August 26, 2025 • 27 mins
A Gilmore Girls documentary will soon be on our screens, designed to thrill fans of the beloved series who want to return to Stars Hollow. But one of our hosts (who is the show's biggest fan) will be boycotting the release, and we need to tell you why.
Plus, it’s a good day to be Zoë Kravitz, because after months of rumours that she was hooking up with her co-star Austin Butler, it has been revealed that she is in fact, hooking up with Harry Styles. Now, we need to dissect all the new details about their romance.
And Serena Williams has sparked an intense discussion after announcing she is taking a weight-loss medication. There’s a lot more to this story than what you’ve seen in the headlines, and even though it’s an uncomfortable topic, it’s a discussion we need to have.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture thinks.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brednik and I'm Concenu Lukitt.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, we have a
hot new romance that discuss Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles,
although it's not all as it appears, so we're going
to get into that. Also, Serena Williams has launched a
very controversial new brand partnership, and we're going to get
into that because it is a complicated discussion, but we
can't shy away from it.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But first, but first, Okay, Laura, I saw this headline
immediately thought of you, and I thought Laura is going
to be so excited about this. There is going to
be a documentary about Gilmore Girls. Okay, that is not
the silence I was expecting.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I just I don't want to be a kill Joy,
even though that is my personal brand and I should
monetize that in some way. I don't want to be
a killed joy. But I did see this news this morning,
the Gilmore Girls documentary, and as much as I don't
mind that it's going to be in the world and
not saying other people can't watch it, I personally, as
one of the biggest Gilmore Girl fans in the world,
will not be watching it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Okay, all right, Well, I had all these things about
it because I was like, I've got to do all this,
you know, work for Laura to make sure she knows
that I'm across that.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Please, I want to know with you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay. So it's the twenty fifth anniversary in October of
Gilmore Girls, which I'm sure you already know. The documentary
is going to be called Searching for Stars Hollow, Megna
Balakuma and Kevin Conrad Hannah are going to be the directors.
They've got one hundred hours of footage with all of
the cast. But Alexis Blodell doesn't seem to be in
(01:56):
it at this stage.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yes, Alexis Blodell, who played Ruy Gilmore. She opted out
of The Handmaid's Tale final season except for one little
cameo her fan. She hasn't been working for a while.
And the rumor, which has kind of been substantiated and
one of the reasons why Again the Room Memel thinks
that another season of Gilmore Girls isn't being filmed is
because Alexis Bludell broke up with her husband, Vincent krassa
(02:19):
who people would know from Angel I kind of believe
those kids got married and had a son together, but
apparently they got divorced, and so she's taken a lot
of time off. But I think she there's potential that
she'll come back for this.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Hau, Why do you why does this not excite you?
Because I love like a you know, I love a documentary.
I love her behind the scenes, like I think I've
watched every single you know, behind the scenes of Lord
of the Rings or Making of This or Making of Friends,
Like I love that stuff. Like what is it about
(02:50):
it that isn't giving you like filling your cup?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I just feel like there's something so sacred about Gilmore Girls,
and I really want us to celebrate it. But I
think it was such a thing as picking over something
too much until like the carcass is just completely devoured.
And I think that's what we're in danger of doing
a little bit from Gilmore Girls. And again I say
this is the biggest Skillmore Girls fan. I've watched every episode,
not even joking, one hundred times at least, because I
(03:15):
watch it daily. When the new season came out Gilmore
Girls like the continuing season, I flew. I took time
off work. I flew to Queensland with my sisters so
we could all watch it together, and we watched it
through twice, once without talking so we could take it in,
and we watched it all through again talking, and we
themed all of our dinners and lunches around Gilmore Girl's food.
(03:36):
I've been to the set. I've touched Miss Patty's dance school.
I've touched the gazebo. I cried so much. I have
the mugs that were actually sold in Luke stein A,
not the fan mugs. I have that too, but I
have the actual mug. Like I love this series, but
I also think there has been so many behind the
scenes things released Luke on the show. The actor who
plays Luke on the show has a podcast where he
(03:58):
interviews people. Lauren Graham, who plays the lead Laura like Gilmore,
has written a book about it. Kelly Bishop, who plays
Elmy Gilmore, has written a book about it. And I've
read those books, and I've watched. All the creators and
directors in costumers all have their own Instagram series now
where they do daily updates behind the scenes. I just
think I know too much about the making of the show,
(04:18):
and it's ruining the magic of the actual show.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Okay, so first of all, they need to interview you.
They actually do, because this is like I feel like
you know more than most people. So maybe it's it's
almost like there's just too much content out there of
the making off. But I feel like people do this
with when there's a big fandom behind a show, because
(04:41):
people keep wanting more, especially once you've watched something and
you know how you feel that thing, like if I
could forget that and do it all over again.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, I just feel like this. And again I'm not
saying other people can't watch it. I'm sure my family will,
and like maybe one day I will watch it because
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You're definitely gonna watch it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, I just feel like I don't want to ruin
the magic of this little town and stars Hollow and
I just feel like Gilmore Girls, one of the reasons
people love it is that it came at a time
or we didn't have access to all that, like I
would just watch it on it was originally on Tuesday Night.
I would watch it on Tuesday Night, my sisters and
my brother. He hates me saying this, but he watches
Gilmore Girls too. We all did as a family. We
would tape it on a VHS and we would watch
(05:19):
the episode over and over and over again until the
next episode came out. But we knew nothing about behind
the scenes or the characters, or the actors or anything
like that. It was in a little bubble. And I
think now we have too much access to behind the
scenes of our favorite shows to the point where and
I know not everyone has this problem, but I have
banned myself from interviewing anyone from my favorite shows. So
(05:39):
I've been offered so many interviews with Scott Patterson, who
plays Luke Dean's Absolutely Not. I've been offered interviews with
Alexis Bludell before Absolutely Not. And I've been asked to
interview Lauren Graham a few times, who played Laura le
And I did say, and this wasn't a joke, I
will quit my job before I talk to that woman.
