June 4, 2025 • 29 mins
On the show today, the Logies 2025 date has been confirmed, and while we prepare for Australian TV’s ‘night of nights’, some very well-known Australian TV stars have complained that they’ve been uninvited. Allow us to explain exactly what has happened.
And in a clever business move, actress and producer Sydney Sweeney is selling her literal bathwater, and we have a very pressing question about the rule she’s set for who is allowed to buy it.
Plus, in a huge week for Sydney Sweeney, she has also given a tell-all interview about ending her engagement and the career roadblocks she is facing, an interview in which she utters the one sentence we thought was forbidden in Hollywood.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Kissenia Lukish and.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Coming up on the show today, Well, one lady that
we have a lot to say about a lot of
different story threads happening around her at the moment. It's
Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I love Sydney Sweeney, but there is a lot going
on with her and some bathwater.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, there's actually I mean, there's three things about Sidney
Sweeney we must urgently address on today's episode. There is
her very interesting new product. There is the demise of
her relationship, which we'll get into. And there's also some
very interesting comments that she's made about other women in
Hollywood where she's really double down. So we're going to
get into that, but first we have a bit of
(01:06):
a local gossip to get into.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
The Logies Australia's Night of Nights.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I know people say that in like a silly way now,
but can I just say, growing up the Logies was
the biggest night of the year for me, Like I
would stay up late to watch it. It was the
most exciting thing because it was the only time you'd
see like all the stars from McLeod's Daughters and Blue
Heelers and Home and Away all the same room together.
Life changing, do.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know what. There's been this discourse around it being
kind of a little bit cheesy, but I've only been
one year inside the room. I had a blast.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's fun, right, I had.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So much fun, And yeah, it was like the after
parties were great, like it was a great night. So
I know, cops a lot of flak, but it really
is fun and look Australian TV, there are some really
great things out there. I think what we're really focusing
on here, though, is the backlash from a lot of
(02:04):
the Maths contestants not being in Vice.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes. So this week it was confirmed that the Logis
are going to take place on August third in Sydney.
Mark that and new calendars I got last year. I
had just come back from three weeks in Europe and
I went home and went directly to Logi's red carpet
with like no stops in between. And so last year's
is just I have no memory of being there. There's
videos of me being there, but I physically can't remember it.
So I'm like looking forward to this year and hopefully
(02:29):
going and remembering.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And Sampang, who you might know frohim, Have You Been
Paying Attention? He's hosting for the third year in a row.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I love Sampang hosting. I love his opening monologue, Like
he doesn't skewer the celebrities like American award shows do
as much, but he's always got some fun commentary like
kind of sprinkled in there.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's a funny guy. I actually, again, I was a
guest on Have You Been Paying Attention? And hey, like
he really like gave it to me and I was
love it. It was just so funny Sampang, I love it,
and I was like giving your back. It was very,
very enjoyable. I think he's great.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, good host.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
But a lot of the back and forth has been
do these Maths Contestants, which is Channel nine's biggest show
in terms of bringing in dollars. It is the most
popular show on television, but a lot of the cast
members are not invited and they have something to say
about it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yes, that's what we're learning so off the back of
the logis date being announced Daily Mail. Who look, I
know sometimes they fabricate things, but a little bit of
this feels legit so that they can reveal that only
a few of this year's stars from merrit at First
Site are going to be attending the logis. And they
said that their sources said that contestants like Jamie Athena Ree,
Jeff Ryan, Carina, Elliott Beth and TJ would all be attending.
(03:50):
And the thinking behind that is is that apparently they're
the ones that have like stayed in good standing with
Channel nine through all of the shows, filming and everything
that happened afterwards. They have attended events, they like towed
the company line, and their reward allegedly is to be
the ones that are chosen and handpicked to go to
the Logis. And so that's this idea that a couple
(04:12):
of like the big names from this year will be
banned from the logis. This is something we saw happened
last year when only a few of the past participants
including Evelyn Ellis, Jules Robinson and Cameron Merchant were invited
to the twenty twenty four ceremony and then over the years,
a lot of other cast members who have been the
big names from Maths have been left off the list,
and it's only the ones who have kind of been
deemed the acceptable media personalities that get to go well.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Adleien did say that he's not invited. He's like, I'm
not surprised. I haven't spoken to anyone about it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah. He did an interview with Chatter and he said
that he's removed himself from anything Maths related, and then said,
I've removed myself from anything like that or TV related,
from Maths to insta, all things Maths on social as well.
Nor have I spoken to any of the cast but
that sort of stuff. So I have no clue I
haven't been invited. I mean, yeah, I'd go over the
social side to meet people for sure. So he's saying
(05:04):
he hasn't been invited. And then Marina, who spoke out
about the show since episode one, said that she also
has a been invited to the logis and said, I
haven't been invited, just as I've been excluded from every
event even during filming, that hasn't changed. Attending the logis
would be an honor and a privilege, though to be honest,
I prefer not to be seated at the table with
the Maths cast season twelve. I have no issue sharing
(05:27):
a room with them, but I won't waste my energy
on people who have unfairly shut me out.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay, sorry, I need to just jump out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I feel like I know what you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Say, Honey. Channel nine have a number of tables, okay,
and they're going to put people at each table. You're
going to be on a maths table. No one cares, like,
I don't know. Sometimes I feel like the ego of
some of these people is just so delusional, like it's
(05:55):
still not a massive room here, yeah, and there are actions.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
There's a lot of room between those tables. If you've
been to that event, like your practice.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And you would it's tight. Like the year that I went,
I was like right up nosebleed, like yeah, right up
the back. I think my back was to the staff,
like couldn't say anything. I was stoked. So yeah, I think, like,
just lower your expectations and even.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think, and again I'm not public putting anything on
this woman, but I think that's where the conversation comes from,
is that so many of these math contestants either fight publicly,
they fight with different publications, and then they also kind
of infer that they might be fighting in the room
and you just can't fight at the logis That's what
I'm gonna say. If the cast of Home and Away
and Neighbors can keep their beef which is imagined but
(06:37):
still separate at these events, then you can't have the
MATHS cast coming in and like potentially causing a scene.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's also like they are the epitome of a one
hit one day. You know, each season is a different cast. Yeah, right,
So it's not exactly like if you don't get invited
one year, you're definitely not going to go the next.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Unless you get cars something else. It also depends on
like the networks, like they get a certain number of
tables or different networks, and it depends on who's nominated,
who's one before, who's presenting, and so you do get
to pick. It's like with like the movies who are
nominated look at Me and drawing a parallel from the
logos to the oscars. The oscars when they get a
certain number of tickets for each nomination, and then it's
the people who own the studio who pick who's going.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Exactly so Channel nine will be allotted at a number
of tables. If you think about that number of talent
they have and the number of people that are on maps,
they're not going to be able to invite all of
them to have them all.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It does not work, oh no, And I understand that.
