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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Causeen lu Kitch and on the show today,
Dear Hailey Baber has gifted us with so much content.
(00:37):
She is on the cover of the new Vogue magazine.
She's a Vogue cover girl, She's released a series of
videos to go with it, and Justin Bieber has weighed
in with a very unfortunate backstory about the whole thing.
So we're going to get into that, but first I
have some breaking news.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Tell me about this breaking news better be really really good.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Solve a problem that you've had in your life for
a long time but you haven't like felt comfortable to express. Okay,
have you ever been desperate to have a nipple piercing? Really? Yes? Seriously,
one of the target audience for this actually.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Have always thought about it, but then I was like,
I don't want it to show through. But I know
what you're about to say.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, so that's your issue. You don't want to show through.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm at the pain.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I cannot think of anything more painful.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I don't know why I can't. I don't have any tattoos,
I have to ear piercings. Like I'm very vanilla, but
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
On me too. I had to go to a premier
party the other night where they were giving out like
free piercings and tattoos. Everyone's like, this is your moment.
I was like, no, I wear one earring in each R.
No tattoos. I'm so boring now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm very vanilla, but for some reason, in the back
of my head, I'm like, maybe I want a nipple piercing.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, Kim Kardashian has heard your prayers from all the
other vanilla girls like you and me around the world
because Hot off the heels of her nipple bra she
released in October of last year. Remember how that just
became a huge thing. She's already got so many different
bras in her skims line, and that's worth over a
billion dollars. Everyone loves the bras like separate to Kim Kardashian,
like it's a really successful business. She released this nipple
(02:05):
bra where it has the nipple sticking out of it
so you can pop that on at any time and
have you out. Don't have to worry about like one
being out and all that, you know, doing what the
women want.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yes, I And look, this is very like Sex and
the City code. Do you remember that episode where there
was the nipple? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, and they had them at.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The bar, Like being on high Beam is kind of
sexy and I get that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Ew, what are those there's nipples?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And why are we carrying them around? They were said
to me of some kind of promotional thee Really is
there a nipple council or nipples getting a bad rap?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Nipples are huge right now?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Like being on high Beam is kind of sexy, and
I get that.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I love how Sex and City is still so relevant today.
I still look at it for all my dating advice,
which is a terrible idea. So anyway, this week, Kim
Kardashian has launched a new bra which is a variation
of the iconic nipple bra, but it's got a built
in nipple piercing. So there's a promotional video that came
out for it and a model she walks into a bar.
(03:03):
She's wearing a body suit with a bra and underneath,
and you can see that each of the nipples is pierced,
which is also like a choice, very kind of overt,
and she kind of says to the camera, there's.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Enough pantsul thanks about being a woman. Get the ooh without.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
The ouch, Get the ooh without the ouch, which is
marketing that speaks to my soul.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, I kind of like it. I mean, go for it.
Do you know it's funny because I do know that
whole Like if you've got nipples that aren't always hard, yeah,
and only one gets hard, you can feel and it
feels like a little bit like yeah, you know, after kids,
they're always like that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, just so you know, good to know one of
those things they don't tell you about motherhood.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
No, if you breastfeed, they will be like freaking ouch. Yeah, right,
therefore you but get you look, I probably wouldn't. I'm
not a padded bra person. I like as little padding
as possible. But go for it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I mean, it's got a market I like the idea
of it, just to kind of just I would just
love to worry it to tail with my friends and
just sit down and say nothing and just see who noticed.
But the kindly problem is that my boobs are so
enormous that I think a nipple piercing would just be
lost in the noise.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The option for just one nipple piercing.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I do it not in this first round. Maybe that's
some good feedback for Kim Kardashian because the thing is, like,
the nipple bra did sell very well, but it obviously
didn't sell as well as all of her other just
you know, basic kind of bra Jimmy Ki, yeah exactly,
but that company's like all the Kashdashian brands are good
at this, but Skims in particular is really good of it.
They're all run by the same woman who's like kind
of puts her magic on all the Kardashian brands.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Thinkers right now, are you?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
They go excellent marketing. Remember when she named it kimono
and gotten, Yeah, that was a misstep, but from Skims
is good. I think Skims then she's been doing quite
well because him and her team for Skims, I think,
are really good at jumping on really zeitgeisty moments. So
like when Sabrina Carpenter was kind of first blowing up
after she opened for Taylor Swift, like they had her
do a campaign when everyone was like fawning over Patrick
(05:02):
Swartznegger during like the White Lotus, Like they're really good
at just pulling people in doing like a sexy photo
shoot and then putting it out while they're in the moment,
whereas like more traditional media or marketing is like usually
lagging a few months to a year behind. So I
think this is just to get people talking, but like
it does the trick, and so many got us. Yeah exactly,
I feel like I've just done Skims promo. But anyway,
(05:22):
if anyone does buy the bra, it's retailing for seventy
four dollars US and you can buy it now from Skims. Again,
we don't get any commission from this, although that would
be delightful. But if anyone buys the new Pierce Bra,
let us know and as pictures in like a you know,
a subtle way.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, I'll not say it like a weird, creepy damn way.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Although I'd kind of be up from those street that
sounds kind of fun. So Hailey Beeber is on the
cover of the new Vogue magazine. And obviously when anyone
does a Vogue cover, they do the full big interview,
they do the full photo spread, but they also do
a Vogue video series to promote it, and in this case,
Kaylee has done the classic What's in Her Bag? Where
you know, the cool girls come in. They sit on
a beautiful beige couch. They go through their bag, which
(06:01):
has obviously been like very curated because there's never any
like dirty tissues or half eaten musley bars. It's always
like all their beautiful products, which I actually quite love.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I love it. It's a little bit of realism. If
we were going to do it for me right now,
let's do some realism.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh what's in there?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You ready? Hang on some gum wrapper or just a rapper?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Love that?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
An empty neurophon bottle.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh, that's when you know you've had a hard week.
It quite good. Yeah, I don't even know what's in mind?
