July 3, 2025 • 23 mins
On today’s show, we’re covering the verdict in Sean “Diddy” Combs’ trial. The hip-hop mogul was convicted on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution, while being acquitted of more severe charges like sex trafficking and racketeering.
Plus, Jennette McCurdy’s bestselling memoir I’m Glad My Mom Died is being adapted into a new series with Jennifer Aniston set to play the role of her controlling mother. McCurdy herself is co-writing and producing the series, which promises to delve deep into the dark side of child stardom.
And speaking of child stars, we’re taking a deep dive into the world of young fame, exploring the journeys of those who navigated the spotlight successfully and those who faced significant challenges. From the pressures of early fame to the support systems (or lack thereof) that can make or break a young actor, we’ll discuss the factors that influence these trajectories.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pub
culture fix. I'm m Verna Kitch and on the show
today a new TV show announcement based off a best
selling memoir that has everyone talking as well as conflicted.
But first we have some breaking news. Sean Diddy Combs
(00:46):
has been found not guilty of the most serious sex charges.
He was accused of the charges being sex trafficking and
racketeering that could have put him behind bars for life.
So he was found guilty of two of the five charges,
and the charges he was found guilty of is a
transportation of people for prostitution, which can have up to
(01:08):
a ten year maximum sentencing.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, so I wanted to kind of go through the
counts just because it sometimes can get a little bit
confusing when someone is on trial for multiple counts. So
count Wang was racketeering conspiracy. This is the most serious
charge and that was up to life in prison if
he was found guilty of that. That was the count
that the Jewelry were liberate. They were deliberating on that
(01:32):
for quite a while, So that particular charge he was
found not guilty. Count two was sex trafficking of Ventura,
which is Cassie, and that held a minimum of fifteen
years and a maximum of life in prison. He was
not guilty of that. The third count was transporting individuals,
including but not limited to Ventura Cassie to engage in prostitution,
(01:54):
a maximum sentence of ten years in prison. He was
found guilty of count three. Count four is sex trafficking
of Jane, which is a pseudonym, a minimum of fifteen
years and maximum of life in prison. Not guilty. Final
count was transporting individuals, including but not limited to Jane,
the pseudonym, to engage in prostitution, and that again is
(02:15):
a maximum of ten years in prison, and that he
was found guilty of.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah. Right, So Jane is another one of Sean Combs's
exes who has remained anonymous, which is why she's going
by Jane. But I think exactly what you were saying before.
Before we found out the verdict, it was made public
that the jurors told the judge that they came to
a decision for four out of the five counts and
(02:40):
the fifth count being the racketeering, which was the most
serious charge. So racketeering is generally referred to as the
illegal activity of a criminal organization, but the RICO Act
defines racketeering activity as any act or threat that involves
a bunch of different crimes like bribery, arson, extortion, kidnapping,
(03:01):
and murder. So in the terms of this case specifically,
the prosecution accused Combs of using his business to violently
coherce and black male women to perform sex acts, among
other criminal acts, which was one of the prosecution's biggest charge,
and that was what he was not found guilty of.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yes, so I think that Didy's team will be very
happy with this particular result. Sentencing is not going to
be happening until October. So did his team actually did
ask for him to be released on bail yeap during
this time because the charge that was the most serious
(03:40):
he was found not guilty of, meaning that he should
be allowed to go out of bail. However, the judge
did say he needs to say in prison until sentencing.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
US District Judge Arun Subramanian said it is impossible for
the defendant to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that
he poses no danger. Upon the verdict, Combs was seen
knelt before his chair, appearing to pray. He then rose
to the courtroom gallery and said, I'm going to be
home soon. I love you, thank you, I love you.
(04:11):
So before we heard the verdict, the jurors that were
made up of eight men and four women told the
court that they had agreed on four out of the
five charges, but were still undecided on the racketeering charge,
saying at the time we have jurors with unpersuadable opinions
on both sides. So at the spill, if you've been
a long time listener, we have been following the case
(04:32):
from beginning. It's been going on for several weeks now,
and if you are interested in knowing everything that's happened
during the testimony, everything that's happened in court, we will
put a link to all of our previous episodes where
we discussed all of that. So we know that the
sentencing will take place on October third. We don't know
(04:53):
what the sentence will be, obviously, but we will be
continuing to update with you with further information. Today we
are talking about kind of breaking news, kind of it
happened overnight.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, but we have a lot to say on this,
and we're all very excited in the office about this one.
This has been not something that I realize everybody loved,
but every one I've spoken to is now telling me
how much of a fan they are.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I am very, very excited, but I'm also a little
bit conflicted. It was announced that Jennifer Aniston is going
to start and executive produce the new Apple TV series,
which is based on Jeanette mccurty's best selling memoir I'm
Glad My Mom Died, Literally the best title of any
book ever. So it's going to be a ten episode
(05:40):
drama ed and it's going to be similar to the memoir.
