July 31, 2025 • 33 mins
Today on The Spill, Laura and special guest host Tina Provis recap their night at Prime Video's The Summer I Turned Pretty event, where they got up close with the cast of the show... they tell you just what Lola Tung, Rain Spencer and author Jenny Han are like in real life.
Then, we dive into the rise of unexpected celebrity couples popping out of the wood work lately... which ones we think will last, and which we can't quite see working out.
Plus, we unpack the outrage surrounding Sydney Sweeney’s new American Eagle ad—we dissect the backlash, and ask the question: is Sydney’s brand now rooted in planned outrage?
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodney and today I'm joined.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
By I'm Tina provis.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
If you watch Love Alan Australia, you may recognize me,
or you might not because I'm fully clothed today.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I mean, or is she watched the YouTube? I don't
know if you're listening. So coming up on the show today,
you've come on a good day because we have a
lot to chat about. We've got a whole bunch of
unexpected celebrity couples that have been in the news. We're
going to go through those and sort fact from fiction.
Also Sidney Sweeney's controversial new ad, We're going to dive
into that. But first, you and I didn't see each
(01:00):
other last night, but we were both at the same
very fun event.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yes, we were at Prime book Club, very exciting. The
cast of the Summer Return Pretty and.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's author were there as well as.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Mercedes Ron, who is the author of the Coppabul's trilogy.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So it was a very exciting night.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I haven't actually watched the series that's based on her books,
but I was watching all the teasers on the screen
before she came out, and I was like, sorry, isn't
it about sexy step siblings hooking up? I feel like
I need to watch that.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, you need to watch. I also love that there
was a question around whether it was taboo or not.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
She's like, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
She took Yeah. I love to answer that. She's like, no,
they're not related. Case closed, and I was like, SIV, yeah,
and I was like, it's true, they're not related. We
all draw a line in this end. So yes, we
had Jenny Hahn, who's the author of the Summer I
Turned Pretty Books or many other books, but those in particular.
She's also the showrunner and creator of the series. Like
that woman is so multi talented.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So impressive.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think it's really interesting as well to see that
she dips her toes into both formats of writing, and
I think that's why the series has been so successful,
because the characters have such strong voices that she's created
for them.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah. I love when the author gets to actually control
the show because then it's their vision. Coming through. So
we also had Lola Tongue who plays Belly, and Rain Spencer,
who plays Taylor in the series. So they were doing
press the day before you interviewed them, right, Yeah, how
was that? Oh my god, some real life you can
tell us.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They are so lovely.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I felt like when I was interviewing Rain Spencer and
Lula Tongue that I was talking to their characters, because
you've got Lola like so sweet, very like Belly esque,
you know, like airy lovely, and then Rain is kind
of sassy, yeah, and like has that like really like quick,
witty sense of humor, which kind of felt reminiscent of
their characters.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I was feeling very starstruck.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
They are exactly the same person as their characters in
a way. I guess that's a casting, especially if you're
casting like young actors and their first big breakout roles,
to get someone who's kind of similar to the people
they're playing. If anyone hasn't watched the Summer of Turn Pretty,
we're not going to do spoilers, but we're in the
third and final season now, we're four episodes in and
it's about Lola Tongue's character Belly, who turns hot one summer. Really,
(03:04):
I know, summer in turn pretty. I'm still waiting. I
know everyone makes that joke, but I was like, when will
that happen? And then she goes to the house in
the first season where these like two families spend every
summer together and there's these two brothers, Conrad and Jeremiah,
and it's a love triangle.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Between It's very heated, and the fans are really dedicated
to the course, as I can speak on behalf of
the fans.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Did you see that warning they put out before this
season started, Like the studio behind the show put out
of warning saying, guys, we know you're a really passionate
team Conrad or Team Jeremiah, but let's keep it nice,
let's keep it civil, let's not bully actors or people online.
And a lot of people did not take that to heart.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It gets heated, and I feel like I have very
strong opinion. I don't think there's really any contest. I'm
a very team comrade.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh your team okay, what no, no? I do you
have this? So at the Prime Video book Club event
last night, so we like walked in and there was
like the stage we watched the actors and Jenny Hahn
and authors and stuff come up on stage and do
their speeches and everything. And then did you upstairs to
the installation? Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, it's a little hot lap around there.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yep, all the little kind of photo moments and everything.
And it's so funny because I had all these like
they had all these little things that up to look
like you're in Cousin's Beach and all that sort of stuff.
But there was this big rack of flowers on the way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So the top row was red flowers for team Conrad,
the middle section was sunflowers I think it was for
Team Jeremiah, and then the bottom was the high drangers
for team Belly. And the idea was like, you took
(04:30):
a flower to symbolize the team you're.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
On, Billy chooses herself, I'm going to be angry. Let's
just get that straight.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Only they're not going to do that. Which which flower
did you pick?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So funny story.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I actually went in hot and I didn't realize I
thought I was going in strongly for Conrad.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So I picked up a sunflower.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And then the girl who was manning the flowers just
like wait, she Hadmiah as if she knew my time,
she knew I'd picked wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
There was fear in my eyes. I have a recording
of the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I was like, I wanted you throw the flower back.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, I put that flower back.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That was because we went like towards the end of
the night and then I saw like most of the
Conrad flowers picked clean gone, the belly flowers half gone,
the Jeremiah flowers in the middle untouched. I don't think
anyone took a Jeremiah flower survey. Okay, so here's something
I'll only say in this room. So your team Conrad,
what are you about to say?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
This is a hot take.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Something I'm only going to say in this room because
I g got crucified if I step outside into the office.
So up until now, I sort of haven't had strong
feelings Team Conrad or Team Jeremiah. A lot of faults,
but if you had to ask me, it would be
Team Conrad all the way until I left the event
last night and I went home and watched the new
episode that came.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I haven't done episode Okay, no spoilers, but it's my watchwork, and.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I kind of think maybe I did Jeremiah. Now, just
from that one episode.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's how you know Jenni Hahn is a god because
they're conflicted.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I know, I know. I feel like I'll get like
stoned in the streets if I say that loud, because
people hate him, I will leaves for the rest of
the episode.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
In this episode, he was very charming, he was very adult.
Conrad was coming across is very light.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I don't know, he's petty, but I kind of like a.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Sad, sad boy thing going on, which is kind of
Sometimes we do love the eggs, we do, and sometimes
Jeremiah does feel like a little pixie lepricorn boy, like
he doesn't feel like.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
A It's very highlight love triangle.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, Edward Cullen and Jacob because were you team Edward
or team Jacob?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Team Jacob? No? No, I actually, up until the moment
when I was first reading the books, they like, pull
you out, nice man, something about a nice, hot younger man.
I don't know. I guess both of them are the
younger ones. When I was reading the Twilight books, I
just was getting so angry at Edward the whole way through.
This is because I read them as like a young adult,
Like I think I was like I was nineteen or something,
(06:51):
my child. Yeah exactly. So I think you're supposed to
love Edward when you're like a young teen or a tween.
And yeah, I still don't know better exactly. I don't know.
I would still date a sad man, yeah, I'll take
yeah exactly. So I feel like, I don't know. I
feel like every generation has like their big love triangle story.
And even though like stats say that mostly like teen
(07:13):
shows are watched by adults, Yes, that is.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Something that I've been looking at over the past week,
which has really led me to feel validated. You know,
as a nearly thirty year old woman, I can watch
the Summer returnavity and not.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Feel guilty about it.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But it does have that like very like nostalgic feeling,
and it's something you can all relate to.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean, I don't know if I've had two help
brothers chasing.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Us, but loose enter price rooms on instain Socials, who
was hosting event last night, did like a quick poll
of the audience, so she's like, has anyone been in
love with two brothers? And it was just like silence. Yeah,
so like either it doesn't happen or no one wants to.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
We want it to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So okay, well I might look, I might change Team
Conrad or Team Jeremiah before the end of the season.
