October 7, 2025 • 34 mins
Paris Fashion Week drew an especially impressive celebrity crowd this year, but what happened outside the shows was more exciting than what was shown on the runway. From Anne Hathaway's best friend's reveal to Charlize Theron allegedly snubbing Johnny Depp and Meghan Markle’s headline-making entrances and behaviour, here’s a recap of everything you need to know.
And Sean "Diddy" Combs has been sentenced to more than four years in prison after being convicted on prostitution-related charges involving his two ex-girlfriends. Now his famous ex-girlfriend has made a chilling public statement about her safety.
Plus, the Kardashians have been lying low lately, but it’s all part of their master plan when it comes to launching the upcoming season of their reality show. From a lawsuit involving Kim’s infamous sex tape (and an alleged hit put out on her life) to a family feud they’ve been keeping out of the headlines, here’s everything they didn’t want you to know.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
From Mamma Mia, welcome to the spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney, and I'm Ksenya Lukic. And
coming up on the show today, Sean Combs has received
his prison sentence. Some of his victims have come forward
with very passionate and very upsetting impact statements. We're gonna
unpack all of that because we have been following this
case since the moment it started.
(00:37):
Plus, the Kardashians have released a trailer for the new
season of their reality show. It's packed with drama, people
have very divisive thoughts about it. And they've also pulled
a page out of their old game book that they've
been lying low before they've unleashed all these dramas upon
the world. So we're getting into that. But first, something
a bit lighter.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But
first, Paris Fashion.
It has been a celebrity hotspot this year, and, you know,
every year at Fashion Weeks, we get all of our
celebs front row, but there's something about this Paris Fashion
Week that seems like there's a lot of big A-listers. Now,
the one that I want to flag, first of all,
is obviously our recently divorced Nicole Kidman.
(01:21):
Now, she was seen at the Chanel show with her
daughter Sunday and Faith. She's just been announced as the
new ambassador for Chanel, and she shows up looking gorgeous
in this big oversized white shirt, big baggy jeans. It
was very sort of chic, and breakup bangs.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, there was a lot of attention on the breakup bangs.
A lot of people were saying it was her first, like,
big public appearance since she officially filed for divorce from
Keith Urban, but she did go to a charity event
the other day with the creator of Lioness, the TV
show that's now gone to its 2nd season. But obviously,
that was not a huge public event, like going to
Fashion Week. So she walked into the Chanel show with
(02:00):
her daughters, Faith Margaret and Sunday Rose.
And was all smiles in front of the cameras, and again,
had the breakup bangs, which I, I guess that's definitely
what they are. That is the whole thing that after
a breakup, especially is not as huge as that, you
often do feel the urge to do something big to
shake up your appearance.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I do feel like
though for celebrities, it doesn't feel as mind blowing because
they change up their looks so frequently.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I, I feel like if it was like someone who
had the same hairsty.
for decades. Like if Jenn Aniston suddenly had like a
red bob or something like that, because she's had the
same hair for 30 years, I would be like, Well,
that's a breakup haircut. But because Nicole Kidman, she's never
come out and said it, but she does wear wigs
a lot, which a lot of famous women do. She
can't put your hair through the wringer of like, that
(02:44):
much heat styling, and also she's always got wildly different lengths.
So for all we knew, they were clip on bangs.
Chanel clip on bangs, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, she's been blonde,
she's got that strawberry blonde that she always does. I
feel like Jen Ashton did have a red bob in
Horrible Bosses. Yeah, but was that a red bob or
am I imagining things? I feel
like
Speaker 1 (03:03):
maybe in one of the later movies, but in the
first one, I think she had her normal hair. That's
the thing about Jenton not to make Nicole Kidman's break
up about her is that she's always just Jed Aniston
and everything. She always has a nude lip and a
soft contoured cheek and a long
bronde, sleek.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah. I just
had, I had this flash of like a weird bob
in Horrible Boss, but maybe I'm imagining it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I can't remember a lot about that movie.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So she's a model now, as we know. So last year,
she did a debut at Mumu, and then this year
she actually walked in Dior, looking gorgeous. That's why she
was there with her mom, obviously, as, you know, her
mom was the ambassador for Chanel.
And her sister was there. But it seems like a
lot of the attention is around the fact that her
(03:44):
parents are divorcing. So it must be kind of a
weird thing for her to be
doing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, and that's the thing when people say like, oh,
they deliberately announced they were divorce at this time. I mean,
we have no information on that, but I do feel
like that's what also makes me feel like that was
a bit of a leak, because I don't think any
parents would deliberately put that information out to the world
and leak it to try and get headlines when their
daughter's about to have this huge career moment. I think
it's just the fallout of what happens when you're that famous.
(04:09):
But yes, a lot of people were very excited to
see Nicole. She's definitely got like a very loyal fan
base going into this breakup. Like everyone is Team Nicole.
Someone else who a lot of people were talking about
was Meghan Markle. Did you see her there? It's the
first time she's been to Europe in 3 years, and
the first time she's been to Paris Fashion Week. So
Speaker 2 (04:24):
she was
there for the Balenciaga show. I was actually quite surprised
to see her. And when I was looking at the images,
I was like, These feel like they were taken 5
years ago, like, because she's not out very often anymore.
It didn't register that these were recent images.
I don't know why. Because I feel like because Will's
has been in the media so much with that Eugene
Levy doco that he's been doing, and there's been so
(04:47):
much press around that. And I feel like Megan's kind
of taken a little bit of a step back, as
Megan maybe can, just a tiny little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, I guess she did like a bit of a
press blitz for her TV show, and even though it
doesn't been like that long ago, she has been laying
low since then. But yes, she went to the Balenciaga show.
There was a lot of videos of her greeting Anna Wintour.
And Anna Wintour saying that she looked beautiful. And a
lot of people thought that was interesting because there's always
been this rumor that there's a bit of a feud
between them from when Meghan Markle was on the cover
(05:16):
of Vogue in 2022. And the whole story then was like,
she made so many demands, you know, the classic Meghan
Markle story. She made so many demands, she did this,
she did this. Anna Wintour has now chosen a side
against her, and we haven't really seen them interact since then,
which is fair enough because they don't run in exactly
the same circles. And Megan famously has had quite a
bit on the last few years, but they
Embrace very warmly. So, Anna Winto, a lot of people think,
(05:40):
wouldn't do that unless she was bestowing favor on her
because she doesn't go about warmly hugging that many
people.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's interesting to see her at like an actual fashion event,
because obviously, before she got with Harry, she was at
a lot of these press events and Toronto Film Festival
and fashion festivals and all of that stuff. But it's
kind of odd to see her back in the limelight
in this way. It feels really weird to me. I
don't know if it does for you, but it feels odd.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, I mean, what I wanted more of from Meghan
Markle was more of her behind the scenes Instagram stories,
because you can just tell she's, you know, how like
child stars get very stuck at the age they became famous.
I feel like she's stuck in the social media time
of when she got her Instagram and her blog taken
away from her. And so, you, and because she didn't
have Instagram for so long, and the woman loves an
(06:26):
Instagram post with a long caption, so do I, no judgment.
She loves an Instagram.
Story. And so she was taking videos out of the
car as she went and taking like little moments, and
people were kind of calling her tacky or saying that
she didn't have an eye or she was showing off.
And I was like, let the woman take an Instagram
Speaker 2 (06:42):
story. Was she taking her stories horizontally? Is that was
she actually because I think so that's the way you
were holding your hands up for those who are I
Speaker 1 (06:51):
mean I don't know, she's out the car window. There
are a few different angles. Whatever she
I was doing, it wasn't like the way that some
people think you should do an Instagram story.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't, I don't feel like I'm not cool anymore
because I'm a millennial, but like Gen Z is is
that like, not cool to hold your phone up horizontally
when you're taking a story?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, exactly. But also, I just feel like don't try
and be a Gen Z if you're not. That's totally fine. So, yeah,
Meghan Markle got her criticism, but she looks like she
was having a lovely time, so I think she's the
winner at the end of the day. A few other
little celeb interactions, cause
That's what I'm really looking for. I'm not looking for,
I'm personally not gonna wear a trend from Paris Fashion
Week because it doesn't translate to our, like, you know,
normal gal lives here in Australia. But there is a
(07:28):
video of Charlize Theron coming and like warmly hugging a
lot of people at the Dior show. And then she,
you can see Johnny Depp not quite coming in for
a hug, but he definitely comes in salon and she
just turns and walks away. They did star in a
movie together back in
1999, though, the astronaut's wife. So it's, it's quite fair
that Sherize might have completely forgotten that moment ever happened.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I saw the video and it looks like, so she's
doing those perfect French air kisses to Bridgette Macron, the
first lady of France, and, uh, the LVMH CEO. And
she does those really pretty little French kisses and then
kind of ignores Johnny, but I feel like she just
didn't see him cause he kind of sat back from
the both of them.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I also feel like if anyone's gonna not kiss up
to Johnny Depp, because he's been involved with Dior for
so long, and they're one of the brands that have
always kind of stood by him in many different ways.