Just so much. I have so much stuff in this
huge bag. I carry my whole life with me. But yeah,
an umbrella that doesn't work, an empty perfume bottle, so
much hand sanitizer because I have some deep seated germophobia
I need to work through one day with a therapist.
(06:46):
But nothing chic.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, but you don't know. Look, Hayley Baby, she looks
stunning on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She does look amazing. And when I first saw the video,
because I watched it, pretty much aston as it when
line with the Vogue cover, because it was all happening
was an event. And as you watch it, you quickly
realize it's not the traditional in her bag video. It's
a parody that a lot of work has been put
into to kind of address every single rumor about this
famous girl. So she's going through she pulls out about
ten mobile phones and says it's to set up like
(07:14):
stalker account surf and homously commenting stork view other girl's
pages and make multiple accounts, you know that kind of thing,
which is a really kind of sneaky nod to when
people have accused her of doing that to a lot
of other famous women, but in particular Selena Gomez, like
that old chestnut.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah. Do you know what I think is interesting about this?
I actually think this is a very smart PR move. Yeah,
her and her team is you know, when there is
all this discourse out there about her tricking Justin Bieber, Yeah,
falling in love with her, you embrace that and you
kind of make fun of yourself a little bit. I
think it's a really good PR tactic. On her behole.
(07:53):
My favorite part though, do you want to tell us
about the best bit? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, well, there's so many good moments. It's like a
freaking Mary Poppins bag. Like she pulls out this perfume
and talks about how her family got it for her
and it does all the work, and then she holds
it up and it's like it did perfume Nepo because
obviously you know she's a Nepo baby. She's from the
Baldwin family. Made me think of that time where she
did a paparazzi walk and that NEPO Baby T shirt
didn't really land at the time, the T shirt, but
(08:16):
this one quite did. She pulls out all of her
road lip glosses, is throwing them everywhere, and in a
Mary Poppins mood, she reaches into the bag and pulls
out her very infamous Air One smoothie, the one that
costs like us thirty dollars, and she drinks the whole
thing down and says that my skin looks this way
because of this, which I think is kind of a
nodge that idea of people saying that that smoothie is
(08:36):
not healthy it's so packed with sugar. And they're like,
there's no way Haley Beaber drinks that every day, which
is kind of the joke in the thing. But yeah,
the best one is when she pulls out this kind
of nondescript little black bottle with like a dropper and
holds it up to the camera and says this, Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So, last, but not least, this is a little tincture
potion that I got. I would say probably when I
was around twelve. My dad flew me to go and
meet with this witch who lived in the mountains, and
she made this specifically for me. She told me that
it would make a young Canadian pop star fall in
love with me. So yeah, been taking this one for years,
(09:13):
Absolutely love it, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Thanks dad, I love this. I actually again, I really
think this is a great way to kind of embrace
that negative energy. It's actually made me like Hailey Bieber
a lot more.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, I mean that idea because that has been a
thing for so long that she's tricked and bewitched and
like manipulated her way into making Justin Bieber fall in
love with her. So the way she kind of looks
to the camera and almost does this little wink and
says like I've been taking this every day and it
really works. Thanks Dad.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I feel like as well, like she could have gone
the other way and just kind of ignored it and
done a really serious one, but the fact that she's
happy to poke fund it herself kind of endears me
to her. Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, I think it's a nod too, because people have
always said that her dad tried to set her up
with Justin Bieber, because when she was a kid, there's
photos of her meeting Justin Bieber backstage like a talk
show or something like that, and her dad had brought
her along because he's famous and was able to pull
a few strings, and so many people say like he
brought his child daughter along to meet this guy to
like kind of entrap him from a really early age,
(10:17):
like all this kind of crazy stuff. So when she
does a little thanks Dad, it's kind of a nod
to that. The kind of thing is like, did she
come up with a concept I guess or second.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Look, she's had she's got a team behind her. I
would I would hazard a guess that she had like
a pr talk to her about the approach of this
and sort of trying to make a little bit of
light of it, because there has been so much negativity
around particularly around her and Justin's relationship, about how their
relationships falling apart, they're moving to Europe, Justin's having a
(10:48):
manic breakdown, Like there's been a lot of really negative
attention around them recently, and not a lot of the
positive you know, around road around her new baby. So
I think this Vogue article comes along with the in
her bag would we talk about in a little bit.
I think it's kind of a way to push a
little bit more of that positive narrative.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, as much as I don't think like she wrote
all the jokes, I think half the strength of like
a smart celebrity is someone who knows how to have
the right team around them and knows what to say
yes too. So the fact that she's playing into it
so well and that in her head someone said to her,
we'll just take everything and make fun of it, I
think it's very smart of her to really lean into that.
Because also it's Vogue. She could have gone and done
like her I know she's done other like more kind
(11:30):
of classic videos she could have done, like an at
home she could have done, like a photo shoot she
could have done something really lucks to like elevate herself
to high fashion.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
She could have done the really serious thing. But it
almost reminds me of like when Kim K did host
it SNL. Yeah, kind of that poking fun, you know,
humanizing and I think that that is so important to
people now, that authenticity, which I think is what she's
really trying to lean into.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, and she kind of knew the right people to
say yes too, which is very smart. It kind of
reminded me also when Brooklyn Beckham did that ad where
he poked fun at him Solom who was in a
hotel room and he was like poking fun at himself
and saying like, that's the Brooklyn Bridge. It's named after me,
and like text comes up and says that is not
the Brooklyn Bridge. And when I saw that, like it's
so indeed him to me because I'm like, oh he's
in on the joke. You get said like that's so smart.
(12:14):
And then later on when he was interviewed about it,
he was like, yeah, I didn't really understand it, Like
I didn't think people would find it funny because like
what's the joke? And I was like, oh, no, you
didn't get it I I was rooting for you. I
thought you were in on the joke, but you weren't.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
This is what this is what Reagar needed to do. Yeah,
the whole little limback. I know it's a bit of
those throwback, but like she should have leaned into it
rather than doubling down.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's the thing. If you find the human then people
kind of lean in. All the comments under this and
obviously there's always nasty things about Haley be but but
all the comments under these video is like really funny, supportive,
like she's definitely done the right thing. And also it
just also made not that I ever dis liked her.