So it's going to follow an eighteen year old actress,
we don't know who will be playing her yet, who
starts in a hit kids show, and a big plot
point of that is going to be the intertwining nature
of her very narissistic mother, which is who Aniston will
be playing.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So Jeanette is actually writing and show running this particular
series alongside Ari Catcher. I'm really excited about this. Now
I read the memoir. We're going to talk a little
bit about the book a little bit later. But it's
a really fantastically done memoir and I'm really excited to
see how they're going to turn this into a series.
(06:20):
We don't really know anything more about who might play it. Yeah,
but you are dropping a little bit of a hint.
Why are you conflicted?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Immediately when I saw the news, I was really excited
because if you haven't read the memoir, we one hundred
percent encourage you to. It's one of the books that
I always recommend to everyone. Also listening to the audio version, yeah,
because Jannette does voice it herself.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
The great thing about the audio book as well, it's
only six and a half hours, so yeah, it's actually
not that long. The book is relatively easy to get through,
so it's not a really you don't really have to
invest that much time into it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's absolutely gut wrenching like some of the stuff she
talks about in the memoir, but it's written so so well.
Like with some memoirs I feel like that are so
so sad and depressing you feel like you need to
take a holiday afterwards. And I'm like, it's really nice
if you're able to, because it's really the person who
went through all of that. I think she has such
(07:13):
beautiful storytelling, and because she is an actor, the audio
version of the memoir is just so pleasing to hear
because she does it just so so well.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
She's got a really wonderful sense of humor. It's very sardonic.
So the whole book is dark comedy. Again with the
audiobook version of it, the way that she talks, she
injects this humor. I'm glad my mom done. Even the
cover of the book where she's holding up the urn, yeah,
and like kind of smiling awkwardly. It's the way that
(07:46):
she does the audiobook is the tone is really dry, sarcastic, funny,
but then so dark.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah. It's very typical of the humor that a lot
of those Nickelodeon stars have now, like Josh Peck and stuff.
So I could see the Nickelodeon side of her come
out in like her natural humor. Now, the thing I'm
conflicted on is the choice of Jennifer Aniston to play
her mom. And that's not saying because I don't like
Jenef Aerson. I love Jennifer Aniston as an actor, but
(08:17):
I think she has always historically play a very likable character.
I do remember she was on this one movie called
Dumplin on Netflix, which is a brilliant movie where she
does play a troubled mom with narcissistic tendencies. But even
in that movie, you kind of come around to her
and you understand why she is the way she is,
And just from reading Jeanette's memoir, her mom is not
(08:42):
a person that you ever come around with. I do
feel like it will be a challenging role for Aniston
because I'm interested to see if she can play a
role where people just straight up don't like.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah. I think it's interesting because I think Jeanette McCurdy
is like I don't like my mom, that she doesn't
have any redeeming qualities. However, I've spoken to psychiatrists and
they said, even though they can't be certain because they
haven't spoken to her because she's passed away now, from
what I've told them about her, they think she had
nacissistic personalities, sort of bipolo disorder, So she was clearly
(09:14):
fairly troubled. Janet mccurty does say she doesn't want to
use mental health as an excuse, but I think that
there needs to be nuance in the character because if
we just hate her, there's no where for it to go. Like,
characters need to have that nuance, and I think Jennifer
Aniston will be able to even though we won't like her,
but at the end she will still have that charm.
(09:35):
Because she said her mom was charming.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, she was very charming, and I think that was
a big part of how Jeanette actually got into acting, right,
her mom was like the catalyst for all of that,
like pushing her into that role and charming producers, even
producers that Jeanette herself didn't like, and things like that,
which the memoir goes deep into it. But how did
you actually get into the memoir?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So I came into Jeanette's story. I listened to the
Louis Theory podcast, which is called the Louis Theory Podcast.
Back in twenty twenty two. He did an interview with
Jeanet mccurty when she was doing the book tour for
this particular book. So this book was released in August
of twenty two. Really dark comedy. Anyway, I listened to
the Louis Through podcast and I was like, this sounds
(10:21):
so fascinating. Went straight to the audiobook. Devoured it within
like two nights. I think I listened to it in
two nights. You know, by the time I was walking
or doing the cooking, or like going to work or whatever,
I was finished. And I just found it so fascinating.
It's interesting. She talks a lot about being a child star.
(10:42):
She talks a lot about how she doesn't know any
child star that's gone through it completely unscathed, which I
think is a really interesting point that, no matter what,
the whole nature of being a child star is in
itself damaging. One of the stories that I found the
most distressing was when she talked about the very first
(11:03):
time that she had a calorie deficit. Her mum told
her what a calorie deficit was. Now old, she was.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I can't, I'm like five or something.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Eleven years old. She started to feel like her little
butting breasts that's her. She was scared she had cancer.
