April 30, 2025 • 30 mins
On the show today, Farmer Wants A Wife is back on our screens and we have some thoughts on this new cast.
Plus, Kim Kardashian is not having a good weekend, and 10 men who orchestrated an attack against her are going to trial. One of the men has given a detailed account of what happened to Kim and you truly won’t believe this story.
Plus, Kanye West has given a bizarre new interview and name dropped some incredibly famous people including Paris Hilton. And it all just goes to show how powerful he really is.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to
The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick
and I'm Killian mccaren. Coming up on the show today,
(00:33):
Kim Kardashian is having one hell of a week, Like
she's normally a busy lady, but things have gone a
little bit off the rails. This week, we're going to
get into a wild book that was written about her
and how it ties into a court case that's happening now.
Plus some truly crazy things that Kanye West has said
involving Paris Hilton. I know, shocking, shocking, That's the first
(00:53):
thing he said to me on our call this morning.
So no, but I'm saying like shocking is in like
a sarcastic way whole I can't believe he's been saying
wild things. Oh, I'm just weirdly still shocked by can
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Know, so I feel like he could not shock me
at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So we're going to get into that.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But first, in case you missed it, Farmer It's a
Wife has returned to our screens, and Laura, funnily enough,
I didn't miss it because my nanny has been watching
the reruns like during the day, so I've been watching
it with her at the agecare home.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Oh that's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's quite wholesome as well.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So many people in our audience in particular are so
invested in Farmer Wants a Wife because I think it's
the reality show you watch if you want an actual
little bit of romance and not seeing people kind of
get ripped apart on screen.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, you were telling me off air as well that
it's got the highest rate of like marriage and babies.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's got the highest rate out of any reality TV series,
but people actually staying together, getting married and having babies. Like,
so many babies have come from this reality TV show.
What a cute little I know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Sorry, So it's return to our screens with only four cowboys,
though this year usually they have eight or more.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Cowboys. Well I call them cowboys.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You're like, they're not cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They look like cowboys. They look like I mean cowboys, farmers.
Great cowboy like you.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Know, for the it is to pick her over And
this year Laura I've decided that, well, you would be quite.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Funny on that show.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Both of us would be, because we would be so
wildly kicked off within twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I have picked you a farmer, though, and his name
is Thomas.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I was like, you know, I had a little look
at the men involved, but I haven't delved deep. Oh
she's showing me. She's not showing me at.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Your husband, a farmer who wants a wife.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh. I mean he's very I do wonder how tall
he is. That's what I always want. But he's got
a very nice face. So Laura, well tell me why
you picked him.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Because you are my friend, I think of these things.
He is one hundred and ninety five centimeters tall. Okay,
did I do research?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I love that. That's also the first thing that you looked.
Just for listeners. I know you can't tell them the videos.
I'm sitting down, I'm really tall.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I'm tall and she makes me look short. Yeah, she
is a tall lady. How tall are you?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Five to eleven? I'm not six foot yet? Yeah, I said,
I one eighty four eighty five. I feel like I
lieed my license, but sure, Okay, so you're about ten
centimeters shorter than him. Fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
That's he that you were dainty, You're graceful, you're dainty,
you're a short lady.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
He's also thirty five important. Yeah, I mean you're not
a sprinchet. Not that there's anything wrong you'reng with age
gap related.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I feel thirty five is good for me.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, that's what I think. You just don't strike me.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You just don't have much tolerance for silliness with people.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, and emotional immaturity.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And I just feel like you, let's cut out the
potential of silliness. Yeah, and have a slightly older so
hopefully more.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Mature, slightly more mature young man.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Young man. He's strong and silent, which I thought would
be good because.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Because I talk enough for two people. Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yes, So we don't want to chatterbox. Otherwise no one
will ever sleep, nothing will ever get done.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And he says, I love living on the farm, freedom,
open spaces, sunrise, sunsets, but it would be nice to
share it with someone else. Now, this is where I
feel like we have an issue because I feel like sunrise,
I just feel like you wouldn't enjoy most of.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That I like a sunrise. I've only ever seen one
pretty much ever. I think coming like home, yeah, no,
coming home on a Sunday, yeah okay. And I love
a sunset because I feel like that's when when darkness
falls and when your life really gets going.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Telling Cope and the whereas he's probably like, oh, sunset,
gotta get the cattle to bed. Then I've got to
rest my head to myself because I got to go
to get up at the crackerdor to milk the cow.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Maybe that would work out for us, because I'm assuming
this man's been living on his farm for thirty five
years and he's set in his ways, and I'm very
set in my ways of living alone in my apartment.
So maybe the fact that we'll only have like a
good two hour crossover will work well for us. It'll
be like a long distance relationship, but we'll both be
on them.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You would have to live five hundred kilometers inland from Adelaide.
Of all places, I mean out Australia country. No winery
in sight. I want to smell it.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I was gonna say there's not wineries are there?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They're closer to the coast.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Oh okay, we are in I could go on a
farm like maybe I can make it, you know thoms
where you see like a city lady used to a
small town and falls and you are not sit a lady.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You are Russell Quit, you are you are me. They
could make a comedy reality show about us and literally
the simple life, except like Pobo version. Yes, either of
us are rich living in the country. It would there
would be squealing, they would be mud. You wouldn't farewell
(05:43):
with the hair situation. I'm sure no hairdressers in the
town do extensions.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
No, no, well, I mean, look, I have my extensions
out the moments. I'm on low maintenance scale. I'd be
okay with the mud. I don't want to do a
huge amount of physical labor, and I feel like the situation, well,
that's true. I'm a good cook. I can't bake. I
feel like a farmer's wife should be able to bake.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's very trad I'm really sure that they're more progressive these.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I mean, I could do it aesthetically like Narro Smith,
And to be honest, I don't think she really knows
how to cook either, so we maybe be on. I
don't want to have a real rodent phobia. I can't
see a mouse or a rat. Like there's whole areas
of Sydney I don't walk through because I know where
the rats are in Sydney and I can't make eye
contact with one.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I feel like you're probably more likely to see a
rat in Sydney if I'm honest.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh no, But don't they live in like barns and stuff?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why are you going into the barn?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, you're right, I would not you live.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Thomas is out milking the cows, so you can have
a nice Bailey's tipple with your fresh milk at the
end of the day, churn you some buttered to put
on the bread, and you will be in silence because
you're in the middle of nowhere, so your podcast studio
will be all set up.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You're good to go. All right, well, Paul Thomas, and
will tell me if you're you're actually watching like you've
seen a lot of the show, like any viewers who haven't.
Are you? Have you seen anything from Thomas that meet?
Is he your fave or do you have an but
the other one is not my fave? But he's good
for you? No, but none of.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Them are good for me?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Or you really well, the other.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Options are Farmer Jared, who's twenty one. Absolutely not and sorry,
don't know why is farmer Jared wanting a wife?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You're twenty one years old, you've just finished skill.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well well I know, but it's like when some people
on the Bachelor and they're just like twenty three and
I have yet to find love. I'm scared I'm never
going to find someone.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Just tutronizing old bitches.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's just like, oh, yeah, darling, come spake to me
when you're in your thirties or forty.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well exactly. Well, they probably just know that this is
the show where people actually do find a wife. That's
why they're signing up early to kill the ground floor.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Farmer Tom is thirty one. I just still feel like
for you, thirty one's a little bit like he's only
just entered his thirty thirties.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, but also I think it's more personality based, Like
if guy's got a bad personality at thirty six, it's
not all like thirty five, it's not going to make
it that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
To be fair, Farmer Tom would be my second runner up.