So like, it's fitting that he would be at that show.
But I feel like from what we know about Charlize
Theron and how she talks, she would be not someone
to be kissing up to him just to save face.
And so maybe she's like, I'm not picking a side,
but I don't even want to be in a photo.
(08:28):
It seems like a statement to hug him and kiss him,
the way I have with everyone else here, so I'm
just gonna turn in.
And walk away. The other person making a statement was
my fave person to see in any public setting at
the moment because she's on a 10 when it comes
to publicity is Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Oh, I thought you were gonna say Emma Watson.
Oh,
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I know,
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I saw Emma,
Speaker 1 (08:45):
but I just saw her kind of just going in
and out of shows looking quite chic. I
Speaker 2 (08:48):
know people were like thinking she was engaged. Didn't you
see there, all the photos with her with her little
ring finger? I think
Speaker 1 (08:53):
she is, I know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
She said that she's completely
Speaker 1 (08:56):
single, so I think she just had a ring on.
But Anne Hathaway walked into the Balenciaga show, graphic t-shirt,
big leather gloves, her like messy hair, her new face,
all done up. Um, she looks gorgeous, but she loves
to sort of like put on a bit of a
show for the PAPs, which I understand because she's a performer,
she's a theater kid at heart. She loves to put
on a show. And she saw Simone Ashley, who was
(09:17):
her co-star in the new Devil Wears Prada movie.
And she yells out to her, Simone Ashley, and it
sounds like she's having a fangirl moment, but then she
runs up to her and embraces her, and she says
to the photographers around them, I recognized her back, that's
how close we are.
And I was like, get it, your friends, your co-stars,
you guys are
cool.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I love that. I actually love Anne Hathaway. I don't
know why people have a problem with her. I just,
I
Speaker 1 (09:39):
mean, I love how she puts on a show, like
the whole, like, she steps out of her car and
she's like, Karma, karma, please step back. There's no need
to panic. There's no need to push. Please step back.
This is calm, this is calm. And then she'll always
like have a little like flirty thing to say to
the photographers, and she struts in.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I thoroughly
Speaker 1 (09:56):
enjoy her she's there to put on a show and
I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I
like it too. So yes, a lot of amazing celebrity
sightings at Paris Fashion Week this year.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So following his trial, which we have been covering extensively
here on the spill, Sean Combs has been sentenced to
50 months in prison. That sentencing happened this past Friday
after his federal sex crime case. So, we did hear
from the judge that Sean Combs could be released in
less than 3 years after receiving credit for the time
he's already spent locked up. So he has been in
(10:26):
that prison, held in custody since September 2024. People would
know that he and his
Legal team did request to let him be out on
bail many times. During that time he was in prison,
it was always denied. A lot of stories came out
about what it was like for him in prison in
terms of it being like a very, not just an
intense security space, but on the lower end of prison stays,
(10:47):
if that makes any sense when you're kind of looking
at where he was living.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And you
can also think about like the way he would have
been received by inmates as well. Like, despite the charges,
I can imagine.
And someone as prolific as him would be welcomed with
more open arms. Yes,
Speaker 1 (11:05):
yes. And so, yeah, there was obviously a huge amount
of coverage, both of the court cases and his life
in prison over the last year. When he went to
the court for the sentencing, he had already sent a
4-page letter to the judge, sort of explaining his remorse,
explaining his thoughts, and just kind of like putting almost
like his final say out to the
Court. And then the actual sentencing, he stood up before
(11:27):
the court and the judge for 10 minutes and made
a statement. And in that statement, which has been made
available for the public to read, he said that he
was deeply sorry for all the hurt and the pain
that he has caused by others. He then went on
to say, speaking about two of the women who testified
in the court case. So we had R&B star Cassandra
(11:48):
Ventura Fine, known as Cassie, more prominently, and also
A woman who was just identified as Jane throughout the
court proceedings. So both those women testified against him, and
in his statement, he offered up an apology to both
of them. So he said publicly, I want to personally
apologize again to Cassie Ventura for any harm or hurt
that I've caused her, emotionally or physically. My actions were disgusting, shameful,
(12:12):
and sick. And then he went on to just offer
up that same apology to Jane and just say that
he understood his wrongdoing.
And that's obviously a huge statement just because both Cassie
and Jane testified during the trial that Sean Combs had
physically abused and controlled them.
And they had both alleged that he had them participate
in these kind of marathon drug fueled sexual encounters, the
(12:33):
freak off with male escorts, so many allegations, which unfortunately,
he was cleared of. It was a prostitution charge that
he ended up being the charges keeping him in prison. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (12:42):
we have covered this case pretty extensively on the spill.
I've watched a bunch of documentaries on Sean Peter D Combs,
and I find this very difficult to accept. And I
think a lot of people are very disappointed in this
particular sentence.
Given the severity of the charges that were laid against him. Now, obviously,
he wasn't convicted of the more serious ones, which is
why his prison sentence will probably be closer to that
(13:04):
4-year mark. He may get out earlier than that, we
don't know. It is really disappointing to me after seeing
a lot of the testimony from the victims and the
people who are alleging these particular crimes of PDD, not
just the ones that he was charged for, but previous
ones that he had been charged for in like the 90s.
And it just, it feels so hollow to me, these
(13:27):
apologies that he's made. Yeah, it just doesn't feel authentic
to me, and it feels like a very, like, he
feels like he's gotten away with
it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, I think a lot of people were really distraught
and dismayed when they heard that he'd been found not
guilty of a number of the bigger charges, specifically when
you had all these women coming forward. And the thing is,
there were hundreds of people who came forward with stories
and their stories couldn't be very
for a number of different reasons. I think that's the
thing to remember is that like, it takes so much
(13:57):
to get a story like this to court and to
get a trial like this. The victims have to have
so much evidence, they have to share so many personal accounts.
They have to have so many stories vetted that the
few people whose stories made it to the trial were
a representation of the hundreds of people that had made
allegations and for technical reasons couldn't be included. And then
you had people like Cassie who were in that courtroom
(14:19):
facing him.
On so many days, and she was very heavily pregnant
at the time, and sharing these horrific tales, and the
fact that it was just one count he was found
guilty of for 4 years with time already served. It's
not nothing. At least he will be in jail for
a few more years. But when you think that people
were thinking that he could have been in there for life,
this does seem like a very hollow.
(14:40):
Kind of ending to this trial.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And
I think the problem is, and I think this is
a really challenging part with a lot of these particular convictions,
particularly of men in power, is that these crimes are
really hard to verify, like you said, and it is
a lot of the time he said, she said, and
the defense team know that. They know that there's a
lot of technicalities that they can get out on. Now, obviously,
(15:03):
he has not been convicted of these things, so he's
not guilty of them.
This is completely my opinion. I am not saying that
he is guilty of them. This is just my opinion
of seeing these victims come forward. And as a bit
of an empath, I don't feel people's pain. And just,
you know, hearing Cassie talk about it during the trial,
I just feel really heartbroken for her. But we do
have a statement from her as well.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I think something that really
Gives a lot of insight into the fallout that so
many victims who are involved in this case are feeling
right now is a statement that was made from Cassie
around the time of the sentencing, and when she found
out that he wasn't found guilty. She said, I still
have nightmares and flashbacks on a regular basis, and I
continue to acquire psychological care to cope with my past.
(15:46):
And then she wanted to say, and I think this
is really important, my worries that Sean Combs or his
associates will come after me and my family is a reality.
She went on to say then that she and her
family have now moved away from the New York area
as a safety precaution. That's the amount that she's fearing
for her safety and the safety of her loved ones
at the moment. And she went on to say,
I am so scared that if he walks free, his
(16:08):
first actions will be swift retribution towards me and others
who spoke up about his abuse of this trial. As
much progress as I have made in recovering from his abuse,
I remain very much afraid of what he is capable
of and the malice he undoubtedly harbors towards me for
having the bravery to tell the
truth.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, I think that is so key here, and I
think it's a fear of a lot of women and
victims who speak out against powerful men.
