April 2, 2025 • 29 mins
The cast of the upcoming Beatles movies (yes, four movies in total) has been announced and we fear the press tour will be too much for girlies everywhere.
Plus, it’s a bad week to be Kim Kardashian. Headlines proclaiming that she is suing one of her most famous friends have been flooding our feeds, but is it all a distraction from another pre series story?
And Chappell Roan went viral this week after proclaiming that she’d never met a happy parent her age, but there’s another bombshell in that interview that we need to urgently discuss. Hear Chappell’s whole chat on Call Her Daddy on Apple or Spotify.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this fill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm then I nearly said today.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
We're joined by if it's like some big reveal, I mean,
you won't hear yesterdays.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Maybe because we've been having so many guests on the show.
You we're great, but I missed this.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh my god, is it the nicest thing you've ever
said to me? Maybe you so rarely you could get nicer.
Coming up on the show today, Chapel Roone has done
an interview on Call Her Daddy, and one piece of
it you've probably seen where she talks about never seeing
a happy parent. That bit has gone completely viral and
everyone's got a huge opinion on it. But there's some
(01:02):
other parts of the interview that we actually think are
much more interesting and much more important. I mean, not
that that wasn't interesting, but people are ignoring some big stories.
So we're going to get into that because you have
a very big theory about how this is going to
affect her I love how you set that up. Yeah, great, see.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
She does like me. Also, it's been a bit of.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
A bad and crazy week for Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
There isn't every good week for this Paul.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
She's apparently at odds with one of her most famous friends,
Kanye West, has said some diabolical things.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We're going to get into all of that.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I don't mean to be a Kimberly Kardashian apologist, but
at the same time, I feel like I need to
set the record straight on a few things. But first,
you have some things to share.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yes, I'm going to break the rules a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Okay, and you I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Usually in the first part of our show we talk
about something really newsy and in the zai guys, and
there was two things that I really want to talk about,
So I'm going to try to fit them.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh, just set a timer.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I'm not
anxious at all. So the first thing I want to
talk about is that finally, and I do mean finally
because this has been in the works for a really
long time, but we are going to receive a Beatles biopic,
and not just one. We're going to get four.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it does the four things. I've seen a lot
of mixed commentary. Some people think that it's the right
move and we definitely need four four movies, and some
people think it's overkilled and it should have all their
stories should have been intertwined in one movie.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
What's your vibe on man?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I definitely.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Think say, I don't know who the Beatles are.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But I think from this job, I do think there's
definitely grounds for three movies.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
M Wait, who's getting bumped?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm not sure what we're going to do it with
Ringo Star.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think Ringo's got some stories to tell.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Ringo Star is going to be played by Barrick Yogan. Actually,
all of our boyfriends are in these movies. We have
Paul Mescal as Paul McCartney, Harris Dickinson, who we love
and talked about in Baby Girl as John Lennon. I
think he's going to be great in that, and Joseph
Quinn from Stranger Things as George Harrison.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Can I just say I'm actually quite worried about this.
Those press tours the girls are not going to cope.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Do you think we'll get interviews.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean no, not even just asking.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But if we do get interviews, surely the entire editorial to.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You have to go.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
They'll be like breaking the doors, five of us interviewing
each one of them. But just think about when any
of these men do solo red carpets and how that
all blows up, and how people start swooning and people
literally lose their minds. Not unlike the beatles Mania, but
happened when they were like, you know, first becoming huge.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And Gladiator like, we were losing our minds and that
was just.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Paul was just walking in a scared, sweaty little man.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And I just don't think the world's gonna cope with
this press tour.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
No, that's all I'm saying. I think it's gonna be
a lot. But that's probably what they're going to go for.
I reckon they're going to make the entire press tool
like beatles Mania.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Do you think it'll be like The Avengers where they
all get a solo movie and they come together then
in one big movie at the end of fifth movie,
it'll be like The Avengers.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, what I imagine if it's like four movies about
like so each one gets their own movie. But does
that mean like the other three are like background characters
for the other three movies.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I mean, at the time of recording, guys, they haven't
released this information in full.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
They've literally just been announced. It's directed by Sam Mendez,
who's done the Bond movies. He's really well known, and
all we've seen is that he's just introduced the cast.
These four guys got up on stage. They did a
little like spoken rendition of some of the Beatles song.
They looked like very uncomfortable and very awkward.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
They're all very awkward men.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The best awkward men you've ever come across on screen,
but so awkward off screen, which is why people are
in love with them. Getting them up on stage, do
you an announcement also very avengures.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Very avengers.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'm just could have been at Carmet Con it was,
and it was that macconn oh. This is a similar
kind of vibe. I just think that I'm most interested
in the Beatles like relationships with each other. Like I'm
obviously interested in the backstories of their lives and everything,
but I think their dynamic is the most interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So it feels like.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
A bit of a waste to have all these movies
about them without really delving into that and giving that
the most screen time.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, I'm just what to do with this because I
feel like Paul McCartney would be very vocal about how
he gets portrayed. Yeah, and also do we do four
honest reviews? I just want big one, four and then
like one big one at the end that could be
the fifth movie.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Well, we're set for contents for the next four years
at least.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So the next thing I wanted to talk about is
you might have been seeing a man across your social
media feed named Morgan Wallin, And if you don't know him,
don't worry because I didn't either. But he's a really
famous country singer in the US. Like, he's very well
known in the US, and now he's making international headlines
after a stint he did on SNL. So he was
(05:42):
on SNL this week as one of the musical guests
alongside Mikey Madison from Anora, who we love, and something happened.
So now I guess I'm like, there, what SNL correspondent
here on the spill?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, because even though it's been on our screens for
a really long time and super popular. Remember the first
time you pitched SNL and You're like, is this gonna
make people like SNL? And I was like, I think
people do quite infamously.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I don't know. It was like what this year where
I just got amongst SNL?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I love this fore anyway, so I'm back here with SNL.
So the thing is with SNL. When the show is over,
the host is at the front and all the cast
members and crew are behind them. They give a big
thank you to the audience, thank you for people watching.
The musical guest is also at the front because they're
both the guests, and then the credits roll, and as
the credits are rolling, the cameras are still on and
(06:33):
the cameras are just filming. Everyone kind of like.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh, look how great all that behind the scenes are.