Oh he does have a nice one. Looks like a
good time. Farmer Cory twenty four.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
No, I would feel a little bit intense about that.
I feel like I was in like an Aicul Kimmen
and Hathaway movie and not which hot Actually, I don't
know the big pop culture turned at the moment. So
maybe we can make that work.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Do you know what I reckon that you and Jared
I'm changing. You're changing your mind changing because farmer Jared
actually kind of looks like Thomas's twin.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh it's not the same man, Yeah, exactly, they look
exactly the same man. That is a different man. Oh,
so maybe let's switch to farmer Jared.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Twenty one and oh my god, we've a few minutes
and I've already backflipped on which farmer. I'm like the
scarlet lady of the Australian farmer's community of jumping from
man to man. Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Young men are very progressive these days? Yeah, See, farmer
Thomas Old probably wants a wife at home. Farmer Jared,
I reckon more progressive with him. He would be fine
with you living in the city long distancing it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look hopefully it's on Channel seven if you watch. I
was gonna say, we I don't let this put you
off guys. The ladies I actually have on the show
seemed very in love with these farmers. It's all very
you know, lovey dovey intents. Has been like a few
little light scandals of people leaving the show, which is.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Because it's a light scandle I think that's a bigger
scandal the show's they ever had well.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, exactly, I know they've had a few, and they've
had a few, becau at the end of the day,
it's sill reality. It's still there to be like super entertaining.
But yes, Farmer Wants a Wife is on Monday and
Tuesday nights on Channel seven. And you've been watching it
on on.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The reruns, Yes, on the catch up.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't even know how it works, but they rerun
things through the day on the television.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So it's on seven plus as well.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So it's been nearly a decade since Kim Kardashian was
held at gunpoint in Paris. It's so weird to say
it's ten years because I weirdly remember that so clearly.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I remember thinking it was a hoax or like part
of the show Christian or had said it up really yeah,
but then I saw her talking about it, and I
was like, oh, no, that poor girl.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's actually really traumatic.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's so interesting because I didn't like an entertainment journalism
at the time, so I wasn't like looking at this
for it and I didn't really know that much about
the Kardashians at the time, Like I hadn't watched the show.
I didn't really know I lived in a Kardashian free world.
Can you imagine, because now I can't imagine, But I
do remember like thinking it was a big story, which
it was, just because like you know, she's one of
the most famous women in the world. She was held
at gunpoint, all the police reports.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That she was in a bathtub.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, it was a whole situation.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And I still don't know how they got in Like, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
We now know because it's actually going to trial this week.
So there are twelve men who were originally charged in
the case, and this week ten of them are going
to trial, and Kim Kardashian is going to Paris to testify.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh the poor thing.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing too. It Like I
think that's why it really resonated with me at the time,
because I remember hearing some of the calls and seeing
some of the footage around the police calls at the time,
and it's like quite horrific. And there's that video because
she was married to Kanye West at the time and
they had I think the two oldest kids at the time,
and there's footage of Kanye on stage and someone walks
out to him and he's like, I've got to go
and just runs off stage. Everyone was so angry, but
(10:47):
he'd just been told that Kim had been held at gunpoint.
He didn't know what happened. So what happened is that
it was in twenty sixteen, Kim and Courtney and Kendall
were all in Paris for fashion Week. They'd been to
a whole bunch of fashion shows. They were out partying
together and Kim went back to her hotel room alone
and what she says now, which is quite chilling, is
(11:07):
that well, this had been in the works for years.
Is particular group of robbers had been monitoring all the
jewelry that she showed on social media.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Because the thing is as well about, like more so
than other celebrities. Even a Kardashian would be so hard
to rob because of the amount of security and also
just attention that they get constant.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, exactly. So they're usually in like their gated community
in Calabasas, so you have to get through the gates.
So it definitely was like, oh, I like her necklace. Yeah,
they had been following for a long time. And then
Kim Kardashian talks about the fact, and you can see
that she's really like obviously self blaming and really like
harden herself over what happened, which is ridiculous cause yeah, exactly.
So she went back to hotel which was like more
like a tiny little boutique hotel, not like one of
(11:47):
the big security ones that you can go to where
we've got to like go through like different security levels
to get to the room. It was one of those
little kind of like stone hotel rooms, like old school locks,
one concierge like at the front counter kind of thing.
And she was snapchatting that she was home alone in
the hotel room to the followers and being like, my
sisters are out partying, but I've come back. I'm going
to chill, I'm gonna go to bed. We had such
(12:08):
a beautiful day in Paris, and so the robbers saw
that and they broke in the hotel. They held the
concierge downstairs, like held him hostage. Went up to the room,
and the concierge said that all of a sudden, all
these masks men just burst into the room. They like,
tell us where the rapper's wife is, because that's what
they were calling Kim Kardashian. And what happened in the
room is you hear Kim Kardashian give interviews about it,
(12:29):
like she was on a talk show with David let
Himan a few years ago, and hearing her account of
it is quite intense.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
They kept on saying the ring, the ring, and I
was just so startled. I was like, you know what,
like it didn't compute to me for a minute. And
then the guy goes the ring and I had put
it up by the side of my bed, so I
handed him my ring and then he grabbed me. And
I was wearing a robe and I wasn't wearing anything
under it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No no, no, no, no no, no, all right, who
want to ruin my makeup? It's fine, The makeup is fine, okay.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And he grabbed me and pulled me towards him. But
I wasn't wearing anything underneath, so I was like Okay,
this is like the time I'm going to get raped,
Like just deal, like this is it's going to happen,
you know, like.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Just prepare yourself. That is just so awful.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, and for people to know as well, and for
it to be so public that you have to live
through it constantly again and again when people are bringing
it up and everyone remembers like it, there's just so
many layers of how awful that is.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, And also people have been trying to get
interviews from her this week just because it is finally
going to this huge trial and it's.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Like this is just ongoing. It's a decade later, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, well, I guess it took that long to find
the amount of people because they arrested people on the
day in the day after, but there was a lot
of people who had given intel, people who had set
up behind the scenes. It's like there's pretty much a
whole ring of people that are all going to trial
this week. And Kim Kardashian has said for her lawyer
that she's saving all of her comments at the moment
for like the court case and for her testimony, so
not going to say anything leading up to it, which
(14:12):
I totally understand.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Because it's in Paris not the US. It won't be
public the way that they record.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, it won't be like live stream like some of
the other cases in LA and stuff. But I'm sure
we'll kind of get that, yeah, yeah, exactly after like
going through something like that. So it was the biggest
robbery of an individual in France for more than twenty
years before it had happened. The men who did it
have been nicknamed the Grandpa Robbers because they're all born
in the nineteen fifties, so they like meant to be
like older men, which has kind of become like their
(14:40):
street name.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So how long did it go for?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So it is that two years build up. Then the
whole thing only lasted for about ten minutes, which again
is another criticism. I've heard people like, oh, she's going
on and on, it was only ten minutes. Ten minutes
is a long time. I feel like someone coming into
your hotel room with guns, tying you up, saying they
were going to kill you. It doesn't matter if it's
ten minutes or ten hours, like pretty that is horrid.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
About how long that would be in a movie. If
you're watching a tent scene in a movie. Ten minutes
is a bloody long time, let alone to live through it, exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And there was no one else in the room with her,
so normally she'd have her bodyguard, but because she was
back at the hotel, she told the bodyguard it was
okay to go out, so the morning guard had gone
back to join Courtney at the club. And when you
hear Kim's account of this, she kept saying, like over
and over again, because she was sharing a room with Courtney,
She's like, they're going to kill me, and they're going
to shoot me, and my dead body's going to be
left here and Courtney's going to come back and find it.
