April 15, 2025 • 31 mins
On the show today, news of a Pride and Prejudice remake coming to Netflix has reached our ears and people are losing their minds at the casting (including us).
Plus, fans are fuming at a survey distributed by Travis Kelce’s podcast that references Taylor Swift. But we’re less invested in that ‘scandal’ and more interested in why the world’s most famous woman has gone into hiding.
And The Kardashians is over for another year, but the latest season of the reality show has left a bad taste in the mouths of some diehard fans. The Kardashians are more famous than ever before, so let's talk about what’s really driving this perceived downfall.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I'm Cassane Lukitch and coming.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Up on the show today, the Kardashians had finished their
latest reign of TV Terror. I guess some would say
their latest season of the Kardashians, and there are some
questions about their fame level the show continuing. We actually
have some answers about that. We've delved deep behind the scenes.
I have a lot of thoughts, so many thoughts. Also,
Travis Kelcey, I feel like we haven't heard that name
(00:53):
for a while.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, Taylor and Travis laying a bit low, which is
unusual for a Taylor romance.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, so they've gone into hiding. Some would say, We've
got some thoughts on that. Plus, something that was released
on Travis Kelsey's podcast has angered the Swifties. We're getting
it into that. But first, probably the most important news
of the week.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I love this. I'm actually really really excited about this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So I'll try and let my inner fan girl stay
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So for those of you who are Jane Nelston fans,
Netflix are releasing a Pride and Prejudice series. It's gonna
be a six part series and they have just announced
the casting. Jack Loudon is mister darsty emmacorran as Elizabeth
Bennett and they were actually in The Crown and they
played a very young lady Die. And then we also
(01:40):
have Olivia Coleman as Missus Bennett, and Olivia Coleman is
like one of my all time favorites name. And the
thing that I'm actually the most excited about is the
fact that Dolly Alderton is writing the series. Yes, are
you familiar with Dolly Olderton?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, only in the sense that I am such a fangle.
I've read all her work. I decorated my apartment to
look like hers, and I have a rule about not
interviewing anyone who I'm truly obsessed with, so I've had
to duck out quite a few interviews with her. So
I guess I know her a little bit. Yeah, I
don't know. Maybe I'm so cool.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, Dolly Olderton. If you haven't listened have you
listened to sen Mental garbage.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's only my entire life.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, we've never spoken about it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I have the merchant.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I love sentimental marbage. That's where I was first introduced
to her. But her first book that she wrote was
Everything I Know about Love, So she really is kind
of a carry Bradshaw of the modern era. So it's
like the perfect person to rewrite Pride and Prejudice. Now,
what she has said is that Jane Nelson's Pride and
Prejudice is a blueprint for romantic comedy. It's been a
(02:37):
joy to deelve back into the page just to find
both familiar and fresh ways of bringing this beloved book
to life. Now, the thing I love about this is
that it is going to be true to the original
source material, so we are going to be set in
the early nineteenth century. But I think that because Dolly
Alderton's writing it, I think some of that whip smart
comedy will be really a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And yes, absolutely so. She is like quite well versed
in adapting written works, so she adapted her book Everything
I Know about Love, which I want to out myself
as a basic bit. But I love it. I have
it in my desk story here at Moama because I
lent it to so many women. I have my copy
at home and the copy I learned out to people.
She adapted that book into a TV series which is
on stand now. It's incredible she's written other books. I
(03:22):
think a lot of people fell in love with her
on the High Low, which was one of the first big,
you know, worldwide podcasts to break out, and what she
said about adapting Pride and Prejudice, because as much as
everyone loves Dolly Alderton, it is a bit of a
tricky path because Pride and Prejudice is such a beloved
story and everyone has very strict ideas of what they
think the story should be and how it should roll out.
(03:43):
And I love that Dolly kind of acknowledged that in
her announcement where she said, each generation, someone new gets
to tell this story. And I'm really excited to try
my hand at the ultimate romantic comedy, which is very
much what Pride and Prejudice is.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And the fact that it has been this has been
adapted so many times. Yes, we've got TV series obviously.
The one that probably most people would know is the
Cure Knightley version.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Is it the one people?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, isn't the Colin Firth series.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Sorry, I don't mean to get emotional, but the thing is,
you can't say the words I would whisper these. This
is like saying beetlejuice multiple times in the mayor office.
Don't say Pride and prejudice because it's the only time
our staff have proper fights. Because everyone has their pride
and we're all really cool, by the way, and fun
to hang out with. It's the only time our staff
get into proper fights because everyone has their version of
(04:31):
Pride and Prejudice that they think is the best one,
and all the others are trash.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Which is your favorite?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's obviously the nineteen ninety five version the series. It's
the BBC adaptation with Jennifer Eel as Elizabeth Darcy Colin
Firth as mister Darcy. It won so many awards. It's
the one that stays most true to the book, and
I just think it's the ultimate.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, but won a bunch of oscars. I was dominated
for a bunch of it's.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
They were coasting on the source material. Look, I know
for a lot of people. I know for a lot
of people that the two thousand and five Kurreen Knightley
version with Matthew McFadden as mister Darcy is their version.
And look, I did watch it once because I didn't
want to rubbish something I hadn't seen. And if that's
your version, that's okay, that's between you and your god.
But for other people, it's the BBC, and there was one.
(05:18):
I mean, there's so many adaptations. For some people, it's
the nineteen eighty version.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
There's even like, you know, the Bridget Jones's Diaries, Yeah,
kind of an adaptation.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, it is, you know Page for Paige. Adaptations got
the exact same plot, twist, the same caricatures, and they
went so far as to bring what I would say,
mister Darcy into play mister Darcy. So that's what actually
people are upset about with this new adaptation. So people
love that Netflix are doing it because they feel like
it's time for a new generation to find their version
(05:47):
so we can keep having this fight forever. So people
love that Dolly is doing it. They love that Olivia
Coleman is playing Missus Bennett because I feel.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Like she loved Olivia Coleman and she was born.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
To play Missus Bennett. I was like, hasn't she already
done much.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, and that's the thing I was actually looking. I
was like, she not done Pride and Prejudice, but she
did The Favorite, which is obviously, yes, a period Olivia
Commen does a lot of period paces Favorite. She's done
The Crown like she is kind.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Of She's got the Missus Bennett Viabe down.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
She's well versed in that area, so I think she's
just the perfect casting for that. Emma Corn, I think
it's going to be interesting and interesting that as much.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I see it more after Nosferatu, which I know is
a plot twist, I'm sure people would think The Crown.
They were amazing as Princess Diana. They also just show
they can kind of do anything by starring in Deadpool
and Wolverine.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
They are definitely very talented. There's absolutely no question about it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's the mister Darcy casting that has people.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He's not even that red. So the whole thing is
that it is because he's a redhead, he can't play
mister Darcy. But my thing is like, why does that matter?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
He's not even that red. I love that. We'll just
like he's not We'll just debate the redness of his
hair around him, whether he's hot or not. No, Jack Clauden,
I think is an interesting choice. He also is like
mostly a stage actor, but he's done movies like Warren
Peace and Mary Queen of Scott's where he met his
now wife, Sir Sharonett. And I just think they're they're
married and married. They don't talk about it too much.