And those behind the scenes and moments have often gone
like viral in their own right, and people watch them
because you're seeing the crowd interacting and they know they're
on camera. But like all that tension from the show
has dropped, so you see people embracing, you see people
having jokes, you see people like doing silly things, and
it's become its own moment of the show.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So the fact that this happened is it's.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
A pretty interesting So as the class are like all
hugging each other and high fiving each other, you see
Morgan Wollen go say bye to Mikey Madison, like he
gives her a quick little hug, whispers something in the ear,
and then he just walks off. So while everyone is
like hugging and stuff, and she also like looks at
him walking off and then like straightaway diverts her attention
(07:17):
to pretend like she didn't react to that moment. But
he walks off in a way where he walks towards
the camera and then goes to the side of it. Yea,
So it was very obvious if you were a viewer
at home, even if you were in the audience there
in like watching the center stage, it was very obvious
that he didn't really do what your quote unquote supposed
to do as a guest on SNL. This is not
(07:38):
the first controversial thing he's done on SNL. So in
October twenty twenty, he was also meant to be a
musical guest on the show, and this was like in
the height of COVID. He was then spotted and photographed
out maskless partying, and it was alleged that he was
also kissing some women. Because of that, SNL uninvited him
(07:59):
good on the show, but they didn't joke. It wasn't
a joke. But then they reinvited him in December twenty
twenty and he kind of made a funny joke about that.
He's also been a bit of a controversial character, using
like race slurs a year after he's had some legal
troubles for throwing a chair for a rift bar in Nashville.
But he's also just a vibe, a really famous country singer.
(08:20):
So I think all of this compiled plus what he's
just done now has just made him just like come
into the I guess international spotlight.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's so many people who,
as he said, I know, he's a very famous country
music singer and that's a huge industry, but there would
be a couple of people watching SNL who don't know
who he is. And now the only thing I know
about him is that it looks like he slighted Mikey
Madison or he had some sort of issue when he's
gone off, and that's really overshadowed the whole situation, which
I mean, the only other headline coming out of that
(08:52):
SNL episode. And if you saw this, everyone's saying that
Mikey Madison was a.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Really dull host. Oh did you see that incident?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Weekly is like literally like a review of Mikey Madison's
very dull SNL hosting, And so she's already dealing with
that and then he ran out to stage. It's making
it look like there was some sort of al And
apparently he also did in the rehearsal. I was reading
from a few people, so maybe he just didn't want
to stay the end, but it is.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
He did like post a really weird Instagram story after
on his private jet, and his correction was like, get
me to God's Country.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Everything I care about. This man's making me hate him.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Mind a bit of a rogue, you know, music style,
Like they're supposed to have all these crazy stories and stuff.
So even though I wouldn't condone throwing a chair for
a balcony, I understand.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I have listened to some of his music.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh really, you've really researched?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh yeah yeah, because I was like, who is this man?
So I listened to some of his music and can
I say.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It say it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I feel like, if you're going to be acting like that,
you should be a bit more talented. That's my two cents.
That's my two cents.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean, that's the review we needed.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, Well, Kim Kardashian has been the headlines. I mean,
I know she's always in the headlines to an extent
by her own device, but she's been the headlines this
week for a couple of different things that and not
exactly I think the content that she would want out there.
One of them, I will say at the top, and
then we'll move on, because I don't want to keep
reporting on every crazy, awful, terrible thing that this man does.
(10:13):
But the big headline around at the moment is that
Kanye West gave an interview dressed in a Nazi costume.
At some stage, like it's just getting so like, someone
take that man away. It's just getting completely out of
control and quite dangerous. And in that he says that
he never wanted to have kids with Kim kardashi In
and goes on to say all these terrible things about
(10:34):
her in the context of like being a mother and
being a co parent with him, which would be terrible
in any sort of circumstance, but particularly because the custody
around their children in the custody case is also being
like reframed and re loooked at because all these stories
came out and then were like confirmed to be true
that Northwest, who's the oldest of their four children, was
(10:54):
over at Kanye's residence during like a scheduled visit and
he invited Andrew Tate over and when Kim kardashi got
wind of that, she had to race over with her
security and like pull North out. And now there's like
a lot of contention over who he's having to the
house and stuff, which I guess is, you know, shouldn't
really be a public matter, but it's just because they
live their lives in a public way that it's really escalated.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Was like he didn't want to have children, Kim Kardashian,
when your children are old enough to read that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, exactly, And again a lot of other terrible things
are being said in that context, but that again has
just now become like the overriding headline around this. And
to be fair, like again, I know that we don't
want to keep policing this and keep saying the same
thing over and over again, which is what Kanye is
saying every time he opens his mouth at the moment
is really dangerous. And not just to Kim Kardashian, even
(11:41):
though that would be a terrible situation for her to
be in, but to all the minority groups that he
keeps attacking, all like the violence rhetoric that he keeps spreading.
So that is around and on top of that, this week,
there's a story circulating that gained a lot of traction
and was being reported very wildly and took a couple
of days to die down, and that is the fact
that Kim Kardashian was suing Lana del Rey. Well, sweet
(12:04):
Lana Delray who just wants to be married to her
crocodile man.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yes, of course it's all together.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's true as far as I know. It's true love.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay, So she's living her best life and then she
just what gets a letter from Kim Kardashian saying I'm
suing it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So the kind of backstory here is that Kim Kardashian,
for you know, many many years, like a lot of people,
has always said that Lana Delray is her favorite singer.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Are the friends? I thought they were friends? They?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yes, they are friends to the point where Kim Kardashian
is such a fan of Lana del Ray's music that like,
her music was being played when Kanye West proposed to her.
You know that the big football field where he was
like came up on the sign will you marry me please?
They have a live orchestra playing her song, and then
Lana Delray performed. She was at Kim Kardashian and Kanye
West's wedding festivities, but she performed at the big pre
(12:51):
party they had the night before, and that also weirdly
went viral because there were all these allegations going around
that they had like pulled her out of another work
committment and paid her all this money. And then Lana
Delray came out and said, they're my friends. I would
never charge them to be performing at their wedding. I
did it as a friend. So she's also been part
of a Skim's campaign, which is obviously Kim Kardashian's brand,
(13:13):
and this story that really again, I mean, there a
lot of rumors are always out there, especially about Kim Kardashian,
but what was interesting at this one is like how
widely it's spread and how many publications were reporting it
as facts. So you've probably seen all the headlines around,
all the tiktoks, all that sort of stuff that Kim
Kardashian was suing Lana Delray for one million dollars because
(13:34):
Lana Delray posted two Valentine's Day campaigns, four skims that
did not include the words like hashtag ad or use
the paid partnership tag. So they would have been in
trouble for like, because there's all these legal standards.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I mean, you you paid stuff on your.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Own, so give and I know you have to do. Yeah,
alanad Raight, come on, and she's the whole team working
for her to do this.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I know at first when I heard it, like it
did like a bit of a wild story in terms
of like I don't know why Lana Delray would refuse
to put a paid partnership tag on her Instagram. And also, yeah,
I'm assuming she's not actually running any of her Instagram.
I don't even think she does paid ads, Like that's
not really her vibe.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
She's in m at her core.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But also Lana Delray is someone who's just I guess
it's her vibe to be a little bit out of
what's happening, and she has a team that handles the
business side, and she's the one who comes on late
to music festivals because she spent two hours getting her
hair done and didn't know that there was a schedule.
And she's also the one that didn't know you had
to submit yourself the Grammy Awards. So there's an interview
her with her being like, I thought you just got chosen.