We still have many epps to go. So it's on
Prime Video. If you haven't watched it, highly recommend for
our Sexy eighteen Summer romance.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
If you even watched it yet, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, let's jump in to unpack the unexpected celebrity couples
that have been popping up and definitely were not on
my twenty twenty five bingo card. It's definitely left fans
feeling equal parts confused and invested. First up, we can
kick off with the speculations between Austin Butler and Zoey Kravitz. Now,
(08:23):
it's definitely unexpected, but it's not totally unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm like two young hot people like I see that
for them.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, hot people are drawn to each other, and I
love that for them. And I guess they're coming off
the back of Zoe Kravitz ending her engagement to Channing
Tam and then Austin Butler breaking up with Kaya Goerber
after they've been together for many years. I'm gonna say,
this is what I'm kind of on the fence a
little bit about, because the photos of them kissing where
they're like really going down and kissing, are them filming
their scene?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It looks like it's on set.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it's on the set. They're just filming out the
streets of New York. It's their new movie Court Stealing.
So I saw that and I was like, well, that's
a set photo. But then it's the photos when they
went to a play and they're standing kind of in
the lobby, and I think people are just kind of
filming them very covertly so you can't really see where.
It looks like they're kind of there's no other word
for it. It looks like they're can noodling noodle. But there's
other people from the set. They're like the directors there
(09:13):
and the car, So like, was it just like a group?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And I can imagine you become really close when you
are in that setting where your job is to ca
noodle on a daily basis, so you would naturally have
that like chemistry with each other. I'm not one hundred
percent convinced that there are a couple, but I wouldn't
be surprised if there'd been like a casual like the
cup in between.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I feel like Zoe Kravitz sometimes loves just a dumb
guy though, and I feel like Austin Butler doesn't come
across as dumb. He comes across as like overly pretentious
and artsy, but then she likes the guy that as well.
I don't know. I feel like she's maybe she's an
equal opportunitist just to date whoever it comes along.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I mean, so fair of her. If Austin Butler came along,
I wouldn't be opposed. I also love for her that
the roomors kind of have come up because I know
Channing Tatum recently like has been spotted with his new
partners twenty five year old model Australian model.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Actually yeah, good on her, no shade to her. But
of course, like this man who's like he's like nearly
fifty is dating a twenty five that's.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Surprised us in new ways. Yeah, exactly, it's overdone.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So they haven't so zoeing and Austin haven't said anything
about the dating, but like there's been all these like
little plants of like sources say they're just friends. So
I wonder if that close. Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
The sources say it's not serious. They might well as
it casual. Give us more details. You're going to be
a source.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I'm sure they're Yeah, exactly. I'm sure there's loving like
a bit of extra promo for the movie totally. So.
The other more unexpected couple that I feel like no
one saw coming is Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Oh my god, I feel like Katy Perry is having
her comeback this She's been a busy year for Katie Perry.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
This year.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She was in space.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Now she's seen with a former prime minister. Like, what
is next for our girl, Katie?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, exactly. So she was with Orlando Bloom for close
to ten years. They're engaged. They have a little girl
called Daisy Dove Bloom, which I don't know the baby names.
I'm quite into that one. And they did release a
statement saying that they were splitting up the co parenting.
She's talked about the breakup on stage a little bit,
but haven't really gone into detail of what happened between
her and Orlando. And then these photos came out in
(11:12):
Montreal of her and Justin Trudeau and they're on TMZ
and so they're obviously taken without consent, so it's not great.
But skirting past that, it's like they're in this restaurant
there in this kind of private area, and it's almost
looked like the way someone's taken the photos they're filming,
like the glass ceiling above where you can see the
reflection of what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Apparently they are school friends, so they have, right, they
have a little bit of history. Yeah, I think, but
if you said someone's name that I went to school with,
I would remember.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So you know how the school friends connection.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they do, unless I've just like
started a roomarks Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, well I mean they might. Yeah, they must have.
So I know they kind of move in some similar
circles in terms of just like being rich, powerful people.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, she's been in space, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Actually, there's a group chat for that. So it's got
to the stage where their night out, their date night
has been tracked really intently. So Entertainment Tonight actually did
like a full like map and a tracking and like
they went to each venue and got like different notes
on what they had done and said I love that.
I mean people say journalism is dead, And to that,
I say, just look at this girl.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Look at the fact.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So they had a two hour dinner that was their
first stop, and they ate. So they contacted the restaurant
to get information exactly what they ate. So they had tuna,
which for a date is.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It like a like sashimi tuna.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I believe they didn't get those details. And maybe journal
she like a.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Raw tuna's date food because it's very delicate, you can
pick at it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
True, I would trink a tuna.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I was more thinking that. Yeah, maybe I was maybe
thinking to smell, but maybe it's a very fancy restaurant.
Then they had beef, tatar, lobster, and pasta. And the
person who they talked to at the restaurant, who maybe
didn't know that their comments were on the record and
going viral, was really strict of saying there was no
PD eight, no PD eight, or it was a PDA
(12:59):
free dinner.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Sounds like they do know. Yeah, it sounds like they
were brief to say that, but I did.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Also, they were sitting at in like an open plan thing,
and maybe if they were having a romantic dinner, they
were just very aware that if they wanted to kiss
and hold hair.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
That wasn't and there is dinner. Yeah, I don't know
how much cannudling you can do.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It, that's true. Well, they moved on to their second location,
which was a nightcap, so they ended the night with
a cocktail on the terrace of this kind of fans
and apparently Katie had a Canadian whiskey. I like it journalism.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh my god, the detail.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Now, I think this is entering date territory. Yes, going
from dinner to like drink. It sounds like you start
with the dinner because you don't know whether you want
to continue on for the drink, and if the date
goes well, then you go through your Canadian whiskey exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, if you think that sounds like a date strip
in for this next part because the next part also
who's following them? Of all the timeline wrong. They did
this first. The first time they were spotted was on
a walk in the park, so it was Justin Katie
on the same day. Yeah, on the same day this
so obviously the walk went really well. So then they
went to dinner, then they went to the nightcap, then
(14:05):
they disappeared. But so Justin and Katie went on a
walk with her dog, Nugget. I would love I love
thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I want one dog called Chicken and one dog called Nugget.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It would be really cute. And that to Katie Perry
like she'd love that. She loved that. Yet Nugget went
on a nineteen minute walk through the Mount Royal Park.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Okay, Nugget, it's a long walk for a little nugget.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I I'd love to hear what Nugget thought, because I
would have heard their whole conversation. And is really our
only reliable witness.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, we need a situation that's so interesting. This gives
now I don't know if this is a first date.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, I don't know if she's getting ready after the
was there an intermission?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, again, they haven't provided those facts. Well, but I'm
thinking so the walks during the day, so maybe it
was just a casual like let's meet up for a walk.
They walk for nineteen minutes, which is quite a long
time to be having like a first kind of date conversation.
I also think a walk is like quite a good
first date thing. I love a walk and a drink.
I feel like a dinner sometimes yes, too.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Much for a Yes, I think a walk and then
you can have like an afternoon drink somewhere is quite nice.
