September 8, 2025 • 30 mins
Today we're unpacking the VMAs red carpet looks from Doja Cat’s lipstick-eating to Sabrina Carpenter’s throwback Valentino glam.
Then, Marvel fans are spiralling after Chris Evans rocked a red carpet looking suspiciously like Captain America again. Has he secretly been bulking up for Avengers: Doomsday? We trace the timeline and unpack the rumours.
Plus, Kate Middleton’s hair has become the internet’s favourite new favourite thing to talk about but has the commentary revealed a dark reality about how we treat women in the public eye?
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassem Milo Kitch And.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Coming up on the show today, Chris Evans has been
trying to hide a big movie role from us, but
we are onto him. That man cannot lie. Plus a
photo of Kate Middleton or Princess Catherine as she is
known now cause absolute uproar over the weekend, and we're
going to get into that. But first, the VMA's the
Video Music Awards are happening as we speak. The Red
(00:52):
Carpet is in full swing as a record and because
of that, we've got Mamma MIA's pop culture and social
editor Tina Burke here. Because you're always lurking around all
the corners of the Internet seeing what's going on at
events like this, So you're our eyes on the ground.
Without being on the ground, you're our eyes on the Internet.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yes, I love to be on the dot com checking
out getty images, dot com, dot au.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You just have that you have that saved. It is
the first thing, the.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
First thing I see in the morning, and then I
open up all my apps and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What next, Well, don't give weigh all your secrets. Especially,
I was hoping it'd be something more than looking Getty images.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
But fifteen browsers open every major US publication. I'm checking
them NonStop. But yes, the VMA is today very exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I feel like the VMS is one of the red
carpets where it's like you get the craziest looks, Like
I'm talking like way back where Little Kim was wearing
pasties and that just like broke before the Internet. It's
always been a red carpet where people kind of a
little loose.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah right, like the Lady Gargo iconic meatress. It's had
some of the big moments, and even the stars who
don't really dress crazy, usually that's their moment to like
step it up.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yes, which I love because, as we've said, everyone's getting
a little bit samey on some of the big red
carpets because they're so worried about putting a foot roll.
Everyone's using the same stylist, everyone's doing old Hollywood drag.
They all look the same. So at least the VMEs
we see some differ things. So who are the big
stars who were there and who didn't turn up? Who
do we hate?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Oh? I mean, hey, such a strong word. I'm like, God, Laura.
The VMAs can either be like the most star studded
day on the planet and like everyone's there, like Beyonce, everyone,
Taylor whoever. And then sometimes the VMAs is like, you know,
four people and the rest they're for the youths, and
that's okay, ok but hey where for the youth to
We love the youths. Look, I'm on TikTok. I know
(02:36):
who's cool. But some of the big ones today are
Sabrina Carpenter, Doja cat Ariana Grande looking very chic.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And then Lady Gaga wasn't there? She was there? Oh
she's there now she's on a plane. So those were
the big stars.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Of the day.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Okay, so we'll get into that.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But people thought Taylor Swift was going up until the
last minute, right, and then a statement came out that
she was not going to be there just in case
fans were getting just too impatient.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And I do respect her decision to not go.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It makes me very sad, but I know that I'm
getting an album in like t minus twenty days.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I can't count.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Would she go if she wasn't nominated because.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
She played for Artist of the Year, which I thought
she would have won.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, I think obviously she picked up massively last year,
like she won so many awards. Any year she's in
like an album release cycle, that's the year she tends
to win. She goes whenever she wins, and then like
because they obviously are like, you're gonna win, come along.
But the thing they've done the last few times she's
gone is they've literally had a Taylor cam. They've had
a camera that has followed her every move, Like she
gets up to go to the bathroom, she talks to someone.
(03:34):
Then there's lip readers. They watch her every mover she
dances and gets drunk and drunker because she loves to
have a boogear that. It is my favorite part of
the show, My favorite part. But I wouldn't go if
there was a tailor cam on me twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, especially if.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
She's not nominated for all the big awards. She's out
of that album release cycle. So she could also be
accused of taking the spotlight away from everyone else. Yeah,
she disappeared mid ceremony last year and like they almost
they almost called the police. We were like, what happened
to our diva? And she was probably just backstage.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But yeah, it's there's all eyes on Taylor when she
goes anywhere. And I think I think, as we saw
her the Grammys this year, like sometimes she plays in
and she's like, fine, I'm gonna have a great time,
but sometimes people really hate her for it. And right
now she's gearing up for an album to come out.
I just think she's like, whatever, I'll have my fun
next year.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So fair well we can talk about then my favorite
Sabrana Carpenter.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
She looks so good.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It's very Jessica Rabbit with the red and the purple.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It's very like that sort of leaning into that sort
of fifties Hollywood glam with the feather boa and the
really tight red dre. I mean, I'm loving her at
the moment. I think I'm a brand new Sabrina Carpenter Stan.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, and hopefully her performance will be like the biggest one.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, she's the big star of the night right
with her album release and her show. Yeah, I was
really interested to see what she would wear because the
whole kind of naked dress thing, which she doesn't do
that much, but that's so over now, like people will
just like it's just the more skin you show, the
more kind of tired it feels. But then everyone's doing
that really old Hollywood over the top, so it almost
looks like not like drag, but like they're in a costume.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And that's always been her look.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
She always does, like the huge hair, the huge makeup,
like she looks like a tiny escaped beauty pageant contestant
the time. And it was like, how do you make
that look fresh when you do that all the time?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So yeah, had a sheer element.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, I guess the red lace was that because she
usually goes like a creem or a white or a neutral.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
She does love like a very light pastel color.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yes, yes, yeah, so it's a bit more bombshell for me,
Ariana Grande, I love you dearly, Ari.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
But she's still in her wicked era.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So yeah, because the new movie is coming and.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He's coming out, so like she's still doing those like
she's doing like it's like a black and pink perkodile
there's a penbler element. But she was styled by Law Roach,
so she's gone back to Law famously, the man who
styles Indre. So she's looking very wicked era Ariana Grande.
But she's having the time of her.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Life so far. She wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, she was having a great time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
She was living next to Lady Gaga when Gaga won her,
and they just looked like they were having a blast.
And they really looked like complete opposites because Gaga was
in like this full black Yeah, full Gaga, Yeah, walking
with Laura Roach.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
The man who said he was retiring from being a style,
a celebrity stylist uproar across the world, and who has
not retired at all from being a celebrity styles because
he styles Ariana, he styles zandeas soon. What he meant,
I think was that he was stepping away from that
being his only kind of thing that people knew him from,
because now he's doing like the TV hosting and everything else.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, And I think he was like, I'm stepping away
from certain celebrities who want to work with me, and
I'm in a cherry pick who I.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Want to work Yeah, which I do love that man
he just says whatever he wants. But yeah, Arian Grande
in like all the current trends, polka dots and a
peplum and it, and there's like a bubble element to
the pe trend on that tiny girl.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Love her.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And then you know one of my favorites, Doja Cat
Like She's in this Balmain gown. She has a big
bejewelled lipstick purse, and then she pulled out a lipstick
and took a bite on the red carpet of the lipstick.