(14:31):
Her team's like, no, no, we submit.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You, like that's how you get here. Like she's just
it's not her job to know about she's.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Living the best life in the swamp, but she should
know because like everyone knows, or someone on her team
should know that if a brand is paying you to
post certain photos to promote a product, even if you're
not outrightly promoting the product and you're just like, look
how good I look in this like Bralette, that is
still counted as a paid post and you have to
disclose that to your audience otherwise that's just misleading advertising.
(15:01):
So I understand the sewing because because it's such a
big brand and they have so much money that Instagram
could like get involved and that would be on Kim Kardashian,
So obviously She's like, well, it's not really my fault.
It's actually in Lana's fault. So she's the one who
should be paying for this.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So you know how every soft and Lana del Ray
will just jump into someone's Instagram comments and comment on
something that's happening, and then she'll kind of like just
saunte back into her like ethereal life and she lives
with the crocodiles.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, so with this, she commented on one of the
stories and said, no, this isn't happening, not as far
as either one of us know. I was like, I'm
sure one of you would know if what was happening.
She said, I don't know where this started. But if
for some reason it does have to happen because of
the guidelines, then we will handle it, but it will
never end a friendship. So you're talking about the advertising
standard guidelines. Here's where it gets a little I guess
(15:53):
people are kind of coming out with some theories around this.
There's always a theory with the Kardashians, and like with
the Kardashian machine that's at work is that when these
sort of silly stories bubble up. So it's something that
can be easily disproven, or it's a very light scandal,
or it's like a good news about who's dating her
will something like that. That those stories are planted by
(16:13):
someone in the team, and they bubble up when something
big Jenna, Yeah, when something else big is happening behind
the scenes. It's the same way where people think that
every time Kim Kardashian goes platinum blonde, it's because she's
had worked.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
On her face. I don't know if that's true. I'm
not commenting on that.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But I'm not looking at the face because we're so distracted.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
By sot by the hair, and the hair makes you
look so different.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And then you get like a Pete Davidson on your
arm and double distraction.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, exactly, and no one. So what people are thinking
is that that story was planted by someone. The Lana
del Rey story was planted by someone in Kim Kardashian's
team to blow up to just struck from all the
Kanye stuff and all the allegations that are happening there,
because apparently there's also worse stuff that's going to come
out from him. And then this story that's easily disproven,
(16:57):
but everyone latched on too, because it's like two famous
women potentially fighting.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, they forgot to tell Lana about it. He's just
commented telling us it's not true. I know, and I
went back on Kanye.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I mean in a way, I guess it kind of
worked because I've seen much more people reporting on the
Lana del Ray story than on the Kanye story, if
that's even what they did. But also Lana coming out
is actually a good kind of end to the loop,
and she's done in a comment, so it's all very
kind of like, no huge statement, not giving any more
fuel to the fire, just being like and our friendship
(17:28):
hasn't ended, so it's coming out in a good way.
I'm sure the Kharadashians do have levers they pull to
move stories around and get things covered, and I feel
like they definitely do release information as a destruction. I
don't know if it's as blatant as this, Yeah, but
also desperate times because coming in is coming out this
controversial stuff every week, so they're gonna have to keep
(17:49):
throwing stuff into the mix to cover it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Chris Jenna has tricked a lot of headlines, has checked
us over no we got this, so chapel Roan has
done an interview with Alex Cooper for her podcast Call
Her Daddy. I think this is one of the more
of the virally ones that Alex Cooper has done, just
because I say so many clips of this all over
(18:13):
TikTok all over my Instagram feed.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well chaplorone doesn't really do interviews like yeah, and so
it's really like such an interesting insight to someone who
we obviously all know her music and we love that.
But what we've mostly seen from her in the last
couple of months is her getting like angry at fans
in online video is and angry at people stalking her
and her family, or her yelling at paparazzi on her
red carpet, And so you're only seeing that side of her.
(18:37):
You don't really see this like long form interview, vulnerable side.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And I think Alex Cooper, like Chapel rone is like
her perfect clientele. I feel like Alex Cooper works so
well with a specific type of celebrity woman. Yeah, and
it's the celebrity woman who just has so much to
talk about their life more than the celebrity aspect of themselves.
And she leaned into that and she does that really well.
And the interview, like usually with these interviews for Call
(19:02):
Her Daddy, they'll be like one massive takeaway, And with
the Chapel Roone one, I feel like that's so much
in that whole interview that she would have made so
much money on that, so that people are just constantly
talking about And you're right, I think we've talked about
Chapel Roane. We started talking about her like well after
she was like in the Spotlight, but also about how
she has been quite honest with how she feels towards fame, yeah,
(19:24):
and how she feels like being famous doesn't mean that
people should just be able to approach you and stalk you,
and that fans get too carried away. And we've been
both like critical of that and like on her side
of that, and she talks about like her issues with
stalking and stuff and how now she has more security
and like, as you said, she has a more private life. Yeah,
she doesn't do these big interviews.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I'm gonna say, like.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And I'm not proud of this, but I went into
this interview with like almost like a bit of an
eye roll, like, oh no, I'm going to have to
listen to this woman complain about her how terrible her
life is for an hour, and I don't want to
think that because obviously, like I'm a human woman.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
With a soul. I love her music.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And also it's hard because she says a lot of
other stuff in interviews that is not negative, and that
is not this complaining about fans and complaining about fame
and obviously.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Not condoning the stalking.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But even when she's like, oh, I hate people like
scream out at me when I walk past them, more
people come and say hello to me, and I'm like, Okay,
I know that's hard, but like it's just hard because
it got to the stage where all you ever hearing
is like chapel Roone screamed fans, chapple Rone screamed a photographer,
chuppel Rone, hope she doesn't win a Grammy and doesn't
want to be there, And you get to the stage,
we're like, well, the just don't be there, Like, yeah,
we stick of hearing this negativity, But then I also
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understand that that's what's been filtered through. So I did
obviously like her a lot more listening to this interview,
and this is why she alwaystened to the full interview
and not the soundbites because the soundbites will never tell
the full story.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Remember when she did that big I don't want to
say complained, but you remember when she just like posted
on TikTok like it was like monologues about how she
feels about stalking, and it were completely unedited. It was
so clear that it wasn't run past like anyone in
her team, and it was just very vulnerable and honest.
But obviously when you post videos like that, especially when
you have a status like her, you will say the
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wrong thing and it will get like thrown out of proportion.
And I think after her probably going through that, the
way she talked about stalking, this interview was like more
well rounded. Yeah, and we saw a bigger picture and
she gave more insight into what actually happened to her,
which made me feel terrible for some of the stuff
I said about her. And I think the way she
explained it was she firstly didn't need to, but I
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think it worked for her that she was so vulnerable
in that aspect. The second thing that everyone's talking about is,
like you mentioned in the beginning, is her talking about
how her friends with young children are quote in health.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, and how she's never met a parent who's happy
and on that. She didn't actually say all parents are
unhappy or anything like that. She said, I have personally
never met one, like that's just her own experience. Yeah,
And so I think for everyone who's saying, like, oh,
she said motherhood's awful, like she didn't actually say that.