(15:27):
So she has had that stress of, like Courtney, living
through that kind of trauma. So it's all pretty terrible.
One interesting thing that's happening in the trial that's happening
this week is that one of the men who was involved,
Eunice Abbess, who's a Frenchman, is one of the only
suspects who has admitted like full guilt to the situation.
And he is the only one who is going to
take the stand and actually say yes, I was involved
(15:50):
in this, I take full responsibility and I'll apologize and
I'm going to be really mean my apology.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Oh you're not though, are you.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The reason he has to say that is that this
is one of the men who can't be like, no, no, no,
I have nothing to do with this, because this man
in twenty twenty one, released a book called I Kidnapped
Kim Kardashian. It's really hard to get around it once
you've done that. Who on Earth published that book? A
French company published it, so he like co authored. Nice,
it's a full We touched on it when it came
out on the spill, but like the fact that that
(16:18):
book exists is like still one of the craziest things
that's ever happened. He did a full press tour. He
wrote a book about kidnapping Kim Kardashian. He wrote a
book about what happened then either the robbery, and then
he did a full press tour. And you can still
buy the book I Kidnapped Kim Kardashian. It's out there
in the world. That's awful. Yeah, it's pretty bad. But
also this man, I mean, I feel one of the
reasons he kind of feels okay talking about it is
(16:39):
that he just wasn't the mastermind. He sounds like the
dumbest criminal ever.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Hopefully he can't profit off that though.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Well, I think there are some sort of laws around
what you can and cannot profit of. But I feel
like indirectly he must have had some must you know.
And he also want on a whole press tour for it,
and there was a whole thing, so I feel like
there must be something so in the book, which I
haven't read the full thing, but I have read a
lot of it, like on an online copy, just because
it is wild. He said that they had like someone
from Kim Kardashian's team was like leaking information to them
(17:07):
several weeks before they arrived in Paris, and they found
out where they were staying, and they all went there
on bikes because he's like, there's no parking, And I
was like, I love how like Paris is like so
intense and even when you're conducting.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
A crime, there is like you have to pedal.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, like the biggest problem is no parking. So they
all biked there, and they also thought the bikes would
be very kind of quick and discreet. So he said
he actually stayed downstairs and he was laughing when he
was there because he had heard the Kardashians talking like
through the Great Mine about how private and secret the
hotel was, and he's like, when I got there, I
was laughing because everyone I know in Paris delivers drugs
(17:44):
to this hotel. It's regularly raided by police, and a
lot of the robbers in his party actually were dressed
like police when they first walked in. That's why the
concierge didn't stop them. And the reason he said they
were dressed as police is they knew that a lot
of drug trade happened in the hotel and so it
got raided very regularly, and so they dressed as police
they would be able to get in the front door,
which actually worked. So he didn't actually go into the room,
(18:05):
which is one of the other reasons that I think
he's gone on this big press too, because he's like,
I didn't tie her up. I stay down stairs and
held the receptionist at gunpoint. I just had a gun
at the dude's head. I didn't go in. I wasn't
that involved. Don't put me in jail. Well, here's the thing,
when everyone was One of the things he writes about
in the book, and also one of the things that
he got asked about when he was doing his big
interview circuit was like, you one of the men who
(18:26):
was like holding guns at people's heads in the hotel,
and he is not me. I would never I didn't
even learn to shoot. I don't like it. He's like,
apparently our accomplices were armed, but I had no idea
about that. I didn't find out till later. And then,
my goodness, so he said, once the robbery had happened
and they came back downstairs, and they said that Kim
Kardashian was still up in the hotel room and was
(18:48):
tied up. Some of them set up on foot, but
he jumped back on a bike, and he said he
had a really guilty conscience at the time, and he
was starting to doubt himself. And he had also been
like past one of the bags that had the jewelry
in it, and as he rode away from the hotel,
he started to get like quite upset, and then he
realized that there was a phone ringing inside the backpack,
(19:09):
and he pulled out the phone and realized they had
accidentally taken Kim Kardashian's phone. So he's got Kim Kardashian's
ringing phone and someone's calling it, and the person calling it,
I'm not laughing because I just don't think Kim Kardashian's
been held at gunpoint is funny anyway. But this man
is just so ridiculous. It was Tracy Chapman, the singer,
calling to like chat to Kim. So he looked at
the phone and like threw it into a river, the
(19:30):
ring phone and all at the same time, threw like
half her jewelry into the river. And he had gloves on.
But he said the way they found him was that.
So he's robbed Kim Kardashian. He's got her phone, Tracy
Chapman's calling, He's freaking out. He's throwing Kim Kardashian's priceless
jewels all over Paris. He's biking. He's accidentally left his
DNA at the scene, which is how they found him.
He gets home, his wife is like, where were you
(19:52):
and he's like nowhere. They have a huge fight. They
go to bed, angry.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
He was with Kim kut it's not funny, but he's like,
I was with Kim Kardashian. So she's like, you weren't
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
No, he didn't tell his wife and they went to
bed angry, and the next morning, of course, all over
the news Kim Kardashian's been held at gunpoint and he's
and his wife was like, was that you? Did you
do that? So this man's from the pain himself as
a really like bad now I didn't like, but also
a badass.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, not in a good way, but like a criminal,
I should say, because like, no, if Luke didn't come
home one night and then the next day there was
a big crime, not a chance, but I think that
guy had done anything.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, exactly. Well, also he must have been wrapped up
in some pretty bad shade up exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
If your wife turns on the TV in the morning
see that one of the most famous women in the
world has been robbed at gunpoint a few streets away
from you, she turns to her husband and be like,
I know it was you. I know it was you.
Smell it and he was like, no, it wasn't me,
it wasn't me. And then the police knocked the door
and arrested him, and then he wrote a book about it.
So yeah, so that book is out in the world.
So he's the one who's like in the lead up
to this is like I'm gonna say sorry on the stand,
(20:55):
and I don't want to put words in Kim Kardashian's mouth,
but I just don't think that's gonna make her feel
any better.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
No, I don't think sorry, we'll ever cut it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, especially after you've done, like you've profited off it,
you're still giving into.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Regardless you robbed her, Yeah, you were conspired to hurt
her like that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You can't forgive that, yeah, exactly. So the trial is
gonna be unfolding me.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Just like forgiveness is the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And I'm like, I don't care how long it's been,
no one's ever getting forgiven for any of them.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I don't know how you would. I do want to,
like there's some sort of closure of her, like, and
I still don't know if she's like physically going or
if she's gonna like do like a zoozoom or something
like that. But I think either way, knowing that the
ten men who were on trial, either the ones that
came into the room or the ones that orchestrated it,
like even just being on a like a conference call
and like giving your side the story would be really
traumatizing also just to relive it after ten years exactly
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because there are so many scenes in Keeping Up with the
Kardashians where you see her just breaking down like sobbing
and shaking, like and she had nightmares for weeks and
all that sort of stuff, and I'm sure, like we're
not even seeing the extent of what happened, and even
the fact that she did wear jewelry for years because
she felt like she was being punished for being too materialistic,
which obviously I know, like the Takatashians are materialistic things
(22:07):
that you deserve to get robbed, absolutely not. So yes,
that trial is happening this week after ten years, and
I'm sure we'll have sort of more information about it,
but also I just hope it gives Kim some closure.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And because it already wasn't a tough enough week for Kim.
Kanye's been on the blower again.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, he keeps getting like goes back on his social
media platforms and he gets banned, and then Elon Musk
takes Twitter slash x back and it gets put back on.