My only thinking on that is is that if you
kind of look at it from a numbers perspective, is
that the idea of this is to obviously celebrate all
these amazing AUSSI TV shows, but it's also for networks
to bring all their talent out and for the people
who made Australian TV in the last year to be
the ones who are celebrated. And whether you like the
(07:51):
show or not, like the numbers don't lie that Married
at First Sight is the biggest show in Australia while
it's on, and that's very much due to these people
putting their lives on camera, having all their antiques, marrowing strangers.
So I just think it's kind of interesting that these
are the people who brought in the biggest TV ratings,
but they're the ones, because they're not seen a prestige,
who get barred from going to the event. That's to
(08:13):
celebrate TV. Well, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know where you're coming from. But also, let's bear
in mind this is airing on Channel seven. Yes, so
again Channel nine. While they will have their big talent there,
they may not be allotted as many tables, Like I
don't know what the exact layout is of it each year, yeah,
but you are allotted a specific number of tables and
(08:36):
it's just not going.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But I even think if it was on Channel nine,
I still think all of the mass casts wouldn't be
invited because I think, I mean potentially, I don't know.
I'm not in the Channel nine executive rooms, but I
just think because things blow up after the show. Contestants
like Jackie you Go Rogan say like, this is what
it's happening behind the scenes, Yeah, this is what I
saw here. They like break social media rules. So potentially
it's a way for them to rain in contestants who
(09:00):
might misbehave or a wait for them to like build
up relationships with people they want to keep working with,
to shut others down so they kind of move away
and don't like bad mouth the show. I don't know,
I yeah, I think it's maybe the table thing, but
I think it's more like, who do we want to
attach our name to.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, yeah, and if you're going to call out the
show for doing all of these different things, why would
you expect to be invited to something by them at
a later day like that? To me's delusion?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, no, I know. But I also just think it's
a bit rich for some Australian like TV and film
people to be like, oh no, we don't want the
massive people here because I'll cause a stir. And I
was like, I've been to this event. I've also been
to as of you been to many like Australian film
and TV events like you guys get super rowdy as
well parties those after parties. There's a reason that no
photos come out from those. Well and not just the logis,
(09:49):
but like all these kind of big after parties wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Even let me because I was a journalist.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, like you can't speak of what you see here.
I don't worry, I won't.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We'll talk after.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah. But what I'm just saying is obviously that's any industry.
But what I'm saying is it's not like for film
and TV people sit there politely talk about their craft
and go home like it's pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Loose and that's just for you and that's what I love. Also,
I love about the logis is that exactly it? It's
supposed to be kind of fun, but I.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Just don't want people sitting that their halos being like,
we would never fight with anyone. It's like, yes, you would,
we know. Anyway, the logis August third. I'm excited and
maybe there'll be some maths people outside like just trying
to slip into the event.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Now, Sydney Sweeney is kind of like she's like the
Golden Girl at the moment. Yes, you know, she's had
her rom coms. We know her from Euphoria. She's twenty
seven years old. She's kind of got this Margot Robbie
thing going for her, bit of a sex symbol. And
at the end of last year she made this commercial
with this company called doctor Squatch. Now have you seen
(10:53):
this commercial?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay, because we made it. Should we place the audio
from this? Hello, you dirty little boys? Are you interested
in my body? Watch?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well you can't have it because this isn't from boys,
it's from men.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So it's like very much playing into like the sexuality
of you know, Sydney Sweeney in a bath with this
bar of soap. Now, apparently there was so much excitement
after this that they're now launching a limited edition Sydney
Sweeney bathwater soap and it's called Sydney's bath Water Bliss
(11:32):
and it's going to be available on June sixth of
this year. Now five thousand bars only, so.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
This is really limited as a limited edition.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I wonder how many baths Sydney had to take to.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Fill to fill the demand, to fill the demand.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
He's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I have some questions about the logistics of this bathwater soap.
So when Sydney Sweeney put up the big introduction post
for it, she said, you kept asking about my bath
water after this ad first question, who was asking that?
She looks hot as hell like I But who's messaging
her and saying whatever happened to that bathwater?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
People like that?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No I know, but I am saying like, men are gross?
Oh no, I know what men on the internet ask for.
When people say like they asked for feet picks, I'm like,
that's you should be lucky that's all they asked for.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Because the escalating I have been asked for fate picks.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, but isn't that like in this day and age,
the things you could be asked for, isn't that quite?
Like sweet and lovely? Like, oh just a little foot pick,
that's fine. Things can get much.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Work, yeah, like used punters or something.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, very Look it's not always. She does have so
flippant like you've all been asking about my bath water.
It's sounded like an influencer being like you've all been
asked about my lip combo, so here it does. And
she's like, you've all been asked about my bath water,
so here it is because she's saying it's my actual bathwater.
But my thought was for a second, like is she
saying it's the bath water from the actual ad? Because
I'm like, who the hell kept that?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No, I think she's just like I don't actually think
she's taking a bath in it to.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Be I don't think she has either. Don't Sidney Swingy
a liar?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But I but I believe she's She's like, I doubt it.
It's a marketing thing, it's a par thing. It's just
I think it's tongue in cheek. It's playing on her
sex symbol vibe, and she's obviously being paid a lot
of money by this company by Doctor Squatch, which every
time I read it, I keep thinking of doctor Snatch
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh, it's if you think of a sasquatch, my favorite.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Creature, which is an interesting They double on tundra their
doctor Snatch, doctor Squatch. I don't know if we're allowed
to put that in.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's a bit. So she's basically saying that she sat
in the bath water. She's a busy lady, probably had
her laptop, she was answering emails. She's saying, they've scooped
all the bath water out and packaged it up into
this soap. Is that right?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yes? And it's you know, got some cocoa butter in there,
at the things in there, and I mean infect it,
throwing a bit of cocoa butter and fine, anything to
make a man bathe. At this point, like this is
kind of where this conversation is going, and a lot
of the comments are like, really, is this where we're at?
Like is this?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Oh my god? Let the girl sellow bathwater. It's fine.