Sometimes I do like dinner because I'm quick to judge,
But if I'm at dinner, I can't.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, exactly, at least on a walk, you can kind
of peter off and you're like, kind of there's movement
just going to.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The bathroom, you run away, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You can just like so they did a walk, a drink,
a dinner, and then they went out of sight then
they couldn't track them. I feel like that sounds like
a full date day.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
This is a date.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
We can climate.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I feel like it's a real couple. Then I was
kind of on the fence, but now I feel maybe I.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Think, in what world would they be hanging out as
friends doing these date like activities.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So I definitely think it's date territory.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And he's not that fresh off like his divorce with
his wife as well.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah it's only a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
She would maybe they're bonding, maybe they're rebounding together exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And I've seen people comment and say, like, oh my god,
Katy Perry's just broke up with Orlando and she's jumping
into a new relationship. I'm like, guys, you think they
broke up on the day and then we found out, Yes,
Like I feel like they've been broken up for many months,
and then they released the statement.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Totally I think. I think we're the last to get
the news anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So I hope those guys have a lovely next date
and I look forward to nuggets. Tell all, I look
forward to the time and then our other unexpected couple, Guys,
things come in threes. Is Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I never thought their social spheres would touch, like they
just feel like two complete opposites. But I'm invested in
this one. I think it's so sweet. I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I feel like a couple of years ago, they would
have made more sense because they were both like big
Hollywood actors. They both kind of seemed to run the
same circles. But Liam Neesan, he talks like kind of
being out of Hollywood and off the grid, especially since
his late wife, Natasha Richardson so tragically died. I know,
I feel like his kids with her say they watched
the parent Trap when they missed their mom because oh
my god, it's a character that was most close to
(16:53):
her real personality.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I think of her. I love that movie so much.
I just imagined she would be very close to that
in real life. That's so sweet that her kids watched
that night.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Cute. So she Yeah, she died after a very tragic
skiing accident. So he sort of talked about retreating from Hollywood,
being for his kids and then obviously working when he
has to. And then Pamela Anderson was shunned from Hollywood
for a while, had a really terrible breakup from Tommy Lee,
and then she moved like a little island off Canada.
I think it was like renovating house and was like,
I'm not fit, Yeah, exactly. And then she did a
(17:24):
documentary about renovating her house, which was great as well.
But you know, she looks like makeup free stress.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
For she stunning, Yeah, gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think it's just interesting they're dating his trees as well.
When she touched on it, I mean, she's been married
five times and he's had his one relationship, which I guess,
you know, he's been off the grid for a while
in the dating scene and having like pam Anderson you
know Baywatch sex symbol nineties icon, and then you've got
the very stoic like I just think of Taken.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah yeah, you're like if I've given Troubleman to call
lib Yeah yeah. I like Pamela Anderson just comes across
as like an absolute hopeless romantic, which is why she's
been married so many times, Like she just wants to
find love.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And I see that, and I think it's not totally
surprised that they would get along because obviously she's very intelligent,
she's an activist. There's more behind her just being like
this sex symbol, and they.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Just look really sweet. I'm really glad that this one
has been confirmed.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm still it has been confirmed. It took me a
while to sort of get on board with it because
obviously they're starting together in the Naked Gun and that's
a huge thing where they're saying like it could be
the movie that brings back this type of comedy which
went to streaming for a while but could potentially come
back to cinemas, and so there's a lot riding on
this movie. So all these photos came out of them
at like press events, half kissing and hugging, but.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It feels like there's so much of that at the moment.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Doing that kind of like pre press for a movie dontween.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Like everyone seems to have this off screen chemistry which
is going beyond the film conveniently at the time of.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The press tours.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think the reason I believe it more is looking
at their age. I just would like to think that
by that point they're like, let's just be together.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I know, I kind of want. It's so funny. I
actually think that they're playing in to it in a
huge way. Yeah, how sometimes you feel like potentially the
cast is like they're a bit in on the joke,
but not completely. Whereas the first images that came out,
it was so clearly a publicity, so the way they
were posing on the red carpet, and then they're doing
interviews and the camera pans to them and they pretend
to hug and like pull away, so like they get
(19:28):
around the joke. But then a few interviewers have been
because they did like the morning show rounds in America
and stuff like that for the movie, and one interviewer
was like, so, you guys an item and it was
so funny because Pamela Anderson, she just looks so shocked,
and then Liam Neathan gets really he gets like a
dad voice and he's like, come on, come on, now,
come on, come on, and he's like, not even mad,
(19:48):
he's just disappointed. And then he's like he does this
roundabout thing where he's like, we've got the sense of
an idea, of a vibe that we're cultivating God, and
where it goes.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Sounds like a conversation I've had.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You're like, how do I say we're dating but not dating?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Oh my, it would be so hard to navigate that
because I think if when I'm in the early stages
of seeing someone, I'm not going to tell my parents.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No, I can imagine why they don't want to tell.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The whole world. But then they're on press. So it
was just funny. I was like, wow, lean Nesan being
disappointed in your question, it would just cut so deep.
Pamela Anderson's just laughing. She looks so shocked. But then
that same night they're kissing on a red carpet.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Surely not this question was not approved?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, exactly. You can definitely tell it was.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You can see Lens is like trying to like de
escalate the situation. It in but then gives a non
answer and basically says that, like their chemistry is amazing
and they're just seeing where it goes. And then like
to their like to Pamela, what was the best thing
about working on the movie? And she's like the script
and him, and then she kind of like runs away
on a red carpet.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Now, I don't know how I feel. I thought it
was really sweet before. I wanted to give him a
happy ending.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I know, I think maybe when the promo stuff started,
they maybe weren't dating, even though the movie was filmed
a while ago, but maybe now they are. People said
they're dating, and they had confirmed with multiple sources, and
usually people only does that if they have confirmed with
like directly with their manager.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, right from early on he had said in an
interview he's in love with her, but this was prior.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
To like any before. He'd better prior to the rumors
because he started the rumors.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, I just at the end of the day, like,
I think they're both acting a little too inns and
it's like they may be dating, but I'm like, in
terms of promo, I'm like, you guys know.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Exactly what you're doing and you've been around long enough
to know that people are going to be asking questions.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
So onto a topic that has really divided people, and
that is Sidney Sweeney's new ad campaign. So she's in
a new campaign for the clothing brand American Eagle. And
at first glance, you're like, this makes a lot of sense.
It's a blonde, beautiful young actress. She's starring in a
jeens campaign. You know that seems like a very Yeah, exactly,
(21:53):
it seems like something. You know, actresses attach their name
to brands all the time, until you actually see the
poster and you see the full commercial, listen to the dialogue,
and the problem immediately jumps out at you. I'm not
here to tell you to buy American Engle Chance, and
I definitely won't say that they're the most comfortable Chance.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I've ever woron, or that they make your butt look amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Why mightn't need to do that?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
But if you said that you want to buy the jeans,
I'm not going to stop you. But as we're clear,
this is not me telling you to buy American Egal Chance,
Sidy s Tweeny Hasbury Keens. You see what I did there.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Jeans are passed done from parents to Aspring, often determining
traits like her color, personality, and even eye color.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
My gens are blue, Sidy s Twenny Hasbury Keens.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Hearing it audio only without the visual actually makes much
more of an impact and you can see how probably
I think, yeah, yeah, I've seen the visual that goes
along with it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I think if you're not really listening, like you said,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Exactly, because when you're watching the commercial, it's like and
obviously like she's a gorgeous woman, she looks beautiful. She's
lying down, she's like buttoning up the gene, she's kind
of flexing, she's showing off the gene top. Like again,
if you're just watching it, it just looks like a
sexy ad until you hear the I've got good genes
part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, I think in today's climate, it just comes across
as super tone deaf.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, I don't think we can say it's a
new thing.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
To like glorify a white beauty standard, but just knowing
how the conversations are playing out at the moment with
privilege and race like around the world, it's just such
an interesting time to be releasing an ad like this,
like you have to think they knew what they were
doing from.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
One hundred percent for anyone who's out there, and it's like, oh,
they weren't aware. Of course they were aware, and I
think they just wanted to try and play a little
too close to the sun. So you've got two different
stances on this, and I feel like people have really
made their thoughts no one of which side of the
fence they're on. So you've got some people saying that
Sidney Sweeney as this kind of idealized white, blue eyed,
(24:07):
blonde beauty, is leaning into that idea that white genes
are superior and leading into that white supremacy thinking that
has been around well forever, but is again a huge
conversation again at the moment that has never really gone away.