I'm like, great, We've gone better in this lipstick world.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It was very like eighties.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Is this outfit like bauma, like a you know suit
kind of almost chanelly, tweety look, big hair and the
lipstick it I am questioning if she spat that out
I'll swallow it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think it was an edible lipstick from what I saw,
because she ate it and swallowed it. So it's like
it was like a candy in the lipstick and that
was her, you know, like on the right part of it,
like you have some little shtick, that's your moment. It
might even think of those studies that have been done
that every woman in her lifetime eats five lipsticks because
the amount you put on your mouth and then and
when you like rub it in that you consume it.
And I'm like, she's just getting getting a head.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So you would consume so just basically throws your cat.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I have a constant lip liquor. I'm always like, Okay,
this sounds gress, but yeah, I feel like I would
be in your camp as well.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, she's just getting a head start on that. She's
taking it. That's actually quite demurr of her.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like usually thought, I thought the carpet was less stunty
this year.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It was, Yeah, for sure, except for my favorite, which
is Hacks and Too Much star me. So I was
about to say yes, yes, who showed up in I
don't even understand the ensemble, but she had a dazzled
dunk and donut and she was wearing like a white
paper crown and then a white dress with like a
corset and like a circle skirt that wasn't attached to
her body.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But the character that so Meg Stetler, if anyone doesn't know,
is a breakout stuff from Hacks but also the star.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Of Too Much.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So when she was on the Too Much Press tour,
she would go on the press tour as a character,
but her character was an actress on a press tour.
So she'd come out with these like long blonde wigs
and these like little outfits, and she'd like flirt with
the hosts and be like, oh my god, you asked
about my movie, Like, oh my god, I didn't know
I was wearing such a tiny outfit. My bad. Like
she did all these little things, like little send ups
of what actresses do. And I think the Duncan thing
(08:47):
is because everyone's obsessed with those little bejeweled coke bags
at the moment, everyone's carrying those thing to be holding,
and so she went the Duncan way.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's like her and Ben Affleck flying the Duncan.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Fla very beta she's did you talk about how she
was gonna sing? Yeah, And I hope she was like
sometime I'm so nervous about performing tonight. Can I plase
mention my favorite?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
What's your favorite? Ricky Martin? He looks good.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh my god, he looks so good. It was so funny.
We were in the office earlier talking about all the
red carpet arrivals and he's wearing this very low cut
shirt and some of the girls were like, was he
always gay? And I was like, you don't remember the
whole coming out of Ricky Martin And I was like,
you don't remember that Ricky Martin was like every girl's
heart throb and they were all like no, and I
was like, damn, I'm old.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And he still got it. He does still look good.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It looks amazing and I loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And we touched on this quickly before we wrap this moment.
The Lady Gaga thing. She wasn't supposed to be there, right,
and then she was supposed to be there, and then
she pre recorded something, but then she appeared, but then
she disappeared.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
What is that woman doing?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So there were conflicting reports because she has her Mayhem
Ball currently her tool going on and has a show
tonight at Madison Square Garden. So she'd recorded her performance
from Madison Square Garden and they're going to air that,
so it's a live performance but pre recorded. That's the
deal with that. Then she wasn't on the red carpet,
so all the reports come out she's not coming, and
then next minute she's sitting next to Ariana Grande in
the crowd in this massive black feathery ensemble. Then she
(10:12):
gets up, she does her speech, she wins Artists of
the Year, and then she's like gotta go.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah he's guys, I got a contry thing. They would
have told her, hey, you're actually gonna win. And so
the power of play Gaga that they moved her to
the front and she would have walked off that stage,
straight out the door and into her.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Can imagine the process of her getting ready would have
taken longer than she was actually at the award show
because that ensemble was full Princess of darkness light.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But the photos they live forever. So all of our
VMA coverage is on the spill Instagram and the spell TikTok.
We put up all the videos, all the biggest moments
from the ceremony.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
So go there to see all the crazy outfits.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So, Tina, we are going to keep you here for
one more segment because this has been flagged by you,
this particular story, and it is Chris Evans and his
supposed return to the Marvel Universe. Now, he was spotted
at TIFF, which is the Toronto International Film Festival, for
his new movie Sacrifice and Hot damn did he look great?
(11:10):
He was buffers hell.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
He looks so beautiful in that tight, tightight T.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Shirt, very tight T shirt. He's like nerdy glasses and
looking very cute. But I was doing a bit of
a timeline look for you because the speculation is he's
going to return to Avengers Doomsday, which is premiering next year.
But his last performance as an Avenger was in Endgame,
(11:34):
where he kind of returns back to the past, he
returns the Infinity Stones, and that was kind of supposed
to be the end of his story. There's been constant speculation.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yes, I'm here to spread a rumor today and I'm
excited about it. Chris Evans made a big to do
about I'm done. He was like, maybe one day, but
I'm done. My time has passed. I'm moving on from Marvel.
That's his deal, and we're not happy, but it's fine.
So he went away from Marvel and he was like, oh, okay,
I'm going to go do other things. And then he
weirdly made an appearance in Ryan Royolds movie. Yeah but
(12:06):
that Fantastic Four character, and it was fun and it
was a brief CAMI and we were all like, okay, sure,
but my man, Chris Evans was recently as we loved Immterialists.
Not everybody loved that movie, we loved it. So on
the press tour for Materialists, which is like May June,
he was giving us a look that was more like
nineties renovation hosteh than Marvel Superhero. He was wearing a
(12:29):
lot of plaid, he looked a bit more slinky, he
had a beard.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
He looked great.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Then his film Honey Don't went on the press tour,
which is another movie that we're all excited about starring
Aubrey Plaza and.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Margaret Quali, and he was nowhere to be seen for
this press tour.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And what was his excuse? Tina bag So.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
He didn't go to the can Film Festival for the
first premiere. It was his mum's birthday. He couldn't make it.
But that was in May.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
He's used that mum excuse before. How many birthdays does this?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
When we get I do I believe this excuse?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So he is a mummer's boy famously. And the reports
were around there like, oh, Chris Evans is at his
mum's birthday.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
How sweets that?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
But then we get to the rest of the press cycle, right,
they're doing the junkets. There's more screenings, they're doing interviews
and he is nowhere to be seen filming around the
same time as that is Avengers Doomsday. Now, if you
don't know Avengers Doomsday, there are nearly nearly thirty returning
stars from Marvel coming into this, so it's like Florence Pugh,
Pedro Pascal, James Marston, but also a lot of the
(13:23):
og is like Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston and of course
his too, Chris Evans. Two besties Anthony Mackie and Sebastian
stan are also returning.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, so Anthony Mackie is the new Captain America. Yeah,
so it's like, is Chris Evans going to be coming
back in Becoming America? But because this whole Avengers Doom
today is like starting a new timeline, because we've got
Robert Downey Jr. As Dr Doom and so he's not
iron Man anymore. This is a whole new universe, so
(13:52):
potentially he could come back in as anything.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, so pretty much Originally he was like asked about
it in June and he goes, it's sad not to
be back with the band, but I'm sure they're doing
something incredible, and he keeps playing this that like he's
not involved, he's denying it, He's vehemently denying it. Then
we find out that Captain America's wife, which Peggy Carter
played by Hailey at Well, has allegedly been filming in
August on the set Piction, on the set of Avengers Doomsday,
(14:17):
and this kind of makes everyone go, maybe Chris is
coming back. And then when he arrives at tiff on
the weekend and we see that man bulked up and beardless,
he has shaved his beard. People, he's put the cap,
he has put the cap look back on. He is
looking phenomenal. And I have to say I was watching
the tweets, I was watching the videos I on this
and my favorite one is someone who was like I
(14:39):
was sitting very close to him in the front row.
