August 18, 2025 • 23 mins
Taylor Swift’s new song titles have Swifties convinced she’s ending a very famous friendship - so we're diving into the rumours swirling around Taylor and (potentially former) bestie Blake Lively.
Plus, Blake's case with Justin Baldoni continues with an explosive deposition... that happened with both stars sitting in the same room.
And finally, Sophie Turner spills all in a new interview... from her worst on-screen kiss to the Hollywood relationship she played a part in ending.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Maya. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Cassemuel
Lukitch and I'm Laura Brodneck.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And on today's show, Sophie Turner thinks that she may
have broken up a famous celebrity couple and we think
we might know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Who it is.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yes, but first look, it pains me to bring this up.
I take absolutely no joy in this conversation, but I
feel like it's still bubbling away and we have to
have it. That Blake Lively and Taylor Swift's over a
decade long best friendship is over.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We love Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We have been diving so deep into all of these
songs that we're not going to hear for a little while.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But we have a track list. Yes, we have a
track list.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And so some of the fun it has been since
she released that on her boyfriend's podcast and put the
track and the album cover out to the world, is
people going through and decoding what all the different songs mean.
You know who she's drawn inspiration from which parts are
like linked to different people, and there's a few with us,
like a bit of a tenuous link, like the Elizabeth
Taylor track. People think that is Kaylee Teller, who's Miles
(01:27):
Tayler's wife, who is a really good friend of Taylor Swift.
I mean, there's been also reports that they're on the
Rocks as well, and I never know what to believe
because I feel like Taylor's have goes through stages are
being photographed a lot with her very famous friends, but
more like in events season, and then like anyone else
will go through stages of not seeing them for a while,
and then because there's not public photos, it looks like
(01:48):
they've had a falling out.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And I feel like that is a little bit tenureus
because these people are very busy, like they're genering on
opposite sides of the country or world at multiple times.
So I mean like we can kind of think about that.
But the one that fans are kind of the most
suspicious about is track number six, and it's called ruin
the Friendship, which.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I feel like it's a pretty obvious link.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing about linking different titles
to different friends. Is like people think they figured it out.
So the Kaylee Taylor one they think is because it's
called Elizabeth Taylor and there's a video of her giving
Taylor Shift a ring and it's like really over the top,
and Taylor Shift is like, oh, this looks like it's
for Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But that's also how she speaks.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Whereas the rule and the friendship one does seem to
be kind of quite pointed around Bala Clive.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean, we haven't seen the lyrics yet, so we
don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, and then there's another one. I think it's track ten, Okay,
so that one is called Canceled. So people are kind
of speculating that this is probably about, like you know,
celebrity culture and the way that people get canceled so
quickly these days, which we've spoken about here on this
pod before. But again, it could be the fact that
Blake and Ryan basically got canceled once this whole Justinboltony
(02:58):
lawsuit came out. So those the two from me that
really like stuck out to me about their relationship. I
think the other thing was Taylor had this big dinner
party at Cipriani or whatever in New York.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
City and Blake wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, that's been the telling thing is that they haven't
been pitched together in such long time, which, as I said,
for any of her other celebrity friendships wouldn't be a
big deal. But they did kind of live in each
other's pockets for a while. And it's the New York
dinner thing that really tipped over for me because I
do kind of believe in my heart that maybe they
were just taking some time. Because this huge thing has
happened with the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively lawsuit, Taylor
(03:36):
Swift was brought in in such a big way, to
the point where like at one point she was being subpoened,
her phone and her laptop were going to be subpoened.
There was links that she had been involved in like
this smear campaign against Justin Baldoni, and that she had
been responsible for casting different people.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
In the movie.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Some of that's been disproven, but it was like a
really big, messy legal public situation, and for someone who's
been in a lot of messy situations over the years,
it's probably something she wanted to avoid this stage of
her career where she kind of has perfected this art
of sailing through all these different controversies and kind of
being untouchable. But yes, they had this dinner and I
don't know if you've seen all the other like Taylor
(04:12):
Swift and Blake Lively New York dinner situations, but it's
always such a thing like they've always got like the
outfits on.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, they're holding hands off of them, like you know,
it's very like buddy, buddy, And that definitely to me
said a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
But then I was doing a little bit more reading.