(07:13):
They just confirmed that they got married in the last
few years in Edinburgh, but they've been together for a
long time. And I think if he's hot enough for
Sersha Roden, he's hot enough for the rest of us. Also,
I wouldn't love someone trying to mimic Colin Firth, like
it's already kind of become a little bit of like
a pop culture joke and a fun way. Like in fact,
in the latest adaptation of Bridget Jones, Leo Woodall, who
is you know, the young hot guy who's hooking up
(07:35):
with Bridget after Colin Firth's character has died, does an
homage to his most iconic moment from Pride and Prejudice
where he jumps into the lake and pulls off his
wet shirt, and so that has almost become a parody now.
So I feel like if you do the same thing.
It's going to feel really diluted, like everyone's just trying
to mimic Colin Firth.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I think also as well. I mean, I know mister
Darcy is meant to be this the love he is,
the protagonist love interest. He's also supposed to be a
little bit annoying in the beginning. Well that's the thing,
I know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's that's the part of it exactly. Pride and Preduss
is the ultimate enemies to love Us story, which is
my favorite rom com trope. And I think that Jack
Laddin gives off this like very aloof ruguish kind of
demeanor along with being a really sexy redhead, and I
just think it's time for a redheaded mister Darcy. I
think that's what That's what Netflix is going to be,
like their point of difference.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I like it. I'm into it. So they starting filming
later on this year and Netflix haven't announced a specific
release date, but it's looking like either the end of
this year or early next year.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So once upon a time, well pretty much in the
last year or so, you couldn't open Instagram TikTok magazines
if you were still buying them without seeing Taylor Swift
and Travis Kelce just plastered everywhere, and most of us
welcome this because it was this kind of fun love
story of you know, the popular girl in high school
falling in love with the jock and having this whole,
big public romance. And the last time we really saw
(08:58):
them was at the super Bowl this year, but it
wasn't quite the kind of fairy tale that the first
super Bowl they had when they were together. You know,
when she was like up watching the stands with Blake Live.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, with all the bangles, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, that was a real choice. And we saw Taylor
when Travis Kelsey's team one run down to the field
may have this epic kiss. It felt like the end
of a movie. Whereas this year Travis Kelsey's team lost,
he was pictured like looking quite sad and distressed about it.
Taylor Swift was seen with his parents jumping into a
car and speeding away from the venue. And we really
haven't seen much of them since, which I guess is
(09:30):
to be expected because he's in the off season from football.
She's finished touring, finished her latest album released. She was
kind of just everywhere, and now they've gone into hiding,
so their names haven't been in the news cycle until
this week when the podcast that Travis Kelcey host with
his brother Jason kelce called New Heights put out a
little questionnaire to their audience, which most podcasts do. They
(09:51):
put out a questionnaire to sort of see what you
want more of, what keeps you there, what you don't want,
to see why you're there, yes, exactly, to get some
audience feedback. And so this questionnaire was released by The
Wondering Network, which hosts the podcast. And again it's very
basic podcasting stuff. And I should say that this Kelsey
brothers podcast was already quite popular before he started dating
(10:14):
Taylor Swift in twenty twenty three, but obviously when their
relationship became public, the numbers and interest in this podcast
absolutely skyrocketed. I do know women who didn't even know
football existed, no shade to that. I barely don't exist
as well. Now I don't who would listen to this
podcast because Travis would drop little you know, he talked
about his life and Taylor's part of his life, so
we drop little tidbits. So the questionnaire came out and
(10:34):
the Swifties are not happy because you can go through
and tick what brings you to the podcast. So there's
options like, I was drawn to the football specific commentary,
not me, but others might be. Or I'm drawn to
the Kelsey family dynamic because obviously they share a lot
about their family and Jason shares about his wife who
people love, and their kids and all that sort of stuff.
Or you could tick this option, which read I was
(10:55):
drawn to the prospect of hearing details and clues about
Taylor Swift's life and her relationship with Travis. Or you
could also tick I like feeling like part of a
community that supports Taylor's happiness outside of her music. Now
that all sounds very very nice, right.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yes, what do you think about that? I actually just.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Think it's fine. I should say what a lot of
the Swifties have written as this has been shared. They've
said it's gross, they said it's tasteless. They think that basically,
they're trying to say that the chasing are clout tracing
and they're trying to cash in on Taylor Swift's fame.
Now I'm not even sure that the Kelsey brothers would
know this questionnaire went out right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That was going to be my first point. So for
people who don't know a podcast has produced, they have
a marketing team, and a podcast like that, particularly backed
by someone like Wandery, will have a massive team behind them.
I'm very, very very highly doubt that Travis and Jason
are sitting there writing this questionnaire.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, exactly, Otherwise that would be very hand.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
It is not likely that that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I just think it's more interesting, whether it's the Kelsey
brothers or their podcast team, how aware they are of
the Taylor Swift effect, which of course they would because
you know, with podcasts you get your daily numbers, and
they would have seen their number skyrocket as soon as
he mentioned that he was going to give her a
friendship bracelet at her concert. What I kind of thought
was more interesting that they think that this is so
much the public domain, that people are so invested in
(12:20):
their relationship that it would be okay to put this
like I'm sure they never thought there'd be any backlash
to this, because it looks like they're supporting Taylor Swift
through the questionnaire, like it's such an innocent thing. But
I think it just goes to show how intense her
fandom is, and also the fact that Taylor and Travis
appear to have disappeared that I feel like people are
almost grasping for anything to do with them.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I think it's also really important to note that just
because the majority of people in our world didn't know
who Travis and Jason Kelcey were, your sports bros. Yeah,
like they were very, very big before he started dating
exactly before started dating Taylor. Like, there is nothing about
(13:02):
this that people who are new to the podcast, maybe
they did start listening because of the Taylor Swift relationship. Absolutely,
that podcast, as you said, was very popular beforehand. They
had an audience. I don't think that clout chasing is
right because they've already got enough clout from their people. Yeah. Yeah,
(13:22):
the sports bros.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's some accurate market data of like how many clips
they should be releasing of Taylor Swift. What I find
more interesting than this little questionnaire coming out into the
world and there's like handful of people. I'm sure you know,
they're always the loudest of people who are upset about it.
What I find more interesting is the mechanics of Taylor
Swift and Travis staying out of the public eye, because
it does feel like they've had to put a lot
(13:45):
of planning into not being seen for such an extended
period of time, because even though they're not working usually
when they have like their little breaks between touring or
football and stuff, they're always seen, like you know, on
the streets of New York and going to dinner and
going to like different events and things. And it seems
that they've put this plan in place, which we know
celebrities can get around without being seen if they want to,
(14:06):
but they've gone to these extreme levels to never be
seen at dinner, never be seen on their whole day,
has never been seen in the streets, or their cars
are not seen going in and out their properties for
such long time. It really does feel like they've dropped
off the face of the earth. And I guess some
people are tying it to the whole Blake Lively thing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that is probably something that's quite plausible, to
be honest. I mean, she may just want to step
back and kind of take a little moment, you know.
A source speaking to Page six said that Swift and
Kelsey are just enjoying an escape, which I think is
also reasonable. They said, the insider I'm using inverted comments
because we never know if these insiders are real people.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It's not a page six somehows, yeah, they talk to someone,
but no offense page six.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It could be a fabricy like there's who knows what
this insider or this source is that there's not a
lot there. But you know, maybe they're just a home relaxing.