And then you've got some other people saying like, this
is the end of woke advertising. It's meant to be
a joke. She's talking about genes. If you read anything
(24:29):
into it, that's on you. And these two sides of
the fence just can't meet in the middle on this idea.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Five years ago we wouldn't even be debating this because
there were way more conversations around social and racial issues
and people were less willing to forgive brands for this
kind of marketing. But it does feel like they're capitalizing
on it, Like surely they did a focus room and
they saw how outraged everyone was, and they were like, yeah,
this is the one exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's what I feel like. Again, this would have gone
through so many different hands, from like the concept to
like the mood boarding and styling to filming to someone
looking at the edit. So it's gone through so many hands,
and I think it's pretty safe to say that both
American Eagle and Sidney Sweeney's team knew exactly that it
would cause like a big reaction, but they wanted all
(25:16):
eyes on their product. They wanted to fly a little
bit close to the sun, they wanted debate, and I'm
sure they were thinking like, there's a group of people
who are going to be outraged, but we don't want
them as customers anyway. We're going for the different.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
America's population, Like when you think about who they're actually
marketing to. Of course it's on the global stage using
a talent like Sydney Sweeney, Everyone's going to see it,
but their core audience and demographic is in America, and
there are lots of parts of America that would buy
into that, and it's just us from the outside looking in,
and we can see that much more clearly. It's also
(25:47):
interesting just as a brand American Eagle is targeted towards
young teens, so there's also alongside the.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Race, it's just overly sexualizing.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
The genes as well at the same time, which seems
to be another move. Sydney Sweeney keeps finding herself in.
I know, she had that soap commercial that went live
which she was canceled for very brief flee. I think
that one was swept under the rug quite quickly. I
think she was asking little boys if they wanted to
use see her body, yeash.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And yeah, you could buy the bathwater and everything. See.
But the thing is, I think like Sidney Sweeney thrives
of this kind of like controversial, a little bit out
of the box. She's almost like a stunt person that
you bring into attached to your brand. So her and
her team feel so happy to kind of playing that space.
And I think it's because she knows to an extent,
like so far she's been so untouchable, like she can
(26:41):
attach herself to these really overly sexualized campaigns, and you
can just tell that she loves the drama because I
think at the end of the day, she's a businesswoman
and she sees dollars coming in the door. And previously
she's been in the middle of these big social media
pylons and backlash and she just either doesn't comment on
it and knowing it'll go away because her next project
will come out, or she addresses it and basically says,
(27:03):
I'm in the right. You guys are wrong. This is ridiculous.
Did you see that thing a few years ago about
her mum's sixtieth birthday party.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yes, and they had hats that had a quote on
it which was like reminiscent of making America great Again.
They also had t shirts which said blue Lives Matter.
So when those photos emerged, there was obviously a lot
of commentary and backlash around you know, what her political
stance may be and what she's platforming. But it was
(27:29):
interesting because at the time I think she shut that
down pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
There was an apology.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
She said, you know, the party wasn't about anything political.
But it's hard to see that distinction because it clearly indicates.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You know, what your stance may.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Be, yeah, exactly, So like her mum's sixtieth, they said
make sixty great again, and then Blue Lives Matter, which
the context of that seems like a joke, but it's
also a bit of a whole slur of like taking
the idea of the Black Lives Matter movement and being like, well,
this is ridiculous. Yeah, is the kind of context that
I've seen pop up the most. So those photos came out,
everyone was like, Sidney twenty, this is so dangerous, Like,
(28:03):
we know it's a joke, but you're aligning yourself with
this very dangerous group of people in this rhetoric that
only white people will matter, and then people who have
a different lifestyle at any kind of sense should be
like kind of pushed aside, left out, targeted. Well, she
put out several statements and they were very angry of her,
saying like, how dare you kind of like take my
mother's birthday celebration and make it into something it's not.
(28:26):
We're just having fun. Can't anyone have fun anymore? Was
basically the gist of it. At the end, She's like
had and happy birthday mom. Three explaination monks, which is fine,
I'm sure her Mum's like, please don't bring me into this.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
She's like, leave me out. Why do you post those photos?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That was a moment in time, but it blew over
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I think something like that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, like I said before, if it had happened
maybe like five or ten years ago, it doesn't feel
like something that would be swept under the rug so quickly.
But there is definitely two camps at the moment, and
there's one side that's telling everyone to just get over it,
bove on.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
It's not that deep. It's just a joke.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But usually those same people are not the people affected
by it.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, exactly. I feel like American Eagle knew exactly what
they were doing in terms of who they would bring
in as their customer, and they're also probably doing a
temperature check on America at the moment, which is their
core base for this ad, and thinking we're aligning ourselves.
And this is so horrifying to say, aligning ourselves with
the majority, because now the White House has weighed in
this particular ad. So Donald Trump, who is the President
(29:27):
of the United States again, his official spokesperson has come
out and said, basically, the ad is great. This is like,
you know, woke culture people getting upset. It's ridiculous. So,
like you've got the White House, the most powerful force
in the country, endorsing the ad and then I don't
know if you mean this is.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That shows the move behind it though, because in what
world are politicians commenting on ad campaigns?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
That would just not usually happen exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think it was brought up when they were doing
an address to the press because so many people want
the ad taken down, which again fair enough, and who
are signing petitions and they're calling on like their leaders
to step in for an AD that a lot of
people see is very dangerous because I mean, I don't
want to speak for Sydney Sweeting. I know nothing about
that woman, but I'm going to go in a limit
say that she wasn't hoping to sort of be the
face of white namasy, but like she's playing in that water.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
She has a publicist that has run her through the
pros and becomes for sure, and it's kind of disappointing
to say that despite knowing that she's willing to put
herself forward for the campaign. So yeah, I think it
is dangerous waters to be playing in the Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, exactly, Like even if she's like didn't want to
completely align herself with that specific message, she's aligned herself
in that conversation and picked aside. But I want to
for her on her team. Again. They did a temperature
check of like, well, the White House is on our side,
the or politicians are on our side. It seems like
the voting American public is on our side. There's all
these She's just terrifying.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
It is like, it's terrifying stay over there in America exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That's all I think that everyone who's like, it's just
a jeans at it's a joke, I'm like, well, if
you're like scrolling through a news site, or even you're
scrolling through TikTok, which I know people use for news.
Now you see the Sydney Sweeney ad, the sexy ad
of like, you know, white jeans and my jeans and
all this sort of stuf. And then the next ad
is about all of those whites only communities, like that
big one in Arkansas where people are literally building a
(31:17):
private city that only white stay not on everything people
are allowed to be in. And you're like, it's kind
of not a joke when you look over to like
the repercussions of the real world.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, I think it's just a reflection of what's happening
in wider society and knowing how tailored our algorithms are
that when that content hits the feed of the right person,
it's just building this it's building quite a strong stance,
and it's something that's been going on for a while.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So seeing it.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Through this ad, yeah, it's really scary. And American Eagle
stocks have jumped.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Off the back of this, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I'm sure that at the end of the day,
it's all of a money decision. For one thing, a
lot of people want to dress like Sidney Sweeney. She's
an eat girl. She's got all these huge projects coming out,
she looks gorgeous, and a lot of people would just
be seeing the actual physical genes on her and being like,
I want to wear those, even though she's like they're
not comfortable, and I was like that should be a
deterren but like, you want to look like Sidney Sweeney,
(32:13):
or they're wanting to align themselves with this like edgy brand,
who they feel is like pushing aside woke culture. So
it's that's a scary thing, right, Like they're gonna make
money from this.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I always sort of like American Eagle is like quite naff.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I wonder if they come back, Yeah, I want to
come back, Yeah exactly, Yeah, what is whatever this is? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I wonder if that is that idea that they know
that their regular customers will still buy from them, They
know that some people won't even be aware this conversation
is going on, and it'll be in the periphery and
they'll still shop from them, and then they'll also pull
in this extra group of people who want to align
themselves with their message. So there's a scary thing at
the end of the day, Like they're going to make
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And it'll be interesting to see what happens for Sydney next,
Like is she going to keep going down this path?