So she went to her mom and her mom said, oh, no, darling,
those are your boobs. She said, she was so aware
of the fact that her mom wanted her to be
young because she was an older actor who looks younger,
which is really good for producers because it means they
(11:32):
could work longer hours, they better behaved, but that was
so tied up in her identity. To the age of eleven,
she started calorie restricting. We got a little bit of
a pace here from the Louis throu podcast that will
play for you.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So I went to this therapist and as I was
sharing anything, everything that I said, I was like giving
a disclaimer about my mom. Of course, we come to
the mom introducing me to cali restriction, and I said, well,
it's because she wanted me to do well. She was
actually doing this for a good reason. Like everything that
I said, I was trying to convince the therapist and
myself that it was of a pure motive. Eventually, a
(12:07):
couple sessions and she just goes, this is a abuse.
There's no other way of putting it. Like, there's no
way around it. This is abuseful. You said, in fact,
in the text or of the email, you have caused
my cancer to come back. You have to live with
this fact you gave me cancer.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
A part of me believe that that's a bit much.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
A part of me really did believe that. At the time,
I felt like, oh God, they do say stress causes cancer.
You know, I've caused her stress, Like I felt guilt
about it.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So it's really interesting that she didn't realize that her
mum was abusive until after her mum died.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I remember that so specifically in the memoir. And also,
like the calorie deficit thing that happened at such a
young age was the catalyst for what she says her
lifelong eating disorder up until that point, and it was
only I think her therapist was the person that kind
of made her realize what was happening and that she
was being abused and helped her get out of that.
(13:04):
But I think what was also really poignant in the
whole memoir was the love she had for her mum
and how her mom she felt like was the one
person that she could go to for everything and tell
everything too, and yet she always had this pull that
something just wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, some really inappropriate behavior between her mother and her.
There was a couple of stories about her showering her
until she was eighteen years old, like really inappropriate. And
then her mother was so obsessed and I think obsessed
is probably the right word, so obsessed with her that
she went on a holiday with her boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, she wasn't allowed to have boys.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
She wasn't allowed to have boyfriends. She didn't tell her mom.
She told her momma she was going with a gay friend.
Paparazzo took a photo of her. Yeah, and her mom
saw it, and her mum saw it, and her mom said,
you've caused my cancer to come back. You're going to
make me sick. Yeah, Like that level of manipulation is
(14:06):
a very narcissistic trait, but that level of manipulation from
her mother is just it's so horrific to think that
this poor girl had to go through all of this Nana.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And that was the other thing, Like her mom was sick,
which she mentions in the book, with cancer, And it
was the fear that McCurdy had on not only the
health issues within her family, but also she was like
one of the sole providers for her family. Like her
not getting a job didn't mean that she just didn't
(14:38):
get a job, but it meant that like her family
couldn't eat, It meant like a family could not have
a home. And it was the pressure that she had
that I felt like. She also talked in relation with
other coastars that in terms of like when she was
growing up, she would be in like all these child shows,
but a lot of her other coastars was like this
was like a bonus on everything else that they had.
(14:59):
And what I really liked about this memoir is that
she was able to lean on certain relationships. And I
remember she would talk about Miranda Cosgrove, who was her
coastar and the lead actor in I Carli, which is
like one of my favorite shows growing up.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I never watched it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Oh my god, it was so did you ever watch
Drake and Josh?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I did watch Drake and Josh. I'm a little bit
older than you, so like I was Amanda's show, Drake
and Josh, and then I probably outgrew Nickelodeon. And then
I think just as I was outgrowing it, that's when
Y Carli started.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, I was in the middle, So Drake and Josh
was my bread and butter.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Like I watched the Amanda Show, yes, yeah, but like.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Probably towards the end before it finished. But I love
the Amanda Show. And from the Amanda Show, they went
to Drake and Josh, like they would pick out stars
that were like the best of each show and just
continue them on. They just doing Yes, so Drake Bell
was like a big star in the Amanda Show, so
they did Drake and Josh. Miranda Cosgrove was a big
star in Drake and Josh, so they did I Carly,
and then Jenny McCurdy was a big star in IKRLI,
(15:58):
so they did Samakat with Ariana Grande. And that's kind
of like a method that Nickelodeon continues to do till
this day. But I Carly was like huge for me,
probably towards the end I'd outgrown it. But my sister generation,
she's about six years younger than me. I Carlie was
her favorite childhood show. And I think what was really
(16:18):
interesting about hearing her relationships with Miranda Cosgrove and Ariana
Grande on Sam and Kat was that she was very jealous,
which I'm sure any child star would be of their lives.