Some people are now saying.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That these particular tracks may not be about Blake at all,
because she said that she actually wrote these songs back
in July of last year, so summer in the Northern
Hemisphere during the Eras tour, so she was like recording
and then she'd go on to do stuff on tour
and then bl.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
But the whole Baldoni Blake stuff didn't happen until like December,
and Blake, Ryan, Travis, and Taylor were all at dinner
together in October of twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So some people are saying that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
No, that's not going to be about her, But because
she could have easily written something after the fact.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's the hard thing.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, it's hard because she has had as like
most people, I guess her adults, and especially when you're
like in that kind of high level of the entertainment industry,
would have a lot of different friendship breakups because so
much of your life is public and they could be
falling out, So it could be about any of her friends.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But the thing is that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
We do know that she can turn an album around
super quick, Like just think it wasn't that long from
the Maddie Healy breakup of their situationship and then the
Torture Poets Department came out, and like any other artists,
that could have taken years to pull like that level
of songwriting together, and she did that fairly quickly from
an album perspective, so I don't think it's other realm
of possibility. And also from a public perception, like when
(05:49):
we first started sort of seeing the friendship fall out,
it's like a celebrity breakup like we usually find out
months after it's actually happened, so we don't actually know
when if their friendship is over, which kind of feels
like it is at the moment when it happened.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think the sad thing is because Taylor is the
godmother to Blake's children.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That to me is one of the saddest things. Like
if this is.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Over, but I mean, look, there's been so many times
we've been like sources say, so we don't know who
these sources are.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So it could be you.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Know, a day email quote, or they are not talking
at the moment, they are not communicating, Like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It really seems like this is over.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's interesting you bring up Blake Lively as kids, because
that is something I've been thinking about too, Like it's
one thing for you and your best friend of like
over a decade to not speak, which is one of
the most heartbreaking things. Like sometimes a friendship breakup hurts
more than a romantic breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But there's so.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Many like photos and videos of Taylor Swift with Blake
Lively's children, particularly her eldest daughter James. So I think
it's like nearly ten now, so like old enough to
really notice that someone who was in her life a lot,
who she called aunt Taylor, who would like go to
her concerts. And then there's photos of like Taylor like
hugging the girls and like holding their hands and like
walking them out of the stadium, and there's photos of
(07:07):
them out and about New York together and they're like
they're all over her, as you would be, like she
seems like she'd be like the most fun aren't to
have around? But yeah, to be that entwined in their lives,
Like how do you kind of explain that to the
kids of like Aunt Taylor was here all the time
and now we just don't see her And.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I could divorce, honestly, And I agree with you. Sometimes
friendship breakups, particularly ones that have been for a really
long time, are way harder because you're like leaving behind
those joint memories And yeah, you're right, those kids are
gonna know and maybe they are.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
What if they're at home I'm asking about Aunt Tayler.
That makes me sad.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well again, I feel like once you're like close to ten,
like you're really in the thick of obviously not knowing
about everything that's going on in the world, but knowing
when someone who's been a big force in your life
isn't there. Look for all, we know that she and
James are like facetiming each other, and that's a separate
thing to her and her mum, But yeah, you're right
in terms of, like there's a lot of quotes around
from the Daily Mail and stuff of the friendship breakup,
but I'm all looking at the facts that we can
(08:02):
kind of see, like Taylor's team came out and said,
we're not involved in this, do not bring us into
this situation. And then the fact that they haven't been
picture together. And the New York dinner was the one
that kind of tipped me because that was their thing
of going to these like celebratory dinners and doing the
pap walk and as you're saying, like holding hands and
coming out afterwards holding hands, and it was such a
(08:23):
big thing to see Taylor walking with other friends like
Ashley Avignon and stuff who were at the dinners, but
Blake being absent. But at the same time, Blake's like
still really in the thick of her legal situation with
Justin Baldoni. So maybe it's also that she didn't think
she should be papped in that situation.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
That's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We haven't spoken about the Baldoni Lively case in a
little while, just while we're kind of impercolating, but there
have been some new developments so at the end of
July or July thirty, there was a deposition that Blake
and Justin did so. Justin Baldoni's lawyers were deposing Blake.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And if you know anything about.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
A deposition, a deposition, it's not a courtroom thing. They're
in like probably like a small maybe have the same suits,
but they're like in a small room like a boardroom
or something.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And they were both there.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's those reports saying that they were both there sitting
across from each other. People got a hold of those transcripts.
Journalist's got a hold of those.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Trains alas say, people were in People magazine got hold of.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
These People Magazine, page six. All of those guys got
a hold of the transcripts. And like the big thing
was that Balzoni's lawyers were like going for Blake, and
Blake was really giving it back to a boat Doniy's
always and basically saying that they were part of the
smear campaign themselves, which I thought was like a pretty
(09:43):
big accusation to make.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
When iked by Brian Friedman about.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, who did she think is doing this smear campaign,
she says, outside of what I know through my attorneys,
I believe the act of a retaliatory lawsuit, and the
press that you have done and the statements that you
have made about me and my character have felt incredibly retaliatory.
And she's directing that at the lawyer himself, and there's
(10:10):
quite a few times where she's like, this smear campaign
hasn't stopped because of you in this lawsuit, and like,
those are the mains that are takeaways, but we're not
going to be able to see any more of that deposition.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, So it was over three hundred pages of it
that were released, but there are some reductive parts. Obviously,
the reductive parts are the ones I care about, but
they must have been stricken from the record because of
public information that's not available. But it was interesting because
they held the deposition at Blake Lively's law firm, and
the reasoning behind that is apparently because she was worried
about them getting PAP going to a separate location and
(10:45):
she thought that would be a bit more private. And
then obviously Justin Baldoni didn't have to be there, like
his legal team could have been there, so it would
have been the first time him choosing to go I
think is quite a big deal because it would have
been the first time they'd been, especially in a tiny
room like that. Since the whole lawsuit blew up and
the Brian Friedman of it all, normally, like you wouldn't
be like sort of addressing a lawyer so personally, because
(11:07):
a lot of the time a lawyer will speak more
in fact, and yes they'll speak against the person who's
suing or being sued by their client to prove their point.
But Brian Friedman in particular has been so anti Blake lively,
so publicly, and has also been behind like the whole
website about her and all the legal leagues, and when
he talks about her in the public, it's so personal.