Maybe they're just chilling out, or maybe they're broken up
and everything's about to explodes.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Oh my god. I mean that would have great content
for us, but not good for the rest of the
world who would have to take time off. What I
think is what contributed to it is a little bit
potentially of that whole Blake Lively situation, because as we know,
it's kind of died down for the moment because the
trial is still over a year away. But with the
whole thing of Blake Lively putting out those allegations against
Justin Baldoni and then suing him, and then him countersuing her,
(15:20):
and him building a whole website to pull this information
about her, Taylor Swift is named in all of that.
It came out that Taylor Swift was upset about that
and that they weren't speaking anymore. But then recent stories
that have popped up have said that the two are
very much in contact and a friend still, which I
thought was the case, but I think it's more interesting
that all of these articles that their friendship is okay,
(15:41):
all of these like mentions have started to pop up
everywhere because as we know, Likelif's publicist Tree Paine, who
works harder than anyone else in the world, and I
think it's the most powerful person in the world that's
not even a joke, is always out there pulling leavers, moving,
you know, different things around, getting people to mention things,
bearing stories. And if that's the main story we're seeing
about Taylor Swift at the moment, it must because she
(16:02):
and her team want that to be the main story.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, I think as well. I mean, Taylor is one
of the people who I like to describe as a
love hard person. Some people are a little bit more private,
and this is not a criticism at all, but some
people just love really hard and want that PDA and
out with their partners. We know every single relationship because
she is a love hard kind of person. So the
(16:28):
fact that it's dropped off, I think that's why people
have just sort of gone, oh, what's going on here,
because that doesn't seem a lot like her. But you're right,
maybe this is a pr move. Let's lay low, let
this lively stuff just sort of settle down. Also, the
sports bros when they lose, when their teams lose, they
can give it very sad.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I know, well, yeah, it really an emotional time.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Maybe he's just sad and he doesn't want to be
out and about.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah. I think basically he's in the off season. I
think she knows how visible she's been, and now she's
plotting new music and she knows that the world she
means plotting writing same thing for her. She's putting together
like new music and that's going to kind of burst
onto the world stage soon. Then she's going to be everyone.
So she's just taking some time out of the spotlight.
But until then, fill in the Kelsey Brothers survey if
(17:15):
you want to. I guess I have it. Maybe I will,
I'll teck. Have you ever listened to it? No? No,
I've listened to some sections. Again a basic bitch. I've
listened to the tailsift sections when we've been reporting on it.
But I can't say I'm like a die hard Kelsey
Brothers fan. But I think they're fine.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
But this is why they need to do this fact.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I need to see who's listening to the right.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Well, I won't, I won't muck around and tick. I'm
here for football, I'll tick, I'm here for tailerstift. So
they're getting the right data.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
As a podcast to yourself, Laura Broadband, No you do
not the Smirch today.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I know they're pretty much our colleagues.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yes, exactly. Okay, So Season six of the Kardashians has
just finished. They just had this season finale, and I've
got a couple of thoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
You've got some feedback, so want some feedback, friendly feedback, now,
just a little.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Bit of a history, A little bit of a history.
Lesson here. Keeping Up with the Kardashians two thousand and
seven to twenty twenty one on the E network, which
I'm familiar with. Then after twenty twenty one they moved
across to Hulu and in Australia it's on Disney Plus.
So they're on season six of the Kardashians, which is
not called Keeping Up with the Kardashians, So if you're
(18:25):
not familiar with that, it is two separate shows. Yes.
My thoughts, however, are that I feel like the show
has now gone on for so long it has lost
its spark. Interesting, now we know why they do this show. Primarily,
they're doing this show to promote all of their products,
(18:46):
whether it's perfumes, whether it's you know, skims and Nike
doing this multimillion dollar deal, whether it's a makeup, whatever
they're doing, that is what they primarily use this show for.
But I feel like in the climate of today, people
are no longer as interested in what they're doing in
(19:08):
their day to day lives, and I think there's a
couple of reasons for that. One of the reasons, I
think first is that one, they've become more guarded because
they're wanting to protect certain parts of their lives because again,
they've been followed around by cameras since two thousand and seven,
that's a really long time. And then the other thing
(19:28):
that I think it is is that people just aren't
as interested in it anymore. And we know that because
the ratings are significantly lower and they're just taking each season.
They are not getting the same amount of eyeballs on
the show as they used to. Now, they haven't released
the actual numbers for this season six yet, but the
(19:50):
general consensus is that the ratings are trending downwards now.
Apparently Chris jan now you know our original mom and
Jar is like frantically behind the scenes trying to make
sure that all of her daughters are still keen on
doing this because she knows how much of a cash
cow it is. There are some reports that a lot
of the girls just don't want to be doing it anymore.
(20:12):
They don't want to be sharing their lives like this anymore. Also,
I feel like because when they've released the show, these
are things that have happened like four months prior, so
it's already been in the news cycle, it's already been
on TikTok, it's already been on Instagram. People kind of
already know what the story is. There's not that much
new information that gets let out. And I think one
(20:35):
of the most interesting one was Kylie Jenner walked in
the Kopeni show at Fashion Weg and she did this
whole vlog on it on her TikTok. They used that
footage in the episode of The Kardashians Like nothing new
about it, so it's almost just like a rehash of
(20:55):
something that we've already seen, and people like, what's the
point of this now.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I mean this season in particular felt very different and
not even so much like if the ratings are down,
I know, like wholy. Because I'm not a network television
station or anything like that, they don't have to share
the actual numbers. But it did feel like it wasn't
getting as much media attraction and attention and conversation as
previous seasons have. And I don't think that's to do
with the fact that people aren't invested in the Kardashians anymore.
(21:21):
I think that people are super invested in their personal lives,
but they just don't want to share their personal lives
on camera. All the majority of them don't, And so
instead of the storylines being about these huge things happening
in their life, because when the Kardashians started, so when
they ended Keeping Up and they went into the Kardashians,
it had this really new fresh feeling, I thought, and
people because they'd been off screens for a little bit,
(21:43):
people were really hungry. Yeah, and people again like me,
I watched them, I'm not embarrassed, were really hungry to
see inside their lives. And those first few seasons gave
us all these big moments you had, like Kim's big
personal breakdown with Kanye. Even though Pete Davidson wasn't on
the show, you were getting all these bits and pieces
about her talking about dating Pete Davidson, and he was
always in the background, or he was in the metgala,
(22:04):
jumping in the shower with her. We had the Marilyn
Munro dress with Chloe. We had her finding out that
the man you just decided to have a baby with
was having a baby with someone else. You had Courtney
falling in love with Travis and their big wild romance
and their wedding and their baby, like it was all
this stuff, and it was like there was almost like
you felt like so much was being left out because
there was so much, you know, storyline that were cramming
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into these little episodes. But as the seasons has gone on,
they've started showing less and less, and the fact that
they don't want to film has become a storyline which
I find really boring, Like the fact that Kylie Jenna
doesn't want to be there, and she'll get on a
plane and then say that she feels as the plane's
going to go down, so she'll leave, And I'm like,
but you just like your family on there like that episode,
and Courtney not want to show her family, like we
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never see Kendall. They only pop up with these little
talking heads, and that's not enough to sustain a TV show.