It just feels like, yes, every year there's a new
ad that's being semi canceled and then we all just
get over it and move on.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I wonder what that means for the.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Rest of the advertising industry, and like what we're going
to see marketed now that we're seeing brands tap into
political parties.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, Look, it's a scary world don't want
to live in. I'm like, just go back to selling
your bath water like that. At least that's nice for
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to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
By I'm Tina provis.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
If you watch Love Alan Australia, you may recognize me,
or you might not because I'm fully clothed today.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I mean, or is she watched the YouTube? I don't
know if you're listening. So coming up on the show today,
you've come on a good day because we have a
lot to chat about. We've got a whole bunch of
unexpected celebrity couples that have been in the news. We're
going to go through those and sort fact from fiction.
Also Sidney Sweeney's controversial new ad, We're going to dive
into that. But first, you and I didn't see each
(01:00):
other last night, but we were both at the same
very fun event.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yes, we were at Prime book Club, very exciting. The
cast of the Summer Return Pretty and.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's author were there as well as.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Mercedes Ron, who is the author of the Coppabul's trilogy.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So it was a very exciting night.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I haven't actually watched the series that's based on her books,
but I was watching all the teasers on the screen
before she came out, and I was like, sorry, isn't
it about sexy step siblings hooking up? I feel like
I need to watch that.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, you need to watch. I also love that there
was a question around whether it was taboo or not.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
She's like, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
She took Yeah. I love to answer that. She's like, no,
they're not related. Case closed, and I was like, SIV, yeah,
and I was like, it's true, they're not related. We
all draw a line in this end. So yes, we
had Jenny Hahn, who's the author of the Summer I
Turned Pretty Books or many other books, but those in particular.
She's also the showrunner and creator of the series. Like
that woman is so multi talented.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So impressive.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think it's really interesting as well to see that
she dips her toes into both formats of writing, and
I think that's why the series has been so successful,
because the characters have such strong voices that she's created
for them.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah. I love when the author gets to actually control
the show because then it's their vision. Coming through. So
we also had Lola Tongue who plays Belly, and Rain Spencer,
who plays Taylor in the series. So they were doing
press the day before you interviewed them, right, Yeah, how
was that? Oh my god, some real life you can
tell us.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They are so lovely.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I felt like when I was interviewing Rain Spencer and
Lula Tongue that I was talking to their characters, because
you've got Lola like so sweet, very like Belly esque,
you know, like airy lovely, and then Rain is kind
of sassy, yeah, and like has that like really like quick,
witty sense of humor, which kind of felt reminiscent of
their characters.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I was feeling very starstruck.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
They are exactly the same person as their characters in
a way. I guess that's a casting, especially if you're
casting like young actors and their first big breakout roles,
to get someone who's kind of similar to the people
they're playing. If anyone hasn't watched the Summer of Turn Pretty,
we're not going to do spoilers, but we're in the
third and final season now, we're four episodes in and
it's about Lola Tongue's character Belly, who turns hot one summer. Really,
(03:04):
I know, summer in turn pretty. I'm still waiting. I
know everyone makes that joke, but I was like, when will
that happen? And then she goes to the house in
the first season where these like two families spend every
summer together and there's these two brothers, Conrad and Jeremiah,
and it's a love triangle.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Between It's very heated, and the fans are really dedicated
to the course, as I can speak on behalf of
the fans.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Did you see that warning they put out before this
season started, Like the studio behind the show put out
of warning saying, guys, we know you're a really passionate
team Conrad or Team Jeremiah, but let's keep it nice,
let's keep it civil, let's not bully actors or people online.
And a lot of people did not take that to heart.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It gets heated, and I feel like I have very
strong opinion. I don't think there's really any contest. I'm
a very team comrade.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh your team okay, what no, no? I do you
have this? So at the Prime Video book Club event
last night, so we like walked in and there was
like the stage we watched the actors and Jenny Hahn
and authors and stuff come up on stage and do
their speeches and everything. And then did you upstairs to
the installation? Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, it's a little hot lap around there.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yep, all the little kind of photo moments and everything.
And it's so funny because I had all these like
they had all these little things that up to look
like you're in Cousin's Beach and all that sort of stuff.
But there was this big rack of flowers on the way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So the top row was red flowers for team Conrad,
the middle section was sunflowers I think it was for
Team Jeremiah, and then the bottom was the high drangers
for team Belly. And the idea was like, you took
(04:30):
a flower to symbolize the team you're.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
On, Billy chooses herself, I'm going to be angry. Let's
just get that straight.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Only they're not going to do that. Which which flower
did you pick?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So funny story.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I actually went in hot and I didn't realize I
thought I was going in strongly for Conrad.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So I picked up a sunflower.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And then the girl who was manning the flowers just
like wait, she Hadmiah as if she knew my time,
she knew I'd picked wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
There was fear in my eyes. I have a recording
of the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I was like, I wanted you throw the flower back.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, I put that flower back.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That was because we went like towards the end of
the night and then I saw like most of the
Conrad flowers picked clean gone, the belly flowers half gone,
the Jeremiah flowers in the middle untouched. I don't think
anyone took a Jeremiah flower survey. Okay, so here's something
I'll only say in this room. So your team Conrad,
what are you about to say?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
This is a hot take.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Something I'm only going to say in this room because
I g got crucified if I step outside into the office.
So up until now, I sort of haven't had strong
feelings Team Conrad or Team Jeremiah. A lot of faults,
but if you had to ask me, it would be
Team Conrad all the way until I left the event
last night and I went home and watched the new
episode that came.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I haven't done episode Okay, no spoilers, but it's my watchwork, and.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I kind of think maybe I did Jeremiah. Now, just
from that one episode.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's how you know Jenni Hahn is a god because
they're conflicted.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I know, I know. I feel like I'll get like
stoned in the streets if I say that loud, because
people hate him, I will leaves for the rest of
the episode.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
In this episode, he was very charming, he was very adult.
Conrad was coming across is very light.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I don't know, he's petty, but I kind of like a.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Sad, sad boy thing going on, which is kind of
Sometimes we do love the eggs, we do, and sometimes
Jeremiah does feel like a little pixie lepricorn boy, like
he doesn't feel like.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
A It's very highlight love triangle.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, Edward Cullen and Jacob because were you team Edward
or team Jacob?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Team Jacob? No? No, I actually, up until the moment
when I was first reading the books, they like, pull
you out, nice man, something about a nice, hot younger man.
I don't know. I guess both of them are the
younger ones. When I was reading the Twilight books, I
just was getting so angry at Edward the whole way through.
This is because I read them as like a young adult,
Like I think I was like I was nineteen or something,
(06:51):
my child. Yeah exactly. So I think you're supposed to
love Edward when you're like a young teen or a tween.
And yeah, I still don't know better exactly. I don't know.
I would still date a sad man, yeah, I'll take
yeah exactly. So I feel like, I don't know. I
feel like every generation has like their big love triangle story.
And even though like stats say that mostly like teen
(07:13):
shows are watched by adults, Yes, that is.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Something that I've been looking at over the past week,
which has really led me to feel validated. You know,
as a nearly thirty year old woman, I can watch
the Summer returnavity and not.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Feel guilty about it.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But it does have that like very like nostalgic feeling,
and it's something you can all relate to.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean, I don't know if I've had two help
brothers chasing.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Us, but loose enter price rooms on instain Socials, who
was hosting event last night, did like a quick poll
of the audience, so she's like, has anyone been in
love with two brothers? And it was just like silence. Yeah,
so like either it doesn't happen or no one wants to.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
We want it to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So okay, well I might look, I might change Team
Conrad or Team Jeremiah before the end of the season.
