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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to
this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick
(00:31):
and today I'm joined by Tina Burg. Hello. Are we
passed saying your title? Now? Yeah, we don't need to
any more. The spillers heard the discourse. We're no, I'm kidding.
I'm pop culture and Social editor here at Mamma Mia. Yes.
So Tina is filling here today because poor Emily Vernon
is a little bit under the weather, wishing her thoughts
and prayers. But it's a good thing you're here because
we have two areas of your special interest to discuss today.
(00:54):
One of those is that the greatest reality show of
twenty twenty five has come to an end. We're talking
about the Cardi b trial. We need to go through
the biggest moments from that because it was so unhinged.
And also we have the first trailer from what has
shaping up to be the most controversial movie of the year.
To get into that. We haven't shared our thoughts. We
might fight, we might cry who would not choose friendships
(01:16):
will end, but also boss manager and friendship bringing that up?
Please don't tell people I'm a boss. I'm calling young
anyway you have I actually don't even know what you're
going to bring it up? You have something really important,
some breaking news that you need to share with the spillers. Yes,
I'm sorry, but I have, like all my special interests
in just making news headlines. One Lewis Pullman, don't know
(01:36):
if you saw I saw in Venice Film Festival. Guys,
if you haven't heard, we did a whole episode, go
check it out because we love that man and he's beautiful.
Can I just say, every time I see Lewis Pullman
making out with Kaya Gerber, those two gorgeous Nippo babies,
I just picture your face, Yes, because I know how
obsessed you are.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Justin Bieber playing in the background, that should be me?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Which one? They're both hot? I take either? I would
date either. Are they looking for a third? Just kidding
but also not kidding, not kidding? All right, what's your
other creepy interest this week? My delightful interest this week
is that the producer of the New Heights podcast, which
is Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey's podcast just got engaged.
And I just think that's so beautiful. And I know
(02:19):
that is not informational news that matters to anyone but me.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
But like, he's the producer of the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
He's known as Intern Brandon, but he's like kind of
like the monetious Warren and Tina Burke of the New
Heights podcast universe exactly. So we are the people behind
Laura Brodnick, so just as he is the people behind
Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey. Mon is our producer of
the Spills. She's amazing. And then he also though comes
(02:46):
in and does like the bit of the class clown
sometimes and that's where I come in. Yes, so I'm
going to skate right past the fact that you has
called me the Travis Kelcey little tree.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't want to be like the fancy boss one
that everyone loves.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Sorry, I would love to be the slightly dumber than
everyone else, hot yet charismatic person. So actually, yeah, you're
the Travis and Jason. And don't forget Jason was giving
Barbara Walters in his Tailor ste interview. He hasalistic integrity
during that Tailor Swift interview because I watched a few
of the clips back Jason Kelcey, he's sweating. I think
it's not lost on him that he is getting the
(03:19):
longest interview that anyone will ever have with Taylor Swift
ever again, because she doesn't do interviews and he gets
really nervous. Took it seriously. Yeah, if I interviewed Taylor Swift,
see you are jist. Tell me about sourdough. Wow, I'm
having a huge identity crisis. Thanks for bringing that up.
The third Kelsey brother, Laura Brodnick. The third Kelsey brother,
Laura Brodnick, and so their producer got engaged. It's lovely
(03:41):
to be engaged at the same time as your boss.
Is the story that I'm swinging today. So essentially, as
we know, the Taro reader that came into our office recently,
meeting my husband in December or January. So I don't
have any news to share currently, but I'd like to
tell the spillers to watch this space because I might
pull an Interurn brand and soon and come on the
pod and be like, guys, I'm engaged and announced you're engaged,
(04:01):
and that's my engagement. Wouldn't that be fun. First you
need to get engaged though, for this dynamic to play
out Ala Taylor Swift. Well, that could happen because as
we've prevy. Actually no, we've never said this on the
pod because why would anyone care. But when you and
I met at that Bridgeton premiere party years ago, the
over a year ago, one year, the psychic there told
(04:23):
me that I would soon be married to an Englishman.
And I have not seen that man, so I don't
want to say to any psychics listening that it's not real. Well,
when we got an a legend say it's not. What
I think is going to happen is that we are
going to follow the New Heights thing and you're going
to meet your englishman and get engaged and then exactly
two weeks later with a smaller engagement ring. And he
also proposed in the Ocean, I will get engaged two
(04:44):
weeks directly after you, and the world will celebrate our
dual engagements podcast history. Well, at least we've got a
content plan going forward. So wait, this New heightsman, he's
so non rescript Brandon. Yes, oh that poor boy, but
he's so fun. He like when they first started dating,
he would troll Travis on camera, so like they'd be
talking about something completely not related to Taylor Swift because
(05:05):
they've just started dating. And then Brandon would be sipping
from like an Aira's tour cup or he'd be where
the merch like he lives to troll his boss and
hello Dynamic. Wait, did Brandon get a full episode to
tell his engagement.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
No, not yet.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's just happened, so he might possibly make an appearance. Yes,
and I'm hoping that Taylor sends them a gift. She
loves sour though she loves pop tarts. I hope she
sends them a little something. Yeah, I mean it is.
I mean to engaged Bros On a Bros podcast, I
feel like they could pivot to a wedding podcast. Do
you When you and I talked about the tailor shift engagement,
speaking of that whole situation that unfolded just over a
(05:41):
week ago, was it I feel like we've just been
living with that news forever. Yes, speaking of that moment,
So you and I recorded our explainer on that like
just after the post had gone live, like the ink
on that Instagram post was still dry. Yes, And people
now think that they got engaged directly after the podcast. Yeah,
and you're a die hard swifty investigator, do you think
that's true. Well, okay, some of the evidence that people
(06:04):
are sharing is like, there's an indent in her hair
which looks like where a headphone could be. And I'm like, guys,
those are beach waves, beachway because they were looking at
the photo of podcasts and the photos from the engagement
and it looks like there's an indent in our hair.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, that's detective detective one.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know. The best detective work I saw is that
people were zooming in on the length of her manicure
and al and the manicure and then zooming on the
engagement photos and trying to see if the lengths matched up. Yeah. Well,
as we know, Travis's dad ed the Kelseys love to
do a tell all of their children it's really sweet.
But yeah, he kind of said it was around the time.
He didn't exactly say, but people took that married it
(06:41):
with the fact that there's some rogue friends of friends
of friends out there telling people that it was the
exact same day that during the two hour record, they
set up the flowers, they set up the archway.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And then they came out afterwards and got engaged, is.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
What page six reports. And it has come from people
who were like my friends of Florist and they said this,
so as if that flores wouldn't be underlock and key
after they delivered the flowers be thrown to a box
and locked and thrown to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah,
like that Floris isn't talking. No, so look, all signs
point to engaged after the pod. Yeah, would that work
for me after a long, hard day at work.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
No, I don't want to talk to anyone after this podcast.
I'm like emotionally spent. No one. No, I mean, no
one's asked me to marry them, so that situation has
not come up yet. But if the psychic is to
believe it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And soon I think we do a live spill recording.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What he can tell me, I will tell mon.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We will set up in the bushes like the tailorscope photographer,
and we will capture the whole event, right, Okay, little
have a content plan. Okay, well, Englishmen apply within I guess.
Congrats to Brandon was at the point of this. I
don't know his nondescript fiancee. Do we have her name?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Come on, I'm not Yea, his fiance seems lovely, she said, Yes,
I mean great, We know that much. Congrats to those kids.
Happy for them. Didn't know they existed till right now. Yes,
but they have inspired us. Stay tuned. So there is
a movie that we have been talking not just you
and I The Greater World has been worldwide discourse. A
movie that we have been talking about intensely since the
(08:08):
casting was announced and we had no further information, and
that is Emerald Fanelle's upcoming adaptation of the classic Bronte
novele Wathering Heights.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's how I felt this morning when I saw the trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes, because we did not know the trailer was coming
out today.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yees. So many months ago it was announced that Emerald Fanel,
the classic filmmaker. It sounds like I'm joking, but I
actually love Emerald finel movies. One of Steltburn, a movie
that just had us orders grasp when it came out.
Plus Promising Young Woman, which is one of my favorite
movies of the decade, and she won an Oscar for it.
There will be no Emerald Fanell slammed on this pod
unless this movie is bad, and then it's open slaughter
(08:44):
on her.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Then it's over.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yes, everyone was really excited because she writes these incredible
original screenplays and her mind just works some wonderful ways,
and she writes these really intense female protagonists. So everyone
was so excited to see, after promising young woman after Saltburn,
what she would do next. And so when she announced
she was doing an adaptation of Wathering Heights, I was
excited because I love the book and I love her
(09:06):
filmmaking take. But I was also a bit like, how
is it going to have the classic Fanelle touch on this?
So if anyone hasn't read the book, and I highly
recommend if you weren't made to read it in high school.
I mean I was a nerd and I read it
before Extension English. I was about to say, I did,
do you Extension English because that's where I read it. Yes.
Oh my god, nerds, Oh such nerds. We are such
nerds who have found our way onto this podcast. I
(09:27):
still have the energy of a high school or doing
Extension English. That's how I prope for every podcast. We do.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I know, I've seen it with your size sixteen.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay, that's that's the thing. The soon for another day,
and all my extensive notes. So the book was written
by Emily Bronte and published in eighteen forty seven. Was
originally published under her pen name Ellis Bell. It was
a whole situation. It tells us very torrid romance between
Kathy and Heathcliff. And when it was announced that Margot
Robbie would play Kathy and Jacob beer Laudie would play Heathcliff,
(09:57):
the people were not happy. Were you happy? I was flabbergasted,
really and I got called agist and I'll I'll say
it again. What did not explain? So I really love Margaret.