In saying that, I understand this visceral response you have
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when you feel like someone is challenging your life and
your choices. Because if she had said I'd never met
a single person who's happy, they're all really unhappy. I
would have been really upset about that, and I would
have been like, you know, you're really just lumping everyone
and how you don't understand people's experience and stuff. So
I understand when it's like your life choice that's being
put under a microscope. I've seen all the all of them,
(22:23):
because that would be the end of TikTok. But I've
seen like the hundreds of videos that parents have put
up in response to what chapel Rone said, and I
understand it. But I do think it's just her personal experience.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But I think it also does make sense what she's
saying because personally. Also, there's not a lot of people
in my life, like I'm sure, like I know a
lot of parents, but the first emotion I like learned
from them was not happiness for being a parent. And
I think that comes from being the person with our
children in your friendship group. And it's like such a
(22:54):
beautiful position to be in because then your friends who
are moms and dads come to you with like issues
and complaints, and you're that like outlet for them to
like let go. Yeah, And we have talked about in
the office because we do have a lot of coworkers
who are parents and who have actually said, I really
need to stop complaining about being a parent because I
feel like that's all I do. But it's nice to
be that outlet. But at the same time, if that's
(23:16):
all you're seeing, that's probably like ends up being the
truth you find in parenting. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And then also it's hard because then there's people go
the other way, and I find that worse and more confronting,
like the real smug parents who were just like, oh,
I just I never knew happiness until now. I'd never
cared about another person until now, I'm like, wait a second,
you have that baby at thirty five, you never cared
about another person till now.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
You should look into that.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And I thought I was your best friend. I guess
not maybe for my emergency contact, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So, I mean it's a very fraught thing because it's
like with anything in life, you want to walk that
line between being like grateful and talking about the good
stuff but also sharing the bad stuff. So I just
think tuble Rone, she just said it. Honestly, she didn't
know what was going to blow up in such a way.
But it's been an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It has, And there was this one part of the
conversation that I absolutely latched on and I feel like
no one else has. And it's when Alex Cooper asked
her about relationship and this is what she said. We
are you single? No, you're fucking lying. No, you're lying.
You're fucking lying to me right now, chapel.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
How long?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Six months?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Is it casual? No? Serious, it's serious. It's serious because
I'm very in love. But I am pro single.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Everyone should be single. I'm serious. Okay, come on, what's
the question?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
How'd you meet their friend?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
But it wasn't a setup? Okay, just like, yeah, I
was just like.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
At A who made the first move Me.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'm usually the one to make I like, in every circumstance,
I make the first move.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Sometimes she sounds like such a sullen teenage and I
say that with love in my heart for this woman,
who is just a beautiful, little creative soul.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Sorry, Chapel Roon Has. I know she said it, but
I want to say has allegedly been in a relationship
for six month. And I'll probably get hate for this comment,
but I feel betrayed.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Okay, it's because you thought that she was singing about
heartbreaking loss and not finding love, and now you find
out she's not on your team.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
She's on the other team.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It's so embarrassing for me. But I actually feel quite
sad about that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
This is why people in the industry high that they're
in relationships for this very reason. I'm not saying you're wrong,
but this idea is like, if you're the romantically in
a movie, then you hired your partner because you're meant
to look available even if you're not available. This is
why everyone thinks, and I think I'm on the side
of believing this is true.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That Amelia de Moldenburg.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
From Chicken Chocks in a relationship has.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So many people that I know who sort of like, uh,
you know, friends of friends, once removed, worked on a
junker with her, you know that sort of stuff. Is like,
you know, she's been in a relationship for years, but
her whole thing is I'm trying to find love and
so if we ever, if well, I can't.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Take on that stress on top of this. So I'm
going to stop it at a million. But I think
it's because chapel Rode like and I also want to
say this about like Lizzo, right, Like chapel Ren and
Lizzo were like my go to with every breakup I've
ever gone. Yeah, like hers chapelone songs like casual, good Luck, Babe,
hod to Go, Lizzo like Adele's.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Like maybe sometimes too intense with her heartbreak. You're like,
I don't want to sleep of a cliff.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
What's the wrong?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Down from that? What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Down from that? It's like these musicians, and I didn't
realize until I listened to this interview that there are
certain musicians in my life that I pretty much rely
on their relationship status to stay the same so I
can just move on with my life. Like you said, Adele,
I am reliant on her to go through divorces for
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the rest of her life because that's and I've even seen.
I remember when Adele announced her divorce. There were tweets
with people going, oh, the next album is gonna slack,
break out songs, gonna be so good. Tortured Poet's Apartment
for Taylor Swift. We were all like excited for that
because we're like, oh, my gosh, it's gonna be about Joe.
Can't wait. And then we were even given another gift
when it was about Maddie Haley, which is a situation
(27:07):
and so.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Many people have attached themselves to the Taylor and Travis
Narry because they're so sure they're going to break up
because they've been so public, it's been so intense.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I'm hoping they break up that before. Yeah, And
it's so sad because I feel like with celebrities, even
with writers and stuff, when you are so vulnerable with
your personal life, you realize that as your life moves,
I can't still be your stick. Remember when my whole
stick was like being in my twenties.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I'm twenty nine this year.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
What am I going to do next year?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is what I mean, not that you're doing this,
So don't get upset. But this is what I always
say to people when they try and make their brand young,
and I'm always like, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But they did.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Laura told me too late.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I told you this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's the one thing you don't earn and it's the
only thing you can't keep. So it's a bad strategy.
You're fine, You're still so young, OK, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But it was just like this whole revelation to me
is like it made me scared because now she's in
a relationship for six months, So will I be able
to relate to this next album? Like what's going to
go on? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I mean, maybe I've just stop listening to her music.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
That's It's just one of those situations where it feels
like you have a favorite artist and then when they
get into a relationship or they go through a breakup,
it feels like you're also going through that with them
by proxy. And I think the reason why she held
off on talking about this for so long, which probably
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isn't just the only reason, because she has been quite
vulnerable about experiencing like queer relationships for the first time,
and like how she really found herself in that, and
she seems like she's in like such a healthy relationship now.
But it feels like when an artist knows that they're
tied to that they really do have to keep all
of that a secret. Yeah, and it's so not fair.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, I mean, where do we go from here? He
do you cancel Chapel Room. I'm just like interested to
see joke obviously, I feel like kind of even joke
about that because her fans are so.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I'm interested to see what her next album would be
and if the album will come after not that I'm
hoping for a breakup, but if the album will come
after a breakup or if we get like a relationship
the album. Oh if she just keeps writing about being
single even though she's not like Amelia Demoloberg.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, I mean I would be into that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'll be into that too.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
The whole interview is so so good. We'll put a
link in our show notes. Also, let us know your thoughts,
because I feel like we have a lot of listeners
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So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this fill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm then I nearly said today.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
We're joined by if it's like some big reveal, I mean,
you won't hear yesterdays.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Maybe because we've been having so many guests on the show.