So it's a whole back and forth. But recently he
was on ad Digital nas live stream where he was
just pretty much asked to give his opinion on everything
under the sun. And he is in one of his
like oversharing moments, so he didn't hold back oversharing slash cooked.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, I think that oversharing comes across as like, oh,
they're just like a little bit quirky, they're oversharing a
little bit. He basically said that he wondered what it
would have been like to have babies with Paris Hilton
instead of Kim Karashian, which I'm sure for well, Paris
Hilton would have been like, oh, Kim Karashian and the
children that they share. Not a great thing to hear.
(23:08):
Probably not surprising at this point, but not a great thing.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I mean, yeah, he said it's awful to say, but
he's said a lot worse terrible. But I think why
this is making so many headlines and it's pushing his
like all these kind of outburst he's having back into
the spotlight, is that not only did he say that,
but he went through this like really in depth plan
of why he should have had kids with Paris, which
is weird. Yeah, exactly. So basically he was saying, like
Kim used to be a Paras Hilton's assistant. He's like
(23:32):
and basically inferring that you don't go for the assistant
and that she would still be an assistant if he
if Kanya hadn't come in and like plucked her from obscurity,
and also talking about the fact that he really.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
The Kardashi into was already a thing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, he's full of it. I mean again, he said
worse things. But this is the whole kind of thing
where he's going back and like reconstructing this whole big
story around this, like and he's very topic romance.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He's just like making up these alternative storylines that absolutely
never happened and wouldn't have happened exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And one of the things too, I mean, like I
honestly feel like Paris Silton would just see this and
be like, you know whatever, She would see it and
go ell yeah, as f as f exactly what I
think would be Like one of the really hurtful things
for Kim Kardashian while she's already having this terrible week
having to like relive the robbery after ten years, is
that Kanye West is saying in this clip that he
(24:22):
knew after being with her for only two months that
he never wanted to have children with her, And after
they had Northwest, he's like pretty much saying that he
wished they didn't have any more children, which they went
on to have three more children, so they have North
and then Saint and then Chicago and then Psalm is
their youngest.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I just cannot imagine how hurtful that is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, for the children in particular.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think that Kim is probably just so used to
him at this point, and she probably thinks in her
head too, or she didn't have kids with you because
you're a lunatic. But for him to say that, he's
saying basically that he wishes his children didn't exist.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, it's a weird thing because for a really long
time there, even after like Kim and Kane had their
whole big breakout. I remember when this first started happening,
when he first started sort of blowing up on different
social platforms and was saying a lot of really awful
things about the Kardashian family, particularly Kim Kardashian, and then
he went to Wyoming and it was all blowing up,
and then Kim Kardashian put up a statement and in
(25:17):
that statement, she said, like, mental health is such a
real thing, and he has bipolar disorder, and please give
us some space. And then that all happened. But then
they sort of came back to this place where they
appeared at least to be co parenting, like he was
still on Keeping Up with the Kardashians or the Kardashians
once it was rebranded, because he was in that episode
where Kim Kardashian's whole sex tape storyline came up again,
(25:38):
and there's like footage of Karne like flying to retrieve
the sex tape and like to stop it being redistributed
and then flying back to New York and giving it
to her, So that's all there. There's footage of him
like coming to the house in a fire truck to
pick the kids up and go to school, and on
the show, Kim is like, we're just trying to be
co parenting and like trying to keep everything, yeah, to
keep everything. So that kind of happened for a few years,
(25:59):
and then things started to sort of blow up again
in a really intense way, and a lot of it
happened when Kim started dating Pete davids Remember Pete Davidson
and Kanye West were having a really public back and
forth yes when Kanye was saying stuff about get away
from my wife, and Pete was replying to him being like,
can't talk. I'm in bed with your wife.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Just like Poke the Bear, but also kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm a little bit antagonistic sometimes, so I kind of
would probably, well.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff going on
behind the scenes that we're only seeing. And then Kanye
was putting up statements saying they've taken my children away,
and underneath Kim Kardashians in the comments saying you picked
the kids up from school this morning, you saw them
on the weekend. Please stop saying this like it, because it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Would also be so scary for her to be reading
that and thinking, I've been leaving these children alone with
you and this is your narrative, Well, what's real in
your head?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That was a story the other day that came out
a lot of it's allegations because Kim Kardashian has kept
saying now that she's just trying not to talk about
it publicly as much, which it was very yeah, because
of the kids, but obviously hard to keep it out
of headlines. When all this stuff is happening. But she
knew that Northwest was at Kanye's house and she heard
that's like a lot of really not great men, to
be honest, where over there hanging out. So then she
(27:08):
got in the car and joyer over and had to
like pull north out, and that like pulled this thing.
So there's such a famous family and so much of
their livelihood depends on us seeing the ins and outs
of like this glamorous life and the terrible things that happened.
But this side of it feels very much like the
side they desperately want to keep hidden. And I think
as a viewer, you want it to be hidden because
he doesn't want to know that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And yeah, like anyone that does enjoy hearing about those things,
it's just so voyeuristic in the worst way possible. And
because I think that it's been going on for so long,
how long can he and other people around him, the
enablers basically call this use the mental health cart.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well that's the thing is it's not good enough. But
I just don't know, Like it's just like this circle
with Knee West and like where he is in pop
culture and fame that feels like there's no end in
sight to it, because he's lost all of his brand deals,
He's been sued so many times, he's been dropped by
so many companies, He's lost so many of his famous friends.
He released a list the other day of people who
have wronged him and on there with the Kardashians, he
(28:09):
also said my kids. But it was like jay Z
and all these other famous names, so pretty much everyone
who were you know for a long time that he
was regarded as one of the greatest musicians in the world,
and a lot of people in the music industry now
because of all this stuff he said that's been really
graphic and anti semitic, and all this sort of stuff
has like been so disturbing that like the industry's turned
(28:29):
away from him, all his brands have turned away from him,
his famous friends, it seems like all of his family.
But because he still has so much money and he
still has such an intense fan base, it's like he
can never be canceled or like taken out the spotlight
because he's got his own spotlight. Like he's actually that's
the thing is that he's not reliant on any sort
of traditional media and.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Face anyone in particular.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, and he could really, I mean, he has released
new music, and as much as it doesn't get like
as much radio play and that sort of stuff as
it used to, Like, there's stwn so many fans, yeah,
who will buy his music. So it's an interesting thing
to watch from the outside of seeing this person sort
of demolish their own career and their family but still
be held up on this kind of pedestal, just because
I think goes to show that when you build her
(29:10):
own platform of fame like you do become untouchable. Yep.
So yeah, I mean, not a good week for Kim Kardashian,
no overall, but.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, maybe I'll set her up with one of these farmers.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, I'll share with Kimkadashian. Will you share, Thomas?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Probably yes? Actually no, let's she's going to go for
the young and the Jared.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I find Kim Kardashian very entertaining. I've got to say,
I actually don't have like a lot of ill will
towards her. Otherwise I wouldn't watch The Kardashians. But I
did find it was actually kind of sweet. Towards the
end of the last season of The Kardashians that she's
rebuilding that mausoleum house she lives in. She's rebuilding it,
I'm assuming because she built it with Carnee, and maybe
she just wants a fresh start.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Maybe she wanted sinks that were sinks.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah that actually worked that bathroom as well. But she's
building a his in her closet and bathroom because she
wants to live for hope that she's going to fall
in love again and she just hasn't met her person yet.