And she would say that Miranda Cosgrove was the friend
that I really needed, Like Miranda Cosgrove was so so
(16:39):
close with her, a bit different with Ariana Grande. With
Irina Grande, she had this jealousy that arian was becoming
this massive, massive pop star and also had allowance to
not have to be in certain episodes like She specifically
mentioned this one episode which I remember from watching Sam
and Kat, where Kat was stuck in a cardboard box
(16:59):
for the whole episode, and Jeannette said that she had
to act with essentially an empty cardboard box, literally acting
with the brick wall, because Irina Grande was actually off touring. Yeah,
and I performed at the MTVS.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah. It's interesting because she was saying she was talking
a little bit about how the Nickelodeon higher ups gave
Ariana Grind a lot of allowances that she didn't get,
so there was a little bit of jealousy in like,
which I think is natural in that kind of environment.
What I do want to talk about, because we've kind
of touched on it a little bit, is how these
child stars, a lot of them, have not been able
(17:32):
to come out unscathed. So trying that key line Jeanette
says in the Louis through into She's like, I've yet
to see one that has come out unscathed.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Which is really interesting because I think as an audience member,
I think I've seen child stars that have come out unscathed.
But I think Jeanette McCurdy is an example that you
don't see everything because she in my opinion, came out
unscathed from being a child actor. Like I hadn't seen
her in anything since Nickelodeon days, but in my head,
(18:06):
because she hasn't done something outrageous or something that was
like me worthy, I just assumed she was good. And
it was only upon reading the memoir did you realize
as a reader that she was suffering in silence that
whole period of her life during Nickelodeon, where you thought
she was like so on top of the game. You
never ever thought that there was something wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But I think that that's so key to the whole
There is a difference between you know, the Amanda Bynes
level crash out which people can't look away from, and
I think that you know, obviously we play into that
a lot and it is problematic, but you know, I
was such a huge fan of Amanda, Mine's incredibly talented
comedian actress when she was in her younger years on Nickelodeon.
(18:50):
I don't really know what's going on with her now,
but that's been a very public, i'm gonna say, quote
unquote public crash.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Out like Britney spears.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like Britney spears, you know, two thousand and seven Britney,
and then you've got people like Demi Lovado who also
had more public crash outs. But I think what's interesting
is when we talk about the child actors who maybe
did come through unscathed, people like Emma Watson.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh yeah, Emma Watson's a good one.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
She's a good one. She's an incredibly intelligent woman. But
I don't doubt she was affected by some of the
things that happened to her during the Harry Potter series.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And I don't think yeah, I think after reading this
memoir in particular, which is why I'm hoping when they
do make it into the television series, they don't skate
over her experience as a child actor and just talk
about the mum. That's what I get really scared of
when they do make like books that everyone loves into
(19:46):
television or movies, because you can't have everything in it
because it is a long piece of content. And I
have a feeling, because of the announcement of Jennifer Anson
being this massive a less celebrity acting as a mum,
that there's no way that they will pull from the
mom storyline to give onus on her experience as being
a child actor. As a standalone.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Well, it's interesting because they announced Jennifer Aniston first rather
than the person playing Genet Courage.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, they haven't announced anyone else in the cast.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's funny that you say that they don't have time,
but the series is going to be ten one hour episodes.
That audiobook's only six and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So do you think they will So I think.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They don't have enough time to get into those because
I want to see.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I want to see who will play the Ariana Grande,
who will play the Miranda Cosgo. I want to see
like those interactions on my screen because I think those interactions,
like you said about Emma Watson, we obviously haven't seen
anything in the public eye, but from reading this memoir
and hearing about all the stuff that she had to
go through as a child actor, not even in relation
(20:50):
with what her mum was putting her through, just seems
like such a wild thing for any child to go through.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I think the key thing here is being the breadwinner
of your family as a child is innately wrong. Yeah,
a child shouldn't have the pressure on them to provide
for their family, and there'd be the reason that there's
not food on the table and that's a lot of
the times when we see the issue because that puts
so much pressure on a child. And I think now
(21:19):
there are a lot more protections in place, particularly in California,
they have child acting laws. They've just come out with
all of those influencer laws in California. So any child
who is on like YouTube family shows and stuff, oh yeah,
a portion of that money has to be put in
a trust for the child.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, which I think is the same for like actors
in teach. So I think the rules that have been
in place for child actors who are on TV shows
and movies are now being transigend across to just children
who appear in like YouTube videos and tiktoks and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So that's those like child influencers, those family channels and stuff.
It's great that it's expanding into that because I think
that that's really important. But it was really interesting to
me how, yeah, that level of pressure to be the
breadwinner of your family is just that is going to
screw any body up. Yeah, your child, I know, you
(22:13):
don't meant to worry about that. And she was like,
I was so innately aware of the fact that I
was the one making money for our family, not just
her and her mum, her brother, her dad who isn't
her real dad. Yeah, which is another bomb that got
dropped on it. But anyway, look, we're very excited about it,
so go out and check it out. Is called I'm
Glad My Mom Died. You can either do an audiobook
(22:34):
of it or read it, but definitely well worth it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I would suggest listening to it because she's so well read,
and the way she reads her own words and the
way she does her mum's accent is just so like,
so so well done.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, it's great and it's a really easy listen.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We don't know much about the new show, but I
think it is very exciting. I'm really interested to see
how Jennifer Andison plays this role because it is such
an interesting role to play. Thank you so much for
listening to this Spill today. Do not forget to follow
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From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pub
culture fix. I'm m Verna Kitch and on the show
today a new TV show announcement based off a best
selling memoir that has everyone talking as well as conflicted.