You we're great, but I missed this.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh my god, is it the nicest thing you've ever
said to me? Maybe you so rarely you could get nicer.
Coming up on the show today, Chapel Roone has done
an interview on Call Her Daddy, and one piece of
it you've probably seen where she talks about never seeing
a happy parent. That bit has gone completely viral and
everyone's got a huge opinion on it. But there's some
(01:02):
other parts of the interview that we actually think are
much more interesting and much more important. I mean, not
that that wasn't interesting, but people are ignoring some big stories.
So we're going to get into that because you have
a very big theory about how this is going to
affect her I love how you set that up. Yeah, great, see.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
She does like me. Also, it's been a bit of.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
A bad and crazy week for Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
There isn't every good week for this Paul.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
She's apparently at odds with one of her most famous friends,
Kanye West, has said some diabolical things.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We're going to get into all of that.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I don't mean to be a Kimberly Kardashian apologist, but
at the same time, I feel like I need to
set the record straight on a few things. But first,
you have some things to share.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yes, I'm going to break the rules a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Okay, and you I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Usually in the first part of our show we talk
about something really newsy and in the zai guys, and
there was two things that I really want to talk about,
So I'm going to try to fit them.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh, just set a timer.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I'm not
anxious at all. So the first thing I want to
talk about is that finally, and I do mean finally
because this has been in the works for a really
long time, but we are going to receive a Beatles biopic,
and not just one. We're going to get four.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it does the four things. I've seen a lot
of mixed commentary. Some people think that it's the right
move and we definitely need four four movies, and some
people think it's overkilled and it should have all their
stories should have been intertwined in one movie.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
What's your vibe on man?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I definitely.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Think say, I don't know who the Beatles are.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But I think from this job, I do think there's
definitely grounds for three movies.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
M Wait, who's getting bumped?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm not sure what we're going to do it with
Ringo Star.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think Ringo's got some stories to tell.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Ringo Star is going to be played by Barrick Yogan. Actually,
all of our boyfriends are in these movies. We have
Paul Mescal as Paul McCartney, Harris Dickinson, who we love
and talked about in Baby Girl as John Lennon. I
think he's going to be great in that, and Joseph
Quinn from Stranger Things as George Harrison.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Can I just say I'm actually quite worried about this.
Those press tours the girls are not going to cope.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Do you think we'll get interviews.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean no, not even just asking.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But if we do get interviews, surely the entire editorial to.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You have to go.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
They'll be like breaking the doors, five of us interviewing
each one of them. But just think about when any
of these men do solo red carpets and how that
all blows up, and how people start swooning and people
literally lose their minds. Not unlike the beatles Mania, but
happened when they were like, you know, first becoming huge.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And Gladiator like, we were losing our minds and that
was just.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Paul was just walking in a scared, sweaty little man.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And I just don't think the world's gonna cope with
this press tour.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
No, that's all I'm saying. I think it's gonna be
a lot. But that's probably what they're going to go for.
I reckon they're going to make the entire press tool
like beatles Mania.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Do you think it'll be like The Avengers where they
all get a solo movie and they come together then
in one big movie at the end of fifth movie,
it'll be like The Avengers.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, what I imagine if it's like four movies about
like so each one gets their own movie. But does
that mean like the other three are like background characters
for the other three movies.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I mean, at the time of recording, guys, they haven't
released this information in full.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
They've literally just been announced. It's directed by Sam Mendez,
who's done the Bond movies. He's really well known, and
all we've seen is that he's just introduced the cast.
These four guys got up on stage. They did a
little like spoken rendition of some of the Beatles song.
They looked like very uncomfortable and very awkward.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
They're all very awkward men.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The best awkward men you've ever come across on screen,
but so awkward off screen, which is why people are
in love with them. Getting them up on stage, do
you an announcement also very avengures.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Very avengers.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'm just could have been at Carmet Con it was,
and it was that macconn oh. This is a similar
kind of vibe. I just think that I'm most interested
in the Beatles like relationships with each other. Like I'm
obviously interested in the backstories of their lives and everything,
but I think their dynamic is the most interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So it feels like.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
A bit of a waste to have all these movies
about them without really delving into that and giving that
the most screen time.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, I'm just what to do with this because I
feel like Paul McCartney would be very vocal about how
he gets portrayed. Yeah, and also do we do four
honest reviews? I just want big one, four and then
like one big one at the end that could be
the fifth movie.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Well, we're set for contents for the next four years
at least.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So the next thing I wanted to talk about is
you might have been seeing a man across your social
media feed named Morgan Wallin, And if you don't know him,
don't worry because I didn't either. But he's a really
famous country singer in the US. Like, he's very well
known in the US, and now he's making international headlines
after a stint he did on SNL. So he was
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on SNL this week as one of the musical guests
alongside Mikey Madison from Anora, who we love, and something happened.
So now I guess I'm like, there, what SNL correspondent
here on the spill?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, because even though it's been on our screens for
a really long time and super popular. Remember the first
time you pitched SNL and You're like, is this gonna
make people like SNL? And I was like, I think
people do quite infamously.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I don't know. It was like what this year where
I just got amongst SNL?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I love this fore anyway, so I'm back here with SNL.
So the thing is with SNL. When the show is over,
the host is at the front and all the cast
members and crew are behind them. They give a big
thank you to the audience, thank you for people watching.
The musical guest is also at the front because they're
both the guests, and then the credits roll, and as
the credits are rolling, the cameras are still on and
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the cameras are just filming. Everyone kind of like.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh, look how great all that behind the scenes are.
And those behind the scenes and moments have often gone
like viral in their own right, and people watch them
because you're seeing the crowd interacting and they know they're
on camera. But like all that tension from the show
has dropped, so you see people embracing, you see people
having jokes, you see people like doing silly things, and
it's become its own moment of the show.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So the fact that this happened is it's.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
A pretty interesting So as the class are like all
hugging each other and high fiving each other, you see
Morgan Wollen go say bye to Mikey Madison, like he
gives her a quick little hug, whispers something in the ear,
and then he just walks off. So while everyone is
like hugging and stuff, and she also like looks at
him walking off and then like straightaway diverts her attention
(07:17):
to pretend like she didn't react to that moment. But
he walks off in a way where he walks towards
the camera and then goes to the side of it. Yea,
So it was very obvious if you were a viewer
at home, even if you were in the audience there
in like watching the center stage, it was very obvious
that he didn't really do what your quote unquote supposed
to do as a guest on SNL. This is not
(07:38):
the first controversial thing he's done on SNL. So in
October twenty twenty, he was also meant to be a
musical guest on the show, and this was like in
the height of COVID. He was then spotted and photographed
out maskless partying, and it was alleged that he was
also kissing some women. Because of that, SNL uninvited him
(07:59):
good on the show, but they didn't joke. It wasn't
a joke. But then they reinvited him in December twenty
twenty and he kind of made a funny joke about that.