And I just actually think that's really sweet, also very relatable. Yeah, exactly,
She's just like, I just haven't met my person yet,
and I'm like, yeah, I feel but that does another
one to come. Exactly, there's always someone else.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, thanks so much for listening, and thanks so much
for having me on the pod again, Laura.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
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Speaker 2 (30:20):
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Speaker 1 (30:24):
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Kimball with audio production by Scott Stronik. And we'll see
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So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
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The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick
and I'm Killian mccaren. Coming up on the show today,
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Kim Kardashian is having one hell of a week, Like
she's normally a busy lady, but things have gone a
little bit off the rails. This week, we're going to
get into a wild book that was written about her
and how it ties into a court case that's happening now.
Plus some truly crazy things that Kanye West has said
involving Paris Hilton. I know, shocking, shocking, That's the first
(00:53):
thing he said to me on our call this morning.
So no, but I'm saying like shocking is in like
a sarcastic way whole I can't believe he's been saying
wild things. Oh, I'm just weirdly still shocked by can
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Know, so I feel like he could not shock me
at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So we're going to get into that.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But first, in case you missed it, Farmer It's a
Wife has returned to our screens, and Laura, funnily enough,
I didn't miss it because my nanny has been watching
the reruns like during the day, so I've been watching
it with her at the agecare home.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Oh that's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's quite wholesome as well.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So many people in our audience in particular are so
invested in Farmer Wants a Wife because I think it's
the reality show you watch if you want an actual
little bit of romance and not seeing people kind of
get ripped apart on screen.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, you were telling me off air as well that
it's got the highest rate of like marriage and babies.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's got the highest rate out of any reality TV series,
but people actually staying together, getting married and having babies. Like,
so many babies have come from this reality TV show.
What a cute little I know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Sorry, So it's return to our screens with only four cowboys,
though this year usually they have eight or more.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Cowboys. Well I call them cowboys.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You're like, they're not cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They look like cowboys. They look like I mean cowboys, farmers.
Great cowboy like you.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Know, for the it is to pick her over And
this year Laura I've decided that, well, you would be quite.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Funny on that show.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Both of us would be, because we would be so
wildly kicked off within twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I have picked you a farmer, though, and his name
is Thomas.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I was like, you know, I had a little look
at the men involved, but I haven't delved deep. Oh
she's showing me. She's not showing me at.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Your husband, a farmer who wants a wife.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh. I mean he's very I do wonder how tall
he is. That's what I always want. But he's got
a very nice face. So Laura, well tell me why
you picked him.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Because you are my friend, I think of these things.
He is one hundred and ninety five centimeters tall. Okay,
did I do research?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I love that. That's also the first thing that you looked.
Just for listeners. I know you can't tell them the videos.
I'm sitting down, I'm really tall.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I'm tall and she makes me look short. Yeah, she
is a tall lady. How tall are you?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Five to eleven? I'm not six foot yet? Yeah, I said,
I one eighty four eighty five. I feel like I
lieed my license, but sure, Okay, so you're about ten
centimeters shorter than him. Fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
That's he that you were dainty, You're graceful, you're dainty,
you're a short lady.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
He's also thirty five important. Yeah, I mean you're not
a sprinchet. Not that there's anything wrong you'reng with age
gap related.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I feel thirty five is good for me.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, that's what I think. You just don't strike me.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You just don't have much tolerance for silliness with people.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, and emotional immaturity.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And I just feel like you, let's cut out the
potential of silliness. Yeah, and have a slightly older so
hopefully more.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Mature, slightly more mature young man.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Young man. He's strong and silent, which I thought would
be good because.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Because I talk enough for two people. Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yes, So we don't want to chatterbox. Otherwise no one
will ever sleep, nothing will ever get done.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And he says, I love living on the farm, freedom,
open spaces, sunrise, sunsets, but it would be nice to
share it with someone else. Now, this is where I
feel like we have an issue because I feel like sunrise,
I just feel like you wouldn't enjoy most of.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That I like a sunrise. I've only ever seen one
pretty much ever. I think coming like home, yeah, no,
coming home on a Sunday, yeah okay. And I love
a sunset because I feel like that's when when darkness
falls and when your life really gets going.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Telling Cope and the whereas he's probably like, oh, sunset,
gotta get the cattle to bed. Then I've got to
rest my head to myself because I got to go
to get up at the crackerdor to milk the cow.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Maybe that would work out for us, because I'm assuming
this man's been living on his farm for thirty five
years and he's set in his ways, and I'm very
set in my ways of living alone in my apartment.
So maybe the fact that we'll only have like a
good two hour crossover will work well for us. It'll
be like a long distance relationship, but we'll both be
on them.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You would have to live five hundred kilometers inland from Adelaide.
Of all places, I mean out Australia country. No winery
in sight. I want to smell it.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I was gonna say there's not wineries are there?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They're closer to the coast.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Oh okay, we are in I could go on a
farm like maybe I can make it, you know thoms
where you see like a city lady used to a
small town and falls and you are not sit a lady.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You are Russell Quit, you are you are me. They
could make a comedy reality show about us and literally
the simple life, except like Pobo version. Yes, either of
us are rich living in the country. It would there
would be squealing, they would be mud. You wouldn't farewell
(05:43):
with the hair situation. I'm sure no hairdressers in the
town do extensions.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
No, no, well, I mean, look, I have my extensions
out the moments. I'm on low maintenance scale. I'd be
okay with the mud. I don't want to do a
huge amount of physical labor, and I feel like the situation, well,
that's true. I'm a good cook. I can't bake. I
feel like a farmer's wife should be able to bake.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's very trad I'm really sure that they're more progressive these.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I mean, I could do it aesthetically like Narro Smith,
And to be honest, I don't think she really knows
how to cook either, so we maybe be on. I
don't want to have a real rodent phobia. I can't
see a mouse or a rat. Like there's whole areas
of Sydney I don't walk through because I know where
the rats are in Sydney and I can't make eye
contact with one.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I feel like you're probably more likely to see a
rat in Sydney if I'm honest.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh no, But don't they live in like barns and stuff?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why are you going into the barn?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, you're right, I would not you live.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Thomas is out milking the cows, so you can have
a nice Bailey's tipple with your fresh milk at the
end of the day, churn you some buttered to put
on the bread, and you will be in silence because
you're in the middle of nowhere, so your podcast studio
will be all set up.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You're good to go. All right, well, Paul Thomas, and
will tell me if you're you're actually watching like you've
seen a lot of the show, like any viewers who haven't.
Are you? Have you seen anything from Thomas that meet?
Is he your fave or do you have an but
the other one is not my fave? But he's good
for you? No, but none of.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Them are good for me?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Or you really well, the other.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Options are Farmer Jared, who's twenty one. Absolutely not and sorry,
don't know why is farmer Jared wanting a wife?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You're twenty one years old, you've just finished skill.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well well I know, but it's like when some people
on the Bachelor and they're just like twenty three and
I have yet to find love. I'm scared I'm never
going to find someone.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Just tutronizing old bitches.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's just like, oh, yeah, darling, come spake to me
when you're in your thirties or forty.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well exactly. Well, they probably just know that this is
the show where people actually do find a wife. That's
why they're signing up early to kill the ground floor.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Farmer Tom is thirty one. I just still feel like
for you, thirty one's a little bit like he's only
just entered his thirty thirties.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, but also I think it's more personality based, Like
if guy's got a bad personality at thirty six, it's
not all like thirty five, it's not going to make
it that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
To be fair, Farmer Tom would be my second runner up.
Oh he does have a nice one. Looks like a
good time. Farmer Cory twenty four.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
No, I would feel a little bit intense about that.