We still have many epps to go. So it's on
Prime Video. If you haven't watched it, highly recommend for
our Sexy eighteen Summer romance.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
If you even watched it yet, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, let's jump in to unpack the unexpected celebrity couples
that have been popping up and definitely were not on
my twenty twenty five bingo card. It's definitely left fans
feeling equal parts confused and invested. First up, we can
kick off with the speculations between Austin Butler and Zoey Kravitz. Now,
(08:23):
it's definitely unexpected, but it's not totally unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm like two young hot people like I see that
for them.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, hot people are drawn to each other, and I
love that for them. And I guess they're coming off
the back of Zoe Kravitz ending her engagement to Channing
Tam and then Austin Butler breaking up with Kaya Goerber
after they've been together for many years. I'm gonna say,
this is what I'm kind of on the fence a
little bit about, because the photos of them kissing where
they're like really going down and kissing, are them filming
their scene?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It looks like it's on set.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it's on the set. They're just filming out the
streets of New York. It's their new movie Court Stealing.
So I saw that and I was like, well, that's
a set photo. But then it's the photos when they
went to a play and they're standing kind of in
the lobby, and I think people are just kind of
filming them very covertly so you can't really see where.
It looks like they're kind of there's no other word
for it. It looks like they're can noodling noodle. But there's
other people from the set. They're like the directors there
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and the car, So like, was it just like a group?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And I can imagine you become really close when you
are in that setting where your job is to ca
noodle on a daily basis, so you would naturally have
that like chemistry with each other. I'm not one hundred
percent convinced that there are a couple, but I wouldn't
be surprised if there'd been like a casual like the
cup in between.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I feel like Zoe Kravitz sometimes loves just a dumb
guy though, and I feel like Austin Butler doesn't come
across as dumb. He comes across as like overly pretentious
and artsy, but then she likes the guy that as well.
I don't know. I feel like she's maybe she's an
equal opportunitist just to date whoever it comes along.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I mean, so fair of her. If Austin Butler came along,
I wouldn't be opposed. I also love for her that
the roomors kind of have come up because I know
Channing Tatum recently like has been spotted with his new
partners twenty five year old model Australian model.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Actually yeah, good on her, no shade to her. But
of course, like this man who's like he's like nearly
fifty is dating a twenty five that's.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Surprised us in new ways. Yeah, exactly, it's overdone.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So they haven't so zoeing and Austin haven't said anything
about the dating, but like there's been all these like
little plants of like sources say they're just friends. So
I wonder if that close. Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
The sources say it's not serious. They might well as
it casual. Give us more details. You're going to be
a source.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I'm sure they're Yeah, exactly. I'm sure there's loving like
a bit of extra promo for the movie totally. So.
The other more unexpected couple that I feel like no
one saw coming is Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Oh my god, I feel like Katy Perry is having
her comeback this She's been a busy year for Katie Perry.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
This year.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She was in space.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Now she's seen with a former prime minister. Like, what
is next for our girl, Katie?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, exactly. So she was with Orlando Bloom for close
to ten years. They're engaged. They have a little girl
called Daisy Dove Bloom, which I don't know the baby names.
I'm quite into that one. And they did release a
statement saying that they were splitting up the co parenting.
She's talked about the breakup on stage a little bit,
but haven't really gone into detail of what happened between
her and Orlando. And then these photos came out in
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Montreal of her and Justin Trudeau and they're on TMZ
and so they're obviously taken without consent, so it's not great.
But skirting past that, it's like they're in this restaurant
there in this kind of private area, and it's almost
looked like the way someone's taken the photos they're filming,
like the glass ceiling above where you can see the
reflection of what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Apparently they are school friends, so they have, right, they
have a little bit of history. Yeah, I think, but
if you said someone's name that I went to school with,
I would remember.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So you know how the school friends connection.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they do, unless I've just like
started a roomarks Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, well I mean they might. Yeah, they must have.
So I know they kind of move in some similar
circles in terms of just like being rich, powerful people.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, she's been in space, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Actually, there's a group chat for that. So it's got
to the stage where their night out, their date night
has been tracked really intently. So Entertainment Tonight actually did
like a full like map and a tracking and like
they went to each venue and got like different notes
on what they had done and said I love that.
I mean people say journalism is dead, And to that,
I say, just look at this girl.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Look at the fact.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So they had a two hour dinner that was their
first stop, and they ate. So they contacted the restaurant
to get information exactly what they ate. So they had tuna,
which for a date is.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It like a like sashimi tuna.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I believe they didn't get those details. And maybe journal
she like a.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Raw tuna's date food because it's very delicate, you can
pick at it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
True, I would trink a tuna.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I was more thinking that. Yeah, maybe I was maybe
thinking to smell, but maybe it's a very fancy restaurant.
Then they had beef, tatar, lobster, and pasta. And the
person who they talked to at the restaurant, who maybe
didn't know that their comments were on the record and
going viral, was really strict of saying there was no
PD eight, no PD eight, or it was a PDA
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free dinner.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Sounds like they do know. Yeah, it sounds like they
were brief to say that, but I did.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Also, they were sitting at in like an open plan thing,
and maybe if they were having a romantic dinner, they
were just very aware that if they wanted to kiss
and hold hair.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
That wasn't and there is dinner. Yeah, I don't know
how much cannudling you can do.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It, that's true. Well, they moved on to their second location,
which was a nightcap, so they ended the night with
a cocktail on the terrace of this kind of fans
and apparently Katie had a Canadian whiskey. I like it journalism.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh my god, the detail.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Now, I think this is entering date territory. Yes, going
from dinner to like drink. It sounds like you start
with the dinner because you don't know whether you want
to continue on for the drink, and if the date
goes well, then you go through your Canadian whiskey exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, if you think that sounds like a date strip
in for this next part because the next part also
who's following them? Of all the timeline wrong. They did
this first. The first time they were spotted was on
a walk in the park, so it was Justin Katie
on the same day. Yeah, on the same day this
so obviously the walk went really well. So then they
went to dinner, then they went to the nightcap, then
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they disappeared. But so Justin and Katie went on a
walk with her dog, Nugget. I would love I love
thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I want one dog called Chicken and one dog called Nugget.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It would be really cute. And that to Katie Perry
like she'd love that. She loved that. Yet Nugget went
on a nineteen minute walk through the Mount Royal Park.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Okay, Nugget, it's a long walk for a little nugget.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I I'd love to hear what Nugget thought, because I
would have heard their whole conversation. And is really our
only reliable witness.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, we need a situation that's so interesting. This gives
now I don't know if this is a first date.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, I don't know if she's getting ready after the
was there an intermission?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, again, they haven't provided those facts. Well, but I'm
thinking so the walks during the day, so maybe it
was just a casual like let's meet up for a walk.
They walk for nineteen minutes, which is quite a long
time to be having like a first kind of date conversation.
I also think a walk is like quite a good
first date thing. I love a walk and a drink.
I feel like a dinner sometimes yes, too.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Much for a Yes, I think a walk and then
you can have like an afternoon drink somewhere is quite nice.
Sometimes I do like dinner because I'm quick to judge,
But if I'm at dinner, I can't.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, exactly, at least on a walk, you can kind
of peter off and you're like, kind of there's movement
just going to.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The bathroom, you run away, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You can just like so they did a walk, a drink,
a dinner, and then they went out of sight then
they couldn't track them. I feel like that sounds like
a full date day.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
This is a date.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
We can climate.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I feel like it's a real couple. Then I was
kind of on the fence, but now I feel maybe I.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Think, in what world would they be hanging out as
friends doing these date like activities.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So I definitely think it's date territory.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And he's not that fresh off like his divorce with
his wife as well.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah it's only a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
She would maybe they're bonding, maybe they're rebounding together exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And I've seen people comment and say, like, oh my god,
Katy Perry's just broke up with Orlando and she's jumping
into a new relationship. I'm like, guys, you think they
broke up on the day and then we found out, Yes,
Like I feel like they've been broken up for many months,
and then they released the statement.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Totally I think. I think we're the last to get
the news anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So I hope those guys have a lovely next date
and I look forward to nuggets. Tell all, I look
forward to the time and then our other unexpected couple, Guys,
things come in threes. Is Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I never thought their social spheres would touch, like they
just feel like two complete opposites. But I'm invested in
this one. I think it's so sweet. I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I feel like a couple of years ago, they would
have made more sense because they were both like big
Hollywood actors. They both kind of seemed to run the
same circles. But Liam Neesan, he talks like kind of
being out of Hollywood and off the grid, especially since
his late wife, Natasha Richardson so tragically died. I know,
I feel like his kids with her say they watched
the parent Trap when they missed their mom because oh
my god, it's a character that was most close to
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her real personality.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I think of her. I love that movie so much.