(11:28):
It doesn't feel like a lawyer talking about someone his
client is suing.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He has a personal vendata against.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I agree with you, and I think she says that
a couple of times. She's like, you have been behind
this as well. But the deposition was available, all three
hundred pages of it. But then Blake's lawyers went and
had that document pulled from the public record because they
said it wasn't relevant for the public to see it
(11:56):
because they don't want that to then be like basically
a public trial or she's kind of already is so
all of these people that have downloaded this document, technically
they can still release more stuff, but they might get
in trouble from it. This is a federal Dutch who
said you cannot release this.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, And that's what Blake c Lively and her team
were pushing, like from the start of can we stop
making everything from the court case like so public everything
being released because like, let's not forget like the time
of recording, that Justin Baldoni website about her is still live.
So every single thing he's said about her, all the
emails he has, all the text messages are on that website. Recently,
in the last few weeks, like a few more text
(12:37):
messages have been released between them, but it's mostly with
Justin Baldoni talking to the other producers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
About Blake Clively and it's.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
To do with after she put that warning to him
during filming where she got like her management team to
send his team a letter where it says like he
is not to touch her in this way, he has
not to speak to her in this way, he's not
to bring up her dead father, all that sort of stuff,
And now Justin Baldonis released an email that he sent
to the producers being like, now she's put us into
(13:05):
a corner, she's taken over the production. How am I
supposed to say anything now that she said these allegations
against me.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So it's the same sort of stuff, But it just keeps.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Going and going and going, with like more information coming
out of the same I guess from the same from
each camp.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, And I think that's probably why we've been sort
of holding back a little bit, is like it's just
so much information flying around and it is really confusing.
But you know what, we still are going to see
some of Taylor's texts that the lawyers still have part
of that. They've been able to subpaen a part of
Taylor's text messages, so Taylor is still not as involved,
(13:40):
but still slightly involved.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The thing is the court case is still next year,
Like there's still so much information that's going to come out,
and I do think she'll be brought into it in
a big way, just probably not in this way when
they thought we're going to make her whole phone public.
But I guess before then, we've got the Life of
a show Girl to come out and people can dissect
that song and try and figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Oh my god, I can't wait to say the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Okay, So Queen and North Sophie Turner was on Seth
Meyer's last week Late Night with Seth Meyers, and she
was talking about a couple of different things. She's promoting
her new movie Trust, but there was something at the
beginning of the interview that I thought was so funny.
And we've had a little bit of like internet sloothing
(14:25):
happening as well. I'm going to let her tell the
story because I feel like she tells it best.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
We were going to have a.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Great night, and then I really can't name names, rot
get in a lot of trouble. So I brought like
my best friend from my school days with me, and
she saw this actor that she like loved, and she
obviously just goes to me like can you just say hi?
And so I didn't know this actor, so I just went.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And that was it great.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And then later on I see this girl looking at
me and she's a famous actress and I was like, oh,
I have to go and tell her how much she
means to me. So I dance on over and she goes,
can you stop floating with my fiance.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And I was like, I was like, who's your fiance.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
She's like points at the guy that I'd waived out,
and I have no idea who this man is, right,
and then turns out I think they like broke their
engagement off that really because of my Oh my god,
I didn't realize I held this power.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah when I first said that, I didn't really think
that much about it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But my god, can the internet find a name?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We should just let that woman talk unfiltered all the
time because she tells the best stories. So yeah, first
she was like, obviously, I'm not going to say who
it is, but it was kind of easy to trace
because if you look at like the different comic cons
she went at, and how old she would have been
at the time, and who else was there. People have
deduced And I do think this is correct that it
was Evan Peters and Emma Roberts.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, so they had dated for a while, they were engaged.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
At the time, and then shortly after that broke off
their engagement. So I'm sure it wasn't just Sophie Turner's spot.
We can't blame the Queen in the North for everything.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, that's interesting, how she was like, and I found
out later they broke up that night. But also Sophie
Turner's to friends like she's there with her high school friend.
They're seeing Evan Peters.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
He was really off.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, he still is off the moment, but that
was like in the really heightened moment of him being
the star of American Horror Story and being in a
few other movies and people were very obsessed with him.