She has to put it with creepy meat and her
dam's asking for weird stuff. She might as well make
some money off it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So that the interesting thing is so it's been limited
to five thousand bars only and purchases must be eighteen
years older to buy. Oh that's clever, which I find
kind of creepy. It feels a bit o.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
No, I know, but I think that's making it all
sound because I think we can safely go ahead and
say that these soaps do not contain any Sydney Sweeney bathway.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But you there's like a day claim we're on the bottom.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And if it does by the time you, I'm gonna
go out and alive here and say, I don't know
how you make soap, but I'm assuming there's some sort
of boiling, some sort of stirring that it has to cool.
All that sort of stuff. Any of her actual like
essence has been like boiled away in the making of
the soap, so it's just regular soap at this stage.
But putting the eighteen plus disclaimer on it just makes
it feel a bit more erotic and sexy. It's such
(14:51):
good marketing. It reminds me of like the recent episode
you and I did, what we talked about the Kim
Kardashian pier snipple bra and the idea of that is
like they're not making money off the Pier Snipple Bra.
It's all just a bit of extra promo for all
the other stuff they sell, So they're hoping that people
who can't get this particular soap will just buy things
from this brand because it's adjacent to her sexy soap.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Look, I get that bag, honey. I'm sure she got
paid in absolute motter for it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, and she's leaning and she knows what she's doing.
She's leaning in. Can I just say, I freaking would
love some of that soap, just to see that's a
pr package. I'd be very excited about. You look qrrified.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I Like, I'm not really sound interested.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In, you know, want to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I'm more interesting it is Nipplebra to be honest.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh, I mean I would have loved that as well.
But I'm not on the skims pr list, nor am
I on the Doctor Snatch Doctor Scotch list. No one's
sending me anything, so that's a bit sad. But I
love to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But the interesting conversation here is there has been a
little bit of conversation about Sydney Sweeney getting upset about
her over sexualization in Hollywood, which you know she's doing this,
which is obviously very geared, very heavily towards men and
the men that idolize her and see her as this
sex symbol. So she's leaning into that, but then also
(16:08):
criticizing the fact that people don't take her so seriously
as a producer. So there's that kind of Christism, which
I understand. However, that woman is well within her rights
to do whatever the hell she wants. Like, let's look
at someone like Margot Robbie. I made this comparison before,
but you know, Margot Robbie was full frontal nude in
(16:29):
The Wolf of Wall Street and then she did, you know,
in the Big Short. She was in that bar, and
let's let Margot Robbie explain to you. Yeah, and has
then gone on using all of that to produce and
you know, star in some really wonderful movies, like including
a Tania Like she's used that to her advantage. And
(16:49):
I think that is kind of what Sidney Sweeney is
doing now, because I think producing is really her next
big goal. And she's saying that a lot of the
negativity that she receives is from women in Hollywood. And
what I think she's referencing particularly here is this producer
called Carol Baum, who made this remark about her about
(17:12):
a year ago. She teaches a producing class at USC
School of Cinematic Arts, and she added, I said to
my class, explain this girl to me. She's not pretty,
she can't act. Why is she so hot? And Carabaum
is an older producer, older woman, it kind of feels
a little bit like it's not really necessary to pull
(17:34):
down Sydney. It feels like attack me, Like she doesn't
need to be attacking her. Yeah, and I think I
understand that. I feel like that's kind of where she's
getting that from, is that people don't take her seriously
because she does these things. But maybe this is a
calculated move. I'm going to be doing this so so
that I can go produce and executive produce the movies
(17:57):
and projects that I want to do.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, It's an interesting thing with these like women in
Hollywood who are very conventionally attractive and beautiful but also
have this idea of like wanting to build their own
business within it, and how they it's almost like they
sort of take from both sides in a way that
they're like very welcome to do it. Of course you would,
but it is an interesting one Margot Robbie have always
found interesting because there's a few actresses like i'd say Margo,
(18:21):
Robbie and Reese with this certain in particular come to
mind of women who have this very public persona as
like these beautiful, bubbly blondes who always look gorgeous on
a red carpet, but have gone into their career very
like business orientated. And I think for Margo Robbie, like
she always kind of has the last laugh in that
sense of like everyone was shitting on her for or
her chanel looks during awards seasons and things. But the
(18:43):
reason that she signs those big fashion contracts is because
she knows that she's going to be photographed on a
red carpet regardless, and she's going to get those headlines,
so she doesn't need to always have those big fashion moments.
But she took all that money and started her production company,
and then I find also like the projects that she
picks are very commercially minded, so like Saltburn, people at
like Margo Robbie hood produce that and obviously not the
(19:05):
most critically acclaimed movie, but very buzzy, very audience friendly
Bar that she produced was one of those ones where
it was both critically friendly and audience friendly, but at
the end of the day, it was about bringing people
into the cinema and like getting their money and even
Sirens that we talked about last week with the really
honest review on Netflix, like Margo Robbie produced that she's
so smart. But at the same time, it's that idea
(19:26):
of like you kind of get a seat at the
table almost to get in these acting roles, which then
gives you the cachet to have these big production roles
because of how you look. And I think that's the
kind of interesting thing with Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's almost like she's using her sexuality and her beauty
and youth to get that seat at the table. But
that does not mean that she is stupid or doesn't
have a long term plan.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, and I think that's into I don't know, I'm
a little fatigued with this conversation that's popped up over
the last couple of years around like this idea that
pretty women get held back, because the thing is you
not necessarily getting held back because you wouldn't have been
And this is obviously awful and I wish the world
didn't work this way. But it's like, you wouldn't be
on these TV shows if you didn't look a certain way.
(20:11):
You wouldn't be getting these big fashion contracts, in these
bathwater contracts if you didn't look a certain way. So
I'm kind of like, I feel like my attention is
going to be a little less on women who are
complaining that they have all this power and success, but
it's been a bit harder because they're beautiful, and instead
thinking about the women who didn't even get us seat
at the table because they don't look a certain way.
But again, I know that's a lot to put on
Sydney Sweeney. And again, the reason she's asked is that
(20:33):
she did this big Sunday Times profile recently where she
was asked about a huge amount of things. She confirmed
that she's single, her relationship has broken up, which I
don't know. She seems very footloose in fancy free. I
like that for her as just saying she's only twenty seven,
which is crazy and.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
He was forty one. Yeah, again one of these age
gap relationships. Again, but like you're twenty seven, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I know. The only kind of thing is I started.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Twenty When did I get married? I got married at
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I think that's okay, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I mean, I feel like that's quite young.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Maybe yeah, I guess now, well, people just live, like
I guess, different lifestyles. But I think you're okay.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I know. I mean, we've been together for like sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I think we'll give you guys a pass. But
I went to a friend's wedding the day and she's
thirty four, and she's like, I feel like I'm a
child bride. I'm like, you are. This is so I
was like, if you thought this through, this feels really rush.