I'll love her to the end of my life. You know,
she is similar in age to me, so this is
not an age's comment. However, Catherine Earnshaw famously dies at
(10:19):
eighteen years of it. Yes, and that's a huge plot point,
A huge, huge plot point in the book. Sorry, should
I say spoiler alert for the people think? I mean,
the book's been out for one hundred years, been out
hundreds of years, and I do actually think you should
read it if you haven't before you watched the film,
watch any of the other film, watch the other film.
Adaptation has been a lot. I think it would really
like it's going to change the way people be the film,
and we can talk about that in a moment. But
(10:40):
Catherine famously eighteen year old woman, regardless of death towards
the end of the film, towards the end of the book,
eighteen years old, Muga Robbie at mid thirties, also a
blonde woman, famously a brunette woman in the books. Yes,
Sophie is one of Actually she's the out of all,
speaking for my people, my brunette ladies. She is like
the original, like classic kind of strong headed brunette character
(11:03):
that we all we all aspire to be. Yes, And
so watching a blonde takeover a brunette's role, actually, you're
right movie, and you know, like I love Margo so much.
And obviously that's just the initial casting reaction. That was
not a reaction to the trailers. That was a reaction
to nothing, just the news. It was like Barbie playing
Katherine Earnshaw was interesting. And I know that Margo's a talent.
(11:24):
I know that she can change everything about herself for
a role. I'm excited to see what she does. But
there was obviously a reaction to that, because you're like, well,
are you changing the story then to suit that's going
to be subversive?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Is it gonna be modern?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What's going to happen? Was the big reaction, and then
the obvious reaction to Jacob Alordie. Yes, we love Jacob
Alordie so much, but Heathcliff is described in the book
as being a dark skinned man, and until twenty eleven,
there were no adaptations that featured dark skinned men playing
the role of Heathcliff. Yes, that changed with a really
great adaptation in twenty eleven, and so for us to
(11:55):
kind of then go backwards to casting another white man
in the role, that obviously was something that had upset
a lot of people. And that's a I mean, it's
alluded to in kind of like a behind the scenes
he ate the book. Yeah, that his race has something
to do with like all the other things, treatments, his treatment,
the way he's treating, the way people view him in
society at the time, and so to either they've completely
missed that point of the story or they've completely cut
(12:18):
it out, and neither of those is great.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And neither of those is great.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And obviously when this casting was announced, we didn't know
anything else about what they were doing with the plot,
So yeah, it was an understandable thing for people to
be upset by it, and I agree that it was
the wrong decision to make. Yeah, because like there's other
character traits of Heathcliff, and Heathcliff anyone who doesn't hasn't
read the book or isn't across the story is the
ultimate kind of tortured romantic hero, like the He's the
(12:43):
original bad boy and from really mean sometimes. He is
the classic ectory every mordern aaptation you see of a
woman in a big love story falling in love with
like the tortured brewed man who treats her terribly, but
they're passionately in love like Heathcliff is the blueprint for that.
He is, and I have no doubt that Jacob Elodie
(13:04):
could play that kind of role. I just don't know
that we needed to cast Jacob Elordi in this role.
But it is very It's group right, Emerald Fanelle, It's
Margot Robbie is Jacob Aerlordi, Yeah, same cinematographer that they
used in Saltburn a lot of the same cast they
She does have that signature now of casting the same
people over and over. Yes, because obviously Jacob Lordie had
a brilliant cinematic turn in Saltburn. Who could forget the
(13:25):
bathtub scene. Margot Robbie produced Saltburn. She's in the mix.
She knows a hit movie when she sees it, like
she knows a movie that will get people talking. So
all that happened about up until now, we've only seen
a few set photos. So when you and I first
saw the wedding photos of Margot Robbie as Kathy, we
were actually quite into it. People were angry, but you
and I had the same thought, because we've got to
the point now where I feel like we share one mind. Yes,
(13:48):
your thoughts, and it's half Tailes Swift, half Buffy Trivia
and nothing else and no in between, and five percent
for work stuff and five percent for Lewis Pulmanettit's yeah,
so important. You and I saw that photo and we
had the same thought of like, it didn't look like
a wedding dress of the era of weathering heights were set.
It looks like almost like an eighties style wedding dress.
And then I got really excited because I thought that
(14:10):
she was modernizing Wathering Heights and I was actually here
for a big swing like that. Yes, but we've learned
that's not true.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
No, we've learned that's not true. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
The thing with the trailer is that, like and the
poster release now, is that we've seen the Wathering Heights
branding that she's gone for, and there are quote marks
around Wathering Heights, yeah, the poster and in the title card,
and so that kind of tells me, all I need
to know, you're doing something subversive, you're doing something different,
but then it is still a period drama. And so
I think the feeling a lot of people have is
does Emerald have the chops to pull off a story
(14:40):
that is subversive but not And that's what's stressed some
people out. Okay, so I was of that too, But
the trailer came out today. We all woke up to
the glorious news that the very first trailer for the
Wathering Heights adaptation was out in the world, and I
watched it with a tight cling of fear in my
chest of like, is this going to be good or bad?
What did you think of it, because this is the
(15:02):
first time we've seen like full shots of the characters.
We've seen scenes, we've seen costumes. It's the first time
I feel like we actually know what's happening. Yes, I
desperately want to see this movie. Yeah, I love I
loved the trailer. I have so many thoughts about whether
or not this is a Wathering Heights film, but I.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Really really loved the trailer. What did you think?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No, I loved it. It didn't make me think of
the book at all. No, which I actually love because again,
I feel like they're this stage, especially as we've had
this conversation so many times, remakes, reboots, sequels, all that
sort of thing. I'm really craving original cinema. And that
was mainly thought when I heard Emerald Fanell was doing this.
I was like, I know Wathering Heights so well, and
(15:40):
I've seen all the adaptations and they're great. But if
you're just going to go make another page for page
remake of this story we've seen a million times, then
what is the point. It's kind of like when they
remade Psycho shot for shot and I was like, what
who is it is? Just to see how well you
can copy someone else's film, almost a little bit with
(16:01):
nos Ferratu too, like I love Far but it is
a it's a shot for shot remake of the original,
and so I didn't want Emerald Fanel to do that.
And when I saw the trailer, it is so heightened.
It's like it's like more sexualized than the others.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So sexual. Why is someone fingering a fish? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, not a sentence I ever wanted to say on record,
Please do again in case people were like what sorry? What? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Please? Why was there someone putting a finger inside a
fish's mouth in ah, what are we doing? In the trailer?
The trailer, But there were so many like sexual things
in this trailer obviously, like he's doing up her bodice,
he goes to touch her tongue and.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He's like, do you want me to stop? And she's
like no.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And it's like hot, hot, hot hot. It's a hot, hot,
hot trailer and also a weird trailer those scenes. But
that's what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Now this has piqued my interests because I've gone, yes, okay,
you've gone off script, off manual. This is not a
faithful adaptation and now I need to see what you
did with it. Yes, that's what I saw someone say today,
like I can't believe we're witnessing in real time the
salt burnification of Wathering Heights. Yeah, and I was like,
sign me up for that movie. But also, like her
characters wearing sung got pink Sunglassunny's shot was the one
(17:11):
that got me because there's so much that's still you know,
a period dress here, and like the homes that they're in. Obviously,
like the opening shot of the Moors, I went, wait,
are we doing, Faithful? And then Charlie xcyx in my
headphones and I was like, oh, all right, let's let's
do this.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Emerald.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah. Remind of a time when every single classic like
Shakespearean story was being remade into a teen movie. And
I think the next way that that is taking these
very classic English stories that have like formed literature and
giving them these kind of rock star, sexy, messy makeovers.
I'm here for it, especially because you know, correct me
if I'm wrong. I don't believe smut was popular in
(17:49):
the eighteen hundreds the way it is today. I think
it was much more secret backdoor. But obviously weathering highs.
Very sexy subtext, very sexy and dark and brooding and
cruel and whatever, all mishmashed into one. But she's taking
it right and putting it in a modern context and going,
all right, let's get fucked up. Yeah, like the craze
(18:11):
of these people, of these characters make a fairy come
in noting sex. It's the smutty fairy wathering pote cross over.
I've always wanted, Well, that movie is coming out on
Valentine's Day of next year. We're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
We're so going to go.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It looks Valentine's Day watching this.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
What a nice Valentine's Day. But we will have met
our husbands by that's true. Our husbands will be seen,
they can hunch.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, love that for us, But like to me, I
don't mean to make everything in my life.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
About Jurassic World, the movie I hated the most this year.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
But the reason I say that is for me, Jurassic
World Rebirth. Had you called that movie something else, it
was just a dinosaur film, I might have enjoyed it
a lot more. But you add the name, you add
the brand, and you add the franchise to something, and
it heightens it for really big fans of that. I
love Weathering Heights is a book. But I think the
reason some people are getting so upset is that they
are like, this is Wathering Heights, How dare you do
this to just get because they're like, this doesn't feel
(19:06):
like it is about that book. It just feels like
you could have done anything else and made this movie.
But I actually don't. I think she's clearly right. She
took the inspiration and she's run with it. Yeah, and
so I want to see what happens. But I understand
why people are upset. I had my own upsets this year. Yeah,
if you're feeling distressed about this day, we hear you,
We see you. I didn't expect a through line from
the Jurassic Park franchise to Wuthering Heights, But that is
(19:26):
modern cinema for you. That is modern cine. Valentine's Day.
We've also posted the trailer. She said this the top.
We posted the trailer on the spill Instagram account. Have
a look, tell us what you think and yeah, bring
on the smart.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, bring it on.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So very sadly, except for the people involved, just for
the people who are watching it. Very Sadly, one of
the greatest reality shows of twenty twenty five has come
to an end, and that is a civil lawsuit that
was brought against musician Cardi B. This has been the
most fascinating thing to watch maybe all year for me.
I don't know, it was huge, huge news to me.