So I feel like that's where the interest is not
in them, it's in how the show's being done. But
what's really interesting is that I still think that Kim
Kardashian is the most famous of all of them, and
she gives the most, which is interesting because you think
the most famous person would be the one who was
pulling back.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Do you know what's interesting that just from the feedback
that I see on socials, the general consensus for me
is that they're not relevant. That's what I see a
lot of, and maybe that's just my algorithm. Again, this
is not a cut ash in hating thing. I was
like a huge fan. I've interviewed a lot of them,
like I do.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Was the best one to interview Chloe? Yeah? The Taittius Chloe. Yes,
we'll just do this now as the podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Okay, So Chloe was great. Chloe was amazing. She's just
like super entertaining. I didn't do Chris. I've never done Chris.
I did Courtney and Chloe together. Courtney was fine. Kim
was like the most media trained, like had perfect answer
for everything.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That is a machine.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
She was so protected she knew exactly what she was
going to say. She would not let you behind her
facade for even a second. And then Kendall and Kylie
I interviewed when they came out here for do you
remember when they did that Forever New campaign? They did
that like collaboration. I hosted them for that event. Yeah,
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and like MC at the Westfield. So I spent a
tiny bit of time.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
With them, And what were they like?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's like fine, like there was nothing. They were just again,
they were younger than This is a while ago. Now,
that was.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Probably almost a decade ago, right when they were doing that. Okay, God,
that makes me sound ancient, But you're doing that for
Revenu Club.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, they did that for Revenue Collab. But all I
remember is that they were just extremely protected and funnily enough,
this is again I'm going completely off topic. Do you
remember their bodyguard the one that got fired him thought
that he okay, okay, So the bodyguard that got fired
after Kim Kardashian's.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Paris that bodyguard.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
He was the bodyguard that was in Australia with them
when they did it Forever New Thing. I spent some
time with him and he was like looking after me
as well, not that I needed looking after, but it
was cush because they were like looking for eggs. I
had to like walk us with an umbrella Westfield so
that people weren't throwing eggs at them. Jesus, and he
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was like, you come with me own. He was like really,
it was the weirdest experience of my life. I was
by no means anywhere but witnessing the amount of security
the fandom, Like people were chasing my car down because
they thought that I had to roll the window down
and be like stop chasing the car. You're going to
get yourself run over. Sto. Yeah, yeah, anyway, massive like
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offshoot there, But I just wanted to just tell you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
That, no, that's important. I thought you were going to
say the bodyguard that I thought got fired, because now
when people thought that Stormy was fathered by one of
her bodyguards, and that was like a vicious rumor that
went around for a while, and I was like, don't
tell me that poor man actually got fired.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, this was right before the Paris thing, Okay, And
he got fired because basically they were like, you were
supposed to be there, and you were with the girls
to the club, blah blah blah blah blah. But I
think that a lot of it is just that they're
so rich now, so rich everything is huge around them.
And again I've mentioned this before, but people are struggling
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right now. They are not relatable, they don't feel relatable,
and I think that that is where a lot of
people are finding it challenging. That's my perspective.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I know, like people are looking for relatable celebrities, but
I don't really know if you can have a relatable celebrity.
But I think personally a lot of people aren't looking
at the Kardashian so that like, they want to see
that crazy lifestyle. They want to see the opulence, even
if they're watching it from the floor of their sharehouse,
but they're not giving us enough of that. Like this year,
we saw little sprinklings of the met Gala, but we
didn't get the access we've gotten previous years. We didn't
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get into all those fashion shows they were at, and
so we had Chloe Kardashian dressing up at a bear
costume and running around her mum's yard trying to scare her.
That was a full episode storyline. And I think like
people are so invested in Kim Kardashian in particular, but
also on Kylie, Like Kylie's risen to the top of
the fandom, and the photos of her on the Red
Carpet circuit with Timothy Shallamy were the most sought after
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pictures of all of awards circuit and he didn't really
win anything except for a SAG Award, and she never
posed on the Red carpet, but there was still the
couple of the awards red carpets. I think people still
care about them, but you never see any of that
on the show. When Kylie Jenna's on the show. You
can see she's there under duress when she's on the
Kardashian But yeah, I think she only talks about like
cooking or hanging out with her sisters, or she'll show
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a bit of Fashion Week or something like that, and
the only thing people care about, which is her relationship
with Timothy because it's interesting and because I didn't show
with anything, people care the gossip exactly. It's the gossip
player and the only little touch of that that you
really got in the last episode because the Kardashians now
think they're the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You have to watch
the little end credits scene, so you have to watch
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all the way through the credits and at the end
there's always a little easter egg. And at the finale,
it was Kylie Jenner calling her mum, Chris Jenna, to
say that she was worried because she'd seen all the
photos that had come out from the Golden Globes that
she went to with Timothy and she was worried her
boobs were out too much. To that, I say, Kylie
Jenner has great boos. I think she's able to show
them off and that's just a fun time. That's part
of going with your movie star boyfriend to the award shows.
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But it's like this tiny little clip that gave people
a taste of this bigger storyline that's happening that we
don't get to see. And I think that's why people
are getting frustrated. Do you think they're going to continue
with the show. They've alluded to the fact that they're
continuing the show.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I think it's got a few more seasons than that. Yeah,
I'm not convinced. They're going to continue beyond another two
or three seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, that is sad for me.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I don't. I think you're right. I think they are
over it. I think they're over it, and the less
that they give maybe more people are turning away and
then they can focus on other things. Like none of
them need any more money, Like it's not like they
need this.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No, I don't think they're even doing it for money.
They get a lot more. All their money comes from
their businesses, and that's why they have all these businesses
they have.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Why are they doing it?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think it's about control. It's about controlling the public
narrative because they don't break news on their show, Like
we don't see things for the first time there. But
what we do see is we see like them addressing
the backlash against Northwest being in the Lion King. We
see them addressing backlash from like things that have happened,
the public brand deals that have gone wrong. It's like
it's their time to have their say.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Do you know how else they could do that on
their social media?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I know, but it's like a step removed because then
they sit back. They're like little Masterlinds. They sit back,
they watch all the headlines, They get all the information,
and then they film as if they're filming in real
time by saying like this just happened, but we know
when they do the little talking head interviews that's happened
months later. So just think once you've had, like, how
much easier it would be to win a fight, right
if you had seen the entire fight play out, and
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then you've gone away, and like, you know, you always
think afterwards, like, oh, I wish I'd said that. That's
what they do. They go and think of every single comeback,
and then they put it all out in their space,
and because they're executive producers of the show, they see
the footage, they control the clips. It's like they have
this big public like right of reply that they're in
control of. And then you're saying, also, it's a place
for them to promote all their businesses. That's pretty much
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the only time we see or Kylie or Courtney to
an extent is when they're talking about Lemmy or eight
one eight or all those brands that I wouldn't even
know existed if it wasn't for the show. So I
think even though the quality is going down, they're going
to keep it around because it makes money and it
lets them be in charge.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I just think that
the time for this kind of show for them. They
are so exposed, They're so exposed on so many different
platforms that the relevance of a show like this for
them is becoming less and less.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah. Interesting. Well, either way, it feels like there's a
bit of a bit of a clock on it on
the Kardashians, but looks like they'll be back for one
more season. Well, thank you so much for listening to
the Spill today, and if you'd like more breaking news
on Kylie Jenner and Timothy Shalamy, we did a little
segment on them and yesterday's podcast where we went through
the biggest, craziest, most scandalous moments from Coach Heller. If
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you listen to the episode and you're triggered by the
word backpack, we can't help you. It's just how that
relationship unfolded. And we're back in your podcast feed at
three pm tomorrow. Bye.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
See here.