I feel like I was in like an Aicul Kimmen
and Hathaway movie and not which hot Actually, I don't
know the big pop culture turned at the moment. So
maybe we can make that work.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Do you know what I reckon that you and Jared
I'm changing. You're changing your mind changing because farmer Jared
actually kind of looks like Thomas's twin.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh it's not the same man, Yeah, exactly, they look
exactly the same man. That is a different man. Oh,
so maybe let's switch to farmer Jared.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Twenty one and oh my god, we've a few minutes
and I've already backflipped on which farmer. I'm like the
scarlet lady of the Australian farmer's community of jumping from
man to man. Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Young men are very progressive these days? Yeah, See, farmer
Thomas Old probably wants a wife at home. Farmer Jared,
I reckon more progressive with him. He would be fine
with you living in the city long distancing it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look hopefully it's on Channel seven if you watch. I
was gonna say, we I don't let this put you
off guys. The ladies I actually have on the show
seemed very in love with these farmers. It's all very
you know, lovey dovey intents. Has been like a few
little light scandals of people leaving the show, which is.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Because it's a light scandle I think that's a bigger
scandal the show's they ever had well.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, exactly, I know they've had a few, and they've
had a few, becau at the end of the day,
it's sill reality. It's still there to be like super entertaining.
But yes, Farmer Wants a Wife is on Monday and
Tuesday nights on Channel seven. And you've been watching it
on on.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The reruns, Yes, on the catch up.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't even know how it works, but they rerun
things through the day on the television.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So it's on seven plus as well.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So it's been nearly a decade since Kim Kardashian was
held at gunpoint in Paris. It's so weird to say
it's ten years because I weirdly remember that so clearly.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I remember thinking it was a hoax or like part
of the show Christian or had said it up really yeah,
but then I saw her talking about it, and I
was like, oh, no, that poor girl.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's actually really traumatic.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's so interesting because I didn't like an entertainment journalism
at the time, so I wasn't like looking at this
for it and I didn't really know that much about
the Kardashians at the time, Like I hadn't watched the show.
I didn't really know I lived in a Kardashian free world.
Can you imagine, because now I can't imagine, But I
do remember like thinking it was a big story, which
it was, just because like you know, she's one of
the most famous women in the world. She was held
at gunpoint, all the police reports.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That she was in a bathtub.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, it was a whole situation.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And I still don't know how they got in Like, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
We now know because it's actually going to trial this week.
So there are twelve men who were originally charged in
the case, and this week ten of them are going
to trial, and Kim Kardashian is going to Paris to testify.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh the poor thing.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing too. It Like I
think that's why it really resonated with me at the time,
because I remember hearing some of the calls and seeing
some of the footage around the police calls at the time,
and it's like quite horrific. And there's that video because
she was married to Kanye West at the time and
they had I think the two oldest kids at the time,
and there's footage of Kanye on stage and someone walks
out to him and he's like, I've got to go
and just runs off stage. Everyone was so angry, but
(10:47):
he'd just been told that Kim had been held at gunpoint.
He didn't know what happened. So what happened is that
it was in twenty sixteen, Kim and Courtney and Kendall
were all in Paris for fashion Week. They'd been to
a whole bunch of fashion shows. They were out partying
together and Kim went back to her hotel room alone
and what she says now, which is quite chilling, is
(11:07):
that well, this had been in the works for years.
Is particular group of robbers had been monitoring all the
jewelry that she showed on social media.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Because the thing is as well about, like more so
than other celebrities. Even a Kardashian would be so hard
to rob because of the amount of security and also
just attention that they get constant.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, exactly. So they're usually in like their gated community
in Calabasas, so you have to get through the gates.
So it definitely was like, oh, I like her necklace. Yeah,
they had been following for a long time. And then
Kim Kardashian talks about the fact, and you can see
that she's really like obviously self blaming and really like
harden herself over what happened, which is ridiculous cause yeah, exactly.
So she went back to hotel which was like more
like a tiny little boutique hotel, not like one of
(11:47):
the big security ones that you can go to where
we've got to like go through like different security levels
to get to the room. It was one of those
little kind of like stone hotel rooms, like old school locks,
one concierge like at the front counter kind of thing.
And she was snapchatting that she was home alone in
the hotel room to the followers and being like, my
sisters are out partying, but I've come back. I'm going
to chill, I'm gonna go to bed. We had such
(12:08):
a beautiful day in Paris, and so the robbers saw
that and they broke in the hotel. They held the
concierge downstairs, like held him hostage. Went up to the room,
and the concierge said that all of a sudden, all
these masks men just burst into the room. They like,
tell us where the rapper's wife is, because that's what
they were calling Kim Kardashian. And what happened in the
room is you hear Kim Kardashian give interviews about it,
(12:29):
like she was on a talk show with David let
Himan a few years ago, and hearing her account of
it is quite intense.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
They kept on saying the ring, the ring, and I
was just so startled. I was like, you know what,
like it didn't compute to me for a minute. And
then the guy goes the ring and I had put
it up by the side of my bed, so I
handed him my ring and then he grabbed me. And
I was wearing a robe and I wasn't wearing anything
under it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No no, no, no, no no, no, all right, who
want to ruin my makeup? It's fine, The makeup is fine, okay.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And he grabbed me and pulled me towards him. But
I wasn't wearing anything underneath, so I was like Okay,
this is like the time I'm going to get raped,
Like just deal, like this is it's going to happen,
you know, like.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Just prepare yourself. That is just so awful.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, and for people to know as well, and for
it to be so public that you have to live
through it constantly again and again when people are bringing
it up and everyone remembers like it, there's just so
many layers of how awful that is.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, And also people have been trying to get
interviews from her this week just because it is finally
going to this huge trial and it's.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Like this is just ongoing. It's a decade later, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, well, I guess it took that long to find
the amount of people because they arrested people on the
day in the day after, but there was a lot
of people who had given intel, people who had set
up behind the scenes. It's like there's pretty much a
whole ring of people that are all going to trial
this week. And Kim Kardashian has said for her lawyer
that she's saving all of her comments at the moment
for like the court case and for her testimony, so
not going to say anything leading up to it, which
(14:12):
I totally understand.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Because it's in Paris not the US. It won't be
public the way that they record.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, it won't be like live stream like some of
the other cases in LA and stuff. But I'm sure
we'll kind of get that, yeah, yeah, exactly after like
going through something like that. So it was the biggest
robbery of an individual in France for more than twenty
years before it had happened. The men who did it
have been nicknamed the Grandpa Robbers because they're all born
in the nineteen fifties, so they like meant to be
like older men, which has kind of become like their
(14:40):
street name.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So how long did it go for?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So it is that two years build up. Then the
whole thing only lasted for about ten minutes, which again
is another criticism. I've heard people like, oh, she's going
on and on, it was only ten minutes. Ten minutes
is a long time. I feel like someone coming into
your hotel room with guns, tying you up, saying they
were going to kill you. It doesn't matter if it's
ten minutes or ten hours, like pretty that is horrid.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
About how long that would be in a movie. If
you're watching a tent scene in a movie. Ten minutes
is a bloody long time, let alone to live through it, exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And there was no one else in the room with her,
so normally she'd have her bodyguard, but because she was
back at the hotel, she told the bodyguard it was
okay to go out, so the morning guard had gone
back to join Courtney at the club. And when you
hear Kim's account of this, she kept saying, like over
and over again, because she was sharing a room with Courtney,
She's like, they're going to kill me, and they're going
to shoot me, and my dead body's going to be
left here and Courtney's going to come back and find it.
(15:27):
So she has had that stress of, like Courtney, living
through that kind of trauma. So it's all pretty terrible.
One interesting thing that's happening in the trial that's happening
this week is that one of the men who was involved,
Eunice Abbess, who's a Frenchman, is one of the only
suspects who has admitted like full guilt to the situation.
