine, it was a safe walk.
It like really took it out of me. It made
me feel like a sort of emotion that I've never
felt from a movie before. And then I watched it
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the second time, and it made me really show appreciation
and love for my mom. And if you haven't watched it,
maybe I guess I can't spoil it because I haven't
really said anything because I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She couldn't spoil it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And I think they do the mom daughter dynamic relationship
so well in that film that I only experienced it
the second time watching it, And the third time I
watched it was after I've gone through a breakup and
like that just like healed me from a breakup, and
I'm like, it's so weird. Like every time I watched
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this film. It's a long film, a lot goes on,
it's quite tragic, it's super funny, but it's done brilliantly.
It won Oscars, and every time I watch it, depending
on what phase of life I'm in, it teaches me
a new lesson. Coming up next, we have one more
brilliant recommendation for a movie that you have to watch
the second time.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I went through a lot trying to pick the second one,
because I do love one of my favorite genres is
movies that have a big surprise reveal at the end.
But I had to go into this one just because
of how cleverly it was done, how much of an
impact it has. And that is Jordan Peel's twenty seventeen
horror movie get Out.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You got your two rush ship? Do you have your theater?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Do you have your cozy clothes? God? What did they know?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm black?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Should they? You might wanna? You know, mom and dad,
my black boyfriend will be coming up this weekend. I
just don't want you to be shocked. But he's a
black man.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I ain't never seen you like this before. Bru meet
badly taking road. Don't go back on, Boosie, come back
and get your damn pants up to your damn stomach.
So how long has this been going on?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
This thing?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
We hired Georgina and Walter to help care for my
parents and they died. I couldn't bear to let them go. Ah,
great one. When you said Jordan Peel, I was like,
she could literally mention any.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Of this movie. Yeah, and these obviously got a lot
of movies that have this whole idea of her. And also,
like we mentioned the sixth sense of the top, but
obviously that's what Emma Charmalan has become famous for, is
those twist endings some of the lands, some of them don't.
But I think in particular with like Get Out, it
just was the way it was done was so clever
because with his movies, like you know there's a twist coming,
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So to still have the audience be so invested in
the movie even though you know you're being set up
for it already, I think is really interesting. And again
some spoilers coming. Is about Rose played by Alison Williams,
who is a white woman and she's taking her black boyfriend,
Chris played by Daniel Kluha.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Daniel klewis brilliant, so brilliant. Williams like, I loved her
and girl, she's my fair crash.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh yeah. And also when you kind of know the
plot twisted this, people like was she just on girls
to set her up for this movie? So that you really,
oh my god, that's so true that just the long
con of everyone kind of getting her to know is
the neurotic Marni, But she's like a really good girl,
and she's so type A and she's like believes in
love and la la la. So when she comes on to.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
This is what happened to Marni after Hannah didn't want
her to raise a baby.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, one d P. There's a continuality line here that
no one has disproven yet. So Rose, you know, it
comes across really lovely and sweet. And she's taking a
boyfriend to meet her parents and he's like, have you
told them that I'm black? And she's like, no one care.
No one's going to care. And what's interesting, as they're
driving to the house, they get pulled over by the police,
and you know, he's asking Chris for his license, and
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Rose gets really defensive and she's like, we're not doing
anything wrong. He doesn't need a license, he doesn't need this,
he doesn't need that. And at the time, when before
you know what's happening, you're thinking, like, this is a
white woman who was so aware of police brutality against
people of color, and she's standing up for a boyfriend
and she was like, you don't have to give me
a license, And she has the privilege of being a
white woman to be able to say that with safety
to a police officer, and you're like, that's really interesting.
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And then afterwards, when you find out what happened, you're like,
she's not protecting him at all. She just didn't want
to pay a trail of anyone knowing that his license
and his car had been on that road before. Because
what happens is they get to the house. Things are
a bit weird. It's a bit weird, especially because they
still have like just it's all white people with like
black staff. I remember working at the house.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's weird because it like literally was so messed up
that they just had black stuff. Yes, but like on
top of that, you just had watching that scene, you
just felt very uneasy, and you don't know why you're
feeling uneasy. It's like the conversations he's having with her
family members and stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And it's that moment of just like Chris is starting
to realize something is really wrong. He doesn't know what.
And then he gets to the point in this kind
of like beautiful house and family in this like a
supposedly very loving girlfriend, he gets some one he's like,
I just want to go, I just want to go.