He's also been a bit of a controversial character, using
like race slurs a year after he's had some legal
troubles for throwing a chair for a rift bar in Nashville.
But he's also just a vibe, a really famous country singer.
(08:20):
So I think all of this compiled plus what he's
just done now has just made him just like come
into the I guess international spotlight.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's so many people who,
as he said, I know, he's a very famous country
music singer and that's a huge industry, but there would
be a couple of people watching SNL who don't know
who he is. And now the only thing I know
about him is that it looks like he slighted Mikey
Madison or he had some sort of issue when he's
gone off, and that's really overshadowed the whole situation, which
I mean, the only other headline coming out of that
(08:52):
SNL episode. And if you saw this, everyone's saying that
Mikey Madison was a.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Really dull host. Oh did you see that incident?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Weekly is like literally like a review of Mikey Madison's
very dull SNL hosting, And so she's already dealing with
that and then he ran out to stage. It's making
it look like there was some sort of al And
apparently he also did in the rehearsal. I was reading
from a few people, so maybe he just didn't want
to stay the end, but it is.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
He did like post a really weird Instagram story after
on his private jet, and his correction was like, get
me to God's Country.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Everything I care about. This man's making me hate him.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Mind a bit of a rogue, you know, music style,
Like they're supposed to have all these crazy stories and stuff.
So even though I wouldn't condone throwing a chair for
a balcony, I understand.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I have listened to some of his music.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh really, you've really researched?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh yeah yeah, because I was like, who is this man?
So I listened to some of his music and can
I say.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It say it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I feel like, if you're going to be acting like that,
you should be a bit more talented. That's my two cents.
That's my two cents.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean, that's the review we needed.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, Well, Kim Kardashian has been the headlines. I mean,
I know she's always in the headlines to an extent
by her own device, but she's been the headlines this
week for a couple of different things that and not
exactly I think the content that she would want out there.
One of them, I will say at the top, and
then we'll move on, because I don't want to keep
reporting on every crazy, awful, terrible thing that this man does.
(10:13):
But the big headline around at the moment is that
Kanye West gave an interview dressed in a Nazi costume.
At some stage, like it's just getting so like, someone
take that man away. It's just getting completely out of
control and quite dangerous. And in that he says that
he never wanted to have kids with Kim kardashi In
and goes on to say all these terrible things about
(10:34):
her in the context of like being a mother and
being a co parent with him, which would be terrible
in any sort of circumstance, but particularly because the custody
around their children in the custody case is also being
like reframed and re loooked at because all these stories
came out and then were like confirmed to be true
that Northwest, who's the oldest of their four children, was
(10:54):
over at Kanye's residence during like a scheduled visit and
he invited Andrew Tate over and when Kim kardashi got
wind of that, she had to race over with her
security and like pull North out. And now there's like
a lot of contention over who he's having to the
house and stuff, which I guess is, you know, shouldn't
really be a public matter, but it's just because they
live their lives in a public way that it's really escalated.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Was like he didn't want to have children, Kim Kardashian,
when your children are old enough to read that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, exactly, And again a lot of other terrible things
are being said in that context, but that again has
just now become like the overriding headline around this. And
to be fair, like again, I know that we don't
want to keep policing this and keep saying the same
thing over and over again, which is what Kanye is
saying every time he opens his mouth at the moment
is really dangerous. And not just to Kim Kardashian, even
(11:41):
though that would be a terrible situation for her to
be in, but to all the minority groups that he
keeps attacking, all like the violence rhetoric that he keeps spreading.
So that is around and on top of that, this week,
there's a story circulating that gained a lot of traction
and was being reported very wildly and took a couple
of days to die down, and that is the fact
that Kim Kardashian was suing Lana del Rey. Well, sweet
(12:04):
Lana Delray who just wants to be married to her
crocodile man.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yes, of course it's all together.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's true as far as I know. It's true love.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay, So she's living her best life and then she
just what gets a letter from Kim Kardashian saying I'm
suing it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So the kind of backstory here is that Kim Kardashian,
for you know, many many years, like a lot of people,
has always said that Lana Delray is her favorite singer.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Are the friends? I thought they were friends? They?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yes, they are friends to the point where Kim Kardashian
is such a fan of Lana del Ray's music that like,
her music was being played when Kanye West proposed to her.
You know that the big football field where he was
like came up on the sign will you marry me please?
They have a live orchestra playing her song, and then
Lana Delray performed. She was at Kim Kardashian and Kanye
West's wedding festivities, but she performed at the big pre
(12:51):
party they had the night before, and that also weirdly
went viral because there were all these allegations going around
that they had like pulled her out of another work
committment and paid her all this money. And then Lana
Delray came out and said, they're my friends. I would
never charge them to be performing at their wedding. I
did it as a friend. So she's also been part
of a Skim's campaign, which is obviously Kim Kardashian's brand,
(13:13):
and this story that really again, I mean, there a
lot of rumors are always out there, especially about Kim Kardashian,
but what was interesting at this one is like how
widely it's spread and how many publications were reporting it
as facts. So you've probably seen all the headlines around,
all the tiktoks, all that sort of stuff that Kim
Kardashian was suing Lana Delray for one million dollars because
(13:34):
Lana Delray posted two Valentine's Day campaigns, four skims that
did not include the words like hashtag ad or use
the paid partnership tag. So they would have been in
trouble for like, because there's all these legal standards.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I mean, you you paid stuff on your.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Own, so give and I know you have to do. Yeah,
alanad Raight, come on, and she's the whole team working
for her to do this.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I know at first when I heard it, like it
did like a bit of a wild story in terms
of like I don't know why Lana Delray would refuse
to put a paid partnership tag on her Instagram. And also, yeah,
I'm assuming she's not actually running any of her Instagram.
I don't even think she does paid ads, Like that's
not really her vibe.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
She's in m at her core.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But also Lana Delray is someone who's just I guess
it's her vibe to be a little bit out of
what's happening, and she has a team that handles the
business side, and she's the one who comes on late
to music festivals because she spent two hours getting her
hair done and didn't know that there was a schedule.
And she's also the one that didn't know you had
to submit yourself the Grammy Awards. So there's an interview
her with her being like, I thought you just got chosen.
(14:31):
Her team's like, no, no, we submit.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You, like that's how you get here. Like she's just
it's not her job to know about she's.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Living the best life in the swamp, but she should
know because like everyone knows, or someone on her team
should know that if a brand is paying you to
post certain photos to promote a product, even if you're
not outrightly promoting the product and you're just like, look
how good I look in this like Bralette, that is
still counted as a paid post and you have to
disclose that to your audience otherwise that's just misleading advertising.