The tiktoks I was just like scrolling in bed every
(20:01):
night having a giggle while also acknowledging serious trucks. Well,
this is why we waited for it to be over,
because the thing is Cardi B was there was a
civil lawsuit against her from a security guard at a
doctor's office for an altercation that happened back in twenty
eighteen when Cardi B was pregnant with her first child.
She and offset now have three children since that happened.
(20:21):
So this has been going for a while. And as
much as the videos coming out were so funny and
they were all going viral, I sort of wanted to
wait till the trial was over because if she had
been found, if she had been found to have assaulted
that security guard and she was clear of all that,
it would have been a bit harder to you.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Know, a chat about the silliness.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, the court cases finished, Both of the women involved,
both Cardi B and the security guard who made the
allegations and sued her, came out and addressed reporters. Obviously,
security guard is putting in a plea to have it overturned.
But it's all kind of done and dusted now, so
now we can go back through what transpired exactly. And
the reason we were seeing this all is because it
(21:03):
was all the footage from inside the court room. It
wasn't a closed trial because it was a civil lawsuit.
All of the trial was being live stream, so you
could sit down and watch it in full, which many
people did, or you could just watch the edits every
night that were coming out of all the different testimonies.
So what the allegation was so Carti B said that
she was pregnant with her first child. She hadn't told anyone.
(21:23):
I love how she said in the when she was
on the stand, She's like, hadn't told anyone's a secret.
I had told my close circle of friends, I hadn't
hadn't told my publicist, and I hadn't told my parents.
And I was like, I love that. That is the
change very clear. Her parents not in her homic cycle,
so she was worried about people finding out she was pregnant,
so she had booked an obstrician's appointment to have the
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baby checked when the medical center was closed, so she
could go in and no one would see her. Because
obviously there's people who wait outside those clinics, especially in
LA where she was, who wait outside those clinics, who
sell medical information to places like TMZ, who sell paparazzi photos,
and I understand that why she wanted to keep it private.
So she so the security guard and Carti B had
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they both obviously told different sides the story, but Cardi
B alleged the security guard was following her through the
medical center and filming her, and she asked her to
stop filming her, and then they started having a fight
back and forth, and the security guard alleged that Cardi
B had physically attacked her, yelled at her, and scraped
her face with her very long fake nails. And then
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there was a lot of back and forth during the
court case of whether the length of the talents that
she had at the time could cause the amount of
damage that was said. So you know, mail technicians were
were refral Yeah, yes, and obviously the security guard also
said that she had needed like corrective surgery in order
to you know, remove the scarring.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yes, but also there was a real lack of evidence.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh, there was a lack of evidence that there being
a scar on her face at any point in time.
So none of this by itself is funny. You just
hear this, you know, you could look at it through
the lens that a person with a heart and emotion
that's not us would look at this saying that there
is a woman who lost her job because Securitiu lost
her job over this, who says that a very rich
and powerful celebrity attacked her. And then you got Cardi B,
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who said she was in a very vulnerable state because
she was pregnant, saying this woman, who she says is
much larger than her, was more aggressive than her, assaulted her.
That would have been a very serious news story. But
the fact is that there was a lot of testimony
over many days. So Cardi B is on the stand
across many days, and the things that woman had to say. Yes,
I really love Cardi B. And she is so much
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smarter than people realize. She's very engaged politically, she has
a lot to say about the culture and the news cycle.
And so this is a very smart woman and she's
being sued for something that in her mind she's like,
first of all, didn't happen. Second, more ridiculous, and third
you're coming at me just for my money. So she
goes in feeling that type of way, and she makes
sure she puts on a show to an extent of
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what she can control.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Right, she dresses the part. She looks amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
She's got a new wig every day, her makeup is phenomenal,
looked freaking gorgeous, like she's bombshell wig, like one of
the blonde wigs was kind of like the big Sabrina
carp into her hair at the moment with the huge curls. Like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
She looked amazing. She pulled a look every day.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But she also looked like she was like in a movie,
like like she was like legally blonde with She's like,
I'm gonna dress like a lawyer, but my version of
a law Yeah, So she looked like it was wawya Barbie,
Corporate Barbie.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And so she showed up every day, sat on the
stand and obviously, like, like you said, there's some serious
things being said here. These allegations are serious, but she's
being asked some of the most ridiculous questions. Okay, here's
my question. I'm not I'm not angry at the security guard.
I'm sure she had her reasons and she went through
the whole legal system. Probably, I'm not angry at Cardi B. Obviously,
because I never would, because that woman is wild. I'm
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angry at the security guard's lawyer, the true villain of
this piece. So I had that person who let them
have a degree. Those are the questions I that man
was are to put on a show. He's like, I'm
in la I actually wanted to be an actor. I'm
making this up. But you know, you can just tell
someone wanted to be an actor and their fails. They've
gone into another profession, but their st really agree about it.
That's this lawyer. So he's there to put on a show,
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and he decides that he's going to make Cardi B
look dumb. Yes, and that was his first error because
it was that was the wrong hill to die on.
Because Cardi B is coming in, she's pulling a look,
and she's wearing a different colored wig every day, which
she takes a lot of pride in yes, yesterday you
had black hair for hair, today's blonde and long?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Which one is your real hair?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So they bore through.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
They're wigs.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay, sorry they didn't know that, you idiot.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
The delivery of their wigs.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
What and just the way she looks so just confused
on the stand, but she's obviously answering his questions. But
then he obviously moves on to He's like, okay, sorry,
I didn't know that. It's a good week today.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Then is this a conversation we're having in court Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
But then he leads.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It in to oh, in your nails.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh they're interesting too, and like he's obviously trying to
set this picture of her and also bringing up the
nail so that he can then lead to the nails.
But obviously this has been called out online as being
quite an aggressive thing to say to a woman of
color about her hair and her nails, and there's a
reason he was doing it, But the way she just
responded to everything and wouldn't let it get to that point,
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she's just her delivery whistment like just amazing exactly, I
mean kind of kept I mean, obviously I know that
he's it's his job to kind of cross examine her
and prove that she's lying or pull out at all
these like different things to just credit her. But his
line of questioning was just very very odd because he
kept and I'm not a lawyer, famously maybe while we
want to be a failed podcaster and I'll become a lawyer,
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and I have the same anger as this man has
about his point in life. But he starts kind of
pushing on different things. Got he gets very kind of
tied into what she thinks an altercation is when I'm
talking to you now, are having a verbal altercation?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
We have n't We'll see the wet When I got food,
I was like, oh, I know, I know I didn't
touch your Like is that Look for the cameras, they'll
tell you I ain't touching.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah. No, he's very much you can see trying to
like probe her into saying the wrong thing. And I
think what was really interesting is that no matter how
hard he tried, she just kept coming back really calmly
with these answers of like, are you fucking for real?
Was the vibe of the way she answered every question,
but very professionally, but like her face, her mannerism. She
was just like, yeah, what what is this conversation we're
having in a court room? Yeah, so many odd moments,
(27:39):
like what about the moment where he's saying to her,
this is the lawyer saying to her. He's trying to
get her to repeat what she said to the security
guy at the time, And I loved that. One of
the reasons that she didn't want anyone to recognize her
is not just because she was keeping her pregnancy a
secret that day that she was also like this is
me if I go anywhere. She was like, I got
up really early, I didn't have my hair done, I
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didn't have my makeup done. I can't have people recognize me.
I can't have people seeing me like that. And she
looks at this guy as if like you get me right,
you get that I couldn't be seen with no makeup,
And he was like just not picking up what she
was saying, and like there's the part where he kind
of goes to her, like you know, in in exchange,
she's asked like, did you think the security guard was
bigger than you? Yeah, and she goes absolutely, I mean look,
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and then the Attorney's like I'm looking and she's like,
well there you go, like' and he pushes her. He's like,
so she's overweight. Did you call her fat? She's like, no,
I was calling her a bitch. Yeah, she really went
to town on that. Because again, he's the thing is
that is, that's a fair question to ask, because Cardi
B's whole thing is She's like, she kept saying, I
had a baby inside of me. I had a baby
inside of me. Yes, and girl, fair call. That sounds
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very stressful. And then she's trying to say, like the
reason she was freaking out with a security guard coming
towards her, she kept saying she's bigger than me. She's
standing over and he basically the lawyer tries to her
words in her mouth. He's like, oh, so you're saying
she's fat, she's fat, and Cardi B's like, no, I
said she was And then and then he goes like, well,
how do you know she's bigger than you? And there's
this funny moment that you can't really see on a
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podcast because you're listening to this. But after a while,
Cardi B and I how to answer the question. So
she just points really slowly to her own eyes yes,
and then points at the woman the security guard in
the crowd, who at this point I've got to assume
is rethinking the douation. And I'm like, ah, I took
things too far. I wish I hadn't done this. Yeah,
and then yeah, when she's like, I wasn't calling her fat,
(29:27):
I called her a bitch. Yeah, just to be clear,
Just to be clear, I did name call this woman.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But I think you know, these were obviously all being
set up.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
As we know, any lawyer would to try to frame
her as like having had an attitude or having called
this woman names, which might show that then it escalated
to violence. But like even just when they were asking
how she knew she was being filmed, right, she says
that she went in, security guard recognizes her, starts following her,
starts filming her. She asked them to stop. It escalates
to an altercation. Yeah, He's like, how did you know
she was filming? And Cardi demonstrates like holding up her phone.
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She's like, well, she was standing around the corner from
me like this, She'd had it at her ear and
then she was holding it in front of me the
way you hold a phone when you film, and he's like,
but you didn't know, and she's like, well, I did
you know when someone's filming on you. So they were
just quite ridiculous questions obviously, and the courtroom giggling. I
didn't know you could giggle in court. Yeah. For a
while there, I had to have to watch a few
(30:18):
different videos because I was like, as again, I was
watching these clips all the time because they were just
going crazy on the internet and people were loving it.