It's because I can get a new job. I can't
get a new favorite TV show.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And I think it's also that whole adage of don't
ever meet your heroes. What if they're a bit mean
to you. Well that's the thing, well not mean, but
like what if it's not what you expected exactly?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And I just think once you have And this is
why I don't follow any of my favorite actors on
Instagram or anything either. I just think once you see
a person, not as a TV character where you are
supposed to live in their world. Movie actors are a
bit different because they're a different person every time, so
it's easier to suspend disbelief. But I think with movie characters,
even like if you have a great interview with them,
they are never that character to you again, that's lost forever.
(06:33):
They're always a person, is how I personally see it.
And that's why I don't think you shouldollow your favorite
actors on Instagram either. A boycott is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, I love her behind the scenes. Like often
when I watch shows, I will have IMDb up trivia
on my phone as I'm watching it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's ruining the world for you. You've got to experience
the world then you can go look up the stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No, I love, I love listening and watching the trivia
and like seeing the behind the scenes and interviews like
I did it with and just like that, you know,
making of I love a documentary.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No, and again I do. I feel like people should
watch this, and I know they will, And there is
a huge appetite. Like I said, all the casts have
written books, there's so many podcasts, they still do so
many fan events and panels and interviews. It's still the
thing that they all get asked about. So there's a
huge audience appetite for it, and I think we should
celebrate it. But I just personally will not be watching
the documentary.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Okay, well, but.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't drink out of my Gilmore Girl's mug that
day in solidarity.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, we don't have a release date just yet, but
I won't keep Laura posted, but we will keep you
spillers posted.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Nana Nana so Zoe Kravitz. I mean, she's always living
on good life, but at the moment she's living a
particularly good life because she's on the press tour for
her new movie, Court Stealing, which I haven't seen yet
but i've heard is great and I'm very excited to
see it. And in the months leading up to this.
We've talked about this before on The Spill, is that
she's been very cozy on the press tour and red
(07:59):
carpets with her co star Austin Butler. And there's been
a few kind of sightings of them at after parties
and like matinees of you know, events, and all these
little kind of behind the scenes moments where people have
caught them hugging and whispering to each other, and the
rumor was that they were hooking.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Up and you know, being a bit cozy. And I
feel like Austin Butler also could very well be Zoe
Kravitz's type, because given her previous relationship with Channing Tatum,
I feel like they have the same energy.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Really, I find them completely different people, just because Austin
Butler is like, I'm a serious actor and I don't
know how to get into a role without becoming the
character and being a method actor, and Channing Tatum is
just a frat boy having a great time with a
great you know, business mind who's like there to make
a franchise.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I'm more talking about like looks wise, like vibes wise.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, but Austin Butler again like a kind of a
slight guy where his Channing Tatums is like beefy bro.
But anyway, the thing that the fun thing about Zoe
Kravitz is that you just never know which way she's
going to swing. She can go for Kyl Gosman, who's
more of a quiet, kind of serious artistic actor, her
ex husband who's also got a movie out now, and
I feel so bad for him because everyone's just calling
him Zoe Kravitz's ex husband, that poor boy. Or she
(09:13):
can swing towards Channing Tatum and now apparently people thought
she'd swung to Austin Butler. I just always got the
vibe that the way she talked about him was always
like a little bit cutting, but like in a kind
of like almost like a ribbing sister kind of way.
Like people on the press tour that they got asked
like what were their first thoughts of each other? And
She's like, Austin's funnier than I thought, He's more interesting
than I thought. He's more and I'm like, just say,
(09:34):
you thought he was an idiot before you met him.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I love that. I love those sort of undercutted compliments.
But we're wrong because there have been some sightings of
Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz walking arm in arm in Rome,
and now the rumor mill is just going nuts that
the two of them are together. So forget Austin Butler.
It is all about Harry's time.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
He was a decoy. He was a red Harry. He
is just a poor boy trying to like lose his
elvis accent that's still plaguing him to this day. So
the photo of Zoe and Harry taken Italy, and yes,
I am trash because I've watched it many times. I've
zoomed in. I looked from all the angles to the
naked eye. They just kind of almost look like pals
because they're walking along. She kind of grips his arm
(10:17):
and then they kind of drop arms and they walk away,
and there's all these fan siding so having me trying
to hide it. They've just been strolling around the streets
of Rome together, not hiding it. Apparently, so many fans
have come up to them and asked for photos, and
every single fan has said that Harry Styles and this
is his thing. He always says no to a photo.
To a fan. He always says, do you mind if
(10:39):
I don't, because I'm just off line at the moment,
I'm not in that space. But he always takes their
hand and holds it as he tells them that so
that they don't walk away having a bad interaction with him.
And every fan who has had a handholding interaction with
Harry Styles, and there's been a few of them recently,
has said that Zoe has stood there very politely and
that they weren't engaging any sort of like it didn't
(11:01):
feel like a couple. But also that is what I
think you would do if you were trying to walk
around and be a couple without having people pap you
kissing or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Okay, but this is a thing overnight. We saw a
Sauce has told People magazine, and I love a source
because who knows where that's come from. But multiple sources
apparently saw them kissing at the London premiere of Court Stealing.
So that is the latest on that one. So I
think there is actually more to this. It looks like
(11:29):
this is a legit couple. I think when the Austin
Butler and Zoe's stuff came out, everyone was kind of like, ah,
maybe it's probably just a pr move for the movie.
You know, they have to be together, Like this isn't legitimate,
but with Harry and Zoe, this one feels real.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, apparently he's been during the court stealing junkets. Again,
You and I do junkets all the time, But for
people who don't know, it's when you do all the
pre promo for a movie in the lead up to it,
So you have the people in the movie sit in
a hotel room for days with all the cameras and
lines and like a parade of journalists come in and
out into vetom. But what happens at a jun Kit
is that they kind of take over the whole hotel,
(12:08):
so there's like all these levels of security. They take
out all the rooms on the floor, all of their
teams stay there. They have makeup rooms and lighting rooms
and comms rooms and stuff. And apparently Harry Styles has
been hiding out at the hotel where they were doing
the court stealing junket, which does seem risky for if
you're having like a clandestine romance between two of the
(12:29):
most famous people in the world, does seem risky to
conduct that romance in a room filled with like different
people who work for them butt plus also filled with
every journalist you know, in the country, and people who
have been flowing in. But there's also a lot of
places to hide at a junket, there's a lot of
people moving around, there's a lot of like it's a hotel,
there's a lot of private rooms that you can book
out and have people not go into. So I actually
(12:51):
think it's the perfect cover.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And we also know that a lot of these big
hotels have like back entrances and you know, you can
go up the back way, you go through the laundry,
and like, I'm sure he's thought of all of that. Yeah,
but there has been a number of reports that he's
basically been following her around on this press.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Junk yet time at the moment, so I feel like
that's probably true because I feel like he's not working
in the factory to put out his sex toys, which
is his main release at the moment, and mine still
hasn't arrived.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well not a special trial or maybe well, yeah, maybe
zhe will, Oh no, that's too naughty.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, maybe I feel like Zoe Krawitz is the kind
of girl who give a very honest opinion of a
sex toy. But now the thing is so now everyone's like,
pretty sure they're dating, They're hanging out, all that sort
of stuff. He's been hiding in the bathroom of her
hotel room in the Junkart Hotel, which is very cute.