But anyway, in this same interview, because she gave those
comments to Vanity Fair over a year ago, after that
whole thing about the professor, who I should say, did
apologize those cities, Yes she did.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
She did.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
She said like they were obviously awful, saying that she
wasn't attractive or talented. But so I'm not giving her
a pass. But she said them like in a closed
room when she was giving a speech at a film event,
and I don't think she thought they would go as
global as they did. So then Sidney Sweeney did her
Vanity Fair piece and was asked about that, and she
basically said, like, I know there's this big story about
women in Hollywood supporting each other and being there for
(21:54):
each other, but that has absolutely not been my experience.
And a lot of actresses came out after that and
said that maybe she just hasn't experienced the right thing,
or that's not their experience. And I remember when I
interviewed Teresa Palmer for No Filter. I asked her about
it because she's a big kind of champion female friendships
behind the scenes in Hollywood all that sort of stuff,
and she was so visibly shocked. I could barely even
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keep asking her about it. She was like, really taken aback.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Theresa Palmava is a very special person though she gives
off the most positive, beautiful vibes, and absolutely I think
she really is a champion for women. And I do
think that environmentally, it depends on the environment. Like if
you think about the classic like media office or like
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magazine office, where there was like it was really caddy,
whereas and here I'm going to plug MoMA Maya. Here,
everybody's so freaking nice here, like it's all women and
everybody is so lovely and supportive, And I really do
think it's about the environment and the people that you
surround yourself with. And I think maybe she's had people
who have been jealous of her and have made it
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hard for her. But yes, obviously she's got pretty privilege
and she's gorgeous and.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't I don't know, like it's
hard because I think maybe those two threads are separate.
Where she talks about being over sexualized, I think that's
almost kind of one thing, and then when she's talking
about women in Hollywood not being supportive and when behind
the scenes that's another, because that'd sanity fair thing. It's
interesting because that was a while ago and there was
a big kind of blow up around it, and I
thought at the time it was brave of her to say,
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because that is, like, if Hollywood's a company, like, that's
not towing the company line, because everyone in Hollywood is like,
women support each other, we do this, we do that.
And so for someone who's like very powerful but still
coming up in the ranks to say that's not the case,
I thought it was quite brave. And then also to
double down on it again because in this Sunday Times
interview that's only been released in over the last couple
of days, she said that she wants to be taken
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really seriously, she wants to be in the room, and
she has a really difficult time with that. And this
is a direct quote from her article where she says,
to be honest, I always find that it's women who
give me the hardest time. And she said that it
happens in the boardroom, at auditions and on sets, and
she's like, I see it all the time. They don't
think I'm right for the role because Cassie, who's her
character in Euphoria, was very sexualized, and that puts a
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wall up for people, and I'm always having to explain
to them that I'm an actor.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I mean, how many actors actresses have been typecast?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I don't think that that's unusual. I think it's sometimes
is very difficult for people to see, especially in a
role as iconic as what Cassie's role was in Euphoria,
despite the fact that these are supposed to be the
most creative minds in Hollywood. Sometimes they just can't see
past that. Yeah, So I understand that to a certain extent.
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I really do. I actually think she's got a huge
future ahead of her. I think she's smart. I think
she's funny. I think she's had fun with this doctor
Squatch soap thing. You know, she's dropped her engagement. Like
she's got a number of really great movies coming up.
She's producing, executive producing. I think that she's got a
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really big future.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She's so when you hear her speak, so it's obviously
I don't know her, so I don't know. So it's
either that she's very calculated or she's got a team
around her that's very calculated, and she listens to them
because I just love listening to her speak how everything
leads to something else. Like she'll say, yes, I know
Madam Webb was bad, but I made that movie so
the company would make Immaculate, which was the horror film
she wanted to produce and star in. And then like
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someone will make a joke about her selling her Bathward
and she'll be like, yes, but it'll fund this other movie.
And then she got a lot of backlash for anyone
but you pressed to her, which was like her kind
of brainchild of her and Glen Powell pretending they're together,
obviously not being together, but her thinking on that was
like yeah, we pretend to be together. And then my
company who produced that movie made a huge amount of money,
and so she's very I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Really hated that movie. I really like her and Glenn Powell.
I think that it's not a great movie, but I
like she couldn't finish it. Oh really, I thought it
was really well.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I would love to see them in something else. I
think that movie did a little bit of a disservice
to them as act.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's not it was not good acting. Unfortunately, she can act,
she absolutely can.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Like I think she was too busy Do you think
she's just too busy producing? She forgot her character changes
like halfway through with.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The explanation, But again we're not talking about that.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But business very calculated. But she must be calculated enough
to know that she but putting this information out there
is not going to hurt her in a way or
potentially she's just because I know, like it can be
a bit of a red flag when you hear a
girl say that women are hard to work with. Women
are this? I don't like that, like all of a sudden,
like I think like we're kind of geared to like
our own red flags go up, and you're like will
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you sound like the problem. Yeah, you sound like a
pick me gu Yeah, exactly, this idea so like, that's
my first thought when when I read these comments from
Sydney Sweening saying that women are the ones who give
her the hardest time and that this sisterhood in Hollywood
doesn't exist. But I also just think she's been in
the trenches for a while. Something must have happened, something
must have been her experience that's hit her so hard
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that she thinks it's worth it to go out in
these interview and given unpopular opinion, it's my only thought.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Look, I've been in this industry since I was about
twenty four, modeling before that, and I can save the
times that I have had really difficult experiences. I would
say a lot of it has been older women as well. Yeah,
so I don't think it's that unusual a thing to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah. Yes, it just become unpopular to say because it
doesn't suit the girlhood women together, so still a band try.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, and then people got aholding into jealous. It's like
there's a whole bunch of things. But I don't doubt
that she's had women in her life who have not
been supportive of her. But we cannot generalize that everyone's
like that, because I know that there are some great, supportive,
wonderful women, one of whom is sitting rights today. We
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might hu, guys, there's two big mics in the way,
but my laptop. I can't get up right now.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
That's all right. Physical affection can wait till afterwards. I
don't think she's got a huge amount backlash to this,
so I think it's fine. I just do hope that
like these waves that come after she does her interviews
don't knock this like truth telling out of hers. I've
got to say, even if I don't always agree with
what she says, I just want it so refreshing to
hear someone who I actually feel like, yeah, it's being
really honest, is not overly worried about how the industry
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is going to perceive her, and just actually says what's happening.