But I thought someone had added a laugh track over
the top in one of the TikTok edits that I
was watching. I thought someone had added a laugh track
of her talking about the incident, and then I realized,
is the courtroom laughing, which again I also didn't know
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was alloud but also funny? Is funny. One of the
funniest moments I do think is when she's being questioned
about why her own bodyguard security wasn't with her, and
she's like, oh, I didn't want that man to know
I was pregnant. She's like she's like, she was like, well,
I was going to a doctor for like my lady paths,
like I didn't want him to know. I don't want
him in my business. I don't want him to know
I was going to have a janaductor. She and fair,
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so fair, and she was like, I think she called
him like her male colleague or colleague.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
She's like, I don't want that man in here with me.
Would Why would I? I'm like, fair point CARDI b Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
She's like, I was getting my cat checked, and the
lawyer's like, what she was, I was getting my cat checked.
Oh my gosh, her delivery is just her male colleague
who's her employee, but also calling him a colleagues very nice. Yes,
didn't want her him coming into obstetrician office with her,
And I say fair enough. So that I say fair enough,
I don't want any of you coming with me to
that appointment. To be honest, I don't want to come
(31:33):
just so you know you're on your own with that one.
We'll do those things separately. But I do think obviously
the like defining moment is when we have the third
party involved. Ye, the receptionist, Yes, yes, like so the
receptionist was also called to the stand. She also got
a lot of laughs. She must be flying high. He
needs to meet this whole thing into his name.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'm sure he's currently who will play this man.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
She plays herself. Oh my god, yes, she plays herself. Yes,
so the receptionist Tira obviously the only other person because
they've closed down the situation. Yeah, she got called to
the witness stand and she recounts, like her version hers
alignce with Carti's, which is that she saw the security
guard in front of Carti and then she saw that
there was like you know, yelling and escalation, and so
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she rushed to get in between the two of them.
So she says that she was standing between the two
of them, she had her back to Cardi b and
she had her face towards the security guard being like
stop this, like let's not do this, and she says
they were both yelling. She gets asked, did she see
the security guard and Cardi hit each other? Did she
see Cardi scratch this woman? And there's just this really
(32:40):
funny line delivery where she was like there were I
think she says there were hands being thrown or punches
being thrown, but nothing landed, and everyone in the court
just like laughs because she's basically like no one could
punch for shit. That's just so funny. It kind of
makes me think of like big setup for a fight
like the end of Bridge Jones's Diary. Yeah, with Hugh
grand and Colin Firth. Yeah, with Hugo and Colin Firth,
(33:03):
where like it's also this big fight scene and then
neither of them can actually they're trying to kick each other,
trying to punch it. Neither it and can land and
like these this vibe. Except she's kind of clear that,
you know, in her opinion, Carti was just like back
away from me, Like it wasn't necessarily throwing hands, but
it was like talking with hands because you're mad. But
she does say that she did get she got scratched.
(33:24):
Oh that Cardi B got scratched. No, no, no, that
the receptionist got scratched.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
What So she says that I.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Do not know she was in the mix of getting scratched. Yeah.
So she said she suffered a cut to her forehead
during the incident, and it was pointed out by one
of the doctors to her. She didn't even notice in
the moment because it was just a scratch. And then
when she's asked who was it, she says, well, Cardi
B was behind me, so she can't have scratched my face.
So she's essentially saying the security guard scratch her face face,
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and like the moment when she says that she goes
but she was behind me and then it was a
doctor on nurse who noticed her. She said she was
flabbergasted with the allegations that don't seem congruent to what
she saw that day. You see Cardie's lawyer smile when
they talk about this other scratch because he's like cool
love one. Yeah, Oh the scratch that ended, the true
scratch that ended the trioic piece of evidence, the scratch
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against the receptionist stage. Wow, this is a real true
crime situation that I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, we need it, We need a podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Bring in TCC.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
TCC.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So, as they were escalating to the closing arguments on
the final day, you'd think that would be the most
heightened day for Cardi B because she's been in this trial.
She's been fighting this for years. I can't stress enough
how much the woman has had three children since this
has been so it's been so long she's been fighting this,
and her whole thing is like, I'm not giving this
woman the money. I didn't do it. I'm going to
stick to my guns. She's been coming into court every day,
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pulling a look. She said she missed her child's first
and last days of school, which not great, huge yet huge.
And so you think when I was watching the footage
of them delivering closing arguments, that she would be like tense.
She'd be doing that thing like when we've seen like
Lindsay Lowan or Paris Hilton court back in the day.
They'd be like holding on to their lawyers and shaking
and crying. That's what I thought. And I was waiting
(35:10):
for the camera to go to her so I could
see this intense reaction closing arguments guilty not guilty. I
know that's not what we do with this courtcase, but
I'm just using those terms because that's the movie term. Yeah,
and camera goes to Cardi B. She's falling asleep. She's
had it. She can't do anymore. It's tired. She's so tired.
She's put on a show. She's had to explain to
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this man what a wig is, what a wig is.
She said her forehead was hurting from the wig. Yeah,
my favorite part of the postpress. She's had to explain
all this stuff. That woman is exhausted. She's falling asleep
during closing arguments, and then she was found not liable
for all of it. And then she descends the court
room steps outside, and that's when we get another little treat,
(35:51):
and that's when we get more fun, because you know,
new Day, New Wig. She had her own lawyers laughing
in this inter Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, I swear to God, I will say it in
my dev be I did not touch that woman. I
know I got a little reputation, but I swear to God.
I'm mincing like like I'm really innocent for real. Let's
just put this behind. But I'm giving a warning. I
am not that's celeb that you're gonna sue and you
think it's gonna settle. I'm not gonna settle. The next
(36:18):
person to try to do a frivolous lawsuit against me,
I'm going to counter soon and I'm gonna make you pay.
It's been late nights and early five thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Morning.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You gotta get up five thirty so I can look
like this with y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Can I say?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Then?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
My forehead is raw from changing all these weeks. Raw,
raw raw raw.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I love that bit where she talks about the fact
that she doesn't lie in Beddle day and that's the lion.
She's like, I don't lie in Bettle day, therefore I'm
not paying out money to people who sue me. And
I was like, that's that's fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Famously hard work at Cardi B.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah no, and she's saying it there. It
also reminded me of like when Grenneth Paltrow sued the
man who were like the skiing Yeah, the skiing incident.
I mean, that's the best celebrity trial we've had in
a while. But her her thing was the same. She
was like, I have the money to give to this man, yeah,
but he's lying. Yeah, and so I will walk into
this courtroom every day, also pulling a very different to
Cardi B. I walk into this courtroom every day and
(37:14):
just to defend the fact that this man is trying
to steal from me. Essentially, so she could have had
this and she did. Cardi B had this beautiful moment
where she walked out of the courtroom looking again like
Leelee Brown, like Elle Woods. She's got the suit on,
she's got a beautiful wig on, and at the same
time she kind of finishes on a very dramatic note
because I know if you saw this clip just before
the press conference, she was going on the line of
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because his fans like, because his court case has been
so famous, everyone's been watching the clips, so fans have
started lining the streets around the courtroom to meet Cardi
B on the way out. Why not?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
She's there, she looks great, she's photo ready.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You got the time.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And that was her whole thing. She didn't want to
be photographed without her hair and makeup done. So this
is the time to grab her because she's ready to
use victorious. So and she was being nice to fans.
She was going on the line, she was taking photos
of fans, she was signing autographs. She's having a great time.
And then this journalist comes over and starts asking her
if it's true that she's pregnant with her fourth child. Yeah,
with another guy that she's dating. She offset have broken up,
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and she just gets as we know, she was tired,
she was falling asleep minutes ago. She's tired, she's angry.
She gets so angry she stays yelling at him, and
then she takes the marker off a fan that a
fan had given her, saying like, can you please sign
this to me and throws it directly at the me.
Not now like you just got to quit it of assault, gunny,
(38:33):
and then you're throwing a marker at a man on camera. Yeah,
I'm not saying that's going to lead to anything, but
it was an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, it was an interesting choice.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
And like I also, like I do want to say,
because people were analyzing obviously they've been analyzing this whole thing,
and they were analyzing how she wore her outfits and
like saying she was walking like a pregnant woman might walk,
like she was doing that little wattle a little bit.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Some people said, I'm like, sure it was in heels,
so who knows.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, well, her coming out of that courtroom in the
heels as me trying to walk in heels down a
flight of stairs. It's tough, terrifying, she's wobbling. I do too,
we all do. I can't even wear heels. But she
was being questioned about that on the internet, and then
it's not the moment to ask. It's maybe also not
the moment to throw a pen. No, I know, look
that that journalist to ask her, and I don't think
(39:14):
it was a jealous was like a Paparazia. It was
a different thing. Yeah, that person's trash, but also an
interesting choice to come out of being acquitted from assault
and then see that she's I'm learning this line and
I'm like, Candie, they could not be more cameras on her, Yeah,
because everyone's waiting for her statement after the court case.
And then she was like, you're so disrespectful whack And
(39:34):
I was like, soir she what did we just say? Yeah, So,
as far as I know, nothing's come from her. I
don't even know if the market hit it like the thing,
it's fine, But I'm just saying, what a time, What
a time to be Cardi B? What a time do
you want of Cardi B's wigs? Yes, just beautiful time
her now technician. Everyone's a winner, except that everyone's a winner,
accept the security garden. Also, whoever she threw a pen
(39:56):
at and whoever lost a pen? Yeah, and it's hard
to find. They are so hard to find. It could
be their favorite pen. Well, I'm sad it's over, but
I'm glad it happened. I'm glad it happened, and now
I need to go watch this video. Well, thank you
very much for joining us, for this very important and
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So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to
this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick
(00:31):
and today I'm joined by Tina Burg. Hello. Are we
passed saying your title? Now? Yeah, we don't need to
any more. The spillers heard the discourse. We're no, I'm kidding.
I'm pop culture and Social editor here at Mamma Mia. Yes.