I just imagined she would be very close to that
in real life. That's so sweet that her kids watched
that night.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Cute. So she Yeah, she died after a very tragic
skiing accident. So he sort of talked about retreating from Hollywood,
being for his kids and then obviously working when he
has to. And then Pamela Anderson was shunned from Hollywood
for a while, had a really terrible breakup from Tommy Lee,
and then she moved like a little island off Canada.
I think it was like renovating house and was like,
I'm not fit, Yeah, exactly. And then she did a
(17:24):
documentary about renovating her house, which was great as well.
But you know, she looks like makeup free stress.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
For she stunning, Yeah, gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think it's just interesting they're dating his trees as well.
When she touched on it, I mean, she's been married
five times and he's had his one relationship, which I guess,
you know, he's been off the grid for a while
in the dating scene and having like pam Anderson you
know Baywatch sex symbol nineties icon, and then you've got
the very stoic like I just think of Taken.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah yeah, you're like if I've given Troubleman to call
lib Yeah yeah. I like Pamela Anderson just comes across
as like an absolute hopeless romantic, which is why she's
been married so many times, Like she just wants to
find love.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And I see that, and I think it's not totally
surprised that they would get along because obviously she's very intelligent,
she's an activist. There's more behind her just being like
this sex symbol, and they.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Just look really sweet. I'm really glad that this one
has been confirmed.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm still it has been confirmed. It took me a
while to sort of get on board with it because
obviously they're starting together in the Naked Gun and that's
a huge thing where they're saying like it could be
the movie that brings back this type of comedy which
went to streaming for a while but could potentially come
back to cinemas, and so there's a lot riding on
this movie. So all these photos came out of them
at like press events, half kissing and hugging, but.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It feels like there's so much of that at the moment.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Doing that kind of like pre press for a movie dontween.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Like everyone seems to have this off screen chemistry which
is going beyond the film conveniently at the time of.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The press tours.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think the reason I believe it more is looking
at their age. I just would like to think that
by that point they're like, let's just be together.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I know, I kind of want. It's so funny. I
actually think that they're playing in to it in a
huge way. Yeah, how sometimes you feel like potentially the
cast is like they're a bit in on the joke,
but not completely. Whereas the first images that came out,
it was so clearly a publicity, so the way they
were posing on the red carpet, and then they're doing
interviews and the camera pans to them and they pretend
to hug and like pull away, so like they get
(19:28):
around the joke. But then a few interviewers have been
because they did like the morning show rounds in America
and stuff like that for the movie, and one interviewer
was like, so, you guys an item and it was
so funny because Pamela Anderson, she just looks so shocked,
and then Liam Neathan gets really he gets like a
dad voice and he's like, come on, come on, now,
come on, come on, and he's like, not even mad,
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he's just disappointed. And then he's like he does this
roundabout thing where he's like, we've got the sense of
an idea, of a vibe that we're cultivating God, and
where it goes.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Sounds like a conversation I've had.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You're like, how do I say we're dating but not dating?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Oh my, it would be so hard to navigate that
because I think if when I'm in the early stages
of seeing someone, I'm not going to tell my parents.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No, I can imagine why they don't want to tell.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The whole world. But then they're on press. So it
was just funny. I was like, wow, lean Nesan being
disappointed in your question, it would just cut so deep.
Pamela Anderson's just laughing. She looks so shocked. But then
that same night they're kissing on a red carpet.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Surely not this question was not approved?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, exactly. You can definitely tell it was.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You can see Lens is like trying to like de
escalate the situation. It in but then gives a non
answer and basically says that, like their chemistry is amazing
and they're just seeing where it goes. And then like
to their like to Pamela, what was the best thing
about working on the movie? And she's like the script
and him, and then she kind of like runs away
on a red carpet.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Now, I don't know how I feel. I thought it
was really sweet before. I wanted to give him a
happy ending.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I know, I think maybe when the promo stuff started,
they maybe weren't dating, even though the movie was filmed
a while ago, but maybe now they are. People said
they're dating, and they had confirmed with multiple sources, and
usually people only does that if they have confirmed with
like directly with their manager.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, right from early on he had said in an
interview he's in love with her, but this was prior.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
To like any before. He'd better prior to the rumors
because he started the rumors.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, I just at the end of the day, like,
I think they're both acting a little too inns and
it's like they may be dating, but I'm like, in
terms of promo, I'm like, you guys know.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Exactly what you're doing and you've been around long enough
to know that people are going to be asking questions.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
So onto a topic that has really divided people, and
that is Sidney Sweeney's new ad campaign. So she's in
a new campaign for the clothing brand American Eagle. And
at first glance, you're like, this makes a lot of sense.
It's a blonde, beautiful young actress. She's starring in a
jeens campaign. You know that seems like a very Yeah, exactly,
(21:53):
it seems like something. You know, actresses attach their name
to brands all the time, until you actually see the
poster and you see the full commercial, listen to the dialogue,
and the problem immediately jumps out at you. I'm not
here to tell you to buy American Engle Chance, and
I definitely won't say that they're the most comfortable Chance.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I've ever woron, or that they make your butt look amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Why mightn't need to do that?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
But if you said that you want to buy the jeans,
I'm not going to stop you. But as we're clear,
this is not me telling you to buy American Egal Chance,
Sidy s Tweeny Hasbury Keens. You see what I did there.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Jeans are passed done from parents to Aspring, often determining
traits like her color, personality, and even eye color.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
My gens are blue, Sidy s Twenny Hasbury Keens.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Hearing it audio only without the visual actually makes much
more of an impact and you can see how probably
I think, yeah, yeah, I've seen the visual that goes
along with it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I think if you're not really listening, like you said,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Exactly, because when you're watching the commercial, it's like and
obviously like she's a gorgeous woman, she looks beautiful. She's
lying down, she's like buttoning up the gene, she's kind
of flexing, she's showing off the gene top. Like again,
if you're just watching it, it just looks like a
sexy ad until you hear the I've got good genes
part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, I think in today's climate, it just comes across
as super tone deaf.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, I don't think we can say it's a
new thing.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
To like glorify a white beauty standard, but just knowing
how the conversations are playing out at the moment with
privilege and race like around the world, it's just such
an interesting time to be releasing an ad like this,
like you have to think they knew what they were
doing from.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
One hundred percent for anyone who's out there, and it's like, oh,
they weren't aware. Of course they were aware, and I
think they just wanted to try and play a little
too close to the sun. So you've got two different
stances on this, and I feel like people have really
made their thoughts no one of which side of the
fence they're on. So you've got some people saying that
Sidney Sweeney as this kind of idealized white, blue eyed,
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blonde beauty, is leaning into that idea that white genes
are superior and leading into that white supremacy thinking that
has been around well forever, but is again a huge
conversation again at the moment that has never really gone away.