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I'm Cassane Lukitch and coming.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Up on the show today, the Kardashians had finished their
latest reign of TV Terror. I guess some would say
their latest season of the Kardashians, and there are some
questions about their fame level the show continuing. We actually
have some answers about that. We've delved deep behind the scenes.
I have a lot of thoughts, so many thoughts. Also,
Travis Kelcey, I feel like we haven't heard that name
(00:53):
for a while.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, Taylor and Travis laying a bit low, which is
unusual for a Taylor romance.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, so they've gone into hiding. Some would say, We've
got some thoughts on that. Plus, something that was released
on Travis Kelsey's podcast has angered the Swifties. We're getting
it into that. But first, probably the most important news
of the week.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I love this. I'm actually really really excited about this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So I'll try and let my inner fan girl stay
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So for those of you who are Jane Nelston fans,
Netflix are releasing a Pride and Prejudice series. It's gonna
be a six part series and they have just announced
the casting. Jack Loudon is mister darsty emmacorran as Elizabeth
Bennett and they were actually in The Crown and they
played a very young lady Die. And then we also
(01:40):
have Olivia Coleman as Missus Bennett, and Olivia Coleman is
like one of my all time favorites name. And the
thing that I'm actually the most excited about is the
fact that Dolly Alderton is writing the series. Yes, are
you familiar with Dolly Olderton?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, only in the sense that I am such a fangle.
I've read all her work. I decorated my apartment to
look like hers, and I have a rule about not
interviewing anyone who I'm truly obsessed with, so I've had
to duck out quite a few interviews with her. So
I guess I know her a little bit. Yeah, I
don't know. Maybe I'm so cool.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, Dolly Olderton. If you haven't listened have you
listened to sen Mental garbage.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's only my entire life.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, we've never spoken about it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I have the merchant.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I love sentimental marbage. That's where I was first introduced
to her. But her first book that she wrote was
Everything I Know about Love, So she really is kind
of a carry Bradshaw of the modern era. So it's
like the perfect person to rewrite Pride and Prejudice. Now,
what she has said is that Jane Nelson's Pride and
Prejudice is a blueprint for romantic comedy. It's been a
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joy to deelve back into the page just to find
both familiar and fresh ways of bringing this beloved book
to life. Now, the thing I love about this is
that it is going to be true to the original
source material, so we are going to be set in
the early nineteenth century. But I think that because Dolly
Alderton's writing it, I think some of that whip smart
comedy will be really a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And yes, absolutely so. She is like quite well versed
in adapting written works, so she adapted her book Everything
I Know about Love, which I want to out myself
as a basic bit. But I love it. I have
it in my desk story here at Moama because I
lent it to so many women. I have my copy
at home and the copy I learned out to people.
She adapted that book into a TV series which is
on stand now. It's incredible she's written other books. I
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think a lot of people fell in love with her
on the High Low, which was one of the first big,
you know, worldwide podcasts to break out, and what she
said about adapting Pride and Prejudice, because as much as
everyone loves Dolly Alderton, it is a bit of a
tricky path because Pride and Prejudice is such a beloved
story and everyone has very strict ideas of what they
think the story should be and how it should roll out.
(03:43):
And I love that Dolly kind of acknowledged that in
her announcement where she said, each generation, someone new gets
to tell this story. And I'm really excited to try
my hand at the ultimate romantic comedy, which is very
much what Pride and Prejudice is.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And the fact that it has been this has been
adapted so many times. Yes, we've got TV series obviously.
The one that probably most people would know is the
Cure Knightley version.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Is it the one people?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, isn't the Colin Firth series.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Sorry, I don't mean to get emotional, but the thing is,
you can't say the words I would whisper these. This
is like saying beetlejuice multiple times in the mayor office.
Don't say Pride and prejudice because it's the only time
our staff have proper fights. Because everyone has their pride
and we're all really cool, by the way, and fun
to hang out with. It's the only time our staff
get into proper fights because everyone has their version of
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Pride and Prejudice that they think is the best one,
and all the others are trash.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Which is your favorite?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's obviously the nineteen ninety five version the series. It's
the BBC adaptation with Jennifer Eel as Elizabeth Darcy Colin
Firth as mister Darcy. It won so many awards. It's
the one that stays most true to the book, and
I just think it's the ultimate.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, but won a bunch of oscars. I was dominated
for a bunch of it's.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
They were coasting on the source material. Look, I know
for a lot of people. I know for a lot
of people that the two thousand and five Kurreen Knightley
version with Matthew McFadden as mister Darcy is their version.
And look, I did watch it once because I didn't
want to rubbish something I hadn't seen. And if that's
your version, that's okay, that's between you and your god.
But for other people, it's the BBC, and there was one.
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I mean, there's so many adaptations. For some people, it's
the nineteen eighty version.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
There's even like, you know, the Bridget Jones's Diaries, Yeah,
kind of an adaptation.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, it is, you know Page for Paige. Adaptations got
the exact same plot, twist, the same caricatures, and they
went so far as to bring what I would say,
mister Darcy into play mister Darcy. So that's what actually
people are upset about with this new adaptation. So people
love that Netflix are doing it because they feel like
it's time for a new generation to find their version
(05:47):
so we can keep having this fight forever. So people
love that Dolly is doing it. They love that Olivia
Coleman is playing Missus Bennett because I feel.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Like she loved Olivia Coleman and she was born.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
To play Missus Bennett. I was like, hasn't she already
done much.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, and that's the thing I was actually looking. I
was like, she not done Pride and Prejudice, but she
did The Favorite, which is obviously, yes, a period Olivia
Commen does a lot of period paces Favorite. She's done
The Crown like she is kind.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Of She's got the Missus Bennett Viabe down.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
She's well versed in that area, so I think she's
just the perfect casting for that. Emma Corn, I think
it's going to be interesting and interesting that as much.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I see it more after Nosferatu, which I know is
a plot twist, I'm sure people would think The Crown.
They were amazing as Princess Diana. They also just show
they can kind of do anything by starring in Deadpool
and Wolverine.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
They are definitely very talented. There's absolutely no question about it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's the mister Darcy casting that has people.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He's not even that red. So the whole thing is
that it is because he's a redhead, he can't play
mister Darcy. But my thing is like, why does that matter?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
He's not even that red. I love that. We'll just
like he's not We'll just debate the redness of his
hair around him, whether he's hot or not. No, Jack Clauden,
I think is an interesting choice. He also is like
mostly a stage actor, but he's done movies like Warren
Peace and Mary Queen of Scott's where he met his
now wife, Sir Sharonett. And I just think they're they're
married and married. They don't talk about it too much.
(07:13):
They just confirmed that they got married in the last
few years in Edinburgh, but they've been together for a
long time. And I think if he's hot enough for
Sersha Roden, he's hot enough for the rest of us. Also,
I wouldn't love someone trying to mimic Colin Firth, like
it's already kind of become a little bit of like
a pop culture joke and a fun way. Like in fact,
in the latest adaptation of Bridget Jones, Leo Woodall, who
is you know, the young hot guy who's hooking up
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with Bridget after Colin Firth's character has died, does an
homage to his most iconic moment from Pride and Prejudice
where he jumps into the lake and pulls off his
wet shirt, and so that has almost become a parody now.