And it also tracks that Sophie Turner would be obsessed
with Emma Roberts because she is the kind of right
age to be watching her during her like early child
stardom days. She's the right age to have grown up
(16:38):
on like Wild Child and Nancy Drew and all of those,
like very classic Emma Roberts films. And there's also photos
of again we don't know exactly which Comic Con, but
there's photos of the year that Sophie Turner was there
of an after party for Comic Con, and the paparazzi
have Emma Roberts like outside the Comic Con party, absolutely
sobbing and like her friends are coming around her, and
(16:59):
Evan Peters is then coming over and they look like
they're making up those pictures.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Were a diamond dozen when those two were dating them.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, they think it was either like twenty fourteen or
twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
When that there's the photos. This is the thing. You
can't hide anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
No, but yeah, I love the way she tells the story,
especially when she talks about like she was.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like she just danced over. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Can you imagine if you thought someone was flirting with
your fiancea they just like dat stover tely.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, And there's also that is I feel Again, we
don't know for sure, but I do feel that is
the way Emma Roberts speaks like she would have been like,
can you stop fucking with my boyfriend? Because she's such
her That's why she plays those characters like Madison on
American Horror Stories so well, as she does that bitchy
mean girl so well. And that's where her and Evan
Peters met on American Horror Story. They were on and
off for a really long time, and everything we know
(17:46):
about their relationship is like they were so crazy, madly
in love. They would engage really young. Like the thing
is like she's only twenty. Emma Roberts at this time
would have been like twenty twenty one. Yeah, so people
do crazy shit in their early twenties. But that DV
thing you're talking about, yeah, is wild, because there was
a few times either like hotel stuff, so they did
something wild, or there's all these photos of them at
(18:07):
big events, red carpets having these block fights and then
making up afterwards. But that particular one was in there
in this hotel room in Canada and the police were
called because everyone else in the hotel her this blowout
fight happening and they thought someone was being killed.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Called the police.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
The police got there and they found Emma Roberts like hysterical,
and then Evan Peters. This is all from the police report,
which unfortunately was released at the time, and Evan Peters
had what looked like kind of like a broken nose
and also bitemarks all over him. So then Emma Roberts
was taken to the police station, she had to give
a statement, and then there's photos of Evan Peter's like
going to pick her up and then like hugging and
(18:42):
sobbing together in the car park.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, toxic relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, and you can just yeah, like she is sobbing
in this car park of this police station and he's
hugging her. It looks like he's saying I love you.
Then her team released a statement saying it had been
a big misunderstanding and things going out of control and
that they were like working on their relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But yeah, so I kind of do believe that it tracked.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Little Sophie Turner coming in with one little wave could
have blown the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And Sophie Turners it just like I feel like, particularly
in those early days of Game of Thrones, like she
was just like loving life, like this is Game of
Thrones is like the biggest show on television. She's at
coma gon, she's hanging out with her maids, she gets
to bring her best friend, like she's enjoying. It's like
this is still new for her. So like, I feel
a little bit sad for her. But she did actually
(19:29):
tell another story in this that something that I have
loved listening to. Because again, if you are a Game
of Thrones fan, you know that her and.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Kid Harrington would play for brother and Sister.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And so she's in this new movie with him, called
The Dreadful.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
She's also producing it.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Earlier in the interview, she talks about her current movies
she's covered in cockroaches and rats, and this is what
she has to say when Seth says what was worse
kissing Kid Harrington or being covered in roaches and rats.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I just got the script for this amazing gothic horror
called The Dreadful, and I was reading through all the
characters and I'm producing it. So the director was asking me,
you know, who do you think? And immediately the first
person I thought of was Kit, and so I sent
the script to Kit and he he kind of sent
me a message back going like, yeah, I'd love.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
To, but this is going to be really weird.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So and I was like, what is he talking about?
And I was reading it and I'm like, kiss kiss sex,
kiss sexy. And then I'm like, oh, shoot, that's my brother. Yeah,
but it's such a good script that he was like,
we kind of have to do it. So then we
put it out our minds and then we get on
set and it's the first kissing scene and we are
(20:44):
both wretching.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like, really, it is vile. It was the worst.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Another really bad moment in my career.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Was it worse than the cockroaches? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, thank
you for your honesty.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, I had to have to be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
It was bad. I believe her. I think it's okay.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Do you play brother and sister as adults, like when
you're two adults coming in.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, and there's lots.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Of people who played adults on TV who have gone
on to date or even get married. On Dexter, the
actor who played Dexter and his sister, they got married
and had like a very tumultuous relationship. The same on
Parenthood with Peter Krause and Lauren Graham's relationship, Like they
prayed brother and sister and this is while they're playing
brother and sister. They played brother and sister all the
way through that show run and dated at the same time.
(21:31):
So I feel like that's slightly better because you're like
two adults coming in, but they were children.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And this is a particular thing.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like I think when Sophie Tenner started, which was like
thirteen and Kit would have been like twenty, so like, ill,
like I knew you when you were a child.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's the only weird thing it's throwing me. I mean,
they're both adults now on the Actors and it's not
and they clearly wanted to do it. It's like she's
producing the movie. It's not like they were just throwing together.
And the marketing sells it so well of like not
only a former Game of Thrones like cast members teaming up,
but a brother and sister teaming up to be in
love like people and have sex scenes.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
People are gonna go watch that.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But yeah, it's this weird thing of seeing photos of
them on set when the show first started, and he's
like this burly guy with a beard and she's like
this tiny, little like tween. They're very brother and sister
in the photos, and I just feel.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Like and obviously, and even the way that Kit responds
like this is gonna be so fucking weird. So yeah, yeah,
like they are really familiar with each other, and that
is really clear. But it did make me laugh, It
makes me giggle, and it makes me really want to
watch the movie. Yeah, even though I hate gothic horror,
like horror movies are like my worst nightmare, but I
will watch it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I freaking love a gothic horror.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
But I almost wish that it wasn't those two because
it's gonna take me out of it, Like I almost
wish I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I didn't wasn't thinking of the whole brother and sister
thing just watching it. Well, we'll see. I'll be the
judge of that. They could do it. I believe in them. Sophie.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Don't has like really come out for me like I
want to see her in more.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I love her look the same. I'm reserving my judgment
until I see it. But sometimes I don't like a
backstory with a movie.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I like to experience it. But as I said, we'll
see when it comes out.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
And on today's show, Sophie Turner thinks that she may
have broken up a famous celebrity couple and we think
we might know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Who it is.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yes, but first look, it pains me to bring this up.