That's a weird thing to hate someone that you don't know,
but it did kind of endear her to me because
it just made her seem like, you know, I love
someone who's in on the joke.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, so we've got more Hailey Beber off the back
of the video. We've also got the article that was
written with Vogue. Yes, now obviously she's got her full spread.
There's a full, you know, in depth article with journalists,
and I think the sort of key takeaways that I
got from this article were it was really positive and
it was really trying to humanize and create this amount
(13:18):
of authenticity around her. So you know, basically she's talking
a lot about road So her skin care line and
where that comes from, and how it has roots back
to how her mother was always into really like into skincare,
into making her you know, natural look beautiful, and you know,
there is massive lines for this brand, So it talks
(13:39):
a little bit about that. The thing that really caught
me was her talking about the birth of her son Jack.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And I think it's really easy for I kind of
forgot that she had a baby. I think a lot
of people do, just because they do like photos with
him every soft and but they don't ely you show
his face. He's not like out and about, like on
the streets and when they're getting papped. They don't sort
of bringing him up in too many interviews. So he
has been like a little a little secret enigma that
little Jack Blues Beber. Yeah, And do you know what,
(14:07):
I actually have a lot of respect for that, because
you know, we know that they're sort of overexposing children
at a young age is not good for them, and
so I do respect them. And she actually says in
the article that she's purposely sort of kept him out.
They don't really kind of leave the little gated community
in LA with him. But she actually talks about her
(14:28):
birth story now as the host of Diary of a Birth. Yeah,
I wanted to also Mama Maa. She talks a little
bit about the birth of her son Jack and you
know how it was actually quite a traumatic experience for her.
So she said that she did all of this work,
She went to hypno birthings, she did classes. She was like,
(14:48):
I felt like I was so ready. But in the
classic way that anyone who has given birth knows, things
don't always go to plan. Unfortunately, she started leaking and
neototic fluid in thirty nine weeks and she had to
be induced and she says that shit was so crazy.
That was not fun. They broke my water and went
into labor, she said, eighteen hours start to finish. Noo
phi Jural gives birth to him. Then she has a
(15:11):
clotting disorder. Her blood won't clot she starts losing leaders
of blood. They have to take the baby away. They're
trying to do all these different things to try and
stop the bleeding. So quite a traumatic experience for her,
which she shares and she hasn't shared that before. What
I like about this is that it's kind of like
those old Her articles celebrities, they're just like us. But again,
(15:35):
after hosting Diary of a Birth for so long, I
hear these stories all the time. No matter what, no
matter how prepared you are, there still are things that
can go wrong and can be really difficult for new mums.
And she also talked a lot about her post partner
experience and for me, seeing her in this spread where
(15:55):
she looks phenomenal like body is like amazing. What I
do like is she kind of talks a little bit
about the pressure that she put on herself to bounce
back and how she kept sort of self talking going,
you've just had a baby. You've just had a baby.
You've just had a baby. But I can only imagine
and even me after I had my kids, I was like,
(16:17):
I need to be back to where I was. So
to hear someone talk about that who is really heavily
in the popyic eye and saying that she felt a
lot of pressure. The other thing is she still does
look absolutely stunning and gordeous.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the thing I think I've
seen a lot of people share that particular quote around
how they are the fan at reassuring or like unbelievable
that someone who is kind of seen as one of
the most beautiful women in the world. It's so funny.
That's how the article starts off, Like the journalist is
talking about these lines that are crawling around street corners,
people lining up to get road products to see Hailey Bebert.
They've all like they're dressed exactly like her, They've got
(16:54):
their hair done like her, They've painted little freckles on
their faces to look like her. The hold she has
on culture, which I also think because this is whole
thing of like who deserves a VAD cover kind of thing.
A lot of the time it's meant to be like
taste makers, people who have changed the game, people have
at a certain level of fame, And when Hailey beebe
was on the cover, there was a lot of kind
of like behind the scenes people rolling their eyes and
(17:15):
being like, oh, she's just a pretty nepo baby who
walks around. So I thought it was like very telling
that they started the article saying millions of women across
the world have changed their appearance, their life, how they
post how they talk to be like her, Yeah, which
is crazy. And then I also havent it very vulnerable
for her to share a birth story because so often
you do hear and I guess everyone's experience is different,
but so often you do hear these like celebrity birth
(17:36):
stories and like they're like, I was just one with
the pain. I fell into it. My body was a temple,
and like maybe they all did, Like you hear all
these different birth stories where some people have a really
traumatic time and some people have a lovely experience and stuff.
But I thought it was very like, very honest of
her to say, like that was awful, it was really hard,
it was really scary. I didn't Basically, She's like, I
didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, you know, And do you know, I think the
postpartum thing is the one that I really want to touch.
So being postpartum is the most sensitive time I've ever
gone through in my life, and learning a new version
of myself is very difficult. Yeah, and that is probably
one of the most honest things I've seen. And she goes,
she goes and adds on to this that the pylon
from the media basically saying they're getting a divorce.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Everything's like it's a baby.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, this is crazy. She's losing it and all
of that. She said, it's such a mind fuck. I
cannot even begin to explain it. It's a crazy life
to live. And honestly, after reading that, I've had my
I've never been like a Hailey beaber Fangir love her style.
I think she's gorgeous. I have interviewed her a few times.
(18:42):
I didn't find her super interesting to talk to.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, that's a vad thing to see.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I also can acknowledge that people in her position would
become quite guarded when they are being interviewed by journalists.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But also she's famous more for a visual kind of take,
which I think is as we're saying, like people want
to look like her. Doesn't mean that she's not smart
or interesting, but she's not famous because of the way
she speaks or quote she says, or ideas that she likes.
It's more of like her an aesthetic thing, which is
still which is still fine. People will come famous for that.