It's this fear of retribution, because they do have so
much power. And Diddy has had so much power for decades.
He has been a mainstay in the industry and a powerful,
(16:46):
powerful figure. This is a very real concern, and you
can hear that in her statement. That doesn't surprise me.
I mean, she is not immune from that fig, even
though she is a, a celebrity in her own right.
She is not immune from
The fear of the retribution of someone as powerful as Diddy.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, absolutely. And I think also, like, the important thing is,
is like being across her statement, the statements from other
people that have been involved in this and like continuing
to follow the story from Cassie's point of view, especially
is really important because I feel like when this case
first came out and when Sean Combs was first arrested
and his home was first raided, it became this huge
(17:24):
worldwide situation and people
People were very invested in it because he was a
celebrity who was going through this huge public thing, but
also there was so much interest in which other celebrities
were going to be pulled in. There were all those
theories about tapes with different celebrity behavior that was gonna
come out. People thought there was a big list of
all these big A-list celebrities who were gonna be taken
(17:46):
down the Sean Combs trial. There were all these theories
around who celebrity A was and who celebrity B. And,
and this idea, like,
They're so big, like the world's gonna be shattered when
we find out who they are. And obviously, the trial
progressed in a different way, where a lot of celebrities
were involved and they were called to give statement and testimony,
but no celebrity was involved in a huge way. No
celebrities were taken down by this. And I feel like
(18:09):
once that became apparent that it wasn't going to be
this roasting of celebrities, people dropped off and people lost interest,
and I just, I don't love that because especially like
all these women.
Put their lives on the line and their mental health
and their own safety on the line to tell these stories.
And that's why I think with like, with these statements,
it's really important that they be given the same amount
of airtime as the possibility of like a Jennifer Lopez
(18:30):
being
involved.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I just, I also think like it became a bit
of a joke, like the whole baby thing became this joke.
And I don't think that that is fair to the people.
Who suffered at his hands. I think a lot of
people thought that this would kind of start to become
almost like an Epstein-esque case in the way that it
would start to reveal names of other people. Did you
(18:54):
feel that comparison of like, OK, what does, did he have? Like,
what does he have against all of these different celebrities?
And we thought we were gonna find that.
And it seems like it's been kind of brushed under
a little bit. We might find out more at later dates.
There may be more cases coming against him as time progresses,
but yeah, it does feel like he got off lightly.
(19:14):
It upsets me. I do really feel for Cassie and
her team. You can tell she's quite disappointed in the
verdict and what he has received. Yeah, that's my feelings
on it.
So, the Kardashians have just released the season 7 trailer
for the Kardashians, which is the Disney Plus version of
Keeping Up with the Kardashians, and it is going to
(19:35):
be airing on Disney Plus on October 23rd, which happens
to be my wedding anniversary, Laura Brodney.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What a happy anniversary to you. The Kardashians together. I
feel actually. I love the Kardashians show. I'm not even
gonna lie about it. This is
Speaker 2 (19:47):
the
7th series on the Hulu production.
And we got a couple of like little insights into
what's going on in the Kardashian lives at the moment,
because it does feel like they've been laying low for
a while.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes. So they've done their usual tact of laying low
for quite a while in order for, like, to give
themselves a rest out of the spotlight, but also to
let all these controversies and scandals, or even just questions,
some of it's very positive about their life, and then
all of it comes out on the TV show. And
that
That's the whole thing is like the TV show always
comes out after all of these big things have happened,
(20:19):
but it gets people in, even though these scandals have passed,
it gets people in because it shows a behind the
scenes that answers questions and happened at the time. So
the Kardashians are very good at, like, they watch something unfold,
they think about it, and then they go and film
their response months later. So it's a very curated response.
And I think that's why, like, the trailer starts with
Kim Kardashian going into the
Trial for her Paris robbery. This morning, Kim Kardashian testifying
(20:43):
for the first time in front of the men she
believed were going to kill her. Do you think we
really should walk in there with all the diamonds on?
I want to be who I wanna be. That footage
would have been very deliberately put there because that was
the big criticism at the time, that she went into
that trial dripping in those diamonds.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And these women have such control over every single aspect
of this production, particularly now.
This Hulu version of the Kardashians, that everything is curated
to a T. You're so right. She's done this on purpose.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, I mean, also, that's just what building a media
empire and, and then having a TV show is all about.
But there were some interesting bits in this trailer. One
is that we have a few returning stars from the
old Keeping Up with the Kardashians days. So Robert Kardashian
is seen. He's very famously in the first few seasons
of
Keeping Up with the Kardashians. It was a huge name.
And then after going through a lot of very public
(21:33):
mental health struggles and struggles with his body image, and
all these things, and also like a very public break
from Black China and a custody dispute over their daughter dream,
and all these things, fights with the family has been
pretty much out of the spotlight for many, many, many years,
even to the point where he was on the plane
going to Kim Kardashian's wedding to Kanye West, and then
At the last minute flew back to Los Angeles cause
(21:55):
he was so worried about being in the pictures and
all these things, and he is in this new trailer
and he has not been seen in a TV show
or really at all for years. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (22:03):
so basically, he hasn't been on a Kardashian's show for
8 years, apparently. So we're seeing him back, and my
favorite return is obviously,
The king himself, Scott Disick. I am so excited that
he's back.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, I mean, he takes the, I mean, they've, they've
reduced his role, but he does make a cameo, a
few cameos every season.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I
love Scott Disick so much. Like, I really miss the
days of Scott and Chloe playing pranks on each other. Like,
that is, for me, peak, keeping up with the Kardashians
is Scott Disick, when he was funny, not when he
was like in the full douchebag mode where he was
like putting money in waiters' faces. Not that Scott Disick, like,
Chloe and Scott Disick playing pranks, and when they like,
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Scott and Courtney actually liked each other.
And, you know, her, him like trying to shave her
when she was pregnant. Like, those moments are my favorite
Kardashian moments. So I miss him in the show.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I liked him in old school Kim and the Kardashians.
I don't love when he pops up on the Kardashians now,
only because a lot of them only do filler storylines now.
They won't actually film anything about their lives. So now
when he's on, it's very much this setup where like,
someone's coming to the house to visit him, or Chloe
and Chris are like trying to find him a girlfriend.
All stuff that's like so
I'm like, don't show me a skit. I don't want
(23:20):
to see a skit. I don't want to see a setup.
I just want to see documentary style of like your crazy,
fabulous lives. So I'd be happy for him to be
left out if that's what he's gonna bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I feel like
as well though, because I've been doing it for so long,
it is, it is really like packaged up now. It's
not the same as what it used
to be.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah. Yeah, some of them are. We also have Caitlyn
Jenner returning, which has been a big thing because she
famously had a huge falling out with the Kardashians, which
was separate.
to her divorce from Kris Jenner. They were working through that,
and then Caitlyn Jenner's book came out and a lot
of the Kardashian family thought that she wrote very unfairly
about Kris, that she had lied. And so that was
(23:58):
really the big kind of catalyst for her being kind
of removed from the family. But it looks like she's
in there, like she's in a few of the family scenes,
and Kendall Jenner's like, Well, it makes for good TV.
And I was like, Isn't that the truth? Well, also,
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean, it must be quite sad as Kendall and
Kylie just to basically lose their dad.
And basically have your whole family turning against your dad,
who is still your father, and you still love her.
Like that is, that would be really challenging. But that'll
be interesting because Chris and Caitlin have definitely not had
as much contact for a number of years. So we
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see a little bit of tension there.
And then Kourtney and Khloe are fighting again.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, over the whole like, who's happy, who's got a
better life, all that sort of stuff. Here's my kind
of thoughts on the whole Kardashian thing. As I said,
I'm a fan and I will watch the Kardashians. I
don't hate watch it. I don't watch it, ironically, I
just watch it. Well, I watch it for work, but
I also quite like it. But I think we just
need to all just admit that it is just the
Kim Kardashian show now, not just because she's the most famous,
(24:57):
not just because she's the most popular, because she's the
only one willing to actually show her life on camera.
I think Kylie and Kendall Jenner need to be kicked
to the curb, to the point where last year I
wrote Kylie Jenner's resignation letter for her. I was like,
You don't want to be here. We can see it.