But now this idea has come up that Zoe Kravitz
has potentially upset all of her famous friends by dating him.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But why, I mean, Harry Styles has dated everyone.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Well, Zoe Kravitz and Taylor Swift are really good friends,
as evidenced by the fact that recently she had to
go and stay at Taylor's house with her mum during
the LA fires.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I love that story. Yeah, I love that story about
the snake. Yeah, yeah, and the whole bathroom that was
like my favorite day they lost.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
To snake in Taylor Swift's house. But they've been friends
for a really long time, and obviously Harry Styles and
Taylor Swift dated for a while. I don't think Taylor
Swift would care. I'm just going to go out in
a limb not knowing any of these people personally that
Taylor Swift's not going to care that Zoe Kravitz is
hooking up with her situation ship from many many years ago.
She'd probably been more likely to say like, hey, everyone
thinks that Harry Styles and I committed for Hicula manslaughter
(14:27):
because of all the lyrics in my songs, So just
watch out for that. But apart from that, go for
Golden Date that man.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I mean, I feel like Hollywood as well is so incestuous.
If you actually did like a Venn diagram of who's
dated who, it would be like two degrees of separation.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, they're all linked.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So I also I much prefer Harry Styles to Channing
Tatum for Zoe. But I have a personal gripe against Channing. Well,
I know, I know people are going to come for
me for this, and.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
That's okay saying.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't know. I just I just don't like his vibe.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I think that he got such a cool boy makeover
when he was engaged to Zoe Kravitz. Up until then,
he was always seen as this Hollywood doofist, which I
actually think is unfair to him because he started that
whole Magic Mike franchise. If you look at all the
leaked emails from Sony, he was the one like emailing
and maybe someone was gross writing for him, but it
does read like him. He was the one emailing with
the business plans. He was the one emailing about the
(15:19):
franchises and the ideas and stuff, like he knows how
to build a business. But he was always seen as
like a bit of an embarrassing, very non sexy, kind
of frat boy esque kind of person. But as soon
as he started dating Zoe Kravitz, he instantly got hotter.
He instantly was more appealing. He did that really wild
like photo shoot where he was half naked, and any
(15:39):
other time that would have been so embarrassing, but it
just was really hot. And as soon as they broke
up after he posted that photo of her sleeping, which
I do believe was a catalyst for their breakup, as
soon as they broke up, that hot factor just left
him again. It just fled his body.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Honestly, when I saw them at the Met Gala together,
my first thought was, oh, sooey, honey, you can do
so much better, I know.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But she does like she does love to do like
a like an outreach program for troubled Hollywood man and
like help them, help them be cool again and help
them like she's a good Samaraitan that way, And no
one talks about her charity work in that area. But
even in that photo of her like descending the met
Gala steps and her see through dress and Channing kind
of walking slightly behind her and like reaching out to
(16:19):
hold her hand. That is the hottest that man has
ever looked. I hated that, didn't like, No, I just have.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
A it's a personal thing. And I just find him
a bit sort of like smarmy and.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well, now that he's in his mid forties dating a
twenty year old, he's gone right back to be unattractive. Yeah,
so and now, I mean not that Harry Styles needed
the cool factor with Zoey Kravitz, but I do feel
it's also helping him. Like again, him strolling like confidently
through the streets of Rome with her hanging off his
arm and like trailing slightly behind him. That is the
(16:54):
hottest that man's looked for a while as well. So
I don't know, I'm hoping we get that they're both
fairly private. I don't think they'll comment on it. I
think what they'll do is that they'll get to the
stage where they won't care if they get papped, and
they'll just kiss on the street and go out, but
they'll never address it.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yes, and I'm looking forward to that moment. Okay, So
Serena Williams is in a little bit of hot water
after promoting something that a lot of people are a
little bit disappointed about. So over the weekend she was
talking to People magazine ahead of the US Open and
(17:30):
was talking about her fourteen kilo weight loss. Now, she
credited this weight loss to a US telehealth company called Roe,
which coincidentally, her husband Alexis o'hannian sits on the board
of and Roe promotes services for weight loss and is
known to promote GLP one agonis in the US. And
a lot of people are really upset about this because
(17:51):
Serena Williams is known as being athletic, incredible woman who
you know she won the Australian Open when she was
pregnant with her first child.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I've going to say when I first saw that
she was taking part in this, and I read all
her words and I looked at all the information, but
I felt a real sense of just I mean, not surprised,
because I think this is the world we lived at
the moment, but I felt just like a devastating sadness
watching her do this. And it's not aimed at Serena
(18:20):
Williams in any way, And I do believe that they're like,
you should have a choice to do what you want
with your own body. And I do appreciate her coming
out and talking about using a particular medicine just because
part of the reason why she said she did it
is to relieve the stinger from other people in the
world who use that. But at the same time, I
don't think this is as simple as just saying like
(18:40):
it's one person's right to choose when it's wrapped up
in such a bigger issue, because the sadness here is
that Serena Williams is someone who is one of the
greatest athletes of all time and her body has just
defied the laws of nature over and over again with
what she's been able to achieve. But during her entire
career she faced this huge outpouring of very public abuse
(19:01):
around her body, where even at the height of her
athleticism and the height of her being a world champion,
people said her body was too big, it wasn't feminine enough,
that she couldn't be athlete because she looked a certain way.