But yeah, I've always wanted what to be like to
sit down and interview her. So it's interesting when you've
(19:17):
chatted to a present I did.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I look it was she came out for MC beauty
a few years ago. When we interviewed her on the carpet,
I did find her quite guarded, kind of a little bit.
I don't want to say pretentious, because I don't know
that it's fair again giving her the benefit of the doubt,
because I often try to give people the benefit out,
especially if it's the first time I've interviewed them. But
(19:40):
I did find her quite sort of pretentious and guarded.
But this is going on eight years ago, so obviously her.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Life is she might settled into.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, but yes, it's kind of nice to hear, you know,
her life on being a mum and being indoors. But
do you know what it is really funny is that,
you know we're talking about this article she's gone into.
How you know that she loves her home life. It's
all very romantic, it's kind of given like Megan Marcle,
It's all quite like, it's very curated. It's just clearly
a positive story by Vogue, something that was agreed upon beforehand.
(20:12):
This is going to be a positive story then all
Justin Bieber sticks his foot in his mouth.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh yeah, And this is the thing is this is
so at odds with how she paints him in the article.
She's like, he's such a hands on dad, Like we're
so happy, we just want to stay in La. We
love it here. And the end of the article is
like basically she's talking about how all these women, like
women in particular she's saying, are just like praying for
her downfall. That keeps saying that she and Justin are
going to break up, and now she's had a baby,
so she's like, well, suck that, haters, and it says like,
(20:39):
if you just read the article, it just comes across
that she and Justin Bieber have this fairytale marriage and
it's so lovely, which Justin very quickly undid I'm so
angry at this man. I don't usually have big thoughts
on Justin Bieber the same way I never have big
thoughts on Hailey Bieber. But this is just what was
he thinking. Because the day the Vogue article came out
and everywhere you look, everyone's like, hey, looks amazing. She
(21:00):
shared such a beautiful story. Her video is so funny.
She's so funny, like she's on a high of her
career that she has not hit before, Like this is
her moment, and Justin Bieber posts the cover to his
Instagram with millions and millions of followers. He's one of
the most followed people in the world on Instagram. And
he posts the cover and underneath he writes, YO, this
reminds me of when Haley and I got into a
(21:21):
huge fight. I told Hale's that she would never be
on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know, so mean.
He then went on to say that he had felt
really disrespected during a fight and ever since he's been
like dealing with it. And then he said, I think
as we're mature, we realize that we're not helping anyone
by getting even We're honestly just prolonging what we really want,
which is intimacy and connection. What And all of a sudden,
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all the comments under it were like, basically, do this
is so awful? Like this is such an awful thing
to say your wife. Imagine bringing up a time where
you had a fight and you told her you would
never get on Vogue. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It Now it's got that kind of like very demeaning,
almost like emotionally abusing tone to it, you know, sinking
to that level being like you would never be on
the cover of Vogue. You're not good enough for that.
He changed the caption pretty damn quickly, though.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, yeah, exactly, because I think he must have look
and again like he's obviously doing his own social media
because if anyone was, which we kind of always know
because he posts a lot of weird stuff, But if
anyone had been helping him at assistant anything, I'm sure
they would have been, like, unless they were terrified of him,
would be like, hey, are you sure you want to
post that you don't want to say like congrats, I
love you, or just like a love heart emoji anything,
But I once told you would never do this and
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then make it also about yourself and your emotional growth
and the things that you've done wrong, and but never
bring it back around to be like being proud or
anything like that. So the comments would quickly feel with
people saying, this is awful, this is disgusting, poor Hayley.
And then he quickly changed it to a few emojis,
But obviously the damage was done because that was screenshot.
It's gone everywhere. Everyone's talking about it, and now instead
of having like the conversation that we just had about
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like how vulnerable and interesting it was, and all these
different layers to this big article. All most people are
talking about right now is how terribly Justin Bieber treats
his wife, which is in just one caption he undid
everything she did in that article.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I know she's going to be given him a clip
across these.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I can just imagine upstairs feeding Jack Blues. She's looked
on her phone and she's seeing everyone go like, this
is amazing, this is so beautiful. And then she's like,
she's probably got alerts on her phone. Justin Bieber has posted,
and she's like, oh my god, it's so sweet. My husband,
who's downstairs on the couch just posted my Vogue cover.
She clicks into it, and I just really hope she
went downstairs and like threw a VARs at him or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
But listen, actually the article really did endear me to her.
She looks beautiful in the images. But just a tease, mate,
just just maybe think before type it.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But even if you had ever told your wife, like
I know a couple in the heat of the moment
say stuff to each other, but saying that you would
never be successful enough to have your own Vogue cover,
which is obviously something she's wanted for a long time,
and it's such a deeply cutting You know, someone who
knows you really well can cut the deepest, so he
must have known that would hurt her the most.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know what, there are certain lines, I think in
a relationship, there are certain lines that you never ever cross,
and for me, those sorts of like really deep cutting ones.
You can't really come back from.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That, exactly. You always have that in your head that
this like is she's the way you think, Yeah, like
like my husband never thought I deserved this kind of thing.
It's just, yeah, it is hard because obviously so much
of that article was curated to make all the rumors
about their marriage and relationship kind of go away, and
it does do that in a way, and then this
kind of just brings it all to the forefront. So
it is.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it is really show many people in the comments
to go and be like, it's not that deep, guys,
it's not that deep.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I do think it is. I don't know why. I'm
like so personally, I'm personally offended for Haley Baby that
someone will do this, because it's like the person who's
supposed to love you and support you the most ruining
your big moment through like a selfish act. I think
there's a lot of things you can come back from,
Like I don't think they'll get divorced. I think they're fine.
I don't think she tricked him into marriage or anything
like that. But I'm just saying, Dustin Bieber, you're on notice.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
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Speaker 2 (25:07):
Bye bye, Hella callap
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to this Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Causeen lu Kitch and on the show today,
Dear Hailey Baber has gifted us with so much content.