I take absolutely no joy in this conversation, but I
feel like it's still bubbling away and we have to
have it. That Blake Lively and Taylor Swift's over a
decade long best friendship is over.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We love Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We have been diving so deep into all of these
songs that we're not going to hear for a little while.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But we have a track list. Yes, we have a
track list.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And so some of the fun it has been since
she released that on her boyfriend's podcast and put the
track and the album cover out to the world, is
people going through and decoding what all the different songs mean.
You know who she's drawn inspiration from which parts are
like linked to different people, and there's a few with us,
like a bit of a tenuous link, like the Elizabeth
Taylor track. People think that is Kaylee Teller, who's Miles
(01:27):
Tayler's wife, who is a really good friend of Taylor Swift.
I mean, there's been also reports that they're on the
Rocks as well, and I never know what to believe
because I feel like Taylor's have goes through stages are
being photographed a lot with her very famous friends, but
more like in events season, and then like anyone else
will go through stages of not seeing them for a while,
and then because there's not public photos, it looks like
(01:48):
they've had a falling out.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And I feel like that is a little bit tenureus
because these people are very busy, like they're genering on
opposite sides of the country or world at multiple times.
So I mean like we can kind of think about that.
But the one that fans are kind of the most
suspicious about is track number six, and it's called ruin
the Friendship, which.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I feel like it's a pretty obvious link.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing about linking different titles
to different friends. Is like people think they figured it out.
So the Kaylee Taylor one they think is because it's
called Elizabeth Taylor and there's a video of her giving
Taylor Shift a ring and it's like really over the top,
and Taylor Shift is like, oh, this looks like it's
for Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But that's also how she speaks.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Whereas the rule and the friendship one does seem to
be kind of quite pointed around Bala Clive.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean, we haven't seen the lyrics yet, so we
don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, and then there's another one. I think it's track ten, Okay,
so that one is called Canceled. So people are kind
of speculating that this is probably about, like you know,
celebrity culture and the way that people get canceled so
quickly these days, which we've spoken about here on this
pod before. But again, it could be the fact that
Blake and Ryan basically got canceled once this whole Justinboltony
(02:58):
lawsuit came out. So those the two from me that
really like stuck out to me about their relationship. I
think the other thing was Taylor had this big dinner
party at Cipriani or whatever in New York.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
City and Blake wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, that's been the telling thing is that they haven't
been pitched together in such long time, which, as I said,
for any of her other celebrity friendships wouldn't be a
big deal. But they did kind of live in each
other's pockets for a while. And it's the New York
dinner thing that really tipped over for me because I
do kind of believe in my heart that maybe they
were just taking some time. Because this huge thing has
happened with the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively lawsuit, Taylor
(03:36):
Swift was brought in in such a big way, to
the point where like at one point she was being subpoened,
her phone and her laptop were going to be subpoened.
There was links that she had been involved in like
this smear campaign against Justin Baldoni, and that she had
been responsible for casting different people.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
In the movie.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Some of that's been disproven, but it was like a
really big, messy legal public situation, and for someone who's
been in a lot of messy situations over the years,
it's probably something she wanted to avoid this stage of
her career where she kind of has perfected this art
of sailing through all these different controversies and kind of
being untouchable. But yes, they had this dinner and I
don't know if you've seen all the other like Taylor
(04:12):
Swift and Blake Lively New York dinner situations, but it's
always such a thing like they've always got like the
outfits on.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, they're holding hands off of them, like you know,
it's very like buddy, buddy, And that definitely to me
said a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
But then I was doing a little bit more reading.
Some people are now saying.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That these particular tracks may not be about Blake at all,
because she said that she actually wrote these songs back
in July of last year, so summer in the Northern
Hemisphere during the Eras tour, so she was like recording
and then she'd go on to do stuff on tour
and then bl.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
But the whole Baldoni Blake stuff didn't happen until like December,
and Blake, Ryan, Travis, and Taylor were all at dinner
together in October of twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So some people are saying that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
No, that's not going to be about her, But because
she could have easily written something after the fact.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's the hard thing.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, it's hard because she has had as like
most people, I guess her adults, and especially when you're
like in that kind of high level of the entertainment industry,
would have a lot of different friendship breakups because so
much of your life is public and they could be
falling out, So it could be about any of her friends.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But the thing is that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
We do know that she can turn an album around
super quick, Like just think it wasn't that long from
the Maddie Healy breakup of their situationship and then the
Torture Poets Department came out, and like any other artists,
that could have taken years to pull like that level
of songwriting together, and she did that fairly quickly from
an album perspective, so I don't think it's other realm
of possibility. And also from a public perception, like when
(05:49):
we first started sort of seeing the friendship fall out,
it's like a celebrity breakup like we usually find out
months after it's actually happened, so we don't actually know
when if their friendship is over, which kind of feels
like it is at the moment when it happened.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think the sad thing is because Taylor is the
godmother to Blake's children.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That to me is one of the saddest things. Like
if this is.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Over, but I mean, look, there's been so many times
we've been like sources say, so we don't know who
these sources are.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So it could be you.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Know, a day email quote, or they are not talking
at the moment, they are not communicating, Like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It really seems like this is over.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's interesting you bring up Blake Lively as kids, because
that is something I've been thinking about too, Like it's
one thing for you and your best friend of like
over a decade to not speak, which is one of
the most heartbreaking things. Like sometimes a friendship breakup hurts
more than a romantic breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But there's so.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Many like photos and videos of Taylor Swift with Blake
Lively's children, particularly her eldest daughter James. So I think
it's like nearly ten now, so like old enough to
really notice that someone who was in her life a lot,
who she called aunt Taylor, who would like go to
her concerts. And then there's photos of like Taylor like
hugging the girls and like holding their hands and like
walking them out of the stadium, and there's photos of
(07:07):
them out and about New York together and they're like
they're all over her, as you would be, like she
seems like she'd be like the most fun aren't to
have around? But yeah, to be that entwined in their lives,
Like how do you kind of explain that to the
kids of like Aunt Taylor was here all the time
and now we just don't see her And.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I could divorce, honestly, And I agree with you. Sometimes
friendship breakups, particularly ones that have been for a really
long time, are way harder because you're like leaving behind
those joint memories And yeah, you're right, those kids are
gonna know and maybe they are.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
What if they're at home I'm asking about Aunt Tayler.