And he is the only one who is going to
take the stand and actually say yes, I was involved
(15:50):
in this, I take full responsibility and I'll apologize and
I'm going to be really mean my apology.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Oh you're not though, are you.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The reason he has to say that is that this
is one of the men who can't be like, no, no, no,
I have nothing to do with this, because this man
in twenty twenty one, released a book called I Kidnapped
Kim Kardashian. It's really hard to get around it once
you've done that. Who on Earth published that book? A
French company published it, so he like co authored. Nice,
it's a full We touched on it when it came
out on the spill, but like the fact that that
(16:18):
book exists is like still one of the craziest things
that's ever happened. He did a full press tour. He
wrote a book about kidnapping Kim Kardashian. He wrote a
book about what happened then either the robbery, and then
he did a full press tour. And you can still
buy the book I Kidnapped Kim Kardashian. It's out there
in the world. That's awful. Yeah, it's pretty bad. But
also this man, I mean, I feel one of the
reasons he kind of feels okay talking about it is
(16:39):
that he just wasn't the mastermind. He sounds like the
dumbest criminal ever.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Hopefully he can't profit off that though.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Well, I think there are some sort of laws around
what you can and cannot profit of. But I feel
like indirectly he must have had some must you know.
And he also want on a whole press tour for it,
and there was a whole thing, so I feel like
there must be something so in the book, which I
haven't read the full thing, but I have read a
lot of it, like on an online copy, just because
it is wild. He said that they had like someone
from Kim Kardashian's team was like leaking information to them
(17:07):
several weeks before they arrived in Paris, and they found
out where they were staying, and they all went there
on bikes because he's like, there's no parking, And I
was like, I love how like Paris is like so
intense and even when you're conducting.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
A crime, there is like you have to pedal.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, like the biggest problem is no parking. So they
all biked there, and they also thought the bikes would
be very kind of quick and discreet. So he said
he actually stayed downstairs and he was laughing when he
was there because he had heard the Kardashians talking like
through the Great Mine about how private and secret the
hotel was, and he's like, when I got there, I
was laughing because everyone I know in Paris delivers drugs
(17:44):
to this hotel. It's regularly raided by police, and a
lot of the robbers in his party actually were dressed
like police when they first walked in. That's why the
concierge didn't stop them. And the reason he said they
were dressed as police is they knew that a lot
of drug trade happened in the hotel and so it
got raided very regularly, and so they dressed as police
they would be able to get in the front door,
which actually worked. So he didn't actually go into the room,
(18:05):
which is one of the other reasons that I think
he's gone on this big press too, because he's like,
I didn't tie her up. I stay down stairs and
held the receptionist at gunpoint. I just had a gun
at the dude's head. I didn't go in. I wasn't
that involved. Don't put me in jail. Well, here's the thing,
when everyone was One of the things he writes about
in the book, and also one of the things that
he got asked about when he was doing his big
interview circuit was like, you one of the men who
(18:26):
was like holding guns at people's heads in the hotel,
and he is not me. I would never I didn't
even learn to shoot. I don't like it. He's like,
apparently our accomplices were armed, but I had no idea
about that. I didn't find out till later. And then,
my goodness, so he said, once the robbery had happened
and they came back downstairs, and they said that Kim
Kardashian was still up in the hotel room and was
(18:48):
tied up. Some of them set up on foot, but
he jumped back on a bike, and he said he
had a really guilty conscience at the time, and he
was starting to doubt himself. And he had also been
like past one of the bags that had the jewelry
in it, and as he rode away from the hotel,
he started to get like quite upset, and then he
realized that there was a phone ringing inside the backpack,
(19:09):
and he pulled out the phone and realized they had
accidentally taken Kim Kardashian's phone. So he's got Kim Kardashian's
ringing phone and someone's calling it, and the person calling it,
I'm not laughing because I just don't think Kim Kardashian's
been held at gunpoint is funny anyway. But this man
is just so ridiculous. It was Tracy Chapman, the singer,
calling to like chat to Kim. So he looked at
the phone and like threw it into a river, the
(19:30):
ring phone and all at the same time, threw like
half her jewelry into the river. And he had gloves on.
But he said the way they found him was that.
So he's robbed Kim Kardashian. He's got her phone, Tracy
Chapman's calling, He's freaking out. He's throwing Kim Kardashian's priceless
jewels all over Paris. He's biking. He's accidentally left his
DNA at the scene, which is how they found him.
He gets home, his wife is like, where were you
(19:52):
and he's like nowhere. They have a huge fight. They
go to bed, angry.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
He was with Kim kut it's not funny, but he's like,
I was with Kim Kardashian. So she's like, you weren't
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
No, he didn't tell his wife and they went to
bed angry, and the next morning, of course, all over
the news Kim Kardashian's been held at gunpoint and he's
and his wife was like, was that you? Did you
do that? So this man's from the pain himself as
a really like bad now I didn't like, but also
a badass.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, not in a good way, but like a criminal,
I should say, because like, no, if Luke didn't come
home one night and then the next day there was
a big crime, not a chance, but I think that
guy had done anything.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, exactly. Well, also he must have been wrapped up
in some pretty bad shade up exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
If your wife turns on the TV in the morning
see that one of the most famous women in the
world has been robbed at gunpoint a few streets away
from you, she turns to her husband and be like,
I know it was you. I know it was you.
Smell it and he was like, no, it wasn't me,
it wasn't me. And then the police knocked the door
and arrested him, and then he wrote a book about it.
So yeah, so that book is out in the world.
So he's the one who's like in the lead up
to this is like I'm gonna say sorry on the stand,
(20:55):
and I don't want to put words in Kim Kardashian's mouth,
but I just don't think that's gonna make her feel
any better.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
No, I don't think sorry, we'll ever cut it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, especially after you've done, like you've profited off it,
you're still giving into.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Regardless you robbed her, Yeah, you were conspired to hurt
her like that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You can't forgive that, yeah, exactly. So the trial is
gonna be unfolding me.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Just like forgiveness is the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And I'm like, I don't care how long it's been,
no one's ever getting forgiven for any of them.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I don't know how you would. I do want to,
like there's some sort of closure of her, like, and
I still don't know if she's like physically going or
if she's gonna like do like a zoozoom or something
like that. But I think either way, knowing that the
ten men who were on trial, either the ones that
came into the room or the ones that orchestrated it,
like even just being on a like a conference call
and like giving your side the story would be really
traumatizing also just to relive it after ten years exactly
(21:46):
because there are so many scenes in Keeping Up with the
Kardashians where you see her just breaking down like sobbing
and shaking, like and she had nightmares for weeks and
all that sort of stuff, and I'm sure, like we're
not even seeing the extent of what happened, and even
the fact that she did wear jewelry for years because
she felt like she was being punished for being too materialistic,
which obviously I know, like the Takatashians are materialistic things
(22:07):
that you deserve to get robbed, absolutely not. So yes,
that trial is happening this week after ten years, and
I'm sure we'll have sort of more information about it,
but also I just hope it gives Kim some closure.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And because it already wasn't a tough enough week for Kim.
Kanye's been on the blower again.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, he keeps getting like goes back on his social
media platforms and he gets banned, and then Elon Musk
takes Twitter slash x back and it gets put back on.
So it's a whole back and forth. But recently he
was on ad Digital nas live stream where he was
just pretty much asked to give his opinion on everything
under the sun. And he is in one of his
like oversharing moments, so he didn't hold back oversharing slash cooked.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, I think that oversharing comes across as like, oh,
they're just like a little bit quirky, they're oversharing a
little bit. He basically said that he wondered what it
would have been like to have babies with Paris Hilton
instead of Kim Karashian, which I'm sure for well, Paris
Hilton would have been like, oh, Kim Karashian and the
children that they share. Not a great thing to hear.