And Chris Evans is absolutely back for Doomsday or Secret
Wars because he was jacked in real life, like shockingly
so people around me and the audience were gagged.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And he always says he only does that, as every
actor says, he only does that for those roles because
it's uncatainable to live like that. And we also know
that Cap and Peggy's kids are going to be in
this y is the room on the streets, So even
if he's not fully back in the full timeline or
the merging timeline anything like that, it could be a flashback.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
To their life which we never saw. Yeah, I I
hate it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I feel like Marvel has really gone off the rails.
I love it because I quite love an Evente's movie,
but it's all of these new universes and like alternates
and all of that is very confusing for my small
little brain.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, okay, and I.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Really loved Thunderbolts this year, which kind of brought us
back to like, oh, superhero saving people. Like, yeah, it
was that bit smaller, you didn't need to know the
context of everything. But Doomsday is going to be bringing
together Avengers. Thunderbolts were Kandon's Fantastic Four, and The X Men.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, so also with the X Men, they're recasting basically
everyone apart from Professor X and Magneto, which is famously
Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen as Magneto, who were like
the Ogs, which they didn't recast. So's I'm very confused.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, in all the little end scenes, it explains how
like the different timelines emerging and everything. Ye yeah, I
just like I understand what they're doing, and I understand
that Marvel was faltering in this new phase.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But I'm a little disappointed. And Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I know he's doing it for the money, and I
know he's doing it because the Russo Brothers put in
an emergency to him and was like, we need you.
But him coming back as stop goodoom, I don't love.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I don't feel like a.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Bit cheap and gimmicky, and it's like, you've got to
back your new cast.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And yeah, Chris Evens, I don't hate.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I just feel like this is too many people. No, no,
I want to see that now. I just want my
original I'm so I'm an old school I just want
all my original Avengers back on screen together. But I
know that's not gonna happen. I don't mind seeing a
glimpse of his life with Peggy or I don't mind
like him and Sam having a moment in him and
Bucky having a moment. But if he comes back in
some alternate timeline, he comes back as a villain, he
(16:41):
comes back as like a because this whole thing of
like different villains wearing different faces.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I'm not that's a wasted Chris Evans cameo.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, I'm kind of feeling like, perhaps because of the
timeline in the fact that they were filming, and then
he's if he's allegedly been on set and he has
been missing for some time. If he has been on set,
he's kind of on the tail end of it. So
I'm sort of like, is it that he's going to
be in the end of this? Yeah, and they're gonna
line him up for the next film potentially.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And it's also so secretive because with these movies and
with Doomsday, like with Avengers, they had three sets going simultaneously.
Even the people in the movie don't know who else
is in the movie, and this time they've got about
four sets I was hearing going. So it's possible that
he and Haley Atwell, who plays Peggy Carter, filmed their
little scene and then he had to get jacked for that,
but no one else in the movie even knows, so
(17:26):
they can keep it a secret.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And let's not forget all the decoy scripts they leave
lying around, Like again, my tiny little brain cannot comprehend
all of these changes. But I love this theory, Tina,
I think I just come on board with it.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Important to spread rumors.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And when someone looks to me like they've been spending
seven to ten hours in the gym a day and
they are famously only that hot when they play, yes,
America's ass, I thinks to say.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And also, he wanted to prove himself as a proper
actor and he feels now that boy feels like he
did that with Materialists. Well, so maybe that's going to
bring him back.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well we did, but also at if for this screening
where he looked so fantastic, he did get asked about
was it too close to home to play a failing
actor on screen?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
And I believe that man.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He's he's trying and he's got.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
His performance has been lauded as like very comedic, very fun. Yeah,
people are really enjoying him only in this movie, and
like I say, bring him back to stardom.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I love that man. Let him shine.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, let that poor hand, some white man give him
a break, a break.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If you are listening, Reso Brothers, goddamn it more, Captain America.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So late last week, a photo was posted of Princess
Catherine Kate Middleton whichever name you'd like to call her by.
And this shouldn't be a crazy thing because she's one
of the most photographed women in the world. So she
and Prince William had been on a bit of a
summer break with their children, so they hadn't been attending
any events. This is the first time we got a
proper look at her, and it was at the National
(18:52):
History Museum's revamped Garden event Get Excited, a very classy
event where they were walking around inspecting the new grounds
and as normal, there was heaps of people lined up
ready to greet them. And there was one thing about
Kate that got people's attention. It was the fact that
her hair, which is her hair is very famous, was
looking extra long, extra luscious, and extra blondish, which is
(19:14):
a look we've never seen from her before.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, and it kind of sparked a lot of comments,
which we're gonna kind of dive into a little bit now.
The main comments were quite negative. It was a lot
of oh my god, she's wearing a wig. Oh my god,
it's too blonde, it doesn't suit her. What's going on
To the point where Princess Di's hair stylist, Sam mcnight
(19:38):
actually posted on Instagram to defend her.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yes, So the photos went up and again, photos of
Kate and William together always attract a huge amount of attention,
especially if their kids are there. But the comments under this,
I mean we posted, all the different outlets posted, and
it went all over TikTok, every social platform, and the
comments section just absolutely blew up. So you had people
saying yes, as you were saying, like, she's definitely wearing
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a wig, she looks terrible, it's way too blonde.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Depending which way you looked.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
At the front, it kind of looked very full and curl,
which is not unusual for her. From the back, it
looked very windslept because she was outside, so it looked
like it was parted in a strange way, and it
was the blonde. So you had people saying, she's wearing
a wig, she looks terrible, the color is terrible. Then
you had people jumping in defending her, saying it's definitely
not a wig, and then the conversation escalated to if
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it is a wig, how dare you pointed out because
obviously she's had a lot of health issues over the
last couple of years, and I think people were really
thinking back to that moment in time where that whole
story of her being missing took over the world and
people thought that there was a decoy being used. They
thought she was in hiding, they thought she'd escaped from
Prince William. And then she did that video saying that
she'd had a cancer diagnosis and that's why she was
(20:50):
laying low, and then people are saying like, it's really
poor taous, which it is to not only question a
woman's hair, but question it when you know that she's
been going through health struggles.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, the majority of last year she was
going through chemotherapy radiotherapy, which was confirmed by the Palace.
She never confirmed what kind of cancer she has remission.
They didn't announce that earlier this year. But as you know,
with chemotherapy, often hair loss is one of the side
effects of chemotherapy. There was one report that I saw
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where she was visiting the hospital and she was talking
to a woman who was receiving chemotherapy who was wearing
a cold cap. Now, cold capping is when they can
help to prevent the hair loss, and the woman actually asked, Kate,
did you cold cap? And Kate said no, So there
is a very real possibility that this woman has lost
her hair, which, as we know, has been something that's
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always been in the press about her, that she's had
a really long, beautiful hair. And for many women that
is a really big part of their identity is their hair.
So I think a lot of the backlash comes from
you're criticizing a woman who has just experienced a really
difficult year health wise, and we know she's gone through cancer,
we know she's gone through chemotherapy, and now you're drawing
(22:04):
attention to her hair, which may or may not be
a wig. It felt really ikey to me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And then the other interesting part of that is that
early this week more photos came out of her at
a different event, and she was back to her more
natural like kind of the hair color that she had
when she first was in the public eye more than
a decade ago. Was that kind of lighter, richer brown.