Just send this in and call it a day. And
then Kendall also doesn't want to be there. And it's
(25:18):
so clear that we only ever see them sitting on
a couch together, talking about how they're about to go
out somewhere, and afterwards they're like, we went out together
and it was really fun. And I was like, I
don't find that interesting. You're sisters. I don't find it
weird that you hung out together.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
My heart
take is that it
Should have ended at Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Like, the,
the whole, the new reboot, I just, I haven't been
engaged in it. Like, I miss the old Keeping Up
with the Kardashians. I think they're over it. They don't
want to film anymore. Courtney has completely checked out. Like
her and Travis, I don't know if you noticed that
all of the imagery of her son is all blurred.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Did you wanna show because
Speaker 2 (25:53):
she doesn't
want to show Rocky's face, which I completely respect. I
can 100% believe that celebrities should be more cautious about.
Showing their children on social media. But that's an interesting
move to me. At least
Speaker 1 (26:05):
she's outrightly said, I don't want to do this anymore,
over the years. Like, that's fairly clear, and that's been
the catalyst for a lot of fights between her and Kim,
because Kim, I think, also very rightly says, you want
to take the money, but you don't want to do
the work and be on camera, which is fair enough.
And then you've got Chloe, who's quite, checked out. Even
Kris Jenner is involved in so many, there's been allegations
around her breakup and cheating and her having fights with people.
(26:26):
and mistreatment, all these crazy things. Gamble. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure, no,
he's still there. That man will never leave. He's on
such a golden ticket and like, good on them. It like,
whatever their setup is, it seems to be working, everyone
seems happy. I love the theories that he's some sort
of like a high end kind of fixer who like, no,
not even sport, like a, well, no, no, people do
think that as well, but the big thing is like,
he's like a high-end kind of fixer that Chris has
(26:48):
hooked up with, which I would love. Show me that.
I just think, what do you mean by fixer?
Like, as in like, he'll make problems go away, he'll
make people go away. He'll like, he's like pulling the
strings behind the scenes. Either that or he's just a
toy boy, and I'm fine with either one of those.
I'm like, just show me the story that's happening so
I'm across what's happening. But yeah, what we've seen is,
I know, I don't believe that it should have ended
(27:08):
after keeping up with the Kardashians, because then we would
have missed Courtney's wedding, we would have missed Births of Babies.
I care less about that. Actually, what I care about
is Kim hosting SNL, behind the scenes of the Met Gala.
Behind the scenes of like different campaigns, all these kind
of things like,
Speaker 2 (27:22):
you see that on
their socials. Like, if they didn't have the show, but
if they didn't have the show, would they share it
on socials?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
To a point that I don't want to see just
glamorous photos. I wanna see Kim Kardashian, like her stylist
getting locked on a plane in Rome and then coming
in two days later and then like kind of having
it out over who's gonna pick the dress for the finale.
I wanna see behind the scenes of SNL.
And like, I know that was season one, but like
that was just a, you know, a great moment of
the intensity of that. And then see Kanye rock up
(27:49):
at the last minute with a suitcase with a sex
tape in it. And I want to see, like, her
screaming at her driver because he wrecked her entrance to
the Met Gala and she was bleaching her hair in
the bathroom the night before. Like, you wouldn't capture that
on social.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I know, but it feels so scripted now. Like, I
know it's reality TV that is always scripted, but it
feels now that because they have so much control over it.
We're not getting the reality. We're getting what they think
is the
reality.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, but they had control over keeping up. So like,
to an extent there, they could choose what they showed
and what they didn't show. I just think they need
to just call it a day and just call it
the Kim Kardashian show because she is the only one.
She's the only one who's happy to show a lot
of the mess, a lot of the behind the scenes moments,
not everything, of course, but the others are so strongly
(28:34):
phoning it in.
That I understand like we're not gonna see Kylie Jenner's
custody hearing with her, like, father of her children. And I,
I even kind of get that she's not gonna show
Timothy Chalamet, even though I think that's very unfair to
everyone else who had to show their boyfriend. But I'm like,
just show me something. I know that you're doing interesting things.
I don't want to see you guys going for a
(28:54):
horse ride, picking fruit. All of these crazy things. At
least with Kim Kardashian.
As she's like jumping on flights across the world, and
she's like hearing the news about what's happening with her businesses,
and you even see her interacting with Kanye when she's
like trying to keep the peace, and she's explaining why
she's letting him pick the kids up in a fire
truck and all this sort of stuff. At least you're seeing, like,
she's got the most on the line because she's the
(29:16):
most famous, but she's giving the most, and the rest
of them are phoning it in. I can't stand that
because middle sisters, we have it rough enough and we
shouldn't have to carry the rest of the family.
So the other thing that's interesting in there is that,
as I said, the Kardashians have been laying quite low,
and now they've let a lot of their drama come
out in this episode. One is that where Kim says
that someone close to her put a hit on her.
(29:38):
I got a call from investigators.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Someone
extremely close to me put a
hit out on my life. Everybody's kind of on edge.
I heard
footsteps walking into my room. I am terrified out of
my mind.
I'm happy it's over. That did hook me in. The
Kardashians has had like a hold on my life for
a long time, but so much so that my family
group chat, my cousin's group chat is called Keeping Up
(30:01):
with the cousins. So, like, the Kardashians has had a
large impact on my life, but that particular moment did
actually reel me back in. Who put a hit out
on her? And someone close to her.
That's kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. I feel like this family,
they're involved in much more intense.
dangerous or possibly like earth shattering stuff than we are
ever across in this TV show when we're like watching
them sing a Christmas song or whatever. It did come
out in the last week, around the same time that
the trailer dropped, that Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner have
both filed a defamation lawsuit against Ray J. If you
(30:37):
want to cross Ray J, he was infamous. Yeah, Ray. Yeah.
So him and Kim Kardashian were dating, they're the ones
that she made a sex tape.
With and the sex tape got made public. There's been
a lot of allegations over the years around who was
involved in the distribution, who knew it was being filmed,
and all these things. And Kim Kardashian has talked about
it many, many, many, many times. A lot of people
(30:58):
say it's what made her famous. It didn't. I'll just
go out on a limb and say that. A lot
of people have sex tapes released, not a lot of
people become the most famous woman in the world. We
have seen her sue people before for it. We even
saw a few seasons ago on the Kardashians, where Ray J.
It was, it, it came up that there was more
of a tape, that there was more to the story
to be released, and you see Kanye flying to meet
(31:20):
Ray J and get the rest of the tape and
physically bring it to Kim Kardashian, and she cried, which
is understandable. Ray J came out later and said, that
never happened. It's been a twisted tale.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah.
Defamation lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yes. So Ray J, whose real name is Ray Norwood Jr.
he and Kim Kardashian dated, like in the late 1990s,
and yeah, it was the late.
Sex tape that came out soon after that. So, in
this legal filing that's been obtained by a number of outlets,
it says that Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner are suing
Ray J because they say he has been waging a
(31:53):
war against them for decades. So recently, Ray J said, well,
on a live stream that he was working with prosecutors
on a case about two famous women on a reality
TV series and like inferred it was them. He made
claims that part of this federal
Criminal investigation that he was involved in, that the Kardashians
were basically potentially going to be charged with racketeering claims
(32:14):
and was making all of these other claims about their reputations,
which is what Kim and Kris are now suing him for, um,
saying that he has been exploiting them for over 20
years for a professional game. That is very interesting. Yeah.
And in the live stream, you can hear him say,
If you told me the Kardashians were being charged for racketeering,
I
I would believe it. He was basically saying this big
(32:36):
rumor saying that Chris and Kim were going to be
under investigation for these crimes. OK,
Speaker 2 (32:42):
if P Diddy
can't get, get found guilty for he
brings up,
Speaker 1 (32:45):
he says, it's worse than Diddy in his state when
he's talking about them, he goes, he's like, Believe me,
this is worse than Diddy. All right, mate, settle down.
And so basically they've just like, now Kim Kardashian and
Kris Jenner have basically been like, now we've had enough.
You've been using our name.
For over 20 years, and this is a pretty serious
allegation that you've put out to thousands of people, so
they're suing him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I don't often agree with defamation cases because I think
they're quite frivolous, but this, I can stand behind, because
that is, that's a really, really offensive and huge claim. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (33:16):
yeah, I think it's something Kim Kardashian has been saying
for years is that there's always been these allegations that
she purposely filmed the tape, that she had Ray J
film it a certain way, and that she and Kris
orchestrated its release and they were pocketing money from.
Different people, and they were like, using it to get famous,
but also using it for different kind of claims. There's
all these like wild allegations which have been disputed over
(33:36):
the years. So I think, I think that probably just
was the last straw, that this is like over 20
years later. They saw that pop up, they saw the
rumors start to go again. They just thought, we're taking
you to court.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, I actually agree with that one. It should be
an interesting season. I might actually tune in this time.