We're going, And then he's like she's trying to get
the keys. This scene plays in my head all the time,
that moment where she's like I'm trying can't find my
count find He's like, give me the keys, give me
the keys, give me the keys, and all of a sudden,
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Alison Williams's face just completely changes and you realize that
she's in on it, and she has been luring black
men home to her family's house for years, and they're
taking their bodies and putting old white people's minds in
them so they can have a new lease on life.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's so creepy. It's so freaking creepy. It's so scary.
And Jordan Peel is like brilliant at these kind of movies.
I had his movie Nope that also starts technically, I
did the same thing. I watched it immediately straight after.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, you have to. It's because it's a completely different
movie like get Out, all of a sudden, even though
you know there's a twist coming. I went so the movies.
I went to the premiere, and then a week later
I went with friends to see in the cinema again
and paid for another ticket because I was like, to
my friends, you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Couldn't do it, get it out because it was too scary.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Of course, but I was like, you have to see
this movie, so I'm going to get us tickets. But
also I want to see it to get in the
cinema and like watch it with the knowledge and see
the different version of this movie, which you do, because
it's the way Rose talks at the beginning that you
can see she's setting it up. It's the way the
police scene where you realize what she's doing. It's the
different way people are looking at each other in the houses,
and the different clues. There's so many clues, so I
(20:53):
feel like that's a movie too. When you watch her
back with a different lens, it still has the horror element,
it still has those racial undertones, but you can just
see how, all of a sudden, instead of everyone just
being suspicious, everyone looks like a full blown villain.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.
If you love the weekend watch section of The Spill
and you've missed out on any obviously, go back and listen.
But we also have been recording it on site at
mom and Mia. We will link that piece in our
show notes for you to take a little wonder. Otherwise
we will see you back here in your podcast speed
at three pm on Monday.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Bye bye.
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on. Hello spillers, this is Laura dropping in
your feed to say that it's a public holiday in
Australia today, so we are not releasing a new episode,
but we did not want to leave you hanging and
let you miss out on a day of the spill
(00:31):
so instead we are re sharing one of our favorite
episodes from the last year. So this episode is the
Movies you Have to Watch Twice, a very fun, interesting, shocking,
deep dive into the movies that have shocked us to
our core all because their plot twists and like the
big reveals at the end were so unexpected. And as
(00:51):
you watch these movies, you can see them building to
the plot twist. You can see the clues that have
been smattered through, you can see the little Easter eggs
and secret messages that have been hidden. So you really
do have to watch these movies twice in order to
see the full reveal. So we do get into quite
a few spoilery pot twists in here, but they're all
very kind of movies that I'm sure you've seen, and
(01:12):
their movies so cleverly core after that, you'll just want
to hit the rewine button every time you watch them.
So please enjoy the movies you have to watch twice
from mom and me O. Welcome to the spill your
daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney and I'm m Burnham.
Happy Friday. I was busy forming on the ship. How
(01:34):
long are we going to talk about that? You are
mopping the decks. I would not know how to do that.
I have no kind of seafaring skills except I'm a
really strong swimmer. I'm a slow but strong swimmer. I'm like, oh,
I'm like a porpoise breaststroke only I've had so many
messages from spillers wanting to know our thoughts, and Emily
in Paris, because obviously I made such a big deal
about flying to Queensland to watch the screeners with my sister.
(01:57):
Then they gave us the first three and I really
hyped up our response. But then I was away for
when part one of season four came out.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I have a confession.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You haven't watched it, Well, you're gonna have to watch
it because the second part's coming out soon. And I
want us to do a whole, broodly, honest review. Kas
and I have so much.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I feel like the reason why I haven't watched it,
and I think you will respect that, is because I
haven't been in the right headspace. Und I've been craving
very deep, serious stuff right now, and I feel like
when you're craving one type of genre, you can't just
like switch your mind to watch the other.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You need to make a bit of an event of
Emily in Paris, and then when part two of season
four comes out, you need to watch the whole thing
so we can do an episode on it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I am telling you right now, I am going to
be watching it on my phone on my walk home.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Okay, but a few issues. One you're definitely gonna get
hit by car, and two that is not the way
you experience a masterpiece like Emily in Paris. Anyway, on
today's show, we've already talked about the movie Blink twice
once this week. If you haven't listened to an episode,
we will link in the show notes. That is a
new movie co written and directed by Zoe Kravatz, starring
(02:59):
Channing Tatum. Everyone in you found him Hot at It
it's interesting. I don't think that's what. I don't think
that was meant to be the takeaway.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I found him hard until I did it, and I think,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I Volta wrote a very scape saying that the movie
is too obsessed with Channing Tatum.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I did read that, and I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Now, I don't think that was the semicry anyway. So
we're not going to get into spoilers of the movie,
but you know, they have been very open about the
fact that there is a big plot twist towards the end,
and it is the kind of movie that as soon
as this plot twist comes out, you're like, oh my god,
now I can see it. But I didn't know before.