That's so rare nowadays with how media trained everyone is.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes, I love I love someone who will just like
tell it like it is.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, keep doing what you're doing, Sidney Suaiting, Well, we'll
link her full interview in the Sunday Times in the
show notes so you can have a full read and
see what she has to say about women in Hollywood
and breaking up her engagement. Well, thank you so much
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Kissenia Lukish and.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Coming up on the show today, Well, one lady that
we have a lot to say about a lot of
different story threads happening around her at the moment. It's
Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I love Sydney Sweeney, but there is a lot going
on with her and some bathwater.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, there's actually I mean, there's three things about Sidney
Sweeney we must urgently address on today's episode. There is
her very interesting new product. There is the demise of
her relationship, which we'll get into. And there's also some
very interesting comments that she's made about other women in
Hollywood where she's really double down. So we're going to
get into that, but first we have a bit of
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a local gossip to get into.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
The Logies Australia's Night of Nights.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I know people say that in like a silly way now,
but can I just say, growing up the Logies was
the biggest night of the year for me, Like I
would stay up late to watch it. It was the
most exciting thing because it was the only time you'd
see like all the stars from McLeod's Daughters and Blue
Heelers and Home and Away all the same room together.
Life changing, do.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know what. There's been this discourse around it being
kind of a little bit cheesy, but I've only been
one year inside the room. I had a blast.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's fun, right, I had.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So much fun, And yeah, it was like the after
parties were great, like it was a great night. So
I know, cops a lot of flak, but it really
is fun and look Australian TV, there are some really
great things out there. I think what we're really focusing
on here, though, is the backlash from a lot of
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the Maths contestants not being in Vice.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes. So this week it was confirmed that the Logis
are going to take place on August third in Sydney.
Mark that and new calendars I got last year. I
had just come back from three weeks in Europe and
I went home and went directly to Logi's red carpet
with like no stops in between. And so last year's
is just I have no memory of being there. There's
videos of me being there, but I physically can't remember it.
So I'm like looking forward to this year and hopefully
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going and remembering.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And Sampang, who you might know frohim, Have You Been
Paying Attention? He's hosting for the third year in a row.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I love Sampang hosting. I love his opening monologue, Like
he doesn't skewer the celebrities like American award shows do
as much, but he's always got some fun commentary like
kind of sprinkled in there.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's a funny guy. I actually, again, I was a
guest on Have You Been Paying Attention? And hey, like
he really like gave it to me and I was
love it. It was just so funny Sampang, I love it,
and I was like giving your back. It was very,
very enjoyable. I think he's great.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, good host.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
But a lot of the back and forth has been
do these Maths Contestants, which is Channel nine's biggest show
in terms of bringing in dollars. It is the most
popular show on television, but a lot of the cast
members are not invited and they have something to say
about it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yes, that's what we're learning so off the back of
the logis date being announced Daily Mail. Who look, I
know sometimes they fabricate things, but a little bit of
this feels legit so that they can reveal that only
a few of this year's stars from merrit at First
Site are going to be attending the logis. And they
said that their sources said that contestants like Jamie Athena Ree,
Jeff Ryan, Carina, Elliott Beth and TJ would all be attending.
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And the thinking behind that is is that apparently they're
the ones that have like stayed in good standing with
Channel nine through all of the shows, filming and everything
that happened afterwards. They have attended events, they like towed
the company line, and their reward allegedly is to be
the ones that are chosen and handpicked to go to
the Logis. And so that's this idea that a couple
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of like the big names from this year will be
banned from the logis. This is something we saw happened
last year when only a few of the past participants
including Evelyn Ellis, Jules Robinson and Cameron Merchant were invited
to the twenty twenty four ceremony and then over the years,
a lot of other cast members who have been the
big names from Maths have been left off the list,
and it's only the ones who have kind of been
deemed the acceptable media personalities that get to go well.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Adleien did say that he's not invited. He's like, I'm
not surprised. I haven't spoken to anyone about it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah. He did an interview with Chatter and he said
that he's removed himself from anything Maths related, and then said,
I've removed myself from anything like that or TV related,
from Maths to insta, all things Maths on social as well.
Nor have I spoken to any of the cast but
that sort of stuff. So I have no clue I
haven't been invited. I mean, yeah, I'd go over the
social side to meet people for sure. So he's saying
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he hasn't been invited. And then Marina, who spoke out
about the show since episode one, said that she also
has a been invited to the logis and said, I
haven't been invited, just as I've been excluded from every
event even during filming, that hasn't changed. Attending the logis
would be an honor and a privilege, though to be honest,
I prefer not to be seated at the table with
the Maths cast season twelve. I have no issue sharing
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a room with them, but I won't waste my energy
on people who have unfairly shut me out.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay, sorry, I need to just jump out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I feel like I know what you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Say, Honey. Channel nine have a number of tables, okay,
and they're going to put people at each table. You're
going to be on a maths table. No one cares, like,
I don't know. Sometimes I feel like the ego of
some of these people is just so delusional, like it's
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still not a massive room here, yeah, and there are actions.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
There's a lot of room between those tables. If you've
been to that event, like your practice.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And you would it's tight. Like the year that I went,
I was like right up nosebleed, like yeah, right up
the back. I think my back was to the staff,
like couldn't say anything. I was stoked. So yeah, I think, like,
just lower your expectations and even.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think, and again I'm not public putting anything on
this woman, but I think that's where the conversation comes from,
is that so many of these math contestants either fight publicly,
they fight with different publications, and then they also kind
of infer that they might be fighting in the room
and you just can't fight at the logis That's what
I'm gonna say. If the cast of Home and Away
and Neighbors can keep their beef which is imagined but
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still separate at these events, then you can't have the
MATHS cast coming in and like potentially causing a scene.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's also like they are the epitome of a one
hit one day. You know, each season is a different cast. Yeah, right,
So it's not exactly like if you don't get invited
one year, you're definitely not going to go the next.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Unless you get cars something else. It also depends on
like the networks, like they get a certain number of
tables or different networks, and it depends on who's nominated,
who's one before, who's presenting, and so you do get
to pick. It's like with like the movies who are
nominated look at Me and drawing a parallel from the
logos to the oscars. The oscars when they get a
certain number of tickets for each nomination, and then it's
the people who own the studio who pick who's going.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Exactly so Channel nine will be allotted at a number
of tables. If you think about that number of talent
they have and the number of people that are on maps,
they're not going to be able to invite all of
them to have them all.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It does not work, oh no, And I understand that.