That makes me sad.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well again, I feel like once you're like close to ten,
like you're really in the thick of obviously not knowing
about everything that's going on in the world, but knowing
when someone who's been a big force in your life
isn't there. Look for all, we know that she and
James are like facetiming each other, and that's a separate
thing to her and her mum, But yeah, you're right
in terms of, like there's a lot of quotes around
from the Daily Mail and stuff of the friendship breakup,
but I'm all looking at the facts that we can
(08:02):
kind of see, like Taylor's team came out and said,
we're not involved in this, do not bring us into
this situation. And then the fact that they haven't been
picture together. And the New York dinner was the one
that kind of tipped me because that was their thing
of going to these like celebratory dinners and doing the
pap walk and as you're saying, like holding hands and
coming out afterwards holding hands, and it was such a
(08:23):
big thing to see Taylor walking with other friends like
Ashley Avignon and stuff who were at the dinners, but
Blake being absent. But at the same time, Blake's like
still really in the thick of her legal situation with
Justin Baldoni. So maybe it's also that she didn't think
she should be papped in that situation.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
That's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We haven't spoken about the Baldoni Lively case in a
little while, just while we're kind of impercolating, but there
have been some new developments so at the end of
July or July thirty, there was a deposition that Blake
and Justin did so. Justin Baldoni's lawyers were deposing Blake.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And if you know anything about.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
A deposition, a deposition, it's not a courtroom thing. They're
in like probably like a small maybe have the same suits,
but they're like in a small room like a boardroom
or something.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And they were both there.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's those reports saying that they were both there sitting
across from each other. People got a hold of those transcripts.
Journalist's got a hold of those.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Trains alas say, people were in People magazine got hold of.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
These People Magazine, page six. All of those guys got
a hold of the transcripts. And like the big thing
was that Balzoni's lawyers were like going for Blake, and
Blake was really giving it back to a boat Doniy's
always and basically saying that they were part of the
smear campaign themselves, which I thought was like a pretty
(09:43):
big accusation to make.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
When iked by Brian Friedman about.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, who did she think is doing this smear campaign,
she says, outside of what I know through my attorneys,
I believe the act of a retaliatory lawsuit, and the
press that you have done and the statements that you
have made about me and my character have felt incredibly retaliatory.
And she's directing that at the lawyer himself, and there's
(10:10):
quite a few times where she's like, this smear campaign
hasn't stopped because of you in this lawsuit, and like,
those are the mains that are takeaways, but we're not
going to be able to see any more of that deposition.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, So it was over three hundred pages of it
that were released, but there are some reductive parts. Obviously,
the reductive parts are the ones I care about, but
they must have been stricken from the record because of
public information that's not available. But it was interesting because
they held the deposition at Blake Lively's law firm, and
the reasoning behind that is apparently because she was worried
about them getting PAP going to a separate location and
(10:45):
she thought that would be a bit more private. And
then obviously Justin Baldoni didn't have to be there, like
his legal team could have been there, so it would
have been the first time him choosing to go I
think is quite a big deal because it would have
been the first time they'd been, especially in a tiny
room like that. Since the whole lawsuit blew up and
the Brian Friedman of it all, normally, like you wouldn't
be like sort of addressing a lawyer so personally, because
(11:07):
a lot of the time a lawyer will speak more
in fact, and yes they'll speak against the person who's
suing or being sued by their client to prove their point.
But Brian Friedman in particular has been so anti Blake lively,
so publicly, and has also been behind like the whole
website about her and all the legal leagues, and when
he talks about her in the public, it's so personal.
(11:28):
It doesn't feel like a lawyer talking about someone his
client is suing.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He has a personal vendata against.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I agree with you, and I think she says that
a couple of times. She's like, you have been behind
this as well. But the deposition was available, all three
hundred pages of it. But then Blake's lawyers went and
had that document pulled from the public record because they
said it wasn't relevant for the public to see it
(11:56):
because they don't want that to then be like basically
a public trial or she's kind of already is so
all of these people that have downloaded this document, technically
they can still release more stuff, but they might get
in trouble from it. This is a federal Dutch who
said you cannot release this.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, And that's what Blake c Lively and her team
were pushing, like from the start of can we stop
making everything from the court case like so public everything
being released because like, let's not forget like the time
of recording, that Justin Baldoni website about her is still live.