And as soon as we left the theater, we literally
just watched it and we were processing the plot twist,
(03:37):
and you said.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I cannot wait to watch it again.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Which was so weird because I was like, I'm going
to need a moment to not live through the intensity
and the graphic nature of this movie again. But you
immediately wanted to watch it again because you wanted to
watch it knowing the twist and seeing all of the little.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
One of those movies that like when you watch it
the second time, you're like, oh, that makes sense now,
Oh that's why that happened. I love that second time watch.
I feel like the second time watch sometimes is a
bit better than the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, sometimes it's a whole different movie. So in this episode,
we're gonna get into the movies with the biggest plot
twist that made us want to immediately watch the movie
again because it was a completely different story. And no,
we're not doing the sixth sense? What A doing? My secret?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Now I see dead.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
People because I feel like that's the golden standard. You
watch that back again, you're like, oh, of course he's
not talking to anyone because he's dead. Spoiler alert from
a movie that came out twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Okay, I want to go first. It's one of those
movies that I'm not obsessed with, but I feel like
I had to include it because I actually did watch
it twice. I went into cinema watched it, and then
the week a week later, I went back into cinema
and watched it again. It was don't worry, darling, all
of you wivees. We men. We ask a lot, and
(04:53):
you see, we asked for strength food at home, A house, clean,
and discretion above all else. Boys and their toys unless
we know they're getting work done.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Welcome the Victory Project. We're all here because we believe
in the mission. What are we doing changing the world?
What are we doing changing the over?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
The one thing they ask of us is to stay here.
Do you even know what the Vituy project actually is?
Have you ever asked you please, what's actually happening stocking Dallas?
What if this place is dangerous?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Wow? I love that in all of the craziness of
the press tour for that movie, that that that you
went back and watched it again for the art.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I hated the press to don't worry Darling, because I
think it made people like not go see the movie
or hate the movie.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Made people go see the movie, maybe not appreciate it,
like everyone was just looking for drama, But I think
it made people go because they were invested in like
the hype that this drama had caused.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yes, so okay, are we allowed to talk about spoilers
in the segment?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, guys, We're gonna go in on spoilers for some
of these movies. So I think it might have been
out for a long time. Both of mine yours has
been out like a fairly recent come if you haven't
seen it, come on, So don't worry, darling.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's a movie. It has like massive, massive cast. It
has Olivia Wilde who also directed Florence Pugh, Harry Styles.
Haven't seen him since I gonna lie, not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He just went back to singing, which is what he
does best.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Is what he does best. So the movie is about
kind of like it's set in the I want to
say sixties, and it's about very like traditional roles like
gorgeous husbands, gorgeous wives. The husband's leave for work, the
wives clean the house, the husband's come back, they have
amazing sex, and they do it all again the next day.
The viewer finds out halfway through the film that it's
(06:47):
all a ruse. It's actually a simulation that the wives undergo.
They're put into the simulation that the men have kind
of ticked a box to agree that they want to
go into the simulation, so the men know what's happening.
So that's like the biggest twist of the movie. So
I watched that and I was like, decent twist. I
love a decent twist. It made me want to watch
(07:08):
it again. And when I watched it again, I was
kind of looking for signs of how the audience was
kind of like shown that they were in a simulation
before they actually did the big reveal. And some of
the things I found out when I was watching it
the first time was like Florence p would like rub
her eyes a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes, because her eyes are being held open.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Her eyes are being held open. Oh, it's very creepy
if you don't like eye stuff. I don't like avoid
that their eyes are being open and they're forced to
watch kind of like a hypnotism film that's on repeat.