She looked overweight, even though like looking at her it's
like all muscle and power. People would compare her to
different animals in a really derogatory way, so that marred
(19:24):
her entire career. And I can see now why she
wants to sort of talk on that. But at the
same time, she talks about the fact that in the
lead up to making this medical decision that she was
exercising up to five hours a day doing stair climbing, biking, running,
and she was doing all this activity. And I'm like,
(19:44):
if your body is at the state where it can
do five hours of activity at such a really high level,
that is an incredible feat. And I just find it
really disappointing that we can't look at a body and
celebrate that that that body was still seen as not
correct because it wasn't this smaller shape, and that the
greatest athlete in the world had to go and make
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herself smaller. Yeah, you just find that really awful.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
What I found really complic hated was the fact that
the reason row this company chose her. One of the
reasons is they say that they want to promote this
drug is like a lifestyle product as well. And the
problem also is that, you know, I understand that at
forty three years old. After two kids, your body changes.
(20:29):
This is something that happens to all women. You know,
my body has changed significantly since I had children. Once
you're in your forties, you started to become potentially perimenopausal.
So I understand that potentially that's what she's feeling. You know,
it's harder for her to lose weight, but for a
lot of women, it's harder to lose weight than when
you were twenty years old. But the problem is she
(20:52):
has spent her entire career being this strong woman, and
I kind of find it quite similar to like a
loon of Mayor. Like if someone like alone of Mayor
did something with these semi glue type products, that would
be quite disappointing to me as well, because it's about
that strength and power and celebrating a woman's body for
what it can do athletically, and promoting this product and
(21:17):
not just saying you're using it. I think she said
I was using it. That would be one thing, but
actively promoting it has created a lot of disappointment amongst
her fans.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And that's the thing too, is like you don't want
to be part of a pilm, which I don't think
we're doing here at all, and you don't want this
kind of stigma or abuse around people who take any
sort of medication. But I just find here that we're
pushing away a really important conversation and just replacing it
with another. Like at the moment, the whole conversation is
around like people should be able to take these medications.
(21:49):
There shouldn't be stigma all these sorts of things, And
we're kind of skating over the fact that it's only
becoming acceptable to have one very particular type of body.
And that's just not a visual effect, it's going to
have a huge flow and effect. Like we're now saying
that the most powerful athlete, the most successful athlete in
the world, wasn't good enough because her body wasn't smaller.
(22:11):
And I think that's making it even more impossible for
people who live in bigger bodies to survive in this world,
Like we're creating a world where you can't survive unless
you're skinny. And I think people might think that's dramatic,
But if you live in a bigger body and you
look at the statistics and you look at the conversation,
I don't mean to like bring the conversation down, but
We're in a pretty dangerous place because living in a
(22:33):
bigger body can mean that you lose job opportunities, It
can be that you lose money, It can mean that
you're unsafe being out in public spaces. It can mean
that you're denied health care or health services because of
the way you look. And that's becoming a big conversation
that's being diluted with this conversation of why don't you
just take this medicine and be smaller? And I think
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that's a really dangerous place to be in and I
think like it shouldn't all be on Serena Williams, but
she has put it out there, and I think we
have to have a conversation around it.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, and you know, we know about the benefits of this,
but there are also risks involved in taking these types
of drugs. So the data st just now that it's
about eight to ten percent of Americans using semi glue tides.
So in Australia, the TGA has approved a zepig for
the management of type two diabetes, while with Govi is
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TGA approved for chronic weight management and Munjaro is also
registered in Australia for both type two diabetes and in
some adults chronic weight management. I think the other thing
that is confusing for a lot of people, and maybe
a bit jarring for Australians is the active promotion of
a drug and when you look at the images, you
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see the video, we don't have that in Australia. You
can't do that is completely against the rules. And I
remember when I first moved to the US, one of
the biggest shocks to me was seeing different drugs promoted
as every second ad on TV.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And the kind of issue. And that's the thing I
think with celebrity endorsements around anything to do with medications
or lifestyle like that, is that you know, we're not
here to say what people should shouldn't take, like that's
between you and your doctors. But I think a discrepancy
that doesn't get talked about a lot is that celebrities
doing different heal things, taking different medications like in the
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US and now in Australia a lot too, Like medical
access is so expensive and really hard to get, and
so if you're a celebrity or a multimillionaire like Serena
Williams is and you're doing something different with your health,
you have a team of doctors, and you have a
team of dietitians, and you have access to the very
best medical care to look after yourself while you go
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through that, And average people don't have that, like some
of them can't afford a GP visit. So I think
also when we're talking about this, that part of it's
getting forgotten, and that's the celebrity side. I don't love.
I just think that if you're just watching a glossy ad,
or you're looking at a magazine headline, or you're sending
a clip on TikTok, you're not getting the full withth
of information that you would need.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and alienating a portion of her fan base from you.
Where she came from, which was not a wealthy upbringing,
and healthcare in the States is notoriously expensive. We've got
issues here too, But you know the fact that this
is someone who has come from a underprivileged background and
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fought her way and then now promoting something that is
extremely expensive is really alienating that audience. And many people
may say, why do we care. It's her body, she
can do what she likes, and yes she can, she
can absolutely do what she wants, but it does have
a knock on effect.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, absolutely, And I just think and I think we're
in this time at the moment where like people are
very fatigued by the fat acceptance movement and the body
image movement and all of those sorts of things, because
it felt like those movements were really on the rise
and real change were happening in the last couple of years,
particularly in the pop culture and entertainment and media space,
which is where a lot of us sort of look
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to get a touch point of how the world is moving.