So then people were speculating, has she changed the wig
to have a more natural one, or was she in
like a transitional phase when she was getting a hair
(22:32):
color changed and you how like you can lighten your
hair to darken it and that sort of thing, So
speculation is still rife. A couple of points on that
is that I don't think it's out of the realm
of possibility that Kate Middleton has worn wigs and hair.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Pieces over the years.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's super common, not just for everyday women like I'm
sure you have over the years as well, But I'm
worn so much fake hair, especially if you're on camera
or being photographed a lot. Natural hair doesn't photograph as well.
That's why every single person on TV, in movies, photos, magazines,
anyone who's in the public eye most of the time,
they're either wearing a wig, they're wearing a topper, or
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they've got a whole bunch of hair pieces in there.
And so I'm sure of the year she has done
that to bulk out her hair, but also to protect
her hair from that crazy amount of heat styling that
would take place if you're in the public eye every day.
So maybe she's wearing hair pieces like she always has,
but this time they were just a slightly different color,
and because people are more attuned to like her body
(23:26):
at the moment, it blew up. But I always just
think with hair, it's like it just as a sensitive topic,
as you were saying, as a woman's body. But is
kind of a bit more fair game to comment on.
And I think Kate's hair has become a big thing
off the back of her catcer diagnosis, even with data
Pink and Smith when that blew up a few years,
like people thought she was shaving her head as a
big fashion statement and that was a whole thing of
(23:49):
Chris Rock at the Oscars making that comment about her hair,
Will Smith slapping him, and later on her saying, I
have alopecia and that's why I've chosen not to wear
a wig to cover it up. And I'm just going
out onto the world like this. But it's really difficult.
We see some actresses as they get older to have
to sort of have these conversations around fitning hair and
like they haven't talked about it, but like Sarah Usca
(24:10):
Parker and Nicole kim Men just as like two actresses
off the top of my head, over the years have
faced like a lot of allegations about wearing a lot
of hair pieces, wearing so many wigs and people are like, well,
their hair was so thick, why is it this now?
All this sort of stuff, and it's like your hair
does thin as you get older, it does, and I
can understand why they're not wanting to have that conversation,
like they're just putting the wing on and like never
(24:31):
sort of addressing it in any way.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Also, textraally, hair changes as you age, So the more
grays you get which don't have the melanine in it,
when it doesn't have the color in it, it becomes coarser.
So your hair texture changes as you get older too,
so that affects people as well. But I just I
think that the discourse around it, and just to kind
of throw a little bit of a spanner in the
works here, people who are defending Kate Middleton, which I
(24:55):
definitely would be like, I don't think it's fair to
criticize her, particularly with what we know about how her
last year health wise has been. What about the empathy
and compassion that people are showing. Why is that not
being shown towards Megan Markle.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, that was the thing too, because a lot of
people were jumping in and obviously it's kind of not
exactly on the same thing because there's a health diagnosis
throwing in there, but it always comes back to that
same moment, like it was so predictable watching it happen.
Is that the photo came up, the comments went crazy,
people posted about it. All these big traditional news outlets
(25:33):
picked it up and started running all these articles around
the backlash to Kate's hair, and then all of a sudden,
this other side of the Internet came bursting up, as
they always do, saying like, how dare you call out
this showing a photo of Kate without calling out this,
showing all these photos of Megan Markle where she's like
walking on the beach and her hair's like all you know,
it's got wind and sand in it, or showing a
hair looking a bit stringing, or showing a hair looking
(25:55):
a bit flat, and immediately having to draw that line.
And the other thing too, is like if you're a
woman of color, especially in Hollywood and stuff, and especially
in the public eye, that's always been a huge thing
of like telling women that they won't be attractive if
they are women of color, of showing their natural hair,
saying that they have to wear wigs or hair pieces
or have it straightened, or not having someone on set
(26:15):
who knows how to do textured hair. And so I
just thought that was a terrible line of shaming a
woman who's had cancer for her hair by drawing a
direct line to a woman of color and what her
hair looks like. It was just a bad day to
be on the internet.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think it's just I think it's because the Megan
Markle loyalists will try and be like, well, look, you
can't say this about her and then not say that
about her again. I totally agree with you. It's a very,
very different situation. I think Kate Middleton is obviously going
through a lot right now. I mean we saw it
at first when before they actually announced the cancer diagnosis.
(26:50):
You know the Mother's Day photo debacle last year where
she photoshopped photos. She had to come out and say, yes,
I photoshopped them because I edited my pictures, maybe because
she wasn't looking well. But both of them are under
such scrutiny. In fact, the whole Royal family, particularly the
women in the royal family, are under such scrutiny that
no matter what they do, whether they're quiet or they
(27:13):
speak out, they're going to be criticized for it. And
I think in this instance it's best to show some
compassion and empathy for someone who doesn't want to deal
with something as personal as a cancer treatment with the
entire world.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and I think a lot of people because some
people said crazy things when they thought that she had
been replaced with a body double or stuff like that,
and honestly, some of those rumors looking back them are
absolutely crazy. So I think now people are going too
far the other way of like don't leave her alone,
don't say anything. But there's also the possibility that the
woman just wanted a different hair color for summer. There's
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also like she's probably just sitting in her palace right
now with William sitting in the corner, like being very unhelpful,
being like I just it was summer. I was down about,
like I just wanted to like lighten my hair and
try it if had the same hair for the last
twenty years, we've all had a blonde stage in our life.
We just mostly do it in your very early twenties,
which I think she did as well. Like there's photos
of her with the wild streaks that everyone gets in
(28:07):
their early twenties. But there's a possibility has just sat
down to do some maintenance and she was like, I
want a new look, and she went a bit blonder
than normal and potentially photographed strangely or weirdly. And now
everyone's gone crazy over that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I also saw it from a couple of different angles
and it didn't look as blonde as some of the photos.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It was just also money than she normally dies.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It was bigger at the crown, so I think that's why.
I think, because of the bulkiness at the crown of
the head is white. People were speculating it was a week.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But even if it was, God forbid the woman trying,
who gives it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Who?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Anyway, who gives a shit? But let's talk about it
for ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I know, Well, that's important for us because this is
we're living vicariously through Kate Middleton's hair. But the sad
thing is that she potentially tried something different and then
she's put it straight back, so people put the fear
of God into her and she'll probably never try any
And what world is this if Kate Middleton can't experiment
with her hair.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
She went to a rugby game and she had the
sort of slipped back or brunette yeah, chestnutty color. Yeah,
and she did look beautiful.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I will I mean, I know she can't, but I
would love her just step out now like a platinum
bond rollrig a red wig, a ball cap, a buzz cut,
a long black Martitia Adams like, I know she can't
because she's the new Queen of England, but or will
be the Queen of England, But I would just love
her to just go crazy with the whigs to kind
of maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Really maybe some really really long nails that are.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, just to throw people.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I mean, that was the big takeaway from Mega Michael's
Netflix show is like the only thing she said about
the Royal family is that she couldn't really fit in
because she couldn't wear beige pantyhose every day. And I
was like, I one hundred percent think that you severed
your ties with the Royal family with her panty hose,
Like women can't live like that. So either way, Kate
Middleton looks great. People on the internet are crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Just another day.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
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Speaker 2 (30:24):
Bye Bye,
So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassem Milo Kitch And.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Coming up on the show today, Chris Evans has been
trying to hide a big movie role from us, but
we are onto him. That man cannot lie. Plus a
photo of Kate Middleton or Princess Catherine as she is
known now cause absolute uproar over the weekend, and we're
going to get into that. But first, the VMA's the
Video Music Awards are happening as we speak. The Red
(00:52):
Carpet is in full swing as a record and because
of that, we've got Mamma MIA's pop culture and social
editor Tina Burke here. Because you're always lurking around all
the corners of the Internet seeing what's going on at
events like this, So you're our eyes on the ground.