But first we have some breaking news. Sean Diddy Combs
(00:46):
has been found not guilty of the most serious sex charges.
He was accused of the charges being sex trafficking and
racketeering that could have put him behind bars for life.
So he was found guilty of two of the five charges,
and the charges he was found guilty of is a
transportation of people for prostitution, which can have up to
(01:08):
a ten year maximum sentencing.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, so I wanted to kind of go through the
counts just because it sometimes can get a little bit
confusing when someone is on trial for multiple counts. So
count Wang was racketeering conspiracy. This is the most serious
charge and that was up to life in prison if
he was found guilty of that. That was the count
that the Jewelry were liberate. They were deliberating on that
(01:32):
for quite a while, So that particular charge he was
found not guilty. Count two was sex trafficking of Ventura,
which is Cassie, and that held a minimum of fifteen
years and a maximum of life in prison. He was
not guilty of that. The third count was transporting individuals,
including but not limited to Ventura Cassie to engage in prostitution,
(01:54):
a maximum sentence of ten years in prison. He was
found guilty of count three. Count four is sex trafficking
of Jane, which is a pseudonym, a minimum of fifteen
years and maximum of life in prison. Not guilty. Final
count was transporting individuals, including but not limited to Jane,
the pseudonym, to engage in prostitution, and that again is
(02:15):
a maximum of ten years in prison, and that he
was found guilty of.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah. Right, So Jane is another one of Sean Combs's
exes who has remained anonymous, which is why she's going
by Jane. But I think exactly what you were saying before.
Before we found out the verdict, it was made public
that the jurors told the judge that they came to
a decision for four out of the five counts and
(02:40):
the fifth count being the racketeering, which was the most
serious charge. So racketeering is generally referred to as the
illegal activity of a criminal organization, but the RICO Act
defines racketeering activity as any act or threat that involves
a bunch of different crimes like bribery, arson, extortion, kidnapping,
(03:01):
and murder. So in the terms of this case specifically,
the prosecution accused Combs of using his business to violently
coherce and black male women to perform sex acts, among
other criminal acts, which was one of the prosecution's biggest charge,
and that was what he was not found guilty of.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yes, so I think that Didy's team will be very
happy with this particular result. Sentencing is not going to
be happening until October. So did his team actually did
ask for him to be released on bail yeap during
this time because the charge that was the most serious
(03:40):
he was found not guilty of, meaning that he should
be allowed to go out of bail. However, the judge
did say he needs to say in prison until sentencing.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
US District Judge Arun Subramanian said it is impossible for
the defendant to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that
he poses no danger. Upon the verdict, Combs was seen
knelt before his chair, appearing to pray. He then rose
to the courtroom gallery and said, I'm going to be
home soon. I love you, thank you, I love you.
(04:11):
So before we heard the verdict, the jurors that were
made up of eight men and four women told the
court that they had agreed on four out of the
five charges, but were still undecided on the racketeering charge,
saying at the time we have jurors with unpersuadable opinions
on both sides. So at the spill, if you've been
a long time listener, we have been following the case
(04:32):
from beginning. It's been going on for several weeks now,
and if you are interested in knowing everything that's happened
during the testimony, everything that's happened in court, we will
put a link to all of our previous episodes where
we discussed all of that. So we know that the
sentencing will take place on October third. We don't know
(04:53):
what the sentence will be, obviously, but we will be
continuing to update with you with further information. Today we
are talking about kind of breaking news, kind of it
happened overnight.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, but we have a lot to say on this,
and we're all very excited in the office about this one.
This has been not something that I realize everybody loved,
but every one I've spoken to is now telling me
how much of a fan they are.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I am very, very excited, but I'm also a little
bit conflicted. It was announced that Jennifer Aniston is going
to start and executive produce the new Apple TV series,
which is based on Jeanette mccurty's best selling memoir I'm
Glad My Mom Died, Literally the best title of any
book ever. So it's going to be a ten episode
(05:40):
drama ed and it's going to be similar to the memoir.
So it's going to follow an eighteen year old actress,
we don't know who will be playing her yet, who
starts in a hit kids show, and a big plot
point of that is going to be the intertwining nature
of her very narissistic mother, which is who Aniston will
be playing.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So Jeanette is actually writing and show running this particular
series alongside Ari Catcher. I'm really excited about this. Now
I read the memoir. We're going to talk a little
bit about the book a little bit later. But it's
a really fantastically done memoir and I'm really excited to
see how they're going to turn this into a series.