(15:01):
So I understand the sewing because because it's such a
big brand and they have so much money that Instagram
could like get involved and that would be on Kim Kardashian,
So obviously She's like, well, it's not really my fault.
It's actually in Lana's fault. So she's the one who
should be paying for this.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So you know how every soft and Lana del Ray
will just jump into someone's Instagram comments and comment on
something that's happening, and then she'll kind of like just
saunte back into her like ethereal life and she lives
with the crocodiles.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, so with this, she commented on one of the
stories and said, no, this isn't happening, not as far
as either one of us know. I was like, I'm
sure one of you would know if what was happening.
She said, I don't know where this started. But if
for some reason it does have to happen because of
the guidelines, then we will handle it, but it will
never end a friendship. So you're talking about the advertising
standard guidelines. Here's where it gets a little I guess
(15:53):
people are kind of coming out with some theories around this.
There's always a theory with the Kardashians, and like with
the Kardashian machine that's at work is that when these
sort of silly stories bubble up. So it's something that
can be easily disproven, or it's a very light scandal,
or it's like a good news about who's dating her
will something like that. That those stories are planted by
(16:13):
someone in the team, and they bubble up when something
big Jenna, Yeah, when something else big is happening behind
the scenes. It's the same way where people think that
every time Kim Kardashian goes platinum blonde, it's because she's
had worked.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
On her face. I don't know if that's true. I'm
not commenting on that.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But I'm not looking at the face because we're so distracted.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
By sot by the hair, and the hair makes you
look so different.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And then you get like a Pete Davidson on your
arm and double distraction.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, exactly, and no one. So what people are thinking
is that that story was planted by someone. The Lana
del Rey story was planted by someone in Kim Kardashian's
team to blow up to just struck from all the
Kanye stuff and all the allegations that are happening there,
because apparently there's also worse stuff that's going to come
out from him. And then this story that's easily disproven,
(16:57):
but everyone latched on too, because it's like two famous
women potentially fighting.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, they forgot to tell Lana about it. He's just
commented telling us it's not true. I know, and I
went back on Kanye.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I mean in a way, I guess it kind of
worked because I've seen much more people reporting on the
Lana del Ray story than on the Kanye story, if
that's even what they did. But also Lana coming out
is actually a good kind of end to the loop,
and she's done in a comment, so it's all very
kind of like, no huge statement, not giving any more
fuel to the fire, just being like and our friendship
(17:28):
hasn't ended, so it's coming out in a good way.
I'm sure the Kharadashians do have levers they pull to
move stories around and get things covered, and I feel
like they definitely do release information as a destruction. I
don't know if it's as blatant as this, Yeah, but
also desperate times because coming in is coming out this
controversial stuff every week, so they're gonna have to keep
(17:49):
throwing stuff into the mix to cover it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Chris Jenna has tricked a lot of headlines, has checked
us over no we got this, so chapel Roan has
done an interview with Alex Cooper for her podcast Call
Her Daddy. I think this is one of the more
of the virally ones that Alex Cooper has done, just
because I say so many clips of this all over
(18:13):
TikTok all over my Instagram feed.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well chaplorone doesn't really do interviews like yeah, and so
it's really like such an interesting insight to someone who
we obviously all know her music and we love that.
But what we've mostly seen from her in the last
couple of months is her getting like angry at fans
in online video is and angry at people stalking her
and her family, or her yelling at paparazzi on her
red carpet, And so you're only seeing that side of her.
(18:37):
You don't really see this like long form interview, vulnerable side.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And I think Alex Cooper, like Chapel rone is like
her perfect clientele. I feel like Alex Cooper works so
well with a specific type of celebrity woman. Yeah, and
it's the celebrity woman who just has so much to
talk about their life more than the celebrity aspect of themselves.
And she leaned into that and she does that really well.
And the interview, like usually with these interviews for Call
(19:02):
Her Daddy, they'll be like one massive takeaway, And with
the Chapel Roone one, I feel like that's so much
in that whole interview that she would have made so
much money on that, so that people are just constantly
talking about And you're right, I think we've talked about
Chapel Roane. We started talking about her like well after
she was like in the Spotlight, but also about how
she has been quite honest with how she feels towards fame, yeah,
(19:24):
and how she feels like being famous doesn't mean that
people should just be able to approach you and stalk you,
and that fans get too carried away. And we've been
both like critical of that and like on her side
of that, and she talks about like her issues with
stalking and stuff and how now she has more security
and like, as you said, she has a more private life. Yeah,
she doesn't do these big interviews.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I'm gonna say, like.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And I'm not proud of this, but I went into
this interview with like almost like a bit of an
eye roll, like, oh no, I'm going to have to
listen to this woman complain about her how terrible her
life is for an hour, and I don't want to
think that because obviously, like I'm a human woman.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
With a soul. I love her music.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And also it's hard because she says a lot of
other stuff in interviews that is not negative, and that
is not this complaining about fans and complaining about fame
and obviously.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Not condoning the stalking.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But even when she's like, oh, I hate people like
scream out at me when I walk past them, more
people come and say hello to me, and I'm like, Okay,
I know that's hard, but like it's just hard because
it got to the stage where all you ever hearing
is like chapel Roone screamed fans, chapple Rone screamed a photographer,
chuppel Rone, hope she doesn't win a Grammy and doesn't
want to be there, And you get to the stage,
we're like, well, the just don't be there, Like, yeah,
we stick of hearing this negativity, But then I also
(20:30):
understand that that's what's been filtered through. So I did
obviously like her a lot more listening to this interview,
and this is why she alwaystened to the full interview
and not the soundbites because the soundbites will never tell
the full story.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Remember when she did that big I don't want to
say complained, but you remember when she just like posted
on TikTok like it was like monologues about how she
feels about stalking, and it were completely unedited. It was
so clear that it wasn't run past like anyone in
her team, and it was just very vulnerable and honest.
But obviously when you post videos like that, especially when
you have a status like her, you will say the
(21:03):
wrong thing and it will get like thrown out of proportion.
And I think after her probably going through that, the
way she talked about stalking, this interview was like more
well rounded. Yeah, and we saw a bigger picture and
she gave more insight into what actually happened to her,
which made me feel terrible for some of the stuff
I said about her. And I think the way she
explained it was she firstly didn't need to, but I
(21:26):
think it worked for her that she was so vulnerable
in that aspect. The second thing that everyone's talking about is,
like you mentioned in the beginning, is her talking about
how her friends with young children are quote in health.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, and how she's never met a parent who's happy
and on that. She didn't actually say all parents are
unhappy or anything like that. She said, I have personally
never met one, like that's just her own experience. Yeah,
And so I think for everyone who's saying, like, oh,
she said motherhood's awful, like she didn't actually say that.