So Tina is filling here today because poor Emily Vernon
is a little bit under the weather, wishing her thoughts
and prayers. But it's a good thing you're here because
we have two areas of your special interest to discuss today.
(00:54):
One of those is that the greatest reality show of
twenty twenty five has come to an end. We're talking
about the Cardi b trial. We need to go through
the biggest moments from that because it was so unhinged.
And also we have the first trailer from what has
shaping up to be the most controversial movie of the year.
To get into that. We haven't shared our thoughts. We
might fight, we might cry who would not choose friendships
(01:16):
will end, but also boss manager and friendship bringing that up?
Please don't tell people I'm a boss. I'm calling young
anyway you have I actually don't even know what you're
going to bring it up? You have something really important,
some breaking news that you need to share with the spillers. Yes,
I'm sorry, but I have, like all my special interests
in just making news headlines. One Lewis Pullman, don't know
(01:36):
if you saw I saw in Venice Film Festival. Guys,
if you haven't heard, we did a whole episode, go
check it out because we love that man and he's beautiful.
Can I just say, every time I see Lewis Pullman
making out with Kaya Gerber, those two gorgeous Nippo babies,
I just picture your face, Yes, because I know how
obsessed you are.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Justin Bieber playing in the background, that should be me?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Which one? They're both hot? I take either? I would
date either. Are they looking for a third? Just kidding
but also not kidding, not kidding? All right, what's your
other creepy interest this week? My delightful interest this week
is that the producer of the New Heights podcast, which
is Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey's podcast just got engaged.
And I just think that's so beautiful. And I know
(02:19):
that is not informational news that matters to anyone but me.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
But like, he's the producer of the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
He's known as Intern Brandon, but he's like kind of
like the monetious Warren and Tina Burke of the New
Heights podcast universe exactly. So we are the people behind
Laura Brodnick, so just as he is the people behind
Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey. Mon is our producer of
the Spills. She's amazing. And then he also though comes
(02:46):
in and does like the bit of the class clown
sometimes and that's where I come in. Yes, so I'm
going to skate right past the fact that you has
called me the Travis Kelcey little tree.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't want to be like the fancy boss one
that everyone loves.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Sorry, I would love to be the slightly dumber than
everyone else, hot yet charismatic person. So actually, yeah, you're
the Travis and Jason. And don't forget Jason was giving
Barbara Walters in his Tailor ste interview. He hasalistic integrity
during that Tailor Swift interview because I watched a few
of the clips back Jason Kelcey, he's sweating. I think
it's not lost on him that he is getting the
(03:19):
longest interview that anyone will ever have with Taylor Swift
ever again, because she doesn't do interviews and he gets
really nervous. Took it seriously. Yeah, if I interviewed Taylor Swift,
see you are jist. Tell me about sourdough. Wow, I'm
having a huge identity crisis. Thanks for bringing that up.
The third Kelsey brother, Laura Brodnick. The third Kelsey brother,
Laura Brodnick, and so their producer got engaged. It's lovely
(03:41):
to be engaged at the same time as your boss.
Is the story that I'm swinging today. So essentially, as
we know, the Taro reader that came into our office recently,
meeting my husband in December or January. So I don't
have any news to share currently, but I'd like to
tell the spillers to watch this space because I might
pull an Interurn brand and soon and come on the
pod and be like, guys, I'm engaged and announced you're engaged,
(04:01):
and that's my engagement. Wouldn't that be fun. First you
need to get engaged though, for this dynamic to play
out Ala Taylor Swift. Well, that could happen because as
we've prevy. Actually no, we've never said this on the
pod because why would anyone care. But when you and
I met at that Bridgeton premiere party years ago, the
over a year ago, one year, the psychic there told
(04:23):
me that I would soon be married to an Englishman.
And I have not seen that man, so I don't
want to say to any psychics listening that it's not real. Well,
when we got an a legend say it's not. What
I think is going to happen is that we are
going to follow the New Heights thing and you're going
to meet your englishman and get engaged and then exactly
two weeks later with a smaller engagement ring. And he
also proposed in the Ocean, I will get engaged two
(04:44):
weeks directly after you, and the world will celebrate our
dual engagements podcast history. Well, at least we've got a
content plan going forward. So wait, this New heightsman, he's
so non rescript Brandon. Yes, oh that poor boy, but
he's so fun. He like when they first started dating,
he would troll Travis on camera, so like they'd be
talking about something completely not related to Taylor Swift because
(05:05):
they've just started dating. And then Brandon would be sipping
from like an Aira's tour cup or he'd be where
the merch like he lives to troll his boss and
hello Dynamic. Wait, did Brandon get a full episode to
tell his engagement.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
No, not yet.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's just happened, so he might possibly make an appearance. Yes,
and I'm hoping that Taylor sends them a gift. She
loves sour though she loves pop tarts. I hope she
sends them a little something. Yeah, I mean it is.
I mean to engaged Bros On a Bros podcast, I
feel like they could pivot to a wedding podcast. Do
you When you and I talked about the tailor shift engagement,
speaking of that whole situation that unfolded just over a
(05:41):
week ago, was it I feel like we've just been
living with that news forever. Yes, speaking of that moment,
So you and I recorded our explainer on that like
just after the post had gone live, like the ink
on that Instagram post was still dry. Yes, And people
now think that they got engaged directly after the podcast. Yeah,
and you're a die hard swifty investigator, do you think
that's true. Well, okay, some of the evidence that people
(06:04):
are sharing is like, there's an indent in her hair
which looks like where a headphone could be. And I'm like, guys,
those are beach waves, beachway because they were looking at
the photo of podcasts and the photos from the engagement
and it looks like there's an indent in our hair.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, that's detective detective one.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know. The best detective work I saw is that
people were zooming in on the length of her manicure
and al and the manicure and then zooming on the
engagement photos and trying to see if the lengths matched up. Yeah. Well,
as we know, Travis's dad ed the Kelseys love to
do a tell all of their children it's really sweet.
But yeah, he kind of said it was around the time.
He didn't exactly say, but people took that married it
(06:41):
with the fact that there's some rogue friends of friends
of friends out there telling people that it was the
exact same day that during the two hour record, they
set up the flowers, they set up the archway.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And then they came out afterwards and got engaged, is.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
What page six reports. And it has come from people
who were like my friends of Florist and they said this,
so as if that flores wouldn't be underlock and key
after they delivered the flowers be thrown to a box
and locked and thrown to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah,
like that Floris isn't talking. No, so look, all signs
point to engaged after the pod. Yeah, would that work
for me after a long, hard day at work.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
No, I don't want to talk to anyone after this podcast.
I'm like emotionally spent. No one. No, I mean, no
one's asked me to marry them, so that situation has
not come up yet. But if the psychic is to
believe it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And soon I think we do a live spill recording.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What he can tell me, I will tell mon.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We will set up in the bushes like the tailorscope photographer,
and we will capture the whole event, right, Okay, little
have a content plan. Okay, well, Englishmen apply within I guess.
Congrats to Brandon was at the point of this. I
don't know his nondescript fiancee. Do we have her name?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Come on, I'm not Yea, his fiance seems lovely, she said, Yes,
I mean great, We know that much. Congrats to those kids.
Happy for them. Didn't know they existed till right now. Yes,
but they have inspired us. Stay tuned. So there is
a movie that we have been talking not just you
and I The Greater World has been worldwide discourse. A
movie that we have been talking about intensely since the
(08:08):
casting was announced and we had no further information, and
that is Emerald Fanelle's upcoming adaptation of the classic Bronte
novele Wathering Heights.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's how I felt this morning when I saw the trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes, because we did not know the trailer was coming
out today.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yees. So many months ago it was announced that Emerald Fanel,
the classic filmmaker. It sounds like I'm joking, but I
actually love Emerald finel movies. One of Steltburn, a movie
that just had us orders grasp when it came out.
Plus Promising Young Woman, which is one of my favorite
movies of the decade, and she won an Oscar for it.
There will be no Emerald Fanell slammed on this pod
unless this movie is bad, and then it's open slaughter
(08:44):
on her.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Then it's over.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yes, everyone was really excited because she writes these incredible
original screenplays and her mind just works some wonderful ways,
and she writes these really intense female protagonists. So everyone
was so excited to see, after promising young woman after Saltburn,
what she would do next. And so when she announced
she was doing an adaptation of Wathering Heights, I was
excited because I love the book and I love her
(09:06):
filmmaking take. But I was also a bit like, how
is it going to have the classic Fanelle touch on this?
So if anyone hasn't read the book, and I highly
recommend if you weren't made to read it in high school.
I mean I was a nerd and I read it
before Extension English. I was about to say, I did,
do you Extension English because that's where I read it. Yes.
Oh my god, nerds, Oh such nerds. We are such
nerds who have found our way onto this podcast. I
(09:27):
still have the energy of a high school or doing
Extension English. That's how I prope for every podcast. We do.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I know, I've seen it with your size sixteen.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay, that's that's the thing. The soon for another day,
and all my extensive notes. So the book was written
by Emily Bronte and published in eighteen forty seven. Was
originally published under her pen name Ellis Bell. It was
a whole situation. It tells us very torrid romance between
Kathy and Heathcliff. And when it was announced that Margot
Robbie would play Kathy and Jacob beer Laudie would play Heathcliff,
(09:57):
the people were not happy. Were you happy? I was flabbergasted,
really and I got called agist and I'll I'll say
it again. What did not explain? So I really love Margaret.
I'll love her to the end of my life. You know,
she is similar in age to me, so this is
not an age's comment. However, Catherine Earnshaw famously dies at
(10:19):
eighteen years of it. Yes, and that's a huge plot point,
A huge, huge plot point in the book. Sorry, should
I say spoiler alert for the people think? I mean,
the book's been out for one hundred years, been out
hundreds of years, and I do actually think you should
read it if you haven't before you watched the film,
watch any of the other film, watch the other film.