So every single thing he's said about her, all the
emails he has, all the text messages are on that website. Recently,
in the last few weeks, like a few more text
(12:37):
messages have been released between them, but it's mostly with
Justin Baldoni talking to the other producers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
About Blake Clively and it's.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
To do with after she put that warning to him
during filming where she got like her management team to
send his team a letter where it says like he
is not to touch her in this way, he has
not to speak to her in this way, he's not
to bring up her dead father, all that sort of stuff,
And now Justin Baldonis released an email that he sent
to the producers being like, now she's put us into
(13:05):
a corner, she's taken over the production. How am I
supposed to say anything now that she said these allegations
against me.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So it's the same sort of stuff, But it just keeps.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Going and going and going, with like more information coming
out of the same I guess from the same from
each camp.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, And I think that's probably why we've been sort
of holding back a little bit, is like it's just
so much information flying around and it is really confusing.
But you know what, we still are going to see
some of Taylor's texts that the lawyers still have part
of that. They've been able to subpaen a part of
Taylor's text messages, so Taylor is still not as involved,
(13:40):
but still slightly involved.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The thing is the court case is still next year,
Like there's still so much information that's going to come out,
and I do think she'll be brought into it in
a big way, just probably not in this way when
they thought we're going to make her whole phone public.
But I guess before then, we've got the Life of
a show Girl to come out and people can dissect
that song and try and figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Oh my god, I can't wait to say the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Okay, So Queen and North Sophie Turner was on Seth
Meyer's last week Late Night with Seth Meyers, and she
was talking about a couple of different things. She's promoting
her new movie Trust, but there was something at the
beginning of the interview that I thought was so funny.
And we've had a little bit of like internet sloothing
(14:25):
happening as well. I'm going to let her tell the
story because I feel like she tells it best.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
We were going to have a.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Great night, and then I really can't name names, rot
get in a lot of trouble. So I brought like
my best friend from my school days with me, and
she saw this actor that she like loved, and she
obviously just goes to me like can you just say hi?
And so I didn't know this actor, so I just went.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And that was it great.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And then later on I see this girl looking at
me and she's a famous actress and I was like, oh,
I have to go and tell her how much she
means to me. So I dance on over and she goes,
can you stop floating with my fiance.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And I was like, I was like, who's your fiance.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
She's like points at the guy that I'd waived out,
and I have no idea who this man is, right,
and then turns out I think they like broke their
engagement off that really because of my Oh my god,
I didn't realize I held this power.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah when I first said that, I didn't really think
that much about it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But my god, can the internet find a name?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We should just let that woman talk unfiltered all the
time because she tells the best stories. So yeah, first
she was like, obviously, I'm not going to say who
it is, but it was kind of easy to trace
because if you look at like the different comic cons
she went at, and how old she would have been
at the time, and who else was there. People have
deduced And I do think this is correct that it
was Evan Peters and Emma Roberts.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, so they had dated for a while, they were engaged.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
At the time, and then shortly after that broke off
their engagement. So I'm sure it wasn't just Sophie Turner's spot.
We can't blame the Queen in the North for everything.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, that's interesting, how she was like, and I found
out later they broke up that night. But also Sophie
Turner's to friends like she's there with her high school friend.
They're seeing Evan Peters.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
He was really off.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, he still is off the moment, but that
was like in the really heightened moment of him being
the star of American Horror Story and being in a
few other movies and people were very obsessed with him.
And it also tracks that Sophie Turner would be obsessed
with Emma Roberts because she is the kind of right
age to be watching her during her like early child
stardom days. She's the right age to have grown up
(16:38):
on like Wild Child and Nancy Drew and all of those,
like very classic Emma Roberts films. And there's also photos
of again we don't know exactly which Comic Con, but
there's photos of the year that Sophie Turner was there
of an after party for Comic Con, and the paparazzi
have Emma Roberts like outside the Comic Con party, absolutely
sobbing and like her friends are coming around her, and
(16:59):
Evan Peters is then coming over and they look like
they're making up those pictures.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Were a diamond dozen when those two were dating them.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, they think it was either like twenty fourteen or
twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
When that there's the photos. This is the thing. You
can't hide anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
No, but yeah, I love the way she tells the story,
especially when she talks about like she was.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like she just danced over. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Can you imagine if you thought someone was flirting with
your fiancea they just like dat stover tely.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, And there's also that is I feel Again, we
don't know for sure, but I do feel that is
the way Emma Roberts speaks like she would have been like,
can you stop fucking with my boyfriend? Because she's such
her That's why she plays those characters like Madison on
American Horror Stories so well, as she does that bitchy
mean girl so well. And that's where her and Evan
Peters met on American Horror Story. They were on and
off for a really long time, and everything we know
(17:46):
about their relationship is like they were so crazy, madly
in love. They would engage really young. Like the thing
is like she's only twenty. Emma Roberts at this time
would have been like twenty twenty one. Yeah, so people
do crazy shit in their early twenties. But that DV
thing you're talking about, yeah, is wild, because there was
a few times either like hotel stuff, so they did
something wild, or there's all these photos of them at
(18:07):
big events, red carpets having these block fights and then
making up afterwards. But that particular one was in there
in this hotel room in Canada and the police were
called because everyone else in the hotel her this blowout
fight happening and they thought someone was being killed.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Called the police.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
The police got there and they found Emma Roberts like hysterical,
and then Evan Peters. This is all from the police report,
which unfortunately was released at the time, and Evan Peters
had what looked like kind of like a broken nose
and also bitemarks all over him. So then Emma Roberts
was taken to the police station, she had to give
a statement, and then there's photos of Evan Peter's like
going to pick her up and then like hugging and
(18:42):
sobbing together in the car park.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, toxic relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, and you can just yeah, like she is sobbing
in this car park of this police station and he's
hugging her. It looks like he's saying I love you.