(00:37):
She is on the cover of the new Vogue magazine.
She's a Vogue cover girl, She's released a series of
videos to go with it, and Justin Bieber has weighed
in with a very unfortunate backstory about the whole thing.
So we're going to get into that, but first I
have some breaking news.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Tell me about this breaking news better be really really good.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Solve a problem that you've had in your life for
a long time but you haven't like felt comfortable to express. Okay,
have you ever been desperate to have a nipple piercing? Really? Yes? Seriously,
one of the target audience for this actually.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Have always thought about it, but then I was like,
I don't want it to show through. But I know
what you're about to say.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, so that's your issue. You don't want to show through.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm at the pain.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I cannot think of anything more painful.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I don't know why I can't. I don't have any tattoos,
I have to ear piercings. Like I'm very vanilla, but
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
On me too. I had to go to a premier
party the other night where they were giving out like
free piercings and tattoos. Everyone's like, this is your moment.
I was like, no, I wear one earring in each R.
No tattoos. I'm so boring now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm very vanilla, but for some reason, in the back
of my head, I'm like, maybe I want a nipple piercing.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, Kim Kardashian has heard your prayers from all the
other vanilla girls like you and me around the world
because Hot off the heels of her nipple bra she
released in October of last year. Remember how that just
became a huge thing. She's already got so many different
bras in her skims line, and that's worth over a
billion dollars. Everyone loves the bras like separate to Kim Kardashian,
like it's a really successful business. She released this nipple
(02:05):
bra where it has the nipple sticking out of it
so you can pop that on at any time and
have you out. Don't have to worry about like one
being out and all that, you know, doing what the
women want.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yes, I And look, this is very like Sex and
the City code. Do you remember that episode where there
was the nipple? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, and they had them at.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The bar, Like being on high Beam is kind of
sexy and I get that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Ew, what are those there's nipples?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And why are we carrying them around? They were said
to me of some kind of promotional thee Really is
there a nipple council or nipples getting a bad rap?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Nipples are huge right now?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Like being on high Beam is kind of sexy, and
I get that.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I love how Sex and City is still so relevant today.
I still look at it for all my dating advice,
which is a terrible idea. So anyway, this week, Kim
Kardashian has launched a new bra which is a variation
of the iconic nipple bra, but it's got a built
in nipple piercing. So there's a promotional video that came
out for it and a model she walks into a bar.
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She's wearing a body suit with a bra and underneath,
and you can see that each of the nipples is pierced,
which is also like a choice, very kind of overt,
and she kind of says to the camera, there's.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Enough pantsul thanks about being a woman. Get the ooh without.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
The ouch, Get the ooh without the ouch, which is
marketing that speaks to my soul.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, I kind of like it. I mean, go for it.
Do you know it's funny because I do know that
whole Like if you've got nipples that aren't always hard, yeah,
and only one gets hard, you can feel and it
feels like a little bit like yeah, you know, after kids,
they're always like that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, just so you know, good to know one of
those things they don't tell you about motherhood.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
No, if you breastfeed, they will be like freaking ouch. Yeah, right,
therefore you but get you look, I probably wouldn't. I'm
not a padded bra person. I like as little padding
as possible. But go for it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I mean, it's got a market I like the idea
of it, just to kind of just I would just
love to worry it to tail with my friends and
just sit down and say nothing and just see who noticed.
But the kindly problem is that my boobs are so
enormous that I think a nipple piercing would just be
lost in the noise.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The option for just one nipple piercing.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I do it not in this first round. Maybe that's
some good feedback for Kim Kardashian because the thing is, like,
the nipple bra did sell very well, but it obviously
didn't sell as well as all of her other just
you know, basic kind of bra Jimmy Ki, yeah exactly,
but that company's like all the Kashdashian brands are good
at this, but Skims in particular is really good of it.
They're all run by the same woman who's like kind
of puts her magic on all the Kardashian brands.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Thinkers right now, are you?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
They go excellent marketing. Remember when she named it kimono
and gotten, Yeah, that was a misstep, but from Skims
is good. I think Skims then she's been doing quite
well because him and her team for Skims, I think,
are really good at jumping on really zeitgeisty moments. So
like when Sabrina Carpenter was kind of first blowing up
after she opened for Taylor Swift, like they had her
do a campaign when everyone was like fawning over Patrick
(05:02):
Swartznegger during like the White Lotus, Like they're really good
at just pulling people in doing like a sexy photo
shoot and then putting it out while they're in the moment,
whereas like more traditional media or marketing is like usually
lagging a few months to a year behind. So I
think this is just to get people talking, but like
it does the trick, and so many got us. Yeah exactly,
I feel like I've just done Skims promo. But anyway,
(05:22):
if anyone does buy the bra, it's retailing for seventy
four dollars US and you can buy it now from Skims. Again,
we don't get any commission from this, although that would
be delightful. But if anyone buys the new Pierce Bra,
let us know and as pictures in like a you know,
a subtle way.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, I'll not say it like a weird, creepy damn way.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Although I'd kind of be up from those street that
sounds kind of fun. So Hailey Beeber is on the
cover of the new Vogue magazine. And obviously when anyone
does a Vogue cover, they do the full big interview,
they do the full photo spread, but they also do
a Vogue video series to promote it, and in this case,
Kaylee has done the classic What's in Her Bag? Where
you know, the cool girls come in. They sit on
a beautiful beige couch. They go through their bag, which
(06:01):
has obviously been like very curated because there's never any
like dirty tissues or half eaten musley bars. It's always
like all their beautiful products, which I actually quite love.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I love it. It's a little bit of realism. If
we were going to do it for me right now,
let's do some realism.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh what's in there?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You ready? Hang on some gum wrapper or just a rapper?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Love that?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
An empty neurophon bottle.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh, that's when you know you've had a hard week.
It quite good. Yeah, I don't even know what's in mind?
Just so much. I have so much stuff in this
huge bag. I carry my whole life with me. But yeah,
an umbrella that doesn't work, an empty perfume bottle, so
much hand sanitizer because I have some deep seated germophobia
I need to work through one day with a therapist.