The Kardashians season 7 is gonna be on Disney Plus,
October 23rd. Great day.
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(34:06):
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
Bye.
Yeah.
From Mamma Mia, welcome to the spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney, and I'm Ksenya Lukic. And
coming up on the show today, Sean Combs has received
his prison sentence. Some of his victims have come forward
with very passionate and very upsetting impact statements. We're gonna
unpack all of that because we have been following this
case since the moment it started.
(00:37):
Plus, the Kardashians have released a trailer for the new
season of their reality show. It's packed with drama, people
have very divisive thoughts about it. And they've also pulled
a page out of their old game book that they've
been lying low before they've unleashed all these dramas upon
the world. So we're getting into that. But first, something
a bit lighter.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But
first, Paris Fashion.
It has been a celebrity hotspot this year, and, you know,
every year at Fashion Weeks, we get all of our
celebs front row, but there's something about this Paris Fashion
Week that seems like there's a lot of big A-listers. Now,
the one that I want to flag, first of all,
is obviously our recently divorced Nicole Kidman.
(01:21):
Now, she was seen at the Chanel show with her
daughter Sunday and Faith. She's just been announced as the
new ambassador for Chanel, and she shows up looking gorgeous
in this big oversized white shirt, big baggy jeans. It
was very sort of chic, and breakup bangs.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, there was a lot of attention on the breakup bangs.
A lot of people were saying it was her first, like,
big public appearance since she officially filed for divorce from
Keith Urban, but she did go to a charity event
the other day with the creator of Lioness, the TV
show that's now gone to its 2nd season. But obviously,
that was not a huge public event, like going to
Fashion Week. So she walked into the Chanel show with
(02:00):
her daughters, Faith Margaret and Sunday Rose.
And was all smiles in front of the cameras, and again,
had the breakup bangs, which I, I guess that's definitely
what they are. That is the whole thing that after
a breakup, especially is not as huge as that, you
often do feel the urge to do something big to
shake up your appearance.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I do feel like
though for celebrities, it doesn't feel as mind blowing because
they change up their looks so frequently.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I, I feel like if it was like someone who
had the same hairsty.
for decades. Like if Jenn Aniston suddenly had like a
red bob or something like that, because she's had the
same hair for 30 years, I would be like, Well,
that's a breakup haircut. But because Nicole Kidman, she's never
come out and said it, but she does wear wigs
a lot, which a lot of famous women do. She
can't put your hair through the wringer of like, that
(02:44):
much heat styling, and also she's always got wildly different lengths.
So for all we knew, they were clip on bangs.
Chanel clip on bangs, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, she's been blonde,
she's got that strawberry blonde that she always does. I
feel like Jen Ashton did have a red bob in
Horrible Bosses. Yeah, but was that a red bob or
am I imagining things? I feel
like
Speaker 1 (03:03):
maybe in one of the later movies, but in the
first one, I think she had her normal hair. That's
the thing about Jenton not to make Nicole Kidman's break
up about her is that she's always just Jed Aniston
and everything. She always has a nude lip and a
soft contoured cheek and a long
bronde, sleek.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah. I just
had, I had this flash of like a weird bob
in Horrible Boss, but maybe I'm imagining it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I can't remember a lot about that movie.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So she's a model now, as we know. So last year,
she did a debut at Mumu, and then this year
she actually walked in Dior, looking gorgeous. That's why she
was there with her mom, obviously, as, you know, her
mom was the ambassador for Chanel.
And her sister was there. But it seems like a
lot of the attention is around the fact that her
(03:44):
parents are divorcing. So it must be kind of a
weird thing for her to be
doing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, and that's the thing when people say like, oh,
they deliberately announced they were divorce at this time. I mean,
we have no information on that, but I do feel
like that's what also makes me feel like that was
a bit of a leak, because I don't think any
parents would deliberately put that information out to the world
and leak it to try and get headlines when their
daughter's about to have this huge career moment. I think
it's just the fallout of what happens when you're that famous.
(04:09):
But yes, a lot of people were very excited to
see Nicole. She's definitely got like a very loyal fan
base going into this breakup. Like everyone is Team Nicole.
Someone else who a lot of people were talking about
was Meghan Markle. Did you see her there? It's the
first time she's been to Europe in 3 years, and
the first time she's been to Paris Fashion Week. So
Speaker 2 (04:24):
she was
there for the Balenciaga show. I was actually quite surprised
to see her. And when I was looking at the images,
I was like, These feel like they were taken 5
years ago, like, because she's not out very often anymore.
It didn't register that these were recent images.
I don't know why. Because I feel like because Will's
has been in the media so much with that Eugene
Levy doco that he's been doing, and there's been so
(04:47):
much press around that. And I feel like Megan's kind
of taken a little bit of a step back, as
Megan maybe can, just a tiny little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, I guess she did like a bit of a
press blitz for her TV show, and even though it
doesn't been like that long ago, she has been laying
low since then. But yes, she went to the Balenciaga show.
There was a lot of videos of her greeting Anna Wintour.
And Anna Wintour saying that she looked beautiful. And a
lot of people thought that was interesting because there's always
been this rumor that there's a bit of a feud
between them from when Meghan Markle was on the cover
(05:16):
of Vogue in 2022. And the whole story then was like,
she made so many demands, you know, the classic Meghan
Markle story. She made so many demands, she did this,
she did this. Anna Wintour has now chosen a side
against her, and we haven't really seen them interact since then,
which is fair enough because they don't run in exactly
the same circles. And Megan famously has had quite a
bit on the last few years, but they
Embrace very warmly. So, Anna Winto, a lot of people think,
(05:40):
wouldn't do that unless she was bestowing favor on her
because she doesn't go about warmly hugging that many
people.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's interesting to see her at like an actual fashion event,
because obviously, before she got with Harry, she was at
a lot of these press events and Toronto Film Festival
and fashion festivals and all of that stuff. But it's
kind of odd to see her back in the limelight
in this way. It feels really weird to me. I
don't know if it does for you, but it feels odd.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, I mean, what I wanted more of from Meghan
Markle was more of her behind the scenes Instagram stories,
because you can just tell she's, you know, how like
child stars get very stuck at the age they became famous.
I feel like she's stuck in the social media time
of when she got her Instagram and her blog taken
away from her. And so, you, and because she didn't
have Instagram for so long, and the woman loves an
(06:26):
Instagram post with a long caption, so do I, no judgment.
She loves an Instagram.
Story. And so she was taking videos out of the
car as she went and taking like little moments, and
people were kind of calling her tacky or saying that
she didn't have an eye or she was showing off.
And I was like, let the woman take an Instagram
Speaker 2 (06:42):
story. Was she taking her stories horizontally? Is that was
she actually because I think so that's the way you
were holding your hands up for those who are I
Speaker 1 (06:51):
mean I don't know, she's out the car window. There
are a few different angles. Whatever she
I was doing, it wasn't like the way that some
people think you should do an Instagram story.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't, I don't feel like I'm not cool anymore
because I'm a millennial, but like Gen Z is is
that like, not cool to hold your phone up horizontally
when you're taking a story?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, exactly. But also, I just feel like don't try
and be a Gen Z if you're not. That's totally fine. So, yeah,
Meghan Markle got her criticism, but she looks like she
was having a lovely time, so I think she's the
winner at the end of the day. A few other
little celeb interactions, cause
That's what I'm really looking for. I'm not looking for,
I'm personally not gonna wear a trend from Paris Fashion
Week because it doesn't translate to our, like, you know,
normal gal lives here in Australia. But there is a
(07:28):
video of Charlize Theron coming and like warmly hugging a
lot of people at the Dior show. And then she,
you can see Johnny Depp not quite coming in for
a hug, but he definitely comes in salon and she
just turns and walks away. They did star in a
movie together back in
1999, though, the astronaut's wife. So it's, it's quite fair
that Sherize might have completely forgotten that moment ever happened.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I saw the video and it looks like, so she's
doing those perfect French air kisses to Bridgette Macron, the
first lady of France, and, uh, the LVMH CEO. And
she does those really pretty little French kisses and then
kind of ignores Johnny, but I feel like she just
didn't see him cause he kind of sat back from
the both of them.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I also feel like if anyone's gonna not kiss up
to Johnny Depp, because he's been involved with Dior for
so long, and they're one of the brands that have
always kind of stood by him in many different ways.
So like, it's fitting that he would be at that show.