Adaptation has been a lot. I think it would really
like it's going to change the way people be the film,
and we can talk about that in a moment. But
(10:40):
Catherine famously eighteen year old woman, regardless of death towards
the end of the film, towards the end of the book,
eighteen years old, Muga Robbie at mid thirties, also a
blonde woman, famously a brunette woman in the books. Yes,
Sophie is one of Actually she's the out of all,
speaking for my people, my brunette ladies. She is like
the original, like classic kind of strong headed brunette character
(11:03):
that we all we all aspire to be. Yes, And
so watching a blonde takeover a brunette's role, actually, you're
right movie, and you know, like I love Margo so much.
And obviously that's just the initial casting reaction. That was
not a reaction to the trailers. That was a reaction
to nothing, just the news. It was like Barbie playing
Katherine Earnshaw was interesting. And I know that Margo's a talent.
(11:24):
I know that she can change everything about herself for
a role. I'm excited to see what she does. But
there was obviously a reaction to that, because you're like, well,
are you changing the story then to suit that's going
to be subversive?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Is it gonna be modern?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What's going to happen? Was the big reaction, and then
the obvious reaction to Jacob Alordie. Yes, we love Jacob
Alordie so much, but Heathcliff is described in the book
as being a dark skinned man, and until twenty eleven,
there were no adaptations that featured dark skinned men playing
the role of Heathcliff. Yes, that changed with a really
great adaptation in twenty eleven, and so for us to
(11:55):
kind of then go backwards to casting another white man
in the role, that obviously was something that had upset
a lot of people. And that's a I mean, it's
alluded to in kind of like a behind the scenes
he ate the book. Yeah, that his race has something
to do with like all the other things, treatments, his treatment,
the way he's treating, the way people view him in
society at the time, and so to either they've completely
missed that point of the story or they've completely cut
(12:18):
it out, and neither of those is great.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And neither of those is great.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And obviously when this casting was announced, we didn't know
anything else about what they were doing with the plot,
So yeah, it was an understandable thing for people to
be upset by it, and I agree that it was
the wrong decision to make. Yeah, because like there's other
character traits of Heathcliff, and Heathcliff anyone who doesn't hasn't
read the book or isn't across the story is the
ultimate kind of tortured romantic hero, like the He's the
(12:43):
original bad boy and from really mean sometimes. He is
the classic ectory every mordern aaptation you see of a
woman in a big love story falling in love with
like the tortured brewed man who treats her terribly, but
they're passionately in love like Heathcliff is the blueprint for that.
He is, and I have no doubt that Jacob Elodie
(13:04):
could play that kind of role. I just don't know
that we needed to cast Jacob Elordi in this role.
But it is very It's group right, Emerald Fanelle, It's
Margot Robbie is Jacob Aerlordi, Yeah, same cinematographer that they
used in Saltburn a lot of the same cast they
She does have that signature now of casting the same
people over and over. Yes, because obviously Jacob Lordie had
a brilliant cinematic turn in Saltburn. Who could forget the
(13:25):
bathtub scene. Margot Robbie produced Saltburn. She's in the mix.
She knows a hit movie when she sees it, like
she knows a movie that will get people talking. So
all that happened about up until now, we've only seen
a few set photos. So when you and I first
saw the wedding photos of Margot Robbie as Kathy, we
were actually quite into it. People were angry, but you
and I had the same thought, because we've got to
the point now where I feel like we share one mind. Yes,
(13:48):
your thoughts, and it's half Tailes Swift, half Buffy Trivia
and nothing else and no in between, and five percent
for work stuff and five percent for Lewis Pulmanettit's yeah,
so important. You and I saw that photo and we
had the same thought of like, it didn't look like
a wedding dress of the era of weathering heights were set.
It looks like almost like an eighties style wedding dress.
And then I got really excited because I thought that
(14:10):
she was modernizing Wathering Heights and I was actually here
for a big swing like that. Yes, but we've learned
that's not true.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
No, we've learned that's not true. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
The thing with the trailer is that, like and the
poster release now, is that we've seen the Wathering Heights
branding that she's gone for, and there are quote marks
around Wathering Heights, yeah, the poster and in the title card,
and so that kind of tells me, all I need
to know, you're doing something subversive, you're doing something different,
but then it is still a period drama. And so
I think the feeling a lot of people have is
does Emerald have the chops to pull off a story
(14:40):
that is subversive but not And that's what's stressed some
people out. Okay, so I was of that too, But
the trailer came out today. We all woke up to
the glorious news that the very first trailer for the
Wathering Heights adaptation was out in the world, and I
watched it with a tight cling of fear in my
chest of like, is this going to be good or bad?
What did you think of it, because this is the
(15:02):
first time we've seen like full shots of the characters.
We've seen scenes, we've seen costumes. It's the first time
I feel like we actually know what's happening. Yes, I
desperately want to see this movie. Yeah, I love I
loved the trailer. I have so many thoughts about whether
or not this is a Wathering Heights film, but I.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Really really loved the trailer. What did you think?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No, I loved it. It didn't make me think of
the book at all. No, which I actually love because again,
I feel like they're this stage, especially as we've had
this conversation so many times, remakes, reboots, sequels, all that
sort of thing. I'm really craving original cinema. And that
was mainly thought when I heard Emerald Fanell was doing this.
I was like, I know Wathering Heights so well, and
(15:40):
I've seen all the adaptations and they're great. But if
you're just going to go make another page for page
remake of this story we've seen a million times, then
what is the point. It's kind of like when they
remade Psycho shot for shot and I was like, what
who is it is? Just to see how well you
can copy someone else's film, almost a little bit with
(16:01):
nos Ferratu too, like I love Far but it is
a it's a shot for shot remake of the original,
and so I didn't want Emerald Fanel to do that.
And when I saw the trailer, it is so heightened.
It's like it's like more sexualized than the others.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So sexual. Why is someone fingering a fish? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, not a sentence I ever wanted to say on record,
Please do again in case people were like what sorry? What? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Please? Why was there someone putting a finger inside a
fish's mouth in ah, what are we doing? In the trailer?
The trailer, But there were so many like sexual things
in this trailer obviously, like he's doing up her bodice,
he goes to touch her tongue and.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He's like, do you want me to stop? And she's
like no.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And it's like hot, hot, hot hot. It's a hot, hot,
hot trailer and also a weird trailer those scenes. But
that's what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Now this has piqued my interests because I've gone, yes, okay,
you've gone off script, off manual. This is not a
faithful adaptation and now I need to see what you
did with it. Yes, that's what I saw someone say today,
like I can't believe we're witnessing in real time the
salt burnification of Wathering Heights. Yeah, and I was like,
sign me up for that movie. But also, like her
characters wearing sung got pink Sunglassunny's shot was the one
(17:11):
that got me because there's so much that's still you know,
a period dress here, and like the homes that they're in. Obviously,
like the opening shot of the Moors, I went, wait,
are we doing, Faithful? And then Charlie xcyx in my
headphones and I was like, oh, all right, let's let's
do this.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Emerald.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah. Remind of a time when every single classic like
Shakespearean story was being remade into a teen movie. And
I think the next way that that is taking these
very classic English stories that have like formed literature and
giving them these kind of rock star, sexy, messy makeovers.
I'm here for it, especially because you know, correct me
if I'm wrong. I don't believe smut was popular in
(17:49):
the eighteen hundreds the way it is today. I think
it was much more secret backdoor. But obviously weathering highs.
Very sexy subtext, very sexy and dark and brooding and
cruel and whatever, all mishmashed into one. But she's taking
it right and putting it in a modern context and going,
all right, let's get fucked up. Yeah, like the craze
(18:11):
of these people, of these characters make a fairy come
in noting sex. It's the smutty fairy wathering pote cross over.
I've always wanted, Well, that movie is coming out on
Valentine's Day of next year. We're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
We're so going to go.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It looks Valentine's Day watching this.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
What a nice Valentine's Day. But we will have met
our husbands by that's true. Our husbands will be seen,
they can hunch.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, love that for us, But like to me, I
don't mean to make everything in my life.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
About Jurassic World, the movie I hated the most this year.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
But the reason I say that is for me, Jurassic
World Rebirth. Had you called that movie something else, it
was just a dinosaur film, I might have enjoyed it
a lot more. But you add the name, you add
the brand, and you add the franchise to something, and
it heightens it for really big fans of that. I
love Weathering Heights is a book. But I think the
reason some people are getting so upset is that they
are like, this is Wathering Heights, How dare you do
this to just get because they're like, this doesn't feel
(19:06):
like it is about that book. It just feels like
you could have done anything else and made this movie.
But I actually don't. I think she's clearly right. She
took the inspiration and she's run with it. Yeah, and
so I want to see what happens. But I understand
why people are upset. I had my own upsets this year. Yeah,
if you're feeling distressed about this day, we hear you,
We see you. I didn't expect a through line from
the Jurassic Park franchise to Wuthering Heights, But that is
(19:26):
modern cinema for you. That is modern cine. Valentine's Day.
We've also posted the trailer. She said this the top.
We posted the trailer on the spill Instagram account. Have
a look, tell us what you think and yeah, bring
on the smart.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, bring it on.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So very sadly, except for the people involved, just for
the people who are watching it. Very Sadly, one of
the greatest reality shows of twenty twenty five has come
to an end, and that is a civil lawsuit that
was brought against musician Cardi B. This has been the
most fascinating thing to watch maybe all year for me.
I don't know, it was huge, huge news to me.
The tiktoks I was just like scrolling in bed every
(20:01):
night having a giggle while also acknowledging serious trucks. Well,
this is why we waited for it to be over,
because the thing is Cardi B was there was a
civil lawsuit against her from a security guard at a
doctor's office for an altercation that happened back in twenty
eighteen when Cardi B was pregnant with her first child.
She and offset now have three children since that happened.