And you also see clips of the film being played
during them being in the simulation, which is also like
a key. Also, there's this part where she's looking at
an aeroplane flying across the sky and the airplane kind
(07:49):
of goes wobbly, which I think was like a glitch.
Like there's a few glitchy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Moments pitching in the background the Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
There's a time where like she's breaking eggs and there's
nothing in the shell, like it's empty shell. So it's
like the simulation they forgot to like make that part
real or they didn't expect her to break eggs and
then suddenly she's like, go on this rampage of breaking eggs.
There's also this character who's played by Land named Deb
and she's always pregnant. Yeah, but she's pregnant throughout the
whole movie, to the point where like Olivia Wild's character
(08:17):
tells Florence pe like, oh, if you don't remember her,
that's Deb. She's always pregnant one And I'm like, oh,
they tell us, they tell us that there's.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Something wrong in it, and I just did you actually
think it was a better movie the second time around?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I appreciated it more the second time around.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's interesting because the reason that some of these movies
work and some don't for TV shows as well, is
that to have a twist, you can't just be like ha,
you never knew who it was and it's this person, Like,
that's not a twist, that's just you plucking something out
do crap exactly, just plucking at some Gossip Girl crap
of just saying, I guess dance gossip Girl and everyone
being like that's factually impossible. Like my twist is when
(08:53):
you look back and you go Oh my god, it
was in front. They were telling me the time. They're
like slapping me across the face with it, but I
didn't pick it up.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Gossip Girl is such a good example of it going
wrong because the writers didn't know who they wanted gossip
Girl to be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, that's the thing. You've got to set it up
from like real lies as well. Well my pick for that.
I immediately, Oh, you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Mean this isn't just my podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean this is old school because when I was
a teenager, I became obsessed with making sure that I
had watched all of the classic movies that I either
hadn't been alive or it was too young to go
to the cinema when they came out very different, I
was really cool. So I probably went to Blockbuster and
picked up this DVD, and when it finished, I had to,
you know, set it back to the beginning. And that
(09:33):
movie is fight Club. I want you to hit me
as hard as you can. Why how much can you
know about yourself? You've never been in a fight.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
This is your life and it's ending one minute at
a time. I prayed for a different life, and this
is how I met Tyler.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Dirty gentlemen welcome to fight Club.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The first rule of fight Club is wow night, you
do not talk about fight Club.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Fight Club is such a good pick, but you know
what it's stressed about spoiling it for everyone, like our
produce it to listen just Tommy, she hasn't seen it
and today right rather this podcast did not come out,
then spoil fight Club for you or the audience.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
If you haven't watched Fight Club by now, you haven't
got it together, and I think you'll never will. So
I think we have the right to spoilt.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So fight Club when it came out in the nineties
was such a huge deal, not just because it was
just a critically acclaimed movie and Brad Pitt was super
hot in it, is that it had a really incredible twist.
So Edward NORTONIZII character, he's a nameless character, the narrator
of the movie, and he his life is like off
the rails and really pathetic and awful, and he meets
(10:40):
this really cool, amazing, charismatic, wildly violent guy called Tyler
played by Brad Pitt.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Tyler is like what Brad Pitt should be in.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And they connect, they move in together, they form this
fight Club and you know all this other crazy stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's basically like they express that men need to get
their like rage out in some way, so they gather
all these like random men and they just end up
fighting each other, and the men love it, like it's
not like they're.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Forcing them to beat this shit each other, and they
love it. And then they sort of build up this
kind of secret society that does other things besides by
each other.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And that's why the quote comes.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
The first rule of fight club is you do not
talk about fight club. Second rule of fight club is
you do not talk about fight club. So as it
goes on, things escalate to a very extreme level, and
you think that Tyler has kind of settled this stuff
up for Edward Norton's character, and Tila is revealed in
the very final moments that Tyler never exists.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Sad Pitt has never been in this movie.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He is a figment of the narrator's imagination and he
has manifested him after he had a mental break and
he created Tyler as the perfect idea of himself. And
as you go back through the movie, you're like, no
one else in the movie sees Tyler. They're all treating
Edward Norton, like he's the head of this organization. He
can't understand why because he is, but he thinks it's Tyler.
(12:03):
He thinks that Tyler's having sex with Helena Bononcartan's character,
and it turns out to be him, and it's all
of a sudden, all the pieces come together and you're like, yeah,
no one talks to Tyler, no one looks at Tyler.