But I feel like from what we know about Charlize
Theron and how she talks, she would be not someone
to be kissing up to him just to save face.
And so maybe she's like, I'm not picking a side,
but I don't even want to be in a photo.
(08:28):
It seems like a statement to hug him and kiss him,
the way I have with everyone else here, so I'm
just gonna turn in.
And walk away. The other person making a statement was
my fave person to see in any public setting at
the moment because she's on a 10 when it comes
to publicity is Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Oh, I thought you were gonna say Emma Watson.
Oh,
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I know,
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I saw Emma,
Speaker 1 (08:45):
but I just saw her kind of just going in
and out of shows looking quite chic. I
Speaker 2 (08:48):
know people were like thinking she was engaged. Didn't you
see there, all the photos with her with her little
ring finger? I think
Speaker 1 (08:53):
she is, I know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
She said that she's completely
Speaker 1 (08:56):
single, so I think she just had a ring on.
But Anne Hathaway walked into the Balenciaga show, graphic t-shirt,
big leather gloves, her like messy hair, her new face,
all done up. Um, she looks gorgeous, but she loves
to sort of like put on a bit of a
show for the PAPs, which I understand because she's a performer,
she's a theater kid at heart. She loves to put
on a show. And she saw Simone Ashley, who was
(09:17):
her co-star in the new Devil Wears Prada movie.
And she yells out to her, Simone Ashley, and it
sounds like she's having a fangirl moment, but then she
runs up to her and embraces her, and she says
to the photographers around them, I recognized her back, that's
how close we are.
And I was like, get it, your friends, your co-stars,
you guys are
cool.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I love that. I actually love Anne Hathaway. I don't
know why people have a problem with her. I just,
I
Speaker 1 (09:39):
mean, I love how she puts on a show, like
the whole, like, she steps out of her car and
she's like, Karma, karma, please step back. There's no need
to panic. There's no need to push. Please step back.
This is calm, this is calm. And then she'll always
like have a little like flirty thing to say to
the photographers, and she struts in.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I thoroughly
Speaker 1 (09:56):
enjoy her she's there to put on a show and
I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I
like it too. So yes, a lot of amazing celebrity
sightings at Paris Fashion Week this year.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So following his trial, which we have been covering extensively
here on the spill, Sean Combs has been sentenced to
50 months in prison. That sentencing happened this past Friday
after his federal sex crime case. So, we did hear
from the judge that Sean Combs could be released in
less than 3 years after receiving credit for the time
he's already spent locked up. So he has been in
(10:26):
that prison, held in custody since September 2024. People would
know that he and his
Legal team did request to let him be out on
bail many times. During that time he was in prison,
it was always denied. A lot of stories came out
about what it was like for him in prison in
terms of it being like a very, not just an
intense security space, but on the lower end of prison stays,
(10:47):
if that makes any sense when you're kind of looking
at where he was living.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And you
can also think about like the way he would have
been received by inmates as well. Like, despite the charges,
I can imagine.
And someone as prolific as him would be welcomed with
more open arms. Yes,
Speaker 1 (11:05):
yes. And so, yeah, there was obviously a huge amount
of coverage, both of the court cases and his life
in prison over the last year. When he went to
the court for the sentencing, he had already sent a
4-page letter to the judge, sort of explaining his remorse,
explaining his thoughts, and just kind of like putting almost
like his final say out to the
Court. And then the actual sentencing, he stood up before
(11:27):
the court and the judge for 10 minutes and made
a statement. And in that statement, which has been made
available for the public to read, he said that he
was deeply sorry for all the hurt and the pain
that he has caused by others. He then went on
to say, speaking about two of the women who testified
in the court case. So we had R&B star Cassandra
(11:48):
Ventura Fine, known as Cassie, more prominently, and also
A woman who was just identified as Jane throughout the
court proceedings. So both those women testified against him, and
in his statement, he offered up an apology to both
of them. So he said publicly, I want to personally
apologize again to Cassie Ventura for any harm or hurt
that I've caused her, emotionally or physically. My actions were disgusting, shameful,
(12:12):
and sick. And then he went on to just offer
up that same apology to Jane and just say that
he understood his wrongdoing.
And that's obviously a huge statement just because both Cassie
and Jane testified during the trial that Sean Combs had
physically abused and controlled them.
And they had both alleged that he had them participate
in these kind of marathon drug fueled sexual encounters, the
(12:33):
freak off with male escorts, so many allegations, which unfortunately,
he was cleared of. It was a prostitution charge that
he ended up being the charges keeping him in prison. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (12:42):
we have covered this case pretty extensively on the spill.
I've watched a bunch of documentaries on Sean Peter D Combs,
and I find this very difficult to accept. And I
think a lot of people are very disappointed in this
particular sentence.
Given the severity of the charges that were laid against him. Now, obviously,
he wasn't convicted of the more serious ones, which is
why his prison sentence will probably be closer to that
(13:04):
4-year mark. He may get out earlier than that, we
don't know. It is really disappointing to me after seeing
a lot of the testimony from the victims and the
people who are alleging these particular crimes of PDD, not
just the ones that he was charged for, but previous
ones that he had been charged for in like the 90s.
And it just, it feels so hollow to me, these
(13:27):
apologies that he's made. Yeah, it just doesn't feel authentic
to me, and it feels like a very, like, he
feels like he's gotten away with
it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, I think a lot of people were really distraught
and dismayed when they heard that he'd been found not
guilty of a number of the bigger charges, specifically when
you had all these women coming forward. And the thing is,
there were hundreds of people who came forward with stories
and their stories couldn't be very
for a number of different reasons. I think that's the
thing to remember is that like, it takes so much
(13:57):
to get a story like this to court and to
get a trial like this. The victims have to have
so much evidence, they have to share so many personal accounts.
They have to have so many stories vetted that the
few people whose stories made it to the trial were
a representation of the hundreds of people that had made
allegations and for technical reasons couldn't be included. And then
you had people like Cassie who were in that courtroom
(14:19):
facing him.
On so many days, and she was very heavily pregnant
at the time, and sharing these horrific tales, and the
fact that it was just one count he was found
guilty of for 4 years with time already served. It's
not nothing. At least he will be in jail for
a few more years. But when you think that people
were thinking that he could have been in there for life,
this does seem like a very hollow.
(14:40):
Kind of ending to this trial.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And
I think the problem is, and I think this is
a really challenging part with a lot of these particular convictions,
particularly of men in power, is that these crimes are
really hard to verify, like you said, and it is
a lot of the time he said, she said, and
the defense team know that. They know that there's a
lot of technicalities that they can get out on. Now, obviously,
(15:03):
he has not been convicted of these things, so he's
not guilty of them.
This is completely my opinion. I am not saying that
he is guilty of them. This is just my opinion
of seeing these victims come forward. And as a bit
of an empath, I don't feel people's pain. And just,
you know, hearing Cassie talk about it during the trial,
I just feel really heartbroken for her. But we do
have a statement from her as well.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I think something that really
Gives a lot of insight into the fallout that so
many victims who are involved in this case are feeling
right now is a statement that was made from Cassie
around the time of the sentencing, and when she found
out that he wasn't found guilty. She said, I still
have nightmares and flashbacks on a regular basis, and I
continue to acquire psychological care to cope with my past.
(15:46):
And then she wanted to say, and I think this
is really important, my worries that Sean Combs or his
associates will come after me and my family is a reality.
She went on to say then that she and her
family have now moved away from the New York area
as a safety precaution. That's the amount that she's fearing
for her safety and the safety of her loved ones
at the moment. And she went on to say,
I am so scared that if he walks free, his
(16:08):
first actions will be swift retribution towards me and others
who spoke up about his abuse of this trial. As
much progress as I have made in recovering from his abuse,
I remain very much afraid of what he is capable
of and the malice he undoubtedly harbors towards me for
having the bravery to tell the
truth.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, I think that is so key here, and I
think it's a fear of a lot of women and
victims who speak out against powerful men.
It's this fear of retribution, because they do have so
much power. And Diddy has had so much power for decades.
He has been a mainstay in the industry and a powerful,
(16:46):
powerful figure. This is a very real concern, and you
can hear that in her statement. That doesn't surprise me.
I mean, she is not immune from that fig, even
though she is a, a celebrity in her own right.