(06:46):
But nothing chic.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, but you don't know. Look, Hayley Baby, she looks
stunning on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She does look amazing. And when I first saw the video,
because I watched it, pretty much aston as it when
line with the Vogue cover, because it was all happening
was an event. And as you watch it, you quickly
realize it's not the traditional in her bag video. It's
a parody that a lot of work has been put
into to kind of address every single rumor about this
famous girl. So she's going through she pulls out about
ten mobile phones and says it's to set up like
(07:14):
stalker account surf and homously commenting stork view other girl's
pages and make multiple accounts, you know that kind of thing,
which is a really kind of sneaky nod to when
people have accused her of doing that to a lot
of other famous women, but in particular Selena Gomez, like
that old chestnut.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah. Do you know what I think is interesting about this?
I actually think this is a very smart PR move. Yeah,
her and her team is you know, when there is
all this discourse out there about her tricking Justin Bieber, Yeah,
falling in love with her, you embrace that and you
kind of make fun of yourself a little bit. I
think it's a really good PR tactic. On her behole.
(07:53):
My favorite part though, do you want to tell us
about the best bit? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, well, there's so many good moments. It's like a
freaking Mary Poppins bag. Like she pulls out this perfume
and talks about how her family got it for her
and it does all the work, and then she holds
it up and it's like it did perfume Nepo because
obviously you know she's a Nepo baby. She's from the
Baldwin family. Made me think of that time where she
did a paparazzi walk and that NEPO Baby T shirt
didn't really land at the time, the T shirt, but
(08:16):
this one quite did. She pulls out all of her
road lip glosses, is throwing them everywhere, and in a
Mary Poppins mood, she reaches into the bag and pulls
out her very infamous Air One smoothie, the one that
costs like us thirty dollars, and she drinks the whole
thing down and says that my skin looks this way
because of this, which I think is kind of a
nodge that idea of people saying that that smoothie is
(08:36):
not healthy it's so packed with sugar. And they're like,
there's no way Haley Beaber drinks that every day, which
is kind of the joke in the thing. But yeah,
the best one is when she pulls out this kind
of nondescript little black bottle with like a dropper and
holds it up to the camera and says this, Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So, last, but not least, this is a little tincture
potion that I got. I would say probably when I
was around twelve. My dad flew me to go and
meet with this witch who lived in the mountains, and
she made this specifically for me. She told me that
it would make a young Canadian pop star fall in
love with me. So yeah, been taking this one for years,
(09:13):
Absolutely love it, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Thanks dad, I love this. I actually again, I really
think this is a great way to kind of embrace
that negative energy. It's actually made me like Hailey Bieber
a lot more.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, I mean that idea because that has been a
thing for so long that she's tricked and bewitched and
like manipulated her way into making Justin Bieber fall in
love with her. So the way she kind of looks
to the camera and almost does this little wink and
says like I've been taking this every day and it
really works. Thanks Dad.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I feel like as well, like she could have gone
the other way and just kind of ignored it and
done a really serious one, but the fact that she's
happy to poke fund it herself kind of endears me
to her. Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, I think it's a nod too, because people have
always said that her dad tried to set her up
with Justin Bieber, because when she was a kid, there's
photos of her meeting Justin Bieber backstage like a talk
show or something like that, and her dad had brought
her along because he's famous and was able to pull
a few strings, and so many people say like he
brought his child daughter along to meet this guy to
like kind of entrap him from a really early age,
(10:17):
like all this kind of crazy stuff. So when she
does a little thanks Dad, it's kind of a nod
to that. The kind of thing is like, did she
come up with a concept I guess or second.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Look, she's had she's got a team behind her. I
would I would hazard a guess that she had like
a pr talk to her about the approach of this
and sort of trying to make a little bit of
light of it, because there has been so much negativity
around particularly around her and Justin's relationship, about how their
relationships falling apart, they're moving to Europe, Justin's having a
(10:48):
manic breakdown, Like there's been a lot of really negative
attention around them recently, and not a lot of the
positive you know, around road around her new baby. So
I think this Vogue article comes along with the in
her bag would we talk about in a little bit.
I think it's kind of a way to push a
little bit more of that positive narrative.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, as much as I don't think like she wrote
all the jokes, I think half the strength of like
a smart celebrity is someone who knows how to have
the right team around them and knows what to say
yes too. So the fact that she's playing into it
so well and that in her head someone said to her,
we'll just take everything and make fun of it, I
think it's very smart of her to really lean into that.
Because also it's Vogue. She could have gone and done
like her I know she's done other like more kind
(11:30):
of classic videos she could have done, like an at
home she could have done, like a photo shoot she
could have done something really lucks to like elevate herself
to high fashion.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
She could have done the really serious thing. But it
almost reminds me of like when Kim K did host
it SNL. Yeah, kind of that poking fun, you know,
humanizing and I think that that is so important to
people now, that authenticity, which I think is what she's
really trying to lean into.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, and she kind of knew the right people to
say yes too, which is very smart. It kind of
reminded me also when Brooklyn Beckham did that ad where
he poked fun at him Solom who was in a
hotel room and he was like poking fun at himself
and saying like, that's the Brooklyn Bridge. It's named after me,
and like text comes up and says that is not
the Brooklyn Bridge. And when I saw that, like it's
so indeed him to me because I'm like, oh he's
in on the joke. You get said like that's so smart.
(12:14):
And then later on when he was interviewed about it,
he was like, yeah, I didn't really understand it, Like
I didn't think people would find it funny because like
what's the joke? And I was like, oh, no, you
didn't get it I I was rooting for you. I
thought you were in on the joke, but you weren't.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
This is what this is what Reagar needed to do. Yeah,
the whole little limback. I know it's a bit of
those throwback, but like she should have leaned into it
rather than doubling down.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's the thing. If you find the human then people
kind of lean in. All the comments under this and
obviously there's always nasty things about Haley be but but
all the comments under these video is like really funny, supportive,
like she's definitely done the right thing. And also it
just also made not that I ever dis liked her.