And the fact that all of those areas have regressed
now is a really disappointing thing. And like I said,
it makes it much more dangerous to live in a
bigger body. But I feel like at the moment, people
have a lot of fatigue with that conversation, and even
people who used to champion those topics are now like, Oh,
don't be a drag, don't talk about it, don't bring
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it up. And I feel like that was the reaction
to a lot of the conversation around Serena Williams, was
that a lot of people were just like, I just
don't want to talk about it. I don't want to
have a conversation. I want to think about it. It makes
me feel bad and I'm bored with it. But I
think if you're one of those people who's saying you're
bored with it and people are being weird about the
conversation or anything like that, it's because you live in
a very, very privileged bubble that you get to turn
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away from these conversations. And there's no easy answer for this,
you know, I mean, like, and there's no solution. It's
a messy conversation. But I think we have to sit
in a messy conversation to work through it, because pushing
it aside doesn't help anyone.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, and I don't think this is necessarily an attack
on Serena Williams using a medication for herself. It is
part of a broader conversation on what this does and
how it affects people who look up to her as
a role model, and what it means for society in general.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brednik and I'm Concenu Lukitt.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, we have a
hot new romance that discuss Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles,
although it's not all as it appears, so we're going
to get into that. Also, Serena Williams has launched a
very controversial new brand partnership, and we're going to get
into that because it is a complicated discussion, but we
can't shy away from it.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But first, but first, Okay, Laura, I saw this headline
immediately thought of you, and I thought Laura is going
to be so excited about this. There is going to
be a documentary about Gilmore Girls. Okay, that is not
the silence I was expecting.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I just I don't want to be a kill Joy,
even though that is my personal brand and I should
monetize that in some way. I don't want to be
a killed joy. But I did see this news this morning,
the Gilmore Girls documentary, and as much as I don't
mind that it's going to be in the world and
not saying other people can't watch it, I personally, as
one of the biggest Gilmore Girl fans in the world,
will not be watching it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Okay, all right, Well, I had all these things about
it because I was like, I've got to do all this,
you know, work for Laura to make sure she knows
that I'm across that.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Please, I want to know with you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay. So it's the twenty fifth anniversary in October of
Gilmore Girls, which I'm sure you already know. The documentary
is going to be called Searching for Stars Hollow, Megna
Balakuma and Kevin Conrad Hannah are going to be the directors.
They've got one hundred hours of footage with all of
the cast. But Alexis Blodell doesn't seem to be in
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it at this stage.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yes, Alexis Blodell, who played Ruy Gilmore. She opted out
of The Handmaid's Tale final season except for one little
cameo her fan. She hasn't been working for a while.
And the rumor, which has kind of been substantiated and
one of the reasons why Again the Room Memel thinks
that another season of Gilmore Girls isn't being filmed is
because Alexis Bludell broke up with her husband, Vincent krassa
(02:19):
who people would know from Angel I kind of believe
those kids got married and had a son together, but
apparently they got divorced, and so she's taken a lot
of time off. But I think she there's potential that
she'll come back for this.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Hau, Why do you why does this not excite you?
Because I love like a you know, I love a documentary.
I love her behind the scenes, like I think I've
watched every single you know, behind the scenes of Lord
of the Rings or Making of This or Making of Friends,
Like I love that stuff. Like what is it about
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it that isn't giving you like filling your cup?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I just feel like there's something so sacred about Gilmore Girls,
and I really want us to celebrate it. But I
think it was such a thing as picking over something
too much until like the carcass is just completely devoured.
And I think that's what we're in danger of doing
a little bit from Gilmore Girls. And again I say
this is the biggest Skillmore Girls fan. I've watched every episode,
not even joking, one hundred times at least, because I
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watch it daily. When the new season came out Gilmore
Girls like the continuing season, I flew. I took time
off work. I flew to Queensland with my sisters so
we could all watch it together, and we watched it
through twice, once without talking so we could take it in,
and we watched it all through again talking, and we
themed all of our dinners and lunches around Gilmore Girl's food.
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I've been to the set. I've touched Miss Patty's dance school.
I've touched the gazebo. I cried so much. I have
the mugs that were actually sold in Luke stein A,
not the fan mugs. I have that too, but I
have the actual mug. Like I love this series, but
I also think there has been so many behind the
scenes things released Luke on the show. The actor who
plays Luke on the show has a podcast where he
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interviews people. Lauren Graham, who plays the lead Laura like Gilmore,
has written a book about it. Kelly Bishop, who plays
Elmy Gilmore, has written a book about it. And I've
read those books, and I've watched. All the creators and
directors in costumers all have their own Instagram series now
where they do daily updates behind the scenes. I just
think I know too much about the making of the show,
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and it's ruining the magic of the actual show.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Okay, so first of all, they need to interview you.
They actually do, because this is like I feel like
you know more than most people. So maybe it's it's
almost like there's just too much content out there of
the making off. But I feel like people do this
with when there's a big fandom behind a show, because
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people keep wanting more, especially once you've watched something and
you know how you feel that thing, like if I
could forget that and do it all over again.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, I just feel like this. And again I'm not
saying other people can't watch it. I'm sure my family will,
and like maybe one day I will watch it because
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You're definitely gonna watch it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, I just feel like I don't want to ruin
the magic of this little town and stars Hollow and
I just feel like Gilmore Girls, one of the reasons
people love it is that it came at a time
or we didn't have access to all that, like I
would just watch it on it was originally on Tuesday Night.
I would watch it on Tuesday Night, my sisters and
my brother. He hates me saying this, but he watches
Gilmore Girls too. We all did as a family. We
would tape it on a VHS and we would watch
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the episode over and over and over again until the
next episode came out. But we knew nothing about behind
the scenes or the characters, or the actors or anything
like that. It was in a little bubble. And I
think now we have too much access to behind the
scenes of our favorite shows to the point where and
I know not everyone has this problem, but I have
banned myself from interviewing anyone from my favorite shows. So
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I've been offered so many interviews with Scott Patterson, who
plays Luke Dean's Absolutely Not. I've been offered interviews with
Alexis Bludell before Absolutely Not. And I've been asked to
interview Lauren Graham a few times, who played Laura le
And I did say, and this wasn't a joke, I
will quit my job before I talk to that woman.
It's because I can get a new job. I can't
get a new favorite TV show.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And I think it's also that whole adage of don't
ever meet your heroes. What if they're a bit mean
to you. Well that's the thing, well not mean, but
like what if it's not what you expected exactly?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And I just think once you have And this is
why I don't follow any of my favorite actors on
Instagram or anything either. I just think once you see
a person, not as a TV character where you are
supposed to live in their world. Movie actors are a
bit different because they're a different person every time, so
it's easier to suspend disbelief. But I think with movie characters,
even like if you have a great interview with them,
they are never that character to you again, that's lost forever.
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They're always a person, is how I personally see it.