So I feel like if you do the same thing.
It's going to feel really diluted, like everyone's just trying
to mimic Colin Firth.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I think also as well. I mean, I know mister
Darcy is meant to be this the love he is,
the protagonist love interest. He's also supposed to be a
little bit annoying in the beginning. Well that's the thing,
I know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's that's the part of it exactly. Pride and Preduss
is the ultimate enemies to love Us story, which is
my favorite rom com trope. And I think that Jack
Laddin gives off this like very aloof ruguish kind of
demeanor along with being a really sexy redhead, and I
just think it's time for a redheaded mister Darcy. I
think that's what That's what Netflix is going to be,
like their point of difference.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I like it. I'm into it. So they starting filming
later on this year and Netflix haven't announced a specific
release date, but it's looking like either the end of
this year or early next year.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So once upon a time, well pretty much in the
last year or so, you couldn't open Instagram TikTok magazines
if you were still buying them without seeing Taylor Swift
and Travis Kelce just plastered everywhere, and most of us
welcome this because it was this kind of fun love
story of you know, the popular girl in high school
falling in love with the jock and having this whole,
big public romance. And the last time we really saw
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them was at the super Bowl this year, but it
wasn't quite the kind of fairy tale that the first
super Bowl they had when they were together. You know,
when she was like up watching the stands with Blake Live.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, with all the bangles, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, that was a real choice. And we saw Taylor
when Travis Kelsey's team one run down to the field
may have this epic kiss. It felt like the end
of a movie. Whereas this year Travis Kelsey's team lost,
he was pictured like looking quite sad and distressed about it.
Taylor Swift was seen with his parents jumping into a
car and speeding away from the venue. And we really
haven't seen much of them since, which I guess is
(09:30):
to be expected because he's in the off season from football.
She's finished touring, finished her latest album released. She was
kind of just everywhere, and now they've gone into hiding,
so their names haven't been in the news cycle until
this week when the podcast that Travis Kelcey host with
his brother Jason kelce called New Heights put out a
little questionnaire to their audience, which most podcasts do. They
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put out a questionnaire to sort of see what you
want more of, what keeps you there, what you don't want,
to see why you're there, yes, exactly, to get some
audience feedback. And so this questionnaire was released by The
Wondering Network, which hosts the podcast. And again it's very
basic podcasting stuff. And I should say that this Kelsey
brothers podcast was already quite popular before he started dating
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Taylor Swift in twenty twenty three, but obviously when their
relationship became public, the numbers and interest in this podcast
absolutely skyrocketed. I do know women who didn't even know
football existed, no shade to that. I barely don't exist
as well. Now I don't who would listen to this
podcast because Travis would drop little you know, he talked
about his life and Taylor's part of his life, so
we drop little tidbits. So the questionnaire came out and
(10:34):
the Swifties are not happy because you can go through
and tick what brings you to the podcast. So there's
options like, I was drawn to the football specific commentary,
not me, but others might be. Or I'm drawn to
the Kelsey family dynamic because obviously they share a lot
about their family and Jason shares about his wife who
people love, and their kids and all that sort of stuff.
Or you could tick this option, which read I was
(10:55):
drawn to the prospect of hearing details and clues about
Taylor Swift's life and her relationship with Travis. Or you
could also tick I like feeling like part of a
community that supports Taylor's happiness outside of her music. Now
that all sounds very very nice, right.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yes, what do you think about that? I actually just.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Think it's fine. I should say what a lot of
the Swifties have written as this has been shared. They've
said it's gross, they said it's tasteless. They think that basically,
they're trying to say that the chasing are clout tracing
and they're trying to cash in on Taylor Swift's fame.
Now I'm not even sure that the Kelsey brothers would
know this questionnaire went out right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That was going to be my first point. So for
people who don't know a podcast has produced, they have
a marketing team, and a podcast like that, particularly backed
by someone like Wandery, will have a massive team behind them.
I'm very, very very highly doubt that Travis and Jason
are sitting there writing this questionnaire.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, exactly, Otherwise that would be very hand.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
It is not likely that that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I just think it's more interesting, whether it's the Kelsey
brothers or their podcast team, how aware they are of
the Taylor Swift effect, which of course they would because
you know, with podcasts you get your daily numbers, and
they would have seen their number skyrocket as soon as
he mentioned that he was going to give her a
friendship bracelet at her concert. What I kind of thought
was more interesting that they think that this is so
much the public domain, that people are so invested in
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their relationship that it would be okay to put this
like I'm sure they never thought there'd be any backlash
to this, because it looks like they're supporting Taylor Swift
through the questionnaire, like it's such an innocent thing. But
I think it just goes to show how intense her
fandom is, and also the fact that Taylor and Travis
appear to have disappeared that I feel like people are
almost grasping for anything to do with them.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I think it's also really important to note that just
because the majority of people in our world didn't know
who Travis and Jason Kelcey were, your sports bros. Yeah,
like they were very, very big before he started dating
exactly before started dating Taylor. Like, there is nothing about
(13:02):
this that people who are new to the podcast, maybe
they did start listening because of the Taylor Swift relationship. Absolutely,
that podcast, as you said, was very popular beforehand. They
had an audience. I don't think that clout chasing is
right because they've already got enough clout from their people. Yeah. Yeah,
(13:22):
the sports bros.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's some accurate market data of like how many clips
they should be releasing of Taylor Swift. What I find
more interesting than this little questionnaire coming out into the
world and there's like handful of people. I'm sure you know,
they're always the loudest of people who are upset about it.
What I find more interesting is the mechanics of Taylor
Swift and Travis staying out of the public eye, because
it does feel like they've had to put a lot
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of planning into not being seen for such an extended
period of time, because even though they're not working usually
when they have like their little breaks between touring or
football and stuff, they're always seen, like you know, on
the streets of New York and going to dinner and
going to like different events and things. And it seems
that they've put this plan in place, which we know
celebrities can get around without being seen if they want to,
(14:06):
but they've gone to these extreme levels to never be
seen at dinner, never be seen on their whole day,
has never been seen in the streets, or their cars
are not seen going in and out their properties for
such long time. It really does feel like they've dropped
off the face of the earth. And I guess some
people are tying it to the whole Blake Lively thing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that is probably something that's quite plausible, to
be honest. I mean, she may just want to step
back and kind of take a little moment, you know.
A source speaking to Page six said that Swift and
Kelsey are just enjoying an escape, which I think is
also reasonable. They said, the insider I'm using inverted comments
because we never know if these insiders are real people.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It's not a page six somehows, yeah, they talk to someone,
but no offense page six.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It could be a fabricy like there's who knows what
this insider or this source is that there's not a
lot there. But you know, maybe they're just a home relaxing.
Maybe they're just chilling out, or maybe they're broken up
and everything's about to explodes.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Oh my god. I mean that would have great content
for us, but not good for the rest of the
world who would have to take time off. What I
think is what contributed to it is a little bit
potentially of that whole Blake Lively situation, because as we know,
it's kind of died down for the moment because the
trial is still over a year away. But with the
whole thing of Blake Lively putting out those allegations against
Justin Baldoni and then suing him, and then him countersuing her,
(15:20):
and him building a whole website to pull this information
about her, Taylor Swift is named in all of that.