(23:08):
Probably not surprising at this point, but not a great thing.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I mean, yeah, he said it's awful to say, but
he's said a lot worse terrible. But I think why
this is making so many headlines and it's pushing his
like all these kind of outburst he's having back into
the spotlight, is that not only did he say that,
but he went through this like really in depth plan
of why he should have had kids with Paris, which
is weird. Yeah, exactly. So basically he was saying, like
Kim used to be a Paras Hilton's assistant. He's like
(23:32):
and basically inferring that you don't go for the assistant
and that she would still be an assistant if he
if Kanya hadn't come in and like plucked her from obscurity,
and also talking about the fact that he really.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
The Kardashi into was already a thing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, he's full of it. I mean again, he said
worse things. But this is the whole kind of thing
where he's going back and like reconstructing this whole big
story around this, like and he's very topic romance.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He's just like making up these alternative storylines that absolutely
never happened and wouldn't have happened exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And one of the things too, I mean, like I
honestly feel like Paris Silton would just see this and
be like, you know whatever, She would see it and
go ell yeah, as f as f exactly what I
think would be Like one of the really hurtful things
for Kim Kardashian while she's already having this terrible week
having to like relive the robbery after ten years, is
that Kanye West is saying in this clip that he
(24:22):
knew after being with her for only two months that
he never wanted to have children with her, And after
they had Northwest, he's like pretty much saying that he
wished they didn't have any more children, which they went
on to have three more children, so they have North
and then Saint and then Chicago and then Psalm is
their youngest.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I just cannot imagine how hurtful that is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, for the children in particular.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think that Kim is probably just so used to
him at this point, and she probably thinks in her
head too, or she didn't have kids with you because
you're a lunatic. But for him to say that, he's
saying basically that he wishes his children didn't exist.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, it's a weird thing because for a really long
time there, even after like Kim and Kane had their
whole big breakout. I remember when this first started happening,
when he first started sort of blowing up on different
social platforms and was saying a lot of really awful
things about the Kardashian family, particularly Kim Kardashian, and then
he went to Wyoming and it was all blowing up,
and then Kim Kardashian put up a statement and in
(25:17):
that statement, she said, like, mental health is such a
real thing, and he has bipolar disorder, and please give
us some space. And then that all happened. But then
they sort of came back to this place where they
appeared at least to be co parenting, like he was
still on Keeping Up with the Kardashians or the Kardashians
once it was rebranded, because he was in that episode
where Kim Kardashian's whole sex tape storyline came up again,
(25:38):
and there's like footage of Karne like flying to retrieve
the sex tape and like to stop it being redistributed
and then flying back to New York and giving it
to her, So that's all there. There's footage of him
like coming to the house in a fire truck to
pick the kids up and go to school, and on
the show, Kim is like, we're just trying to be
co parenting and like trying to keep everything, yeah, to
keep everything. So that kind of happened for a few years,
(25:59):
and then things started to sort of blow up again
in a really intense way, and a lot of it
happened when Kim started dating Pete davids Remember Pete Davidson
and Kanye West were having a really public back and
forth yes when Kanye was saying stuff about get away
from my wife, and Pete was replying to him being like,
can't talk. I'm in bed with your wife.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Just like Poke the Bear, but also kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm a little bit antagonistic sometimes, so I kind of
would probably, well.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff going on
behind the scenes that we're only seeing. And then Kanye
was putting up statements saying they've taken my children away,
and underneath Kim Kardashians in the comments saying you picked
the kids up from school this morning, you saw them
on the weekend. Please stop saying this like it, because it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Would also be so scary for her to be reading
that and thinking, I've been leaving these children alone with
you and this is your narrative, Well, what's real in
your head?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That was a story the other day that came out
a lot of it's allegations because Kim Kardashian has kept
saying now that she's just trying not to talk about
it publicly as much, which it was very yeah, because
of the kids, but obviously hard to keep it out
of headlines. When all this stuff is happening. But she
knew that Northwest was at Kanye's house and she heard
that's like a lot of really not great men, to
be honest, where over there hanging out. So then she
(27:08):
got in the car and joyer over and had to
like pull north out, and that like pulled this thing.
So there's such a famous family and so much of
their livelihood depends on us seeing the ins and outs
of like this glamorous life and the terrible things that happened.
But this side of it feels very much like the
side they desperately want to keep hidden. And I think
as a viewer, you want it to be hidden because
he doesn't want to know that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And yeah, like anyone that does enjoy hearing about those things,
it's just so voyeuristic in the worst way possible. And
because I think that it's been going on for so long,
how long can he and other people around him, the
enablers basically call this use the mental health cart.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well that's the thing is it's not good enough. But
I just don't know, Like it's just like this circle
with Knee West and like where he is in pop
culture and fame that feels like there's no end in
sight to it, because he's lost all of his brand deals,
He's been sued so many times, he's been dropped by
so many companies, He's lost so many of his famous friends.
He released a list the other day of people who
have wronged him and on there with the Kardashians, he
(28:09):
also said my kids. But it was like jay Z
and all these other famous names, so pretty much everyone
who were you know for a long time that he
was regarded as one of the greatest musicians in the world,
and a lot of people in the music industry now
because of all this stuff he said that's been really
graphic and anti semitic, and all this sort of stuff
has like been so disturbing that like the industry's turned
(28:29):
away from him, all his brands have turned away from him,
his famous friends, it seems like all of his family.
But because he still has so much money and he
still has such an intense fan base, it's like he
can never be canceled or like taken out the spotlight
because he's got his own spotlight. Like he's actually that's
the thing is that he's not reliant on any sort
of traditional media and.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Face anyone in particular.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, and he could really, I mean, he has released
new music, and as much as it doesn't get like
as much radio play and that sort of stuff as
it used to, Like, there's stwn so many fans, yeah,
who will buy his music. So it's an interesting thing
to watch from the outside of seeing this person sort
of demolish their own career and their family but still
be held up on this kind of pedestal, just because
I think goes to show that when you build her
(29:10):
own platform of fame like you do become untouchable. Yep.
So yeah, I mean, not a good week for Kim Kardashian,
no overall, but.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, maybe I'll set her up with one of these farmers.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, I'll share with Kimkadashian. Will you share, Thomas?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Probably yes? Actually no, let's she's going to go for
the young and the Jared.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I find Kim Kardashian very entertaining. I've got to say,
I actually don't have like a lot of ill will
towards her. Otherwise I wouldn't watch The Kardashians. But I
did find it was actually kind of sweet. Towards the
end of the last season of The Kardashians that she's
rebuilding that mausoleum house she lives in. She's rebuilding it,
I'm assuming because she built it with Carnee, and maybe
she just wants a fresh start.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Maybe she wanted sinks that were sinks.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah that actually worked that bathroom as well. But she's
building a his in her closet and bathroom because she
wants to live for hope that she's going to fall
in love again and she just hasn't met her person yet.
And I just actually think that's really sweet, also very relatable. Yeah, exactly,
She's just like, I just haven't met my person yet,
and I'm like, yeah, I feel but that does another
one to come. Exactly, there's always someone else.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, thanks so much for listening, and thanks so much
for having me on the pod again, Laura.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
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Speaker 3 (30:17):
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that we recreated yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Did I find that lying around the office my hat
that I founded?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Indeed I did. And this bill is produced by Amy
Kimball with audio production by Scott Stronik. And we'll see
you back in our feet at three pm tomorrow. Bye bye,
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!