(20:21):
So this has been going for a while. And as
much as the videos coming out were so funny and
they were all going viral, I sort of wanted to
wait till the trial was over because if she had
been found, if she had been found to have assaulted
that security guard and she was clear of all that,
it would have been a bit harder to you.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Know, a chat about the silliness.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, the court cases finished, Both of the women involved,
both Cardi B and the security guard who made the
allegations and sued her, came out and addressed reporters. Obviously,
security guard is putting in a plea to have it overturned.
But it's all kind of done and dusted now, so
now we can go back through what transpired exactly. And
the reason we were seeing this all is because it
(21:03):
was all the footage from inside the court room. It
wasn't a closed trial because it was a civil lawsuit.
All of the trial was being live stream, so you
could sit down and watch it in full, which many
people did, or you could just watch the edits every
night that were coming out of all the different testimonies.
So what the allegation was so Carti B said that
she was pregnant with her first child. She hadn't told anyone.
(21:23):
I love how she said in the when she was
on the stand, She's like, hadn't told anyone's a secret.
I had told my close circle of friends, I hadn't
hadn't told my publicist, and I hadn't told my parents.
And I was like, I love that. That is the
change very clear. Her parents not in her homic cycle,
so she was worried about people finding out she was pregnant,
so she had booked an obstrician's appointment to have the
(21:45):
baby checked when the medical center was closed, so she
could go in and no one would see her. Because
obviously there's people who wait outside those clinics, especially in
LA where she was, who wait outside those clinics, who
sell medical information to places like TMZ, who sell paparazzi photos,
and I understand that why she wanted to keep it private.
So she so the security guard and Carti B had
(22:08):
they both obviously told different sides the story, but Cardi
B alleged the security guard was following her through the
medical center and filming her, and she asked her to
stop filming her, and then they started having a fight
back and forth, and the security guard alleged that Cardi
B had physically attacked her, yelled at her, and scraped
her face with her very long fake nails. And then
(22:32):
there was a lot of back and forth during the
court case of whether the length of the talents that
she had at the time could cause the amount of
damage that was said. So you know, mail technicians were
were refral Yeah, yes, and obviously the security guard also
said that she had needed like corrective surgery in order
to you know, remove the scarring.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yes, but also there was a real lack of evidence.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh, there was a lack of evidence that there being
a scar on her face at any point in time.
So none of this by itself is funny. You just
hear this, you know, you could look at it through
the lens that a person with a heart and emotion
that's not us would look at this saying that there
is a woman who lost her job because Securitiu lost
her job over this, who says that a very rich
and powerful celebrity attacked her. And then you got Cardi B,
(23:18):
who said she was in a very vulnerable state because
she was pregnant, saying this woman, who she says is
much larger than her, was more aggressive than her, assaulted her.
That would have been a very serious news story. But
the fact is that there was a lot of testimony
over many days. So Cardi B is on the stand
across many days, and the things that woman had to say. Yes,
I really love Cardi B. And she is so much
(23:40):
smarter than people realize. She's very engaged politically, she has
a lot to say about the culture and the news cycle.
And so this is a very smart woman and she's
being sued for something that in her mind she's like,
first of all, didn't happen. Second, more ridiculous, and third
you're coming at me just for my money. So she
goes in feeling that type of way, and she makes
sure she puts on a show to an extent of
(24:01):
what she can control.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Right, she dresses the part. She looks amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
She's got a new wig every day, her makeup is phenomenal,
looked freaking gorgeous, like she's bombshell wig, like one of
the blonde wigs was kind of like the big Sabrina
carp into her hair at the moment with the huge curls. Like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
She looked amazing. She pulled a look every day.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But she also looked like she was like in a movie,
like like she was like legally blonde with She's like,
I'm gonna dress like a lawyer, but my version of
a law Yeah, So she looked like it was wawya Barbie,
Corporate Barbie.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And so she showed up every day, sat on the
stand and obviously, like, like you said, there's some serious
things being said here. These allegations are serious, but she's
being asked some of the most ridiculous questions. Okay, here's
my question. I'm not I'm not angry at the security guard.
I'm sure she had her reasons and she went through
the whole legal system. Probably, I'm not angry at Cardi B. Obviously,
because I never would, because that woman is wild. I'm
(24:51):
angry at the security guard's lawyer, the true villain of
this piece. So I had that person who let them
have a degree. Those are the questions I that man
was are to put on a show. He's like, I'm
in la I actually wanted to be an actor. I'm
making this up. But you know, you can just tell
someone wanted to be an actor and their fails. They've
gone into another profession, but their st really agree about it.
That's this lawyer. So he's there to put on a show,
(25:14):
and he decides that he's going to make Cardi B
look dumb. Yes, and that was his first error because
it was that was the wrong hill to die on.
Because Cardi B is coming in, she's pulling a look,
and she's wearing a different colored wig every day, which
she takes a lot of pride in yes, yesterday you
had black hair for hair, today's blonde and long?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Which one is your real hair?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So they bore through.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
They're wigs.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay, sorry they didn't know that, you idiot.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
The delivery of their wigs.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
What and just the way she looks so just confused
on the stand, but she's obviously answering his questions. But
then he obviously moves on to He's like, okay, sorry,
I didn't know that. It's a good week today.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Then is this a conversation we're having in court Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
But then he leads.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It in to oh, in your nails.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh they're interesting too, and like he's obviously trying to
set this picture of her and also bringing up the
nail so that he can then lead to the nails.
But obviously this has been called out online as being
quite an aggressive thing to say to a woman of
color about her hair and her nails, and there's a
reason he was doing it, But the way she just
responded to everything and wouldn't let it get to that point,
(26:28):
she's just her delivery whistment like just amazing exactly, I
mean kind of kept I mean, obviously I know that
he's it's his job to kind of cross examine her
and prove that she's lying or pull out at all
these like different things to just credit her. But his
line of questioning was just very very odd because he
kept and I'm not a lawyer, famously maybe while we
want to be a failed podcaster and I'll become a lawyer,
(26:49):
and I have the same anger as this man has
about his point in life. But he starts kind of
pushing on different things. Got he gets very kind of
tied into what she thinks an altercation is when I'm
talking to you now, are having a verbal altercation?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
We have n't We'll see the wet When I got food,
I was like, oh, I know, I know I didn't
touch your Like is that Look for the cameras, they'll
tell you I ain't touching.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah. No, he's very much you can see trying to
like probe her into saying the wrong thing. And I
think what was really interesting is that no matter how
hard he tried, she just kept coming back really calmly
with these answers of like, are you fucking for real?
Was the vibe of the way she answered every question,
but very professionally, but like her face, her mannerism. She
was just like, yeah, what what is this conversation we're
having in a court room? Yeah, so many odd moments,
(27:39):
like what about the moment where he's saying to her,
this is the lawyer saying to her. He's trying to
get her to repeat what she said to the security
guy at the time, And I loved that. One of
the reasons that she didn't want anyone to recognize her
is not just because she was keeping her pregnancy a
secret that day that she was also like this is
me if I go anywhere. She was like, I got
up really early, I didn't have my hair done, I
(27:59):
didn't have my makeup done. I can't have people recognize me.
I can't have people seeing me like that. And she
looks at this guy as if like you get me right,
you get that I couldn't be seen with no makeup,
And he was like just not picking up what she
was saying, and like there's the part where he kind
of goes to her, like you know, in in exchange,
she's asked like, did you think the security guard was
bigger than you? Yeah, and she goes absolutely, I mean look,
(28:22):
and then the Attorney's like I'm looking and she's like,
well there you go, like' and he pushes her. He's like,
so she's overweight. Did you call her fat? She's like, no,
I was calling her a bitch. Yeah, she really went
to town on that. Because again, he's the thing is
that is, that's a fair question to ask, because Cardi
B's whole thing is She's like, she kept saying, I
had a baby inside of me. I had a baby
inside of me. Yes, and girl, fair call. That sounds
(28:44):
very stressful. And then she's trying to say, like the
reason she was freaking out with a security guard coming
towards her, she kept saying she's bigger than me. She's
standing over and he basically the lawyer tries to her
words in her mouth. He's like, oh, so you're saying
she's fat, she's fat, and Cardi B's like, no, I
said she was And then and then he goes like, well,
how do you know she's bigger than you? And there's
this funny moment that you can't really see on a
(29:07):
podcast because you're listening to this. But after a while,
Cardi B and I how to answer the question. So
she just points really slowly to her own eyes yes,
and then points at the woman the security guard in
the crowd, who at this point I've got to assume
is rethinking the douation. And I'm like, ah, I took
things too far. I wish I hadn't done this. Yeah,
and then yeah, when she's like, I wasn't calling her fat,
(29:27):
I called her a bitch. Yeah, just to be clear,
Just to be clear, I did name call this woman.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But I think you know, these were obviously all being
set up.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
As we know, any lawyer would to try to frame
her as like having had an attitude or having called
this woman names, which might show that then it escalated
to violence. But like even just when they were asking
how she knew she was being filmed, right, she says
that she went in, security guard recognizes her, starts following her,
starts filming her. She asked them to stop. It escalates
to an altercation. Yeah, He's like, how did you know
she was filming? And Cardi demonstrates like holding up her phone.
(29:58):
She's like, well, she was standing around the corner from
me like this, She'd had it at her ear and
then she was holding it in front of me the
way you hold a phone when you film, and he's like,
but you didn't know, and she's like, well, I did
you know when someone's filming on you. So they were
just quite ridiculous questions obviously, and the courtroom giggling. I
didn't know you could giggle in court. Yeah. For a
while there, I had to have to watch a few
(30:18):
different videos because I was like, as again, I was
watching these clips all the time because they were just
going crazy on the internet and people were loving it.