It came out that Taylor Swift was upset about that
and that they weren't speaking anymore. But then recent stories
that have popped up have said that the two are
very much in contact and a friend still, which I
thought was the case, but I think it's more interesting
that all of these articles that their friendship is okay,
(15:41):
all of these like mentions have started to pop up
everywhere because as we know, Likelif's publicist Tree Paine, who
works harder than anyone else in the world, and I
think it's the most powerful person in the world that's
not even a joke, is always out there pulling leavers, moving,
you know, different things around, getting people to mention things,
bearing stories. And if that's the main story we're seeing
about Taylor Swift at the moment, it must because she
(16:02):
and her team want that to be the main story.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, I think as well. I mean, Taylor is one
of the people who I like to describe as a
love hard person. Some people are a little bit more private,
and this is not a criticism at all, but some
people just love really hard and want that PDA and
out with their partners. We know every single relationship because
she is a love hard kind of person. So the
(16:28):
fact that it's dropped off, I think that's why people
have just sort of gone, oh, what's going on here,
because that doesn't seem a lot like her. But you're right,
maybe this is a pr move. Let's lay low, let
this lively stuff just sort of settle down. Also, the
sports bros when they lose, when their teams lose, they
can give it very sad.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I know, well, yeah, it really an emotional time.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Maybe he's just sad and he doesn't want to be
out and about.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah. I think basically he's in the off season. I
think she knows how visible she's been, and now she's
plotting new music and she knows that the world she
means plotting writing same thing for her. She's putting together
like new music and that's going to kind of burst
onto the world stage soon. Then she's going to be everyone.
So she's just taking some time out of the spotlight.
But until then, fill in the Kelsey Brothers survey if
(17:15):
you want to. I guess I have it. Maybe I will,
I'll teck. Have you ever listened to it? No? No,
I've listened to some sections. Again a basic bitch. I've
listened to the tailsift sections when we've been reporting on it.
But I can't say I'm like a die hard Kelsey
Brothers fan. But I think they're fine.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
But this is why they need to do this fact.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I need to see who's listening to the right.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Well, I won't, I won't muck around and tick. I'm
here for football, I'll tick, I'm here for tailerstift. So
they're getting the right data.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
As a podcast to yourself, Laura Broadband, No you do
not the Smirch today.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I know they're pretty much our colleagues.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yes, exactly. Okay, So Season six of the Kardashians has
just finished. They just had this season finale, and I've
got a couple of thoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
You've got some feedback, so want some feedback, friendly feedback, now,
just a little.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Bit of a history, A little bit of a history.
Lesson here. Keeping Up with the Kardashians two thousand and
seven to twenty twenty one on the E network, which
I'm familiar with. Then after twenty twenty one they moved
across to Hulu and in Australia it's on Disney Plus.
So they're on season six of the Kardashians, which is
not called Keeping Up with the Kardashians, So if you're
(18:25):
not familiar with that, it is two separate shows. Yes.
My thoughts, however, are that I feel like the show
has now gone on for so long it has lost
its spark. Interesting, now we know why they do this show. Primarily,
they're doing this show to promote all of their products,
(18:46):
whether it's perfumes, whether it's you know, skims and Nike
doing this multimillion dollar deal, whether it's a makeup, whatever
they're doing, that is what they primarily use this show for.
But I feel like in the climate of today, people
are no longer as interested in what they're doing in
(19:08):
their day to day lives, and I think there's a
couple of reasons for that. One of the reasons, I
think first is that one, they've become more guarded because
they're wanting to protect certain parts of their lives because again,
they've been followed around by cameras since two thousand and seven,
that's a really long time. And then the other thing
(19:28):
that I think it is is that people just aren't
as interested in it anymore. And we know that because
the ratings are significantly lower and they're just taking each season.
They are not getting the same amount of eyeballs on
the show as they used to. Now, they haven't released
the actual numbers for this season six yet, but the
(19:50):
general consensus is that the ratings are trending downwards now.
Apparently Chris jan now you know our original mom and
Jar is like frantically behind the scenes trying to make
sure that all of her daughters are still keen on
doing this because she knows how much of a cash
cow it is. There are some reports that a lot
of the girls just don't want to be doing it anymore.
(20:12):
They don't want to be sharing their lives like this anymore. Also,
I feel like because when they've released the show, these
are things that have happened like four months prior, so
it's already been in the news cycle, it's already been
on TikTok, it's already been on Instagram. People kind of
already know what the story is. There's not that much
new information that gets let out. And I think one
(20:35):
of the most interesting one was Kylie Jenner walked in
the Kopeni show at Fashion Weg and she did this
whole vlog on it on her TikTok. They used that
footage in the episode of The Kardashians Like nothing new
about it, so it's almost just like a rehash of
(20:55):
something that we've already seen, and people like, what's the
point of this now.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I mean this season in particular felt very different and
not even so much like if the ratings are down,
I know, like wholy. Because I'm not a network television
station or anything like that, they don't have to share
the actual numbers. But it did feel like it wasn't
getting as much media attraction and attention and conversation as
previous seasons have. And I don't think that's to do
with the fact that people aren't invested in the Kardashians anymore.
(21:21):
I think that people are super invested in their personal lives,
but they just don't want to share their personal lives
on camera. All the majority of them don't, And so
instead of the storylines being about these huge things happening
in their life, because when the Kardashians started, so when
they ended Keeping Up and they went into the Kardashians,
it had this really new fresh feeling, I thought, and
people because they'd been off screens for a little bit,
(21:43):
people were really hungry. Yeah, and people again like me,
I watched them, I'm not embarrassed, were really hungry to
see inside their lives. And those first few seasons gave
us all these big moments you had, like Kim's big
personal breakdown with Kanye. Even though Pete Davidson wasn't on
the show, you were getting all these bits and pieces
about her talking about dating Pete Davidson, and he was
always in the background, or he was in the metgala,
(22:04):
jumping in the shower with her. We had the Marilyn
Munro dress with Chloe. We had her finding out that
the man you just decided to have a baby with
was having a baby with someone else. You had Courtney
falling in love with Travis and their big wild romance
and their wedding and their baby, like it was all
this stuff, and it was like there was almost like
you felt like so much was being left out because
there was so much, you know, storyline that were cramming
(22:26):
into these little episodes. But as the seasons has gone on,
they've started showing less and less, and the fact that
they don't want to film has become a storyline which
I find really boring, Like the fact that Kylie Jenna
doesn't want to be there, and she'll get on a
plane and then say that she feels as the plane's
going to go down, so she'll leave, And I'm like,
but you just like your family on there like that episode,
and Courtney not want to show her family, like we
(22:47):
never see Kendall. They only pop up with these little
talking heads, and that's not enough to sustain a TV show.
So I feel like that's where the interest is not
in them, it's in how the show's being done. But
what's really interesting is that I still think that Kim
Kardashian is the most famous of all of them, and
she gives the most, which is interesting because you think
the most famous person would be the one who was
pulling back.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Do you know what's interesting that just from the feedback
that I see on socials, the general consensus for me
is that they're not relevant. That's what I see a
lot of, and maybe that's just my algorithm. Again, this
is not a cut ash in hating thing. I was
like a huge fan. I've interviewed a lot of them,
like I do.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Was the best one to interview Chloe? Yeah? The Taittius Chloe. Yes,
we'll just do this now as the podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Okay, So Chloe was great. Chloe was amazing. She's just
like super entertaining. I didn't do Chris. I've never done Chris.