My only thinking on that is is that if you
kind of look at it from a numbers perspective, is
that the idea of this is to obviously celebrate all
these amazing AUSSI TV shows, but it's also for networks
to bring all their talent out and for the people
who made Australian TV in the last year to be
the ones who are celebrated. And whether you like the
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show or not, like the numbers don't lie that Married
at First Sight is the biggest show in Australia while
it's on, and that's very much due to these people
putting their lives on camera, having all their antiques, marrowing strangers.
So I just think it's kind of interesting that these
are the people who brought in the biggest TV ratings,
but they're the ones, because they're not seen a prestige,
who get barred from going to the event. That's to
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celebrate TV. Well, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know where you're coming from. But also, let's bear
in mind this is airing on Channel seven. Yes, so
again Channel nine. While they will have their big talent there,
they may not be allotted as many tables, Like I
don't know what the exact layout is of it each year, yeah,
but you are allotted a specific number of tables and
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it's just not going.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But I even think if it was on Channel nine,
I still think all of the mass casts wouldn't be
invited because I think, I mean potentially, I don't know.
I'm not in the Channel nine executive rooms, but I
just think because things blow up after the show. Contestants
like Jackie you Go Rogan say like, this is what
it's happening behind the scenes, Yeah, this is what I
saw here. They like break social media rules. So potentially
it's a way for them to rain in contestants who
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might misbehave or a wait for them to like build
up relationships with people they want to keep working with,
to shut others down so they kind of move away
and don't like bad mouth the show. I don't know,
I yeah, I think it's maybe the table thing, but
I think it's more like, who do we want to
attach our name to.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, yeah, and if you're going to call out the
show for doing all of these different things, why would
you expect to be invited to something by them at
a later day like that? To me's delusion?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, no, I know. But I also just think it's
a bit rich for some Australian like TV and film
people to be like, oh no, we don't want the
massive people here because I'll cause a stir. And I
was like, I've been to this event. I've also been
to as of you been to many like Australian film
and TV events like you guys get super rowdy as
well parties those after parties. There's a reason that no
photos come out from those. Well and not just the logis,
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but like all these kind of big after parties wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Even let me because I was a journalist.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, like you can't speak of what you see here.
I don't worry, I won't.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We'll talk after.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah. But what I'm just saying is obviously that's any industry.
But what I'm saying is it's not like for film
and TV people sit there politely talk about their craft
and go home like it's pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Loose and that's just for you and that's what I love. Also,
I love about the logis is that exactly it? It's
supposed to be kind of fun, but I.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Just don't want people sitting that their halos being like,
we would never fight with anyone. It's like, yes, you would,
we know. Anyway, the logis August third. I'm excited and
maybe there'll be some maths people outside like just trying
to slip into the event.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Now, Sydney Sweeney is kind of like she's like the
Golden Girl at the moment. Yes, you know, she's had
her rom coms. We know her from Euphoria. She's twenty
seven years old. She's kind of got this Margot Robbie
thing going for her, bit of a sex symbol. And
at the end of last year she made this commercial
with this company called doctor Squatch. Now have you seen
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this commercial?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay, because we made it. Should we place the audio
from this? Hello, you dirty little boys? Are you interested
in my body? Watch?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well you can't have it because this isn't from boys,
it's from men.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So it's like very much playing into like the sexuality
of you know, Sydney Sweeney in a bath with this
bar of soap. Now, apparently there was so much excitement
after this that they're now launching a limited edition Sydney
Sweeney bathwater soap and it's called Sydney's bath Water Bliss
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and it's going to be available on June sixth of
this year. Now five thousand bars only, so.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
This is really limited as a limited edition.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I wonder how many baths Sydney had to take to.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Fill to fill the demand, to fill the demand.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
He's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I have some questions about the logistics of this bathwater soap.
So when Sydney Sweeney put up the big introduction post
for it, she said, you kept asking about my bath
water after this ad first question, who was asking that?
She looks hot as hell like I But who's messaging
her and saying whatever happened to that bathwater?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
People like that?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No I know, but I am saying like, men are gross?
Oh no, I know what men on the internet ask for.
When people say like they asked for feet picks, I'm like,
that's you should be lucky that's all they asked for.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Because the escalating I have been asked for fate picks.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, but isn't that like in this day and age,
the things you could be asked for, isn't that quite?
Like sweet and lovely? Like, oh just a little foot pick,
that's fine. Things can get much.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Work, yeah, like used punters or something.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, very Look it's not always. She does have so
flippant like you've all been asking about my bath water.
It's sounded like an influencer being like you've all been
asked about my lip combo, so here it does. And
she's like, you've all been asked about my bath water,
so here it is because she's saying it's my actual bathwater.
But my thought was for a second, like is she
saying it's the bath water from the actual ad? Because
I'm like, who the hell kept that?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No, I think she's just like I don't actually think
she's taking a bath in it to.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Be I don't think she has either. Don't Sidney Swingy
a liar?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But I but I believe she's She's like, I doubt it.
It's a marketing thing, it's a par thing. It's just
I think it's tongue in cheek. It's playing on her
sex symbol vibe, and she's obviously being paid a lot
of money by this company by Doctor Squatch, which every
time I read it, I keep thinking of doctor Snatch
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh, it's if you think of a sasquatch, my favorite.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Creature, which is an interesting They double on tundra their
doctor Snatch, doctor Squatch. I don't know if we're allowed
to put that in.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's a bit. So she's basically saying that she sat
in the bath water. She's a busy lady, probably had
her laptop, she was answering emails. She's saying, they've scooped
all the bath water out and packaged it up into
this soap. Is that right?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yes? And it's you know, got some cocoa butter in there,
at the things in there, and I mean infect it,
throwing a bit of cocoa butter and fine, anything to
make a man bathe. At this point, like this is
kind of where this conversation is going, and a lot
of the comments are like, really, is this where we're at?
Like is this?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Oh my god? Let the girl sellow bathwater. It's fine.
She has to put it with creepy meat and her
dam's asking for weird stuff. She might as well make
some money off it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So that the interesting thing is so it's been limited
to five thousand bars only and purchases must be eighteen
years older to buy. Oh that's clever, which I find
kind of creepy. It feels a bit o.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
No, I know, but I think that's making it all
sound because I think we can safely go ahead and
say that these soaps do not contain any Sydney Sweeney bathway.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But you there's like a day claim we're on the bottom.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And if it does by the time you, I'm gonna
go out and alive here and say, I don't know
how you make soap, but I'm assuming there's some sort
of boiling, some sort of stirring that it has to cool.