Without being on the ground, you're our eyes on the Internet.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yes, I love to be on the dot com checking
out getty images, dot com, dot au.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You just have that you have that saved. It is
the first thing, the.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
First thing I see in the morning, and then I
open up all my apps and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What next, Well, don't give weigh all your secrets. Especially,
I was hoping it'd be something more than looking Getty images.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
But fifteen browsers open every major US publication. I'm checking
them NonStop. But yes, the VMA is today very exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I feel like the VMS is one of the red
carpets where it's like you get the craziest looks, Like
I'm talking like way back where Little Kim was wearing
pasties and that just like broke before the Internet. It's
always been a red carpet where people kind of a
little loose.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah right, like the Lady Gargo iconic meatress. It's had
some of the big moments, and even the stars who
don't really dress crazy, usually that's their moment to like
step it up.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yes, which I love because, as we've said, everyone's getting
a little bit samey on some of the big red
carpets because they're so worried about putting a foot roll.
Everyone's using the same stylist, everyone's doing old Hollywood drag.
They all look the same. So at least the VMEs
we see some differ things. So who are the big
stars who were there and who didn't turn up? Who
do we hate?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Oh? I mean, hey, such a strong word. I'm like, God, Laura.
The VMAs can either be like the most star studded
day on the planet and like everyone's there, like Beyonce, everyone,
Taylor whoever. And then sometimes the VMAs is like, you know,
four people and the rest they're for the youths, and
that's okay, ok but hey where for the youth to
We love the youths. Look, I'm on TikTok. I know
(02:36):
who's cool. But some of the big ones today are
Sabrina Carpenter, Doja cat Ariana Grande looking very chic.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And then Lady Gaga wasn't there? She was there? Oh
she's there now she's on a plane. So those were
the big stars.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Of the day.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Okay, so we'll get into that.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But people thought Taylor Swift was going up until the
last minute, right, and then a statement came out that
she was not going to be there just in case
fans were getting just too impatient.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And I do respect her decision to not go.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It makes me very sad, but I know that I'm
getting an album in like t minus twenty days.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I can't count.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Would she go if she wasn't nominated because.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
She played for Artist of the Year, which I thought
she would have won.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, I think obviously she picked up massively last year,
like she won so many awards. Any year she's in
like an album release cycle, that's the year she tends
to win. She goes whenever she wins, and then like
because they obviously are like, you're gonna win, come along.
But the thing they've done the last few times she's
gone is they've literally had a Taylor cam. They've had
a camera that has followed her every move, Like she
gets up to go to the bathroom, she talks to someone.
(03:34):
Then there's lip readers. They watch her every mover she
dances and gets drunk and drunker because she loves to
have a boogear that. It is my favorite part of
the show, My favorite part. But I wouldn't go if
there was a tailor cam on me twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, especially if.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
She's not nominated for all the big awards. She's out
of that album release cycle. So she could also be
accused of taking the spotlight away from everyone else. Yeah,
she disappeared mid ceremony last year and like they almost
they almost called the police. We were like, what happened
to our diva? And she was probably just backstage.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But yeah, it's there's all eyes on Taylor when she
goes anywhere. And I think I think, as we saw
her the Grammys this year, like sometimes she plays in
and she's like, fine, I'm gonna have a great time,
but sometimes people really hate her for it. And right
now she's gearing up for an album to come out.
I just think she's like, whatever, I'll have my fun
next year.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So fair well we can talk about then my favorite
Sabrana Carpenter.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
She looks so good.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It's very Jessica Rabbit with the red and the purple.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It's very like that sort of leaning into that sort
of fifties Hollywood glam with the feather boa and the
really tight red dre. I mean, I'm loving her at
the moment. I think I'm a brand new Sabrina Carpenter Stan.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, and hopefully her performance will be like the biggest one.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, she's the big star of the night right
with her album release and her show. Yeah, I was
really interested to see what she would wear because the
whole kind of naked dress thing, which she doesn't do
that much, but that's so over now, like people will
just like it's just the more skin you show, the
more kind of tired it feels. But then everyone's doing
that really old Hollywood over the top, so it almost
looks like not like drag, but like they're in a costume.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And that's always been her look.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
She always does, like the huge hair, the huge makeup,
like she looks like a tiny escaped beauty pageant contestant
the time. And it was like, how do you make
that look fresh when you do that all the time?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So yeah, had a sheer element.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, I guess the red lace was that because she
usually goes like a creem or a white or a neutral.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
She does love like a very light pastel color.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yes, yes, yeah, so it's a bit more bombshell for me,
Ariana Grande, I love you dearly, Ari.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
But she's still in her wicked era.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So yeah, because the new movie is coming and.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He's coming out, so like she's still doing those like
she's doing like it's like a black and pink perkodile
there's a penbler element. But she was styled by Law Roach,
so she's gone back to Law famously, the man who
styles Indre. So she's looking very wicked era Ariana Grande.
But she's having the time of her.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Life so far. She wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, she was having a great time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
She was living next to Lady Gaga when Gaga won her,
and they just looked like they were having a blast.
And they really looked like complete opposites because Gaga was
in like this full black Yeah, full Gaga, Yeah, walking
with Laura Roach.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
The man who said he was retiring from being a style,
a celebrity stylist uproar across the world, and who has
not retired at all from being a celebrity styles because
he styles Ariana, he styles zandeas soon. What he meant,
I think was that he was stepping away from that
being his only kind of thing that people knew him from,
because now he's doing like the TV hosting and everything else.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, And I think he was like, I'm stepping away
from certain celebrities who want to work with me, and
I'm in a cherry pick who I.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Want to work Yeah, which I do love that man
he just says whatever he wants. But yeah, Arian Grande
in like all the current trends, polka dots and a
peplum and it, and there's like a bubble element to
the pe trend on that tiny girl.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Love her.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And then you know one of my favorites, Doja Cat
Like She's in this Balmain gown. She has a big
bejewelled lipstick purse, and then she pulled out a lipstick
and took a bite on the red carpet of the lipstick.
I'm like, great, We've gone better in this lipstick world.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It was very like eighties.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Is this outfit like bauma, like a you know suit
kind of almost chanelly, tweety look, big hair and the
lipstick it I am questioning if she spat that out
I'll swallow it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think it was an edible lipstick from what I saw,
because she ate it and swallowed it. So it's like
it was like a candy in the lipstick and that
was her, you know, like on the right part of it,
like you have some little shtick, that's your moment. It
might even think of those studies that have been done
that every woman in her lifetime eats five lipsticks because
the amount you put on your mouth and then and
when you like rub it in that you consume it.