She is not immune from
The fear of the retribution of someone as powerful as Diddy.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, absolutely. And I think also, like, the important thing is,
is like being across her statement, the statements from other
people that have been involved in this and like continuing
to follow the story from Cassie's point of view, especially
is really important because I feel like when this case
first came out and when Sean Combs was first arrested
and his home was first raided, it became this huge
(17:24):
worldwide situation and people
People were very invested in it because he was a
celebrity who was going through this huge public thing, but
also there was so much interest in which other celebrities
were going to be pulled in. There were all those
theories about tapes with different celebrity behavior that was gonna
come out. People thought there was a big list of
all these big A-list celebrities who were gonna be taken
(17:46):
down the Sean Combs trial. There were all these theories
around who celebrity A was and who celebrity B. And,
and this idea, like,
They're so big, like the world's gonna be shattered when
we find out who they are. And obviously, the trial
progressed in a different way, where a lot of celebrities
were involved and they were called to give statement and testimony,
but no celebrity was involved in a huge way. No
celebrities were taken down by this. And I feel like
(18:09):
once that became apparent that it wasn't going to be
this roasting of celebrities, people dropped off and people lost interest,
and I just, I don't love that because especially like
all these women.
Put their lives on the line and their mental health
and their own safety on the line to tell these stories.
And that's why I think with like, with these statements,
it's really important that they be given the same amount
of airtime as the possibility of like a Jennifer Lopez
(18:30):
being
involved.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I just, I also think like it became a bit
of a joke, like the whole baby thing became this joke.
And I don't think that that is fair to the people.
Who suffered at his hands. I think a lot of
people thought that this would kind of start to become
almost like an Epstein-esque case in the way that it
would start to reveal names of other people. Did you
(18:54):
feel that comparison of like, OK, what does, did he have? Like,
what does he have against all of these different celebrities?
And we thought we were gonna find that.
And it seems like it's been kind of brushed under
a little bit. We might find out more at later dates.
There may be more cases coming against him as time progresses,
but yeah, it does feel like he got off lightly.
(19:14):
It upsets me. I do really feel for Cassie and
her team. You can tell she's quite disappointed in the
verdict and what he has received. Yeah, that's my feelings
on it.
So, the Kardashians have just released the season 7 trailer
for the Kardashians, which is the Disney Plus version of
Keeping Up with the Kardashians, and it is going to
(19:35):
be airing on Disney Plus on October 23rd, which happens
to be my wedding anniversary, Laura Brodney.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What a happy anniversary to you. The Kardashians together. I
feel actually. I love the Kardashians show. I'm not even
gonna lie about it. This is
Speaker 2 (19:47):
the
7th series on the Hulu production.
And we got a couple of like little insights into
what's going on in the Kardashian lives at the moment,
because it does feel like they've been laying low for
a while.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes. So they've done their usual tact of laying low
for quite a while in order for, like, to give
themselves a rest out of the spotlight, but also to
let all these controversies and scandals, or even just questions,
some of it's very positive about their life, and then
all of it comes out on the TV show. And
that
That's the whole thing is like the TV show always
comes out after all of these big things have happened,
(20:19):
but it gets people in, even though these scandals have passed,
it gets people in because it shows a behind the
scenes that answers questions and happened at the time. So
the Kardashians are very good at, like, they watch something unfold,
they think about it, and then they go and film
their response months later. So it's a very curated response.
And I think that's why, like, the trailer starts with
Kim Kardashian going into the
Trial for her Paris robbery. This morning, Kim Kardashian testifying
(20:43):
for the first time in front of the men she
believed were going to kill her. Do you think we
really should walk in there with all the diamonds on?
I want to be who I wanna be. That footage
would have been very deliberately put there because that was
the big criticism at the time, that she went into
that trial dripping in those diamonds.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And these women have such control over every single aspect
of this production, particularly now.
This Hulu version of the Kardashians, that everything is curated
to a T. You're so right. She's done this on purpose.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, I mean, also, that's just what building a media
empire and, and then having a TV show is all about.
But there were some interesting bits in this trailer. One
is that we have a few returning stars from the
old Keeping Up with the Kardashians days. So Robert Kardashian
is seen. He's very famously in the first few seasons
of
Keeping Up with the Kardashians. It was a huge name.
And then after going through a lot of very public
(21:33):
mental health struggles and struggles with his body image, and
all these things, and also like a very public break
from Black China and a custody dispute over their daughter dream,
and all these things, fights with the family has been
pretty much out of the spotlight for many, many, many years,
even to the point where he was on the plane
going to Kim Kardashian's wedding to Kanye West, and then
At the last minute flew back to Los Angeles cause
(21:55):
he was so worried about being in the pictures and
all these things, and he is in this new trailer
and he has not been seen in a TV show
or really at all for years. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (22:03):
so basically, he hasn't been on a Kardashian's show for
8 years, apparently. So we're seeing him back, and my
favorite return is obviously,
The king himself, Scott Disick. I am so excited that
he's back.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, I mean, he takes the, I mean, they've, they've
reduced his role, but he does make a cameo, a
few cameos every season.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I
love Scott Disick so much. Like, I really miss the
days of Scott and Chloe playing pranks on each other. Like,
that is, for me, peak, keeping up with the Kardashians
is Scott Disick, when he was funny, not when he
was like in the full douchebag mode where he was
like putting money in waiters' faces. Not that Scott Disick, like,
Chloe and Scott Disick playing pranks, and when they like,
(22:46):
Scott and Courtney actually liked each other.
And, you know, her, him like trying to shave her
when she was pregnant. Like, those moments are my favorite
Kardashian moments. So I miss him in the show.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I liked him in old school Kim and the Kardashians.
I don't love when he pops up on the Kardashians now,
only because a lot of them only do filler storylines now.
They won't actually film anything about their lives. So now
when he's on, it's very much this setup where like,
someone's coming to the house to visit him, or Chloe
and Chris are like trying to find him a girlfriend.
All stuff that's like so
I'm like, don't show me a skit. I don't want
(23:20):
to see a skit. I don't want to see a setup.
I just want to see documentary style of like your crazy,
fabulous lives. So I'd be happy for him to be
left out if that's what he's gonna bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I feel like
as well though, because I've been doing it for so long,
it is, it is really like packaged up now. It's
not the same as what it used
to be.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah. Yeah, some of them are. We also have Caitlyn
Jenner returning, which has been a big thing because she
famously had a huge falling out with the Kardashians, which
was separate.
to her divorce from Kris Jenner. They were working through that,
and then Caitlyn Jenner's book came out and a lot
of the Kardashian family thought that she wrote very unfairly
about Kris, that she had lied. And so that was
(23:58):
really the big kind of catalyst for her being kind
of removed from the family. But it looks like she's
in there, like she's in a few of the family scenes,
and Kendall Jenner's like, Well, it makes for good TV.
And I was like, Isn't that the truth? Well, also,
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean, it must be quite sad as Kendall and
Kylie just to basically lose their dad.
And basically have your whole family turning against your dad,
who is still your father, and you still love her.
Like that is, that would be really challenging. But that'll
be interesting because Chris and Caitlin have definitely not had
as much contact for a number of years. So we
(24:31):
see a little bit of tension there.
And then Kourtney and Khloe are fighting again.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, over the whole like, who's happy, who's got a
better life, all that sort of stuff. Here's my kind
of thoughts on the whole Kardashian thing. As I said,
I'm a fan and I will watch the Kardashians. I
don't hate watch it. I don't watch it, ironically, I
just watch it. Well, I watch it for work, but
I also quite like it. But I think we just
need to all just admit that it is just the
Kim Kardashian show now, not just because she's the most famous,
(24:57):
not just because she's the most popular, because she's the
only one willing to actually show her life on camera.
I think Kylie and Kendall Jenner need to be kicked
to the curb, to the point where last year I
wrote Kylie Jenner's resignation letter for her. I was like,
You don't want to be here. We can see it.
Just send this in and call it a day. And
then Kendall also doesn't want to be there. And it's
(25:18):
so clear that we only ever see them sitting on
a couch together, talking about how they're about to go
out somewhere, and afterwards they're like, we went out together
and it was really fun. And I was like, I
don't find that interesting. You're sisters. I don't find it
weird that you hung out together.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
My heart
take is that it
Should have ended at Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Like, the,
the whole, the new reboot, I just, I haven't been
engaged in it. Like, I miss the old Keeping Up
with the Kardashians. I think they're over it. They don't
want to film anymore. Courtney has completely checked out. Like
her and Travis, I don't know if you noticed that
all of the imagery of her son is all blurred.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Did you wanna show because
Speaker 2 (25:53):
she doesn't
want to show Rocky's face, which I completely respect. I
can 100% believe that celebrities should be more cautious about.