They're all looking at him throughout the movie.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
After that, there have been heaps of movies that had
done the like fake imaginary person or death. So I've
seen all of those. Yeah, but even when I watch
fire Club, I didn't catch on and I gasped the
minute like it was real that he was really.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And even though like if you haven't seen it, and
maybe we have just spoiled a little bit of it
for you, but it's been around for a long time,
it's still go and watch it because it holds up
even knowing the twists. But this is why I always
say to people and they're like, I haven't seen those
movies and it's too late. I'm like, it's you know,
it's not too late. It's readily available for you to
watch and these classic movies make up the foundation of
all the other movies and TV shows and now tiktoks
(12:47):
that you watch. So if you watch the original, then
you have the building blocks and also Brad Pitt's abs
And this is Brad Pitt was problematic.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He was just hot.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah. The movie I want to talk about is Everything
Everywhere All at once.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, a classic classic which we love. This is Wang.
Are you with us?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I am paying attention.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Now. You may only see a pile ver seas, but
I see a story.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I can see where this story is going.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It does not look good.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What's severely I'm not.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Your husband, I'm another vusion. If I'm from another universe,
I'm here because we need your help. Very busy today.
I'll try to help you. Across the multiverse. I've seen
thousands of evolence. You can access a lot of the
memories of their emotions. Even if this girls, God, there's.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
A great evil to the many verses.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Maybe your only chance.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Of stopping it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Very hard to explain.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Go go on.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Okay, So this one's a bit different where there isn't
a twist, and it's not one of those movies where
when you watch again, you kind of find out more details,
like there are like hidden messages. They do a lot
of odes to different movies across like Timeline. There's a
lot of timelines in this as well. I'm explaining it
really great so far, so Everything Everywhere, All at One
stars Michelle Who. It is a movie where the reason
(14:32):
I wanted to watch it over and over again was
because I took a different life lesson out of it
every time.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Like, so I watched it the first time and I
kind of had a bit of an emotional breakdown, Like
I started crying a lot. And it was only at
the end, like when the credits started rolling, I just
started sobbing.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I mean, that's what a good movie will do to you.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, it was nine PM and I was sobbing and
I just tied. Probably a lot was going on, and
I had to take myself for a walk, which I'm
lucky we live in the city because I just had
to walk around Darling Harbor because there was like lights
and stuff, so it was fine, it was a safe walk.
It like really took it out of me. It made
me feel like a sort of emotion that I've never
felt from a movie before. And then I watched it
(15:12):
the second time, and it made me really show appreciation
and love for my mom. And if you haven't watched it,
maybe I guess I can't spoil it because I haven't
really said anything because I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She couldn't spoil it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And I think they do the mom daughter dynamic relationship
so well in that film that I only experienced it
the second time watching it, And the third time I
watched it was after I've gone through a breakup and
like that just like healed me from a breakup, and
I'm like, it's so weird. Like every time I watched
(15:45):
this film. It's a long film, a lot goes on,
it's quite tragic, it's super funny, but it's done brilliantly.
It won Oscars, and every time I watch it, depending
on what phase of life I'm in, it teaches me
a new lesson. Coming up next, we have one more
brilliant recommendation for a movie that you have to watch
the second time.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I went through a lot trying to pick the second one,
because I do love one of my favorite genres is
movies that have a big surprise reveal at the end.
But I had to go into this one just because
of how cleverly it was done, how much of an
impact it has. And that is Jordan Peel's twenty seventeen
horror movie get Out.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You got your two rush ship? Do you have your theater?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Do you have your cozy clothes? God? What did they know?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm black?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Should they? You might wanna? You know, mom and dad,
my black boyfriend will be coming up this weekend. I
just don't want you to be shocked. But he's a
black man.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I ain't never seen you like this before. Bru meet
badly taking road. Don't go back on, Boosie, come back
and get your damn pants up to your damn stomach.
So how long has this been going on?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
This thing?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
We hired Georgina and Walter to help care for my
parents and they died. I couldn't bear to let them go. Ah,
great one. When you said Jordan Peel, I was like,
she could literally mention any.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Of this movie. Yeah, and these obviously got a lot
of movies that have this whole idea of her. And also,
like we mentioned the sixth sense of the top, but
obviously that's what Emma Charmalan has become famous for, is
those twist endings some of the lands, some of them don't.