And I'm like, she's just getting getting a head.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So you would consume so just basically throws your cat.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I have a constant lip liquor. I'm always like, Okay,
this sounds gress, but yeah, I feel like I would
be in your camp as well.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, she's just getting a head start on that. She's
taking it. That's actually quite demurr of her.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like usually thought, I thought the carpet was less stunty
this year.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It was, Yeah, for sure, except for my favorite, which
is Hacks and Too Much star me. So I was
about to say yes, yes, who showed up in I
don't even understand the ensemble, but she had a dazzled
dunk and donut and she was wearing like a white
paper crown and then a white dress with like a
corset and like a circle skirt that wasn't attached to
her body.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But the character that so Meg Stetler, if anyone doesn't know,
is a breakout stuff from Hacks but also the star.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Of Too Much.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So when she was on the Too Much Press tour,
she would go on the press tour as a character,
but her character was an actress on a press tour.
So she'd come out with these like long blonde wigs
and these like little outfits, and she'd like flirt with
the hosts and be like, oh my god, you asked
about my movie, Like, oh my god, I didn't know
I was wearing such a tiny outfit. My bad. Like
she did all these little things, like little send ups
of what actresses do. And I think the Duncan thing
(08:47):
is because everyone's obsessed with those little bejeweled coke bags
at the moment, everyone's carrying those thing to be holding,
and so she went the Duncan way.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's like her and Ben Affleck flying the Duncan.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Fla very beta she's did you talk about how she
was gonna sing? Yeah, And I hope she was like
sometime I'm so nervous about performing tonight. Can I plase
mention my favorite?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
What's your favorite? Ricky Martin? He looks good.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh my god, he looks so good. It was so funny.
We were in the office earlier talking about all the
red carpet arrivals and he's wearing this very low cut
shirt and some of the girls were like, was he
always gay? And I was like, you don't remember the
whole coming out of Ricky Martin And I was like,
you don't remember that Ricky Martin was like every girl's
heart throb and they were all like no, and I
was like, damn, I'm old.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And he still got it. He does still look good.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It looks amazing and I loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And we touched on this quickly before we wrap this moment.
The Lady Gaga thing. She wasn't supposed to be there, right,
and then she was supposed to be there, and then
she pre recorded something, but then she appeared, but then
she disappeared.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
What is that woman doing?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So there were conflicting reports because she has her Mayhem
Ball currently her tool going on and has a show
tonight at Madison Square Garden. So she'd recorded her performance
from Madison Square Garden and they're going to air that,
so it's a live performance but pre recorded. That's the
deal with that. Then she wasn't on the red carpet,
so all the reports come out she's not coming, and
then next minute she's sitting next to Ariana Grande in
the crowd in this massive black feathery ensemble. Then she
(10:12):
gets up, she does her speech, she wins Artists of
the Year, and then she's like gotta go.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah he's guys, I got a contry thing. They would
have told her, hey, you're actually gonna win. And so
the power of play Gaga that they moved her to
the front and she would have walked off that stage,
straight out the door and into her.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Can imagine the process of her getting ready would have
taken longer than she was actually at the award show
because that ensemble was full Princess of darkness light.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But the photos they live forever. So all of our
VMA coverage is on the spill Instagram and the spell TikTok.
We put up all the videos, all the biggest moments
from the ceremony.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
So go there to see all the crazy outfits.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So, Tina, we are going to keep you here for
one more segment because this has been flagged by you,
this particular story, and it is Chris Evans and his
supposed return to the Marvel Universe. Now, he was spotted
at TIFF, which is the Toronto International Film Festival, for
his new movie Sacrifice and Hot damn did he look great?
(11:10):
He was buffers hell.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
He looks so beautiful in that tight, tightight T.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Shirt, very tight T shirt. He's like nerdy glasses and
looking very cute. But I was doing a bit of
a timeline look for you because the speculation is he's
going to return to Avengers Doomsday, which is premiering next year.
But his last performance as an Avenger was in Endgame,
(11:34):
where he kind of returns back to the past, he
returns the Infinity Stones, and that was kind of supposed
to be the end of his story. There's been constant speculation.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yes, I'm here to spread a rumor today and I'm
excited about it. Chris Evans made a big to do
about I'm done. He was like, maybe one day, but
I'm done. My time has passed. I'm moving on from Marvel.
That's his deal, and we're not happy, but it's fine.
So he went away from Marvel and he was like, oh, okay,
I'm going to go do other things. And then he
weirdly made an appearance in Ryan Royolds movie. Yeah but
(12:06):
that Fantastic Four character, and it was fun and it
was a brief CAMI and we were all like, okay, sure,
but my man, Chris Evans was recently as we loved Immterialists.
Not everybody loved that movie, we loved it. So on
the press tour for Materialists, which is like May June,
he was giving us a look that was more like
nineties renovation hosteh than Marvel Superhero. He was wearing a
(12:29):
lot of plaid, he looked a bit more slinky, he
had a beard.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
He looked great.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Then his film Honey Don't went on the press tour,
which is another movie that we're all excited about starring
Aubrey Plaza and.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Margaret Quali, and he was nowhere to be seen for
this press tour.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And what was his excuse? Tina bag So.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
He didn't go to the can Film Festival for the
first premiere. It was his mum's birthday. He couldn't make it.
But that was in May.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
He's used that mum excuse before. How many birthdays does this?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
When we get I do I believe this excuse?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So he is a mummer's boy famously. And the reports
were around there like, oh, Chris Evans is at his
mum's birthday.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
How sweets that?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
But then we get to the rest of the press cycle, right,
they're doing the junkets. There's more screenings, they're doing interviews
and he is nowhere to be seen filming around the
same time as that is Avengers Doomsday. Now, if you
don't know Avengers Doomsday, there are nearly nearly thirty returning
stars from Marvel coming into this, so it's like Florence Pugh,
Pedro Pascal, James Marston, but also a lot of the
(13:23):
og is like Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston and of course
his too, Chris Evans. Two besties Anthony Mackie and Sebastian
stan are also returning.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, so Anthony Mackie is the new Captain America. Yeah,
so it's like, is Chris Evans going to be coming
back in Becoming America? But because this whole Avengers Doom
today is like starting a new timeline, because we've got
Robert Downey Jr. As Dr Doom and so he's not
iron Man anymore. This is a whole new universe, so
(13:52):
potentially he could come back in as anything.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, so pretty much Originally he was like asked about
it in June and he goes, it's sad not to
be back with the band, but I'm sure they're doing
something incredible, and he keeps playing this that like he's
not involved, he's denying it, He's vehemently denying it. Then
we find out that Captain America's wife, which Peggy Carter
played by Hailey at Well, has allegedly been filming in
August on the set Piction, on the set of Avengers Doomsday,
(14:17):
and this kind of makes everyone go, maybe Chris is
coming back. And then when he arrives at tiff on
the weekend and we see that man bulked up and beardless,
he has shaved his beard. People, he's put the cap,
he has put the cap look back on. He is
looking phenomenal. And I have to say I was watching
the tweets, I was watching the videos I on this
and my favorite one is someone who was like I
(14:39):
was sitting very close to him in the front row.
And Chris Evans is absolutely back for Doomsday or Secret
Wars because he was jacked in real life, like shockingly
so people around me and the audience were gagged.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And he always says he only does that, as every
actor says, he only does that for those roles because
it's uncatainable to live like that. And we also know
that Cap and Peggy's kids are going to be in
this y is the room on the streets, So even
if he's not fully back in the full timeline or
the merging timeline anything like that, it could be a flashback.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
To their life which we never saw. Yeah, I I
hate it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I feel like Marvel has really gone off the rails.