That's a weird thing to hate someone that you don't know,
but it did kind of endear her to me because
it just made her seem like, you know, I love
someone who's in on the joke.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, so we've got more Hailey Beber off the back
of the video. We've also got the article that was
written with Vogue. Yes, now obviously she's got her full spread.
There's a full, you know, in depth article with journalists,
and I think the sort of key takeaways that I
got from this article were it was really positive and
it was really trying to humanize and create this amount
(13:18):
of authenticity around her. So you know, basically she's talking
a lot about road So her skin care line and
where that comes from, and how it has roots back
to how her mother was always into really like into skincare,
into making her you know, natural look beautiful, and you know,
there is massive lines for this brand, So it talks
(13:39):
a little bit about that. The thing that really caught
me was her talking about the birth of her son Jack.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And I think it's really easy for I kind of
forgot that she had a baby. I think a lot
of people do, just because they do like photos with
him every soft and but they don't ely you show
his face. He's not like out and about, like on
the streets and when they're getting papped. They don't sort
of bringing him up in too many interviews. So he
has been like a little a little secret enigma that
little Jack Blues Beber. Yeah, And do you know what,
(14:07):
I actually have a lot of respect for that, because
you know, we know that they're sort of overexposing children
at a young age is not good for them, and
so I do respect them. And she actually says in
the article that she's purposely sort of kept him out.
They don't really kind of leave the little gated community
in LA with him. But she actually talks about her
(14:28):
birth story now as the host of Diary of a Birth. Yeah,
I wanted to also Mama Maa. She talks a little
bit about the birth of her son Jack and you
know how it was actually quite a traumatic experience for her.
So she said that she did all of this work,
She went to hypno birthings, she did classes. She was like,
(14:48):
I felt like I was so ready. But in the
classic way that anyone who has given birth knows, things
don't always go to plan. Unfortunately, she started leaking and
neototic fluid in thirty nine weeks and she had to
be induced and she says that shit was so crazy.
That was not fun. They broke my water and went
into labor, she said, eighteen hours start to finish. Noo
phi Jural gives birth to him. Then she has a
(15:11):
clotting disorder. Her blood won't clot she starts losing leaders
of blood. They have to take the baby away. They're
trying to do all these different things to try and
stop the bleeding. So quite a traumatic experience for her,
which she shares and she hasn't shared that before. What
I like about this is that it's kind of like
those old Her articles celebrities, they're just like us. But again,
(15:35):
after hosting Diary of a Birth for so long, I
hear these stories all the time. No matter what, no
matter how prepared you are, there still are things that
can go wrong and can be really difficult for new mums.
And she also talked a lot about her post partner
experience and for me, seeing her in this spread where
(15:55):
she looks phenomenal like body is like amazing. What I
do like is she kind of talks a little bit
about the pressure that she put on herself to bounce
back and how she kept sort of self talking going,
you've just had a baby. You've just had a baby.
You've just had a baby. But I can only imagine
and even me after I had my kids, I was like,
(16:17):
I need to be back to where I was. So
to hear someone talk about that who is really heavily
in the popyic eye and saying that she felt a
lot of pressure. The other thing is she still does
look absolutely stunning and gordeous.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the thing I think I've
seen a lot of people share that particular quote around
how they are the fan at reassuring or like unbelievable
that someone who is kind of seen as one of
the most beautiful women in the world. It's so funny.
That's how the article starts off, Like the journalist is
talking about these lines that are crawling around street corners,
people lining up to get road products to see Hailey Bebert.
They've all like they're dressed exactly like her, They've got
(16:54):
their hair done like her, They've painted little freckles on
their faces to look like her. The hold she has
on culture, which I also think because this is whole
thing of like who deserves a VAD cover kind of thing.
A lot of the time it's meant to be like
taste makers, people who have changed the game, people have
at a certain level of fame, And when Hailey beebe
was on the cover, there was a lot of kind
of like behind the scenes people rolling their eyes and
(17:15):
being like, oh, she's just a pretty nepo baby who
walks around. So I thought it was like very telling
that they started the article saying millions of women across
the world have changed their appearance, their life, how they
post how they talk to be like her, Yeah, which
is crazy. And then I also havent it very vulnerable
for her to share a birth story because so often
you do hear and I guess everyone's experience is different,
but so often you do hear these like celebrity birth
(17:36):
stories and like they're like, I was just one with
the pain. I fell into it. My body was a temple,
and like maybe they all did, Like you hear all
these different birth stories where some people have a really
traumatic time and some people have a lovely experience and stuff.
But I thought it was very like, very honest of
her to say, like that was awful, it was really hard,
it was really scary. I didn't Basically, She's like, I
didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, you know, And do you know, I think the
postpartum thing is the one that I really want to touch.
So being postpartum is the most sensitive time I've ever
gone through in my life, and learning a new version
of myself is very difficult. Yeah, and that is probably
one of the most honest things I've seen. And she goes,
she goes and adds on to this that the pylon
from the media basically saying they're getting a divorce.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Everything's like it's a baby.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, this is crazy. She's losing it and all
of that. She said, it's such a mind fuck. I
cannot even begin to explain it. It's a crazy life
to live. And honestly, after reading that, I've had my
I've never been like a Hailey beaber Fangir love her style.
I think she's gorgeous. I have interviewed her a few times.
(18:42):
I didn't find her super interesting to talk to.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, that's a vad thing to see.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I also can acknowledge that people in her position would
become quite guarded when they are being interviewed by journalists.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But also she's famous more for a visual kind of take,
which I think is as we're saying, like people want
to look like her. Doesn't mean that she's not smart
or interesting, but she's not famous because of the way
she speaks or quote she says, or ideas that she likes.
It's more of like her an aesthetic thing, which is
still which is still fine. People will come famous for that.