And then you've got some other people saying like, this
is the end of woke advertising. It's meant to be
a joke. She's talking about genes. If you read anything
(24:29):
into it, that's on you. And these two sides of
the fence just can't meet in the middle on this idea.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Five years ago we wouldn't even be debating this because
there were way more conversations around social and racial issues
and people were less willing to forgive brands for this
kind of marketing. But it does feel like they're capitalizing
on it, Like surely they did a focus room and
they saw how outraged everyone was, and they were like, yeah,
this is the one exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's what I feel like. Again, this would have gone
through so many different hands, from like the concept to
like the mood boarding and styling to filming to someone
looking at the edit. So it's gone through so many hands,
and I think it's pretty safe to say that both
American Eagle and Sidney Sweeney's team knew exactly that it
would cause like a big reaction, but they wanted all
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eyes on their product. They wanted to fly a little
bit close to the sun, they wanted debate, and I'm
sure they were thinking like, there's a group of people
who are going to be outraged, but we don't want
them as customers anyway. We're going for the different.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
America's population, Like when you think about who they're actually
marketing to. Of course it's on the global stage using
a talent like Sydney Sweeney, Everyone's going to see it,
but their core audience and demographic is in America, and
there are lots of parts of America that would buy
into that, and it's just us from the outside looking in,
and we can see that much more clearly. It's also
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interesting just as a brand American Eagle is targeted towards
young teens, so there's also alongside the.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Race, it's just overly sexualizing.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
The genes as well at the same time, which seems
to be another move. Sydney Sweeney keeps finding herself in.
I know, she had that soap commercial that went live
which she was canceled for very brief flee. I think
that one was swept under the rug quite quickly. I
think she was asking little boys if they wanted to
use see her body, yeash.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And yeah, you could buy the bathwater and everything. See.
But the thing is, I think like Sidney Sweeney thrives
of this kind of like controversial, a little bit out
of the box. She's almost like a stunt person that
you bring into attached to your brand. So her and
her team feel so happy to kind of playing that space.
And I think it's because she knows to an extent,
like so far she's been so untouchable, like she can
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attach herself to these really overly sexualized campaigns, and you
can just tell that she loves the drama because I
think at the end of the day, she's a businesswoman
and she sees dollars coming in the door. And previously
she's been in the middle of these big social media
pylons and backlash and she just either doesn't comment on
it and knowing it'll go away because her next project
will come out, or she addresses it and basically says,
(27:03):
I'm in the right. You guys are wrong. This is ridiculous.
Did you see that thing a few years ago about
her mum's sixtieth birthday party.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yes, and they had hats that had a quote on
it which was like reminiscent of making America great Again.
They also had t shirts which said blue Lives Matter.
So when those photos emerged, there was obviously a lot
of commentary and backlash around you know, what her political
stance may be and what she's platforming. But it was
(27:29):
interesting because at the time I think she shut that
down pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
There was an apology.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
She said, you know, the party wasn't about anything political.
But it's hard to see that distinction because it clearly indicates.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You know, what your stance may.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Be, yeah, exactly, So like her mum's sixtieth, they said
make sixty great again, and then Blue Lives Matter, which
the context of that seems like a joke, but it's
also a bit of a whole slur of like taking
the idea of the Black Lives Matter movement and being like, well,
this is ridiculous. Yeah, is the kind of context that
I've seen pop up the most. So those photos came out,
everyone was like, Sidney twenty, this is so dangerous, Like,
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we know it's a joke, but you're aligning yourself with
this very dangerous group of people in this rhetoric that
only white people will matter, and then people who have
a different lifestyle at any kind of sense should be
like kind of pushed aside, left out, targeted. Well, she
put out several statements and they were very angry of her,
saying like, how dare you kind of like take my
mother's birthday celebration and make it into something it's not.
(28:26):
We're just having fun. Can't anyone have fun anymore? Was
basically the gist of it. At the end, She's like
had and happy birthday mom. Three explaination monks, which is fine,
I'm sure her Mum's like, please don't bring me into this.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
She's like, leave me out. Why do you post those photos?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That was a moment in time, but it blew over
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I think something like that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, like I said before, if it had happened
maybe like five or ten years ago, it doesn't feel
like something that would be swept under the rug so quickly.
But there is definitely two camps at the moment, and
there's one side that's telling everyone to just get over it,
bove on.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
It's not that deep. It's just a joke.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But usually those same people are not the people affected
by it.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, exactly. I feel like American Eagle knew exactly what
they were doing in terms of who they would bring
in as their customer, and they're also probably doing a
temperature check on America at the moment, which is their
core base for this ad, and thinking we're aligning ourselves.
And this is so horrifying to say, aligning ourselves with
the majority, because now the White House has weighed in
this particular ad. So Donald Trump, who is the President
(29:27):
of the United States again, his official spokesperson has come
out and said, basically, the ad is great. This is like,
you know, woke culture people getting upset. It's ridiculous. So,
like you've got the White House, the most powerful force
in the country, endorsing the ad and then I don't
know if you mean this is.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That shows the move behind it though, because in what
world are politicians commenting on ad campaigns?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
That would just not usually happen exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think it was brought up when they were doing
an address to the press because so many people want
the ad taken down, which again fair enough, and who
are signing petitions and they're calling on like their leaders
to step in for an AD that a lot of
people see is very dangerous because I mean, I don't
want to speak for Sydney Sweeting. I know nothing about
that woman, but I'm going to go in a limit
say that she wasn't hoping to sort of be the
face of white namasy, but like she's playing in that water.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
She has a publicist that has run her through the
pros and becomes for sure, and it's kind of disappointing
to say that despite knowing that she's willing to put
herself forward for the campaign. So yeah, I think it
is dangerous waters to be playing in the Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, exactly, Like even if she's like didn't want to
completely align herself with that specific message, she's aligned herself
in that conversation and picked aside. But I want to
for her on her team. Again. They did a temperature
check of like, well, the White House is on our side,
the or politicians are on our side. It seems like
the voting American public is on our side. There's all
these She's just terrifying.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
It is like, it's terrifying stay over there in America exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That's all I think that everyone who's like, it's just
a jeans at it's a joke, I'm like, well, if
you're like scrolling through a news site, or even you're
scrolling through TikTok, which I know people use for news.
Now you see the Sydney Sweeney ad, the sexy ad
of like, you know, white jeans and my jeans and
all this sort of stuf. And then the next ad
is about all of those whites only communities, like that
big one in Arkansas where people are literally building a
(31:17):
private city that only white stay not on everything people
are allowed to be in. And you're like, it's kind
of not a joke when you look over to like
the repercussions of the real world.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, I think it's just a reflection of what's happening
in wider society and knowing how tailored our algorithms are
that when that content hits the feed of the right person,
it's just building this it's building quite a strong stance,
and it's something that's been going on for a while.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So seeing it.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Through this ad, yeah, it's really scary. And American Eagle
stocks have jumped.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Off the back of this, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I'm sure that at the end of the day,
it's all of a money decision. For one thing, a
lot of people want to dress like Sidney Sweeney. She's
an eat girl. She's got all these huge projects coming out,
she looks gorgeous, and a lot of people would just
be seeing the actual physical genes on her and being like,
I want to wear those, even though she's like they're
not comfortable, and I was like that should be a
deterren but like, you want to look like Sidney Sweeney,
(32:13):
or they're wanting to align themselves with this like edgy brand,
who they feel is like pushing aside woke culture. So
it's that's a scary thing, right, Like they're gonna make
money from this.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I always sort of like American Eagle is like quite naff.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I wonder if they come back, Yeah, I want to
come back, Yeah exactly, Yeah, what is whatever this is? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I wonder if that is that idea that they know
that their regular customers will still buy from them, They
know that some people won't even be aware this conversation
is going on, and it'll be in the periphery and
they'll still shop from them, and then they'll also pull
in this extra group of people who want to align
themselves with their message. So there's a scary thing at
the end of the day, Like they're going to make
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And it'll be interesting to see what happens for Sydney next,
Like is she going to keep going down this path?
It just feels like, yes, every year there's a new
ad that's being semi canceled and then we all just
get over it and move on.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I wonder what that means for the.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Rest of the advertising industry, and like what we're going
to see marketed now that we're seeing brands tap into
political parties.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, Look, it's a scary world don't want
to live in. I'm like, just go back to selling
your bath water like that. At least that's nice for
all of us. Well, thank you so much for listening
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