I love it because I quite love an Evente's movie,
but it's all of these new universes and like alternates
and all of that is very confusing for my small
little brain.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, okay, and I.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Really loved Thunderbolts this year, which kind of brought us
back to like, oh, superhero saving people. Like, yeah, it
was that bit smaller, you didn't need to know the
context of everything. But Doomsday is going to be bringing
together Avengers. Thunderbolts were Kandon's Fantastic Four, and The X Men.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, so also with the X Men, they're recasting basically
everyone apart from Professor X and Magneto, which is famously
Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen as Magneto, who were like
the Ogs, which they didn't recast. So's I'm very confused.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, in all the little end scenes, it explains how
like the different timelines emerging and everything. Ye yeah, I
just like I understand what they're doing, and I understand
that Marvel was faltering in this new phase.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But I'm a little disappointed. And Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I know he's doing it for the money, and I
know he's doing it because the Russo Brothers put in
an emergency to him and was like, we need you.
But him coming back as stop goodoom, I don't love.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I don't feel like a.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Bit cheap and gimmicky, and it's like, you've got to
back your new cast.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And yeah, Chris Evens, I don't hate.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I just feel like this is too many people. No, no,
I want to see that now. I just want my
original I'm so I'm an old school I just want
all my original Avengers back on screen together. But I
know that's not gonna happen. I don't mind seeing a
glimpse of his life with Peggy or I don't mind
like him and Sam having a moment in him and
Bucky having a moment. But if he comes back in
some alternate timeline, he comes back as a villain, he
(16:41):
comes back as like a because this whole thing of
like different villains wearing different faces.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I'm not that's a wasted Chris Evans cameo.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, I'm kind of feeling like, perhaps because of the
timeline in the fact that they were filming, and then
he's if he's allegedly been on set and he has
been missing for some time. If he has been on set,
he's kind of on the tail end of it. So
I'm sort of like, is it that he's going to
be in the end of this? Yeah, and they're gonna
line him up for the next film potentially.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And it's also so secretive because with these movies and
with Doomsday, like with Avengers, they had three sets going simultaneously.
Even the people in the movie don't know who else
is in the movie, and this time they've got about
four sets I was hearing going. So it's possible that
he and Haley Atwell, who plays Peggy Carter, filmed their
little scene and then he had to get jacked for that,
but no one else in the movie even knows, so
(17:26):
they can keep it a secret.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And let's not forget all the decoy scripts they leave
lying around, Like again, my tiny little brain cannot comprehend
all of these changes. But I love this theory, Tina,
I think I just come on board with it.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Important to spread rumors.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And when someone looks to me like they've been spending
seven to ten hours in the gym a day and
they are famously only that hot when they play, yes,
America's ass, I thinks to say.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And also, he wanted to prove himself as a proper
actor and he feels now that boy feels like he
did that with Materialists. Well, so maybe that's going to
bring him back.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well we did, but also at if for this screening
where he looked so fantastic, he did get asked about
was it too close to home to play a failing
actor on screen?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
And I believe that man.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He's he's trying and he's got.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
His performance has been lauded as like very comedic, very fun. Yeah,
people are really enjoying him only in this movie, and
like I say, bring him back to stardom.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I love that man. Let him shine.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, let that poor hand, some white man give him
a break, a break.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If you are listening, Reso Brothers, goddamn it more, Captain America.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So late last week, a photo was posted of Princess
Catherine Kate Middleton whichever name you'd like to call her by.
And this shouldn't be a crazy thing because she's one
of the most photographed women in the world. So she
and Prince William had been on a bit of a
summer break with their children, so they hadn't been attending
any events. This is the first time we got a
proper look at her, and it was at the National
(18:52):
History Museum's revamped Garden event Get Excited, a very classy
event where they were walking around inspecting the new grounds
and as normal, there was heaps of people lined up
ready to greet them. And there was one thing about
Kate that got people's attention. It was the fact that
her hair, which is her hair is very famous, was
looking extra long, extra luscious, and extra blondish, which is
(19:14):
a look we've never seen from her before.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, and it kind of sparked a lot of comments,
which we're gonna kind of dive into a little bit now.
The main comments were quite negative. It was a lot
of oh my god, she's wearing a wig. Oh my god,
it's too blonde, it doesn't suit her. What's going on
To the point where Princess Di's hair stylist, Sam mcnight
(19:38):
actually posted on Instagram to defend her.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yes, So the photos went up and again, photos of
Kate and William together always attract a huge amount of attention,
especially if their kids are there. But the comments under this,
I mean we posted, all the different outlets posted, and
it went all over TikTok, every social platform, and the
comments section just absolutely blew up. So you had people
saying yes, as you were saying, like, she's definitely wearing
(20:03):
a wig, she looks terrible, it's way too blonde.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Depending which way you looked.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
At the front, it kind of looked very full and curl,
which is not unusual for her. From the back, it
looked very windslept because she was outside, so it looked
like it was parted in a strange way, and it
was the blonde. So you had people saying, she's wearing
a wig, she looks terrible, the color is terrible. Then
you had people jumping in defending her, saying it's definitely
not a wig, and then the conversation escalated to if
(20:28):
it is a wig, how dare you pointed out because
obviously she's had a lot of health issues over the
last couple of years, and I think people were really
thinking back to that moment in time where that whole
story of her being missing took over the world and
people thought that there was a decoy being used. They
thought she was in hiding, they thought she'd escaped from
Prince William. And then she did that video saying that
she'd had a cancer diagnosis and that's why she was
(20:50):
laying low, and then people are saying like, it's really
poor taous, which it is to not only question a
woman's hair, but question it when you know that she's
been going through health struggles.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, the majority of last year she was
going through chemotherapy radiotherapy, which was confirmed by the Palace.
She never confirmed what kind of cancer she has remission.
They didn't announce that earlier this year. But as you know,
with chemotherapy, often hair loss is one of the side
effects of chemotherapy. There was one report that I saw
(21:21):
where she was visiting the hospital and she was talking
to a woman who was receiving chemotherapy who was wearing
a cold cap. Now, cold capping is when they can
help to prevent the hair loss, and the woman actually asked, Kate,
did you cold cap? And Kate said no, So there
is a very real possibility that this woman has lost
her hair, which, as we know, has been something that's
(21:42):
always been in the press about her, that she's had
a really long, beautiful hair. And for many women that
is a really big part of their identity is their hair.
So I think a lot of the backlash comes from
you're criticizing a woman who has just experienced a really
difficult year health wise, and we know she's gone through cancer,
we know she's gone through chemotherapy, and now you're drawing
(22:04):
attention to her hair, which may or may not be
a wig. It felt really ikey to me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And then the other interesting part of that is that
early this week more photos came out of her at
a different event, and she was back to her more
natural like kind of the hair color that she had
when she first was in the public eye more than
a decade ago. Was that kind of lighter, richer brown.
So then people were speculating, has she changed the wig
to have a more natural one, or was she in
like a transitional phase when she was getting a hair
(22:32):
color changed and you how like you can lighten your
hair to darken it and that sort of thing, So
speculation is still rife. A couple of points on that
is that I don't think it's out of the realm
of possibility that Kate Middleton has worn wigs and hair.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Pieces over the years.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's super common, not just for everyday women like I'm
sure you have over the years as well, But I'm
worn so much fake hair, especially if you're on camera
or being photographed a lot. Natural hair doesn't photograph as well.