(06:20):
We don't really know anything more about who might play it. Yeah,
but you are dropping a little bit of a hint.
Why are you conflicted?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Immediately when I saw the news, I was really excited
because if you haven't read the memoir, we one hundred
percent encourage you to. It's one of the books that
I always recommend to everyone. Also listening to the audio version, yeah,
because Jannette does voice it herself.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
The great thing about the audio book as well, it's
only six and a half hours, so yeah, it's actually
not that long. The book is relatively easy to get through,
so it's not a really you don't really have to
invest that much time into it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's absolutely gut wrenching like some of the stuff she
talks about in the memoir, but it's written so so well.
Like with some memoirs I feel like that are so
so sad and depressing you feel like you need to
take a holiday afterwards. And I'm like, it's really nice
if you're able to, because it's really the person who
went through all of that. I think she has such
(07:13):
beautiful storytelling, and because she is an actor, the audio
version of the memoir is just so pleasing to hear
because she does it just so so well.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
She's got a really wonderful sense of humor. It's very sardonic.
So the whole book is dark comedy. Again with the
audiobook version of it, the way that she talks, she
injects this humor. I'm glad my mom done. Even the
cover of the book where she's holding up the urn, yeah,
and like kind of smiling awkwardly. It's the way that
(07:46):
she does the audiobook is the tone is really dry, sarcastic, funny,
but then so dark.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah. It's very typical of the humor that a lot
of those Nickelodeon stars have now, like Josh Peck and stuff.
So I could see the Nickelodeon side of her come
out in like her natural humor. Now, the thing I'm
conflicted on is the choice of Jennifer Aniston to play
her mom. And that's not saying because I don't like
Jenef Aerson. I love Jennifer Aniston as an actor, but
(08:17):
I think she has always historically play a very likable character.
I do remember she was on this one movie called
Dumplin on Netflix, which is a brilliant movie where she
does play a troubled mom with narcissistic tendencies. But even
in that movie, you kind of come around to her
and you understand why she is the way she is,
And just from reading Jeanette's memoir, her mom is not
(08:42):
a person that you ever come around with. I do
feel like it will be a challenging role for Aniston
because I'm interested to see if she can play a
role where people just straight up don't like.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah. I think it's interesting because I think Jeanette McCurdy
is like I don't like my mom, that she doesn't
have any redeeming qualities. However, I've spoken to psychiatrists and
they said, even though they can't be certain because they
haven't spoken to her because she's passed away now, from
what I've told them about her, they think she had
nacissistic personalities, sort of bipolo disorder, So she was clearly
(09:14):
fairly troubled. Janet mccurty does say she doesn't want to
use mental health as an excuse, but I think that
there needs to be nuance in the character because if
we just hate her, there's no where for it to go. Like,
characters need to have that nuance, and I think Jennifer
Aniston will be able to even though we won't like her,
but at the end she will still have that charm.
(09:35):
Because she said her mom was charming.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, she was very charming, and I think that was
a big part of how Jeanette actually got into acting, right,
her mom was like the catalyst for all of that,
like pushing her into that role and charming producers, even
producers that Jeanette herself didn't like, and things like that,
which the memoir goes deep into it. But how did
you actually get into the memoir?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So I came into Jeanette's story. I listened to the
Louis Theory podcast, which is called the Louis Theory Podcast.
Back in twenty twenty two. He did an interview with
Jeanet mccurty when she was doing the book tour for
this particular book. So this book was released in August
of twenty two. Really dark comedy. Anyway, I listened to
the Louis Through podcast and I was like, this sounds
(10:21):
so fascinating. Went straight to the audiobook. Devoured it within
like two nights. I think I listened to it in
two nights. You know, by the time I was walking
or doing the cooking, or like going to work or whatever,
I was finished. And I just found it so fascinating.
It's interesting. She talks a lot about being a child star.
(10:42):
She talks a lot about how she doesn't know any
child star that's gone through it completely unscathed, which I
think is a really interesting point that, no matter what,
the whole nature of being a child star is in
itself damaging. One of the stories that I found the
most distressing was when she talked about the very first
(11:03):
time that she had a calorie deficit. Her mum told
her what a calorie deficit was. Now old, she was.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I can't, I'm like five or something.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Eleven years old. She started to feel like her little
butting breasts that's her. She was scared she had cancer.
So she went to her mom and her mom said, oh, no, darling,
those are your boobs. She said, she was so aware
of the fact that her mom wanted her to be
young because she was an older actor who looks younger,
which is really good for producers because it means they
(11:32):
could work longer hours, they better behaved, but that was
so tied up in her identity. To the age of eleven,
she started calorie restricting. We got a little bit of
a pace here from the Louis throu podcast that will
play for you.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So I went to this therapist and as I was
sharing anything, everything that I said, I was like giving
a disclaimer about my mom. Of course, we come to
the mom introducing me to cali restriction, and I said, well,
it's because she wanted me to do well. She was
actually doing this for a good reason. Like everything that
I said, I was trying to convince the therapist and
myself that it was of a pure motive. Eventually, a
(12:07):
couple sessions and she just goes, this is a abuse.