All that sort of stuff. Any of her actual like
essence has been like boiled away in the making of
the soap, so it's just regular soap at this stage.
But putting the eighteen plus disclaimer on it just makes
it feel a bit more erotic and sexy. It's such
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good marketing. It reminds me of like the recent episode
you and I did, what we talked about the Kim
Kardashian pier snipple bra and the idea of that is
like they're not making money off the Pier Snipple Bra.
It's all just a bit of extra promo for all
the other stuff they sell, So they're hoping that people
who can't get this particular soap will just buy things
from this brand because it's adjacent to her sexy soap.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Look, I get that bag, honey. I'm sure she got
paid in absolute motter for it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, and she's leaning and she knows what she's doing.
She's leaning in. Can I just say, I freaking would
love some of that soap, just to see that's a
pr package. I'd be very excited about. You look qrrified.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I Like, I'm not really sound interested.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In, you know, want to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I'm more interesting it is Nipplebra to be honest.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh, I mean I would have loved that as well.
But I'm not on the skims pr list, nor am
I on the Doctor Snatch Doctor Scotch list. No one's
sending me anything, so that's a bit sad. But I
love to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But the interesting conversation here is there has been a
little bit of conversation about Sydney Sweeney getting upset about
her over sexualization in Hollywood, which you know she's doing this,
which is obviously very geared, very heavily towards men and
the men that idolize her and see her as this
sex symbol. So she's leaning into that, but then also
(16:08):
criticizing the fact that people don't take her so seriously
as a producer. So there's that kind of Christism, which
I understand. However, that woman is well within her rights
to do whatever the hell she wants. Like, let's look
at someone like Margot Robbie. I made this comparison before,
but you know, Margot Robbie was full frontal nude in
(16:29):
The Wolf of Wall Street and then she did, you know,
in the Big Short. She was in that bar, and
let's let Margot Robbie explain to you. Yeah, and has
then gone on using all of that to produce and
you know, star in some really wonderful movies, like including
a Tania Like she's used that to her advantage. And
(16:49):
I think that is kind of what Sidney Sweeney is
doing now, because I think producing is really her next
big goal. And she's saying that a lot of the
negativity that she receives is from women in Hollywood. And
what I think she's referencing particularly here is this producer
called Carol Baum, who made this remark about her about
(17:12):
a year ago. She teaches a producing class at USC
School of Cinematic Arts, and she added, I said to
my class, explain this girl to me. She's not pretty,
she can't act. Why is she so hot? And Carabaum
is an older producer, older woman, it kind of feels
a little bit like it's not really necessary to pull
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down Sydney. It feels like attack me, Like she doesn't
need to be attacking her. Yeah, and I think I
understand that. I feel like that's kind of where she's
getting that from, is that people don't take her seriously
because she does these things. But maybe this is a
calculated move. I'm going to be doing this so so
that I can go produce and executive produce the movies
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and projects that I want to do.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, It's an interesting thing with these like women in
Hollywood who are very conventionally attractive and beautiful but also
have this idea of like wanting to build their own
business within it, and how they it's almost like they
sort of take from both sides in a way that
they're like very welcome to do it. Of course you would,
but it is an interesting one Margot Robbie have always
found interesting because there's a few actresses like i'd say Margo,
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Robbie and Reese with this certain in particular come to
mind of women who have this very public persona as
like these beautiful, bubbly blondes who always look gorgeous on
a red carpet, but have gone into their career very
like business orientated. And I think for Margo Robbie, like
she always kind of has the last laugh in that
sense of like everyone was shitting on her for or
her chanel looks during awards seasons and things. But the
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reason that she signs those big fashion contracts is because
she knows that she's going to be photographed on a
red carpet regardless, and she's going to get those headlines,
so she doesn't need to always have those big fashion moments.
But she took all that money and started her production company,
and then I find also like the projects that she
picks are very commercially minded, so like Saltburn, people at
like Margo Robbie hood produce that and obviously not the
(19:05):
most critically acclaimed movie, but very buzzy, very audience friendly
Bar that she produced was one of those ones where
it was both critically friendly and audience friendly, but at
the end of the day, it was about bringing people
into the cinema and like getting their money and even
Sirens that we talked about last week with the really
honest review on Netflix, like Margo Robbie produced that she's
so smart. But at the same time, it's that idea
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of like you kind of get a seat at the
table almost to get in these acting roles, which then
gives you the cachet to have these big production roles
because of how you look. And I think that's the
kind of interesting thing with Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's almost like she's using her sexuality and her beauty
and youth to get that seat at the table. But
that does not mean that she is stupid or doesn't
have a long term plan.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, and I think that's into I don't know, I'm
a little fatigued with this conversation that's popped up over
the last couple of years around like this idea that
pretty women get held back, because the thing is you
not necessarily getting held back because you wouldn't have been
And this is obviously awful and I wish the world
didn't work this way. But it's like, you wouldn't be
on these TV shows if you didn't look a certain way.
(20:11):
You wouldn't be getting these big fashion contracts, in these
bathwater contracts if you didn't look a certain way. So
I'm kind of like, I feel like my attention is
going to be a little less on women who are
complaining that they have all this power and success, but
it's been a bit harder because they're beautiful, and instead
thinking about the women who didn't even get us seat
at the table because they don't look a certain way.
But again, I know that's a lot to put on
Sydney Sweeney. And again, the reason she's asked is that
(20:33):
she did this big Sunday Times profile recently where she
was asked about a huge amount of things. She confirmed
that she's single, her relationship has broken up, which I
don't know. She seems very footloose in fancy free. I
like that for her as just saying she's only twenty seven,
which is crazy and.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
He was forty one. Yeah, again one of these age
gap relationships. Again, but like you're twenty seven, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I know. The only kind of thing is I started.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Twenty When did I get married? I got married at
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I think that's okay, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I mean, I feel like that's quite young.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Maybe yeah, I guess now, well, people just live, like
I guess, different lifestyles. But I think you're okay.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I know. I mean, we've been together for like sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I think we'll give you guys a pass. But
I went to a friend's wedding the day and she's
thirty four, and she's like, I feel like I'm a
child bride. I'm like, you are. This is so I
was like, if you thought this through, this feels really rush.
But anyway, in this same interview, because she gave those
comments to Vanity Fair over a year ago, after that
whole thing about the professor, who I should say, did
apologize those cities, Yes she did.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
She did.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
She said like they were obviously awful, saying that she
wasn't attractive or talented. But so I'm not giving her
a pass. But she said them like in a closed
room when she was giving a speech at a film event,
and I don't think she thought they would go as
global as they did. So then Sidney Sweeney did her
Vanity Fair piece and was asked about that, and she
basically said, like, I know there's this big story about
women in Hollywood supporting each other and being there for
(21:54):
each other, but that has absolutely not been my experience.