That's why every single person on TV, in movies, photos, magazines,
anyone who's in the public eye most of the time,
they're either wearing a wig, they're wearing a topper, or
(23:06):
they've got a whole bunch of hair pieces in there.
And so I'm sure of the year she has done
that to bulk out her hair, but also to protect
her hair from that crazy amount of heat styling that
would take place if you're in the public eye every day.
So maybe she's wearing hair pieces like she always has,
but this time they were just a slightly different color,
and because people are more attuned to like her body
(23:26):
at the moment, it blew up. But I always just
think with hair, it's like it just as a sensitive topic,
as you were saying, as a woman's body. But is
kind of a bit more fair game to comment on.
And I think Kate's hair has become a big thing
off the back of her catcer diagnosis, even with data
Pink and Smith when that blew up a few years,
like people thought she was shaving her head as a
big fashion statement and that was a whole thing of
(23:49):
Chris Rock at the Oscars making that comment about her hair,
Will Smith slapping him, and later on her saying, I
have alopecia and that's why I've chosen not to wear
a wig to cover it up. And I'm just going
out onto the world like this. But it's really difficult.
We see some actresses as they get older to have
to sort of have these conversations around fitning hair and
like they haven't talked about it, but like Sarah Usca
(24:10):
Parker and Nicole kim Men just as like two actresses
off the top of my head, over the years have
faced like a lot of allegations about wearing a lot
of hair pieces, wearing so many wigs and people are like, well,
their hair was so thick, why is it this now?
All this sort of stuff, and it's like your hair
does thin as you get older, it does, and I
can understand why they're not wanting to have that conversation,
like they're just putting the wing on and like never
(24:31):
sort of addressing it in any way.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Also, textraally, hair changes as you age, So the more
grays you get which don't have the melanine in it,
when it doesn't have the color in it, it becomes coarser.
So your hair texture changes as you get older too,
so that affects people as well. But I just I
think that the discourse around it, and just to kind
of throw a little bit of a spanner in the
works here, people who are defending Kate Middleton, which I
(24:55):
definitely would be like, I don't think it's fair to
criticize her, particularly with what we know about how her
last year health wise has been. What about the empathy
and compassion that people are showing. Why is that not
being shown towards Megan Markle.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, that was the thing too, because a lot of
people were jumping in and obviously it's kind of not
exactly on the same thing because there's a health diagnosis
throwing in there, but it always comes back to that
same moment, like it was so predictable watching it happen.
Is that the photo came up, the comments went crazy,
people posted about it. All these big traditional news outlets
(25:33):
picked it up and started running all these articles around
the backlash to Kate's hair, and then all of a sudden,
this other side of the Internet came bursting up, as
they always do, saying like, how dare you call out
this showing a photo of Kate without calling out this,
showing all these photos of Megan Markle where she's like
walking on the beach and her hair's like all you know,
it's got wind and sand in it, or showing a
hair looking a bit stringing, or showing a hair looking
(25:55):
a bit flat, and immediately having to draw that line.
And the other thing too, is like if you're a
woman of color, especially in Hollywood and stuff, and especially
in the public eye, that's always been a huge thing
of like telling women that they won't be attractive if
they are women of color, of showing their natural hair,
saying that they have to wear wigs or hair pieces
or have it straightened, or not having someone on set
(26:15):
who knows how to do textured hair. And so I
just thought that was a terrible line of shaming a
woman who's had cancer for her hair by drawing a
direct line to a woman of color and what her
hair looks like. It was just a bad day to
be on the internet.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think it's just I think it's because the Megan
Markle loyalists will try and be like, well, look, you
can't say this about her and then not say that
about her again. I totally agree with you. It's a very,
very different situation. I think Kate Middleton is obviously going
through a lot right now. I mean we saw it
at first when before they actually announced the cancer diagnosis.
(26:50):
You know the Mother's Day photo debacle last year where
she photoshopped photos. She had to come out and say, yes,
I photoshopped them because I edited my pictures, maybe because
she wasn't looking well. But both of them are under
such scrutiny. In fact, the whole Royal family, particularly the
women in the royal family, are under such scrutiny that
no matter what they do, whether they're quiet or they
(27:13):
speak out, they're going to be criticized for it. And
I think in this instance it's best to show some
compassion and empathy for someone who doesn't want to deal
with something as personal as a cancer treatment with the
entire world.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and I think a lot of people because some
people said crazy things when they thought that she had
been replaced with a body double or stuff like that,
and honestly, some of those rumors looking back them are
absolutely crazy. So I think now people are going too
far the other way of like don't leave her alone,
don't say anything. But there's also the possibility that the
woman just wanted a different hair color for summer. There's
(27:46):
also like she's probably just sitting in her palace right
now with William sitting in the corner, like being very unhelpful,
being like I just it was summer. I was down about,
like I just wanted to like lighten my hair and
try it if had the same hair for the last
twenty years, we've all had a blonde stage in our life.
We just mostly do it in your very early twenties,
which I think she did as well. Like there's photos
of her with the wild streaks that everyone gets in
(28:07):
their early twenties. But there's a possibility has just sat
down to do some maintenance and she was like, I
want a new look, and she went a bit blonder
than normal and potentially photographed strangely or weirdly. And now
everyone's gone crazy over that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I also saw it from a couple of different angles
and it didn't look as blonde as some of the photos.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It was just also money than she normally dies.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It was bigger at the crown, so I think that's why.
I think, because of the bulkiness at the crown of
the head is white. People were speculating it was a week.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But even if it was, God forbid the woman trying,
who gives it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Who?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Anyway, who gives a shit? But let's talk about it
for ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I know, Well, that's important for us because this is
we're living vicariously through Kate Middleton's hair. But the sad
thing is that she potentially tried something different and then
she's put it straight back, so people put the fear
of God into her and she'll probably never try any
And what world is this if Kate Middleton can't experiment
with her hair.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
She went to a rugby game and she had the
sort of slipped back or brunette yeah, chestnutty color. Yeah,
and she did look beautiful.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I will I mean, I know she can't, but I
would love her just step out now like a platinum
bond rollrig a red wig, a ball cap, a buzz cut,
a long black Martitia Adams like, I know she can't
because she's the new Queen of England, but or will
be the Queen of England, But I would just love
her to just go crazy with the whigs to kind
of maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Really maybe some really really long nails that are.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, just to throw people.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I mean, that was the big takeaway from Mega Michael's
Netflix show is like the only thing she said about
the Royal family is that she couldn't really fit in
because she couldn't wear beige pantyhose every day. And I
was like, I one hundred percent think that you severed
your ties with the Royal family with her panty hose,
Like women can't live like that. So either way, Kate
Middleton looks great. People on the internet are crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Just another day.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. Guys,
now Spillers, We've got a favor to ask you. If
you love our show, can you please rate and comment
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sharing the content that we love with you. This bill
is produced by Manisha Zwarren with sound production by Scott Stronik.
(30:15):
We'll see you back here in your podcast feed with
all the celeb headlines at eight am tomorrow with Morning Tea,
and then back for another episode of the Spill at
three pm.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Bye Bye,
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