And that's why I don't think you shouldollow your favorite
actors on Instagram either. A boycott is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, I love her behind the scenes. Like often
when I watch shows, I will have IMDb up trivia
on my phone as I'm watching it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's ruining the world for you. You've got to experience
the world then you can go look up the stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No, I love, I love listening and watching the trivia
and like seeing the behind the scenes and interviews like
I did it with and just like that, you know,
making of I love a documentary.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No, and again I do. I feel like people should
watch this, and I know they will, And there is
a huge appetite. Like I said, all the casts have
written books, there's so many podcasts, they still do so
many fan events and panels and interviews. It's still the
thing that they all get asked about. So there's a
huge audience appetite for it, and I think we should
celebrate it. But I just personally will not be watching
the documentary.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Okay, well, but.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't drink out of my Gilmore Girl's mug that
day in solidarity.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, we don't have a release date just yet, but
I won't keep Laura posted, but we will keep you
spillers posted.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Nana Nana so Zoe Kravitz. I mean, she's always living
on good life, but at the moment she's living a
particularly good life because she's on the press tour for
her new movie, Court Stealing, which I haven't seen yet
but i've heard is great and I'm very excited to
see it. And in the months leading up to this.
We've talked about this before on The Spill, is that
she's been very cozy on the press tour and red
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carpets with her co star Austin Butler. And there's been
a few kind of sightings of them at after parties
and like matinees of you know, events, and all these
little kind of behind the scenes moments where people have
caught them hugging and whispering to each other, and the
rumor was that they were hooking.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Up and you know, being a bit cozy. And I
feel like Austin Butler also could very well be Zoe
Kravitz's type, because given her previous relationship with Channing Tatum,
I feel like they have the same energy.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Really, I find them completely different people, just because Austin
Butler is like, I'm a serious actor and I don't
know how to get into a role without becoming the
character and being a method actor, and Channing Tatum is
just a frat boy having a great time with a
great you know, business mind who's like there to make
a franchise.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I'm more talking about like looks wise, like vibes wise.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, but Austin Butler again like a kind of a
slight guy where his Channing Tatums is like beefy bro.
But anyway, the thing that the fun thing about Zoe
Kravitz is that you just never know which way she's
going to swing. She can go for Kyl Gosman, who's
more of a quiet, kind of serious artistic actor, her
ex husband who's also got a movie out now, and
I feel so bad for him because everyone's just calling
him Zoe Kravitz's ex husband, that poor boy. Or she
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can swing towards Channing Tatum and now apparently people thought
she'd swung to Austin Butler. I just always got the
vibe that the way she talked about him was always
like a little bit cutting, but like in a kind
of like almost like a ribbing sister kind of way.
Like people on the press tour that they got asked
like what were their first thoughts of each other? And
She's like, Austin's funnier than I thought, He's more interesting
than I thought. He's more and I'm like, just say,
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you thought he was an idiot before you met him.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I love that. I love those sort of undercutted compliments.
But we're wrong because there have been some sightings of
Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz walking arm in arm in Rome,
and now the rumor mill is just going nuts that
the two of them are together. So forget Austin Butler.
It is all about Harry's time.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
He was a decoy. He was a red Harry. He
is just a poor boy trying to like lose his
elvis accent that's still plaguing him to this day. So
the photo of Zoe and Harry taken Italy, and yes,
I am trash because I've watched it many times. I've
zoomed in. I looked from all the angles to the
naked eye. They just kind of almost look like pals
because they're walking along. She kind of grips his arm
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and then they kind of drop arms and they walk away,
and there's all these fan siding so having me trying
to hide it. They've just been strolling around the streets
of Rome together, not hiding it. Apparently, so many fans
have come up to them and asked for photos, and
every single fan has said that Harry Styles and this
is his thing. He always says no to a photo.
To a fan. He always says, do you mind if
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I don't, because I'm just off line at the moment,
I'm not in that space. But he always takes their
hand and holds it as he tells them that so
that they don't walk away having a bad interaction with him.
And every fan who has had a handholding interaction with
Harry Styles, and there's been a few of them recently,
has said that Zoe has stood there very politely and
that they weren't engaging any sort of like it didn't
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feel like a couple. But also that is what I
think you would do if you were trying to walk
around and be a couple without having people pap you
kissing or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Okay, but this is a thing overnight. We saw a
Sauce has told People magazine, and I love a source
because who knows where that's come from. But multiple sources
apparently saw them kissing at the London premiere of Court Stealing.
So that is the latest on that one. So I
think there is actually more to this. It looks like
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this is a legit couple. I think when the Austin
Butler and Zoe's stuff came out, everyone was kind of like, ah,
maybe it's probably just a pr move for the movie.
You know, they have to be together, Like this isn't legitimate,
but with Harry and Zoe, this one feels real.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, apparently he's been during the court stealing junkets. Again,
You and I do junkets all the time, But for
people who don't know, it's when you do all the
pre promo for a movie in the lead up to it,
So you have the people in the movie sit in
a hotel room for days with all the cameras and
lines and like a parade of journalists come in and
out into vetom. But what happens at a jun Kit
is that they kind of take over the whole hotel,
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so there's like all these levels of security. They take
out all the rooms on the floor, all of their
teams stay there. They have makeup rooms and lighting rooms
and comms rooms and stuff. And apparently Harry Styles has
been hiding out at the hotel where they were doing
the court stealing junket, which does seem risky for if
you're having like a clandestine romance between two of the
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most famous people in the world, does seem risky to
conduct that romance in a room filled with like different
people who work for them butt plus also filled with
every journalist you know, in the country, and people who
have been flowing in. But there's also a lot of
places to hide at a junket, there's a lot of
people moving around, there's a lot of like it's a hotel,
there's a lot of private rooms that you can book
out and have people not go into. So I actually
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think it's the perfect cover.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And we also know that a lot of these big
hotels have like back entrances and you know, you can
go up the back way, you go through the laundry,
and like, I'm sure he's thought of all of that. Yeah,
but there has been a number of reports that he's
basically been following her around on this press.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Junk yet time at the moment, so I feel like
that's probably true because I feel like he's not working
in the factory to put out his sex toys, which
is his main release at the moment, and mine still
hasn't arrived.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well not a special trial or maybe well, yeah, maybe
zhe will, Oh no, that's too naughty.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, maybe I feel like Zoe Krawitz is the kind
of girl who give a very honest opinion of a
sex toy. But now the thing is so now everyone's like,
pretty sure they're dating, They're hanging out, all that sort
of stuff. He's been hiding in the bathroom of her
hotel room in the Junkart Hotel, which is very cute.