And a lot of actresses came out after that and
said that maybe she just hasn't experienced the right thing,
or that's not their experience. And I remember when I
interviewed Teresa Palmer for No Filter. I asked her about
it because she's a big kind of champion female friendships
behind the scenes in Hollywood all that sort of stuff,
and she was so visibly shocked. I could barely even
(22:16):
keep asking her about it. She was like, really taken aback.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Theresa Palmava is a very special person though she gives
off the most positive, beautiful vibes, and absolutely I think
she really is a champion for women. And I do
think that environmentally, it depends on the environment. Like if
you think about the classic like media office or like
(22:41):
magazine office, where there was like it was really caddy,
whereas and here I'm going to plug MoMA Maya. Here,
everybody's so freaking nice here, like it's all women and
everybody is so lovely and supportive, And I really do
think it's about the environment and the people that you
surround yourself with. And I think maybe she's had people
who have been jealous of her and have made it
(23:04):
hard for her. But yes, obviously she's got pretty privilege
and she's gorgeous and.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't I don't know, like it's
hard because I think maybe those two threads are separate.
Where she talks about being over sexualized, I think that's
almost kind of one thing, and then when she's talking
about women in Hollywood not being supportive and when behind
the scenes that's another, because that'd sanity fair thing. It's
interesting because that was a while ago and there was
a big kind of blow up around it, and I
thought at the time it was brave of her to say,
(23:28):
because that is, like, if Hollywood's a company, like, that's
not towing the company line, because everyone in Hollywood is like,
women support each other, we do this, we do that.
And so for someone who's like very powerful but still
coming up in the ranks to say that's not the case,
I thought it was quite brave. And then also to
double down on it again because in this Sunday Times
interview that's only been released in over the last couple
of days, she said that she wants to be taken
(23:51):
really seriously, she wants to be in the room, and
she has a really difficult time with that. And this
is a direct quote from her article where she says,
to be honest, I always find that it's women who
give me the hardest time. And she said that it
happens in the boardroom, at auditions and on sets, and
she's like, I see it all the time. They don't
think I'm right for the role because Cassie, who's her
character in Euphoria, was very sexualized, and that puts a
(24:14):
wall up for people, and I'm always having to explain
to them that I'm an actor.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I mean, how many actors actresses have been typecast?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I don't think that that's unusual. I think it's sometimes
is very difficult for people to see, especially in a
role as iconic as what Cassie's role was in Euphoria,
despite the fact that these are supposed to be the
most creative minds in Hollywood. Sometimes they just can't see
past that. Yeah, So I understand that to a certain extent.
(24:46):
I really do. I actually think she's got a huge
future ahead of her. I think she's smart. I think
she's funny. I think she's had fun with this doctor
Squatch soap thing. You know, she's dropped her engagement. Like
she's got a number of really great movies coming up.
She's producing, executive producing. I think that she's got a
(25:08):
really big future.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She's so when you hear her speak, so it's obviously
I don't know her, so I don't know. So it's
either that she's very calculated or she's got a team
around her that's very calculated, and she listens to them
because I just love listening to her speak how everything
leads to something else. Like she'll say, yes, I know
Madam Webb was bad, but I made that movie so
the company would make Immaculate, which was the horror film
she wanted to produce and star in. And then like
(25:32):
someone will make a joke about her selling her Bathward
and she'll be like, yes, but it'll fund this other movie.
And then she got a lot of backlash for anyone
but you pressed to her, which was like her kind
of brainchild of her and Glen Powell pretending they're together,
obviously not being together, but her thinking on that was
like yeah, we pretend to be together. And then my
company who produced that movie made a huge amount of money,
and so she's very I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Really hated that movie. I really like her and Glenn Powell.
I think that it's not a great movie, but I
like she couldn't finish it. Oh really, I thought it
was really well.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I would love to see them in something else. I
think that movie did a little bit of a disservice
to them as act.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's not it was not good acting. Unfortunately, she can act,
she absolutely can.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Like I think she was too busy Do you think
she's just too busy producing? She forgot her character changes
like halfway through with.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The explanation, But again we're not talking about that.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But business very calculated. But she must be calculated enough
to know that she but putting this information out there
is not going to hurt her in a way or
potentially she's just because I know, like it can be
a bit of a red flag when you hear a
girl say that women are hard to work with. Women
are this? I don't like that, like all of a sudden,
like I think like we're kind of geared to like
our own red flags go up, and you're like will
(26:46):
you sound like the problem. Yeah, you sound like a
pick me gu Yeah, exactly, this idea so like, that's
my first thought when when I read these comments from
Sydney Sweening saying that women are the ones who give
her the hardest time and that this sisterhood in Hollywood
doesn't exist. But I also just think she's been in
the trenches for a while. Something must have happened, something
must have been her experience that's hit her so hard
(27:07):
that she thinks it's worth it to go out in
these interview and given unpopular opinion, it's my only thought.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Look, I've been in this industry since I was about
twenty four, modeling before that, and I can save the
times that I have had really difficult experiences. I would
say a lot of it has been older women as well. Yeah,
so I don't think it's that unusual a thing to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah. Yes, it just become unpopular to say because it
doesn't suit the girlhood women together, so still a band try.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, and then people got aholding into jealous. It's like
there's a whole bunch of things. But I don't doubt
that she's had women in her life who have not
been supportive of her. But we cannot generalize that everyone's
like that, because I know that there are some great, supportive,
wonderful women, one of whom is sitting rights today. We
(28:00):
might hu, guys, there's two big mics in the way,
but my laptop. I can't get up right now.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
That's all right. Physical affection can wait till afterwards. I
don't think she's got a huge amount backlash to this,
so I think it's fine. I just do hope that
like these waves that come after she does her interviews
don't knock this like truth telling out of hers. I've
got to say, even if I don't always agree with
what she says, I just want it so refreshing to
hear someone who I actually feel like, yeah, it's being
really honest, is not overly worried about how the industry
(28:27):
is going to perceive her, and just actually says what's happening.
That's so rare nowadays with how media trained everyone is.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes, I love I love someone who will just like
tell it like it is.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, keep doing what you're doing, Sidney Suaiting, Well, we'll
link her full interview in the Sunday Times in the
show notes so you can have a full read and
see what she has to say about women in Hollywood
and breaking up her engagement. Well, thank you so much
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