But I think in particular with like Get Out, it
just was the way it was done was so clever
because with his movies, like you know there's a twist coming,
(17:34):
So to still have the audience be so invested in
the movie even though you know you're being set up
for it already, I think is really interesting. And again
some spoilers coming. Is about Rose played by Alison Williams,
who is a white woman and she's taking her black boyfriend,
Chris played by Daniel Kluha.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Daniel klewis brilliant, so brilliant. Williams like, I loved her
and girl, she's my fair crash.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh yeah. And also when you kind of know the
plot twisted this, people like was she just on girls
to set her up for this movie? So that you really,
oh my god, that's so true that just the long
con of everyone kind of getting her to know is
the neurotic Marni, But she's like a really good girl,
and she's so type A and she's like believes in
love and la la la. So when she comes on to.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
This is what happened to Marni after Hannah didn't want
her to raise a baby.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, one d P. There's a continuality line here that
no one has disproven yet. So Rose, you know, it
comes across really lovely and sweet. And she's taking a
boyfriend to meet her parents and he's like, have you
told them that I'm black? And she's like, no one care.
No one's going to care. And what's interesting, as they're
driving to the house, they get pulled over by the police,
and you know, he's asking Chris for his license, and
(18:36):
Rose gets really defensive and she's like, we're not doing
anything wrong. He doesn't need a license, he doesn't need this,
he doesn't need that. And at the time, when before
you know what's happening, you're thinking, like, this is a
white woman who was so aware of police brutality against
people of color, and she's standing up for a boyfriend
and she was like, you don't have to give me
a license, And she has the privilege of being a
white woman to be able to say that with safety
to a police officer, and you're like, that's really interesting.
(18:57):
And then afterwards, when you find out what happened, you're like,
she's not protecting him at all. She just didn't want
to pay a trail of anyone knowing that his license
and his car had been on that road before. Because
what happens is they get to the house. Things are
a bit weird. It's a bit weird, especially because they
still have like just it's all white people with like
black staff. I remember working at the house.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's weird because it like literally was so messed up
that they just had black stuff. Yes, but like on
top of that, you just had watching that scene, you
just felt very uneasy, and you don't know why you're
feeling uneasy. It's like the conversations he's having with her
family members and stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And it's that moment of just like Chris is starting
to realize something is really wrong. He doesn't know what.
And then he gets to the point in this kind
of like beautiful house and family in this like a
supposedly very loving girlfriend, he gets some one he's like,
I just want to go, I just want to go.
We're going, And then he's like she's trying to get
the keys. This scene plays in my head all the time,
that moment where she's like I'm trying can't find my
count find He's like, give me the keys, give me
the keys, give me the keys, and all of a sudden,
(19:51):
Alison Williams's face just completely changes and you realize that
she's in on it, and she has been luring black
men home to her family's house for years, and they're
taking their bodies and putting old white people's minds in
them so they can have a new lease on life.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's so creepy. It's so freaking creepy. It's so scary.
And Jordan Peel is like brilliant at these kind of movies.
I had his movie Nope that also starts technically, I
did the same thing. I watched it immediately straight after.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, you have to. It's because it's a completely different
movie like get Out, all of a sudden, even though
you know there's a twist coming. I went so the movies.
I went to the premiere, and then a week later
I went with friends to see in the cinema again
and paid for another ticket because I was like, to
my friends, you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Couldn't do it, get it out because it was too scary.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Of course, but I was like, you have to see
this movie, so I'm going to get us tickets. But
also I want to see it to get in the
cinema and like watch it with the knowledge and see
the different version of this movie, which you do, because
it's the way Rose talks at the beginning that you
can see she's setting it up. It's the way the
police scene where you realize what she's doing. It's the
different way people are looking at each other in the houses,
and the different clues. There's so many clues, so I
(20:53):
feel like that's a movie too. When you watch her
back with a different lens, it still has the horror element,
it still has those racial undertones, but you can just
see how, all of a sudden, instead of everyone just
being suspicious, everyone looks like a full blown villain.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.
If you love the weekend watch section of The Spill
and you've missed out on any obviously, go back and listen.
But we also have been recording it on site at
mom and Mia. We will link that piece in our
show notes for you to take a little wonder. Otherwise
we will see you back here in your podcast speed
at three pm on Monday.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Bye bye.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!