Showing their children on social media. But that's an interesting
move to me. At least
Speaker 1 (26:05):
she's outrightly said, I don't want to do this anymore,
over the years. Like, that's fairly clear, and that's been
the catalyst for a lot of fights between her and Kim,
because Kim, I think, also very rightly says, you want
to take the money, but you don't want to do
the work and be on camera, which is fair enough.
And then you've got Chloe, who's quite, checked out. Even
Kris Jenner is involved in so many, there's been allegations
around her breakup and cheating and her having fights with people.
(26:26):
and mistreatment, all these crazy things. Gamble. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure, no,
he's still there. That man will never leave. He's on
such a golden ticket and like, good on them. It like,
whatever their setup is, it seems to be working, everyone
seems happy. I love the theories that he's some sort
of like a high end kind of fixer who like, no,
not even sport, like a, well, no, no, people do
think that as well, but the big thing is like,
he's like a high-end kind of fixer that Chris has
(26:48):
hooked up with, which I would love. Show me that.
I just think, what do you mean by fixer?
Like, as in like, he'll make problems go away, he'll
make people go away. He'll like, he's like pulling the
strings behind the scenes. Either that or he's just a
toy boy, and I'm fine with either one of those.
I'm like, just show me the story that's happening so
I'm across what's happening. But yeah, what we've seen is,
I know, I don't believe that it should have ended
(27:08):
after keeping up with the Kardashians, because then we would
have missed Courtney's wedding, we would have missed Births of Babies.
I care less about that. Actually, what I care about
is Kim hosting SNL, behind the scenes of the Met Gala.
Behind the scenes of like different campaigns, all these kind
of things like,
Speaker 2 (27:22):
you see that on
their socials. Like, if they didn't have the show, but
if they didn't have the show, would they share it
on socials?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
To a point that I don't want to see just
glamorous photos. I wanna see Kim Kardashian, like her stylist
getting locked on a plane in Rome and then coming
in two days later and then like kind of having
it out over who's gonna pick the dress for the finale.
I wanna see behind the scenes of SNL.
And like, I know that was season one, but like
that was just a, you know, a great moment of
the intensity of that. And then see Kanye rock up
(27:49):
at the last minute with a suitcase with a sex
tape in it. And I want to see, like, her
screaming at her driver because he wrecked her entrance to
the Met Gala and she was bleaching her hair in
the bathroom the night before. Like, you wouldn't capture that
on social.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I know, but it feels so scripted now. Like, I
know it's reality TV that is always scripted, but it
feels now that because they have so much control over it.
We're not getting the reality. We're getting what they think
is the
reality.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, but they had control over keeping up. So like,
to an extent there, they could choose what they showed
and what they didn't show. I just think they need
to just call it a day and just call it
the Kim Kardashian show because she is the only one.
She's the only one who's happy to show a lot
of the mess, a lot of the behind the scenes moments,
not everything, of course, but the others are so strongly
(28:34):
phoning it in.
That I understand like we're not gonna see Kylie Jenner's
custody hearing with her, like, father of her children. And I,
I even kind of get that she's not gonna show
Timothy Chalamet, even though I think that's very unfair to
everyone else who had to show their boyfriend. But I'm like,
just show me something. I know that you're doing interesting things.
I don't want to see you guys going for a
(28:54):
horse ride, picking fruit. All of these crazy things. At
least with Kim Kardashian.
As she's like jumping on flights across the world, and
she's like hearing the news about what's happening with her businesses,
and you even see her interacting with Kanye when she's
like trying to keep the peace, and she's explaining why
she's letting him pick the kids up in a fire
truck and all this sort of stuff. At least you're seeing, like,
she's got the most on the line because she's the
(29:16):
most famous, but she's giving the most, and the rest
of them are phoning it in. I can't stand that
because middle sisters, we have it rough enough and we
shouldn't have to carry the rest of the family.
So the other thing that's interesting in there is that,
as I said, the Kardashians have been laying quite low,
and now they've let a lot of their drama come
out in this episode. One is that where Kim says
that someone close to her put a hit on her.
(29:38):
I got a call from investigators.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Someone
extremely close to me put a
hit out on my life. Everybody's kind of on edge.
I heard
footsteps walking into my room. I am terrified out of
my mind.
I'm happy it's over. That did hook me in. The
Kardashians has had like a hold on my life for
a long time, but so much so that my family
group chat, my cousin's group chat is called Keeping Up
(30:01):
with the cousins. So, like, the Kardashians has had a
large impact on my life, but that particular moment did
actually reel me back in. Who put a hit out
on her? And someone close to her.
That's kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. I feel like this family,
they're involved in much more intense.
dangerous or possibly like earth shattering stuff than we are
ever across in this TV show when we're like watching
them sing a Christmas song or whatever. It did come
out in the last week, around the same time that
the trailer dropped, that Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner have
both filed a defamation lawsuit against Ray J. If you
(30:37):
want to cross Ray J, he was infamous. Yeah, Ray. Yeah.
So him and Kim Kardashian were dating, they're the ones
that she made a sex tape.
With and the sex tape got made public. There's been
a lot of allegations over the years around who was
involved in the distribution, who knew it was being filmed,
and all these things. And Kim Kardashian has talked about
it many, many, many, many times. A lot of people
(30:58):
say it's what made her famous. It didn't. I'll just
go out on a limb and say that. A lot
of people have sex tapes released, not a lot of
people become the most famous woman in the world. We
have seen her sue people before for it. We even
saw a few seasons ago on the Kardashians, where Ray J.
It was, it, it came up that there was more
of a tape, that there was more to the story
to be released, and you see Kanye flying to meet
(31:20):
Ray J and get the rest of the tape and
physically bring it to Kim Kardashian, and she cried, which
is understandable. Ray J came out later and said, that
never happened. It's been a twisted tale.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah.
Defamation lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yes. So Ray J, whose real name is Ray Norwood Jr.
he and Kim Kardashian dated, like in the late 1990s,
and yeah, it was the late.
Sex tape that came out soon after that. So, in
this legal filing that's been obtained by a number of outlets,
it says that Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner are suing
Ray J because they say he has been waging a
(31:53):
war against them for decades. So recently, Ray J said, well,
on a live stream that he was working with prosecutors
on a case about two famous women on a reality
TV series and like inferred it was them. He made
claims that part of this federal
Criminal investigation that he was involved in, that the Kardashians
were basically potentially going to be charged with racketeering claims
(32:14):
and was making all of these other claims about their reputations,
which is what Kim and Kris are now suing him for, um,
saying that he has been exploiting them for over 20
years for a professional game. That is very interesting. Yeah.
And in the live stream, you can hear him say,
If you told me the Kardashians were being charged for racketeering,
I
I would believe it. He was basically saying this big
(32:36):
rumor saying that Chris and Kim were going to be
under investigation for these crimes. OK,
Speaker 2 (32:42):
if P Diddy
can't get, get found guilty for he
brings up,
Speaker 1 (32:45):
he says, it's worse than Diddy in his state when
he's talking about them, he goes, he's like, Believe me,
this is worse than Diddy. All right, mate, settle down.
And so basically they've just like, now Kim Kardashian and
Kris Jenner have basically been like, now we've had enough.
You've been using our name.
For over 20 years, and this is a pretty serious
allegation that you've put out to thousands of people, so
they're suing him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I don't often agree with defamation cases because I think
they're quite frivolous, but this, I can stand behind, because
that is, that's a really, really offensive and huge claim. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (33:16):
yeah, I think it's something Kim Kardashian has been saying
for years is that there's always been these allegations that
she purposely filmed the tape, that she had Ray J
film it a certain way, and that she and Kris
orchestrated its release and they were pocketing money from.
Different people, and they were like, using it to get famous,
but also using it for different kind of claims. There's
all these like wild allegations which have been disputed over
(33:36):
the years. So I think, I think that probably just
was the last straw, that this is like over 20
years later. They saw that pop up, they saw the
rumors start to go again. They just thought, we're taking
you to court.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, I actually agree with that one. It should be
an interesting season. I might actually tune in this time.
The Kardashians season 7 is gonna be on Disney Plus,
October 23rd. Great day.
Thank you so much for listening to the spill today, guys.
Don't forget to follow us on TikTok and Instagram. We've
got lots of fun stuff on there for you. We
will see you back here tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m.
(34:06):
for morning tea, and then back in your podcast feed
at 3 p.m. for the spill. The spill is produced
by Manisha Iswaren with sound production by Scott Stronk. Bye.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Bye.
Yeah.
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