Then her team released a statement saying it had been
a big misunderstanding and things going out of control and
that they were like working on their relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But yeah, so I kind of do believe that it tracked.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Little Sophie Turner coming in with one little wave could
have blown the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And Sophie Turners it just like I feel like, particularly
in those early days of Game of Thrones, like she
was just like loving life, like this is Game of
Thrones is like the biggest show on television. She's at
coma gon, she's hanging out with her maids, she gets
to bring her best friend, like she's enjoying. It's like
this is still new for her. So like, I feel
a little bit sad for her. But she did actually
(19:29):
tell another story in this that something that I have
loved listening to. Because again, if you are a Game
of Thrones fan, you know that her and.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Kid Harrington would play for brother and Sister.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And so she's in this new movie with him, called
The Dreadful.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
She's also producing it.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Earlier in the interview, she talks about her current movies
she's covered in cockroaches and rats, and this is what
she has to say when Seth says what was worse
kissing Kid Harrington or being covered in roaches and rats.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I just got the script for this amazing gothic horror
called The Dreadful, and I was reading through all the
characters and I'm producing it. So the director was asking me,
you know, who do you think? And immediately the first
person I thought of was Kit, and so I sent
the script to Kit and he he kind of sent
me a message back going like, yeah, I'd love.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
To, but this is going to be really weird.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So and I was like, what is he talking about?
And I was reading it and I'm like, kiss kiss sex,
kiss sexy. And then I'm like, oh, shoot, that's my brother. Yeah,
but it's such a good script that he was like,
we kind of have to do it. So then we
put it out our minds and then we get on
set and it's the first kissing scene and we are
(20:44):
both wretching.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like, really, it is vile. It was the worst.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Another really bad moment in my career.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Was it worse than the cockroaches? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, thank
you for your honesty.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, I had to have to be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
It was bad. I believe her. I think it's okay.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Do you play brother and sister as adults, like when
you're two adults coming in.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, and there's lots.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Of people who played adults on TV who have gone
on to date or even get married. On Dexter, the
actor who played Dexter and his sister, they got married
and had like a very tumultuous relationship. The same on
Parenthood with Peter Krause and Lauren Graham's relationship, Like they
prayed brother and sister and this is while they're playing
brother and sister. They played brother and sister all the
way through that show run and dated at the same time.
(21:31):
So I feel like that's slightly better because you're like
two adults coming in, but they were children.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And this is a particular thing.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like I think when Sophie Tenner started, which was like
thirteen and Kit would have been like twenty, so like, ill,
like I knew you when you were a child.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's the only weird thing it's throwing me. I mean,
they're both adults now on the Actors and it's not
and they clearly wanted to do it. It's like she's
producing the movie. It's not like they were just throwing together.
And the marketing sells it so well of like not
only a former Game of Thrones like cast members teaming up,
but a brother and sister teaming up to be in
love like people and have sex scenes.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
People are gonna go watch that.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But yeah, it's this weird thing of seeing photos of
them on set when the show first started, and he's
like this burly guy with a beard and she's like
this tiny, little like tween. They're very brother and sister
in the photos, and I just feel.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Like and obviously, and even the way that Kit responds
like this is gonna be so fucking weird. So yeah, yeah,
like they are really familiar with each other, and that
is really clear. But it did make me laugh, It
makes me giggle, and it makes me really want to
watch the movie. Yeah, even though I hate gothic horror,
like horror movies are like my worst nightmare, but I
will watch it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I freaking love a gothic horror.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
But I almost wish that it wasn't those two because
it's gonna take me out of it, Like I almost
wish I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I didn't wasn't thinking of the whole brother and sister
thing just watching it. Well, we'll see. I'll be the
judge of that. They could do it. I believe in them. Sophie.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Don't has like really come out for me like I
want to see her in more.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I love her look the same. I'm reserving my judgment
until I see it. But sometimes I don't like a
backstory with a movie.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I like to experience it. But as I said, we'll
see when it comes out.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So this week you can get twenty percent off a
Mama Maya subscription and Mama Maya will match that twenty
percent and donate it to Rise Up, a charity supporting
women and families affected by domestic violence.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And don't forget to follow The Spill on TikTok and Instagram,
where we post interview clips, clips from the show, and
any little red carpet moments we think you would be
dying to see. And The Spill is produced by Minitia
Isswarren with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we'll see
you back here on your podcast Speed for all the
Slob headlines at eight am tomorrow with Morning Tea, then
(23:39):
back with The Spill main show at three pm tomorrow,
Bye Bye Blan
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