In saying that, I understand this visceral response you have
(22:00):
when you feel like someone is challenging your life and
your choices. Because if she had said I'd never met
a single person who's happy, they're all really unhappy. I
would have been really upset about that, and I would
have been like, you know, you're really just lumping everyone
and how you don't understand people's experience and stuff. So
I understand when it's like your life choice that's being
put under a microscope. I've seen all the all of them,
(22:23):
because that would be the end of TikTok. But I've
seen like the hundreds of videos that parents have put
up in response to what chapel Rone said, and I
understand it. But I do think it's just her personal experience.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But I think it also does make sense what she's
saying because personally. Also, there's not a lot of people
in my life, like I'm sure, like I know a
lot of parents, but the first emotion I like learned
from them was not happiness for being a parent. And
I think that comes from being the person with our
children in your friendship group. And it's like such a
(22:54):
beautiful position to be in because then your friends who
are moms and dads come to you with like issues
and complaints, and you're that like outlet for them to
like let go. Yeah, And we have talked about in
the office because we do have a lot of coworkers
who are parents and who have actually said, I really
need to stop complaining about being a parent because I
feel like that's all I do. But it's nice to
be that outlet. But at the same time, if that's
(23:16):
all you're seeing, that's probably like ends up being the
truth you find in parenting. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And then also it's hard because then there's people go
the other way, and I find that worse and more confronting,
like the real smug parents who were just like, oh,
I just I never knew happiness until now. I'd never
cared about another person until now, I'm like, wait a second,
you have that baby at thirty five, you never cared
about another person till now.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
You should look into that.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And I thought I was your best friend. I guess
not maybe for my emergency contact, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So, I mean it's a very fraught thing because it's
like with anything in life, you want to walk that
line between being like grateful and talking about the good
stuff but also sharing the bad stuff. So I just
think tuble Rone, she just said it. Honestly, she didn't
know what was going to blow up in such a way.
But it's been an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It has, And there was this one part of the
conversation that I absolutely latched on and I feel like
no one else has. And it's when Alex Cooper asked
her about relationship and this is what she said. We
are you single? No, you're fucking lying. No, you're lying.
You're fucking lying to me right now, chapel.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
How long?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Six months?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Is it casual? No? Serious, it's serious. It's serious because
I'm very in love. But I am pro single.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Everyone should be single. I'm serious. Okay, come on, what's
the question?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
How'd you meet their friend?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
But it wasn't a setup? Okay, just like, yeah, I
was just like.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
At A who made the first move Me.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'm usually the one to make I like, in every circumstance,
I make the first move.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Sometimes she sounds like such a sullen teenage and I
say that with love in my heart for this woman,
who is just a beautiful, little creative soul.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Sorry, Chapel Roon Has. I know she said it, but
I want to say has allegedly been in a relationship
for six month. And I'll probably get hate for this comment,
but I feel betrayed.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Okay, it's because you thought that she was singing about
heartbreaking loss and not finding love, and now you find
out she's not on your team.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
She's on the other team.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It's so embarrassing for me. But I actually feel quite
sad about that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
This is why people in the industry high that they're
in relationships for this very reason. I'm not saying you're wrong,
but this idea is like, if you're the romantically in
a movie, then you hired your partner because you're meant
to look available even if you're not available. This is
why everyone thinks, and I think I'm on the side
of believing this is true.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That Amelia de Moldenburg.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
From Chicken Chocks in a relationship has.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So many people that I know who sort of like, uh,
you know, friends of friends, once removed, worked on a
junker with her, you know that sort of stuff. Is like,
you know, she's been in a relationship for years, but
her whole thing is I'm trying to find love and
so if we ever, if well, I can't.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Take on that stress on top of this. So I'm
going to stop it at a million. But I think
it's because chapel Rode like and I also want to
say this about like Lizzo, right, Like chapel Ren and
Lizzo were like my go to with every breakup I've
ever gone. Yeah, like hers chapelone songs like casual, good Luck, Babe,
hod to Go, Lizzo like Adele's.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Like maybe sometimes too intense with her heartbreak. You're like,
I don't want to sleep of a cliff.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
What's the wrong?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Down from that? What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Down from that? It's like these musicians, and I didn't
realize until I listened to this interview that there are
certain musicians in my life that I pretty much rely
on their relationship status to stay the same so I
can just move on with my life. Like you said, Adele,
I am reliant on her to go through divorces for
(26:46):
the rest of her life because that's and I've even seen.
I remember when Adele announced her divorce. There were tweets
with people going, oh, the next album is gonna slack,
break out songs, gonna be so good. Tortured Poet's Apartment
for Taylor Swift. We were all like excited for that
because we're like, oh, my gosh, it's gonna be about Joe.
Can't wait. And then we were even given another gift
when it was about Maddie Haley, which is a situation
(27:07):
and so.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Many people have attached themselves to the Taylor and Travis
Narry because they're so sure they're going to break up
because they've been so public, it's been so intense.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I'm hoping they break up that before. Yeah, And
it's so sad because I feel like with celebrities, even
with writers and stuff, when you are so vulnerable with
your personal life, you realize that as your life moves,
I can't still be your stick. Remember when my whole
stick was like being in my twenties.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I'm twenty nine this year.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
What am I going to do next year?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is what I mean, not that you're doing this,
So don't get upset. But this is what I always
say to people when they try and make their brand young,
and I'm always like, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But they did.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Laura told me too late.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I told you this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's the one thing you don't earn and it's the
only thing you can't keep. So it's a bad strategy.
You're fine, You're still so young, OK, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But it was just like this whole revelation to me
is like it made me scared because now she's in
a relationship for six months, So will I be able
to relate to this next album? Like what's going to
go on? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I mean, maybe I've just stop listening to her music.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
That's It's just one of those situations where it feels
like you have a favorite artist and then when they
get into a relationship or they go through a breakup,
it feels like you're also going through that with them
by proxy. And I think the reason why she held
off on talking about this for so long, which probably
(28:28):
isn't just the only reason, because she has been quite
vulnerable about experiencing like queer relationships for the first time,
and like how she really found herself in that, and
she seems like she's in like such a healthy relationship now.
But it feels like when an artist knows that they're
tied to that they really do have to keep all
of that a secret. Yeah, and it's so not fair.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, I mean, where do we go from here? He
do you cancel Chapel Room. I'm just like interested to
see joke obviously, I feel like kind of even joke
about that because her fans are so.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I'm interested to see what her next album would be
and if the album will come after not that I'm
hoping for a breakup, but if the album will come
after a breakup or if we get like a relationship
the album. Oh if she just keeps writing about being
single even though she's not like Amelia Demoloberg.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, I mean I would be into that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'll be into that too.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
The whole interview is so so good. We'll put a
link in our show notes. Also, let us know your thoughts,
because I feel like we have a lot of listeners
who love Chapel Roane, especially when we've done episodes in
her own past. You can always dm us on our
Instagram at The Spill Podcast, we will reply to you
and we'll also read out some of your comments on
the episode. Also, don't forget to leave us a rating
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The Spill is produced by Ned Green with sound production
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