There's no other way of putting it. Like, there's no
way around it. This is abuseful. You said, in fact,
in the text or of the email, you have caused
my cancer to come back. You have to live with
this fact you gave me cancer.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
A part of me believe that that's a bit much.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
A part of me really did believe that. At the time,
I felt like, oh God, they do say stress causes cancer.
You know, I've caused her stress, Like I felt guilt
about it.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So it's really interesting that she didn't realize that her
mum was abusive until after her mum died.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I remember that so specifically in the memoir. And also,
like the calorie deficit thing that happened at such a
young age was the catalyst for what she says her
lifelong eating disorder up until that point, and it was
only I think her therapist was the person that kind
of made her realize what was happening and that she
was being abused and helped her get out of that.
(13:04):
But I think what was also really poignant in the
whole memoir was the love she had for her mum
and how her mom she felt like was the one
person that she could go to for everything and tell
everything too, and yet she always had this pull that
something just wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, some really inappropriate behavior between her mother and her.
There was a couple of stories about her showering her
until she was eighteen years old, like really inappropriate. And
then her mother was so obsessed and I think obsessed
is probably the right word, so obsessed with her that
she went on a holiday with her boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, she wasn't allowed to have boys.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
She wasn't allowed to have boyfriends. She didn't tell her mom.
She told her momma she was going with a gay friend.
Paparazzo took a photo of her. Yeah, and her mom
saw it, and her mum saw it, and her mom said,
you've caused my cancer to come back. You're going to
make me sick. Yeah, Like that level of manipulation is
(14:06):
a very narcissistic trait, but that level of manipulation from
her mother is just it's so horrific to think that
this poor girl had to go through all of this Nana.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And that was the other thing, Like her mom was sick,
which she mentions in the book, with cancer, And it
was the fear that McCurdy had on not only the
health issues within her family, but also she was like
one of the sole providers for her family. Like her
not getting a job didn't mean that she just didn't
(14:38):
get a job, but it meant that like her family
couldn't eat, It meant like a family could not have
a home. And it was the pressure that she had
that I felt like. She also talked in relation with
other coastars that in terms of like when she was
growing up, she would be in like all these child shows,
but a lot of her other coastars was like this
was like a bonus on everything else that they had.
(14:59):
And what I really liked about this memoir is that
she was able to lean on certain relationships. And I
remember she would talk about Miranda Cosgrove, who was her
coastar and the lead actor in I Carli, which is
like one of my favorite shows growing up.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I never watched it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Oh my god, it was so did you ever watch
Drake and Josh?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I did watch Drake and Josh. I'm a little bit
older than you, so like I was Amanda's show, Drake
and Josh, and then I probably outgrew Nickelodeon. And then
I think just as I was outgrowing it, that's when
Y Carli started.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, I was in the middle, So Drake and Josh
was my bread and butter.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Like I watched the Amanda Show, yes, yeah, but like.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Probably towards the end before it finished. But I love
the Amanda Show. And from the Amanda Show, they went
to Drake and Josh, like they would pick out stars
that were like the best of each show and just
continue them on. They just doing Yes, so Drake Bell
was like a big star in the Amanda Show, so
they did Drake and Josh. Miranda Cosgrove was a big
star in Drake and Josh, so they did I Carly,
and then Jenny McCurdy was a big star in IKRLI,
(15:58):
so they did Samakat with Ariana Grande. And that's kind
of like a method that Nickelodeon continues to do till
this day. But I Carly was like huge for me,
probably towards the end I'd outgrown it. But my sister generation,
she's about six years younger than me. I Carlie was
her favorite childhood show. And I think what was really
(16:18):
interesting about hearing her relationships with Miranda Cosgrove and Ariana
Grande on Sam and Kat was that she was very jealous,
which I'm sure any child star would be of their lives.
And she would say that Miranda Cosgrove was the friend
that I really needed, Like Miranda Cosgrove was so so
(16:39):
close with her, a bit different with Ariana Grande. With
Irina Grande, she had this jealousy that arian was becoming
this massive, massive pop star and also had allowance to
not have to be in certain episodes like She specifically
mentioned this one episode which I remember from watching Sam
and Kat, where Kat was stuck in a cardboard box
(16:59):
for the whole episode, and Jeannette said that she had
to act with essentially an empty cardboard box, literally acting
with the brick wall, because Irina Grande was actually off touring. Yeah,
and I performed at the MTVS.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah. It's interesting because she was saying she was talking
a little bit about how the Nickelodeon higher ups gave
Ariana Grind a lot of allowances that she didn't get,
so there was a little bit of jealousy in like,
which I think is natural in that kind of environment.