But yeah, I've always wanted what to be like to
sit down and interview her. So it's interesting when you've
(19:17):
chatted to a present I did.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I look it was she came out for MC beauty
a few years ago. When we interviewed her on the carpet,
I did find her quite guarded, kind of a little bit.
I don't want to say pretentious, because I don't know
that it's fair again giving her the benefit of the doubt,
because I often try to give people the benefit out,
especially if it's the first time I've interviewed them. But
(19:40):
I did find her quite sort of pretentious and guarded.
But this is going on eight years ago, so obviously her.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Life is she might settled into.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, but yes, it's kind of nice to hear, you know,
her life on being a mum and being indoors. But
do you know what it is really funny is that,
you know we're talking about this article she's gone into.
How you know that she loves her home life. It's
all very romantic, it's kind of given like Megan Marcle,
It's all quite like, it's very curated. It's just clearly
a positive story by Vogue, something that was agreed upon beforehand.
(20:12):
This is going to be a positive story then all
Justin Bieber sticks his foot in his mouth.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh yeah, And this is the thing is this is
so at odds with how she paints him in the article.
She's like, he's such a hands on dad, Like we're
so happy, we just want to stay in La. We
love it here. And the end of the article is
like basically she's talking about how all these women, like
women in particular she's saying, are just like praying for
her downfall. That keeps saying that she and Justin are
going to break up, and now she's had a baby,
so she's like, well, suck that, haters, and it says like,
(20:39):
if you just read the article, it just comes across
that she and Justin Bieber have this fairytale marriage and
it's so lovely, which Justin very quickly undid I'm so
angry at this man. I don't usually have big thoughts
on Justin Bieber the same way I never have big
thoughts on Hailey Bieber. But this is just what was
he thinking. Because the day the Vogue article came out
and everywhere you look, everyone's like, hey, looks amazing. She
(21:00):
shared such a beautiful story. Her video is so funny.
She's so funny, like she's on a high of her
career that she has not hit before, Like this is
her moment, and Justin Bieber posts the cover to his
Instagram with millions and millions of followers. He's one of
the most followed people in the world on Instagram. And
he posts the cover and underneath he writes, YO, this
reminds me of when Haley and I got into a
(21:21):
huge fight. I told Hale's that she would never be
on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know, so mean.
He then went on to say that he had felt
really disrespected during a fight and ever since he's been
like dealing with it. And then he said, I think
as we're mature, we realize that we're not helping anyone
by getting even We're honestly just prolonging what we really want,
which is intimacy and connection. What And all of a sudden,
(21:45):
all the comments under it were like, basically, do this
is so awful? Like this is such an awful thing
to say your wife. Imagine bringing up a time where
you had a fight and you told her you would
never get on Vogue. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It Now it's got that kind of like very demeaning,
almost like emotionally abusing tone to it, you know, sinking
to that level being like you would never be on
the cover of Vogue. You're not good enough for that.
He changed the caption pretty damn quickly, though.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, yeah, exactly, because I think he must have look
and again like he's obviously doing his own social media
because if anyone was, which we kind of always know
because he posts a lot of weird stuff, But if
anyone had been helping him at assistant anything, I'm sure
they would have been, like, unless they were terrified of him,
would be like, hey, are you sure you want to
post that you don't want to say like congrats, I
love you, or just like a love heart emoji anything,
But I once told you would never do this and
(22:30):
then make it also about yourself and your emotional growth
and the things that you've done wrong, and but never
bring it back around to be like being proud or
anything like that. So the comments would quickly feel with
people saying, this is awful, this is disgusting, poor Hayley.
And then he quickly changed it to a few emojis,
But obviously the damage was done because that was screenshot.
It's gone everywhere. Everyone's talking about it, and now instead
of having like the conversation that we just had about
(22:52):
like how vulnerable and interesting it was, and all these
different layers to this big article. All most people are
talking about right now is how terribly Justin Bieber treats
his wife, which is in just one caption he undid
everything she did in that article.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I know she's going to be given him a clip
across these.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I can just imagine upstairs feeding Jack Blues. She's looked
on her phone and she's seeing everyone go like, this
is amazing, this is so beautiful. And then she's like,
she's probably got alerts on her phone. Justin Bieber has posted,
and she's like, oh my god, it's so sweet. My husband,
who's downstairs on the couch just posted my Vogue cover.
She clicks into it, and I just really hope she
went downstairs and like threw a VARs at him or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
But listen, actually the article really did endear me to her.
She looks beautiful in the images. But just a tease, mate,
just just maybe think before type it.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But even if you had ever told your wife, like
I know a couple in the heat of the moment
say stuff to each other, but saying that you would
never be successful enough to have your own Vogue cover,
which is obviously something she's wanted for a long time,
and it's such a deeply cutting You know, someone who
knows you really well can cut the deepest, so he
must have known that would hurt her the most.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know what, there are certain lines, I think in
a relationship, there are certain lines that you never ever cross,
and for me, those sorts of like really deep cutting ones.
You can't really come back from.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That, exactly. You always have that in your head that
this like is she's the way you think, Yeah, like
like my husband never thought I deserved this kind of thing.
It's just, yeah, it is hard because obviously so much
of that article was curated to make all the rumors
about their marriage and relationship kind of go away, and
it does do that in a way, and then this
kind of just brings it all to the forefront. So
it is.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it is really show many people in the comments
to go and be like, it's not that deep, guys,
it's not that deep.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I do think it is. I don't know why. I'm
like so personally, I'm personally offended for Haley Baby that
someone will do this, because it's like the person who's
supposed to love you and support you the most ruining
your big moment through like a selfish act. I think
there's a lot of things you can come back from,
Like I don't think they'll get divorced. I think they're fine.
I don't think she tricked him into marriage or anything
like that. But I'm just saying, Dustin Bieber, you're on notice.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Thanks for listening to the Spill today. Don't forget to
follow this spill on TikTok. The Spill is produced by
Georgie Page and Manisia Ishwaran and sound production by Scott Stroak.
We'll see you back here on your podcast feed at
freepy and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Bye bye, Hella callap
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