But now this idea has come up that Zoe Kravitz
has potentially upset all of her famous friends by dating him.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But why, I mean, Harry Styles has dated everyone.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Well, Zoe Kravitz and Taylor Swift are really good friends,
as evidenced by the fact that recently she had to
go and stay at Taylor's house with her mum during
the LA fires.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I love that story. Yeah, I love that story about
the snake. Yeah, yeah, and the whole bathroom that was
like my favorite day they lost.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
To snake in Taylor Swift's house. But they've been friends
for a really long time, and obviously Harry Styles and
Taylor Swift dated for a while. I don't think Taylor
Swift would care. I'm just going to go out in
a limb not knowing any of these people personally that
Taylor Swift's not going to care that Zoe Kravitz is
hooking up with her situation ship from many many years ago.
She'd probably been more likely to say like, hey, everyone
thinks that Harry Styles and I committed for Hicula manslaughter
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because of all the lyrics in my songs, So just
watch out for that. But apart from that, go for
Golden Date that man.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I mean, I feel like Hollywood as well is so incestuous.
If you actually did like a Venn diagram of who's
dated who, it would be like two degrees of separation.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, they're all linked.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So I also I much prefer Harry Styles to Channing
Tatum for Zoe. But I have a personal gripe against Channing. Well,
I know, I know people are going to come for
me for this, and.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
That's okay saying.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't know. I just I just don't like his vibe.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I think that he got such a cool boy makeover
when he was engaged to Zoe Kravitz. Up until then,
he was always seen as this Hollywood doofist, which I
actually think is unfair to him because he started that
whole Magic Mike franchise. If you look at all the
leaked emails from Sony, he was the one like emailing
and maybe someone was gross writing for him, but it
does read like him. He was the one emailing with
the business plans. He was the one emailing about the
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franchises and the ideas and stuff, like he knows how
to build a business. But he was always seen as
like a bit of an embarrassing, very non sexy, kind
of frat boy esque kind of person. But as soon
as he started dating Zoe Kravitz, he instantly got hotter.
He instantly was more appealing. He did that really wild
like photo shoot where he was half naked, and any
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other time that would have been so embarrassing, but it
just was really hot. And as soon as they broke
up after he posted that photo of her sleeping, which
I do believe was a catalyst for their breakup, as
soon as they broke up, that hot factor just left
him again. It just fled his body.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Honestly, when I saw them at the Met Gala together,
my first thought was, oh, sooey, honey, you can do
so much better, I know.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But she does like she does love to do like
a like an outreach program for troubled Hollywood man and
like help them, help them be cool again and help
them like she's a good Samaraitan that way, And no
one talks about her charity work in that area. But
even in that photo of her like descending the met
Gala steps and her see through dress and Channing kind
of walking slightly behind her and like reaching out to
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hold her hand. That is the hottest that man has
ever looked. I hated that, didn't like, No, I just have.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
A it's a personal thing. And I just find him
a bit sort of like smarmy and.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well, now that he's in his mid forties dating a
twenty year old, he's gone right back to be unattractive. Yeah,
so and now, I mean not that Harry Styles needed
the cool factor with Zoey Kravitz, but I do feel
it's also helping him. Like again, him strolling like confidently
through the streets of Rome with her hanging off his
arm and like trailing slightly behind him. That is the
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hottest that man's looked for a while as well. So
I don't know, I'm hoping we get that they're both
fairly private. I don't think they'll comment on it. I
think what they'll do is that they'll get to the
stage where they won't care if they get papped, and
they'll just kiss on the street and go out, but
they'll never address it.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yes, and I'm looking forward to that moment. Okay, So
Serena Williams is in a little bit of hot water
after promoting something that a lot of people are a
little bit disappointed about. So over the weekend she was
talking to People magazine ahead of the US Open and
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was talking about her fourteen kilo weight loss. Now, she
credited this weight loss to a US telehealth company called Roe,
which coincidentally, her husband Alexis o'hannian sits on the board
of and Roe promotes services for weight loss and is
known to promote GLP one agonis in the US. And
a lot of people are really upset about this because
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Serena Williams is known as being athletic, incredible woman who
you know she won the Australian Open when she was
pregnant with her first child.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I've going to say when I first saw that
she was taking part in this, and I read all
her words and I looked at all the information, but
I felt a real sense of just I mean, not surprised,
because I think this is the world we lived at
the moment, but I felt just like a devastating sadness
watching her do this. And it's not aimed at Serena
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Williams in any way, And I do believe that they're like,
you should have a choice to do what you want
with your own body. And I do appreciate her coming
out and talking about using a particular medicine just because
part of the reason why she said she did it
is to relieve the stinger from other people in the
world who use that. But at the same time, I
don't think this is as simple as just saying like
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it's one person's right to choose when it's wrapped up
in such a bigger issue, because the sadness here is
that Serena Williams is someone who is one of the
greatest athletes of all time and her body has just
defied the laws of nature over and over again with
what she's been able to achieve. But during her entire
career she faced this huge outpouring of very public abuse
(19:01):
around her body, where even at the height of her
athleticism and the height of her being a world champion,
people said her body was too big, it wasn't feminine enough,
that she couldn't be athlete because she looked a certain way.
She looked overweight, even though like looking at her it's
like all muscle and power. People would compare her to
different animals in a really derogatory way, so that marred
(19:24):
her entire career. And I can see now why she
wants to sort of talk on that. But at the
same time, she talks about the fact that in the
lead up to making this medical decision that she was
exercising up to five hours a day doing stair climbing, biking, running,
and she was doing all this activity. And I'm like,
(19:44):
if your body is at the state where it can
do five hours of activity at such a really high level,
that is an incredible feat. And I just find it
really disappointing that we can't look at a body and
celebrate that that that body was still seen as not
correct because it wasn't this smaller shape, and that the
greatest athlete in the world had to go and make
(20:05):
herself smaller. Yeah, you just find that really awful.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
What I found really complic hated was the fact that
the reason row this company chose her. One of the
reasons is they say that they want to promote this
drug is like a lifestyle product as well. And the
problem also is that, you know, I understand that at
forty three years old. After two kids, your body changes.