What I do want to talk about, because we've kind
of touched on it a little bit, is how these
child stars, a lot of them, have not been able
(17:32):
to come out unscathed. So trying that key line Jeanette
says in the Louis through into She's like, I've yet
to see one that has come out unscathed.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Which is really interesting because I think as an audience member,
I think I've seen child stars that have come out unscathed.
But I think Jeanette McCurdy is an example that you
don't see everything because she in my opinion, came out
unscathed from being a child actor. Like I hadn't seen
her in anything since Nickelodeon days, but in my head,
(18:06):
because she hasn't done something outrageous or something that was
like me worthy, I just assumed she was good. And
it was only upon reading the memoir did you realize
as a reader that she was suffering in silence that
whole period of her life during Nickelodeon, where you thought
she was like so on top of the game. You
never ever thought that there was something wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But I think that that's so key to the whole
There is a difference between you know, the Amanda Bynes
level crash out which people can't look away from, and
I think that you know, obviously we play into that
a lot and it is problematic, but you know, I
was such a huge fan of Amanda, Mine's incredibly talented
comedian actress when she was in her younger years on Nickelodeon.
(18:50):
I don't really know what's going on with her now,
but that's been a very public, i'm gonna say, quote
unquote public crash.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Out like Britney spears.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like Britney spears, you know, two thousand and seven Britney,
and then you've got people like Demi Lovado who also
had more public crash outs. But I think what's interesting
is when we talk about the child actors who maybe
did come through unscathed, people like Emma Watson.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh yeah, Emma Watson's a good one.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
She's a good one. She's an incredibly intelligent woman. But
I don't doubt she was affected by some of the
things that happened to her during the Harry Potter series.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And I don't think yeah, I think after reading this
memoir in particular, which is why I'm hoping when they
do make it into the television series, they don't skate
over her experience as a child actor and just talk
about the mum. That's what I get really scared of
when they do make like books that everyone loves into
(19:46):
television or movies, because you can't have everything in it
because it is a long piece of content. And I
have a feeling, because of the announcement of Jennifer Anson
being this massive a less celebrity acting as a mum,
that there's no way that they will pull from the
mom storyline to give onus on her experience as being
a child actor. As a standalone.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Well, it's interesting because they announced Jennifer Aniston first rather
than the person playing Genet Courage.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, they haven't announced anyone else in the cast.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's funny that you say that they don't have time,
but the series is going to be ten one hour episodes.
That audiobook's only six and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So do you think they will So I think.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They don't have enough time to get into those because
I want to see.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I want to see who will play the Ariana Grande,
who will play the Miranda Cosgo. I want to see
like those interactions on my screen because I think those interactions,
like you said about Emma Watson, we obviously haven't seen
anything in the public eye, but from reading this memoir
and hearing about all the stuff that she had to
go through as a child actor, not even in relation
(20:50):
with what her mum was putting her through, just seems
like such a wild thing for any child to go through.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I think the key thing here is being the breadwinner
of your family as a child is innately wrong. Yeah,
a child shouldn't have the pressure on them to provide
for their family, and there'd be the reason that there's
not food on the table and that's a lot of
the times when we see the issue because that puts
so much pressure on a child. And I think now
(21:19):
there are a lot more protections in place, particularly in California,
they have child acting laws. They've just come out with
all of those influencer laws in California. So any child
who is on like YouTube family shows and stuff, oh yeah,
a portion of that money has to be put in
a trust for the child.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, which I think is the same for like actors
in teach. So I think the rules that have been
in place for child actors who are on TV shows
and movies are now being transigend across to just children
who appear in like YouTube videos and tiktoks and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So that's those like child influencers, those family channels and stuff.
It's great that it's expanding into that because I think
that that's really important. But it was really interesting to
me how, yeah, that level of pressure to be the
breadwinner of your family is just that is going to
screw any body up. Yeah, your child, I know, you
(22:13):
don't meant to worry about that. And she was like,
I was so innately aware of the fact that I
was the one making money for our family, not just
her and her mum, her brother, her dad who isn't
her real dad. Yeah, which is another bomb that got
dropped on it. But anyway, look, we're very excited about it,
so go out and check it out. Is called I'm
Glad My Mom Died. You can either do an audiobook
(22:34):
of it or read it, but definitely well worth it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I would suggest listening to it because she's so well read,
and the way she reads her own words and the
way she does her mum's accent is just so like,
so so well done.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, it's great and it's a really easy listen.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We don't know much about the new show, but I
think it is very exciting. I'm really interested to see
how Jennifer Andison plays this role because it is such
an interesting role to play. Thank you so much for
listening to this Spill today. Do not forget to follow
us on TikTok at the Spill podcast.
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