I did Courtney and Chloe together. Courtney was fine. Kim
was like the most media trained, like had perfect answer
for everything.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That is a machine.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
She was so protected she knew exactly what she was
going to say. She would not let you behind her
facade for even a second. And then Kendall and Kylie
I interviewed when they came out here for do you
remember when they did that Forever New campaign? They did
that like collaboration. I hosted them for that event. Yeah,
(24:11):
and like MC at the Westfield. So I spent a
tiny bit of time.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
With them, And what were they like?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's like fine, like there was nothing. They were just again,
they were younger than This is a while ago. Now,
that was.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Probably almost a decade ago, right when they were doing that. Okay, God,
that makes me sound ancient, But you're doing that for
Revenu Club.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, they did that for Revenue Collab. But all I
remember is that they were just extremely protected and funnily enough,
this is again I'm going completely off topic. Do you
remember their bodyguard the one that got fired him thought
that he okay, okay, So the bodyguard that got fired
after Kim Kardashian's.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Paris that bodyguard.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
He was the bodyguard that was in Australia with them
when they did it Forever New Thing. I spent some
time with him and he was like looking after me
as well, not that I needed looking after, but it
was cush because they were like looking for eggs. I
had to like walk us with an umbrella Westfield so
that people weren't throwing eggs at them. Jesus, and he
(25:15):
was like, you come with me own. He was like really,
it was the weirdest experience of my life. I was
by no means anywhere but witnessing the amount of security
the fandom, Like people were chasing my car down because
they thought that I had to roll the window down
and be like stop chasing the car. You're going to
get yourself run over. Sto. Yeah, yeah, anyway, massive like
(25:38):
offshoot there, But I just wanted to just tell you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
That, no, that's important. I thought you were going to
say the bodyguard that I thought got fired, because now
when people thought that Stormy was fathered by one of
her bodyguards, and that was like a vicious rumor that
went around for a while, and I was like, don't
tell me that poor man actually got fired.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, this was right before the Paris thing, Okay, And
he got fired because basically they were like, you were
supposed to be there, and you were with the girls
to the club, blah blah blah blah blah. But I
think that a lot of it is just that they're
so rich now, so rich everything is huge around them.
And again I've mentioned this before, but people are struggling
(26:16):
right now. They are not relatable, they don't feel relatable,
and I think that that is where a lot of
people are finding it challenging. That's my perspective.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I know, like people are looking for relatable celebrities, but
I don't really know if you can have a relatable celebrity.
But I think personally a lot of people aren't looking
at the Kardashian so that like, they want to see
that crazy lifestyle. They want to see the opulence, even
if they're watching it from the floor of their sharehouse,
but they're not giving us enough of that. Like this year,
we saw little sprinklings of the met Gala, but we
didn't get the access we've gotten previous years. We didn't
(26:48):
get into all those fashion shows they were at, and
so we had Chloe Kardashian dressing up at a bear
costume and running around her mum's yard trying to scare her.
That was a full episode storyline. And I think like
people are so invested in Kim Kardashian in particular, but
also on Kylie, Like Kylie's risen to the top of
the fandom, and the photos of her on the Red
Carpet circuit with Timothy Shallamy were the most sought after
(27:10):
pictures of all of awards circuit and he didn't really
win anything except for a SAG Award, and she never
posed on the Red carpet, but there was still the
couple of the awards red carpets. I think people still
care about them, but you never see any of that
on the show. When Kylie Jenna's on the show. You
can see she's there under duress when she's on the
Kardashian But yeah, I think she only talks about like
cooking or hanging out with her sisters, or she'll show
(27:32):
a bit of Fashion Week or something like that, and
the only thing people care about, which is her relationship
with Timothy because it's interesting and because I didn't show
with anything, people care the gossip exactly. It's the gossip
player and the only little touch of that that you
really got in the last episode because the Kardashians now
think they're the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You have to watch
the little end credits scene, so you have to watch
(27:53):
all the way through the credits and at the end
there's always a little easter egg. And at the finale,
it was Kylie Jenner calling her mum, Chris Jenna, to
say that she was worried because she'd seen all the
photos that had come out from the Golden Globes that
she went to with Timothy and she was worried her
boobs were out too much. To that, I say, Kylie
Jenner has great boos. I think she's able to show
them off and that's just a fun time. That's part
of going with your movie star boyfriend to the award shows.
(28:16):
But it's like this tiny little clip that gave people
a taste of this bigger storyline that's happening that we
don't get to see. And I think that's why people
are getting frustrated. Do you think they're going to continue
with the show. They've alluded to the fact that they're
continuing the show.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I think it's got a few more seasons than that. Yeah,
I'm not convinced. They're going to continue beyond another two
or three seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, that is sad for me.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I don't. I think you're right. I think they are
over it. I think they're over it, and the less
that they give maybe more people are turning away and
then they can focus on other things. Like none of
them need any more money, Like it's not like they
need this.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No, I don't think they're even doing it for money.
They get a lot more. All their money comes from
their businesses, and that's why they have all these businesses
they have.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Why are they doing it?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think it's about control. It's about controlling the public
narrative because they don't break news on their show, Like
we don't see things for the first time there. But
what we do see is we see like them addressing
the backlash against Northwest being in the Lion King. We
see them addressing backlash from like things that have happened,
the public brand deals that have gone wrong. It's like
it's their time to have their say.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Do you know how else they could do that on
their social media?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I know, but it's like a step removed because then
they sit back. They're like little Masterlinds. They sit back,
they watch all the headlines, They get all the information,
and then they film as if they're filming in real
time by saying like this just happened, but we know
when they do the little talking head interviews that's happened
months later. So just think once you've had, like, how
much easier it would be to win a fight, right
if you had seen the entire fight play out, and
(29:47):
then you've gone away, and like, you know, you always
think afterwards, like, oh, I wish I'd said that. That's
what they do. They go and think of every single comeback,
and then they put it all out in their space,
and because they're executive producers of the show, they see
the footage, they control the clips. It's like they have
this big public like right of reply that they're in
control of. And then you're saying, also, it's a place
for them to promote all their businesses. That's pretty much
(30:08):
the only time we see or Kylie or Courtney to
an extent is when they're talking about Lemmy or eight
one eight or all those brands that I wouldn't even
know existed if it wasn't for the show. So I
think even though the quality is going down, they're going
to keep it around because it makes money and it
lets them be in charge.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I just think that
the time for this kind of show for them. They
are so exposed, They're so exposed on so many different
platforms that the relevance of a show like this for
them is becoming less and less.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah. Interesting. Well, either way, it feels like there's a
bit of a bit of a clock on it on
the Kardashians, but looks like they'll be back for one
more season. Well, thank you so much for listening to
the Spill today, and if you'd like more breaking news
on Kylie Jenner and Timothy Shalamy, we did a little
segment on them and yesterday's podcast where we went through
the biggest, craziest, most scandalous moments from Coach Heller. If
(31:05):
you listen to the episode and you're triggered by the
word backpack, we can't help you. It's just how that
relationship unfolded. And we're back in your podcast feed at
three pm tomorrow. Bye.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
See here.
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