(20:29):
This is something that happens to all women. You know,
my body has changed significantly since I had children. Once
you're in your forties, you started to become potentially perimenopausal.
So I understand that potentially that's what she's feeling. You know,
it's harder for her to lose weight, but for a
lot of women, it's harder to lose weight than when
you were twenty years old. But the problem is she
(20:52):
has spent her entire career being this strong woman, and
I kind of find it quite similar to like a
loon of Mayor. Like if someone like alone of Mayor
did something with these semi glue type products, that would
be quite disappointing to me as well, because it's about
that strength and power and celebrating a woman's body for
what it can do athletically, and promoting this product and
(21:17):
not just saying you're using it. I think she said
I was using it. That would be one thing, but
actively promoting it has created a lot of disappointment amongst
her fans.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And that's the thing too, is like you don't want
to be part of a pilm, which I don't think
we're doing here at all, and you don't want this
kind of stigma or abuse around people who take any
sort of medication. But I just find here that we're
pushing away a really important conversation and just replacing it
with another. Like at the moment, the whole conversation is
around like people should be able to take these medications.
(21:49):
There shouldn't be stigma all these sorts of things, And
we're kind of skating over the fact that it's only
becoming acceptable to have one very particular type of body.
And that's just not a visual effect, it's going to
have a huge flow and effect. Like we're now saying
that the most powerful athlete, the most successful athlete in
the world, wasn't good enough because her body wasn't smaller.
(22:11):
And I think that's making it even more impossible for
people who live in bigger bodies to survive in this world,
Like we're creating a world where you can't survive unless
you're skinny. And I think people might think that's dramatic,
But if you live in a bigger body and you
look at the statistics and you look at the conversation,
I don't mean to like bring the conversation down, but
We're in a pretty dangerous place because living in a
(22:33):
bigger body can mean that you lose job opportunities, It
can be that you lose money, It can mean that
you're unsafe being out in public spaces. It can mean
that you're denied health care or health services because of
the way you look. And that's becoming a big conversation
that's being diluted with this conversation of why don't you
just take this medicine and be smaller? And I think
(22:53):
that's a really dangerous place to be in and I
think like it shouldn't all be on Serena Williams, but
she has put it out there, and I think we
have to have a conversation around it.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, and you know, we know about the benefits of this,
but there are also risks involved in taking these types
of drugs. So the data st just now that it's
about eight to ten percent of Americans using semi glue tides.
So in Australia, the TGA has approved a zepig for
the management of type two diabetes, while with Govi is
(23:21):
TGA approved for chronic weight management and Munjaro is also
registered in Australia for both type two diabetes and in
some adults chronic weight management. I think the other thing
that is confusing for a lot of people, and maybe
a bit jarring for Australians is the active promotion of
a drug and when you look at the images, you
(23:45):
see the video, we don't have that in Australia. You
can't do that is completely against the rules. And I
remember when I first moved to the US, one of
the biggest shocks to me was seeing different drugs promoted
as every second ad on TV.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And the kind of issue. And that's the thing I
think with celebrity endorsements around anything to do with medications
or lifestyle like that, is that you know, we're not
here to say what people should shouldn't take, like that's
between you and your doctors. But I think a discrepancy
that doesn't get talked about a lot is that celebrities
doing different heal things, taking different medications like in the
(24:24):
US and now in Australia a lot too, Like medical
access is so expensive and really hard to get, and
so if you're a celebrity or a multimillionaire like Serena
Williams is and you're doing something different with your health,
you have a team of doctors, and you have a
team of dietitians, and you have access to the very
best medical care to look after yourself while you go
(24:45):
through that, And average people don't have that, like some
of them can't afford a GP visit. So I think
also when we're talking about this, that part of it's
getting forgotten, and that's the celebrity side. I don't love.
I just think that if you're just watching a glossy ad,
or you're looking at a magazine headline, or you're sending
a clip on TikTok, you're not getting the full withth
of information that you would need.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and alienating a portion of her fan base from you.
Where she came from, which was not a wealthy upbringing,
and healthcare in the States is notoriously expensive. We've got
issues here too, But you know the fact that this
is someone who has come from a underprivileged background and
(25:27):
fought her way and then now promoting something that is
extremely expensive is really alienating that audience. And many people
may say, why do we care. It's her body, she
can do what she likes, and yes she can, she
can absolutely do what she wants, but it does have
a knock on effect.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, absolutely, And I just think and I think we're
in this time at the moment where like people are
very fatigued by the fat acceptance movement and the body
image movement and all of those sorts of things, because
it felt like those movements were really on the rise
and real change were happening in the last couple of years,
particularly in the pop culture and entertainment and media space,
which is where a lot of us sort of look
(26:08):
to get a touch point of how the world is moving.
And the fact that all of those areas have regressed
now is a really disappointing thing. And like I said,
it makes it much more dangerous to live in a
bigger body. But I feel like at the moment, people
have a lot of fatigue with that conversation, and even
people who used to champion those topics are now like, Oh,
don't be a drag, don't talk about it, don't bring
(26:30):
it up. And I feel like that was the reaction
to a lot of the conversation around Serena Williams, was
that a lot of people were just like, I just
don't want to talk about it. I don't want to
have a conversation. I want to think about it. It makes
me feel bad and I'm bored with it. But I
think if you're one of those people who's saying you're
bored with it and people are being weird about the
conversation or anything like that, it's because you live in
a very, very privileged bubble that you get to turn
(26:51):
away from these conversations. And there's no easy answer for this,
you know, I mean, like, and there's no solution. It's
a messy conversation. But I think we have to sit
in a messy conversation to work through it, because pushing
it aside doesn't help anyone.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, and I don't think this is necessarily an attack
on Serena Williams using a medication for herself. It is
part of a broader conversation on what this does and
how it affects people who look up to her as
a role model, and what it means for society in general.
(27:27):
Thank you so much for listening to the spill today. Guys,
if anything in today's EPP brought up anything for you,
we have some resources in the show notes. Don't forget
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lots of fun stuff up there as well. This bill
is produced by Manisha Isswarren with sound production by Tina Mattalov.
We'll see you back here in your podcast feed for
(27:49):
all of the celeb headlines at eight am tomorrow with
Morning Tea, then back with another episode of the Spill
at three pm tomorrow. Bye Bye.
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