But I thought someone had added a laugh track over
the top in one of the TikTok edits that I
was watching. I thought someone had added a laugh track
of her talking about the incident, and then I realized,
is the courtroom laughing, which again I also didn't know
(30:38):
was alloud but also funny? Is funny. One of the
funniest moments I do think is when she's being questioned
about why her own bodyguard security wasn't with her, and
she's like, oh, I didn't want that man to know
I was pregnant. She's like she's like, she was like, well,
I was going to a doctor for like my lady paths,
like I didn't want him to know. I don't want
him in my business. I don't want him to know
I was going to have a janaductor. She and fair,
(31:01):
so fair, and she was like, I think she called
him like her male colleague or colleague.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
She's like, I don't want that man in here with me.
Would Why would I? I'm like, fair point CARDI b Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
She's like, I was getting my cat checked, and the
lawyer's like, what she was, I was getting my cat checked.
Oh my gosh, her delivery is just her male colleague
who's her employee, but also calling him a colleagues very nice. Yes,
didn't want her him coming into obstetrician office with her,
And I say fair enough. So that I say fair enough,
I don't want any of you coming with me to
that appointment. To be honest, I don't want to come
(31:33):
just so you know you're on your own with that one.
We'll do those things separately. But I do think obviously
the like defining moment is when we have the third
party involved. Ye, the receptionist, Yes, yes, like so the
receptionist was also called to the stand. She also got
a lot of laughs. She must be flying high. He
needs to meet this whole thing into his name.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'm sure he's currently who will play this man.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
She plays herself. Oh my god, yes, she plays herself. Yes,
so the receptionist Tira obviously the only other person because
they've closed down the situation. Yeah, she got called to
the witness stand and she recounts, like her version hers
alignce with Carti's, which is that she saw the security
guard in front of Carti and then she saw that
there was like you know, yelling and escalation, and so
(32:20):
she rushed to get in between the two of them.
So she says that she was standing between the two
of them, she had her back to Cardi b and
she had her face towards the security guard being like
stop this, like let's not do this, and she says
they were both yelling. She gets asked, did she see
the security guard and Cardi hit each other? Did she
see Cardi scratch this woman? And there's just this really
(32:40):
funny line delivery where she was like there were I
think she says there were hands being thrown or punches
being thrown, but nothing landed, and everyone in the court
just like laughs because she's basically like no one could
punch for shit. That's just so funny. It kind of
makes me think of like big setup for a fight
like the end of Bridge Jones's Diary. Yeah, with Hugh
grand and Colin Firth. Yeah, with Hugo and Colin Firth,
(33:03):
where like it's also this big fight scene and then
neither of them can actually they're trying to kick each other,
trying to punch it. Neither it and can land and
like these this vibe. Except she's kind of clear that,
you know, in her opinion, Carti was just like back
away from me, Like it wasn't necessarily throwing hands, but
it was like talking with hands because you're mad. But
she does say that she did get she got scratched.
(33:24):
Oh that Cardi B got scratched. No, no, no, that
the receptionist got scratched.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
What So she says that I.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Do not know she was in the mix of getting scratched. Yeah.
So she said she suffered a cut to her forehead
during the incident, and it was pointed out by one
of the doctors to her. She didn't even notice in
the moment because it was just a scratch. And then
when she's asked who was it, she says, well, Cardi
B was behind me, so she can't have scratched my face.
So she's essentially saying the security guard scratch her face face,
(33:55):
and like the moment when she says that she goes
but she was behind me and then it was a
doctor on nurse who noticed her. She said she was
flabbergasted with the allegations that don't seem congruent to what
she saw that day. You see Cardie's lawyer smile when
they talk about this other scratch because he's like cool
love one. Yeah, Oh the scratch that ended, the true
scratch that ended the trioic piece of evidence, the scratch
(34:17):
against the receptionist stage. Wow, this is a real true
crime situation that I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, we need it, We need a podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Bring in TCC.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
TCC.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So, as they were escalating to the closing arguments on
the final day, you'd think that would be the most
heightened day for Cardi B because she's been in this trial.
She's been fighting this for years. I can't stress enough
how much the woman has had three children since this
has been so it's been so long she's been fighting this,
and her whole thing is like, I'm not giving this
woman the money. I didn't do it. I'm going to
stick to my guns. She's been coming into court every day,
(34:49):
pulling a look. She said she missed her child's first
and last days of school, which not great, huge yet huge.
And so you think when I was watching the footage
of them delivering closing arguments, that she would be like tense.
She'd be doing that thing like when we've seen like
Lindsay Lowan or Paris Hilton court back in the day.
They'd be like holding on to their lawyers and shaking
and crying. That's what I thought. And I was waiting
(35:10):
for the camera to go to her so I could
see this intense reaction closing arguments guilty not guilty. I
know that's not what we do with this courtcase, but
I'm just using those terms because that's the movie term. Yeah,
and camera goes to Cardi B. She's falling asleep. She's
had it. She can't do anymore. It's tired. She's so tired.
She's put on a show. She's had to explain to
(35:31):
this man what a wig is, what a wig is.
She said her forehead was hurting from the wig. Yeah,
my favorite part of the postpress. She's had to explain
all this stuff. That woman is exhausted. She's falling asleep
during closing arguments, and then she was found not liable
for all of it. And then she descends the court
room steps outside, and that's when we get another little treat,
(35:51):
and that's when we get more fun, because you know,
new Day, New Wig. She had her own lawyers laughing
in this inter Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, I swear to God, I will say it in
my dev be I did not touch that woman. I
know I got a little reputation, but I swear to God.
I'm mincing like like I'm really innocent for real. Let's
just put this behind. But I'm giving a warning. I
am not that's celeb that you're gonna sue and you
think it's gonna settle. I'm not gonna settle. The next
(36:18):
person to try to do a frivolous lawsuit against me,
I'm going to counter soon and I'm gonna make you pay.
It's been late nights and early five thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Morning.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You gotta get up five thirty so I can look
like this with y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Can I say?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Then?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
My forehead is raw from changing all these weeks. Raw,
raw raw raw.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I love that bit where she talks about the fact
that she doesn't lie in Beddle day and that's the lion.
She's like, I don't lie in Bettle day, therefore I'm
not paying out money to people who sue me. And
I was like, that's that's fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Famously hard work at Cardi B.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah no, and she's saying it there. It
also reminded me of like when Grenneth Paltrow sued the
man who were like the skiing Yeah, the skiing incident.
I mean, that's the best celebrity trial we've had in
a while. But her her thing was the same. She
was like, I have the money to give to this man, yeah,
but he's lying. Yeah, and so I will walk into
this courtroom every day, also pulling a very different to
Cardi B. I walk into this courtroom every day and
(37:14):
just to defend the fact that this man is trying
to steal from me. Essentially, so she could have had
this and she did. Cardi B had this beautiful moment
where she walked out of the courtroom looking again like
Leelee Brown, like Elle Woods. She's got the suit on,
she's got a beautiful wig on, and at the same
time she kind of finishes on a very dramatic note
because I know if you saw this clip just before
the press conference, she was going on the line of
(37:35):
because his fans like, because his court case has been
so famous, everyone's been watching the clips, so fans have
started lining the streets around the courtroom to meet Cardi
B on the way out. Why not?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
She's there, she looks great, she's photo ready.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You got the time.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And that was her whole thing. She didn't want to
be photographed without her hair and makeup done. So this
is the time to grab her because she's ready to
use victorious. So and she was being nice to fans.
She was going on the line, she was taking photos
of fans, she was signing autographs. She's having a great time.
And then this journalist comes over and starts asking her
if it's true that she's pregnant with her fourth child. Yeah,
with another guy that she's dating. She offset have broken up,
(38:12):
and she just gets as we know, she was tired,
she was falling asleep minutes ago. She's tired, she's angry.
She gets so angry she stays yelling at him, and
then she takes the marker off a fan that a
fan had given her, saying like, can you please sign
this to me and throws it directly at the me.
Not now like you just got to quit it of assault, gunny,
(38:33):
and then you're throwing a marker at a man on camera. Yeah,
I'm not saying that's going to lead to anything, but
it was an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, it was an interesting choice.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
And like I also, like I do want to say,
because people were analyzing obviously they've been analyzing this whole thing,
and they were analyzing how she wore her outfits and
like saying she was walking like a pregnant woman might walk,
like she was doing that little wattle a little bit.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Some people said, I'm like, sure it was in heels,
so who knows.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, well, her coming out of that courtroom in the
heels as me trying to walk in heels down a
flight of stairs. It's tough, terrifying, she's wobbling. I do too,
we all do. I can't even wear heels. But she
was being questioned about that on the internet, and then
it's not the moment to ask. It's maybe also not
the moment to throw a pen. No, I know, look
that that journalist to ask her, and I don't think
(39:14):
it was a jealous was like a Paparazia. It was
a different thing. Yeah, that person's trash, but also an
interesting choice to come out of being acquitted from assault
and then see that she's I'm learning this line and
I'm like, Candie, they could not be more cameras on her, Yeah,
because everyone's waiting for her statement after the court case.
And then she was like, you're so disrespectful whack And
(39:34):
I was like, soir she what did we just say? Yeah, So,
as far as I know, nothing's come from her. I
don't even know if the market hit it like the thing,
it's fine, But I'm just saying, what a time, What
a time to be Cardi B? What a time do
you want of Cardi B's wigs? Yes, just beautiful time
her now technician. Everyone's a winner, except that everyone's a winner,
accept the security garden. Also, whoever she threw a pen
(39:56):
at and whoever lost a pen? Yeah, and it's hard
to find. They are so hard to find. It could
be their favorite pen. Well, I'm sad it's over, but
I'm glad it happened. I'm glad it happened, and now
I need to go watch this video. Well, thank you
very much for joining us, for this very important and
hopefully educational episode of the Spill today. Don't forget to
follow the Spill on TikTok and Instagram. That's where we
(40:17):
post all of our amazing videos. Teina curates it and
she knows what's going on in the world. First edits galore,
you know what the people want, memes, mess traps, who
could slap people? It's always want to look at. So
The Spill is produced by minesha is Iswarren and we'll
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the slib headlines at eight am tomorrow with Morning Tea
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(40:38):
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